IRC log for #koha, 2012-02-06

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05:49 Amit_Gupta heya cait
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07:30 marcelr hi koha
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07:38 alex_a morning koha
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07:40 marcelr hi paul_p & alex_a
07:45 alex_a hi marcelr
07:45 alex_a marcelr: do you know about koha and ldap ?
07:45 marcelr not that much
07:45 alex_a :s
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07:50 magnuse kia ora #koha
07:50 magnuse @wunder boo
07:50 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -11.0�C (8:20 AM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -13.0�C. Windchill: -21.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
07:50 marcelr hi magnuse
07:51 marcelr @wunder amsterdam
07:51 magnuse hiya marcelr
07:51 huginn` marcelr: Error: No such location could be found.
07:51 marcelr ?
07:51 magnuse @wunder amsterdam, netherlands
07:51 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Amsterdam, Netherlands is -9.0�C (8:25 AM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -13.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 30.54 in 1034 hPa (Steady).
07:51 magnuse ooh, that's cold!
07:51 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:51 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is -4.0�C (8:30 AM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: -14.0�C. Windchill: -12.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
07:51 marcelr not as in norway
07:51 magnuse marcelr: true
07:52 magnuse still cold in marseille too!
07:52 marcelr for them unusual
07:52 magnuse yeah
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08:00 marcelr hi reiveune
08:01 reiveune hi :)
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08:02 kf good morning #koha
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08:07 wahanui privet, gaetan_B
08:08 marcelr hi gaetan_B
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08:20 asaurat hi!
08:21 kf hi marcelr
08:21 marcelr hi kf
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08:21 paul_p good morning Europe !
08:21 paul_p (marcelr & kf mainly)
08:21 marcelr kf: could you check on bug 3264 shortly?
08:21 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3264 major, P2, ---,, Needs Signoff , Uncloning a dropdown list in MARC authorities/biblio editor may clear all subfields (see comment 17)
08:22 marcelr hi paul_p
08:22 kf marcelr: sorry not today
08:22 marcelr oops
08:22 kf my glasses are broken, I have a hard time reading my mails
08:22 * mtj waves to europe
08:22 marcelr ok
08:22 marcelr hi mtj
08:26 magnuse bonjour paul_p
08:27 * magnuse waves to mtj
08:27 mtj kia ora magnuse , hi all
08:29 magnuse ff 10, eh? moving fast!
08:30 Amit_Gupta heya magnuse
08:30 Amit_Gupta mtj around?
08:31 magnuse hi Amit_Gupta
08:31 mtj i think i have discovered an interesting bug with a Koha.2.2 upgrade , to a Koha-3.4
08:32 mtj .... the bug happens when running the post-upgrade  '/' script
08:32 mtj heya amit
08:34 mtj for some Koha bibs with mismatching bib and bib-item numbers, the script does some bib corruption ?!? :/
08:35 mtj hmm, i do need to re-confirm this.... and make sure its not some glitchy bib data - thats the problem
08:37 mtj i wonder if there might be a s/bib/bibitem/ typo, in the file, thats causing this even?
08:39 mtj ....i'll keep poking till i get to the bottom of it :)
08:40 magnuse happy hunting mtj!
08:42 mtj thanks magnuse, ill report my findings - when finished
08:43 magnuse yay
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08:45 francharb hello
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09:42 mtj well, good news.... :) its buggy bib-data causing my problem, not Koha
09:43 magnuse good news for the rest of us, that is... ;-)
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11:10 drojf1 hi #koha
11:10 kf hi drojf1
11:10 drojf1 hi kf :)
11:10 kf :)
11:10 drojf1 @wunder berlin, germany
11:10 huginn` drojf1: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -13.4�C (11:42 AM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -20.0�C. Windchill: -17.0�C. Pressure: 30.72 in 1040.2 hPa (Falling).
11:11 kf @wunder Konstanz
11:11 huginn` kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -9.0�C (12:00 PM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -15.0�C. Pressure: 30.53 in 1034 hPa (Rising).
11:11 drojf1 coldest night in 25 years last night
11:11 kf eew
11:11 drojf1 yup
11:12 asaurat so now you're warm for 25 more years
11:13 drojf1 heh
11:14 drojf1 they say i's going to stay that cold for a while
11:14 drojf1 not sure how much i like that
11:16 drojf1 @marc 942
11:16 huginn` drojf1: unknown tag 942
11:16 drojf1 hm
11:16 drojf1 is there a wikip gae for 942 like this one for 952[…]C21_Holding_field.2C_3.0.x.2C_3.2.x_and_3.4.x_default_-_field_952?
11:16 drojf1 *wiki page
11:16 drojf1 i can only fint it in the indexing part of the deocumentation
11:16 drojf1 find
11:17 drojf1 frozen fingers ;)
11:17 magnuse @wunder boo
11:17 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -9.0�C (11:50 AM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Windchill: -18.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
11:17 magnuse @wunder kautokeino
11:17 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Kautokeino, Norway is -30.0�C (7:00 AM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -33.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Falling).
11:17 drojf1 omg
11:18 magnuse they had -37 or something last night
11:18 kf drojf1: only 3 fields I think that are important there
11:19 kf or one
11:19 kf 942$c itemtype
11:19 kf is used when you work with recod level itemtypes and as a default for adding new items
11:19 drojf1 yeah that is the ine i am wondering about especially. is it the same as 952y?
11:19 kf item-level_itypes is the pref I think
11:19 kf it's similar
11:20 drojf1 i'm not sure if i understand what that means. what is the difference?
11:20 kf record level itemtypes mean you don't have an itemtype on item level
11:20 kf so all items of the record, have the itemtype of 942$c
11:21 drojf1 ah!
11:21 kf if you use title level itemtypes you can have 1 item for referecne, others avaulable for loan
11:21 drojf1 tool a while
11:21 drojf1 :)
11:21 drojf1 wook. damn keyboard
11:21 drojf1 narf
11:21 drojf1 took
11:21 kf heh
11:21 kf I blame all typos today on my missing glasses
11:21 drojf1 thanks. i understand it now
11:21 kf + my grumpiness
11:21 drojf1 what happened to your glasses?
11:22 kf they broke into 2 pieces
11:22 drojf1 ouch
11:22 kf yeah
11:22 drojf1 tape them together ;)
11:22 kf they are trying to build a replacement using a reamless frame... hopefully it works
11:23 kf I tried taping, but didn't work
11:23 drojf1 i had a crazy flatmate once that taped his glasses. for a few days until he has a new pair people thought. but he kept wearing them for weeks or months, fixed with blue tape. looked crazy :)
11:24 kf heh
11:24 drojf1 but he could see ;)
11:24 drojf1 @wunder tromso
11:24 huginn` drojf1: Error: No such location could be found.
11:25 drojf1 @wunder tromsø, norway
11:25 huginn` drojf1: Error: No such location could be found.
11:25 drojf1 :(
11:25 drojf1 where does he get the info from?
11:26 magnuse @wunder tromso, norway
11:26 huginn` magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
11:26 drojf1 no love for tromsø
11:26 magnuse @wunder tos
11:26 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Tromso, Norway is -16.0�C (11:50 AM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -19.0�C. Windchill: -24.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising).
11:26 drojf1 ah!
11:26 drojf1 seems not worse than berlin :)
11:26 drojf1 thanks
11:27 drojf1 oj, the windchill does look worse
11:27 magnuse brr
11:33 drojf1 i've seen people riding bikes on the canal near my home yesterday :D
11:33 kf brrr
12:13 kf bye all
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13:26 clrh hello
13:26 wahanui que tal, clrh
13:26 clrh I have a vocabulary question
13:28 clrh in frensh it is called "communication sur place" or "demande en magasin"
13:29 clrh bookstack
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13:33 cait clrh: perhaps closed stacks?
13:33 cait not sure, I don't know french :)
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13:35 cait clrh: perhaps when you describe people will have an idea?
13:35 francharb cait, is "book stack" the word commonly used for the room closed to public where a library keep books
13:36 francharb because they can't be issues like "normal" bool
13:36 francharb book
13:36 oleonard "closed stacks" sounds like a good phrase for that
13:36 francharb oleonard, is it the word you used in your library?
13:37 francharb it could be just to store books
13:37 francharb because the library doesnt have enought room to display them
13:37 oleonard If I recall correctly it's the term we used when I worked in a library with that kind of setup
13:37 francharb oki
13:37 francharb thanks!
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13:43 cait francharb: closed stacks is what we were told to call it
13:43 cait german libraries do that too - and you have to order available books :)
13:43 francharb thanks cait !
13:43 cait so someone can go and get them for you, in difference to a holds - which here will only be allowed on checked out books
13:43 cait to a hold
13:45 francharb that's exactly what we are taking about
13:45 francharb talking
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13:46 cait francharb: I think french and german libraries are similar - well except for the fine in days thing perhps :)
13:46 cait ok, have to go, bbl
13:47 francharb see ya
13:47 francharb ;)
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14:00 oleonard So, to recap: Fix for Bug 7493 would be to add foreign key constraints on biblio and borrowers, but trying to do so when deleted biblios or borrowers are referenced in reviews table causes error
14:00 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7493 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Deleting a record with comments breaks "Recent Comments"
14:01 oleonard I'm thinking running an update on reviews before doing the update is in order
14:01 oleonard DELETE FROM reviews WHERE biblionumber IN (SELECT biblionumber from deletedbiblio);
14:01 oleonard UPDATE reviews SET borrowernumber = NULL WHERE borrowernumber IN (SELECT borrowernumber FROM deletedborrowers);
14:01 oleonard I am seeking opinions.
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14:17 hdl oleonard: how do you call the place where you stock documents in a library ?
14:17 hdl in libraries in france it is called "magasin"
14:18 oleonard Stock documents? I don't understand.
14:18 collum Vertical file?
14:18 hdl you know a room where only librarians can access and bring documents to users ?
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14:19 oleonard Is this the same question francharb just asked? I think "closed stacks" is correct
14:19 lculber hello koha.  francharb still around?
14:19 hdl oh yeas.
14:19 hdl francharb: beat me.
14:19 francharb ?
14:20 oleonard "documents" made me think you meant something other than books.
14:20 hdl francharb: thanks.
14:20 hdl oleonard: could be.
14:20 francharb oleonard, i think that the same question
14:20 oleonard[…]d_stack_libraries
14:20 lculber francharb:  we use closed stacks in archives. Could we help maybe?
14:21 oleonard "A closed stack library contains books and other items that are not available for viewing or browsing by the general public"
14:21 francharb oleonard, that's funny, i checked on wikipedia and found the same page
14:21 hdl k tahnks.
14:22 lculber Most of our collections are circulated through closed stacks.
14:22 collum We store our old newspapers and magazines in closed stacks.  Mainly because of space limitations.
14:23 lculber Ours are one of a kind and rare.
14:24 hdl collum:  lculber and oleonard thanks
14:25 francharb lculber, collum, one of the libraries we are working with ask us to develop a something to manage the access to the closed stacks
14:25 francharb lculber, collum, but i'm not in charge of this development
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14:25 lculber francharb:  We allow items to be checked out only for a day and only in a certain room (with a guard)
14:26 francharb so i won't know how it will work
14:26 hdl lculber: hourly loans... is the stuff we are to look and work on
14:26 francharb lculber, and before that? the patron ask for the access?
14:27 lculber francharb: Yes,  They do a hold request.
14:27 francharb so you allow hold on available items, tight?
14:27 francharb right?
14:27 lculber francharb: right
14:28 collum If the item we retrieve cannot be checked-out, we just ask the patron to bring it back to the reference desk.  Otherwise, our closed stacks have normal circulation periods.
14:28 francharb ok
14:29 lculber francharb:  we have some items that are so rare they have to ask for special permission and sign papers, but those are few.
14:30 lculber They still have to do hold request though. Just jump through more hoops.
14:30 francharb lculber, do you only have "special access" books in you library?
14:30 francharb is the archive part of the library?
14:30 lculber francharb: yes.  There are books, manuscripts, maps, photos, and audio-visuals
14:31 lculber francharb:  if they are rare or fragile or "special"
14:32 lculber francharb: or if the law says they are restricted for some reason there are more hoops to go through
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14:33 francharb for the library we are working with, it looks like a little bit more complex since they dont want the patron to be able to place hold on the available books + they have "regular" stacks and 1 day loan is not enought for their needs
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14:34 lculber francharb:  we have regular books too and files.  Those have holds too.  But we only allow one day on everything except for staff.
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14:36 francharb ok
14:37 francharb i'm going to tell the developer that they can find advices here! ;)
14:37 lculber francharb:  So rarely can I contribute anything, I'm very glad to help.
14:38 francharb :)
14:38 lculber Bye, koha!
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14:58 clrh thantks cait oleonard francharb for vocab answer (I was afk one hour, sorry)
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15:09 * drojf1 wonders if he will understand zebra before koha has solr
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15:14 * wizzyrea waves
15:17 hdl drojf1: which zebra ? the zebra before dom or after dom :D
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15:27 * druthb waves to wizzyrea. :)
15:27 wizzyrea heya
15:28 wizzyrea i'm getting ready to test bug 5166
15:28 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5166 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Reintroduce a zebraqueue daemon, make several functions a lib
15:28 oleonard wizzyrea++
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15:34 * jcamins waves to everyone.
15:34 jcamins wizzyrea++
15:34 wizzyrea heya
15:35 wizzyrea pft, you can give me karma if I actually get the testing done :P
15:35 wizzyrea (it's still installing!)
15:35 druthb wizzyrea++
15:36 * jcamins tried testing it but after finding that it seemed to work realized that he hadn't been around long enough to know what exactly zebraqueuedaemon was supposed to do.
15:36 * druthb has reasons of her own for giving wizzyrea extra karma.
15:36 tcohen wizzyrea++
15:36 wizzyrea whoa whoa whoa.
15:37 * druthb snickers.
15:38 druthb @most increased
15:38 huginn` druthb: "rangi": 511, "oleonard": 429, "wizzyrea": 288, "gmcharlt": 284, "chris_n": 262, "cait": 228, "nengard": 206, "sekjal": 196, "jcamins": 171, "paul_p": 166, "kf": 149, "druthb": 140, "magnuse": 129, "slef": 124, "eythian": 79, "hdl": 62, "hdl_laptop": 60, "biblibre": 57, "jwagner": 54, "fredericd": 54, "thd": 45, "kmkale": 44, "atz": 44, "pianohacker": 39, and "larsw": 37
15:38 jcamins oleonard++ # for his insightful blog that helped with the redesign of
15:38 druthb @karma
15:38 huginn` druthb: Highest karma: "rangi" (506), "oleonard" (425), and "wizzyrea" (288).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-70), and "-" (-41).  You (druthb) are ranked 12 out of 1935.
15:38 jcamins @karma
15:38 huginn` jcamins: Highest karma: "rangi" (506), "oleonard" (425), and "wizzyrea" (288).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-70), and "-" (-41).  You (jcamins) are ranked 9 out of 1935.
15:39 * druthb is gonna have to get back to work on some good ideas--I used to be 9th!
15:39 oleonard Nice work jcamins, that's really snazzy
15:40 jcamins oleonard: thanks.
15:40 jcamins Any further suggestions are welcome!
15:40 * jcamins is particularly proud of the various "Actions" menus. :)
15:42 tcohen is there anyone here that wants to talk about a proposal I have around memoization?
15:42 jcamins tcohen: I'd like to hear about the proposal. :)
15:42 jcamins I probably don't know enough to respond. :(
15:42 tcohen I'd like to propose a modification of memoize::memcached so
15:43 tcohen we add a list of references to funcionts that invalidate cache for a specific memoized function
15:43 tcohen and create wrapper functions for those 'writers that invalidate cache'
15:43 tcohen the same way it is done for memoizing functions
15:44 jcamins That sounds very logical to me.
15:44 tcohen we now have memoize_memcached(func_name,...)
15:44 tcohen i propose memoize_memcached(func_name,...,%​functions_that_invalidate_cache)
15:45 jcamins This makes sense to me.
15:45 tcohen the memoize::memcached dev told me to take over the lib
15:46 tcohen i'll do some tests and come back
15:46 tcohen just needed a confirmation of anyone that it was worth giving it a try
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15:48 jcamins It sounds like a good idea to *me*.
15:51 jcamins But I'm very big on caching.
15:52 * jcamins would cache the results of the XSLT processing if he could.
15:54 * jcamins has been calling for an option for an out-of-band rendering daemon so that he could cache more aggressively without causing any problems for other Koha-ians.
15:55 jcamins Since I'm not writing such an interface yet, I'm not particularly vigorous in my calls.
15:55 jcamins :)
15:56 hdl tcohen: it would be something to consider.
15:56 hdl Consider also caching the results for pages.
15:57 tcohen hdl: I think once we have a proper method for invalidating cached data
15:57 tcohen that would be as easy as memoizing everything we consider can be cached
15:59 jcamins Ooh, this I like.
16:02 wizzyrea so far so good on 5166 :D
16:02 wizzyrea sub-minute zebraqueue processing is pretty great.
16:02 tcohen That's what my librarians think :-D
16:02 wizzyrea would need to put it under load, though.
16:03 wizzyrea you run it in production?
16:03 tcohen it's been year and a half in production here
16:03 wizzyrea holy cannoli.
16:04 wizzyrea I'd love to try it out on NExpress, but I can certainly confirm that it works as described
16:04 tcohen well, it was fixed for master and such....
16:04 wizzyrea sure sure.
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16:06 sekjal wizzyrea:  do a batch item edit on 10,000 materials... that should load it up pretty good
16:06 wizzyrea sekjal: that's a great idea.
16:07 drojf i have some zebra questions. in record.abs i find :p, :w, :s, :n, for example
16:07 drojf melm 245$a      […] Title:w,Title:p,Title:s
16:07 drojf i understand :p is phrase, :w is word and :s is sort index. i guess :n (not in this example) is number. i can guess the difference between word and phrase indexing.
16:07 drojf 1. i suppose sort index is for all fields that i would like to sort my results by. is that correct?
16:07 drojf 2. what is the difference between :w and no : at all? for example
16:07 drojf melm 730        Title,Title:p,Title-uniform
16:07 drojf what is the difference between "Title" here and "Title:w" for melm 245$a?
16:07 drojf would be glad if someone could enlighten me. the indexdata doc did not really help or i'm too blind to find much on that matter there.
16:07 druthb trea++
16:07 drojf sorry for the flood  :)
16:08 wizzyrea tcohen: do you have any experience with batch-mod + the daemon? How does it work?
16:08 tcohen wizzyrea: as it works sequentialy, it wont start a new run until it wont finish the 10000 items edit queue
16:08 tcohen i've never used batch-mod
16:08 wizzyrea cool, that's what I was wondering
16:08 * wizzyrea goes to verify that claim :)
16:08 tcohen ooops
16:08 tcohen i hope I was right :$
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16:11 jcamins drojf: in principle without a type is the same as :w.
16:11 jcamins In practice, it goes somewhere else.
16:12 hdl jcamins: and with abs2dom, it is even worse.
16:13 drojf jcamins: what do you mean by "it goes somewhere else"?
16:15 wizzyrea tcohen: so far so good :)
16:15 * wizzyrea needs MOAR RECORDS
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16:16 tcohen wizzyrea++ :-D :-D
16:16 jcamins drojf: exactly what it sounds like. The data ends up in an index, but it doesn't appear to be commingle with the :w-indexed data, and therefore doesn't work with CCL.
16:18 drojf ah, i see. thanks for clarifying!
16:18 slef does anyone else get confused between rel_3_6 and 3.6.x or is it just me?
16:19 jcamins slef: huh? What's the difference?
16:19 slef jcamins: rel_3_6 in bugzilla, 3.6.x in git IIRC
16:19 drojf jcamins++ # just learned that you actually count here :)
16:19 jcamins slef: that's confusing.
16:19 slef jcamins: ask git for rel_3_6 and it checks out master instead, which is a pig to fix
16:20 slef maybe another bugzilla change to suggest on list
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16:23 slef hi cait
16:24 slef other random fun things to check: how does koha end up pulling in libgtk2.0-common
16:24 slef on debian squeeze.
16:24 cait hi slef :)
16:24 cait hm no ida?
16:24 jcamins slef: imagemagick?
16:24 cait oh
16:24 cait good idea
16:24 slef jcamins: I suspect so.
16:24 cait hi jcamins :)
16:25 * cait has new glasses :)
16:25 slef cait: ever get confused between rel_3_6 and 3.6.x?
16:25 jcamins cait: yay!
16:25 * slef has old eyes
16:25 cait slef: um - where are those? bugzilla?
16:25 slef rel_3_6 is bugzilla, 3.6.x is git
16:25 cait hm no
16:25 slef the difference gets me sometimes
16:25 cait not getting confused
16:26 cait but the tags are not consistent on git anyway
16:26 * tcohen never thought I would find a 'goto' on a modern library
16:27 jcamins tcohen: really?
16:28 * oleonard remembers the kerfuffle when they added it to PHP not too long ago
16:28 tcohen yeap, its a wrapper library
16:28 tcohen and it has stuff like
16:29 tcohen goto &lib::function if condition_not_valid
16:29 jcamins tcohen: I meant "you're surprised?"
16:29 tcohen jcamins: hahaha
16:29 tcohen yes, I confess i was suprised
16:33 * jcamins isn't.
16:34 jcamins Actually, in Perl that's necessary for certain types of dispatching, isn't it?
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16:48 druthb @wunder 66049
16:48 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 3.3�C (10:47 AM CST on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027.0 hPa (Steady).
16:49 slef @wunder Weston-super-Mare SOMERSET
16:49 huginn` slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 5.9�C (4:45 PM GMT on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.46 in 1031.4 hPa (Steady).
16:49 slef surprisingly mild today
16:49 druthb @wunder konstanz
16:49 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -10.6�C (5:44 PM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -16.0�C. Windchill: -11.0�C. Pressure: 30.53 in 1033.7 hPa (Steady).
16:49 * druthb shivers
16:49 slef @wunder Bad Salzuflen
16:49 huginn` slef: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Bad Oeynhausen DE, Bad Salzuflen, Germany is -8.3�C (5:33 PM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -14.0�C. Windchill: -13.0�C. Pressure: 30.57 in 1035.1 hPa.
16:58 cait oh
16:58 cait is she travelling
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17:06 gaetan_B by koha !
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17:06 gaetan_B err bye #koha, actually !
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17:12 francharb see ya
17:12 francharb @wunder lyon, france
17:12 huginn` francharb: The current temperature in Lyon, France is -3.0�C (6:00 PM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: -17.0�C. Windchill: -9.0�C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
17:12 francharb grrrr
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17:40 jcamins wizzyrea: did you see my test plan for bug 7284?
17:40 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
17:40 jcamins You asked, I answered. :)
17:40 wizzyrea i was going to look at it today :)
17:40 jcamins You ran screaming away in horror, I looked on disappointedly. ;)
17:41 wizzyrea lol
17:41 oleonard Oh no no no, you need a much simpler, more restful bug to test. Something nice and quiet like the follow-up on Bug 6865.
17:41 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6865 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Replace image-based gradient backgrounds with CSS3 gradients
17:41 wizzyrea :)
17:41 wizzyrea you may get your wish on that one.
17:41 wizzyrea too.
17:42 jcamins Oh, there was another patch oleonard did that I wanted to sign off on.
17:42 jcamins (but didn't have time for)
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17:45 * chris_n wonders how one would go about "restarting" a web app?
17:45 sekjal oleonard:  I just git-bz'ed 6865!
17:45 jcamins chris_n: yeah, I've been wondering.
17:46 * oleonard wonders how you modify every page in Koha to eliminate scrolling
17:46 wizzyrea O.O
17:46 jcamins oleonard: lol
17:46 chris_n yeah, I was too
17:46 jcamins oleonard: change it so that you only display one result per page.
17:46 wahanui jcamins: that doesn't look right
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17:46 * chris_n thinks if you don't like the way Koha is, do it better
17:46 chris_n and then submit it for inclusion ;-)
17:46 wizzyrea (then submit the patch)
17:46 chris_n snap
17:47 * wizzyrea highfives chris_n
17:47 slef oleonard: put overflow: hide or whatever it is in the CSS? ;-)
17:48 oleonard Ignorance is bliss!
17:48 slef I like wahanui's reaction to jcamins's suggestion.
17:48 slef dinner
17:48 * chris_n has to go play with his new TI-nspire
17:48 cait mmh dinner
17:48 wizzyrea hmm lunch.
17:48 cait heh
17:48 cait :)
17:49 chris_n lunch... been there, done that :)
17:49 wizzyrea well I did a bib import of 30k records - the daemon seemed to work a treat - I set it to poll every 5 seconds
17:49 jcamins Nifty!
17:50 wizzyrea it did somewhere between 80-200 a go
17:50 wizzyrea never got overwhelmed
17:50 wizzyrea now, this was fdemains cpan version
17:50 wizzyrea I suppose I could test tcohen's too
17:52 cait I did test fredericd's too
17:52 cait it worked nicely
17:52 cait can't say much about the way it's done
17:52 wizzyrea well i'm inclined to comment and say "this works, we should include it"
17:52 wizzyrea since there's not really something to "sign off on" for that particular thing
17:52 oleonard is now known as oleonard-away
17:57 jcamins Any BibLibrans around?
17:57 jcamins Or anyone from France at all, for that matter?
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18:01 * jcamins watches all the French people leave.
18:01 jcamins Alas.
18:01 Guillaume I'm french and still here !
18:02 jcamins Yay!
18:02 Guillaume But not for long ;-)
18:02 jcamins I have a very quick question for you.
18:02 Guillaume ok
18:02 jcamins Guillaume: is "BDIC" the correct abbreviation for the Bibliotheque de documentation internationale contemporaine?
18:03 Guillaume yes, I think
18:03 jcamins Yay!
18:03 jcamins Thanks!
18:03 Guillaume see
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18:03 drojf agrees ;)
18:03 jcamins Heh. Guess I should've thought of that earlier.
18:03 jcamins Thanks.
18:04 * jcamins has only had two cups of tea today.
18:04 Guillaume Koha interest in BDIC ?
18:04 jcamins Nope.
18:04 Guillaume Great news !
18:04 druthb /me makes jcamins another cup of tea.
18:04 druthb wait...why didn't..    *boggle*
18:04 Guillaume :'(
18:04 * druthb tries again.
18:04 druthb hm.
18:04 jcamins I'm writing about a book that BDIC owns a copy of, and I wanted to make sure I was listing the right library.
18:04 Guillaume ok
18:05 Guillaume No more french needed here ?
18:05 jcamins Guillaume: no, you can go home now. :)
18:05 Guillaume Ah, cool !
18:05 Guillaume So long
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18:07 sekjal lunch time!
18:13 * chris_n wonders if Quiznos realizes that cookies are always free on the internet
18:14 jcamins lol
18:25 drojf jcamins: another zebra question if you don't mind. i need
18:25 drojf melm 653$a ln-class:w,ln-class:s
18:25 drojf in record.abs. there is already
18:25 drojf melm 653        Subject,Subject:p
18:25 drojf if i understand the wiki correctly i have to use
18:25 drojf melm 653$aln-class:w,ln-class:s,Subject,Subject:p
18:25 drojf so i don't screw up the following 653 "Subject" indexing, is that correct?
18:25 jcamins Right.
18:25 drojf woohoo
18:26 drojf thanks
18:26 jcamins But that addition has to go before the melm 653.
18:26 drojf yes
18:26 drojf before i knew zebra i thought marc21 was crazy
18:27 drojf but i will get it eventually
18:28 jcamins lol
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18:40 cait drojf++ :)
18:40 cait and hi!
18:40 drojf hi cait
18:40 drojf can you see again? :)
18:40 cait yep
18:40 drojf hooray
18:40 cait :)
18:41 cait no longer grumpy ;)
18:42 drojf that's good :)
18:44 drojf does lex:n strictly mean "numeric value" in the sense of "digits"?
18:50 jcamins drojf: in principle.
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18:54 cait @
18:54 drojf i was wondering because i thought that it worked for me when i tried it some time ago. our lexile numbers are something like "A1", "A2" etc. and not strictly numeric. but it turns out that in my older file it is "melm 521$a      lex,lex:n" and in master "lex" is missing and only "melm 521$a      lex:n" is left so either i added that here when i was fiddling around with it (i doubt that) or somebody else deleted it.
18:54 cait @wunder Konstanz
18:54 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -11.5�C (7:49 PM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -16.0�C. Windchill: -12.0�C. Pressure: 30.53 in 1033.7 hPa (Falling).
18:57 cait brr
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19:01 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
19:01 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -11.0�C (7:42 PM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: -19.0�C. Windchill: -16.0�C. Pressure: 30.72 in 1040.2 hPa (Steady).
19:03 cait I win
19:03 cait :(
19:03 drojf right ;)
19:04 drojf maybe i dont have to go for a walk…
19:04 cait heh
19:04 cait why would you want to do that?
19:04 cait it's cold and it's dark
19:04 cait perfect conditions to hide inside
19:05 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence ks
19:05 huginn` wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 9.1�C (1:04 PM CST on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.23 in 1023.6 hPa (Falling).
19:06 wizzyrea crazy weather.
19:06 jcamins @wunder 07649
19:06 huginn` jcamins: The current temperature in Oradell, New Jersey is 10.7�C (2:01 PM EST on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 19%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Falling).
19:06 jcamins You want crazy? _That_ is crazy.
19:06 wizzyrea yea, that's pretty crazy
19:06 jcamins Last night it was well below freezing.
19:07 tcohen bye #koha
19:07 cait bye tcohen
19:07 drojf cait: because i spent all day sitting in front of my computer. i heard oxygen and some activity is good ;)
19:08 cait hmm rumors
19:08 drojf heh
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19:31 jcamins sekjal: if you ever get a hankering to hunt down memory leaks in the core of C4, you could write a script to slurp an entire database using under mod_perl+NYTProf.
19:31 jcamins :D
19:32 sekjal jcamins:  sounds like fu
19:32 sekjal ~fun
19:32 sekjal though there might be a bit of fu involved
19:32 * jcamins hasn't tried it, but it seems like a better initial test than opac-detail.
19:33 sekjal I'm pretty sure I could set up NYT::Prof in the Apache conf
19:33 sekjal so EVERYTHING runs under it, and reports are generated as appropriate
19:33 jcamins Makes sense to me.
19:33 jcamins Just make sure you have a lot of disk space on /var
19:34 jcamins You should put the instructions for doing that on the wiki.
19:34 sekjal though getting the output converted to HTML reports with unique names would be mildly tricky
19:34 sekjal I was actually just thinking of writing up a guide on how to do NYT::Prof profiling, and have the reports appear on a web-accessible directory automatically
19:34 jcamins I'd leave that running on my VM all the time.
19:35 jcamins Whenever I'm bored take a look at the cumulative report.
19:35 sekjal I just ran Koha's OPAC main page through a WCAG accessibility validator (since I just installed one locally)
19:35 sekjal did VERY well
19:35 * jcamins doesn't know what that means, but it sounds cool.
19:35 sekjal only one small change to make
19:36 jcamins Ah.
19:36 jcamins accessibility++
19:36 sekjal jcamins:  HTML coding for the blind/visually impaired
19:36 sekjal WCAG 2.0 AA is an international standard (one of several)
19:36 sekjal an out-of-the-box Koha OPAC main page only has one failure on that test, and it's very easy to fix
19:37 sekjal of course, if you use the opacheader, OpacNav, opaccredits, etc, you can quickly lose validity
19:37 sekjal but that's not Koha's problem :)
19:37 * jcamins wonders how badly he destroyed accessibility with his new layout.
19:37 cait pretty much i think :P
19:38 sekjal run it through this:
19:38 oleonard Next we'll build in a validator so that you can't make invalid or inaccessible customizations
19:38 * jcamins is doing so.
19:38 jcamins Yeah, pretty much ruined.
19:39 jcamins Wait, no. Good news! The problem is the a:hover color.
19:39 jcamins I can change that. :D
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19:40 sekjal jcamins:  yeah, all the reported issues look very fixable
19:42 jcamins sekjal: I am totally blaming you when Shari asks why I'm restyling my OPAC.
19:42 sekjal oleonard:  if we wrapped the user-editable HTML parts in TinyMCE, there is a validator plugin for it
19:43 sekjal jcamins: :)
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19:53 jcamins We should get rid of the extra <i>s in the cart icon.
19:53 cait brb
19:56 drojf jcamins: i was just wondering what reason there would be to have <i></i><span><i></i><span></span>Lists </span> after i checked our test install ;)
19:56 jcamins drojf: I have no idea.
19:57 jcamins It seems wasteful, though, doesn't it?
19:57 drojf kind of, yes
19:57 oleonard The extra markup is necessary to style the buttons the way they are
19:58 oleonard Now that CSS3 is better supported we can probably get rid of it.
19:58 jcamins oleonard: oh, in that case, never mind.
19:58 drojf ah ok
19:58 * jcamins didn't realize they served any purpose.
19:58 oleonard
19:58 * drojf neither
20:00 * oleonard realizes the link to the original technique quoted in that post is redirected now
20:01 * jcamins decided he didn't care about older browsers and is just using border-radius.
20:02 talljoy is now known as talljoy_later
20:02 * drojf thinks that's a good idea
20:03 drojf people using ie6 should not see anything on the internet but a warning that they won't be able to see anything on the internet
20:04 oleonard And don't forget background-gradient. That's required too if you want the same effect.
20:04 oleonard ...which we've now switched to.
20:04 oleonard ...anyway.
20:05 jcamins oleonard: I don't like gradients, apparently.
20:06 jcamins I think I successfully removed every single gradient from my OPAC.
20:06 oleonard :P
20:06 drojf lol
20:06 cait back
20:06 jcamins A much harder task than you would expect.
20:06 jcamins Especially for IE and Firefox.
20:07 oleonard Because of default browser styles?
20:07 sekjal thanks to a years worth of Google Analytics data, I can justify to my library dropping support for IE6 on our website
20:07 jcamins (where -whatever-: something seemingly *always* overrides -whatever-: 0)
20:07 sekjal less than .2% of traffic
20:07 jcamins Woohoo!
20:08 drojf still frightening though
20:09 * jcamins was thinking of testing his website in Netscape Navigator.
20:09 * drojf goes out for a walk. 9pm, -12°, yeah
20:11 oleonard Careful jcamins, Netscape hijacks every kind of file type it can find related to browsing.
20:12 sekjal what would be really fun is to write a mobile staff client webapp for Koha in HTML5/CSS3/JQuery
20:12 jcamins oleonard: what do you mean?
20:12 sekjal something that ties into the phone's camera for barcode scanning
20:12 oleonard jcamins: I mean assigning HTML file types to itself, etc.
20:12 jcamins oleonard: ah.
20:12 jcamins Yikes.
20:12 jcamins I will use a separate VM.
20:13 jcamins Well, I guess I'd have to, anyway... it probably won't run on a modern OS.
20:13 jcamins There's a Netscape *9*?
20:13 jcamins The last version I used was 4.something.
20:14 jcamins sekjal: doesn't Catalyst have a start on that?
20:14 sekjal jcamins:  they have produced an Android client for Koha
20:14 jcamins Oh, that isn't a webapp?
20:14 jcamins I didn't realize that.
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20:15 sekjal at this time, it only does search and possibly places holds
20:16 wizzyrea fredpierre had a mobile interface
20:16 sekjal I think having a staff client app where you can do inventory and rebarcoding in the stacks would be aces
20:16 wizzyrea ^^ that would be super cool
20:16 jcamins Yes, that would be very cool.
20:17 druthb "The amazing thing is not how well the bear waltzes, but that the bear waltzes at all."  catalyst++
20:20 cait ẞ
20:20 cait ?
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20:23 * sekjal just found his library's trial subscription to Safari Tech Books Online
20:23 wizzyrea oooooo
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20:24 sekjal best title so far:  The Cult of LEGO
20:24 jcamins Lucky you.
20:24 * jcamins remembers that Shari's university may have Safari.
20:24 jcamins :D
20:25 jcamins Alas, no.
20:26 sekjal Koha 3 Library Management System is in here, too
20:27 jcamins You can learn how to use Koha!
20:29 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6943: Added ability to duplicate a budget tree (from the edit sub menu) <[…]e221e950aa6c0cbdc> / Bug 6490 - Lost and paid not updated when book is checked out. <[…]31338f9362f0a1e0e> / Bug 7466 - Cart notification popup should appear onscreen even when b
20:30 jcamins Time to head home. Early, today.
20:30 jcamins I'll be back from Oradell.
20:30 jcamins is now known as jcamins_away
20:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #616 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #612 3 j 23 h ago)
20:32 wizzyrea oradell sounds like a 3rd rate elvish city.
20:32 wizzyrea or something elves use when their teeth hurt.
20:32 wizzyrea or a tiny computer for your mouth.
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20:40 * druthb squees and waves at Space_Librarian
20:41 * Space_Librarian does a happy dance when she sees druthb
20:41 Space_Librarian Good morning/evening! :)
20:41 Space_Librarian @wunder wellington, nz
20:41 huginn` Space_Librarian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0�C (9:00 AM NZDT on February 07, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
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20:50 cait wizzyrea: lol
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20:53 cait night
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21:06 wizzyrea chris_n: about?
21:07 wizzyrea @later tell chris_n will you be pulling bug 7160 into stable?
21:07 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
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21:10 drojf brr
21:12 * Space_Librarian waves at wizzyrea
21:14 wizzyrea heya :)
21:15 Space_Librarian hello! :)
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21:16 jcamins_away bug 7160
21:16 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7160 critical, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , paying fines throws error
21:16 jcamins_away Ah.
21:16 oleonard See ya #koha
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21:17 jcamins_away wizzyrea, now I will think that to
21:17 wizzyrea hehe
21:18 chris_n wizzyrea: yup
21:18 wizzyrea cool beans.
21:18 chris_n can't have that
21:18 chris_n going on
21:18 wizzyrea i assumed it would
21:19 wizzyrea but i was also compelled to ask
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21:20 Space_Librarian Just throwing a quick question out there - was the 3.6 manual ever pdf'ed? Am I going crazy thinking it was?
21:20 schuster ok so I did a stupid thing in my git and am not sure how to fix it!  I copied a file over an existing Koha file by accident.  What is the best way to get the  file from the git repo again to add the changes I was "fixing"?
21:21 wizzyrea git checkout file
21:21 wizzyrea more specifically,
21:21 wizzyrea git checkout path/to/your/file
21:22 schuster That will then get a copy from the repo? and replace the one I botched?
21:22 schuster I'm in a branch called test...
21:22 wizzyrea that will reset your changes
21:23 drojf Space_Librarian: haven't seen it as a PDF
21:23 wizzyrea on that one file
21:23 schuster Ah whew...
21:23 wizzyrea Space_Librarian: it probably is
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21:23 Space_Librarian drojf maybe it was talk a wee while ago. I can't find it as a PDF... Will have to pull one together myself, methinks.
21:24 wizzyrea they were being generated automatically, last I heard
21:24 wizzyrea but I can't find them.
21:24 Space_Librarian so not just me then?
21:24 wizzyrea nope, not just you
21:24 wizzyrea re: the pdf
21:24 wizzyrea it should not be too difficult
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21:25 Space_Librarian shouldn't be, I just have to try get it all in one go.
21:25 wizzyrea what you might do
21:25 wizzyrea would be to clone the documentation repo
21:25 wizzyrea and then... one min.
21:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #616: STILL UNSTABLE in 54 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/616/
21:26 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7453: All patrons should have an expiry date
21:26 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7466 - Cart notification popup should appear onscreen even when button isn't
21:26 jenkins_koha * kyle.m.hall: Bug 6490 - Lost and paid not updated when book is checked out.
21:26 jenkins_koha * chrish: Bug 6943: Added ability to duplicate a budget tree (from the edit sub menu)
21:26 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7453 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Borrower without expiry date breaks opac login
21:26 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7466 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Cart notification popup should appear onscreen even when button is offscreen
21:26 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6490 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Lost and paid not updated when book is checked out without check-in
21:26 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6943 enhancement, P3, ---, chrish, Pushed to Master , Create new budget from a copy of a previous budget
21:26 jenkins_koha Starting build #617 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #612 4 j 0 h ago)
21:32 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Error in records.abs for marc21/biblios <[…]b23934bbc154a88e4> / Bug 7127 - Follow-up - Templates must be valid XHTML <[…]a64b758f7f6912989> / Bug 7127 - Templates must be valid XHTML <[…]tdiff;h=311dbc8bc
21:39 eythian hi
21:41 Space_Librarian morning eythian
21:41 eythian how's it going?
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21:42 Space_Librarian er...
21:43 eythian like that eh? :)
21:47 Space_Librarian I'm trying to find the words and failing.
21:47 Space_Librarian bbiab
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21:48 eythian gone to find words? Maybe they're in the stationery cupboard.
21:48 eythian oh, too slow
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22:06 sekjal night, #koha!
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22:16 schuster wizzyrea after I stashed how do I get those back out of stash?
22:17 eythian schuster: git stash apply
22:17 schuster Ah thanks!
22:17 melia is now known as melia_away
22:17 schuster The book I have doesn't talk about stash!
22:17 schuster by all
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22:20 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #617: STILL UNSTABLE in 53 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/617/
22:20 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7127 - Templates must be valid XHTML
22:20 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7127 - Follow-up - Templates must be valid XHTML
22:20 jenkins_koha * januszop: Error in records.abs for marc21/biblios
22:20 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7127 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Templates must be valid XHTML
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23:15 * jcamins_away ponders cookie baking.
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