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23:15 * jcamins_away ponders cookie baking.
22:20 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7127 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Templates must be valid XHTML
22:20 jenkins_koha * januszop: Error in records.abs for marc21/biblios
22:20 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7127 - Follow-up - Templates must be valid XHTML
22:20 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7127 - Templates must be valid XHTML
22:20 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #617: STILL UNSTABLE in 53 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/617/
22:17 schuster by all
22:17 schuster The book I have doesn't talk about stash!
22:17 schuster Ah thanks!
22:17 eythian schuster: git stash apply
22:16 schuster wizzyrea after I stashed how do I get those back out of stash?
22:06 sekjal night, #koha!
21:48 eythian oh, too slow
21:48 eythian gone to find words? Maybe they're in the stationery cupboard.
21:47 Space_Librarian bbiab
21:47 Space_Librarian I'm trying to find the words and failing.
21:43 eythian like that eh? :)
21:42 Space_Librarian er...
21:41 eythian how's it going?
21:41 Space_Librarian morning eythian
21:39 eythian hi
21:32 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Error in records.abs for marc21/biblios <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c1e47b9359a77b6812173b7b23934bbc154a88e4> / Bug 7127 - Follow-up - Templates must be valid XHTML <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e1ebabf3ec488bc742b6926a64b758f7f6912989> / Bug 7127 - Templates must be valid XHTML <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=311dbc8bc
21:26 jenkins_koha Starting build #617 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #612 4 j 0 h ago)
21:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6943 enhancement, P3, ---, chrish, Pushed to Master , Create new budget from a copy of a previous budget
21:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6490 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Lost and paid not updated when book is checked out without check-in
21:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7466 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Cart notification popup should appear onscreen even when button is offscreen
21:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7453 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Borrower without expiry date breaks opac login
21:26 jenkins_koha * chrish: Bug 6943: Added ability to duplicate a budget tree (from the edit sub menu)
21:26 jenkins_koha * kyle.m.hall: Bug 6490 - Lost and paid not updated when book is checked out.
21:26 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7466 - Cart notification popup should appear onscreen even when button isn't
21:26 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7453: All patrons should have an expiry date
21:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #616: STILL UNSTABLE in 54 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/616/
21:25 wizzyrea and then... one min.
21:25 wizzyrea would be to clone the documentation repo
21:25 wizzyrea what you might do
21:25 Space_Librarian shouldn't be, I just have to try get it all in one go.
21:24 wizzyrea it should not be too difficult
21:24 wizzyrea re: the pdf
21:24 wizzyrea nope, not just you
21:24 Space_Librarian so not just me then?
21:24 wizzyrea but I can't find them.
21:24 wizzyrea they were being generated automatically, last I heard
21:23 Space_Librarian drojf maybe it was talk a wee while ago. I can't find it as a PDF... Will have to pull one together myself, methinks.
21:23 wizzyrea Space_Librarian: it probably is
21:23 schuster Ah whew...
21:23 wizzyrea on that one file
21:23 drojf Space_Librarian: haven't seen it as a PDF
21:22 wizzyrea that will reset your changes
21:22 schuster I'm in a branch called test...
21:22 schuster That will then get a copy from the repo? and replace the one I botched?
21:21 wizzyrea git checkout path/to/your/file
21:21 wizzyrea more specifically,
21:21 wizzyrea git checkout file
21:20 schuster ok so I did a stupid thing in my git and am not sure how to fix it! I copied a file over an existing Koha file by accident. What is the best way to get the file from the git repo again to add the changes I was "fixing"?
21:20 Space_Librarian Just throwing a quick question out there - was the 3.6 manual ever pdf'ed? Am I going crazy thinking it was?
21:19 wizzyrea but i was also compelled to ask
21:18 wizzyrea i assumed it would
21:18 chris_n going on
21:18 chris_n can't have that
21:18 wizzyrea cool beans.
21:18 chris_n wizzyrea: yup
21:17 wizzyrea hehe
21:17 jcamins_away wizzyrea, now I will think that to
21:16 oleonard See ya #koha
21:16 jcamins_away Ah.
21:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7160 critical, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , paying fines throws error
21:16 jcamins_away bug 7160
21:15 Space_Librarian hello! :)
21:14 wizzyrea heya :)
21:12 * Space_Librarian waves at wizzyrea
21:10 drojf brr
21:07 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
21:07 wizzyrea @later tell chris_n will you be pulling bug 7160 into stable?
21:06 wizzyrea chris_n: about?
20:53 cait night
20:50 cait wizzyrea: lol
20:41 huginn` Space_Librarian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0ï¿½C (9:00 AM NZDT on February 07, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 12.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
20:41 Space_Librarian @wunder wellington, nz
20:41 Space_Librarian Good morning/evening! :)
20:41 * Space_Librarian does a happy dance when she sees druthb
20:40 * druthb squees and waves at Space_Librarian
20:32 wizzyrea or a tiny computer for your mouth.
20:32 wizzyrea or something elves use when their teeth hurt.
20:32 wizzyrea oradell sounds like a 3rd rate elvish city.
20:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #616 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #612 3 j 23 h ago)
20:30 jcamins I'll be back from Oradell.
20:30 jcamins Time to head home. Early, today.
20:29 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6943: Added ability to duplicate a budget tree (from the edit sub menu) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=deeefdeaec59ae2f041f78de221e950aa6c0cbdc> / Bug 6490 - Lost and paid not updated when book is checked out. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=58c62f69c1cabf31840006531338f9362f0a1e0e> / Bug 7466 - Cart notification popup should appear onscreen even when b
20:27 jcamins You can learn how to use Koha!
20:26 sekjal Koha 3 Library Management System is in here, too
20:25 jcamins Alas, no.
20:24 jcamins :D
20:24 * jcamins remembers that Shari's university may have Safari.
20:24 jcamins Lucky you.
20:24 sekjal best title so far: The Cult of LEGO
20:23 wizzyrea oooooo
20:23 * sekjal just found his library's trial subscription to Safari Tech Books Online
20:20 cait ?
20:20 cait áºž
20:17 druthb "The amazing thing is not how well the bear waltzes, but that the bear waltzes at all." catalyst++
20:16 jcamins Yes, that would be very cool.
20:16 wizzyrea ^^ that would be super cool
20:16 sekjal I think having a staff client app where you can do inventory and rebarcoding in the stacks would be aces
20:16 wizzyrea fredpierre had a mobile interface
20:15 sekjal at this time, it only does search and possibly places holds
20:14 jcamins I didn't realize that.
20:14 jcamins Oh, that isn't a webapp?
20:14 sekjal jcamins: they have produced an Android client for Koha
20:14 jcamins sekjal: doesn't Catalyst have a start on that?
20:13 jcamins The last version I used was 4.something.
20:13 jcamins There's a Netscape *9*?
20:13 jcamins Well, I guess I'd have to, anyway... it probably won't run on a modern OS.
20:12 jcamins I will use a separate VM.
20:12 jcamins Yikes.
20:12 jcamins oleonard: ah.
20:12 oleonard jcamins: I mean assigning HTML file types to itself, etc.
20:12 sekjal something that ties into the phone's camera for barcode scanning
20:12 jcamins oleonard: what do you mean?
20:12 sekjal what would be really fun is to write a mobile staff client webapp for Koha in HTML5/CSS3/JQuery
20:11 oleonard Careful jcamins, Netscape hijacks every kind of file type it can find related to browsing.
20:09 * drojf goes out for a walk. 9pm, -12Â°, yeah
20:09 * jcamins was thinking of testing his website in Netscape Navigator.
20:08 drojf still frightening though
20:07 jcamins Woohoo!
20:07 sekjal less than .2% of traffic
20:07 jcamins (where -whatever-: something seemingly *always* overrides -whatever-: 0)
20:07 sekjal thanks to a years worth of Google Analytics data, I can justify to my library dropping support for IE6 on our website
20:07 oleonard Because of default browser styles?
20:06 jcamins Especially for IE and Firefox.
20:06 jcamins A much harder task than you would expect.
20:06 cait back
20:06 drojf lol
20:06 oleonard :P
20:06 jcamins I think I successfully removed every single gradient from my OPAC.
20:05 jcamins oleonard: I don't like gradients, apparently.
20:04 oleonard ...anyway.
20:04 oleonard ...which we've now switched to.
20:04 oleonard And don't forget background-gradient. That's required too if you want the same effect.
20:03 drojf people using ie6 should not see anything on the internet but a warning that they won't be able to see anything on the internet
20:02 * drojf thinks that's a good idea
20:01 * jcamins decided he didn't care about older browsers and is just using border-radius.
20:00 * oleonard realizes the link to the original technique quoted in that post is redirected now
19:58 * drojf neither
19:58 oleonard http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=217
19:58 * jcamins didn't realize they served any purpose.
19:58 drojf ah ok
19:58 jcamins oleonard: oh, in that case, never mind.
19:58 oleonard Now that CSS3 is better supported we can probably get rid of it.
19:57 oleonard The extra markup is necessary to style the buttons the way they are
19:57 drojf kind of, yes
19:57 jcamins It seems wasteful, though, doesn't it?
19:56 jcamins drojf: I have no idea.
19:56 drojf jcamins: i was just wondering what reason there would be to have Lists after i checked our test install ;)
19:53 cait brb
19:53 jcamins We should get rid of the extra s in the cart icon.
19:43 sekjal jcamins: :)
19:42 sekjal oleonard: if we wrapped the user-editable HTML parts in TinyMCE, there is a validator plugin for it
19:42 jcamins sekjal: I am totally blaming you when Shari asks why I'm restyling my OPAC.
19:40 sekjal jcamins: yeah, all the reported issues look very fixable
19:39 jcamins I can change that. :D
19:39 jcamins Wait, no. Good news! The problem is the a:hover color.
19:38 jcamins Yeah, pretty much ruined.
19:38 * jcamins is doing so.
19:38 oleonard Next we'll build in a validator so that you can't make invalid or inaccessible customizations
19:38 sekjal run it through this: http://achecker.ca/checker/index.php
19:37 cait pretty much i think :P
19:37 * jcamins wonders how badly he destroyed accessibility with his new layout.
19:37 sekjal but that's not Koha's problem :)
19:37 sekjal of course, if you use the opacheader, OpacNav, opaccredits, etc, you can quickly lose validity
19:36 sekjal an out-of-the-box Koha OPAC main page only has one failure on that test, and it's very easy to fix
19:36 sekjal WCAG 2.0 AA is an international standard (one of several)
19:36 sekjal jcamins: HTML coding for the blind/visually impaired
19:36 jcamins accessibility++
19:36 jcamins Ah.
19:35 sekjal only one small change to make
19:35 * jcamins doesn't know what that means, but it sounds cool.
19:35 sekjal did VERY well
19:35 sekjal I just ran Koha's OPAC main page through a WCAG accessibility validator (since I just installed one locally)
19:35 jcamins Whenever I'm bored take a look at the cumulative report.
19:34 jcamins I'd leave that running on my VM all the time.
19:34 sekjal I was actually just thinking of writing up a guide on how to do NYT::Prof profiling, and have the reports appear on a web-accessible directory automatically
19:34 sekjal though getting the output converted to HTML reports with unique names would be mildly tricky
19:34 jcamins You should put the instructions for doing that on the wiki.
19:33 jcamins Just make sure you have a lot of disk space on /var
19:33 jcamins Makes sense to me.
19:33 sekjal so EVERYTHING runs under it, and reports are generated as appropriate
19:33 sekjal I'm pretty sure I could set up NYT::Prof in the Apache conf
19:32 * jcamins hasn't tried it, but it seems like a better initial test than opac-detail.
19:32 sekjal though there might be a bit of fu involved
19:32 sekjal ~fun
19:32 sekjal jcamins: sounds like fu
19:31 jcamins :D
19:31 jcamins sekjal: if you ever get a hankering to hunt down memory leaks in the core of C4, you could write a script to slurp an entire database using opac-export.pl under mod_perl+NYTProf.
19:08 drojf heh
19:08 cait hmm rumors
19:07 drojf cait: because i spent all day sitting in front of my computer. i heard oxygen and some activity is good ;)
19:07 cait bye tcohen
19:07 tcohen bye #koha
19:06 jcamins Last night it was well below freezing.
19:06 wizzyrea yea, that's pretty crazy
19:06 jcamins You want crazy? _That_ is crazy.
19:06 huginn` jcamins: The current temperature in Oradell, New Jersey is 10.7ï¿½C (2:01 PM EST on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 19%. Dew Point: -12.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Falling).
19:06 jcamins @wunder 07649
19:06 wizzyrea crazy weather.
19:05 huginn` wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 9.1ï¿½C (1:04 PM CST on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 1.0ï¿½C. Windchill: 8.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.23 in 1023.6 hPa (Falling).
19:05 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence ks
19:04 cait perfect conditions to hide inside
19:04 cait it's cold and it's dark
19:04 cait why would you want to do that?
19:04 cait heh
19:04 drojf maybe i dont have to go for a walkâ€¦
19:03 drojf right ;)
19:03 cait :(
19:03 cait I win
19:01 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -11.0ï¿½C (7:42 PM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: -19.0ï¿½C. Windchill: -16.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.72 in 1040.2 hPa (Steady).
19:01 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
18:57 cait brr
18:54 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -11.5ï¿½C (7:49 PM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -16.0ï¿½C. Windchill: -12.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.53 in 1033.7 hPa (Falling).
18:54 cait @wunder Konstanz
18:54 drojf i was wondering because i thought that it worked for me when i tried it some time ago. our lexile numbers are something like "A1", "A2" etc. and not strictly numeric. but it turns out that in my older file it is "melm 521$a lex,lex:n" and in master "lex" is missing and only "melm 521$a lex:n" is left so either i added that here when i was fiddling around with it (i doubt that) or somebody else deleted it.
18:54 cait @
18:50 jcamins drojf: in principle.
18:44 drojf does lex:n strictly mean "numeric value" in the sense of "digits"?
18:42 drojf that's good :)
18:41 cait no longer grumpy ;)
18:40 cait :)
18:40 drojf hooray
18:40 cait yep
18:40 drojf can you see again? :)
18:40 drojf hi cait
18:40 cait and hi!
18:40 cait drojf++ :)
18:28 jcamins lol
18:27 drojf but i will get it eventually
18:26 drojf before i knew zebra i thought marc21 was crazy
18:26 drojf yes
18:26 jcamins But that addition has to go before the melm 653.
18:26 drojf thanks
18:25 drojf woohoo
18:25 jcamins Right.
18:25 drojf so i don't screw up the following 653 "Subject" indexing, is that correct?
18:25 drojf melm 653$a ln-class:w,ln-class:s,Subject,Subject:p
18:25 drojf if i understand the wiki correctly i have to use
18:25 drojf melm 653 Subject,Subject:p
18:25 drojf in record.abs. there is already
18:25 drojf melm 653$a ln-class:w,ln-class:s
18:25 drojf jcamins: another zebra question if you don't mind. i need
18:14 jcamins lol
18:13 * chris_n wonders if Quiznos realizes that cookies are always free on the internet
18:07 sekjal lunch time!
18:05 Guillaume So long
18:05 Guillaume Ah, cool !
18:05 jcamins Guillaume: no, you can go home now. :)
18:05 Guillaume No more french needed here ?
18:04 Guillaume ok
18:04 jcamins I'm writing about a book that BDIC owns a copy of, and I wanted to make sure I was listing the right library.
18:04 druthb hm.
18:04 * druthb tries again.
18:04 Guillaume :'(
18:04 druthb wait...why didn't.. *boggle*
18:04 druthb /me makes jcamins another cup of tea.
18:04 Guillaume Great news !
18:04 jcamins Nope.
18:04 Guillaume Koha interest in BDIC ?
18:04 * jcamins has only had two cups of tea today.
18:03 jcamins Thanks.
18:03 jcamins Heh. Guess I should've thought of that earlier.
18:03 drojf fr.wikipedia.org agrees ;)
18:03 Guillaume see http://www.bdic.fr/
18:03 jcamins Thanks!
18:03 jcamins Yay!
18:03 Guillaume yes, I think
18:02 jcamins Guillaume: is "BDIC" the correct abbreviation for the Bibliotheque de documentation internationale contemporaine?
18:02 Guillaume ok
18:02 jcamins I have a very quick question for you.
18:02 Guillaume But not for long ;-)
18:02 jcamins Yay!
18:01 Guillaume I'm french and still here !
18:01 jcamins Alas.
18:01 * jcamins watches all the French people leave.
17:57 jcamins Or anyone from France at all, for that matter?
17:57 jcamins Any BibLibrans around?
17:52 wizzyrea since there's not really something to "sign off on" for that particular thing
17:52 wizzyrea well i'm inclined to comment and say "this works, we should include it"
17:52 cait can't say much about the way it's done
17:52 cait it worked nicely
17:52 cait I did test fredericd's too
17:50 wizzyrea I suppose I could test tcohen's too
17:50 wizzyrea now, this was fdemains cpan version
17:50 wizzyrea never got overwhelmed
17:50 wizzyrea it did somewhere between 80-200 a go
17:49 jcamins Nifty!
17:49 wizzyrea well I did a bib import of 30k records - the daemon seemed to work a treat - I set it to poll every 5 seconds
17:49 chris_n lunch... been there, done that :)
17:48 cait :)
17:48 cait heh
17:48 wizzyrea hmm lunch.
17:48 cait mmh dinner
17:48 * chris_n has to go play with his new TI-nspire
17:48 slef dinner
17:48 slef I like wahanui's reaction to jcamins's suggestion.
17:48 oleonard Ignorance is bliss!
17:47 slef oleonard: put overflow: hide or whatever it is in the CSS? ;-)
17:47 * wizzyrea highfives chris_n
17:46 chris_n snap
17:46 wizzyrea (then submit the patch)
17:46 chris_n and then submit it for inclusion ;-)
17:46 * chris_n thinks if you don't like the way Koha is, do it better
17:46 wahanui jcamins: that doesn't look right
17:46 jcamins oleonard: change it so that you only display one result per page.
17:46 chris_n yeah, I was too
17:46 jcamins oleonard: lol
17:46 wizzyrea O.O
17:46 * oleonard wonders how you modify every page in Koha to eliminate scrolling
17:45 jcamins chris_n: yeah, I've been wondering.
17:45 sekjal oleonard: I just git-bz'ed 6865!
17:45 * chris_n wonders how one would go about "restarting" a web app?
17:42 jcamins (but didn't have time for)
17:42 jcamins Oh, there was another patch oleonard did that I wanted to sign off on.
17:41 wizzyrea too.
17:41 wizzyrea you may get your wish on that one.
17:41 wizzyrea :)
17:41 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6865 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Replace image-based gradient backgrounds with CSS3 gradients
17:41 oleonard Oh no no no, you need a much simpler, more restful bug to test. Something nice and quiet like the follow-up on Bug 6865.
17:41 wizzyrea lol
17:40 jcamins You ran screaming away in horror, I looked on disappointedly. ;)
17:40 wizzyrea i was going to look at it today :)
17:40 jcamins You asked, I answered. :)
17:40 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
17:40 jcamins wizzyrea: did you see my test plan for bug 7284?
17:12 francharb grrrr
17:12 huginn` francharb: The current temperature in Lyon, France is -3.0ï¿½C (6:00 PM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: -17.0ï¿½C. Windchill: -9.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
17:12 francharb @wunder lyon, france
17:12 francharb see ya
17:06 gaetan_B err bye #koha, actually !
17:06 gaetan_B by koha !
16:58 cait is she travelling
16:58 cait oh
16:50 slef [off] envy, even
16:50 slef [off] I don't even Sarah
16:49 huginn` slef: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Bad Oeynhausen DE, Bad Salzuflen, Germany is -8.3ï¿½C (5:33 PM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -14.0ï¿½C. Windchill: -13.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.57 in 1035.1 hPa.
16:49 slef @wunder Bad Salzuflen
16:49 * druthb shivers
16:49 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -10.6ï¿½C (5:44 PM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -16.0ï¿½C. Windchill: -11.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.53 in 1033.7 hPa (Steady).
16:49 druthb @wunder konstanz
16:49 slef surprisingly mild today
16:49 huginn` slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 5.9ï¿½C (4:45 PM GMT on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 2.0ï¿½C. Windchill: 6.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.46 in 1031.4 hPa (Steady).
16:49 slef @wunder Weston-super-Mare SOMERSET
16:48 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 3.3ï¿½C (10:47 AM CST on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 0.0ï¿½C. Windchill: 3.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027.0 hPa (Steady).
16:48 druthb @wunder 66049
16:34 jcamins Actually, in Perl that's necessary for certain types of dispatching, isn't it?
16:33 * jcamins isn't.
16:29 tcohen yes, I confess i was suprised
16:29 tcohen jcamins: hahaha
16:29 jcamins tcohen: I meant "you're surprised?"
16:29 tcohen goto &lib::function if condition_not_valid
16:28 tcohen and it has stuff like
16:28 tcohen yeap, its a wrapper library
16:28 * oleonard remembers the kerfuffle when they added it to PHP not too long ago
16:27 jcamins tcohen: really?
16:26 * tcohen never thought I would find a 'goto' on a modern library
16:26 cait but the tags are not consistent on git anyway
16:25 cait not getting confused
16:25 slef the difference gets me sometimes
16:25 cait hm no
16:25 slef rel_3_6 is bugzilla, 3.6.x is git
16:25 cait slef: um - where are those? bugzilla?
16:25 * slef has old eyes
16:25 jcamins cait: yay!
16:25 slef cait: ever get confused between rel_3_6 and 3.6.x?
16:25 * cait has new glasses :)
16:24 cait hi jcamins :)
16:24 slef jcamins: I suspect so.
16:24 cait good idea
16:24 cait oh
16:24 jcamins slef: imagemagick?
16:24 cait hm no ida?
16:24 cait hi slef :)
16:24 slef on debian squeeze.
16:24 slef other random fun things to check: how does koha end up pulling in libgtk2.0-common
16:23 slef hi cait
16:20 slef maybe another bugzilla change to suggest on list
16:19 slef jcamins: ask git for rel_3_6 and it checks out master instead, which is a pig to fix
16:19 jcamins slef: that's confusing.
16:19 drojf jcamins++ # just learned that you actually count here :)
16:19 slef jcamins: rel_3_6 in bugzilla, 3.6.x in git IIRC
16:19 jcamins slef: huh? What's the difference?
16:18 slef does anyone else get confused between rel_3_6 and 3.6.x or is it just me?
16:18 drojf ah, i see. thanks for clarifying!
16:16 jcamins drojf: exactly what it sounds like. The data ends up in an index, but it doesn't appear to be commingle with the :w-indexed data, and therefore doesn't work with CCL.
16:16 tcohen wizzyrea++ :-D :-D
16:15 * wizzyrea needs MOAR RECORDS
16:15 wizzyrea tcohen: so far so good :)
16:13 drojf jcamins: what do you mean by "it goes somewhere else"?
16:12 hdl jcamins: and with abs2dom, it is even worse.
16:11 jcamins In practice, it goes somewhere else.
16:11 jcamins drojf: in principle without a type is the same as :w.
16:08 tcohen i hope I was right :$
16:08 tcohen ooops
16:08 * wizzyrea goes to verify that claim :)
16:08 wizzyrea cool, that's what I was wondering
16:08 tcohen i've never used batch-mod
16:08 tcohen wizzyrea: as it works sequentialy, it wont start a new run until it wont finish the 10000 items edit queue
16:08 wizzyrea tcohen: do you have any experience with batch-mod + the daemon? How does it work?
16:07 drojf sorry for the flood :)
16:07 druthb trea++
16:07 drojf would be glad if someone could enlighten me. the indexdata doc did not really help or i'm too blind to find much on that matter there.
16:07 drojf what is the difference between "Title" here and "Title:w" for melm 245$a?
16:07 drojf melm 730 Title,Title:p,Title-uniform
16:07 drojf 2. what is the difference between :w and no : at all? for example
16:07 drojf 1. i suppose sort index is for all fields that i would like to sort my results by. is that correct?
16:07 drojf i understand :p is phrase, :w is word and :s is sort index. i guess :n (not in this example) is number. i can guess the difference between word and phrase indexing.
16:07 drojf melm 245$a [â€¦] Title:w,Title:p,Title:s
16:07 drojf i have some zebra questions. in record.abs i find :p, :w, :s, :n, for example
16:06 wizzyrea sekjal: that's a great idea.
16:06 sekjal wizzyrea: do a batch item edit on 10,000 materials... that should load it up pretty good
16:06 reiveune bye
16:04 wizzyrea sure sure.
16:04 tcohen well, it was fixed for master and such....
16:04 wizzyrea I'd love to try it out on NExpress, but I can certainly confirm that it works as described
16:03 wizzyrea holy cannoli.
16:03 tcohen it's been year and a half in production here
16:03 wizzyrea you run it in production?
16:02 wizzyrea would need to put it under load, though.
16:02 tcohen That's what my librarians think :-D
16:02 wizzyrea sub-minute zebraqueue processing is pretty great.
16:02 wizzyrea so far so good on 5166 :D
15:59 jcamins Ooh, this I like.
15:57 tcohen that would be as easy as memoizing everything we consider can be cached
15:57 tcohen hdl: I think once we have a proper method for invalidating cached data
15:56 hdl Consider also caching the results for pages.
15:56 hdl tcohen: it would be something to consider.
15:55 jcamins :)
15:55 jcamins Since I'm not writing such an interface yet, I'm not particularly vigorous in my calls.
15:54 * jcamins has been calling for an option for an out-of-band rendering daemon so that he could cache more aggressively without causing any problems for other Koha-ians.
15:52 * jcamins would cache the results of the XSLT processing if he could.
15:51 jcamins But I'm very big on caching.
15:48 jcamins It sounds like a good idea to *me*.
15:46 tcohen just needed a confirmation of anyone that it was worth giving it a try
15:46 tcohen i'll do some tests and come back
15:45 tcohen the memoize::memcached dev told me to take over the lib
15:45 jcamins This makes sense to me.
15:44 tcohen i propose memoize_memcached(func_name,...,%functions_that_invalidate_cache)
15:44 tcohen we now have memoize_memcached(func_name,...)
15:44 jcamins That sounds very logical to me.
15:43 tcohen the same way it is done for memoizing functions
15:43 tcohen and create wrapper functions for those 'writers that invalidate cache'
15:43 tcohen we add a list of references to funcionts that invalidate cache for a specific memoized function
15:42 tcohen I'd like to propose a modification of memoize::memcached so
15:42 jcamins I probably don't know enough to respond. :(
15:42 jcamins tcohen: I'd like to hear about the proposal. :)
15:42 tcohen is there anyone here that wants to talk about a proposal I have around memoization?
15:40 * jcamins is particularly proud of the various "Actions" menus. :)
15:40 jcamins Any further suggestions are welcome!
15:40 jcamins oleonard: thanks.
15:39 oleonard Nice work jcamins, that's really snazzy
15:39 * druthb is gonna have to get back to work on some good ideas--I used to be 9th!
15:38 huginn` jcamins: Highest karma: "rangi" (506), "oleonard" (425), and "wizzyrea" (288). Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-70), and "-" (-41). You (jcamins) are ranked 9 out of 1935.
15:38 jcamins @karma
15:38 huginn` druthb: Highest karma: "rangi" (506), "oleonard" (425), and "wizzyrea" (288). Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-70), and "-" (-41). You (druthb) are ranked 12 out of 1935.
15:38 druthb @karma
15:38 jcamins oleonard++ # for his insightful blog that helped with the redesign of http://demo.cplibraries.com/
15:38 huginn` druthb: "rangi": 511, "oleonard": 429, "wizzyrea": 288, "gmcharlt": 284, "chris_n": 262, "cait": 228, "nengard": 206, "sekjal": 196, "jcamins": 171, "paul_p": 166, "kf": 149, "druthb": 140, "magnuse": 129, "slef": 124, "eythian": 79, "hdl": 62, "hdl_laptop": 60, "biblibre": 57, "jwagner": 54, "fredericd": 54, "thd": 45, "kmkale": 44, "atz": 44, "pianohacker": 39, and "larsw": 37
15:38 druthb @most increased
15:37 * druthb snickers.
15:36 wizzyrea whoa whoa whoa.
15:36 tcohen wizzyrea++
15:36 * druthb has reasons of her own for giving wizzyrea extra karma.
15:36 * jcamins tried testing it but after finding that it seemed to work realized that he hadn't been around long enough to know what exactly zebraqueuedaemon was supposed to do.
15:35 druthb wizzyrea++
15:35 wizzyrea (it's still installing!)
15:35 wizzyrea pft, you can give me karma if I actually get the testing done :P
15:34 wizzyrea heya
15:34 jcamins wizzyrea++
15:34 * jcamins waves to everyone.
15:28 oleonard wizzyrea++
15:28 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5166 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Reintroduce a zebraqueue daemon, make several rebuild_zebra.pl functions a lib
15:28 wizzyrea i'm getting ready to test bug 5166
15:27 wizzyrea heya
15:27 * druthb waves to wizzyrea. :)
15:17 hdl drojf1: which zebra ? the zebra before dom or after dom :D
15:14 * wizzyrea waves
15:09 * drojf1 wonders if he will understand zebra before koha has solr
14:58 clrh thantks cait oleonard francharb for vocab answer (I was afk one hour, sorry)
14:38 lculber Bye, koha!
14:38 francharb :)
14:37 lculber francharb: So rarely can I contribute anything, I'm very glad to help.
14:37 francharb i'm going to tell the developer that they can find advices here! ;)
14:36 francharb ok
14:34 lculber francharb: we have regular books too and files. Those have holds too. But we only allow one day on everything except for staff.
14:33 francharb for the library we are working with, it looks like a little bit more complex since they dont want the patron to be able to place hold on the available books + they have "regular" stacks and 1 day loan is not enought for their needs
14:32 lculber francharb: or if the law says they are restricted for some reason there are more hoops to go through
14:31 lculber francharb: if they are rare or fragile or "special"
14:30 lculber francharb: yes. There are books, manuscripts, maps, photos, and audio-visuals
14:30 francharb is the archive part of the library?
14:30 francharb lculber, do you only have "special access" books in you library?
14:30 lculber They still have to do hold request though. Just jump through more hoops.
14:29 lculber francharb: we have some items that are so rare they have to ask for special permission and sign papers, but those are few.
14:28 francharb ok
14:28 collum If the item we retrieve cannot be checked-out, we just ask the patron to bring it back to the reference desk. Otherwise, our closed stacks have normal circulation periods.
14:27 lculber francharb: right
14:27 francharb right?
14:27 francharb so you allow hold on available items, tight?
14:27 lculber francharb: Yes, They do a hold request.
14:26 francharb lculber, and before that? the patron ask for the access?
14:26 hdl lculber: hourly loans... is the stuff we are to look and work on
14:26 francharb so i won't know how it will work
14:25 lculber francharb: We allow items to be checked out only for a day and only in a certain room (with a guard)
14:25 francharb lculber, collum, but i'm not in charge of this development
14:25 francharb lculber, collum, one of the libraries we are working with ask us to develop a something to manage the access to the closed stacks
14:24 hdl collum: lculber and oleonard thanks
14:23 lculber Ours are one of a kind and rare.
14:22 collum We store our old newspapers and magazines in closed stacks. Mainly because of space limitations.
14:22 lculber Most of our collections are circulated through closed stacks.
14:21 hdl k tahnks.
14:21 francharb oleonard, that's funny, i checked on wikipedia and found the same page
14:21 oleonard "A closed stack library contains books and other items that are not available for viewing or browsing by the general public"
14:20 lculber francharb: we use closed stacks in archives. Could we help maybe?
14:20 oleonard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_closed_stack_libraries
14:20 francharb oleonard, i think that the same question
14:20 hdl oleonard: could be.
14:20 hdl francharb: thanks.
14:20 oleonard "documents" made me think you meant something other than books.
14:19 francharb ?
14:19 hdl francharb: beat me.
14:19 hdl oh yeas.
14:19 lculber hello koha. francharb still around?
14:19 oleonard Is this the same question francharb just asked? I think "closed stacks" is correct
14:18 hdl you know a room where only librarians can access and bring documents to users ?
14:18 collum Vertical file?
14:18 oleonard Stock documents? I don't understand.
14:17 hdl in libraries in france it is called "magasin"
14:17 hdl oleonard: how do you call the place where you stock documents in a library ?
14:05 * oleonard taps experimentally on the microphone
14:01 oleonard I am seeking opinions.
14:01 oleonard UPDATE reviews SET borrowernumber = NULL WHERE borrowernumber IN (SELECT borrowernumber FROM deletedborrowers);
14:01 oleonard DELETE FROM reviews WHERE biblionumber IN (SELECT biblionumber from deletedbiblio);
14:01 oleonard I'm thinking running an update on reviews before doing the update is in order
14:00 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7493 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Deleting a record with comments breaks "Recent Comments"
14:00 oleonard So, to recap: Fix for Bug 7493 would be to add foreign key constraints on biblio and borrowers, but trying to do so when deleted biblios or borrowers are referenced in reviews table causes error
13:47 francharb ;)
13:47 francharb see ya
13:46 cait ok, have to go, bbl
13:46 cait francharb: I think french and german libraries are similar - well except for the fine in days thing perhps :)
13:45 francharb talking
13:45 francharb that's exactly what we are taking about
13:43 cait to a hold
13:43 cait so someone can go and get them for you, in difference to a holds - which here will only be allowed on checked out books
13:43 francharb thanks cait !
13:43 cait german libraries do that too - and you have to order available books :)
13:43 cait francharb: closed stacks is what we were told to call it
13:37 francharb thanks!
13:37 francharb oki
13:37 oleonard If I recall correctly it's the term we used when I worked in a library with that kind of setup
13:37 francharb because the library doesnt have enought room to display them
13:37 francharb it could be just to store books
13:36 francharb oleonard, is it the word you used in your library?
13:36 oleonard "closed stacks" sounds like a good phrase for that
13:36 francharb book
13:36 francharb because they can't be issues like "normal" bool
13:35 francharb cait, is "book stack" the word commonly used for the room closed to public where a library keep books
13:35 cait clrh: perhaps when you describe people will have an idea?
13:33 cait not sure, I don't know french :)
13:33 cait clrh: perhaps closed stacks?
13:29 clrh bookstack
13:28 clrh in frensh it is called "communication sur place" or "demande en magasin"
13:26 clrh I have a vocabulary question
13:26 wahanui que tal, clrh
13:26 clrh hello
12:25 marcelr bye
12:13 kf bye all
11:33 kf brrr
11:33 drojf1 i've seen people riding bikes on the canal near my home yesterday :D
11:27 magnuse brr
11:27 drojf1 oj, the windchill does look worse
11:26 drojf1 thanks
11:26 drojf1 seems not worse than berlin :)
11:26 drojf1 ah!
11:26 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Tromso, Norway is -16.0ï¿½C (11:50 AM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -19.0ï¿½C. Windchill: -24.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising).
11:26 magnuse @wunder tos
11:26 drojf1 no love for tromsÃ¸
11:26 huginn` magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
11:26 magnuse @wunder tromso, norway
11:25 drojf1 where does he get the info from?
11:25 drojf1 :(
11:25 huginn` drojf1: Error: No such location could be found.
11:25 drojf1 @wunder tromsÃ¸, norway
11:24 huginn` drojf1: Error: No such location could be found.
11:24 drojf1 @wunder tromso
11:24 drojf1 but he could see ;)
11:24 kf heh
11:23 drojf1 i had a crazy flatmate once that taped his glasses. for a few days until he has a new pair people thought. but he kept wearing them for weeks or months, fixed with blue tape. looked crazy :)
11:23 kf I tried taping, but didn't work
11:22 kf they are trying to build a replacement using a reamless frame... hopefully it works
11:22 drojf1 tape them together ;)
11:22 kf yeah
11:22 drojf1 ouch
11:22 kf they broke into 2 pieces
11:21 drojf1 what happened to your glasses?
11:21 kf + my grumpiness
11:21 drojf1 thanks. i understand it now
11:21 kf I blame all typos today on my missing glasses
11:21 kf heh
11:21 drojf1 took
11:21 drojf1 narf
11:21 drojf1 wook. damn keyboard
11:21 drojf1 :)
11:21 drojf1 tool a while
11:21 kf if you use title level itemtypes you can have 1 item for referecne, others avaulable for loan
11:21 drojf1 ah!
11:20 kf so all items of the record, have the itemtype of 942$c
11:20 kf record level itemtypes mean you don't have an itemtype on item level
11:20 drojf1 i'm not sure if i understand what that means. what is the difference?
11:19 kf it's similar
11:19 kf item-level_itypes is the pref I think
11:19 drojf1 yeah that is the ine i am wondering about especially. is it the same as 952y?
11:19 kf is used when you work with recod level itemtypes and as a default for adding new items
11:19 kf 942$c itemtype
11:19 kf or one
11:18 kf drojf1: only 3 fields I think that are important there
11:18 magnuse they had -37 or something last night
11:17 drojf1 omg
11:17 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Kautokeino, Norway is -30.0ï¿½C (7:00 AM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -33.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Falling).
11:17 magnuse @wunder kautokeino
11:17 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -9.0ï¿½C (11:50 AM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -12.0ï¿½C. Windchill: -18.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
11:17 magnuse @wunder boo
11:17 drojf1 frozen fingers ;)
11:16 drojf1 find
11:16 drojf1 i can only fint it in the indexing part of the deocumentation
11:16 drojf1 *wiki page
11:16 drojf1 is there a wikip gae for 942 like this one for 952 http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29#MARC21_Holding_field.2C_3.0.x.2C_3.2.x_and_3.4.x_default_-_field_952?
11:16 drojf1 hm
11:16 huginn` drojf1: unknown tag 942
11:16 drojf1 @marc 942
11:14 drojf1 not sure how much i like that
11:14 drojf1 they say i's going to stay that cold for a while
11:13 drojf1 heh
11:12 asaurat so now you're warm for 25 more years
11:11 drojf1 yup
11:11 kf eew
11:11 drojf1 coldest night in 25 years last night
11:11 huginn` kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -9.0ï¿½C (12:00 PM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -15.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.53 in 1034 hPa (Rising).
11:11 kf @wunder Konstanz
11:10 huginn` drojf1: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -13.4ï¿½C (11:42 AM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -20.0ï¿½C. Windchill: -17.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.72 in 1040.2 hPa (Falling).
11:10 drojf1 @wunder berlin, germany
11:10 kf :)
11:10 drojf1 hi kf :)
11:10 kf hi drojf1
11:10 drojf1 hi #koha
09:43 magnuse good news for the rest of us, that is... ;-)
09:42 mtj well, good news.... :) its buggy bib-data causing my problem, not Koha
08:45 francharb hello
08:43 magnuse yay
08:42 mtj thanks magnuse, ill report my findings - when finished
08:40 magnuse happy hunting mtj!
08:39 mtj ....i'll keep poking till i get to the bottom of it :)
08:37 mtj i wonder if there might be a s/bib/bibitem/ typo, in the C4::Biblio.pm file, thats causing this even?
08:35 mtj hmm, i do need to re-confirm this.... and make sure its not some glitchy bib data - thats the problem
08:34 mtj for some Koha bibs with mismatching bib and bib-item numbers, the script does some bib corruption ?!? :/
08:32 mtj heya amit
08:32 mtj .... the bug happens when running the post-upgrade '/remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl' script
08:31 mtj i think i have discovered an interesting bug with a Koha.2.2 upgrade , to a Koha-3.4
08:31 magnuse hi Amit_Gupta
08:30 Amit_Gupta mtj around?
08:30 Amit_Gupta heya magnuse
08:29 magnuse ff 10, eh? moving fast!
08:27 mtj kia ora magnuse , hi all
08:27 * magnuse waves to mtj
08:26 magnuse bonjour paul_p
08:22 marcelr hi mtj
08:22 marcelr ok
08:22 * mtj waves to europe
08:22 kf my glasses are broken, I have a hard time reading my mails
08:22 marcelr oops
08:22 kf marcelr: sorry not today
08:22 marcelr hi paul_p
08:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3264 major, P2, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Uncloning a dropdown list in MARC authorities/biblio editor may clear all subfields (see comment 17)
08:21 marcelr kf: could you check on bug 3264 shortly?
08:21 paul_p (marcelr & kf mainly)
08:21 paul_p good morning Europe !
08:21 marcelr hi kf
08:21 kf hi marcelr
08:20 asaurat hi!
08:08 marcelr hi gaetan_B
08:07 wahanui privet, gaetan_B
08:07 gaetan_B hello
08:02 marcelr hi kf
08:02 kf good morning #koha
08:01 reiveune hi :)
08:00 marcelr hi reiveune
08:00 reiveune hello
07:52 magnuse yeah
07:52 marcelr for them unusual
07:52 magnuse still cold in marseille too!
07:51 magnuse marcelr: true
07:51 marcelr not as in norway
07:51 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is -4.0ï¿½C (8:30 AM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: -14.0ï¿½C. Windchill: -12.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
07:51 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:51 magnuse ooh, that's cold!
07:51 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Amsterdam, Netherlands is -9.0ï¿½C (8:25 AM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -13.0ï¿½C. Windchill: -14.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 30.54 in 1034 hPa (Steady).
07:51 magnuse @wunder amsterdam, netherlands
07:51 marcelr ?
07:51 huginn` marcelr: Error: No such location could be found.
07:51 magnuse hiya marcelr
07:51 marcelr @wunder amsterdam
07:50 marcelr hi magnuse
07:50 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -11.0ï¿½C (8:20 AM CET on February 06, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -13.0ï¿½C. Windchill: -21.0ï¿½C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
07:50 magnuse @wunder boo
07:50 magnuse kia ora #koha
07:45 alex_a :s
07:45 marcelr not that much
07:45 alex_a marcelr: do you know about koha and ldap ?
07:45 alex_a hi marcelr
07:40 marcelr hi paul_p & alex_a
07:38 alex_a morning koha
07:32 paul_p_ good morning #koha
07:30 marcelr hi koha
05:51 cait hi Amit
05:49 Amit_Gupta heya cait
05:44 cait t
05:34 cait_______ morning koha
03:42 Amit_Gupta heya bag