IRC log for #koha, 2012-03-05

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02:10 Space_Librarian hey all, I'd like to introduce one of my awesome staff to the channel - miltsNZ is going to set the library world on fire one of these days. So it's good to have him online. :)
02:10 rangi :)
02:11 rangi hi miltsNZ
02:11 miltsNZ hah cheers for the overstated intro :)
02:11 jcamins_away Welcome to #koha, miltsNZ.
02:12 Space_Librarian not by much. :p
02:19 miltsNZ I'm actually just having my first real play in the Koha MARC frameworks and was curious about something I couldn't find documentation...
02:19 miltsNZ does anyone know if it's possible to set up a framework which will autopopulate certain fields with some pre-set information every time you create a record using that framework?
02:20 rangi using plugins yep, but you'd have to write the plugins
02:20 miltsNZ e.g. creating a framework for course papers, and wanting a specific entry in the 540 field to be added automatically
02:20 miltsNZ ah cheers
02:20 miltsNZ a little beyond my purview atm
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02:26 druthb o/
02:37 bag hi druthb
02:40 druthb hi, bag!
02:41 druthb how's the BEST BOSS EVAR doing tonight?
02:49 druthb wahanui: bag?
02:49 wahanui I LIKE BASEBALL
02:49 * druthb nods.
03:11 jcamins_away Space_Librarian: tell miltsNZ that you can do that by setting the default value in the framework.
03:11 jcamins_away I do it all the time.
03:12 jcamins_away Woohoo! Third most signoffs in 3.6.4!
03:22 Space_Librarian jcamins_away: I will - thanks so much! He was pretty impressed with the IRC - he'll be back. :)
03:22 jcamins_away :)
03:22 * druthb squees and waves at Space_Librarian.
03:23 Space_Librarian :D hey druthb!
03:25 druthb :D
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03:28 Amit_Gupta heya bag
03:30 * druthb waves to Amit_Gupta.
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03:33 Amit_Gupta heya druthb
03:33 * druthb updates two more, Just Because.
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04:02 Space_Librarian Adieu, until tomorrow! :)
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04:37 eythian is it possible to make item types show up in the search results? Insofar as this question makes sense...
04:37 eythian I know the MARC item type shows up, but that's next to useless.
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04:46 mib_c56cpx hello
04:46 wahanui bonjour, mib_c56cpx
04:46 mib_c56cpx can anybody help me
04:47 eythian I don't know. Can they?
04:47 mib_c56cpx i want my users to login using their google apps email id
04:47 mib_c56cpx is it possible?
04:47 eythian hmm. Not that I'm aware of.
04:47 eythian I have no idea how one would go about authenticating against a google apps account.
04:47 mib_c56cpx ok..
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04:48 eythian I assume most bigger places do the reverse, and have google authenticating against some system of theirs, or some such.
04:48 mib_c56cpx do you have any idea who would be able to answer my question?
04:48 Oak kia ora #koha
04:48 mib_c56cpx i need this google apps koha integration
04:48 eythian I'm pretty sure I'm right, that it's not currently possible. However if you want to be sure, best email the koha users mailing list.
04:49 mib_c56cpx whr can i find that
04:49 eythian If there's a way to implement it, I'm sure you'd be able to find someone willing to do the development.
04:49 eythian wahanui: email lists
04:49 wahanui eythian: sorry...
04:49 eythian oh
04:49 eythian one moment...
04:49 eythian wahanui: mailing list
04:49 wahanui i guess mailing list is at[…]ha-mailing-lists/
04:49 eythian ah, there we go.
04:49 eythian mib_c56cpx: ^^
04:50 mib_c56cpx thanks wahanui
04:50 eythian wahanui: thanks wahanui is <reply>You're very welcome, $who
04:50 wahanui sure thing eythian
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05:37 stuartyeates rangi: know anyone who might be interested in[…]detail.asp?p=6057 ?
06:24 Amit_Gupta heya cait
06:24 cait hi Amit_Gupta
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06:30 eythian hrm, the data normalisation on the tags tables seems quite unusual to my eye.
06:31 cait heya eythian - you are back :)
06:32 eythian yep
06:32 eythian hello
06:45 eythian so when you hover over a tag in the tag cloud, it pops up a number. This number isn't the number of items (which is what I expected), it's the weight given to that tag, which is a function of the number of items. That's pretty odd.
06:46 cait eythian: I haven't played aroudn with it really
06:46 cait owen did work on something tag related
06:46 cait to highlight your own tags in the tag cloud
06:46 eythian I had someone ask me why the numbers didn't match up, she expected the hover number to be the number of items tagged with that tag.
07:01 eythian damn, I was hoping it'd be an easy fix to provide the number of items, but it's surprisingly not.
07:01 cait the tags tables are a bit weird
07:02 eythian they are. It looks like they're structured that way for speed, but I would suspect some well thought out indices would allow the same speed but with a better structure.
07:02 * cait nods
07:02 eythian also the "tags" table is empty
07:02 cait I had the same thought
07:03 cait only explanation is speed, because else it's really weird
07:03 eythian which is silly, unless its for something else.
07:03 cait hm
07:06 cait we have approved and rejected
07:06 cait and all tags or something right?
07:07 eythian tags_all, tags_approval, and tags_index are all used
07:07 eythian there's a tag_id which should be used but isn't, instead the term seems to be used as an ID.
07:08 eythian which is generally considered bad form
07:08 cait ew
07:08 pastebot "eythian" at pasted "Weirdo tags tables" (79 lines) at
07:09 eythian that's what they look like with some test data in there.
07:09 cait interesting tags :)
07:09 eythian yeah, it's a not-yet-live client who has just been messing about to see how they work
07:09 cait yeah, they are weird
07:09 cait why does tags_index have the bilbionumber and the weigt?
07:10 eythian it's a reduction of tags_all
07:10 eythian if more than one person tags something the same, it increases the weight
07:10 cait aha
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07:11 alex_a bonjour
07:11 eythian I think the approval table and the _all table are canonical, and _index and tags_approval.weight_total are derived from that.
07:11 eythian I'm not sure why they're not linking up on tag_id
07:12 * eythian goes home
07:12 eythian see you
07:12 eythian hi alex_a, bye alex_a.
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07:32 magnus_afk kia ora #koha
07:33 cait morning magnus :)
07:33 magnuse guten morgen cait
07:34 magnuse @wunder boo
07:34 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (8:20 AM CET on March 05, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
07:34 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:34 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 7.0°C (8:00 AM CET on March 05, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
07:35 cait :)
07:35 cait soon!
07:35 magnuse 2 weeks!
07:35 wahanui hmmm... 2 weeks is good
07:35 magnuse you lucky people
07:36 cait you will give an amazing presentation instead :)
07:37 magnuse nah, don't count on that
07:38 cait oh, I don't have to count on it.. I know it.
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07:41 reiveune hello
07:41 wahanui hey, reiveune
07:42 rangi hi europe
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07:50 cait hi nz
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07:51 marcelr hello koha
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08:07 gaetan_B good morning #koha!
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08:14 rangi wow, that guy is persistent, help me with this fork, help me
08:14 rangi i know i downloaded the wrong version, but help me anyway
08:14 sophie_m hello #koha
08:15 hdl1 hi
08:15 marcelr hi]
08:15 marcelr s/]//
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08:19 rangi marcelr: i wonder for bug 7310
08:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7310 normal, P3, ---,, Signed Off , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves)
08:20 magnuse rangi++ for being patient and polite
08:20 rangi you might want to publish a branch
08:20 rangi and just keep that up to date, and get ppl to do pull of it?
08:20 rangi might be easier for you to keep up to date?
08:21 paul_p hello world
08:21 magnuse chris_n++ for 3.6.4
08:22 rangi hi paul_p
08:23 marcelr hi paul_p; bug 7310 welcomes your revisiting it
08:23 marcelr :-)
08:23 paul_p marcelr yes, i've seen
08:23 paul_p will try to work on it today, but I already have many patches to push
08:23 marcelr ;)
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08:38 Amit_Gupta heya paul_p, magnuse
08:38 magnuse namaste Amit_Gupta
08:38 * rangi is running out of patience, that will be my last email, someone else can take over
08:39 marcelr oops
08:39 paul_p rangi ???
08:39 magnuse gah
08:40 magnuse rangi++
08:40 marcelr rangi++
08:40 paul_p ok, I think I get it = archer thread
08:40 rangi ahh mailing list paul, you'll see it :)
08:40 rangi yep
08:41 marcelr he wants to deploy community version now ;)
08:41 rangi getting there :)
08:42 rangi just fighting the fud that it has no support
08:42 magnuse marcelr: not "community version", just Koha ;-)
08:42 rangi and that :)
08:42 marcelr sorry..
08:42 marcelr :-)
08:42 clrh hello
08:42 marcelr hi
08:42 magnuse bonjour clrh
08:43 magnuse marcelr: i find myself thinking that way every so often too, but i try not to ;-)
08:43 marcelr good
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09:42 kf hi #koha
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09:43 marcelr hi kf
09:44 halfie hi, I have deleted some fields shown while "adding MARC records". Now fewer fields are shown but they are still distributed among multiple tabs (0, 1, 2 etc). Is there a way to get a single screen showing all the required fields instead of those multiple tabs?
09:44 kf halfie: be careful - I don't recomment deleting fields from the default framework
09:44 kf better hide them if you don't want to use them or create your own frameworks
09:45 kf halfie: and yes, you can go to administration > bilbiographic frameworks > framework you want to change > marc structure > field you want to change > tab
09:45 halfie kf: I have created a new framework from which I have deleted those fields.
09:45 kf if you are more familiar with the right values the export options for frameworks are nice
09:45 kf you can edit them in libreoffice calc for example
09:46 kf that makes it easier to change in bulk
09:46 kf halfie: ok, that's ok then, but check out the hidden field
09:46 kf you can also jsut hide fields
09:46 kf morning marcelr
09:46 halfie kf: now I have 5-6 fields in my newly created "Book" framework but still they are distributed among multiple tabs. How do I disable this tabbing behaviour on "add new MARC records" page?
09:47 kf the tabs are configuration
09:47 kf It's not done by the number of fields
09:48 kf but an attribute of the configuration of each field
09:48 kf if you want to change that, you have to go back and change the tab value for the field
09:48 kf by default the 0xx fields show up on 0 tab, the 1xx on 1 etc. to make it easier for the cataloger
09:48 halfie kf: I tried changing the Tag value (not the tab value) for fields but the GUI doesn't save my changes somehow.
09:48 kf you have to tell the system for each field on which tab it should show
09:49 kf the tab is under advanced otpions
09:49 kf when you look at the subfields
09:49 kf there are 0-9 + 10(items) - don't change items
09:52 halfie kf: understood, I did what you said and it worked :) .. thanks.
09:53 kf :)
09:53 halfie kf: changing the tag for every sub-field is a PITA though.
09:53 kf yes
09:53 kf easier to do in sql
09:53 magnuse kf++
09:53 kf or using the export options for frameworks
09:58 kf styling the browse feature is quite annoying
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10:17 halfie I have deleted a book but it still appears in search results. Do I have to run the full zebra re-indexing process again?
10:20 hdl1 yep
10:28 kf halfie: have you set up your cronjobs to reindex regularly?
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11:29 Amit_Gupta heya hdl1
11:33 hdl1 hi Amit_Gupta
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13:06 slef what's the zebra index containing marc data?
13:06 slef like kw is keywords IIRC
13:08 slef in other words, what's the bit before the , in bulkmarcimport -match to match MARC tags :)
13:09 slef or in the search box to search a MARC tag
13:09 slef morning #koha btw :)
13:11 slef http://manual.koha-community.o[…]earchindexes.html
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13:13 slef answered my own question I think. Asking beggar to test
13:14 slef what's a nicer word for someone requesting a donation than "beggar"? :) I'm having a tact fail this Monday morning (yeah, what's new, you say)
13:17 jcamins_away slef: you can't search arbitrary MARC tags at present.
13:19 slef jcamins_away: being able to search the indexed ones is good enough for them I think.
13:20 jcamins_away slef: "panhandler"? "mendicant"? "supplicant"?
13:24 kf hi slef morning jcamins_away
13:26 * jcamins_away favors "supplicant."
13:27 jcamins_away magnuse: have I mentioned to you that we should markup the OPAC details page to include semantic information about the record? Embedded RDF, perhaps.
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13:30 kf hi drojf :)
13:30 drojf hi #koha
13:30 drojf hi kf :)
13:32 slef jcamins_away: be nice. Co-ops donate to charities ;)
13:32 slef (or at least this one does... can't speak for NYC housing co-ops ;-) )
13:33 * oleonard listens for the sounds of jcamins_away's derisive laughter
13:34 jcamins_away oleonard: was that suitable? :)
13:36 magnuse jcamins_away: don'tt hink you have mentioned it, but definitely interesting! RDFa, i think?
13:38 jcamins magnuse: yes, that's what I meant.
13:40 magnuse jcamins: i have made some progress on converting records to RDF with , storing them in this triplestore: and enriching them with this script:[…]er/
13:41 magnuse hope to have a poc of enhancing the opac with the data this week
13:41 jcamins Woohoo!
13:41 jcamins magnuse++
13:41 magnuse yay
13:45 jcamins magnuse: I think we also should have <link>s specifying alternate representations.
13:45 jcamins This is on my todo list. Along with about a billion other things.
13:47 magnuse hehe, sounds like a good idea, though
13:48 magnuse jcamins: you might want to add signing off bug 7092 to the list ;-)
13:48 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7092 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Complete-subfield searches TraceCompleteSubfields syspref not working correctly
13:48 jcamins Yeah, I just did.
13:48 magnuse yay!
13:52 jcamins Ooh, you know what today is? Today is the day paul_p gets to push 7284! Lucky paul_p!
13:53 magnuse woohoo!
13:53 jcamins :D
13:53 magnuse bug 7284
13:53 wahanui hmmm... bug 7284 is the first step to making that happen.
13:53 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Authority matching algorithm improvements
13:53 paul_p lol :D
13:54 jcamins paul_p: you're so lucky... the second thing you have to push is a fun patch! :D
13:54 * paul_p fear that won't be for today, as I've other things I *must* do today, sorry jcamins
13:55 jcamins paul_p: in that case you can do fun things tomorrow! :D
13:55 magnuse lucky paul_p! :-)
13:59 * paul_p afk for a meeting
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14:10 kf jcamins++
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14:11 kf wb drojf
14:11 jcamins kf: what did I do?
14:11 drojf damn university wifi :/
14:12 kf how is the migration?
14:13 kf drojf: talking to you :)
14:13 drojf downloading a file with 20k, impressive :D
14:13 drojf slow
14:14 drojf want to have a test import before next monday
14:14 drojf so the ladies can check while i get some holiday
14:14 kf :)
14:15 drojf i guess we will not care for authorities now, i want to have something running in april
14:15 kf real holiday? or only working on something else?
14:15 drojf well. holiday from my two jobs, working on things for university so i can finally write my thesis
14:16 drojf not real holidays i'm afraid
14:16 kf yes, doesn't sound like one
14:17 drojf can i search for several things in one search sting in koha? like "give me all results with x in this field or y in some other field"?
14:17 drojf *search string
14:18 magnuse drojf: you can choose "or" between fields in advanced search
14:20 drojf thanks magnuse you're right of course. some things are just too obvious
14:21 magnuse hehe
14:24 * kf hands out cookiews
14:24 kf cookies even
14:24 kf it's monday
14:24 magnuse yay, monday cookies!
14:24 marcelr great
14:24 drojf woohoo cookies
14:25 kf lol
14:30 * marcelr leaves the room quietly, waving
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15:03 wizzyrea 7001 too :)
15:05 hdl1 bug 7001
15:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Passed QA , User Configurable Slips
15:10 kf hi wizzyrea
15:10 * kf saves some cookies for you
15:10 * wizzyrea has girlscout cookies
15:10 wizzyrea thin mints!
15:10 * wizzyrea wonders if it's legal to ship them to germany
15:11 wizzyrea also, germany is awesome
15:11 wizzyrea[…]roducts/40134347/
15:11 wizzyrea er no
15:11 wizzyrea lol
15:11 wizzyrea[…]k/~3/jHXCUJg1YQk/
15:11 wizzyrea that
15:11 wizzyrea nice table tho.
15:11 kf ikea :)
15:15 kf wizzyrea?
15:15 wahanui I LIKE SCIENCE! or KOREAN
15:15 wizzyrea ok, that's probably confusing for people
15:15 wizzyrea forget wizzyrea
15:15 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot wizzyrea
15:21 kf wizzyrea?
15:21 kf !
15:21 kf wizzyrea is <reply> I LIKE SCIENCE
15:21 kf wizzyrea?
15:21 wahanui I LIKE SCIENCE
15:21 wizzyrea :)
15:21 kf better :)
15:31 oleonard chris_n around?
15:38 * oleonard has filed Bug 7643
15:38 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7643 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Can't upload and import zipped file of patron images
15:40 kf oleonard++
15:43 wizzyrea sorry I meant to do that on friday >.<
15:43 wizzyrea but thanks oleonard
15:44 * wizzyrea hunts around for signoffs to atone.
15:44 oleonard ...because you could see into the future when someone would post that to the list?
15:44 wizzyrea he came here first asking about it I think
15:44 kf yes, there was swomeone asking abou tit
15:44 wizzyrea either way I was looking at that on friday
15:45 oleonard But anyway, signoffs? Bug 7629, Bug 7633. Nice 'n' easy.
15:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7629 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Update sco.css to include CSS Gradients and prevent error upon missing background image file.
15:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7633 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Move display of patron image in self checkout
15:45 wizzyrea check. :)
15:45 wizzyrea also
15:45 wizzyrea test plan?
15:45 wahanui make me a test plan or I no test!
15:45 wizzyrea kekekekeke
15:46 wizzyrea j/k
15:46 wizzyrea I can test those wihtout a test plan
15:46 oleonard Both have instructions for testing :P
15:46 wizzyrea really that wasn't directed at you :)
15:47 wizzyrea but I wanted the response for test plan to be something a bit more... urgen than "test plans are nice"
15:47 wizzyrea urgent*
15:48 * kf is closing oooooold acq tickets from our libraries
15:48 * kf loves 3.6.3 :)
15:48 wizzyrea because the problems are all fixed?
15:48 kf yep
15:48 wizzyrea WIN :)
15:49 kf yep
15:49 kf are you aware of any problems with attaching items to other records?
15:49 wizzyrea ! no?
15:49 kf I don't think there is a known problem right?
15:50 kf we had one case... where the xml was not updated properly
15:50 kf and the item appeared in both records...
15:50 kf after reindexing
15:50 kf I will just assume that's also fixed
15:50 wizzyrea hmm no I hadn't heard about that
15:50 wizzyrea that sounds... flukey
15:50 kf yes, had problems reproducing it
15:51 kf but had exmaples where it happened
15:52 wizzyrea busy library?
15:52 kf hm not really
15:52 * wizzyrea suspects a locked table or something where an update didn't happen when it was suppseed to
15:53 jcamins UTF-8 in the call number?
15:53 kf jcamins: possible
15:53 wahanui possible is, like, everything, but I think it's probably easy to miss something here
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15:54 * wizzyrea waves at sekjal
15:54 wizzyrea hi :)
15:54 sekjal hi, wizzyrea
15:55 kf hi sekjal :)
15:56 sekjal hi, kf!
15:59 * wizzyrea goes on a tab closing frenzy
16:00 wizzyrea ah, that's nice. Down to 5.
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16:10 * paul_p head for pushing some bugs...
16:10 paul_p bug 3516 first
16:10 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3516 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Display picture of patrons in OPAC
16:11 paul_p (from oldest to newest QA)
16:12 wizzyrea \o/
16:12 jcamins paul_p: woohoo! Maybe you do get to have fun today! :D
16:13 paul_p your bug is 2nd on  my list ;-)
16:13 wizzyrea I wish git commit --amend -s would also add [Signed Off] to the first line of the commit.
16:13 jcamins paul_p: I know. :)
16:13 * wizzyrea is so lazy.
16:14 wizzyrea also,
16:14 wizzyrea because, i couldn't resist that title.
16:14 wizzyrea it may be crap.
16:15 * paul_p bet that, with a git config one achieve that. Or maybe a hook
16:15 * wizzyrea is looking now, because that extra 5 seconds of typing stuff that i'm likely to forget is cramping my stlye.
16:15 wizzyrea style* even.
16:16 hdl1 paul_p: wizzyrea investigate git-alias
16:16 wizzyrea oh holy snaps.
16:16 wizzyrea hdl++
16:16 wizzyrea good one. :)
16:17 paul_p wizzyrea share if you are successfull ;-)
16:18 wizzyrea boo except that is still down where they keep all of the examples.
16:18 wizzyrea hrmph.
16:19 maximep lazy++. I have bash aliases to only do "gci" to do a "git commit"
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16:20 * oleonard uses "ckm" for "git checkout master"
16:21 * jcamins has been typing everything out.
16:21 wizzyrea
16:21 jcamins Maybe I should write a "qa nnnn" script.
16:22 wizzyrea also looks like you can do longish things with aliases as well:[…]mand-aliases.html
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16:23 wizzyrea ooooo
16:23 wizzyrea[…]flow-with-aliases
16:23 wizzyrea this looks promising.
16:24 wizzyrea specifically
16:24 wizzyrea up = !git fetch origin && git rebase origin/master
16:24 wizzyrea or cob = checkout -b used like git cob qa-xxxx
16:25 mveron Hi everybody #koha
16:26 paul_p and now, ladies and gentlemen... pushing 7284 ... (or not, just to see jcamin angry ;-) )
16:26 jcamins I like the idea of `git qa 1234`=git fetch kc && git checkout -b bug_1234_qa kc/master && git-bz apply 1234
16:26 * wizzyrea throws confetti
16:26 * jcamins is sure this is the high point of paul_p's day. :)
16:26 jcamins Certainly the high point of mine. :)
16:27 bag good morning
16:27 sekjal morning, bag
16:27 bag hey ian
16:30 kf morning bag
16:30 jcamins Morning.
16:30 wahanui i think morning is a state of mind.
16:30 jcamins wahanui: Monday?
16:30 wahanui i think Monday is better
16:31 oleonard Better than what? A kick in the teeth?
16:31 jcamins Well, isn't it?
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16:41 Shane-S For a patron there is the "library management" section  w/ Sort 1 and Sort 2 fields, are the just for the library to use in say reports, or do they have a more specific purpose?
16:42 oleonard For any arbitrary purpose
16:42 Shane-S awesome, needed to add grade level and teacher for a fines I can play :)
16:43 Shane-S Every day I think I am nearing 100% to using Koha and I learn "one more thing" the library needs to have in place :P
16:43 wizzyrea :)
16:43 wizzyrea @quote get 123
16:43 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
16:44 wizzyrea just wait until they start inventing things they need it to do
16:44 wizzyrea that's when it gets really fun.
16:44 wizzyrea "oh hey, we have some control here, can you make it vomit ponies?"
16:44 wizzyrea "because that's really what I want"
16:45 Shane-S can vomit out all the books with the word ponies....then hand them a PERL book :)
16:45 wizzyrea ^^ this
16:46 paul_p jcamins could you give me some details about "* Correctly destroy ZOOM recordsets in SearchAuthorities when finished. If left
16:46 paul_p undestroyed, efficiency appears to approach O(log n^n)" ?
16:47 jcamins paul_p: yeah, exactly what it sounds like. The ZOOM library has a destroy() function that the authority search wasn't calling.
16:47 jcamins Therefore, we were leaking memory like mad.
16:47 paul_p don't we have the same problem with bib search ?
16:47 jcamins paul_p: uhhh...
16:47 kf hm
16:48 jcamins I think I checked and found that we were destroying the query.
16:48 kf I have suggestion on but no suggestions form shows up in my opac? :(
16:48 kf oh found it
16:48 jcamins (the way we should be)
16:48 * paul_p think he remembers hdl speaking of something like that (leaking memory when linking authorities & biblio automatically).
16:48 jcamins paul_p: yeah, that was due to this bug.
16:48 paul_p jcamins doesn't the destroy result in a big lowering of performances ?(
16:48 paul_p because opening a connection is costly)
16:49 jcamins paul_p: no, we're not destroying the connection.
16:49 jcamins paul_p: ZOOM has a really weird API.
16:49 jcamins You have to destroy *each* resultset.
16:49 paul_p jcamins really ? no... you must be kidding... zebra/zoom are so handy to deal with
16:49 jcamins Even though they are invalid as soon as you leave scope.
16:49 paul_p (yes, *I* am kidding ;-) )
16:49 jcamins paul_p: ;)
16:50 Shane-S okay...I'm confused...searched for a Patron and the results of more then one showed, in the category it showed Student (C) when I go to view then it has Student (KID) .... (KID) I expect, it is my code, where does the (C) come from? Perhaps I bug I need to report?
16:50 kf C is probably the category type
16:51 kf which means Child
16:51 jcamins paul_p: it used to be a run of the linker took three days for 110k records.
16:51 paul_p (you know, we're having our annual meeting one-to-one with all BibLibre staff. 2 things are shared by all = "i'm happy to work at BibLibre, it's a cool company" and "well, i need more info on zebra, because it's un-understandable" )
16:52 jcamins Now it takes six hours, thanks to the addition of the destroy().
16:52 jcamins Heh.
16:52 paul_p wow ! impressive !
16:52 Shane-S kf: Ah okay, was odd seeing it different between screens
16:53 jcamins paul_p: yeah, I was pretty impressed!
16:53 paul_p (I think the 1st point is sincere, i'm sure the 2nd point is ;-) )
16:53 oleonard Something I'm working on:
17:02 gaetan_B bye!
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17:07 kf time to leave - bye all!
17:07 kf oleonard: pretty cool :)
17:08 maximep anyone using misc/cronjobs/ with marc21 ? I have no idea what to pass to -t and -f
17:13 jcamins maximep: I have no idea, sorry.
17:13 maximep docs says 676a in UNIMARC for dewey for example
17:13 maximep let's see if that does anything
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17:21 * paul_p wife call me. family time now. See you tomorrow #koha !
17:21 wizzyrea bye paul_p
17:21 wizzyrea oleonard: very cool on the tags.
17:22 sekjal jcamins: qa = !sh -c 'git checkout master && git pull && git checkout -b bug$1-qa && git bz apply $1' -
17:22 jcamins sekjal: nice!
17:22 sekjal can be adapted as needed to change how the checkouts work, or the branch is named
17:22 maximep oh, looks like it's 082 in marc21 Not sure about the subfield :/
17:23 wizzyrea oh sekjal <3
17:23 wizzyrea that is awesome
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17:24 sekjal could probably do an 'so' alias for signoffs, too
17:24 jcamins Yeah... more keypresses saved!
17:25 sekjal by abstracting the process, the usage becomes more consistent
17:26 wizzyrea something like
17:26 wizzyrea so = !sh -c 'git commit --amend -s && git bz attach -e $1 HEAD' -
17:27 sekjal you may not need to the !sh -c wrapper
17:27 sekjal I had to use that to use the $1 variable twice
17:27 wizzyrea if you want the $1 I think you do
17:27 wizzyrea ?
17:27 wizzyrea oh, twice.
17:27 sekjal or I could be mistaken
17:27 wizzyrea well, it's in the 2nd command... hm idk.
17:27 sekjal I makea  lot of twists and turns trying to nail that one-liner down
17:27 * wizzyrea just took what you did
17:29 * wizzyrea cackles maniacally
17:29 wizzyrea hdl++
17:29 wizzyrea great idea.
17:29 sekjal could even add the git send-email phase, too
17:30 sekjal since we don't yet have the auto-emailer in place that mtj was working on
17:30 wizzyrea *nod*
17:30 sekjal aliases++
17:30 * wizzyrea wants to do one on the bz test bug
17:30 wizzyrea for signoff.
17:31 wizzyrea omg it's brilliant.
17:31 wizzyrea o.m.g.
17:32 Shane-S <-- is thinking of creating a "print" button the reports page that takes off the SQL using JS to dynamically add some CSS...hmmm
17:32 wizzyrea i just did a git so 6473, it amended my commit, let me obsolete the old patches and sent it
17:32 wizzyrea thatis*&$$@)$%amazing
17:33 sekjal wizzyrea++
17:33 wizzyrea life is too short to have non-working pens on your desk.
17:34 wizzyrea i also added
17:34 wizzyrea up = !git fetch origin && git rebase origin/master
17:34 wizzyrea so I say "git up"
17:34 wizzyrea and it does it
17:34 wizzyrea yee haw, so to speak.
17:34 jcamins lol
17:34 * sekjal still wants git -r done to be an official command
17:34 wizzyrea LOLOL
17:34 magnus_afk who's putting this on the wiki?
17:35 sekjal I am
17:35 * wizzyrea bets you can do it with aliases.
17:35 magnus_afk sekjal: yay :-)
17:35 wizzyrea :D sekjal++
17:35 wizzyrea this is what I was looking at mostly:[…]flow-with-aliases
17:36 wizzyrea hey, sekjal, they have one for interactive rebase
17:36 wizzyrea which is git ir
17:36 wizzyrea close to git r
17:36 sekjal nice
17:36 wizzyrea oh and a done
17:36 wizzyrea lol
17:36 wizzyrea done = !git fetch && git rebase origin/master && git checkout master && git merge @{-1} && rake && git push
17:37 wizzyrea (ruby guy, apparently)
17:37 wizzyrea (could add prove t in there if you wanted)
17:37 wizzyrea (same thing)
17:37 wizzyrea oh, I should add tests in there.
17:37 wizzyrea at least the template ones.
17:38 wizzyrea *nod* that works, sticking a prove t xt in front of git commit --amend
17:42 sekjal so = !sh -c 'prove t xt && git commit --amend -s && git bz attach -e $1 HEAD' -
17:42 wizzyrea yep, exactly
17:43 wizzyrea now, how to get it to prepend the first line with [Signed Off]
17:43 wizzyrea which was the original reason for this alias adventure.
17:43 Shane-S is there a URL value I can pass to NOT show SQL statements in the w/ phase = Run this Report, I tried &showsql=0
17:44 wizzyrea not that I'm aware of
17:45 * wizzyrea learns something about git commit -- the -n flag for "no-verify" or "skip hooks"
17:45 wizzyrea that makes hooks a lot less annoying.
17:45 wizzyrea that will make hooks a lot less annoying. Grammar. geez.
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17:47 jcamins Shane-S: no, you'll have to use javascript or CSS.
17:48 sekjal prepending [SIGNED-OFF] to the first line of the commit message was a convention we used larger for the patches list, as I recall
17:48 Shane-S yeah...problem is there is no "print media" CSS section through Admin area
17:48 wizzyrea so make one :P
17:48 sekjal we may need to reevaluate it in a git-bz based workflow
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17:49 wizzyrea Shane-S: you know that you can just download the results as CSV or TAB right?
17:49 wizzyrea most people just do that if they want to print them
17:49 wizzyrea the first question
17:49 wahanui it has been said that the first question is "What are you trying to do?"
17:50 Shane-S For problem...for a person who can't login to email....would like to keep it at "Print"
18:05 sekjal[…]ify_command_tasks
18:07 Shane-S where are template files? using locate .tmpl didn't return anything
18:08 sekjal Shane-S:  they're .tt now, and located in koha-tmpl
18:08 Shane-S ah okay thanks
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18:12 maximep oh, that git prompt is cooler than mine
18:15 jcamins Maybe I should try that out, see if it is helpful.
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18:31 maximep @wunder yqb
18:31 huginn maximep: The current temperature in lac st-charles, quebec city, Quebec is -7.2°C (1:29 PM EST on March 05, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -13.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Rising).
18:31 maximep @wunder cyqb
18:31 huginn maximep: The current temperature in Quebec, Quebec is -10.0°C (1:00 PM EST on March 05, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -14.0°C. Windchill: -20.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
18:32 bag @wunder 93109
18:32 huginn bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 19.4°C (10:30 AM PST on March 05, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Steady).
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18:47 Shane-S okay okay...sometime I have to learn git....but bug 7646 (I submitted my code change)
18:47 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7646 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Printing w/o the SQL Code showing
18:47 Shane-S It looks pretty on my print preview :)
18:49 maximep maybe just a diff between the original and your modification would be a start
18:50 Shane-S I feel kinda happy I have hopefully helped add a little to the project, tiny things I wanted...but hopefully others like and can use it :D
18:52 maximep the template could change before someone can take a look at your patch, so attaching a diff would be good
18:53 Shane-S how would I do that?
18:53 jcamins Shane-S: git is easy.
18:53 jcamins version control using git?
18:53 wahanui well, version control using git is at[…]Control_Using_Git
18:53 jcamins ^^ see that document for an introduction. :)
18:54 maximep or just a diff file1 file2 > diff.patch
18:54 maximep but a git patch would be btter
18:54 jcamins maximep: right, I wasn't answering that question.
18:54 jcamins git patch would be much better, because if you just supply a diff, you're gambling that someone else will be interested enough to reformat it into a git patch.
18:55 Shane-S I can track my bugs right?
18:55 jcamins And if the template changes, git will help resolve the conflicts, whereas diff/patch will not (as I understand it).
18:55 Shane-S If so when I get around to setting up my home system I will use git
18:55 jcamins You'll now get an e-mail every time someone modifies that report.
18:59 Shane-S well it is trackable, so I am good I documented my change well enough for me to make it again if the template does change
18:59 Shane-S So hopefully when I get git on my VM at home I can apply a git change
19:05 Shane-S how involved would it be to add an input field to a saved report box. I know I can do it via SQL, I just need a variable passed through.  I would add it to the WHERE clause
19:07 magnus_afk Shane-S: have you seen http://manual.koha-community.o[…]tml#reportfromsql ?
19:07 jcamins Shane-S: I think that's already done.
19:08 jcamins Where you use double angle brackets.
19:13 * oleonard wonders how the git so alias handles bugs with multiple patches
19:14 wizzyrea hm probably doesn't
19:14 jcamins oleonard: not so well.
19:14 jcamins If it were really clever, it would do a git status to get the number of patches, and then loop through them.
19:16 wizzyrea or squash them
19:16 wizzyrea as part of it
19:16 wizzyrea that would probably be something like "git squash"
19:16 * jcamins prefers preserving multiple patches.
19:17 jcamins Use git ri if you are sure you want them squashed.
19:17 * wizzyrea doesn't care so much as long as I've authored them all
19:17 wizzyrea or I have permission from the followupper.
19:17 * jcamins either, but often you'll be testing a patch by one person, and a follow-up by someone else.
19:17 jcamins Remember, I am *very* lazy.
19:17 wizzyrea lol - laziness to rival my own no doubt.
19:19 sekjal patches that can be tested separately should be kept separate.  If multiple patches depend on each other to work, then I can squashing them
19:19 wizzyrea ^^
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19:19 wizzyrea I hate it when you can't test a patch without another one applied first.
19:19 wizzyrea but I deal :P
19:19 sekjal I've thought about labeling my multiple patches on a bug with [Step 1], [Step 2], etc
19:20 sekjal and perhaps parallel patches could be [Step 1a], [Step 1b], etc
19:20 sekjal though if I'm going to get that fine-grained, I suppose I should just file separate reports
19:22 wizzyrea yea, idk how best to handle that
19:22 wizzyrea sort of thing.
19:23 sekjal I'm a big fan of small, easy to test patches
19:23 sekjal not always possible, but nice when it is
19:23 jcamins I went with monolothic for bug 7284 because people were starting to get annoyed at the number of patches.
19:23 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Authority matching algorithm improvements
19:23 jcamins Also, I kept on rewriting history.
19:24 jcamins Easier to say "okay, create a new branch and apply this one patch" than "okay, create a new branch and apply thirty patches."
19:25 wizzyrea yea, that's a huge feature. We did the same with 7001
19:25 wizzyrea went for monolith.
19:25 wizzyrea or srdjan did
19:25 wizzyrea (bless his patient heart. I keep saying it because it's true)
19:27 Shane-S magnus_afk / jcamins : Says it is limited to branches, itemtypes, and categorycode, I need borrowers sort1 sort2
19:28 sekjal ah, that reminds me, bag was asking me to look at bug 7641 on Frida
19:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7641 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Add ability to suspend reserves.
19:28 Shane-S nm that is for drop downs
19:30 Shane-S sweet that is awesome!
19:31 Shane-S Thanks guys...FYI Koha is massive, you should have Koha Certification classes to pay yourselves and make the project $$ :P
19:32 Shane-S Just start that after I learn more first ;)
19:34 wizzyrea Koha *is* massive.
19:36 cait every ILS is I think
19:36 magnus_afk @get quote 123
19:36 huginn magnus_afk: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, Lart, Quote, and ReleaseDay plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get".
19:36 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
19:36 jcamins @quote get 123
19:36 huginn jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
19:37 magnus_afk thanks jcamins
19:37 magnus_afk @dunno
19:37 jcamins magnus_afk: I thought Shane-S might not have been able to translate that into a quote. ;)
19:37 huginn magnus_afk: I suck
19:40 * magnus_afk wanders off
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19:51 Shane-S Would the 3.2 Manual apply to 3.6, I need the PDF to print out for my Librarian so we can earmark and notate things we need, have done, or will do.
19:52 oleonard It will apply where they are the same. It won't apply where they are different.
19:53 wizzyrea I thought they were generating pdf's for that
19:53 Shane-S apparently I lost wifi...I missed the response
19:54 oleonard Shane-S: It will apply where they are the same. It won't apply where they are different.
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19:54 wizzyrea and "I thought they were generating pdf's for that"
19:54 wizzyrea ping rangi - is jenkins still generating the pdf's for the manual?
19:54 wizzyrea or did we stop doing that?
19:55 wizzyrea Shane-S: it's not tooooo difficult to make your own pdf if you use linux
19:55 wizzyrea i might even be nice and make one for you if you ask nicely ;)
19:56 gmasters I just installed koha 3.06.04 and want to migrate my OPAC from OpenBiblio 0.6.1. The CSV report doesn't give full MARC records just my in-house accession numbers, call numbers, titles and collection names. Is there are a well-documented procedure that will help me complete the migration
19:56 wizzyrea oh wow.
19:56 wizzyrea we had a library go from openbiblio -> koha, but we didn't do the migration ourselves.
19:56 wizzyrea marcedit, you will need it :/
19:57 bag @wunder 93109
19:57 huginn bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 23.6°C (11:55 AM PST on March 05, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Steady).
19:57 gmasters I do have that. Am I going to have to use my CSV listing from OpenBiblio and re-pull all my records (I have over 550 volumes in this rapidly growing library!)
19:58 bag yeah it's been hot here lately
19:59 jcamins gmasters: just be glad it's five hundred fifty and not fifty-five hundred or fifty-five thousand. ;)
20:00 gmasters Good point. I'll use the CSV and repull. I'll also try to document the procedure I used so that others will have it. OpenBiblio is very inactive. It was fine when I took over the library, but we have been growing exponentially and want to start a consortium of member libraries.
20:01 wizzyrea *nod* openbiblio was the first open source ILS we tried here at NEKLS too (for one small, poor library)
20:01 wizzyrea Koha will be a *much* better fit for you
20:02 wizzyrea in all truth, koha and openbiblio were about equivalent in terms of function at the time. Not anymore though.
20:02 wizzyrea it was years and years ago
20:02 gmasters Our local public library cataloger also recommended it to me highly.
20:02 oleonard When was that wizzyrea?
20:03 wizzyrea let's see, way pre-3.0
20:03 wizzyrea i remember I looked at koha and it was a lot more confusing than openbiblio
20:03 wizzyrea OB was a lot easier to use then Koha pre-3.0
20:03 * Shane-S had the same experience in 2008/2009
20:03 wizzyrea s/than/then/
20:03 gmasters A few months ago. My wife works for the Sunnyvale Public Library and their cataloger is into OSS even though they use Millenium
20:04 jcamins gmasters: I am a cataloger, but I get a lot of grief about catalogers not liking Koha.
20:04 wizzyrea 2005-2006?
20:04 wahanui -1
20:04 wizzyrea thanks wahanui :P
20:04 oleonard Heh.
20:04 * wizzyrea didn't know he did arithmetic
20:05 gmasters thanks all
20:05 wizzyrea sure, pop back anytime
20:06 Shane-S wizzyrea: So how would one go about making a PDF w/ Linux?
20:07 Shane-S OMG...nearly 400 pages...Add duplexing...200 sheets of paper...hmm...not sure I can bind that :P
20:07 wizzyrea[…]er/
20:07 wizzyrea you need
20:07 wizzyrea docbook2html
20:07 wizzyrea and xhtml2pdf
20:07 Shane-S I might just print the key pages we need instead :D
20:07 wizzyrea but that's the basic gist.
20:08 Shane-S ah okay thanks wizzyrea
20:08 wizzyrea that script converts it to html, adds the stuff to each page for pagenumber, tidies, then converts it into pdf
20:08 jcamins You can also just print to PDF if you're lazy like me.
20:09 wizzyrea or that
20:09 wizzyrea from what, jcamins?
20:09 wizzyrea your docbook viewer?
20:09 jcamins wizzyrea: the website.
20:09 wahanui rumour has it the website is
20:10 wizzyrea oh you mean page by page?
20:10 wizzyrea or section by section I guess.
20:10 Shane-S yeah how do you view it in whole?
20:10 wizzyrea it's a git repo, you can just download the source ;)
20:10 wizzyrea it's in docbook format
20:10 jcamins There's also a page with the entire manual.
20:10 Shane-S I meant online :P
20:11 jcamins No link to it, though...
20:11 wizzyrea ! lol, uh, there is?
20:11 wizzyrea where?
20:11 wizzyrea well shit, dawg.
20:11 * wizzyrea will put a link to it if you provide it :P
20:11 * wizzyrea scolds jcamins for holding out
20:11 * wizzyrea taps her toe impatiently
20:11 Shane-S so uh... seems <pre> should be replaced with something that will wrap :P
20:11 jcamins wizzyrea: I'm trying to remember.
20:12 wizzyrea oh, in that case take your time >.>
20:12 jcamins wizzyrea: I used to have shell access. :P
20:12 wizzyrea mhm
20:12 wizzyrea we could just convert it
20:13 rangi wizzyrea: naw, jenkins isnt doing it anymore
20:13 wizzyrea k ty, I coudln't remember
20:14 wizzyrea oh hell I'm in.
20:14 wizzyrea !
20:14 wizzyrea sorry to be sweary today
20:16 maximep anyone remember having problems with the syspref QueryAutoTruncate not working correctly ?
20:16 cait hm yes
20:16 maximep set to only if * is added and it shows the same results with or without *
20:16 cait with icu I think
20:16 maximep -_-
20:16 maximep how do I find out if i'm using icu
20:17 maximep ah
20:17 maximep zebraisx -V = using ICU
20:17 wizzyrea try
20:17 wizzyrea http://manual.koha-community.o[…]3.6/en/manual.pdf
20:17 maximep -_-
20:20 cait maximep: if you have not actiaved it manually, you are not using it
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20:20 cait maximep: and I don't rmember the problem clearly :( could be in twas in combination with one of the other search prefs
20:20 Shane-S wizzyrea: thanks, but did jcamins ever jog his memory?
20:21 wizzyrea Shane-S: that's probably the link he was thinking of
20:21 jcamins wizzyrea: there's no manual.html?
20:21 * Shane-S wonders if wizzyrea toe hurts yet
20:21 kathryn good morning!
20:21 wizzyrea hi kathryn
20:22 * Shane-S notes that .pdf says 3.4
20:22 maximep yeah, probably a difference in some other pref because same zebra and doesn't work on one
20:23 * cait waves
20:23 * kathryn waves back
20:23 Shane-S jcamins: I tried manual.html, full.html, man.html, complete.html (no luck)
20:24 oleonard Man, testing template changes in multiple translations is a pain in the butt
20:24 cait oleonard: what are you trying to do?
20:24 wizzyrea Shane-S: I'll just tell you now, a monolith html doesn't exist on
20:24 wizzyrea there's a pdf, but it looks to be out of date.
20:25 wizzyrea (and is a bit ugly anyway)
20:25 maximep I guess you could download all the html pages hehe
20:25 maximep wget mirror style :p
20:25 Shane-S oh well, thanks for looking, I can't print the whole thing anyway
20:25 Shane-S I will just print out what she asks for
20:26 wizzyrea no, your best bet is going to be either convert it from docbook yourself to get a monolith, or wait a bit on me :P
20:27 Shane-S oh no....gut check time...apt-get just updated Koha...
20:27 * Shane-S wonders if files changed on me
20:29 Shane-S wait I think apt-get update just updates the file listings right?
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20:32 Shane-S any quick way to check my version?
20:33 wizzyrea more -> about koha
20:33 Shane-S damn...3.06.02
20:33 Shane-S how do I make it update to 3.06.04?
20:33 Shane-S I used packages
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20:34 rangi there isnt a package for 3.6.4 yet, it was only released yesterday, wait a couple of days
20:34 rangi there is 3.6.3 tho, you could upgrade to that if you wanted to or just wait for 3.6.4
20:35 Shane-S I just want to test if it works and/or breaks my print change
20:35 rangi it will, if you locall modified files
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20:35 rangi then it will
20:36 Shane-S yeah I did
20:36 wizzyrea *nod* don't do code changes on a package install.
20:36 rangi wether you upgrade with packages or the tarball
20:36 wizzyrea do your dev on a git install, submit, qa, then get it back when it makes it in ;)
20:36 rangi im pretty sure 50,000 people have said this already, but use git
20:36 rangi if you want to do dev
20:36 wizzyrea ^^^^^
20:36 rangi then deploy to production with packages
20:36 wizzyrea trust rangi, we all do.
20:36 cait ^^^^^
20:37 rangi i dont
20:37 cait :)
20:37 rangi that guys a clown
20:37 wizzyrea :)
20:37 wizzyrea a *brilliant* clown.
20:37 Shane-S how does git go to a package...aren't they seperate?
20:37 rangi the best way
20:37 wahanui the best way is to make the local sendmail server relay via my google mail service
20:37 wizzyrea forget the best way
20:37 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot best way
20:37 wizzyrea silly
20:37 rangi get your changes into master, then they will come out in the next package
20:37 rangi the 2nd best way
20:37 wizzyrea ^^^^
20:37 wizzyrea roll your own package
20:38 wizzyrea from git.
20:38 rangi use debian/build-git-snapshot
20:38 rangi to build your own packages
20:38 Shane-S rangi...let me ask this....say I have my server from packages (easier install), but I use a home system with git to publish my changes, can my server be tied to my packages?
20:38 * Shane-S bear in mind I can even make a install.php file for a basic "hello world" script
20:39 * Space_Librarian pulls out the popcorn
20:39 Shane-S I can't*
20:39 * wizzyrea giggles at Space_Librarian
20:39 Shane-S I only ask that because I won't be making many changes on the server if it is a production system
20:40 wizzyrea ^^ smart
20:40 * Space_Librarian shares the popcorn with wizzyrea as they watch rangi be clownish
20:40 * wizzyrea nibbles
20:40 jcamins Shane-S: don't *ever* make code changes on a production system run off packages.
20:40 rangi what jcamins said
20:40 * wizzyrea nods
20:40 oleonard Since when does the language chooser not reflect the currently-chosen of multiple language variants? (fr-FR, fr-CA)
20:40 wizzyrea listen to the sages.
20:40 * Space_Librarian agrees
20:41 wizzyrea oleonard: I thought it was me >.< but it hasn't for a while
20:41 jcamins Shane-S: there are two important corollaries: don't make code changes on a production system, and don't make code changes on a system run off packages.
20:41 rangi you make your changes test them on a staging/test system, build and deploy packages to production
20:41 maximep just fyi, QueryAutoTruncate didn't work because QueryWeightFields  was turned on
20:41 maximep looks like a bug to me :S
20:41 wizzyrea i assumed I did something wrong with translations.
20:41 rangi oh, good catch maximep
20:41 jcamins There's an old bug for that.
20:42 maximep of course there is :/
20:42 rangi oleonard: i was complaining about that the other day also
20:42 wizzyrea (being a dumb english speaker and all)
20:42 Shane-S okay...I will come back to this when I learn git...
20:42 rangi your life will be a million times easier Shane-S :)
20:42 wizzyrea Shane-S: it's really a lot... easier... than you think
20:42 * Shane-S walks away head down, hands in pockets, kicking dirt :P
20:42 jcamins hdl reported it, I think, but I didn't have time to test to see if it was still an issue.
20:42 jcamins Shane-S: see my e-mail to the list about git resources.
20:43 wizzyrea also we're here to help, and we like talking about git because every time we talk about it we learn something new
20:43 jcamins Actually, I never sent that e-mail to the list.
20:43 wizzyrea (that's not even a lie)
20:43 * jcamins doesn't have time to send the e-mail to the list now, so...
20:43 jcamins Shane-S: PM me your e-mail address?
20:43 * Shane-S has a Pinky & the Brain moment...are you pondering what I am this can pay my salary so I can have the time to learn this...
20:44 wizzyrea if you do any kind of coding at all in your job
20:44 wizzyrea it will be great to know git.
20:44 wizzyrea not just great. Fabulous.
20:44 wizzyrea worth every penny of your salaried time to learn it.
20:45 * Shane-S is paid to know everything, do everything, and then explain....I am just a single human in the IT field
20:45 * oleonard dusts off git bisect
20:46 Shane-S alright all I have to split, thanks for the help
20:46 Shane-S I have to go exchange toners :P
20:46 jcamins Okay, time to run off to the printers'.
20:46 jcamins Heh.
20:46 jcamins Similar tasks for similar times.
20:46 Shane-S lol jcamins yep
20:46 jcamins I'll be back later... much.
20:46 cait bye jcamins
20:46 Shane-S 49x don't fit our printers, need 49a
20:46 mveron I heard you all, my dev / git installation is ready... It finally runs paralel to the package installation, listens to port 81 and 8081
20:46 jcamins lol
20:47 jcamins Woohoo!
20:47 jcamins mveron++
20:47 rangi nice work mveron
20:47 mveron Thanks! I must say I'm a little bit proud....
20:47 cait mveron++ :)
20:48 mveron So I'm keen (ungeduldig) to do my first little step with git.
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20:48 cait mveron: branches are your friend
20:49 cait :)
20:50 mveron We need Swiss Francs (CHF) as Currency Format, so I branched out, inserted the code in ascquisitions.pref. Works. What would be the next step?
20:51 rangi oh
20:51 rangi what you really want to do
20:51 rangi is build a TT plugin, like we have for Dates, for currencies
20:51 wizzyrea version control using git
20:51 wahanui version control using git is at[…]Control_Using_Git
20:52 wizzyrea specifically[…]_on_Koha_with_Git
20:53 rangi then the templats can just format the number in the appropriate format, without having to muck around in the .pl files
20:53 rangi if you look in Koha/Template/Plugin/
20:53 rangi you will see a file
20:54 cait mveron: why in acq.ref?
20:55 rangi[…]#Displaying_dates
20:55 cait the format therer eis hardly used anywhere
20:55 rangi be better the i18n tab?
20:55 cait what you want to do as a first step is insert it into administration > currencies, set it to 1 and make it active :)
20:56 cait rangi: sorry, just started reading back. there is a currency formatting thing in acq
20:56 mveron cait: Because there are choices like US: 360'000.00 (US) , for Euro as well, so I added CH: 360'000.00 (CHF) as additional choice...
20:56 cait but it's hardly used anywhere, only on a few screens I think
20:56 cait mveron: i doubt it will be enough
20:56 rangi yeah mveron what im saying is currently we do it badly, and if you want formatted currency in the opac, or somewhere else
20:56 rangi you have to go touch .pl files
20:57 cait mveron: I think I use FR in our installations, similar enough. but as I said, it's hardly used anywhere for display - that system preference, only a few places in acq
20:57 rangi if we had a plugin, that used the syspref
20:57 rangi then it would just be touching .tt files
20:57 wizzyrea that really would be top notch.
20:57 rangi much easier
20:58 cait and very easy to add more formats later on :)
20:58 mveron me/ I just want prevent potential Koha-Users in Switzerland to say: "They not even can display our currency".
20:59 cait mveron: we never got any complaints if that helps :)
20:59 mveron cait: How many Koha-Installations in Switzerland?
20:59 cait but it's true, it would be nice if Koha could do it better :(
21:00 cait 7 in germany, but it's wrong here too
21:00 rangi yep, i just want us to fix it properly so we dont have to redo this all again for the next currency
21:00 rangi :)
21:01 * cait nods
21:01 mveron Oh... I see. I just wanted to make a little joke about Euro :-)
21:01 cait if we get the plugin right
21:01 mveron But you are rigt, it should be done à fond.
21:01 cait ew could try to insert it into the templates in marseille perhaps
21:02 rangi the way the eurozone is going, who knows how long we will have the euro :)
21:02 cait could be a good time perhaps to step through lots of templates in a group
21:02 * mveron Just wanted to have some small thing to get used to git / patch / etc...
21:03 rangi well if you add the syspref and write the logic to format it
21:03 rangi ill turn that into a plugin for you
21:04 cait not sure if we should reuse the existing pref
21:04 rangi you can move it
21:04 cait but might be cleaner to add a new pref in i18n?
21:04 rangi hmmm 2 prefs for currency?
21:04 rangi that might get messy really fast
21:04 cait no, get rid of the other
21:04 rangi id just move it
21:04 cait not sure how that works really
21:05 rangi you can move it by just changin what .pref file its in
21:05 rangi simple as that
21:06 cait talking about the other pref
21:06 mveron You would have to extract tohe format string form "EURO: 360,000,00...
21:06 cait how it formats and where it's used
21:07 cait mveron: that does not look right
21:07 mveron rangi: I think 2 prefs would be OK, one to do the formats and one to choose. Anyway, there could be situations where you need e.g. CHF and EURO
21:08 mveron So you need to be able to properly format all currencies.
21:09 sekjal would need to be able to indicate the formatting style for manually added currencies
21:10 sekjal so, a set of formats, and then each currency can be associated with one
21:10 rangi my first step would be get it in a plugin, and just add CHF to the list koha can format, next step would be to allow arbitrary formats
21:10 rangi else you are doing it the hardway
21:10 rangi consilidate code first, then change it
21:11 mveron rangi: I agree.
21:12 mveron ...and add Euro in the same step. I dont'think they want t use CHF in Germany  :-) CHF is to heigh  :-) (Which is a problem for us).
21:13 mveron I propose to file a bug / enhancementfor the currency thing (maybe there is alredy one?)
21:15 rangi yeah have a search, and file one
21:15 mveron And then look to find a very tiny, little bug/enhancement, because I would like to walk through the whole process... Just for learning...
21:15 mveron Ok, Rangi, will seachr & file...
21:16 * mveron Should put his glasses
21:17 cait tired - night all!
21:18 mveron Good night, cait
21:18 wizzyrea gnite cait
21:19 cait :)
21:19 cait left #koha
22:02 mveron rangi: I found Bug 4078 - Display active currency symbol on currency output and input
22:02 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4078 trivial, P5 - low, ---, aleksa, In Discussion , Display active currency symbol on currency output and input
22:02 mveron Patch by Aleksa Vujicic. Paul Poulin commented: "I think it's the *perfect* candidate for Template::Toolkit plugins."
22:02 mveron Aleksa did a lot of work to find where in the code such function would apply (an dadded to patch).
22:02 mveron IMHO the sub could be renamed / refactored not only to put a currency Indicator, but do the formatting as well
22:04 maximep hmmm and is that patch only for "$" or for "$ CAD" ?
22:05 mveron I would need such patch for CHF (Swiss Francs).
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22:31 * Space_Librarian eyes her catalogue warily
22:32 mveron ?
22:32 Space_Librarian my catalogue caches, and I have to wait for the hour to see how it looks.
22:33 * Space_Librarian and the awesome wizzyrea have been hacking subfields
22:34 mveron Oh, my fvorite movie: Some gauge running through, waiting until it is finished
22:34 Space_Librarian :)
22:34 mveron The Zen of gauge... (or something like this...)
22:34 rangi your catalogue caches?
22:35 Space_Librarian seeing if we can get the 490a to display as a subtitle in the short form records of the articles...
22:35 Space_Librarian it should work
22:36 Space_Librarian but it's not showing in the opac yet
22:36 rangi ah yep
22:36 rangi hmm it should show pretty much instaneously .. is there some kinda proxy between you and the catalogue?
22:36 Space_Librarian you would know better than I.
22:37 rangi well theres not at our end
22:37 Space_Librarian There are many things, Horatio... that work in the staff client and don't quite do it on the opac
22:37 wizzyrea memcache wouldn't affect it?
22:37 * wizzyrea doesn't know how it works
22:37 * Space_Librarian doesn't either
22:37 wizzyrea (in practice)
22:37 rangi you did it with keyword to marc mappings?
22:37 * Space_Librarian nods
22:38 rangi do you xslt display switched on for both ?
22:38 * Space_Librarian looks at wizzyrea
22:38 wizzyrea yep
22:38 Space_Librarian yup. Checked that
22:38 rangi then nope no idea, theres no caching of detail pages at this end
22:38 wizzyrea results either
22:38 Space_Librarian oh geez. this just keeps getting better.
22:39 wizzyrea http://catalog.nexpresslibrary[…]l?q=naruto&limit=
22:39 wizzyrea this is what ours looks like with the subtitle/volume keywords on
22:40 wizzyrea as far as I've been told you can stick any marc field in those mappings and it'll show up where the subtitle goes
22:40 wizzyrea also: we should make more keywords.
22:40 Space_Librarian and that looks good
22:40 wizzyrea :P
22:40 Space_Librarian more keywords. yes
22:41 rangi whats a good search to test with Space_Librarian ?
22:41 Space_Librarian emar2012
22:41 Space_Librarian all the articles we're about to promote
22:43 rangi so 490 is the series statement right?
22:44 Space_Librarian yup.
22:44 Space_Librarian 490a
22:46 rangi interesting
22:46 Space_Librarian that's never a good sign.
22:47 rangi the only Other Title in the xsl for the opac is for 246
22:48 * Space_Librarian looks blankly at rangi
22:48 Space_Librarian I thought I'd changed that
22:48 rangi no not you, is in the xsl im just seeing where the subtitle bit is referenced in the xsl
22:49 rangi and its not
22:49 rangi the reason it shows up for liz
22:49 rangi is this
22:49 rangi <xsl:if test="marc:subfield[@code='b']">
22:49 rangi <xsl:text> </xsl:text>
22:49 rangi <xsl:call-template name="subfieldSelect">
22:49 rangi <xsl:with-param name="codes">b</xsl:with-param>
22:49 rangi </xsl:call-template>
22:49 rangi </xsl:if>
22:50 Space_Librarian ah-ha.
22:50 rangi its showing the 245b
22:50 rangi because the xsl is telling it to
22:50 wizzyrea we show the p and n and 490v as well
22:50 wizzyrea and afaict they all show... or maybe they don't.
22:50 rangi yep
22:50 Space_Librarian :s so confuzzed
22:50 rangi nothing to do with keywords tho
22:50 rangi the xslt has no idea about that
22:51 Space_Librarian coolio
22:51 wizzyrea we have those all mapped in keyword -> marc mapping, they didn't show before, and now they do? THis seems odd to me based on what you're saying
22:51 wizzyrea
22:51 rangi can you show me one of that has 490 showing in your result list?
22:52 wizzyrea like so
22:52 wizzyrea sec
22:52 rangi do you have xslt on liz?
22:52 wizzyrea yep
22:53 wizzyrea and nothing special afaik
22:53 rangi cos looking at the code, nothing in here looks for keywords
22:53 rangi but if you can find one with a 490v showing i can find out how its oding it
22:53 wizzyrea k sec
22:55 wizzyrea sorry, lol, takes a sec to find one I had to ask ^.^
22:57 rangi[…]iblionumber=34847  <-- Space_Librarian i can see the 490a here .. so its just the results page you want it?
22:57 wizzyrea ok don't be mad - the v doesn't show in the opac
22:57 rangi hehe
22:58 wizzyrea but it does in the intranet :)
22:58 rangi not mad, just way less puzzled
22:58 rangi yeah
22:58 rangi xslt is different there
22:58 Space_Librarian yeah, we sorta need it in the results page.
22:58 Space_Librarian it's fine in the full record
22:58 rangi because results in intranet ... doesnt use xslt :)
22:58 rangi lemme try something
22:59 wizzyrea moar keywords :)
22:59 rangi (there is no results xslt for intranet)
22:59 rangi so it uses normal, which does keywords xslt doesnt, and never has
22:59 rangi[…]
23:00 rangi thats normal results display in the opac, and now, we have subtitles
23:00 wizzyrea hrm
23:00 rangi so there are 2 options, go with normal
23:00 rangi MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl
23:01 rangi to display 490
23:01 wizzyrea not so keen on intranetxslt then bc our librarians lurve the subtitles
23:01 wizzyrea + volume stuff
23:01 wizzyrea and series info
23:01 rangi yep you can of course make the xslt show them
23:01 rangi but it has to be something everyone wants to upstream it
23:01 rangi Space_Librarian: that link was for you
23:01 wizzyrea I simply cannot imagine that people would *not* want to see the subtitles in results
23:02 wizzyrea @quote get 123
23:02 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
23:02 Space_Librarian gotit. Ta! :)
23:02 wizzyrea but there is that.
23:02 * wizzyrea sighs
23:02 wizzyrea well we have "link to custom xslt" now
23:02 Space_Librarian it is mad.
23:02 wizzyrea don't we?
23:02 wizzyrea so you can make your own and get rid of it if you don't like it :P
23:03 Space_Librarian Our reference librarian loves
23:03 Space_Librarian it*
23:03 rangi not yet we dont
23:03 wizzyrea oh it's 5.
23:03 wizzyrea ha
23:04 Space_Librarian Yet the & are displaying as &amp; in the titles on the opac.
23:04 wizzyrea that was a bug
23:04 Space_Librarian Our cataloguer is having a heart attack. This is hilarious.
23:05 rangi just switch back to xslt
23:05 rangi oh wait i just did
23:05 Space_Librarian wizzyrea++
23:05 rangi back how it was
23:05 Space_Librarian rangi++
23:05 wizzyrea bug 7535
23:05 Space_Librarian awesome.
23:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7535 minor, P5 - low, ---, ruth, Pushed to Master , OPAC displays ampersands incorrectly.
23:05 wizzyrea fixed now though
23:06 Space_Librarian rofl
23:06 rangi so probably what you want is the 490(all subfields) to display in the xslt
23:06 wizzyrea *nod*
23:06 Space_Librarian you turned it back on, and we lost the 490a lol
23:06 rangi yes
23:06 rangi like i said you can have xslt
23:06 rangi or the 490a
23:06 rangi at the moment
23:06 Space_Librarian Okay.
23:06 Space_Librarian I need lunch, and I will think on it.
23:07 wizzyrea or you can go up to 3.6 4 and get that tiny patch >.>
23:07 * wizzyrea cackles
23:07 rangi yep or tht
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23:54 Space_Librarian orly...
23:55 rangi that would fix the amp issue, so you could use normal view in the results page
23:55 Space_Librarian the thing is... could it display on the next line...
23:55 rangi but you might like the icons etc that you get in xslt
23:55 rangi it could if you made the xslt display the 490
23:56 rangi not using the keywords method
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23:58 ky Hi All, Does anyone here have any experience with Koha + Vufind ?
23:59 rangi not me

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