IRC log for #koha, 2012-02-21

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00:10 rangi mveron++
00:10 rangi looks good
00:11 mveron rangi: Thanks. It took some time to figure it out but I learned a lot about koha :-)
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00:21 ky Hi, I'm a newcomer to using Koha, to catalog my organisations various technical libraries. I have generated a batch of MARC records from various institutions using Z39.50 and imported these records into Koha using the record import tool. On completion of import, I am able to click on the bibilo records and view them correctly. However, reading through the documentation, on clicking on the "Cataloguing' link to, Should be able to see the impor
00:21 ky ted records in the "reservoir"?
00:24 rangi not if you imported them fully into your catalogue
00:24 rangi the reservoir is where they sit until they are added to the catalogue
00:24 rangi so if you just stage them (in the web interface)
00:24 rangi or do some z3950 searches in the web interface, they will end up in the reservoir
00:25 ky I see, thank you.
00:25 rangi if you use from the command line, or stage and then complete in the web, they end up in the catalogue proper
00:25 ky From the catalog search interface, is there a way to search for all records?
00:25 rangi nope
00:25 rangi but you can from reports
00:25 rangi depending on your records (if they are english)
00:25 rangi searching on a
00:25 rangi as keyword
00:25 rangi will most likely get all
00:26 rangi (theres usually an a at least somewhere in a marc record :))
00:26 rangi or
00:26 ky Nice, that works
00:26 ky Is there a simple way to delete all the records so I can start again?
00:27 rangi you have access to the commandline?
00:27 ky yes
00:27 rangi in misc/migration_tools/
00:27 rangi there is a script
00:27 rangi running it with -d
00:27 rangi will delete all records
00:29 ky Great.
00:29 ky Thanks you for your help
00:29 rangi no worries
00:29 ky That was really poor english.
00:29 ky Thank you for your help.
00:29 rangi i knew what you meant :)
00:36 rangi[…]-modest-proposal/  :)
00:36 ky Do you have any experience with the OAI-PMH implementation?
00:36 rangi nope
00:37 rangi you have found the manual eh?
00:37 rangi not sure if its any help
00:37 ky yes and no
00:37 rangi
00:37 rangi there is also this
00:37 rangi  <-- lots of other docs here
00:37 rangi beware its written by coders tho :)
00:38 ky Haha, much better for me, thanks
00:38 ky Coder by trade.
00:38 rangi its machine generated from the POD in the files, so should be nice and up to date (hopefully)
00:39 ky Looks like a case of just giving it a go. Thankfully Koha is more polished than most open source software.
00:39 rangi its been round a while, we are slowly polishing it :)
00:52 mveron Bye everybody
01:18 ky Thanks again for the help rangi. Have a nice day.
01:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #79 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #50 4 mo. 15 j ago)
01:18 rangi wth
01:19 rangi is chris_n still working?
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01:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.4.x build #79: STILL UNSTABLE in 36 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.4.x/79/
01:54 jenkins_koha chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for 21 Feb 2012 01:08:17 Z
02:37 * Space_Librarian 's brain asplode
02:37 rangi ?
02:40 Space_Librarian inconsistent data mapping means we need to sort out how to catalogue the new articles... etc etc.
02:40 rangi ahh
02:40 Space_Librarian and keep them uniform
02:40 rangi yup
02:40 Space_Librarian and then retrospectively update the old articles.
02:40 rangi *nod*
02:40 Space_Librarian yep.
02:41 Space_Librarian With panicked staff.
02:41 * Space_Librarian eats a Belgian chocolate
02:41 rangi ah yeah that bit is the kicker
02:42 Space_Librarian always.
02:42 ibeardslee the chocolate will help
02:43 Space_Librarian not yet it's not.
02:43 Space_Librarian If I didn't have the half marathon on Sunday, there would be Caol Ila...
02:44 ibeardslee oh nice .. /me is just doing the 7k
02:44 rangi im eating cakes and laughing at both of you
02:44 Space_Librarian I'm walking the 21k - aiming for sub-3 hours
02:44 Space_Librarian And rangi - I need somebody to do that for me. :)
02:44 rangi :)
02:45 eythian yeah, I think I'm going to sleep in on Sunday.
02:45 Space_Librarian after a long, fun night on Saturday, eythian?
02:45 eythian No, I think Saturday is going to be quiet.
02:46 Space_Librarian my saturday will probably involve cricket. If the weather is fine.
02:47 eythian I will have training in the morning, after that I might watch movies perhaps. Read a book or something. Stuff like that.
02:48 Space_Librarian ah. lazy weekends...
02:49 eythian this weekend past was very busy, so I need something to balance it out.
02:50 Space_Librarian *nods*
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03:30 Amit_Gupta heya bag
03:30 bag yo Amit_Gupta
04:02 Space_Librarian peace out! :)
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04:07 ky Hi, I was hoping to get some help enabling the OAI-PMH interface?
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05:41 Amit_Gupta heya cait good morning
05:41 cait hi Amit_Gupta
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06:16 Amit_Gupta heya cait
06:17 cait hi again Amit_Gupta
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07:37 alex_a bonjour #koha
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07:44 reiveune hello
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07:47 mveron Good morning everybody
07:48 * mveron Would like to have some of the strng coffe at mbalmers office...
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07:51 cait morning mveron
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07:53 mbalmer morning.
07:53 mbalmer mveron, you can alway come by ;)
07:53 mbalmer (but I am not there today)
07:54 mveron morning cait.
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07:58 mveron cait: Bug 7563 - Silent print slips using Firefox PlugIn jsPrintSetup and new staff client preference
07:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7563 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Silent print slips using Firefox PlugIn jsPrintSetup and new staff client preference
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08:09 magnuse kia ora #koha
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08:11 asaurat hi
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08:15 paul_p good morning #koha
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08:19 kf hi #koha
08:21 asaurat hi kf!
08:21 kf hi asaurat .)
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09:15 mveron kf: I'm not sure you saw the message, I filed a bug (enhancement) with my solution for silent printing slips, Bug 7563
09:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7563 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Silent print slips using Firefox PlugIn jsPrintSetup and new staff client preference
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11:38 slef hi all
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11:40 slef @query debian SRW
11:40 huginn slef: No results for "debian SRW."
11:40 slef anyone know why the debian packages don't have publicserver SRW enabled?
11:40 slef port contention or another reason?
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12:48 janPasi hmm... "It works!"
12:49 janPasi obviously it doesn't ;D
12:49 janPasi there's something I need to do with apache config, but what?
12:49 janPasi I installed koha on Debian Squeeze following these instructions:[…]on_Debian_Squeeze
12:51 janPasi Here's the contents of my koha-sites.conf:
12:51 janPasi DOMAIN=""
12:51 janPasi INTRAPORT="80"
12:51 janPasi INTRAPREFIX=""
12:51 janPasi INTRASUFFIX="-intra"
12:52 janPasi DOMAIN...
12:52 janPasi in the instructions it starts with a dot
12:53 janPasi I don't have that dot there
12:53 janPasi how is this meant to work?
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12:57 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6193 follow-up of the follow-up = reindentation only <[…]409262c68a5c2f9ae> / Bug 6193 - Follow up: use SetEnv and remove memcached from koha-conf.xml <[…]ba01daf01ba56674e>
12:58 chris_n @later tell rangi reverted 7238 and will revert 6299 as well
12:58 huginn chris_n: The operation succeeded.
13:03 jenkins_koha Starting build #38 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:03 jenkins_koha Starting build #80 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #50 4 mo. 15 j ago)
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13:10 kf chris_n: saw my messages?
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13:29 oleonard Hi #koha
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13:33 paul_p 'morning  chris_n & oleonard
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13:42 slef janPasi: sounds like you're getting the default site when you want the koha site. A crude fix is "a2dissite default"
13:42 slef janPasi: koha doesn't disable the default site by default so as not to mess up people's existing websites when they want koha on a new namevirtualhost
13:44 janPasi i got it fixed already :)
13:44 janPasi but thanks anyway slef
13:47 * paul_p switches once again to "QAing" mode... (ordered by date changed desc)
13:48 slef janPasi: :-/
13:49 janPasi slef: ?
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13:52 slef janPasi: could have mentioned you'd fixed it.
13:57 janPasi well i just got it working
13:58 janPasi by playing with koha-sites.conf
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14:00 janPasi the missing dot from the beginning of the DOMAIN variable was indeed the problem
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14:12 chris_n kf: I did, thanks
14:13 chris_n paul_p: 7283 was already reverted, thanks
14:18 oleonard I see, my fix for Bug 3215 is conflicting with the commit which created a new include for the OPAC detail pages...
14:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3215 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Patch doesn't apply , It would be nice if "Add to Cart" changed to "Remove from Cart"
14:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.4.x build #80: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 h 15 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.4.x/80/
14:18 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Revert "Bug 7238 - make packages deal with SIP config"
14:18 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Revert "Bug 7238 : Shifting SIPconfig.xml to the etc dir and the scripts to misc/bin"
14:18 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Revert "Bug 7238 Followup - fix sip_run to require path to SIPconfig.xml"
14:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7238 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , move SIPconfig.xml, sip_run and sip_shutdown outside from C4 (NOT FOR 3.6)
14:19 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #38: SUCCESS in 1 h 15 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.6.x/38/
14:19 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Revert "Bug 7238 - make packages deal with SIP config"
14:19 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Revert "Bug 7238 : Shifting SIPconfig.xml to the etc dir and the scripts to misc/bin"
14:19 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Revert "Bug 7238 Followup - fix sip_run to require path to SIPconfig.xml"
14:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #637 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:22 chris_n its been a rather reverting morning thus far
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14:33 kf but jenkins is still happy :)
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14:54 oleonard Is Bug 4048 still a worthwhile goal, or are some people hoping that JS will someday be processed by the translator?
14:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4048 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , CSS and JS libs must be outside of translated paths
14:55 kf oleonard: good question
14:56 oleonard It seems like we might be talking about two categories: CSS and JS which don't include strings and some JS which does
14:56 kf I think having libraries like yui/jquery in a central place makes sense
14:56 kf we don't want to change those
14:56 kf koha's own javascript scripts - I am not sure
14:57 kf I don't see translation for those being done
14:57 kf and we have implemented translation in the templates in a lot of places now
14:57 kf which is nice, because you have all things in one place
14:57 kf and it's even easier to do with tt
14:58 kf oh, and I think css could be central too
15:01 * oleonard is going to take it to the devel list
15:02 kf probably a good idea
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15:15 hdl js libraries should definitely not be in the translation path.
15:16 hdl even though some strings could require translation. But then, we could have some js/strings or ...
15:20 * wizzyrea waves
15:21 oleonard Hi wizzyrea
15:21 wizzyrea how goes it
15:24 oleonard Just looking for trouble, you know.
15:27 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #637: SUCCESS in 1 h 8 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/637/
15:27 jenkins_koha * tomascohen: Bug 6193 - Follow up: use SetEnv and remove memcached from koha-conf.xml
15:27 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 6193 follow-up of the follow-up = reindentation only
15:27 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6193 enhancement, P3, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , Use memcached cache koha-conf.xml configuration variables
15:33 jcamins oleonard: you're looking for trouble?
15:33 jcamins I have good news!
15:34 jcamins Bug 7284 can be very troublesome!
15:34 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
15:34 jcamins :D
15:34 oleonard I'll say :P
15:36 * chris_n has a boatload of trouble to share :)
15:37 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #39: SUCCESS in 1 h 3 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.6.x/39/
15:37 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Revert "Updating Version Number to"
15:37 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Revert "Updating Version Number to"
15:37 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Reverting Enh 6299
15:37 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Revert "Bug 6299 - add es-ES"
15:37 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Revert "Bug 6299 Add relator codes for fr-FR"
15:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6299 enhancement, P3, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Provide a list of authorized values for relator terms
15:37 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Revert "Bug 6299 - Provide a list of authorized values for Relator terms"
15:37 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Updating Version Number to
15:37 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for 21 Feb 2012 14:26:00 Z
15:37 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Fixing release notes to reflect reverted status of several Enh
15:37 * jcamins looks at his watch, looks at his phone, looks at the clock, and mutters imprecations against real estate lawyers.
15:38 chris_n this is cool:
15:39 jcamins chris_n: what?
15:39 jcamins chris_n: how is "about:blank" not valid? (also, why did you provide a tinyurl to about:blank?
15:40 chris_n stupid tinyurl
15:40 chris_n om
15:40 chris_n[…]aCIHlTg&vq=medium
15:41 chris_n that is, if you enjoy marching bands
15:42 * oleonard will brb
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15:55 wizzyrea oleonard, was it you that added opacusercss?
15:55 wizzyrea and intranetusercss
15:57 oleonard I don't know who added opacusercss. kf added intranetusercss
15:57 wizzyrea AHA
15:57 * wizzyrea cuddles up to kf
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15:58 druthb g'mornin!
15:58 oleonard You'll have to wait for her to come back wizzyrea ;)
15:58 * wizzyrea cuddles up to the invisible presence of kf
15:58 * druthb joins wizzyrea and kf in the cuddle-pile.
15:58 oleonard Funny, people tell me I'm creepy when I say that kind of thing :P
15:59 wizzyrea no, but seriously, I just wanted to investigate the possibility of "noticecss" and "slipcss" as preferences
15:59 wizzyrea but it can wait.
15:59 druthb chris_n:  about?
16:00 druthb @seen chris_n
16:00 huginn druthb: chris_n was last seen in #koha 19 minutes and 25 seconds ago: <chris_n> that is, if you enjoy marching bands
16:00 oleonard Bug 3381 added intranetusercss if you want to examine the patch wizzyrea
16:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3381 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, katrin.fischer, RESOLVED FIXED, Add an IntranetUserCSS system preference
16:01 wizzyrea thanks oleonard
16:01 wizzyrea very much :)
16:02 oleonard Sorry jcamins, 7284 doesn't apply anymore :(
16:02 jcamins oleonard: again!?!
16:02 jcamins oleonard: five minutes.
16:03 jcamins paul_p: I can't keep up with you!
16:03 jcamins oleonard: maybe ten, since the VM has to start up.
16:03 paul_p jcamins sorry ?
16:03 jcamins paul_p: you keep on pushing things to master. :)
16:03 paul_p lol :D
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16:05 jcamins oleonard: maybe fifteen minutes. There appears to be a firewall blocking my git fetch. :(
16:05 * oleonard curses git-blocking firewalls
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16:06 reiveune bye
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16:10 jcamins oleonard: 8 minutes.
16:11 jcamins oleonard: all ready for your sign-off. :)
16:12 druthb hm.
16:13 jcamins bug 7535
16:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7535 minor, P5 - low, ---, ruth, Pushed to Master , OPAC displays ampersands incorrectly.
16:13 druthb @later tell chris_n the patch for Bug 7535 should apply cleanly to 3.6.x, and your putting it there for 3.6.4 would be super-nifty-wonderful, and close many issues for me.  Please and thank you!
16:13 huginn druthb: The operation succeeded.
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16:22 oleonard jcamins: After selecting an authority from the cataloging plugin I'm getting an error: "Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at /home/oleonard/kohaclone/authorit​ies/ line 80."
16:22 jcamins oleonard: yikes! That's bad.
16:22 jcamins I shall have to investigate that.
16:22 jcamins Let me call my paralegal, then I shall do that.
16:23 * oleonard is leaving at 12 so I may have to try again tomorrow
16:25 jcamins oleonard: aww. :(
16:28 kf hi jcamins :)
16:28 jcamins Hello.
16:30 slef anyone know why the debian packages don't have publicserver SRW enabled? port collision problem or something else?
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16:30 jcamins slef: I think just that the default Koha configuration didn't have it.
16:32 slef jcamins: they have it, but not enabled. The configs created by koha-common don't even have it. :-/
16:32 jcamins slef: oh, report a bug.
16:33 jcamins slef: it probably wasn't there yet when eythian last updated koha-conf.xml.
16:33 slef jcamins: I think I'll see if eythian arrives before I leave.
16:33 slef jcamins: nah, been there since 3.0 I think.
16:33 jcamins slef: oh, in that case, I don't know.
16:33 slef pretty sure used it
16:34 slef me either :) aren't we dumb?
16:34 jcamins slef: used /srv/
16:34 slef svc
16:34 jcamins That's what I meant.
16:34 slef but that doesn't search
16:34 jcamins I know /srv/ didn't look quite right.
16:34 slef SRW searched, I thought?
16:34 jcamins It looks a bit to Sun OS-y.
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16:35 jcamins slef: yeah, SRW is for searching.
16:35 slef SunOS: someone stole the E key when we ran mkdir.
16:35 jcamins lol
16:36 slef Argh! Need meds! must finish this task and then pop out!
16:36 hdl slef: i think in the oldtimes, socket were chosen for sake of security, and speed
16:36 hdl this is all.
16:36 kf slef: perhaps biblios used z39.50?
16:37 slef kf: never used it enough to be sure... but anyway, publicserver SRW seems like a nice option to have
16:38 jcamins slef: agreed.
16:38 kf srw means writing?
16:38 jcamins slef: <-- if you want to check what used.
16:38 kf I know my coworker is using sru for some things, that seems to work quite nicely when activated
16:38 kf oh nice
16:45 slef jcamins: nice.
16:45 slef kf: I may be confusing SRU and SRW
16:45 slef wahanui: SRU?
16:45 wahanui slef: wish i knew
16:45 kf slef: or it's me :)
16:45 slef wahanui: SRW?
16:45 wahanui slef: i haven't a clue
16:46 slef SRW is Search/Retrieve Web Service
16:46 slef doesn't sound like writing
16:46 jcamins SRU is Search/Retrieval via URL
16:46 jcamins SRU?
16:46 wahanui i heard SRU was Search/Retrieval via URL
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16:48 jenkins_koha Starting build #638 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:48 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7552 - Remove wrong line endings in NORMARC record.abs <[…]116d77be710dd88b0> / Bug 7454 Initialize return arrays in ILS/Transaction/RenewAll <[…]2f64c9e3fed602c8f> / Bug 5373 - allow 'cardnumber' to appear on the patron import field list <http://git.koha
16:50 slef jcamins: what's the difference between SRW and SRU?
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16:51 jcamins slef: actually, I'm not entirely sure.
16:52 jcamins slef: it's the API used.
16:54 jcamins slef: apparently.
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17:01 slef jcamins: SRW is SOAP
17:01 slef wahanui: SRW is also SOAP
17:01 wahanui okay, slef.
17:01 slef wahanui: SRU is also
17:01 wahanui okay, slef.
17:02 * wizzyrea gets a rare case of acronym overload
17:02 slef oh don't ask me what SOAP is
17:02 slef wahanui: what is SOAP?
17:02 wahanui i don't know, slef
17:02 slef Service Orientated Application Protocol at a guess
17:02 jcamins lol
17:03 wizzyrea I always thought it was the byproduct of saponified oil or fat
17:03 wizzyrea or what you get when hot fat meets lye
17:04 slef SOAP is Simple Object Access Protocol
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17:05 kf bye all :)
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17:06 jcamins wizzyrea: I can't replicate oleonard's problem, so you can safely carry on testing 7284. :)
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17:06 jcamins Wait... I was missing a few patches from master.
17:06 * jcamins tries again.
17:06 slef wizzyrea: oooh you'll like this:
17:07 slef wahanui: SRU is also SRU Record Update
17:07 wahanui okay, slef.
17:07 jcamins slef: seriously?
17:07 wizzyrea ...
17:07 slef jcamins:
17:07 * wizzyrea 's head explodes
17:07 jcamins Nope, still can't replicate.
17:07 wizzyrea recursive acronym is recursive
17:07 jcamins wizzyrea: carry on with your bug 7284 testing. :)
17:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
17:07 slef jcamins: have you seen a doctor?
17:08 * wizzyrea giggles
17:08 jcamins slef: lol
17:08 * wizzyrea imagines jcamins:[…]scientist.svg.png
17:10 jcamins wizzyrea: you finally got 700k authority records indexed... don't you want to test bug 7284 quickly before something changes and you have to reindex? :)
17:10 wizzyrea yes!
17:10 wizzyrea butialsowanttofinishthisthingi'mworkingon
17:11 slef wizzyrea: I was imaginging something a bit more, err, organic, but maybe I'm still scarred from thoughtlessly putting threeway into a web search.
17:11 jcamins 7284 is more fun.
17:11 jcamins 7284?
17:11 wahanui 7284 is more fun.
17:11 jcamins :)
17:11 wizzyrea hehe slef.
17:12 slef @quote 186
17:12 huginn slef: I've exhausted my database of quotes
17:12 slef @quote get 186
17:12 huginn slef: Quote #186: "trea: git-fu --tiger style /whooosh" (added by wizzyrea at 04:29 PM, February 02, 2012)
17:13 wizzyrea lolol
17:13 wizzyrea i love that one.
17:13 slef @quote get 185
17:13 huginn slef: Quote #185: "<wizzyrea> @quote get 23" (added by slef at 06:59 PM, January 30, 2012)
17:13 slef @quote get 23
17:13 huginn slef: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg huginn register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009)
17:13 slef @quote get 184
17:13 huginn slef: Quote #184: "slef: IF YOU STARE TOO DEEPLY INTO MARC21, MARC21 STARES BACK INTO YOU!" (added by wizzyrea at 06:58 PM, January 30, 2012)
17:13 wizzyrea there it is
17:13 slef ok, not many added since I last saw
17:14 wizzyrea best quotes?
17:14 wahanui 184, 186, 123, and anything that has to do with bacon.
17:15 wizzyrea @quote random
17:15 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #80: "<robin> heh thanks, that makes me seem a lot more edumacated :)" (added by gmcharlt at 01:54 AM, June 24, 2010)
17:15 jcamins @quote search bacon
17:15 huginn jcamins: 2 found: #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon..." and #17: "<wizzyrea> holy flaming bacon batman!"
17:15 jcamins @quote get 17
17:15 huginn jcamins: Quote #17: "<wizzyrea> holy flaming bacon batman!" (added by jdavidb at 09:40 PM, July 17, 2009)
17:15 jcamins @quote get 16
17:15 huginn jcamins: Quote #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon is to erm, use the belly of the hog (I think)" (added by chris at 09:37 PM, July 17, 2009)
17:15 wizzyrea @quote search batman
17:15 huginn wizzyrea: 2 found: #17: "<wizzyrea> holy flaming bacon batman!" and #38: "<owen> Holy Bugzilla activity explosion, Batman!"
17:16 wizzyrea maybe that should read "and anything that has to do with batman"
17:16 wizzyrea @quote search MARC
17:16 huginn wizzyrea: 5 found: #116: "slef: It's probably some corrupt mix of double-...", #136: "<sekjal> MARC. Must. Die!", #137: "sekjal: the data's in there... it's just MARC", #184: "slef: IF YOU STARE TOO DEEPLY INTO MARC21,...", and #4: "< kf> I often get asked: You have to study to..."
17:16 wizzyrea @quote get 4
17:16 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #4: "< kf> I often get asked: You have to study to be a librarian? perhaps MARC was invented to answer it ;)" (added by chris at 12:50 PM, June 12, 2009)
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17:19 jcamins @quote get 1
17:19 huginn jcamins: Quote #1: "<pianohacker> resolve, rather, I doubt it needs lotion" (added by gmcharlt at 03:05 AM, May 31, 2009)
17:19 slef @quote get 0
17:19 huginn slef: Error: There is no Quote with id #0 in my database for #koha.
17:19 slef @quote get -1
17:19 huginn slef: Error: There is no Quote with id #-1 in my database for #koha.
17:23 wizzyrea i'm taking a journey through the quote database with huginn in private, so many funny things
17:24 jcamins :)
17:24 jcamins You should share some of the highlights with the rest of us.
17:24 wizzyrea i will :)
17:25 wizzyrea @quote get 177
17:25 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #177: "oleonard: If Buck Rogers used IRC he'd put bip on Twiki and tell Twiki to never sleep." (added by wizzyrea at 04:43 PM, January 10, 2012)
17:26 wizzyrea @quote get 108
17:26 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #108: "<owen> As Pee-wee said, Everyone I know has a big 'but'" (added by druthb at 03:20 PM, November 30, 2010)
17:27 wizzyrea @quote get 113
17:27 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #113: "<jcamins> I merely opened my hands and allowed a butterfly to flutter its wings once, thus ensuring that the record I was interested in would automatically show up on the terminal when I was walking by." (added by druthb at 02:18 PM, December 21, 2010)
17:27 eternalsword inside a template file, how do I create a new variable from a C4::Context->config value?  I have a value for my custom login system and I would like to change "To make changes to your record please contact the library." to a link to the management system where the patron can change details.
17:28 wizzyrea the 1st question
17:28 wizzyrea ?
17:28 wizzyrea the first question?
17:28 wahanui i heard the first question was "What are you trying to do?"
17:28 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #638: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/638/
17:28 jenkins_koha * ruth: Bug 7535: ampersands not showing properly in non-XSLT OPAC
17:28 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7496 - Personally identifying information sent in opac user TITLE
17:28 jenkins_koha * dev_patches: Bug 7513 Marc Import Hangs
17:28 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 5373 - allow 'cardnumber' to appear on the patron import field list
17:28 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 7454 Initialize return arrays in ILS/Transaction/RenewAll
17:28 wizzyrea i mean, specifically
17:28 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 7552 - Remove wrong line endings in NORMARC record.abs
17:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7535 minor, P5 - low, ---, ruth, Pushed to Master , OPAC displays ampersands incorrectly.
17:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7496 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Personally identifying information sent in opac user TITLE
17:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7513 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , MARC Import Hangs
17:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5373 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , fields listed on patron import do not match the csv file
17:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7454 major, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Sip renewal all response returns incorrect info
17:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7552 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Remove wrong line endings in NORMARC record.abs
17:28 wizzyrea botfight!
17:29 eternalsword wizzyrea: was that directed at me?
17:29 wizzyrea yes, after a fashion
17:29 wizzyrea why do you need a config value?
17:29 wizzyrea what is the end result you are trying to achieve?
17:30 wizzyrea Are you trying to simply change what is displayed on a certain screen?
17:31 eternalsword I have a church database management system that I am integrating, and want the code to be portable so others can use it.  Yes, I would like to change what is displayed when OPACPatronDetails is false and my config value is true.
17:32 wizzyrea aha, gotya
17:32 eternalsword I know how to get the value in the pl file, but not sure how to pass to the template.
17:32 jcamins @quote search template
17:32 huginn jcamins: No matching quotes were found.
17:32 jcamins @quote search tt
17:32 huginn jcamins: 22 found: #101: "<darling> I still need to catch up with current...", #113: "<jcamins> I merely opened my hands and allowed...", #119: "<wasabi> wow, and a pig!!! -> http://www.blaine...", #122: "<member:oleonard>Everyone is doin' the hot new...", #127: "Oracle now has little choice but to abandon its...", #12: "<owen> Every time you check in a book a little...", #143: "rhcl: Blame the C coders; if it (3 more messages)
17:32 wizzyrea useful quotes?
17:32 jcamins @quote search t::t
17:32 huginn jcamins: No matching quotes were found.
17:33 jcamins tt?
17:33 wahanui tt is Template::Toolkit
17:33 wizzyrea @quote get 135
17:33 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #135: "rangi: $tempate->{VARS}->{'LoginBranchname'} - without the typo" (added by cait at 07:30 PM, May 20, 2011)
17:33 jcamins eternalsword: ^^ that's the short answer.
17:33 jcamins The long answer is, I don't think that's what you want to do.
17:33 eternalsword jcamins, why not?
17:34 jcamins eternalsword: because you're talking about displaying something out of koha-conf.xml.
17:34 jcamins That's exceedingly *un*portable.
17:34 jcamins It can't be translated, it requires a sysadmin to adjust, and doesn't match how anything else is done.
17:34 jcamins Probably what you want is a syspref.
17:35 wizzyrea ^^
17:35 wizzyrea jcamins:
17:35 wizzyrea @quote get 157
17:35 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #157: "wizzyrea: bbiaf -> I know that means be back in a few but my brain told me that meant be back in a fire oleonard: similar to the common ctaof, for Can't talk, am on fire" (added by wizzyrea at 04:38 PM, September 23, 2011)
17:35 eternalsword but it's not necessary if this particular login system is not used, which must be done in koha-conf.xml like ldapserver.
17:36 wizzyrea right, but you can make a "local use" syspref
17:37 eternalsword what's the point? it's either enabled in koha-conf.xml or it's not.  It's true or false.  Or are you recommending putting the value of the text in the syspref?
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17:38 wizzyrea eh, tmtowtdi
17:39 cait hi wizzyrea :)
17:39 wizzyrea that's probably not how we would do it ;)
17:39 wizzyrea hey cait
17:44 nengard is there a way in git to delete all branches that start with a string?
17:44 nengard i need to do some branch clean up :)
17:44 nengard and don't want to delete 1 by 1
17:44 jcamins nengard: if you really want, you could use xargs.
17:44 nengard and how would i do that? :)
17:45 jcamins nengard: it'd be something like git branch | sed -e 's/ //g' | grep -e '^string' | xargs branch -D \{} \;
17:45 * jcamins does not recommend doing that, but you *could*.
17:45 jcamins And note that I tested exactly none of that.
17:46 nengard HA!
17:46 nengard okay
17:47 eternalsword wizzyrea, I'm surprised ldap isn't configurable through the admin area via sysprefs to be honest, but I ported an existing method over since I don't know perl well at all, so I'll have to live with that.
17:47 wizzyrea actually I always wondered about that too. It would be nice if that were possible.
17:47 jcamins eternalsword: yeah, that's definitely a bug from my point of view.
17:47 wizzyrea a project for you :)
17:48 wizzyrea (if you wanted it)
17:48 eternalsword maybe I will.  got to get this working first :P
17:48 wizzyrea that would be super-duper cool :)
17:49 eternalsword by the way, our system uses oauth, so mine can be used as an example for other systems as well.
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18:40 * magnuse waves
18:40 cait hi magnuse :)
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18:41 magnuse kia ora cait
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18:41 magnuse hiya melia
18:41 melia hi!
18:41 cait hi melia :)
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18:48 Shane-S I just setup Koha on Thursday...and I am logged in to the admin section via the koha-conf.xml file credentials. How do I add a users myself?
18:48 jcamins Shane-S: use the Patrons module.
18:49 maximep any idea why the search by control number ( wouldn't work ?
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18:56 Shane-S can I change a languages file to modify Surname to say Lastname?
18:56 jcamins Shane-S: yes you can. I don't remember how to create a new translation, but it's pretty straightforward.
18:58 Shane-S okay i'll note that down to change after I learn how to use Koha :D
18:58 cait maximep: which version?
18:58 wahanui i think which version is nekls on right now?
18:59 cait wahanui: forget version
18:59 wahanui cait, I didn't have anything matching version
18:59 jcamins wahanui forget which version
18:59 wahanui jcamins: I forgot which version
18:59 cait maximep: there was a bug a while ago
19:00 maximep 3.6.0
19:00 * maximep looks on bugzilla
19:03 maximep I wish I had any idea of what to look at in the code :/
19:03 cait ah
19:03 cait there was a bug
19:03 cait in 3.6.0
19:03 cait I think
19:03 cait let me find it for you - I filed it
19:04 cait maximep: bug 6786
19:04 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6786 critical, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---,, RESOLVED FIXED, False detection of index names in Search; make index names case insensitive
19:04 maximep oh wow thanks, never would have found that
19:05 cait you are welcome
19:06 cait maximep: I know for sure it's fixed in 3.6.3
19:07 maximep it's like the 8th bug that I have to fix that's already fixed in > 3.6.0 -_-
19:07 cait there will be more I fear
19:07 wizzyrea tons.
19:07 cait take a look at the release notes..
19:07 jcamins maximep: why don't you upgrade to 3.6.3?
19:07 jcamins We've fixed a lot in the last four months.
19:08 cait we just went to 3.6.3 ... but 3.6.4 makes me think aobut updating again
19:08 Shane-S anyone have a guide for adding a new admin for Koha 3.6 Google keeps giving me 2.x stuff were you tick a checkbox for superadmin
19:08 wizzyrea perhaps you are not being persuasive enough
19:08 jcamins documentation?
19:08 wahanui rumour has it documentation is at
19:08 wizzyrea Shane-S: it's under patron -> detail -> more -> permissions
19:08 jcamins Shane-S: ^^
19:08 maximep well it's not my job
19:09 wizzyrea maximep: :)
19:09 Shane-S wizzyrea: thanks, have the patron, will check there
19:09 wizzyrea the customer may be always right, but they do not always know what they need
19:11 maximep we still have a ton of modifications to the code, so it requires time to upgrade everything
19:11 wizzyrea ah yea
19:11 Shane-S wizzyrea: ty very much, now I can follow[…]ation/newbieguide ;)
19:11 wizzyrea Shane-S: you're very welcome
19:13 Shane-S last question for a bit I hope...should I remove the usernames and passwords from /etc/koha/sites/mysite/koha-conf.xml?
19:13 wizzyrea no
19:13 jcamins Shane-S: no!
19:13 wizzyrea it won't work without them
19:13 jcamins Shane-S: without those usernames, it won't work at all!
19:13 cait heh
19:13 cait what they said
19:13 cait :)
19:13 Shane-S okay, so just don't use them ever again :P
19:13 jcamins Shane-S: right.
19:13 cait you will need when updating
19:13 wizzyrea in case you are worried, that file is nowhere near accessible to the outside world.
19:13 jcamins Shane-S: except for when updating.
19:14 * wizzyrea ponders that claim... sticks with it for now.
19:14 Shane-S okay, I just wanted to check :D
19:14 wizzyrea yea, some web apps do have you do that
19:14 wizzyrea but not this one ;)
19:15 Shane-S Well I don't even think it will be web-accessible (by common folk anyway) and its for me try before I think about replacing Follet for a little school library
19:16 wizzyrea oh koha is a great replacement for follett
19:16 Shane-S we maybe have 3,000 books if that many even
19:16 * wizzyrea has at least 12 libraries that came from follett
19:17 Shane-S using somethink called circ/cat that pre-dates me (in computer education that is)
19:17 Shane-S I was maybe 14 when OS9 was release
19:17 Shane-S damn...I was 17 :P
19:18 Shane-S oh...I have a question can Amazon be used as a Z39.50 resource to pull books and covers?
19:19 jcamins Shane-S: not Z39.50.
19:19 jcamins Shane-S: you can get cover images off of Amazon, though.
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19:43 Space_Librarian o/
19:43 * Space_Librarian attempts to lessen the appearance of a drowned rat
19:44 cait rain? :(
19:45 ibeardslee a bit of dampness
19:48 Space_Librarian slight drizzle
19:48 jcamins Okay, this is kind of cool...
19:49 jcamins The National Library of Estonia has a book scanning program.
19:49 jcamins You can request the book, and they scan it for you and send you the PDF.
19:49 nengard is there documentation of how the new cover image upload tool works? I just tried to upload an image and it says it worked but i don't see the image on the bib record
19:50 jcamins Oh, wait, this is funded by the EU.
19:50 jcamins It's a pan-EU program.
19:50 jcamins Cool!
19:50 jcamins nengard: there is extensive documentation in the commit messages.
19:50 nengard thanks
19:51 jcamins EU++
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20:04 nengard hmmm cover images i upload show in the opac but not the staff client even though i have both preferences turned on
20:05 jcamins Odd.
20:07 jcamins Works fine for me.
20:07 nengard hmm
20:07 nengard in master?
20:08 jcamins Yup.
20:08 jcamins And for records that don't have one yet, there's a direct link to the uploader.
20:09 nengard what??
20:09 nengard you mean on the detail page in the staff client there is a link to upload images
20:09 nengard i'm not seeing that either
20:09 jcamins Right.
20:09 nengard oh wait
20:09 nengard found that
20:09 jcamins Are you viewing the images tab?
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20:09 nengard images tab?
20:10 nengard I found it under 'edit'
20:10 nengard but i don't see an images tab - but the image is showing in the opac
20:10 nengard so i know it uploaded
20:10 nengard let me try a diff record
20:10 jcamins You don't have it enabled in the intranet.
20:10 jcamins Just the OPAC.
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20:14 nengard jcamins, but I do - i saved the preference - so maybe the default isn't right - let me set it a couple more times
20:14 jcamins nengard: worth a try.
20:15 jcamins nengard: I can't troubleshoot, but I can confirm that it works just fine on my system.
20:15 nengard k - i have it set to 'display' and it is not showing me what you see
20:15 nengard was gonna update the manual but it will have to wait til i can figure this out
20:17 jcamins Odd.
20:21 nengard found the images tab!
20:21 nengard you didn't mean on the left
20:21 jcamins Right.
20:21 nengard it's on the bottom
20:21 jcamins Of course.
20:21 nengard k - the image is there
20:21 nengard but is that the only place it shows in the staff client?
20:21 nengard does it not show next to the title like the other images?
20:21 nengard or on the search results?
20:21 jcamins That's correct.
20:21 nengard OKAY
20:21 nengard then it works
20:22 nengard just not how i expected it to
20:22 jcamins That's mentioned in one of the commit messages.
20:22 nengard there were a lot of them i was still at the beginning of reading
20:24 trea has anyone observed similar problems with 7208 in marc21? i think we're experiencing a similar problem.
20:24 trea bug 7208
20:24 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7208 minor, P5 - low, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , NORMARCslim2OPACDetail.xsl does not display item type icon
20:28 * jcamins disabled the icon line.
20:28 jcamins So if it's a new change, I would've have seen it.
20:30 jcamins Works for me.
20:30 rangi morning
20:31 magnuse g'night
20:31 wizzyrea afternoon :)
20:31 jcamins Half-an-hour-before-I-can-​call-the-paralegal-again.
20:31 cait lol
20:31 cait morning rangi
20:34 nengard okay so you can't use local cover images with another cover image service - so you can't use local cover images to supplement the images not found on outside services
20:35 jcamins nengard: right. kmkale is supposed to be working on a fallback feature.
20:35 nengard k
20:35 jcamins I don't know what the status is.
20:36 nengard sorry, i am reading, but i learn better by doing :) so I'm doing as i read little bits
20:44 rangi one year since the chch earthquake that killed 185 people today
20:45 rangi
20:45 cait :(
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21:13 eythian slef: I removed it (although maybe commented it out) because of port collisions. I'd like to find a way to do that magically, but haven't had need to yet.
21:16 maximep is it normal that suggestion accepted emails are sent every time you edit a purchase suggestion ?
21:16 maximep once again my bugzilla-fu fails me
21:17 cait hm no
21:17 cait i think they should only be sent when you change the status to accepted :(
21:18 cait I might have missed that in testing
21:18 cait the feature was totally broken a while ago
21:18 maximep ok, thanks, will test more and open a bug with a patch
21:18 cait maximep: bug 7096
21:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7096 major, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , Receiving suggested items does not trigger notification mail (AVAILABLE)
21:19 cait ah
21:19 cait no that's another
21:19 rangi you can do bulk edits in marcedit eh?
21:19 cait I think so
21:20 cait maximep: there are some candidates, try a search on bugzilla for ALL accepted suggestion
21:20 cait ALL will give you closed bugs too
21:22 maximep yeah I know. bz just doesn't like me
21:22 cait aw
21:23 maximep or maybe more that I still lack the right words because always developping on a french koha
21:23 jcamins Okay, walkthrough will be two hours later than previously scheduled, and closing will be the next day.
21:23 cait perhaps
21:23 cait oh
21:23 jcamins Now we just need people to show up and whatnot.
21:23 * cait sends chocolate to jcamins and maximep
21:23 jcamins Thanks.
21:25 schuster rangi yes you can do it often.
21:26 rangi cool if you have a little page that explains how that would be awesome
21:26 schuster sending what I have via email shortly.
21:27 rangi perfect thanks
21:27 nengard i'm working on documenting the custom cover images feature and i tried to upload the zip file but it failed - do i need something special set up on my virtual machine to make it able to unzip?
21:27 jcamins Yes, unzip.
21:28 nengard is that what the module is called?
21:28 nengard is it listed as a dependency?
21:28 jcamins sudo apt-get install unzip
21:28 jcamins There was a bug to add it to the installation.
21:28 jcamins (and it was added)
21:28 nengard cool
21:29 nengard it's not on the about page yet though
21:29 wizzyrea people don't have unzip?
21:29 * wizzyrea boggles
21:30 jcamins nengard: it's not a Perl module.
21:30 nengard no?
21:30 wahanui no is failing unit tests
21:30 wizzyrea it's a system tool
21:30 nengard I have unzip
21:30 nengard i don't have it on my vm
21:30 jcamins Nope. It's a program.
21:30 Shane-S okay so I am moving along with Koha...I am now to the Marc section. I do IT not books/biblio/MARC, can you all help me if I tackle that tomorrow?
21:30 wizzyrea does the pope wear a tall hat?
21:31 wizzyrea (yes :))
21:31 Shane-S thanks :P, just so I am prepared, what might I need to know about a mark template?
21:31 wizzyrea you just want to add a book?
21:31 wizzyrea the first question?
21:31 wahanui the first question is "What are you trying to do?"
21:31 Shane-S fyi I have only ever seen our books, and loaded data via disk into Follett
21:32 wizzyrea oh I see, you are preparing a *migration*
21:32 Shane-S Well, for now (testing it) I will want add a book...say Green Eggs and Ham
21:32 Shane-S eventually it will be migration
21:32 schuster shane-s - are you connected to the internet?  You can use Z39.50 to pull records in directly from other sources.
21:32 Shane-S I am just piloting it for now so I can show my Principal and Librarian
21:33 Shane-S schuster: yes I am
21:33 Shane-S Can I skip the framework for now then?
21:33 schuster That's easy then.  direct cataloging can be done, but such a pain when you can just pull records in from other sources.
21:34 schuster There are "default" frameworks available and should have been loaded when you installed.
21:34 Shane-S Oh there are I am just following[…]ation/newbieguide
21:34 wizzyrea yea, don't fret about the frameworks
21:34 wizzyrea yea, basically
21:34 wizzyrea you are done with that guide for now
21:35 wizzyrea until you have questions or problems with the rest of that stuff
21:35 Shane-S okay thanks. I will try doing the Z39.50 or 93.50 or 53.90 records tomorrow :P
21:35 wizzyrea Koha is huuuge - lotta ins, lotta outs
21:35 wizzyrea focus on the basics: adding patrons and bib records
21:35 wizzyrea deal with the rest as you need to :)
21:36 wizzyrea (and adding items)
21:36 wizzyrea but - yes, we will be around tomorrow to help you through *cataloging*
21:36 wizzyrea which I think is your next step - adding a biblio record and an item to it that you can circ.
21:36 Shane-S I tried it with osslabs live CD...but it didn't I made this copy all so I can work beyond snail speed
21:37 Shane-S Well thanks for the support thus far, off for the night!
21:37 wizzyrea have a good one :)
21:38 cait wizzyrea++
21:38 cait night all
21:38 wizzyrea ! gnite cait
21:38 wizzyrea sleep well
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21:43 libsysguy o/
21:45 jcamins \o
21:46 wizzyrea sup libsysguy
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21:51 libsysguy1 cursed suddenlink
21:54 nengard okay 3.8 manual will be up to date tomorrow with the new cover image stuff
21:54 nengard now it's quitting time
21:54 * jcamins curses vigorously.
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21:54 jcamins libsysguy1: now I have. :)
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21:55 vfernandes hi guys :)
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22:01 vfernandes one little question.... i have a koha installed with 3 libraries, for each library there is one circulation rule where Current Checkouts Allowed for a patron is 3 books. There is a way to limit the maximun books for one patron? In the way that i've configured Koha a patron can have 9 books (3 in each library) but I want to limit to 3 in all libraries
22:01 vfernandes it's possible?
22:02 wizzyrea make a default rule that says 3 max checkouts?
22:02 wizzyrea I'd have to investigate that one
22:02 jcamins No, that's not possible.
22:02 wizzyrea jcamins: are you sure about that?
22:03 * wizzyrea is not at all sure
22:03 jcamins wizzyrea: not 100% sure, but it certainly wasn't possible a year ago.
22:03 jcamins At least, that's what I was told a year ago.
22:04 eythian There's not a "max total issues by borrower type" thing?
22:04 eythian Oh, there is for holds I think. Perhaps that's what I'm remembering.
22:04 * wizzyrea is looking
22:04 vfernandes there is a max reserves
22:04 wizzyrea there is checkout limit by patron category for all libraries
22:05 wizzyrea so could you set a patron category for each library
22:05 wizzyrea with a max of 3
22:05 * jcamins looks.
22:05 jcamins So you could.
22:05 wizzyrea ?
22:05 jcamins Cool!
22:05 jcamins wizzyrea++
22:05 * wizzyrea stares at that page a lot.
22:05 vfernandes wizzyera where?
22:05 jcamins :/
22:05 * jcamins does not.
22:06 wizzyrea under more -> administration -> circ and fine rules
22:06 wizzyrea "checkout limit by patron category for all libraries
22:06 wizzyrea "
22:06 wizzyrea dunno you'd have to try it out, but I think it would work
22:06 vfernandes on which version of koha?
22:06 eythian vfernandes: are you using a recent version?
22:07 vfernandes 3.2.6
22:07 wizzyrea this is 3.6 that I'm currently looking at
22:07 wizzyrea oh when did we get that...
22:07 wizzyrea i'm trying to remember.
22:07 wizzyrea was that 3.4?
22:07 eythian vfernandes: that's not very recent...
22:07 jcamins vfernandes: you should think about updating.
22:07 * wizzyrea ponders the truth that Koha isn't like windows - we get updates more than once every 3 years.
22:08 vfernandes in this moment i can't think in updates :/
22:08 wizzyrea and we don't often appreciate, amongst ourselves, *just how much we do*
22:08 wizzyrea and how much better koha gets with every single release.
22:08 data_doctor I am appreciating!!! :^)
22:09 wizzyrea :)
22:09 wizzyrea i'm actually waiting with bated breath for your first patch :D
22:09 wizzyrea (no pressure)
22:10 data_doctor I kind of imagine y'all up on Mt. Olympus planning improvements for all the world's libraries...
22:10 wizzyrea naw, more like the dark basements.
22:10 data_doctor ha ha
22:10 libsysguy1 ^^
22:10 libsysguy i really like that nic data_doctor
22:10 data_doctor :)
22:11 rangi back
22:11 libsysguy so when are we moving away from marc and onto that new standard approved by LC
22:11 * libsysguy laughs quietly to himself
22:12 rangi when they actually approve it?
22:12 libsysguy i thought it was already approved
22:12 data_doctor approved and accepted are two different things
22:12 rangi the Coordinating Committee recommends that RDA should be implemented by LC, NAL, and NLM
22:12 rangi no sooner than January 2013." This adoption, in the meantime, is contingent upon the
22:12 rangi progress made in completing and rectifying nine action items and areas of concern raised
22:12 rangi by the Committee.
22:12 rangi One recommendation--3.2.5--was notable in that it called for a suspension of work underway  on RDA. The Working Group suggested that further development work on Resource Description  and Access (RDA) be suspended until a business case had been articulated, benefits  demonstrated, and there had been better testing of FRBR (Functional Requirements for  Bibliographic Records) as it relates to RDA.
22:12 rangi yeah .. naw .. :)
22:13 wizzyrea funny quotes?
22:13 libsysguy librarians….
22:13 libsysguy no offense to the librarians in the room...
22:13 jcamins @quote search librarian
22:13 huginn jcamins: 3 found: #112: "gmcharlt: only superlibrarians can be trusted...", #121: "mtj> friends don't let librarians spec bib formats", and #4: "< kf> I often get asked: You have to study to..."
22:13 jcamins @quote get 121
22:13 huginn jcamins: Quote #121: "mtj> friends don't let librarians spec bib formats" (added by chris at 08:18 PM, March 24, 2011)
22:15 data_doctor I recently heard the stacks described as a forest, because of all the trees that went into the pages.
22:15 data_doctor Gives the library a more organic feel.
22:15 rangi schuster: thanks for that email, i have forwarded it to Space_Librarian
22:16 data_doctor love the one about superlibrarians...
22:16 data_doctor of course they are all Super!
22:16 data_doctor but can they all be trusted? he he
22:19 jcamins That was a short visit.
22:20 wizzyrea @quote get 112
22:20 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #112: "gmcharlt: only superlibrarians can be trusted with capes" (added by wizzyrea at 09:17 PM, December 15, 2010)
22:20 wizzyrea kekek
22:22 rangi this is interesting and potentially quite useful
22:22 rangi[…]d-php-memory.html
22:22 schuster rangi any time there are also several tutorials on the marcedit website.
22:22 rangi cool
22:23 schuster the other nice thing is if you screw up there is "special undo" to Undo one step only.
22:24 vfernandes guys i'm checking the Koha 3.6 manual and i don't found any info about my question
22:26 * jcamins heads to the Grolier.
22:26 schuster vfernandes - what was your question?
22:27 vfernandes one little question.... i have a koha installed with 3 libraries, for each library there is one circulation rule where Current Checkouts Allowed for a patron is 3 books. There is a way to limit the maximun books for one patron? In the way that i've configured Koha a patron can have 9 books (3 in each library) but I want to limit to 3 in all libraries
22:30 schuster hmm... nope don't think you can do that.
22:31 schuster ok night all.
22:32 wizzyrea schuster: I think we can, actually
22:32 wizzyrea but not, probably, in 3.2
22:33 vfernandes wizzyrea but there is nothing in the manual
22:33 wizzyrea did you look at the circ and fine rules page in Koha?
22:33 vfernandes http://manual.koha-community.o[…]/en/patscirc.html
22:34 wizzyrea that's patron categories
22:34 vfernandes in the end...
22:34 wizzyrea 3.5.3
22:34 wizzyrea is the section you are looking fo
22:34 wizzyrea for
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22:35 vfernandes "For this library, you can specify the maximum number...."
22:35 vfernandes only for one library
22:35 wizzyrea no, you would create a patron category for each library
22:35 Space_Librarian schuster - thanks so much, I'm printing off those instructions now. :)
22:36 wizzyrea assign the patrons to that category
22:36 wizzyrea then limit the categories
22:36 wizzyrea (or several patron categories)
22:36 wizzyrea does that make sense?
22:36 vfernandes for me no... all libraries have the same patron categories
22:37 wizzyrea unfortunately I think at the moment the only way to do what you want to do is to give each library their own categories
22:37 wizzyrea for example
22:37 wizzyrea we have 40 libraries
22:37 wizzyrea each one has their own patron categories
22:38 wizzyrea libA-Adult
22:38 wizzyrea libA-Child
22:38 wizzyrea libB-Adult
22:38 wizzyrea libB-Child
22:38 wizzyrea etc
22:38 vfernandes tomorrow i'll talk to my client if there is anyway to limit the categories by library
22:39 wizzyrea functionally I don't think it really changes anything
22:39 wizzyrea if you get your rules right
22:39 wizzyrea more of a semantic change, and the circ staff need to be a little more aware when they are creating patrons that they get their new patrons in the right category
22:40 vfernandes ok i'll talk with them tomorrow
22:40 alaquerre Hi All, Our user are telling us that some document are not return properly by we dont know why. So I dig a bit in the data and find out that some of the values in action_logs are empty ? The column "Object" is sometimes, let's say 3-5% of the time empty when we do return. When this occur, look like the column info contain the wrong biblionumber or something
22:40 alaquerre like that.
22:41 vfernandes thanks for the help wizzyrea
22:41 alaquerre Does that ring a bell ?
22:41 wizzyrea anytime :)
22:41 wizzyrea vfernandes: like this:
22:42 wizzyrea imagine that x40
22:42 wizzyrea ;)
22:45 wizzyrea alaquerre: that doesn't ring any bells for me - what version?
22:45 alaquerre 3.6.0
22:45 wizzyrea hm
22:46 wizzyrea wonder if they are going too fast?
22:47 alaquerre yeah, I also think about it, but at the same time, we do have a row in the action_logs table.
22:47 wizzyrea but it's partial so...
22:48 alaquerre That would mean we send the web request out and the server would not have been able to digest it..
22:48 alaquerre strande
22:48 alaquerre strange
22:49 alaquerre Ok, I'll keep searching.  But bottom line : action_logs should be always full ?
22:50 wizzyrea well, I admit to not investigating that
22:51 alaquerre I'll let you know if we found something.
22:51 alaquerre Thanks!
22:51 wizzyrea good luck, that's a pretty weird problem.
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23:06 Space_Librarian rangi++ for just being a legend :)
23:06 rangi[…]iblionumber=79986  for being a fun catalogue record
23:07 Space_Librarian that is a fantastic catalogue
23:08 wizzyrea with the giant GO button
23:08 wizzyrea ok hometime
23:09 Space_Librarian bye wizzyrea! :)
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