IRC log for #koha, 2012-02-24

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00:05 Penggu hi all.
00:05 rangi hi Penggu
00:07 Penggu question- seems to be lacking a stylesheet, whereas all other pages are fine. I don't see any 404s. any ideas?
00:07 rangi hmm havent seenthat
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00:10 eythian[…]ooth-library-nyc/
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00:23 Penggu hmm. fix for zebra issues after multiple reinstalls. chown -R koha-koha.koha-koha /var/lib/koha/koha; chown -R koha-koha.koha-koha /var/lock/koha/koha; koha-rebuild-zebra -v --full `koha-list`
00:24 Penggu i found those files owned by some unknown user
00:24 Penggu /etc/init.d/koha-common stop beforehand and start afterwards
00:25 eythian malkovitch malkovitch
00:25 Penggu still no results, though.
00:33 bag hey eythian did you see bug 7589 ?
00:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7589 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , Package sites unable to display the wysiwig News Editor
00:33 eythian bag: yep
00:33 bag you're the package god right?
00:33 eythian rumour has it, yeah
00:33 bag awesome
00:34 bag ;)
00:34 eythian unfortunately it may be a while before I can look at it, I'm overloaded with non-koha work at the moment,.
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00:34 eythian Perhaps I'll poke at it in an evening if I'm alive enough.
00:34 * bag sends a bottle of laphriog your way
00:35 eythian well, if we're talking bribery...
00:36 * ibeardslee must learn packaging
00:37 eythian <-- this is how I do it
00:38 bag nice
00:42 bag @karma rangi
00:42 huginn bag: Karma for "rangi" has been increased 520 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of 515.
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00:42 bag just showing karma to melia
00:43 bag @karma brendan
00:43 huginn bag: Karma for "brendan" has been increased 27 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 27.
00:43 bag noice 27 rocks
00:43 bag I wish I was still 27
00:44 bag oh sweet since my nick isn't brendan anymore - I can increase karma for brendan as much as I want
00:44 bag Or is that cheating
00:44 bag hah
00:44 bag brendan++
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00:57 Culiforge Where might I look or how do I go about opening up koha for access from outside my local network (i.e. I want to log into my home server from work)
01:04 eythian Culiforge: Koha does that fine, it's up to you to configure your network to make it possible
01:05 Culiforge eythian: right, I was just hoping someone could point me somwhere
01:06 eythian probably not without knowing how you have koha and your network set up at the moment. e.g. are you behind NAT? In which case you'll need to port forward, and set up a DNS entry that points to your home IP address.
01:09 Culiforge eythian: right now I access koha over my loopback and my router NAT setting is unchecked and says open
01:09 eythian so, your server has a real-world IP address? Do you have a firewall in the way, if so you'll need to open the ports on that.
01:13 Culiforge eythian: I have a dynamic IP but it hasn't changed in 6 months.. I can always check it before I leave for work.. I opened :8080 to my system running koha and apache so unless xubuntu 11.10 has some firewall business I'm not aware of then I need to check with work to make sure I'm able to get through the proxy.. yes?
01:13 eythian that sounds like the guts of it, yeah.
01:14 eythian basically, if you know what a dynamic IP is and how often it changes, you shouldn't have any real problems making it work :)
01:14 Culiforge eythian: sweet, that's pretty much what I wanted to know. thanks.
01:15 Culiforge eythian:  could you tap for me and see if you get my sign-in screen?
01:16 Culiforge eythian: that'll tell me for sure if it's the proxy at work or not
01:16 eythian Culiforge: yeah, works. Pretty sluggish, but I can see it.
01:17 eythian > De verbinding met de server werd geherinitialiseerd tijdens het laden van de pagina.
01:17 eythian it just timed out for me when I tried to do something
01:17 eythian but I did see the login screen
01:17 Culiforge eythian: there's really nothing set up on it to speak of
01:18 Culiforge eythian: whereabouts are you coming from?
01:18 eythian .nz
01:18 Culiforge eythian: yeah, that's half the planet from me... :)
01:18 eythian the ping almost all the way to your network is reasonably consistent, so I assume that the slowness is at your end.
01:19 Culiforge eythian: interesting.. things are peppy here for what I need
01:20 eythian cool. Could be some random weirdness.
01:20 Culiforge not blazing.. but I get things done with minimal frustration anyway
01:20 eythian that's the important bit really
01:21 Culiforge if I remember I've got a 12M line in and 768K out I think
01:21 eythian that should be fine for basic use
01:21 Culiforge so serving out would be a bit slow
01:23 Culiforge anywho. thanks for the quickie... back to work....
01:24 eythian np
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02:27 bag @wunder 93109
02:27 huginn bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 15.7°C (6:25 PM PST on February 23, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Rising).
02:28 bag I thought something was going on with the pressure - my wrirst is hurting
02:28 bag or maybe I'm typing in a weird position
02:33 Culiforge @wunder 49037
02:33 huginn Culiforge: The current temperature in Battle Creek, Michigan is 1.0°C (8:53 PM EST on February 23, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.58 in 1002 hPa (Rising). Winter Storm Warning in effect from 7 PM this evening to noon EST Friday...
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02:34 libsysguy1 ok so a question about the calendar
02:34 libsysguy1 if we have  a block of dates that we are closed
02:34 libsysguy1 should books automatically be set to be back before or after those dates
02:34 libsysguy1 or does koha still set them due back during the close times?
02:36 rangi depends on what you set in your syspref for usedaysmode
02:36 rangi http://manual.koha-community.o[…].html#useDaysMode
02:36 rangi section
02:37 libsysguy1 thanks rangi
02:37 libsysguy1 rangi++
02:38 bag heya librarygeekadam
02:38 wahanui librarygeekadam is testing that theory now to see if it fixes it
02:38 bag whoops heya libsysguy1
02:38 bag fail on tabbing there
02:40 libsysguy1 haha
02:40 libsysguy1 its all good
02:40 libsysguy1 it looks like 2 of the values in that syspref are the same
02:40 rangi ?
02:40 rangi which 2?
02:40 libsysguy1 or they both do the same thing
02:40 rangi nope
02:40 libsysguy1 •the calendar to push the due date to the next open day.
02:40 libsysguy1 •the calendar to skip all days the library is closed.
02:41 rangi nope not the same
02:41 libsysguy1 in the example from the manual they both have the same result
02:41 bag yeah totally not the same
02:41 rangi say im closed 24,25
02:41 libsysguy1 ok
02:41 rangi then book due 26 if i chose push
02:41 rangi due 27th if chose skip
02:41 bag skip all days will add 2 two the circ loan period
02:41 rangi exactly
02:41 libsysguy1 ohhh gotcha
02:42 libsysguy1 in the example from the manual it says they would both be due the 26th
02:42 bag it's probably a french idea ;)
02:42 libsysguy1 so that confused me lol
02:42 libsysguy1 heh
02:45 bag keep em coming libsysguy1
02:45 bag rangi and I probably have more of that manual in our heads ;)
02:46 libsysguy1 haha manual pro's
02:46 libsysguy1 or manual bros...
02:46 rangi heh
02:46 bag oh too much time straing at the code and being like WTF
02:46 libsysguy1 LOL
02:46 * Space_Librarian is pondering skulking up to BoC to steal meringues...
02:46 libsysguy1 sadly i generally go to look at the code before i ever think about the manual
02:47 Space_Librarian the manual is my friend...
02:47 bag yup
02:52 Space_Librarian TGIF guys - have a brilliant weekend. :)
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02:54 bag oh man it's stil thursday here
02:54 wizzyrea this week can go straight to hell.
02:55 wizzyrea just sayin.
02:55 luisb wizzyrea++
02:55 bag hey wizzyrea
02:55 wahanui I LIKE SCIENCE!
02:56 bag ya no kidding..  just a week of bad news :(
02:59 libsysguy1 ok so if you assign a manual due date do you know if the push for closed dates still applies?
02:59 rangi i doubt it
03:00 * libsysguy1 goes to dive through code
03:00 bag or just test it
03:00 rangi thats basically saying i want to override all the circ rules and use this date
03:00 libsysguy1 yeah that is what I was thinking
03:00 rangi wouldnt make sense to obey the calendar
03:00 bag but it would be nice to say - Are you sure?  you're closed that day?
03:00 libsysguy1 good, then I can prove my point to one of our angry librarians :p
03:01 rangi but yeah, give it a test
03:01 wizzyrea the first question?
03:01 wahanui hmmm... the first question is "What are you trying to do?"
03:01 wizzyrea i mean, what is her contention
03:01 libsysguy1 she wants the calendar to have precedence
03:01 wizzyrea that if you set a hard due date, it should push off the date due based on the calendar?
03:01 libsysguy1 yup
03:01 libsysguy1 thats what she wants
03:01 wizzyrea @quote get 123
03:01 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
03:02 bag hah - a bit assinine
03:02 libsysguy1 because she uses the hard due date to set the due date of ILL's
03:02 wizzyrea that, is possibly the maddest scheme of all possible mad schemes.
03:02 libsysguy1 agreed…but…nevermind i forget this is logged
03:02 wizzyrea so, she should look at the calendar, and add on a few days
03:02 wizzyrea it's ILL processing
03:02 bag right LOOK at your own calendar :P
03:03 rangi but what if i dont have eyes?
03:03 libsysguy1 oh i agree with you…especially since ILLiad has its own loan module
03:03 * wizzyrea slaps rangi with a trout
03:03 rangi heh
03:03 wizzyrea teasing.
03:03 bag a trout?
03:03 wizzyrea hm, something smaller?
03:03 wizzyrea perhaps a trout is too big.
03:03 libsysguy1 dude…she literally sent me an email one time and all it said was "TOO MANY CLICKS!?!?!?!?!?!"
03:03 bag ouch
03:03 bag wizzyrea: how about a gummybear
03:03 libsysguy1 hows that for trouble shooting
03:03 wizzyrea a chocolate fish?
03:04 libsysguy1 I really should have put that on my resume
03:04 bag yup
03:04 wizzyrea "good with people and figuring out problems - Once solved a problem based only on an email that read "TOO MANY CLICKS!!?!??!?!?!?""
03:04 rangi heh
03:04 bag HA - you are hired
03:05 bag and I quit
03:05 wizzyrea lulz
03:05 bag #koha is a little more fun right now - than project runway
03:06 libsysguy1 trouble shooting skills include troubleshooting without visual, verbal, or nonverbal clues.  Ability to read minds
03:06 wizzyrea bag - you retire as world champion?
03:07 bag world champion of?
03:07 bag being awesome
03:07 wizzyrea i don't know - yes that
03:07 bag I am the most interesting man in the world - to my doggie Aloo
03:07 Guest3746 was kicked by wizzyrea: Guest3746
03:07 wizzyrea stupid guest.
03:07 wizzyrea lol libsysguy1 - ability to read minds.
03:09 wizzyrea sorry, if there si going to be fish slapping
03:09 bag libsysguy1: you're hired again
03:09 wizzyrea we should do it with chocolate fish.
03:09 bag clone yourself
03:10 libsysguy1 I wish I could…the programming world would be a better place
03:10 libsysguy1 maybe I should have called no egotist before I said that
03:10 rangi i think its time for this
03:10 rangi
03:11 rangi its always time to watch australia be smashed
03:11 cjh heh
03:12 wizzyrea haha KICK IN THE FACE
03:12 rangi hehe
03:12 libsysguy1 IN THE FACE!!
03:12 bag ha
03:13 rangi and now beer oclock
03:13 libsysguy1 man I miss you guys when I don't get to hang out on the irc
03:13 wizzyrea ow my brain.
03:13 wizzyrea have fun :)
03:13 wizzyrea and we miss you ;)
03:13 bag YAY beer time
03:13 bag it's softball time for me
03:13 libsysguy1 well hopefully soon you'll be seeing a lot more of me
03:14 libsysguy1 w00t Softball
03:14 libsysguy1 don't fall on the bat
03:14 bag ok
03:14 bag :P
03:15 bag yeah soon it will be -- libsysguy1 if you are on a computer you're signed into channel ;)
03:18 libsysguy1 heh
03:18 libsysguy1 oh gawd I'm always attached to a computer
03:39 * jcamins_away pops in to report that after the walkthrough was cancelled and uncancelled, it looks like we actually will close at 10am tomorrow.
03:39 * jcamins_away goes to pretend that he is that rarest of people who can sleep the night before a closing.
03:42 libsysguy1 congrats jcamins_away
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03:46 Amit_Gupta heya bag
04:02 wizzyrea yay!
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05:01 Penggu pfft. permissions errors all over the place with zebra
05:01 Penggu log files, lock files, dbs, etc
05:01 Penggu finally working
05:09 bag heya Amit_Gupta
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05:34 Penggu bye all
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05:44 cait morning #koha
05:45 cjh evening cait :)
05:45 cait hi :)
05:54 libsysguy1 morning cait
05:54 cait morning libsysguy1 :)
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06:02 rangi sup
06:04 cait evening rangi
06:04 Amit_Gupta heya cait rangi
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06:30 libsysguy1 night #Koha
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07:25 alex_a hello #koha
07:25 Amit_Gupta heya cait
07:40 magnuse kia ora #koha!
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07:49 julian_m hello
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08:09 gaetan_B hello!
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08:17 paul_p hello #koha
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08:26 kf good morning #koha
08:39 clrh hello all
08:49 kf hi clrh :)
08:55 magnuse bonjour france
08:55 magnuse @wunder marseille
08:55 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 7.0°C (9:30 AM CET on February 24, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
08:55 magnuse @wunder boo
08:55 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (9:20 AM CET on February 24, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.15 in 987 hPa (Steady).
08:57 kf god morgen magnuse :)
08:58 magnuse guten morgen kf
09:00 kf magnuse: I have a patch waitng for sign-off that fixes a normarc problem...
09:00 kf and it has a test plan and unit tests...
09:00 kf tempted? :)
09:00 magnuse kf: wow, sure!
09:01 kf bug 7576
09:01 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7576 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Add ISSN to SearchForTitleIn
09:01 magnuse i'll have a look!
09:05 kf yay :)
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09:25 Amit_Gupta bug 7576
09:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7576 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Add ISSN to SearchForTitleIn
09:38 kf hi Amit_Gupta
09:40 Amit_Gupta heya kf
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12:37 kf oh no paul_p
12:50 hdl paul_p coming soon
12:52 kf hdl: pehaps you know too - sip server dying after looking up patron information?
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13:19 oleonard Hi #koha
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13:25 kf hi oleonard
13:25 kf :)
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14:00 jcamins_away Half an hour until we meet the broker to drive to closing...
14:00 * jcamins_away fidgets
14:00 oleonard jcamins_away: Soothe your nerves with some light testing?
14:01 oleonard jcamins_away: Or maybe do some debugging in to take your mind off things?
14:01 jcamins_away oleonard, I don't have my laptop or I would.
14:01 jcamins_away lol. It's not _quite_ that bad.
14:08 kf lol
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14:40 hdl kf sorry was afk
14:43 oleonard hdl: Does Biblibre do any non-Koha work using a CSS grid system? I'm investigating possible replacements for YUI Grids
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14:51 * Guest3746 waves
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14:53 kf hi wizzyrea and asaurat
14:53 asaurat hi =)
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15:02 fALSO_ Hi
15:03 fALSO_ Im trying to install Koha
15:03 fALSO_ I followed the instructions on INSTALL
15:03 fALSO_ but still when i try to access localhost
15:03 fALSO_ on the browser
15:03 fALSO_ I get Internal Server Error
15:04 fALSO_ and when looking at error_log of apache
15:04 fALSO_ it is stating that Cant locate
15:05 fALSO_ its some kind of INCLUDE problem
15:06 fALSO_ because from what i SEE that file is in /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/
15:06 fALSO_ but PERL5LIB is defined to be /usr/share/koha/lib
15:06 fALSO_ i tried to change the PERL5LIB to /usr/share/koha/lib/C4
15:07 fALSO_ but then it fails trying to include C4/
15:07 fALSO_ but then it fails trying to include C4/
15:07 fALSO_ any help ?
15:08 oleonard kyleh around?
15:08 kyleh indeed!
15:08 fALSO_ so, something is wrong with the instructions explained on the INSTALL file
15:09 fALSO_ any hints on what to try next?
15:09 kf you have to export your environment variables probably
15:09 oleonard The patch you just added to Bug 7031, does that replace the one from sekjal?
15:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7031 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, Needs Signoff , More options for AdvancedSearchTypes
15:10 * oleonard wants to be sure to apply them in the correct order
15:10 kf fALSO_: actually I have no idea sorry
15:10 kyleh on 7031, I don't see any patches from sekjal.
15:11 kyleh I submitted a rebase copy if Ian's patch, then added a followup patch to address the issue that caused it to fail qa
15:11 kyleh wow, I can't type the morning!
15:11 kyleh s/the/this
15:12 kyleh so all three patches need to be used.
15:12 kyleh yours applied cleanly, so no update was needed.
15:20 kf ok, picking the global koha mind
15:21 kf we have a sip server dying when looking up patrons but only sometimes
15:21 kf any ideas about that?
15:21 sekjal kf: diacritical markers in the patron name or other info?
15:22 kf it's the sip server, not the self checkout
15:22 kf and the checksum was fixed...
15:22 kf not sure
15:22 kf it's a new problem after updating from 3.2.2 to 3.6.3
15:24 hdl oleonard: I haven't seen any.
15:26 kf sekjal: ok, it's always the same user and sometimes it happens and sometiemsnot
15:28 sekjal kf: when you say 'dying', is it that the one process stops responding, or it's killed by the server, or all the SIP processes are killed?
15:29 kf sekjal: pm and thank your for your help :)
15:32 sekjal hmmm...
15:34 wizzyrea you know we've seen "dying" sip processes too
15:34 wizzyrea 3M machines?
15:34 wizzyrea or is this the place with the german machines?
15:35 kf not the 3m one :)
15:36 wizzyrea kf, just to be sure - did the library change their network at all?
15:36 kf no, we updated
15:36 kf now it started to happen
15:37 wizzyrea k
15:37 wizzyrea and it has to do with patrons?
15:37 wizzyrea is there a patron note with special characters in it?
15:41 kf wizzyrea: it's always the same patron
15:41 kf no special characters
15:42 kf the self check asks for the patron to check if koha is still alive
15:42 kf every x ... something
15:42 kf and sometimes it dies, sometimes not
15:42 wizzyrea oh like a heartbeat thing
15:43 kf yes
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16:08 reiveune bye
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16:13 wizzyrea kf - wonder if your thing is related to bug 6620?
16:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6620 major, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, colin.campbell, RESOLVED FIXED, Sip Server Output may be buffered
16:15 wizzyrea or bug 5586
16:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5586 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , SIP line-endings should use proper SPEC-compliant \r
16:16 chris_n @wunder 28334
16:16 huginn chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 24.7°C (11:14 AM EST on February 24, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.32 in 992.8 hPa (Steady).
16:16 chris_n hmm... they must have canceled winter early
16:17 wizzyrea 24!!!!!
16:17 wizzyrea seriously?
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16:18 kf wizzyrea: no idea
16:18 kf I will send uli the link
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16:22 fALSO_ a quick question
16:22 fALSO_[…]blob/4_08/INSTALL
16:22 fALSO_ 1. perl Makefile.PL
16:22 fALSO_ (you will be prompted to answer a number of questions)
16:22 fALSO_ 2. (Install any missing dependencies indicated by make.)
16:22 fALSO_ 3. make
16:22 kf is that what you are trying to install?
16:22 wizzyrea sorry I don't think we can help you with that, no idea how it works.
16:22 fALSO_ indicated by make... you mean by "perl Makefile.Pl"
16:22 kf fALSO_: I fear you will not gethelp for that here
16:22 fALSO_ right ?
16:22 wizzyrea that's not the koha we support :(
16:22 kf check here:
16:22 fALSO_ AHHH
16:23 fALSO_ this is another koha ?
16:23 kf and and
16:23 kf a fork
16:23 wizzyrea this is the first koha ;)
16:23 kf from one company
16:23 wizzyrea (ours is)
16:23 fALSO_ OH
16:23 kf where are you located fALSO_?
16:23 wizzyrea that is to say: what you will get from is the first koha, and the one you are looking at is one company's fork
16:24 fALSO_ Portugal
16:24 kf ok
16:24 kf you don't want that then- no translations
16:24 wizzyrea oh yea you want our koha
16:24 fALSO_ thats no problem
16:24 wizzyrea no translations on LLEK
16:24 fALSO_ im going to try out this one :
16:24 fALSO_ thank you
16:24 wizzyrea yes, anytime
16:24 fALSO_ sorry for the misimpertation
16:24 wizzyrea and we can help all day with that :)
16:24 wizzyrea it's easy to do, no worries. :)
16:24 kf it's happenign quite often
16:24 kf if you are on debian you might want to look at the packages
16:24 kf debian?
16:24 wahanui debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that
16:24 fALSO_ a colegue of mine...
16:24 kf packages?
16:24 wahanui package info is at[…]on_Debian_Squeeze
16:25 fALSO_ when to a meeting
16:25 fALSO_ and the guys there talked about using KOHA for some sort of managing a library
16:25 fALSO_ then i searched koha on google
16:25 fALSO_ and the other one was the first i found
16:25 fALSO_ :-P
16:25 kf and landed on :(
16:25 wizzyrea It's a long, sad story
16:25 wizzyrea how we lost
16:25 fALSO_ ok :)
16:25 wizzyrea (that used to be the official website)
16:25 fALSO_ now i know:)
16:26 wizzyrea now we use :)
16:26 kf and lots of resources and help to be found :)
16:26 wizzyrea but 10 years of SEO on the other one... it's difficult to overcome
16:26 fALSO_ yap
16:26 fALSO_ i understand
16:26 fALSO_ i work with the web too
16:26 wizzyrea glad you found us tho :)
16:26 kf there is also the wiki:
16:26 kf with a list of pages
16:27 fALSO_ im using debian 6
16:27 fALSO_ you guys recomend to use the source, or the packages ?
16:27 kf it depends on what you want to do
16:27 fALSO_ (im just trying it out)
16:27 fALSO_ testing it, for now
16:28 kf if you want to develop koha an installation from git is helpful
16:28 oleonard Liblime-Koha--
16:28 fALSO_ nah, just need to see if i can get it running
16:28 oleonard deliberate_marketplace_confusion--
16:28 kf then I think packages
16:28 fALSO_ ok
16:28 fALSO_ thanks :)
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16:48 * oleonard wonders how many other potential Koha users have been scared off after installing Liblime Koha
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16:59 fALSO_ hi again!
16:59 fALSO_ followed all the instructions
17:00 fALSO_ I now open : http://koha.local:8080
17:00 fALSO_ and get a form asking for a user and password
17:00 wizzyrea great!
17:00 fALSO_ when to check -> /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
17:00 fALSO_ to see which user and pass was
17:00 fALSO_ user koha
17:00 fALSO_ pass zebrastripes
17:00 wizzyrea ah,
17:00 wizzyrea keep looking down in the file
17:00 fALSO_ but... i use those credentials there
17:00 fALSO_ and theres no error
17:00 wizzyrea there are several, the right one is the last one
17:00 fALSO_ i submit. and it shows the form again
17:01 fALSO_ AH OK
17:01 wizzyrea that one's for zebra
17:01 wizzyrea :)
17:01 fALSO_ the same that i used for mysql ?
17:01 wizzyrea exactly
17:01 fALSO_ ah ok!
17:01 fALSO_ it should say that on the form
17:01 wizzyrea which instructions were you looking at?
17:01 wizzyrea (so I can fix it)
17:02 fALSO_ Welcome to the Koha Web Installer
17:02 fALSO_ Before we begin, please verify you have the correct credentials to continue. Please log in with the username and password given to you by your systems administrator and located in your koha-conf.xml configuration file.
17:02 fALSO_ Please enter your username and password:
17:02 wizzyrea well, we dont actually want to tell people that :P
17:02 fALSO_ ok
17:02 fALSO_ its a bit hard to understand
17:02 fALSO_ i went to check that file... and the first user that i found was that zebrastripes hehe
17:02 wizzyrea yea, *that* could be improved I thin
17:02 wizzyrea think*
17:03 wizzyrea afk just a min
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17:07 wizzyrea fALSO_: did you do your install with packages
17:07 fALSO_ all the deps yes
17:07 fALSO_ and downloaded the tar.gz
17:07 fALSO_ of koha
17:07 wizzyrea oooo okies
17:07 wizzyrea that's not the usual way but it seems to have worked for you :)
17:07 wizzyrea oh, wait
17:08 wizzyrea sorry, understanding fail
17:08 wizzyrea you mean you installed your dependencies using the packages, and used the tarball to install. Gotya.
17:08 wizzyrea which is exactly what you said but not what I read.
17:09 gaetan_B bye #koha have a nice week end!
17:10 fALSO_ :)
17:11 * jcamins_away is a homeowner!
17:11 * wizzyrea cheers
17:11 wizzyrea YAY!
17:12 kf YAY
17:12 kf time for the weekend :)
17:12 kf bye #koha
17:12 jcamins_away I am OHSOGLAD to be done with that.
17:12 jcamins_away Bye kf.
17:15 oleonard Congratulations jcamins_away
17:15 wizzyrea that really is so exciting.
17:15 fALSO_ well
17:15 fALSO_ got it working!!!!
17:15 wizzyrea YAY!
17:15 fALSO_ just to tell you guys
17:15 jcamins_away It is exciting. And totally anticlimactic.
17:15 fALSO_ i work at a university
17:15 fALSO_ and the library is thinking about using koha
17:16 wizzyrea very cool :)
17:16 wizzyrea jcamins: I suspect it's just not real yet
17:16 fALSO_ i was just testing out the EASYNESS of installing/getting it to work
17:16 fALSO_ and it was pretty easy
17:16 fALSO_ once i found the "CORRECT SITE" :)
17:16 wizzyrea hehe
17:16 jcamins_away wizzyrea: yeah, but the closing was just... blah. Sit in a room for an hour and sign papers.
17:17 fALSO_ thanks for the help
17:17 jcamins_away Then they through a large pile of keys at you, two pounds of paper, and you're done.
17:17 fALSO_ im going to stick around for a while
17:17 wizzyrea but now you get to go to your new house, walk in and say "this is mine"
17:17 jcamins_away True.
17:17 jcamins_away After I've told everyone I know online, I'm going to do just that. ;)
17:17 wizzyrea reminds me of the day I paid off my car
17:18 jcamins_away Probably exactly the same.
17:18 jcamins_away All that anticipation, and all they're doing is giving you a bunch of papers to sign?
17:18 oleonard Does signing your own name feel weird now, like saying a word too many times?
17:19 jcamins oleonard: lol.
17:19 jcamins oleonard: we'll find out when I go to the bank and sign my name to get into our safety deposit box.
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17:23 eternalsword my changes to get Fellowship One integrated with koha is up at  I am still waiting on a production-level API key from Fellowship One, so we'll see what they say.
17:27 wizzyrea eternalsword: that is awesome. Is F1a proprietary solution?
17:28 wizzyrea I was just wondering about whether there *were* church membership applications that are opensource.
17:28 wizzyrea because in some ways, the values of open source would coincide with the values of religious institutions.
17:29 jcamins wizzyrea: how's that?
17:30 wizzyrea depending on your religion of course, sharing, openness
17:30 wizzyrea doing good for others
17:30 * jcamins saw "wouldn't"
17:30 wizzyrea oh. :)
17:30 wizzyrea no, not what I meant
17:31 jcamins :)
17:31 jcamins My wife uses a transparent background on her terminal.
17:31 jcamins When positioned over a white window, the white text is kind of hard to read.
17:32 jcamins Shari rarely uses the terminal.
17:36 eternalsword F1 is proprietary.  It's difficult to find one that isn't proprietary, which I think is quite odd.
17:37 eternalsword I'm just glad they at least have an API
17:47 wizzyrea *nod*
17:48 wizzyrea other values that might be relevant, community, cooperation
17:54 chris_n here we are moving toward kuali for our financial, etc. backend
17:54 chris_n having messed with civicrm a bit
17:55 chris_n but kuali fits the higher ed paradigm better
17:55 chris_n civicrm has potential, though as a strictly membership app
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18:08 trea o/
18:08 wizzyrea \o
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18:10 trea so when a community ticket is marked as "RESOLVED FIXED" which branch is that getting applied to?
18:10 trea as compared to the "Pushed to Stable/Master" statuses
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18:11 trea perhaps cait will know ;)
18:11 jcamins trea: whichever the last version listed in the bug is.
18:12 jcamins trea: and RESOLVED-FIXED means that it's been tested.
18:12 trea but not applied to a branch?
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18:12 trea or pushed i guess i should say
18:12 cait huh?
18:12 wizzyrea I think she means the last testing
18:12 wizzyrea the post-apply testing
18:12 wizzyrea "yes, this is fixed"
18:13 wizzyrea "and it's everywhere it needs to be"
18:13 wizzyrea s/everywhere/applied everywhere/
18:13 jcamins trea: no, pushed to whichever relevant branches.
18:13 * jcamins prefers "he"
18:13 Shane-S who wrote the /opac-tmpl/prog/en/js/google-jackets.js I am trying to understand what it is doing
18:13 trea okay so bug 5358:
18:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5358 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, julian.maurice, RESOLVED FIXED, keep track of cancelled orders
18:14 trea means it's pushed to 3.8?
18:14 wizzyrea right
18:14 trea and has been tested since it was pushed?
18:14 wizzyrea yes
18:14 trea okay
18:14 trea that makes a certain sense
18:14 magnus_afk Shane-S: you can see the history of that file here:[…]cd9563004;hb=HEAD
18:14 rangi trea: it used to mean it had gone out in a release
18:15 rangi not sure if it still does
18:15 trea i guess ultimately that's what i need to be able to divine from this rangi
18:15 rangi the way i do that
18:15 jcamins rangi: I don't think so. The release manager says "this patch has been pushed. Please test and close."
18:15 jcamins But Master is only released every six months.
18:15 rangi cd misc/release_notes/
18:16 rangi grep "bugnumber" *
18:16 wizzyrea think of it like bug report -> patch -> signoff -> QA -> master inclusion -> consideration for inclusion in prior releases -> inclusion in prior release -> testing of both -> close bug
18:16 magnus_afk i think some things are marked resolved fixed shortly after they are pushed, when someone has chekced it works in master
18:16 rangi chris_n is very good about putting all the bug numbers he has released
18:16 jcamins magnus_afk: that's what I meant.
18:16 rangi so you can find if its in a stable release
18:17 nengard question: what's the table where the authority records and the bib records are matched up together?
18:17 trea agreed rangi -  i was actually just grepping against his git logs to verify inclusion for whatever version of stable
18:17 nengard or how are bibs and authorities linked?
18:18 wizzyrea the release notes are a good place to look for that
18:18 jcamins nengard: there is no table.
18:18 jcamins nengard: it's all in MARC.
18:18 jcamins nengard: consider testing bug 7284 if you want the linking to work.
18:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
18:18 nengard oh okay
18:19 cait um
18:19 cait waht is the question abou tthe acq bug?
18:20 jcamins cait: trea was using it as an example.
18:21 trea i was?
18:21 trea oh that
18:21 trea yea
18:21 trea we were discussing ticket statuses
18:21 trea the original question cait was "so when a community ticket is marked as "RESOLVED FIXED" which branch is that getting applied to?"
18:21 cait aah
18:21 cait nowadays
18:21 cait that is hard to tell
18:22 trea since we need to be able to track bugs that are pushed to stable AND pushed to master
18:23 trea i'd really love to be able to produce a hitlist that says, "these bugs are fixed in stable, any customers thusly affected can now be upgraded to latest stable."
18:23 jcamins My rule of thumb is that it's in every version from master back to the version specified on the bug.
18:23 jcamins trea: release notes?
18:23 wahanui release notes are in misc/release_notes
18:23 trea that's one way to skin it
18:23 trea sure
18:24 trea but are there release notes for master?
18:24 trea why would there be - it's not done cooking
18:24 jcamins trea: if the bug is marked resolved, if it existed in master, it's been fixed.
18:24 trea so, it seems like grepping directly against the git logs is probably the best bet perhaps
18:24 jcamins trea: well, yeah, that's what I do, but I was looking for other options for you.
18:24 * chris_n has a script which will parse the git log for any branch and produce a list of bugs applied there
18:24 wizzyrea ^^^^
18:24 trea <3
18:24 trea i love you
18:25 trea *crickets*
18:25 wizzyrea o/*\o HIGHFIVE
18:25 chris_n its "hidden" in here:[…]cd6fe703b;hb=HEAD
18:25 chris_n you'll have to modify it to taste
18:26 * chris_n will have to look to see if that is the current rev he is using to produce release notes
18:26 * jcamins heads out to run errands and stuff.
18:26 jcamins Homeowner-y errands!
18:27 chris_n be aware that greping bug numbers from commit messages is an art and not a science
18:27 chris_n since the commit messages are human generated
18:27 Shane-S[…]cd9563004;hb=HEAD   I don't understand why line 58-63 are not in the source code, where is that code "appended" (I don't know JS much)
18:28 wizzyrea stupid humans
18:28 wizzyrea ;)
18:28 wizzyrea er, inconsistent humans!~
18:28 Shane-S source code of the Html i should say
18:28 chris_n lol
18:29 chris_n so that looks to be a current version of what I use for release notes trae
18:29 chris_n trea rather
18:29 trea right o
18:29 chris_n you could easily hack it up to produce a simple list of bugs contained in branch foo
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18:41 rangi
18:43 oleonard Neat
18:44 Shane-S can I submit proposed changes to somewhere without git? I don't know enough of the code to really make code changes, just suggestions
18:45 Shane-S so like I notice there is no unique class that is consistent for images, I would assume this can be changed in the JS...but I don't understand the JS so I can't make code changes
18:46 Shane-S reason being, when an image is not working, I have to view the HTML source to tell if it is Amazon, Google, OpenLibrary, etc. I would like to customize each to have a background image and specific height (maybe border color too) so I and user can know where the cover is from
18:47 Shane-S Then concern 2 is the Google "No Image Available" has its own element level styling, which is not good, that should be in the main CSS so a user can over-ride it with the document level CSS from the admin screen
18:49 oleonard Shane-S: If you can't bring yourself to use git, perhaps you can investigate ways to create patches some other way?
18:50 Shane-S oleonard: I would use git...if I had a spare system to try and mess with it, but then my coding skills suck...I can't make sense of that JS file very well
18:50 Shane-S so, aside from what comes through in the HTML I am at a loss
18:53 oleonard So perhaps you can investigate ways to create patches some other way?
18:54 oleonard for instance, the Windows program WinMerge can create a patch based on two different version of a file. That might go some way towards making it easier for someone to test your changes
18:56 Shane-S oleonard: I guess what I am saying is I don't know "where" to make the correct changes, I am taking guesses based on my VERY limited knowledge of JS, I basically know HTML/CSS (some PHP/MYSQL), JS I can fumble through basics.
18:56 oleonard Ah, well then at this point maybe the best you can do is file a bug with suggested changes
18:58 wizzyrea ^^
18:58 wizzyrea bugzilla?
18:58 wahanui somebody said bugzilla was found at
19:00 Shane-S I am pretty sure it is line 58 in the JS file should be moved to the CSS main file to allow a user over-ride, what stops that no where do I see that output in the HTML (assuming in memory as it is a JS file). I will add a bug, but wish I wasn't adding to someone else's job
19:01 Shane-S ie ... I wanna fix it, but it like a junior pilot asking to fly an spaceship....just not a smart idea :P
19:01 Shane-S I will have to see if I can get a VM setup at home and try and use git and play
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19:10 wizzyrea meh, lol, we were all junior pilots once.
19:10 wizzyrea version control using git?
19:10 wahanui version control using git is at[…]Control_Using_Git
19:10 wizzyrea for you, Shane-S
19:13 * sekjal just lost a good hour of his life to IE
19:15 oleonard What kind of requirements are you working under sekjal?
19:16 sekjal librarian here was trying to embed a flash object in a page,and it won't load in IE
19:16 sekjal traced it out to a problem with the way IE handles the <object> tag
19:16 oleonard IE + Flash, double trouble
19:16 sekjal yet, oddly enough, if it's 64-bit IE9, the problem goes away.  32-bit IE9 fails
19:17 sekjal the answer, in the end, is not to use this Flash object
19:17 sekjal since in the end, it's just a link
19:17 oleonard 64-bit IE9, for when you want to surf the web in a *powerfully* bad browser
19:17 sekjal literally, there is no media in the object, it just contains a link to another page
19:19 wizzyrea @quote add oleonard: 64-bit IE9, for when you want to surf the web in a *powerfully* bad browser.
19:19 huginn wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
19:19 sekjal @quote add oleonard: 64-bit IE9, for when you want to surf the web in a *powerfully* bad browser.
19:19 huginn sekjal: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
19:19 wizzyrea @quote get 23
19:19 sekjal I thought I *was*....
19:19 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg huginn register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009)
19:20 moodaepo bag: Just read the scroll back and your dog's name is Aloo? That is hilarious && awesome!
19:20 wizzyrea hmmm huginn isn't answering
19:21 sekjal wizzyrea:  huginn knows what you're trying to do, and will have none of it
19:21 wizzyrea he likes IE
19:21 * wizzyrea glares at huginn.
19:22 sekjal perhaps that case sensitive string is on a black-list
19:22 wizzyrea sekjal: can you register with him? I can't get him to answer at all.
19:22 wizzyrea ping gmcharlt - I think huginn has had a stroke
19:24 sekjal @quote add oleonard: 64-bit IE9, for when you want to surf the web in a *powerfully* bad browser.
19:24 huginn sekjal: The operation succeeded.  Quote #188 added.
19:24 sekjal yup, I can haz registration
19:24 wizzyrea awesome :)
19:25 Shane-S Bug 7594
19:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7594 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Google Cover CSS suggestions
19:25 Shane-S Explained as best I could
19:27 cait Shane-S++
19:28 Shane-S what does that do?
19:28 cait giving you good karma
19:28 cait for filing your first bug :)
19:28 oleonard @karma Shane-S
19:28 huginn oleonard: Karma for "Shane-S" has been increased 3 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 3.
19:29 cait @karma
19:29 huginn cait: Highest karma: "rangi" (516), "oleonard" (443), and "wizzyrea" (301).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-73), and "-" (-43).  You (cait) are ranked 6 out of 1970.
19:29 Shane-S lol thanks :) , question I see the highlighting JS, but again weak with it, when does highlighting occur for the OPAC search?
19:29 oleonard What do you mean by when?
19:30 cait I think on loading the page probably?
19:30 wizzyrea it's CSS isn't it?
19:30 Shane-S well when I hover, no-highlighting, what makes it happen
19:30 cait wizzyrea: js mostly I think
19:30 wizzyrea wait, which highlighting
19:30 cait your search terms in the search
19:30 cait it looks for htat
19:30 cait and hightlights them (makes them stand out) on the search results
19:31 cait it's not like marking text manually, automatic highlighting the words from the search
19:31 Shane-S ah, okay, I thought it highlighed the row
19:31 Shane-S as I want to play with making the results (not details ...yet) page tableless and CSS based
19:32 Shane-S and someone mentioned (think it was oleonard ) that the JS might be an issue
19:32 Shane-S it is isn't doing the row, then hopefully it shouldn't break it..I have to see if I can read it better
19:33 oleonard Shane-S: Doesn't sound to me like JS would be an issue for that.
19:34 Shane-S okay I will play with it, I have it semi-mapped out, I just have to mess with the CSS ideas next :P
19:35 Shane-S might allow for a simple right/left switch of the images just via float:right/left
19:36 Shane-S if my evil CSS plan works anyway :D
19:36 wizzyrea :)
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20:13 rangi ok, off to take the kids to the carnival
20:13 rangi bbl
20:13 wizzyrea have fun :)
20:13 cait have fun :)
20:13 jcamins_away Enjoy.
20:13 cait wizzyrea++ you know what for
20:13 * cait bounces
20:13 wizzyrea I do?
20:14 wizzyrea OH
20:14 wizzyrea LOL
20:14 wizzyrea yes.
20:14 wizzyrea you're welcome.
20:14 * jcamins_away doesn't know.
20:15 chris_n maybe because your supposed to be away ;-)
20:16 oleonard Hm, git-bz didn't like that patch
20:16 chris_n why do I think "git bug-zapper" when I see git-bz?
20:16 wizzyrea yea I thought you were supposed to be doing homeowner things.
20:17 wizzyrea which patch?
20:17 wahanui which patch are we talking about?
20:17 chris_n the one with pink and purple polka-dots
20:18 oleonard Ah, because my patch is 15MB :D That'll teach me to try to move js and css directories around.
20:18 wizzyrea ohh yea
20:18 wizzyrea bz doesn't like big ones like that
20:18 oleonard I think it's Bugzilla that is doing the complaining actually.
20:18 wizzyrea that's what I meant
20:18 * oleonard got Bugzilla HTML spat back at him
20:19 jcamins_away I am on the bus.
20:20 cait jcamins_away: nap? :)
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20:24 jcamins_away There's an irate rider on this bus. Like, dangerously irate.
20:24 wizzyrea :(
20:24 wizzyrea get off?
20:24 wizzyrea probably not practical
20:24 jcamins_away Express bus.
20:24 wizzyrea oof
20:26 jcamins_away And a commuter bus, so there won't be another for a while.
20:26 wizzyrea yikes.
20:27 jcamins_away I should have taken the other bus.
20:27 oleonard If someone wants to grab it from Gitorious a fresh attempt at Bug 4048 is available for testing
20:27 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4048 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , CSS and JS libs must be outside of translated paths
20:28 jcamins_away Thank goodness. He stormed off.
20:34 sekjal cait++
20:35 cait huh?
20:37 sekjal for bug 7576
20:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7576 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Passed QA , Add ISSN to SearchForTitleIn
20:37 cait rangi helped :)
20:37 sekjal rangi++, too
20:38 sekjal and magnuse++ for signoff
20:38 cait yep
20:38 cait magnuse++ and rangi++
20:39 cait so do I pass qa? :)
20:39 cait oh i do! yay!
20:40 jcamins_away cait++
20:50 chris_n HP's sales reps stink
20:50 * wizzyrea revises
20:50 wizzyrea sales reps stink.
20:58 oleonard Seriously, non-English-speaking Koha users, you guys should be complaining more :P
20:58 cait ll
20:58 cait lol
20:58 cait it got a lot better
20:58 cait why should we be complaining this time?
20:59 oleonard English in JavaScript
20:59 oleonard If Koha were speaking a foreign language to American librarians they would be howling about it
20:59 cait yeah
20:59 wizzyrea ^^
21:00 cait :)
21:01 cait I always amazed at the libraries
21:01 cait they hardly complain about anything - not even real stupid typos
21:02 wizzyrea you know why that is
21:02 wizzyrea because they've never felt that they can change the software
21:02 wizzyrea the software is how it is, and there's nothing they can do
21:02 cait hm
21:03 wizzyrea i.e. it's a big black box
21:03 cait in a sad way
21:03 cait that makes sense
21:03 wizzyrea of course it drives us nuts because we can fix it
21:03 wizzyrea :)
21:04 wizzyrea (my librarians are pretty awesome... they point stuff like that out when they see it)
21:04 wizzyrea (because they know they can change it, because I act for them)
21:04 cait hm
21:05 wizzyrea (and then show them that it has been done, by update or whatever)
21:05 cait yeah, perhaps we will get there :)
21:05 cait perhaps takes a while
21:05 wizzyrea i.e. "here are the things relevant to you that were fixed by this update"
21:05 wizzyrea it does
21:05 wizzyrea librarians aren't used to their ILS being responsive
21:06 cait wizzyrea++
21:06 wizzyrea "I wish it did..." "hey, it does... now"
21:06 wizzyrea not "i wish it did..." <wait a long time> "I wish it did..."
21:07 cait :)
21:07 wizzyrea cait++ for many things unacknowledged
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21:17 cait hi talljoy
21:17 talljoy hi cait!
21:17 cait :)
21:17 talljoy i'm bouncing all over today.
21:18 oleonard jcamins_away: Away?
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21:35 oleonard Bye #koha
21:35 wizzyrea later!
21:39 sekjal interesting... I wonder where they pull in their stats...[…]
21:39 sekjal compare to to
21:42 wizzyrea hmmmm
21:44 sekjal alrighty, time for weekendery.  night, #koha
21:44 wizzyrea later ;)
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21:59 aarkerio hi! if I get " utf8 \xC3 does not map to Unicode " when I am using
22:00 aarkerio still the record is saved in the database?
22:04 wizzyrea whoa, no clue.
22:04 wizzyrea and it's friday, only us US mid-and-westerners left
22:06 jcamins_away aarkerio: you have a MARC-8 encoded record.
22:06 wizzyrea and... jcamins, apparently ;)
22:07 jcamins_away _away!
22:07 jcamins_away :)
22:07 aarkerio I created the records my $record = MARC::Record->new();
22:08 jcamins_away aarkerio: the encoding was apparently MARC-8.
22:09 aarkerio I will add: $record->encoding( 'UTF-8' );
22:09 aarkerio and rerun my script
22:09 aarkerio thx!
22:11 jcamins_away aarkerio: or just import as MARC-8.
22:11 jcamins_away aarkerio: wait, you're using bulkmarcimport. Never mind.
22:13 cait night all
22:13 wizzyrea good night
22:14 jcamins_away Good night.
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