IRC log for #koha, 2012-02-01

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00:36 eythian rangi: know anything about t/Csv.t and t/Koha_template_plugin_KohaDates.t having the same issue?
00:36 eythian because they seem to.
00:42 rangi ah yep follow up on 929 for the KohaDates one
00:42 rangi and i think need one on 5327 for the CSV one
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01:12 Smurk Help...
01:12 Smurk I can't restart rebuild-zebra...
01:12 Smurk Someone help me. :(
01:14 eythian Smurk: provide more information
01:17 Smurk Whatever command I enter, the shell says "-sh [command] not found"
01:18 Smurk I used to do MORE or CAT (I can't remember) just to read a file, and now I can't even do that...
01:18 Smurk What's wrong with me?  I am really helpless!
01:18 Smurk I have followed the advice from someone in the mailing list (clear the zebra indexes).  Now I just need to start it again, and I can't.
01:19 eythian Smurk: can you use 'less' to read a file?
01:20 eythian but that error is a bit strange...
01:21 Smurk yes, it works
01:24 Smurk What am i supposed to write to restart rebuild zebra ?
01:24 Smurk rebuild_zebra or koha-rebuild-zebra or what else ?
01:25 eythian how have you installed koha? From packages, or from git, or from a tar.gz file?
01:25 Smurk package
01:26 Smurk (sorry, one hand only now :))
01:26 Smurk I guess I should do that[…]oha-rebuild-zebra
01:27 eythian then do 'sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f *nameoflibrary*
01:27 eythian '
01:27 eythian yeah
01:28 Smurk if i dont sudo, it says -sh koha-rebuild... not found
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01:29 Smurk if i sudo, no error on the shell, but zebra doesn't seem to work neither (no search in the catalog)
01:32 eythian that makes sense actually.
01:32 eythian When you say you get no error, do you get anything?
01:33 eythian it should put a lot of information up if you use -v.
01:33 eythian can you paste in the exact command you're using?
01:36 Smurk how do i know for sure if zebra is running?
01:36 Smurk the command I am using is:
01:37 Smurk sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f
01:37 Smurk I don't put any instance name because there aren't any, well I don't think so.
01:37 eythian well there must be, otherwise there is no koha running.
01:37 eythian sudo koha-list will tell you
01:38 Smurk And no, when there is no error on the shell, there is nothing at all.
01:38 Smurk If I do sudo koha-list, the only thing I get is:  library
01:38 Smurk what does that mean?
01:38 eythian that means you have once instance called 'library'
01:38 Smurk Ok...
01:39 Smurk (see, I told you I am helpless
01:39 Smurk )
01:39 eythian :)
01:39 Smurk So I will try again with library.
01:39 eythian at some stage you would have done koha-create library
01:39 eythian yep
01:39 Smurk Ok....
01:39 Smurk Plenty of things happening!
01:39 eythian that's a good sign
01:40 Smurk The thing is I haven't set up the whole thing, I just took over after.  I don't know all these server things.
01:40 eythian ah right
01:40 Smurk When it says "error retrieving biblio no" or "error exporting...", should I care about it?
01:42 eythian can you provide more context? like paste the whole line in (use if it's big)
01:43 Smurk Oops...
01:43 Smurk I tried to copy-paste and it stopped everything.
01:44 Smurk 20601..........................Error exporting record 22583 (biblio) XML at /usr/share/koha/bin/migrat​ion_tools/ line 359.
01:44 Smurk (for instance)
01:45 Smurk Could it be that I have stopped rebuild-zebra?  Maybe I should do it again?  It doesn't do anything else now...
01:46 Smurk OK, I have started it again...
01:49 eythian well, what happens after that?
01:49 eythian that's the important part to know if it's stopped (I'd suspect yes though)
01:49 eythian try it with the '-u' option maybe
01:51 Smurk it's in process now
01:51 Smurk what -u would do?
01:52 eythian it uses a different way of exporting the records.
01:52 eythian Has different failure modes to the XML method.
01:53 eythian although it's probably you have something fishy with biblio record 22583 that you should look at.
01:53 eythian *probable
02:01 Smurk Finished but problem with search engine now
02:02 Smurk And there are dozens of errors like the one i copied here
02:04 Smurk records exported 0 ??
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02:09 Smurk trying again with -u
02:35 bag @wunder 93109
02:35 huginn` bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 12.3�C (6:33 PM PST on January 31, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017.5 hPa (Steady).
02:35 bag @wunder wellington nz
02:35 huginn` bag: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (3:00 PM NZDT on February 01, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Falling).
02:35 bag @wunder 06516
02:35 huginn` bag: The current temperature in Third Avenue Park, West Haven, Connecticut is 5.1�C (9:30 PM EST on January 31, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Steady).
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02:50 SpaceLibrarian My word, this has been a bumpy first day back in the saddle.
02:51 Irma Hi Shelley Spacelibrarian :-)
02:51 Irma HNY !
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02:51 SpaceLibrarian Hi Irma!
02:51 SpaceLibrarian HNY!
02:51 Irma well not so new anymore
02:51 SpaceLibrarian Hope you had a lovely festive season. :)
02:52 SpaceLibrarian And a good Australia Day
02:52 Irma our time was focused on my mother and her recovery from major surgery but she and us and CALYX are all doing well again
02:52 SpaceLibrarian That's fantastic to hear.
02:52 Irma VALA2012? R U coming?
02:54 SpaceLibrarian I wish. Will be watching online from afar...
02:55 Irma Thank you .. will catch up at an other event!
02:55 Irma Take care and sparkle on :-)
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03:08 Smurk Thanks, eythian !  And bye all!
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03:09 SpaceLibrarian Thanks Irma :D
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03:24 AmitG heya bag
03:24 bag yo AmitG
03:26 * eythian gets back to building more packages
03:26 AmitG heya Robin
03:26 eythian hello
03:40 SpaceLibrarian Right. Adios.
03:40 AmitG heya SpaceLibrarina
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03:48 druthb o/
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04:04 AmitG @wunder Bangalore
04:04 huginn` AmitG: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 16.0�C (8:30 AM IST on February 01, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 13.0�C.
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04:06 druthb @wunder 66049
04:06 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Near Free State High, Lawrence, Kansas is 6.4�C (9:39 PM CST on January 31, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 23%. Dew Point: -13.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 28.97 in 980.9 hPa (Steady).
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04:18 stuartyeates rangi: how was this morning? i had intended to be there, but somehow never quite made it
04:21 eythian new Koha packages are deploying now folks.
04:22 eythian s/are deploying/have been deployed/
04:22 bag typos are excepted here eythian
04:22 bag :D
04:22 eythian that wasn't a typo, that was a progress statement
04:23 eythian they uploaded significantly faster than usual, I think our internet may have been upgraded.
04:23 eythian or, not everyone is youtubing at this time of day
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05:13 AmitG heya cait
05:13 cait hi AmitG
05:13 cait :)
05:14 bag yo cait
05:14 cait hi bag
05:15 bag alright I'm going to bed
05:15 bag night night
05:16 cait goood night :)
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07:02 rangi[…]for-january-2012/
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07:37 * magnuse promises himself to do more signoffs in february than in january (which shouldn't be too hard)
07:37 magnuse and kia ora #koha
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07:51 julian_m hello
07:51 wahanui what's up, julian_m
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08:07 asaurat hi
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08:08 gaetan_B hello
08:11 magnuse http://americanlibrariesmagazi[…]-don-t-share-code
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08:17 paul_p good morning #koha
08:17 magnuse kia ora paul_p
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08:18 paul_p bonjour magnuse
08:23 magnuse how did the launch of the sandboxes go yesterday?
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08:36 Amit_Gupta heya magnuse
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08:38 kf good morning #koha
08:44 magnuse hiya Amit_Gupta and kf
08:45 kf hiya magnuse
08:49 Amit_Gupta heya kf
08:56 kf hi Amit_Gupta
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11:07 paul_p very quiet channel today ;-)
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11:14 kf hi paul_p
11:14 kf yes, quiet - everyone busy
11:14 paul_p hi kf.
11:14 kf were you able to solve the problem with the self checks?
11:14 paul_p kf switching back to 3.2 made everything work. For instance I haven't digged more :(
11:15 kf 3.2 version? but only for rfid?
11:15 paul_p there's something wrong with FRENCH 3M equipments, we already knew that, but face the problem once again !
11:15 paul_p yep, SIP server of 3.2
11:15 kf hopefully we will not run into the same problem here
11:15 kf could be the line breaks
11:15 kf that changed
11:15 paul_p I tried that, it seems that's not the only origin of the problem
11:15 kf hm
11:16 paul_p yesterday i concentrated on the sandbox system, that is now just waiting for feedback from early testers before being widely announced.
11:16 kf if we find something, I will let you know
11:16 paul_p it's rewritten the wiki page, added a nice feature (to have information about current sandbox on the sandbox setting page)
11:16 paul_p s/it's/i've/
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11:23 Oak magnuse
11:23 Oak kia ora #koha
11:23 Oak hello miss kf
11:24 kf hi Oak!
11:24 * kf sends cookies
11:24 kf how did your exams go?
11:24 Oak date pushed to 20th February
11:24 kf ah
11:24 Oak yep.
11:25 kf glad or want it to be over?
11:25 Oak want it to be over
11:25 kf understandable
11:25 Oak :)
11:26 * Oak thanks for the cookies
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11:34 slef haha. The patches2bugs mailer just failed because of the new statuses.
11:35 slef what are bug statuses?
11:35 slef bugzilla?
11:35 wahanui i heard bugzilla was found at
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11:37 slef hrm[…]gi?id=fields.html looks wrong to me
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11:48 kf slef: I think we never changed that page - it's still standard
11:48 slef kf: should we file a bug against bugzilla?
11:48 kf hm perhaps we could replace it with a page on the wiki?
11:49 slef I suspect that would be a bigger change to bugzilla code.
11:49 slef Either would be fine, though.
11:49 kf yeah, but perhaps a one time change
11:49 kf and not changing with every new status
11:50 kf *sigh*
11:50 slef I've decided to email bugs if a patch is sent to the patches list and the bug is UNCONFIRMED|NEW|ASSIGNED|REOPENED|In Discussion|Needs Signoff|Failed QA|Patch doesn't apply - that seem sensible?
11:50 kf I am trying to teach koha
11:50 slef cool
11:50 kf tht it should not find a title including missa with a search for missae
11:50 kf and I fail
11:50 slef stemming rules not configured quite right?
11:50 kf nope
11:50 kf I think it's the mappings
11:50 slef not sure how that works OTTOMH though
11:51 kf in word-phrase-utf.chr
11:51 kf something in how it treats ae, ä, a
11:53 slef sounds likely
11:54 kf hm
11:54 kf it might be working now
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13:24 oleonard Hi #koha
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13:46 oleonard Hi sekjal, how's the new job going?
13:48 kf hi oleonard, hi sekjal
13:49 sekjal hi, oleonard, kf
13:49 sekjal new job is going well
13:49 sekjal getting my office set up is a slow process
13:49 sekjal (this is the third time I've had to install Ubuntu)
13:50 * oleonard is officially fed up with Unity
13:50 sekjal I can't stand Unity; running 10.04 LTS so I don't have to take the time to remove it
13:51 kf I think I got finally used to it - but didn't use Ubuntu so much before it changed
13:52 * oleonard has been trying using Gnome 3
13:52 * sekjal is looking at the library's ILS's mobile site right now
13:53 sekjal it's very much in beta
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14:05 slef anyone from bywater alive here?
14:06 slef NateC: just tried to reply to your email, got a "the group you tried to contact may not exist, or you may not have permission to post messages to the group" DSN Failure from Googlemail.
14:06 JesseM yep we all are
14:07 slef JesseM: see comment to NateC ;)
14:07 JesseM got it thanks
14:08 slef as usual, googlemail doesn't report which email address that error is for :-/
14:08 slef lunch
14:09 bag one of the email address on that list - must just be an internal one ;)
14:09 bag hi slef
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14:36 kf jcamins_away: around?
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15:46 jcamins kf: Now I am.
15:48 kf ah
15:48 kf good morning :)
15:49 jcamins Good morning.
15:52 * wizzyrea waves
15:53 jcamins Good morning, wizzyrea.
15:53 kf morning wizzyrea :)
15:54 wizzyrea ok guyssss
15:54 wizzyrea what do you think of this:[…]/faq/circulation/
15:54 * jcamins hisses.
15:54 wizzyrea also: now taking order for faq questions and answers.
15:54 wizzyrea :P
15:54 jcamins Apparently February 1 is not just the first day of the month, it's also "International talk like a snake" day.
15:55 jcamins Looks good to me.
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15:55 wizzyrea O.o
15:56 kf I think perhaps using a list and not italic would make it bit easier to read the list
15:56 kf but you know me... I am weird :)
15:56 kf oh
15:56 wizzyrea oh I'm sure you're right.
15:56 kf ok, I should have clicked the links
15:56 kf that's nice!
15:56 wizzyrea I might be able to have them expanded by default
15:57 wizzyrea do note, the others haven't been ported to the new system yet
15:57 wizzyrea the other faq pages.
15:59 wizzyrea[…]on/faq/searching/
15:59 wizzyrea has tho :P
15:59 wizzyrea also with a newly rewritten "my zebra is bustid, help"
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16:07 kf wizzyrea++ :)
16:11 jcamins Wow! I signed off the most bugs in January?
16:11 kf yep :)
16:11 kf jcamins++
16:12 jcamins Cool.
16:12 * oleonard applies a sticker to jcamins on which a rhinoceros exclaims "Good work!"
16:12 jcamins A rhinoceros?
16:13 * chris_n agrees with kf's assessment of the italic text fwiw
16:13 oleonard jcamins: You would prefer a yak?
16:13 sekjal wow, the umich_bib sample MARC record set is.. quite large
16:13 chris_n the list needs an auto-responder which searches for the term "zebra" in mails and responds with a link to the search FAQ
16:14 kf chris_n: actually... that could work
16:14 jcamins sekjal: yeah, pretty great, isn't it?
16:14 sekjal jcamins: might blow out my VM's tiny little harddrive
16:14 sekjal especially if I try to index it
16:14 * chris_n wonders how large large is
16:14 paul_p hi sekjal !
16:14 sekjal hi, paul_p
16:15 jcamins sekjal: yes, probably would.
16:15 chris_n is it as large as a rhinoceros?
16:15 chris_n or just as large as a yak?
16:15 jcamins sekjal: why are you loading the UMich data?
16:15 sekjal jcamins: building a test database
16:15 * chris_n will now go do something useful
16:16 jcamins sekjal: it does take a lot of disk space.
16:16 sekjal chirs_n: surely there is some kind of correlation between mass and MARC
16:16 jcamins I don't remember how much disk space I used.
16:18 paul_p question to all: BULAC, that uses Koha -with progilone- has a self-registering option on OPAC :[…] it's not in community Koha yet or am I missing something ?
16:20 jcamins There's something like that in Koha.
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16:20 sekjal jcamins: really?
16:20 oleonard nuh-uh
16:20 jcamins sekjal: isn't there?
16:20 * jcamins looks.
16:20 jcamins No, maybe not.
16:20 sekjal it's been talked about, but never committed
16:20 sekjal too many unanswered questions
16:20 jcamins Oh, never mind. I know of a library that did it in PHP.
16:21 paul_p ok, we will ask progilone to contribute their code ;-)
16:21 jcamins Also called memberentry, but memberentry.php.
16:21 sekjal do users get added directly, or go into a 'temp account' state until approved?  What fields should be displayed?  What kind of security should be used?  etc etc etc
16:21 kf paul_p: I think there is an enh bug for it - lots of people would like to see it :)
16:22 jcamins sekjal: the UMich data is a lot for a test database- what are you testing?
16:22 * oleonard would love to see it
16:22 sekjal jcamins: nothing yet; I need the test DB first
16:23 jcamins sekjal: I meant, what do you have on your hit list that requires that much data.
16:23 jcamins Whatever it is, sounds like a nifty feature.
16:23 sekjal jcamins: that's actually too much data for me
16:23 oleonard Who is BULAC? Are they independent?
16:23 sekjal I need a smaller set
16:23 paul_p oleonard bulac is a very very large french library.
16:23 paul_p they are with progilone
16:24 jcamins sekjal: ah, do what I did and filter out a fun subset.
16:24 hdl1 they have hourly circulation
16:24 jcamins I went for the Islamic manuscripts.
16:24 * oleonard grumbles
16:26 * jcamins curses Worldcat.
16:26 * sekjal is now at an institution that uses Aleph and WorldCat Local....
16:26 jcamins All the resources of OCLC, and searches for Hebrew don't actually work?
16:26 jcamins Well, Yiddish.
16:27 * jcamins chooses a few choice expletives from the language in question.
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16:28 jcamins sekjal: remind them that catalog cards may be slow, but at least if you put the Hebrew in alphabetical order people will be able to find the card they want.
16:29 sekjal brb
16:30 wizzyrea yea tons of people want self registration
16:30 wizzyrea it's a hive of 123's tho :)
16:30 wizzyrea doesn't mean necessarily that we should shy away.
16:31 hdl1 wizzyrea: self registration ok... fine, but without captcha system, suicide.
16:34 wizzyrea captcha is bad. I'm "normal" and I can't get it half the time, must be so frustrating for differently abled people.
16:35 * jcamins isn't normal. :P
16:35 wizzyrea bet you still can't get it right some percentage of the time
16:35 hdl1 wizzyrea: then you will have your user table polluted.
16:35 wizzyrea nah, I think the way it would have to work
16:36 hdl1 wizzyrea: on irc is good, on the wiki would be better.
16:36 wizzyrea ohh kay.
16:36 kf hdl1: I think using a temp table and clean that regularly with a script
16:37 wizzyrea ^^ is what I was thinking.
16:37 wizzyrea but, meh.
16:37 kf and perhaps you could limit it to the ip range of the institution?
16:37 kf as an option?
16:37 gaetan_B bye!
16:37 kf so you could have a self registration station
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16:38 wizzyrea ftr, i wasn't saying that you shouldn't have some kind of anti-spam. Just that captcha isn't the right choice.
16:38 oleonard ...and since we haven't solved anit-spam for the cart and lists emails...
16:39 hdl1 there are so many different implementation of captchas.
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16:55 magnuse has anyone considered not using the data fields (000,007,008) for displaying information about material type in result lists and detail views, and instead just use the itemtypes from 942$c?
16:56 oleonard Not everyone uses bib-level itemtype
16:56 magnuse i have a library that has been through a couple migrations, use records imported from various source etc, so the data fields a re a mess, but 942$c is relatively trustworthy
16:57 * oleonard sympathizes with the data fields being a mess, his library's too
16:57 jcamins magnuse: that's already possible.
16:57 slef captcha is described better at and anti-spam is even better than captchas
16:57 jcamins Just disable OPACXSLTIcons or whatever it is.
16:57 magnuse it is? with xslt?
16:58 jcamins Then turn on the item time icons.
16:58 jcamins *type
16:58 jcamins Pretty sure that works with XSLT.
16:58 magnuse there's one called DisplayOPACiconsXSLT
16:58 jcamins Right, turn that off.
16:59 jcamins (I think)
16:59 jcamins Then turn on item type images.
16:59 jcamins Barring that, give the span that contains that stuff an id, and use jQuery to remove it.
17:00 jcamins (and turn on item type images)
17:00 rangi paul_p: around?
17:00 paul_p yep, for some minuts
17:00 paul_p (40)
17:01 magnuse jcamins: noItemTypeImages?
17:01 paul_p rangi yep, for some minuts
17:01 rangi cool, i saw you said aleksa is 172
17:01 rangi i think you might have missed the 4 other academy students (you pushed their tests yesterday :))
17:02 rangi and great timing for aleksa, tomorrow is his last day, then he goes back to school too
17:02 jcamins magnuse: yeah, that's probably the one you have to change.
17:02 magnuse hm, i need to implement DisplayOPACiconsXSLT for NORMARC XSLT...
17:02 rangi[…]oha.git;a=summary
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17:04 rangi also 5327
17:04 magnuse jcamins: hm, i can't seem to find noItemTypeImages in the MARC21 OPAC result-list XSLT
17:04 rangi those db_dependent tests need to be shifted
17:04 rangi because they fail unless the db exists, and when you are running make test as part of the install
17:04 rangi they will fail, because the db does not exist
17:05 rangi all the other tests don't need a database connection
17:05 rangi db_dependent doesnt mean have to have certain data in the db, but that they haave to have connection to the db
17:05 paul_p OK, so db_dependant means "a db access is needed"
17:06 paul_p it means there won't be many tests in t/, as *many* tests relies on database !
17:06 paul_p (i've no problem with that, it's just a comment)
17:06 jcamins magnuse: it's not used in the XSLT.
17:06 oleonard It's in MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl
17:06 jcamins magnuse:[…]
17:06 jcamins See, there are item-type icons.
17:07 jcamins (also the Type: line, but you're removing that)
17:07 rangi paul_p: those are the only ones that require a db connection in there
17:07 rangi all the other tests in t/ dont
17:08 jcamins Or, maybe it is done by XSLT. oleonard would know.
17:08 rangi and thoses one only snuck in in the last few days :)
17:08 oleonard magnuse: Did you look in MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl ?
17:09 magnuse oleonard: yes, but i can't see noItemTypeImages there?
17:09 oleonard Oh sorry I thought we were still on DisplayOPACiconsXSLT
17:10 magnuse ah, yes i found that - and i need to implement it for normarc
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17:10 magnuse but how does jcamins get those big icons to the left of the titles?
17:11 wizzyrea witchcraft!
17:11 magnuse yeah, that would explain it! ;-)
17:11 slef hmmm  20:35-22:50 France 3 Football Marseille / Nice. Coupe de la Ligue. 2e demi-finale
17:12 * oleonard presumes noItemTypeImages is set to "Show" and each biblio has an itemtype set
17:12 magnuse yup
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17:13 paul_p slef ?
17:13 wahanui rumour has it slef is an encyclopedia of FOSS knowledge
17:15 paul_p slef (Marseille won the "coupe de la ligue" in 2010, 2011 irrc and is in semi-final for the 2012 edition, yes it's our Marseille, there's only one in France afaik)
17:15 paul_p (I may watch the match while QAing and pushing some bugs. Or have some family time, still undecided ;-) )
17:16 slef paul_p: just saw that in my tele guide
17:17 oleonard magnuse: You also have to have item-level_itypes set to "biblio record"
17:17 magnuse yeah, i just tried that!
17:18 oleonard Still no luck?
17:18 magnuse yes, changing that displays the big icons that jcamins has! yay!
17:19 magnuse but the description says "Use the item type of the [] as the authoritative item type (for determining circulation and fines rules, etc)."
17:19 slef paul_p: is QA order fixed or can we persuade bug 7476 up the queue?
17:19 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7476 normal, P3, ---, aleksa, Signed Off , Files executable that probably should not be
17:19 magnuse so i thought that wouldn't affect the display...
17:20 paul_p slef I usually QA from older to newest. But you can alway drop QA team a mail to ask for up-ing something !
17:20 oleonard good point magnuse.
17:20 * oleonard is intrigued[…]?biblionumber=189
17:20 slef wahanui: QA team?
17:20 wahanui slef: wish i knew
17:21 paul_p rangi I find only 3 new contributors for history.txt = Bart Jorgensen Jono Mingard and Kate Henderson, am I missing someone ?
17:21 jcamins oleonard:[…]ions/numismatics/
17:22 slef ok, I suck, who's the QA team and what's their email? ;-)
17:22 slef not on
17:23 magnuse oleonard: the documentation describes how item-level_itypes affects the icons
17:23 oleonard jcamins: I thought maybe it was written by the collector: "The greatest group of coins ever gathered by one man, that man being me; by me, Herman Schaden, owner of the greatest group of coins ever gathered by one man.
17:23 jcamins lol
17:24 magnuse lol
17:24 magnuse ...and it belongs to me!
17:24 jcamins slef: sekjal, marcelr, and jdruart.
17:24 jcamins I think.
17:25 magnuse ok, time to make dinner - a million thanks to oleonard and jcamins for pointing me in the right direction!
17:25 slef well, if jcamins is unsure too, I don't feel so bad ;)
17:25 magnuse is now known as magnus_afk
17:25 slef this stuff should be documented
17:25 magnus_afk slef: ?
17:26 * jcamins was telling everyone that magnuse was AQAM, but magnuse says he isn't.
17:26 magnus_afk aqam?
17:26 sekjal slef: jcamins is right about QA team
17:27 jcamins Assistance Quality Assurance Manager.
17:27 magnus_afk ah, Assistant QA Manager - nope, i'm a bug wrangler, and not a very good one at that
17:28 magnus_afk not enough time, bit things are looking better now, slightly
17:28 jcamins :)
17:29 * magnus_afk wanders off
17:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #607 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #605 1 j 19 h ago)
17:31 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: adding 3 contributors from catalyst OpenSource academy <[…]ef4dbe970ff92f544> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_5327' <[…]9faa9299843c42fd3> / Bug 5327 - move another test around <[…];a=commitdiff;h=8
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17:33 * slef goes to wash up while the guy with the angle grinder keeps disrupting his thoughts
17:34 fredpierre Hey all! I got my mobile Koha changes uploaded at gitorious. Thanks for your good advice yesterday. It took me a while to figure out that I had to stage and commit my changes before I could push them to the repository.
17:34 jcamins Woohoo!
17:34 jcamins fredpierre++
17:34 wizzyrea :D nice!
17:34 sekjal agreed, fredpierre++
17:35 wizzyrea fredpierre++
17:35 oleonard fredpierre: I missed that yesterday. Is there a version online for viewing?
17:35 fredpierre They are posted as project Koha mobile web, repository kohaclone. Is that accessible to others?
17:35 jcamins Not to me.
17:35 wizzyrea oleonard:
17:35 wizzyrea I think
17:36 fredpierre Yes, it is online at our website, detects for mobile devices and delivers a mobile interface.
17:36 fredpierre There's some customization with our logos and color schemes, but I think others could use the Koha part of it. I used jQuery mobile for the button menus and navigation.
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17:38 wizzyrea it's purty.
17:38 jcamins Ah, here we go:
17:38 fredpierre Thanks!
17:39 fredpierre The jQuery for mobile is a great framework for mobile development.
17:39 fredpierre Thanks jcamins. So that is accessible to all?
17:39 * rangi has lots of respect for single parents
17:39 jcamins fredpierre: yes.
17:40 fredpierre Excellent. I hope it useful to others. I can e-mail the list if you think it is a good idea.
17:40 rangi laurel has been in hospital since 2pm yesterday, trying to get these 2 ready for school after a restless night sleep ... finally got them eating now
17:40 oleonard Oh no rangi, everything okay?
17:41 rangi bad asthma attack + some kinda chest infection
17:41 wizzyrea :O oh no!
17:42 fredpierre Expressing hope for a speedy recovery!
17:42 wizzyrea ^^ same here
17:42 rangi thanks
17:43 rangi bad timing with first week of school and all, but the kids are coping, its just their dad who needs more sleep :)
17:43 fredpierre My four-year old dug in his heels today and didn't want to go to pre-school. I'm glad my wife was there to help - I was only two minutes late.
17:43 wizzyrea my soon-to-be 4 year old did the same
17:43 wizzyrea must be the phase of the moon
17:43 fredpierre they say a twenty-four minute nap is recommended for a recharge...
17:44 wizzyrea or drink a cup of coffee, then take a nap
17:44 fredpierre ;)
17:44 rangi kahu wants to go to school, but only because he is wearing one of his rugby shirts and is gonna play rugby he says
17:44 rangi whatever works .. ill take it :)
17:44 wizzyrea I wish spud had a magic shirt
17:44 wizzyrea that made him want to go to school
17:45 rangi get him a rugby shirt :)
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17:45 * oleonard knocks furiously on wood considering his kids don't fight going to school
17:45 oleonard Now putting on their shoes, on the other hand...
17:46 rangi ahh, our cat helps with that
17:46 rangi she loves to pounce on nice pink toes
17:46 fredpierre good motivator
17:46 rangi so getting socks on is easy
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17:48 moodaepo fredpierre++
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17:53 rangi fredpierre++
17:53 rangi jcamins++
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17:54 jcamins rangi: what did I do?
17:54 * paul_p knocks on wood too...
17:54 paul_p and leave to go back home ;-)
17:54 paul_p bye & see you tomorrow !
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17:55 wizzyrea I would love to meet paul_p's kids someday - I bet they are charming.
17:55 rangi jcamins: encouraged fredpierre to put up a git repository
17:55 jcamins rangi: ah, yes.
17:55 jcamins Seemed like a good idea.
17:56 rangi :)
17:57 rangi @later tell paul_p you missed Jorgia Kelsey want me to send a patch?
17:57 huginn` rangi: The operation succeeded.
17:59 rangi hmm and Peter Lorimer is new too?
17:59 wizzyrea I thought he was in there.
18:00 rangi cant see him
18:00 wizzyrea hmmm
18:00 rangi[…]ef4dbe970ff92f544
18:00 rangi sanity check in case im blind
18:01 wizzyrea hm, no it's not there
18:01 rangi @later tell paul_p Peter Lorimer too (not a catalyst academy student :))
18:01 huginn` rangi: The operation succeeded.
18:02 rangi aleksa++
18:03 rangi[…]8a9046c151ed072a9  <-- pretty darn good for a high school student doing some work over the school holidays
18:03 rangi and you should see this
18:04 wizzyrea aleksa++
18:04 rangi[…]hment.cgi?id=7392
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18:07 jcamins Very cool.
18:07 jcamins cait will be happy.
18:12 cait_____ hm?
18:13 cait_____ what will i be happy about?
18:14 jcamins aleksa's patch for bug 7392.
18:14 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7392 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, katrin.fischer, Passed QA , Add system preference to configure export options for OPAC detail page
18:14 jcamins No, attachment 7392.
18:14 huginn` Attachment[…]=7392&action=edit patch, Translate scripts now handle javascript variables inside strings., 0001-Bug-7327-Translate-scripts-​now-handle-javascript-var.patch
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18:16 jcamins cait_____: Chester says hi.
18:16 jcamins Also, fwoomph! (that was the sound of him shedding)
18:17 * jcamins doesn't think this is what people mean when they say they are "wearing a hair shirt"
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18:18 cait hi #koha
18:19 rangi wb cait
18:19 wizzyrea hi cait :)
18:19 cait jcamins: yep it makes me happy - already started testing :)
18:19 cait and say hi back to chester and pat him from me
18:20 rangi aleksa asked yesterday if he could keep working on Koha when he finished his holiday job this week
18:20 jcamins aleksa++
18:20 rangi another one hooked :)
18:20 cait yaay!
18:20 wizzyrea :D
18:20 cait aleksa++
18:21 jcamins Hey... I bet he's always wanted to understand authorities. Just point him in the direction of bug 7284. ;)
18:21 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements
18:21 * jcamins looks around for more people to point it out to.
18:22 jcamins Ooh, I bet schuster wants to test it.
18:22 rangi hehe
18:22 jcamins I'll tell him next time I see him.
18:22 rangi chrisdothall is gonna test it today
18:22 rangi what i had him do
18:22 jcamins Woohoo!
18:22 rangi was use the old script
18:22 jcamins chrisdothall++
18:23 rangi now he is gonna try the fixed/new one
18:23 rangi and report the differences
18:23 rangi for a brand new batch of authorities
18:23 jcamins Sounds like a good idea.
18:23 wizzyrea jcamins - don't spose we could get a standardized test plan? (or did I miss it)
18:23 jcamins wizzyrea: you surely can. I will work on one.
18:24 jcamins I wasn't expecting the version of the patch that's attached to the bug to be the final one.
18:24 jcamins (so I was going to add a test plan with the final patch)
18:25 jcamins But it turns out that it handles everything we could think of to throw at it.
18:25 cait jcamins++ :)
18:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #607: STILL UNSTABLE in 54 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/607/
18:25 jenkins_koha * srdjan: bug_6488: Take in account opachiddenitems when searching in opac
18:25 jenkins_koha * srdjan: bug_6210: Select framework if merging two records with different frameworks
18:25 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 6210 - Follow up, Choose framework on merge
18:25 jenkins_koha * peter: Bug 6539 - When searching the catalogue, if I get no results then hit the Z39.50 search the title field in the pop up window is populated with what I searched for.
18:25 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 6539 follow-up, fixing wrong indentation
18:25 jenkins_koha * aleksa: Bug 6631: Anonymous users can create lists in OPAC
18:25 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6210 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Choose framework on Merge
18:25 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: bug 6631 follow-up adding author in contributors list
18:25 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5327: Shifting a db dependent test to the right place
18:25 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6539 minor, P3, ---, peter.lorimer, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 Search ISBN Field Populated with title
18:25 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 5327 - move another test around
18:25 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: adding 3 contributors from catalyst OpenSource academy
18:25 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6631 major, P5 - low, ---, aleksa, Pushed to Master , Unrestricted creation of lists by anonymous users
18:25 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, P3, ---, sam-sanders, Signed Off , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
18:25 wizzyrea yay for test plans
18:25 wizzyrea jcamins++
18:26 rangi hmm
18:26 jcamins I probably won't be able to attach it to the bug until tonight.
18:26 wizzyrea that's ok
18:27 rangi hmm lemme see if i can quickly fix those tests before taking the kids to school
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18:30 cait wizzyrea++
18:31 wizzyrea ?!
18:31 wizzyrea what?
18:32 rangi hmm or not,too tricky for this time of the morning, maybe later today
18:32 cait wizzyrea: configurable slips :)
18:33 wizzyrea ohhhhh
18:33 wizzyrea does anyone else have an opinion about how best to handle the CSS modificaiton piece?
18:33 wizzyrea I think it should probably be more like opacusercss
18:34 wizzyrea instead of in the file system
18:34 wizzyrea but - i'm willing to let it be refined -
18:34 rangi yeah, kaizen and all that
18:34 wizzyrea it works the way it's coded now :)
18:35 cait kaizen?
18:35 sekjal wizzyrea:  I'd like to see all the CSS accessible and editable in the staff client
18:35 wizzyrea yea, same here.
18:35 rangi cait: small continuous improvement
18:35 cait aah
18:35 cait thx :)
18:35 rangi vs huge never ever get finished cos its scope creeped to death monolithic pieces of work
18:35 slef not sure about that but I'm happy to see more CSS editable in wiki
18:35 cait wizzyrea: sign-off and file an enh bug?
18:36 wizzyrea yep, that's the plan
18:36 sekjal perhaps with a WYSIWYG editor on top, so folks can verify syntax
18:36 wizzyrea that would be cool :)
18:36 sekjal ooh, and SASS!
18:36 edveal-phone is now known as edveal
18:36 wizzyrea for this particular thing - the CSS is also still global
18:36 slef sekjal: trouble is that WYSIWYG editors are impossible. It's WYSIWYM not WYSIWYG.
18:36 slef
18:36 wizzyrea it should be per branch.
18:37 wizzyrea again, that can be refined.
18:37 wizzyrea my testers ( the other funders of the bug) agreed on that point too.
18:37 sekjal wizzyrea:  at least per branch; perhaps also per branch/patron category
18:37 slef wizzyrea: could it work with just a branch class on a high level (body?) that could then be selected by the CSS?
18:38 wizzyrea slef that is especially brilliant.
18:38 rangi bbiab
18:38 wizzyrea (really)
18:38 wizzyrea that's a great idea.
18:38 cait slef++
18:38 cait it really is
18:39 wizzyrea i can think of lots of applications for that approach, actually.
18:39 cait wizzyrea: doe s it use the intranetcss file?
18:39 cait or only it's own?
18:39 wizzyrea no, it doesn't
18:39 cait ah
18:39 cait because
18:39 slef wizzyrea: the idea of having CSS in the branch properties worries me but I can't put my finger on why.
18:39 cait then it would be really easy
18:40 wizzyrea well yea, but the rationale for not doing that
18:40 wizzyrea was that it wouldn't be fast enough
18:40 cait if the separate css was only an option
18:40 slef I mean a CSS editable.
18:40 wizzyrea if you had a lot of stuff in your intranetusercss
18:40 cait slef: we don't edit the files - it's in the database
18:40 wizzyrea but
18:40 wizzyrea I'm going to sign off on this the way it is
18:40 wizzyrea as it's functional.
18:43 cait mmh warm bread
18:44 wizzyrea noms
18:44 wizzyrea I'd like to stress that I believe this dev should be *refined* not changed now.
18:47 cait :)
18:47 cait oh question
18:47 cait do you have to change something? or will it provide some default templates similar to our current templates?
18:48 cait and did you test putting in some diacritics? :)
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18:49 wizzyrea cait, would you mind checking it for special characters/translation stuff?
18:49 wizzyrea I know you're terribly busy
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18:50 wizzyrea actually, I think I can cover special characters, but translation things...
18:50 wizzyrea less easy for me bc I don't know what I'm looking for :(
18:50 cait good thing to check is
18:50 cait if javascript alerts are wrapped in _()
18:50 wizzyrea k, no alerts in this that I'm aware of.
18:51 cait and if a book with diacritics in title shows up on the slips correctly perhaps
18:51 wizzyrea k I can check that quickly :)
18:53 wizzyrea pretty sure you can't get more special character than this:
18:54 jcamins wizzyrea: Hebrew/Arabic? I think that's still LtR.
18:54 wizzyrea hrm ok, again!
18:55 cait heh
18:55 jcamins wizzyrea: for copy and paste purposes:[…]blionumber=176805
18:55 cait but it looks nice :)
18:56 wizzyrea
18:58 jcamins Hm, that doesn't have the Arabic in the title I guess.
18:59 wizzyrea no, I don't think it does
18:59 * wizzyrea goes to look for something french :P
18:59 jcamins I'm sure French will work. The question is about actual Arabic characters.
19:00 jcamins Maybe just copy and paste the vernacular into 245?
19:00 jcamins If it's too much trouble, I'm not too bothered about this, just trying to help you be complete.
19:00 wizzyrea :)
19:01 wizzyrea deeerp I read the wrong thing
19:01 wizzyrea stupid left to right english eyes.
19:01 wizzyrea either way, it works :)
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19:02 wizzyrea
19:02 jcamins Beautiful!
19:02 wahanui Beautiful! is, like, that a "moving to jquery (ui)" thing
19:02 cait heh
19:02 cait yep
19:02 cait it is
19:02 cait beautiful
19:03 wizzyrea quick slip is ok too... checking notices
19:08 wizzyrea looks like they are golden
19:09 cait :)
19:10 cait do you see them in the notices tab on the account page too?
19:10 wizzyrea
19:11 cait so nice
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19:27 Space_Librarian morning #koha
19:28 Space_Librarian @wunder Wellington, NZ
19:28 huginn` Space_Librarian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (8:00 AM NZDT on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
19:28 cait morning Space_Librarian
19:28 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:29 Space_Librarian morning cait
19:29 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:29 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -5.3�C (8:24 PM CET on February 01, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020.5 hPa (Steady).
19:29 cait yeah
19:29 cait that feels like winter now
19:32 * rangi takes kids to school
19:32 rangi bbl
19:32 wizzyrea gl
19:33 Space_Librarian O.o
19:33 Space_Librarian Morning wizzyrea :)
19:33 wizzyrea mornin
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19:38 francharb hi
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19:40 cait hi francharb :)
19:41 fredpierre Hello from Ohio!
19:42 cait hi fredpierre :)
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19:42 fredpierre We had some puppet problems today, finally found bug 6374, solved my puppet "size" problem!
19:42 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6374 normal, P3, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , Use "size" as names/hash keys leads to an unexpected results when using Template::Toolkit (name of a virtual method there)
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19:45 cait hi aleksa
19:45 cait :)
19:45 aleksa hi cait
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19:47 jcamins Hm. No oleonard.
19:47 jcamins I was going to ask if he'd ever used XForms, and what he thought of it.
19:48 jcamins Has anyone here used XForms?
19:49 cait1 not even heard of it :(
19:49 * jcamins had heard of it vaguely, but doesn't really know anything about it.
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19:52 cait ok
19:52 cait going to put some more ram into this laptop... wish me luck :)
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19:52 magnuse good luck cait
19:53 cait1 thx :)
19:53 jcamins Good luck.
19:56 * rangi decides to try to work from home
19:56 jcamins rangi: why's that?
19:57 rangi cos i have a 3 year old here with me :)
19:57 * wizzyrea waves at ata
19:57 rangi the 5 year old is at school
19:57 * wizzyrea envisions lots of pocoyo in rangi's future
19:57 jcamins Ah.
19:57 * jcamins waves to Ata.
19:57 * magnuse waves to Ata
19:58 jcamins rangi: you should set him up hacking on Koha. :)
19:58 wizzyrea I tried that with spud once
19:58 wizzyrea he was super good at special characters.
19:58 rangi heh
19:59 magnuse ooh, that's handy when you're programming in perl... ;-)
19:59 * cait1 waves at Ata
20:00 jcamins magnuse: even more handy when you're programming in APL. ;)
20:00 * magnuse googles apl
20:00 * jcamins never really got into APL programming.
20:01 * jcamins has apparently dated the books he used to learn programming.
20:01 jcamins ;)
20:01 magnuse x[⍋x←6?40]
20:01 jcamins Also, the father of one of my friends growing up was one of the developers for APL2000.
20:02 magnuse that would take some getting used to...
20:02 magnuse ooh, cool!
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20:05 cait back :)
20:05 cait it didn't explode
20:05 cait I will take that as a good sign :)
20:05 jcamins RAM all installed?
20:05 cait yep
20:05 cait was easy :)
20:05 cait only the first time I used a screwdriver on my shiny new laptop
20:06 cait well... not really so shiny any more....
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20:39 jcamins magnuse: perhaps there should be a separate syspref for the item type image.
20:39 jcamins Would that make sense?
20:40 Space_Librarian it does from the cheap seats.
20:42 cait item type images where?
20:42 * magnuse just reported a bug for that too ;-)
20:42 * magnuse gotta run!
20:42 cait because I think we have 2 sysprefs,... one for the small images in records and one for the authorized values in general
20:43 magnuse is now known as magnus_afk
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20:43 jcamins Excellent.
20:43 jcamins cait: the item type images on the left in the search results.
20:43 jcamins Not the ones in XSLT.
20:43 cait on the left... hm.
20:43 cait on the left?
20:44 cait for biblio level itypes?
20:44 jcamins[…]
20:44 jcamins Right.
20:44 Space_Librarian jcamins: that looks good.
20:45 cait oh
20:45 cait analytics :)
20:45 cait jcamins: I think it shoudl be a syspref
20:46 cait will not work for libraries not using the bilbio level itypes
20:46 * libsysguy would like google analytics integration
20:46 libsysguy heard analtyics
20:46 libsysguy maybe a syspref for your google id
20:47 jcamins cait: right, I'm saying there should be a syspref other than item-level_Itypes
20:47 jcamins libsysguy: someone submitted a patch for that.
20:47 cait libsysguy: i would hate it
20:47 cait libsysguy: I have enough trouble with covers and other things - don't need google in there too :(
20:47 libsysguy really cait?
20:47 cait yep
20:47 wizzyrea no, if we do analytics integration we should do it with piwik :P
20:48 cait and oyu can already do it I think, putting the code in one of the sys prefs
20:48 sekjal libsysguy: I think you could just add the code to the opaccredits, right?
20:48 cait yep
20:48 wizzyrea plus, you can already do it using opacuserjs
20:48 cait or that
20:48 wizzyrea or any of the other user editable
20:48 libsysguy yeah thats how I do it now
20:48 * jcamins heads out.
20:48 wizzyrea bits and bobs.
20:48 jcamins is now known as jcamins_away
20:48 sekjal would be interesting to see OPAC usage patterns
20:48 wizzyrea it *is* interesting to see opac usage patterns
20:48 libsysguy i use it for search terms
20:49 rangi another 24 hours at least
20:49 * sekjal 's new OPAC is on a separate Google Analytics account from everything else, and the common discovery layer isn't analyzed at all
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20:50 wizzyrea what is another 24 hours?
20:50 * Space_Librarian looks interested
20:50 * wizzyrea whispers piwik.... piwik....
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20:51 * oleonard thinks wizzyrea is mimicking the sound of water drips in her dungeon cell
20:51 * Space_Librarian agrees with oleonard
20:51 wizzyrea I have a dungeon?
20:51 wizzyrea sweet!
20:52 Space_Librarian thought you'd like that
20:52 sekjal okay, I'm out for the day.  cheers, #koha
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20:54 cait magnus_afk: about bug 7490 - I think I did that - for MARC21
20:54 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7490 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Add IDs to results_summary'ies in staff XSLT detail view
20:55 magnus_afk cait: not that i can see?
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20:56 cait hm weird
20:56 cait let me find the bug
20:56 oleonard cait: Was it only in the OPAC?
20:57 cait bug 6901
20:57 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6901 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, katrin.fischer, RESOLVED FIXED, Add CSS classes/ids to OPAC and staff XSLT views
20:57 cait nope both
20:57 kyle joined #koha
20:57 * oleonard sees that you're right
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20:58 oleonard "<span class="results_summary series">"
20:58 cait was wondering if magnus looked at normarc
20:58 rangi
21:02 rangi i set that up, for koha libraries to use, if ppl want an account, let me know
21:02 rangi its only doing the main koha site and nekls at the moment
21:02 rangi consider this a soft launch :)
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21:03 cait :)
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21:04 francharb see ya
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21:06 Space_Librarian rangi: thanks fantastic!
21:09 Space_Librarian that's*
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21:10 rangi :)
21:10 wizzyrea I've been using it, i think it's fab.
21:18 oleonard Bye #koha
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21:36 magnus_afk rangi++
21:37 Space_Librarian rangi ++ I may talk to you about using it here...
21:38 cait rangi++
21:38 cait :)
21:38 eythian rangi: why is there beer on my desk, do you know?
21:38 * magnus_afk has piwik set up and will offer it to his customers soon
21:39 eythian not that it's a bad thing, I'm just curious.
21:40 cait lol
21:40 rangi hmm wasnt me
21:40 rangi what type of beer is it?
21:41 Space_Librarian eythian - we owe you beer here, so there may be more on it's way. When I've got the bottom on the mapping madness.
21:41 eythian rangi: 4 different craft stouts
21:41 eythian Space_Librarian: :D
21:41 rangi ohh, hmm no idea
21:42 eythian maybe it's compensation for 3 weeks in auckland
21:42 rangi could be
21:42 Space_Librarian eythian: NP - if it's been an interesting 24 hours for me, I can imagine what you've had to deal with.
21:42 eythian I guess you're getting in at the deep end :)
21:43 Space_Librarian somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic.
21:45 wizzyrea cait you still up ?
21:45 cait yeah
21:46 wizzyrea you like these better expanded?
21:46 wizzyrea[…]on/faq/searching/
21:46 cait trying to write something clever about 'datenträgeraustausch' for my distance study
21:46 cait hm
21:46 eythian date rage sounds like a bad thing.
21:46 cait I like the styling of the questions better
21:46 wizzyrea :)
21:46 cait but not sure about expanded or not
21:46 cait if we show them expaned... the big win of finding your question faster is gone
21:47 wizzyrea yea that's what I was thinking
21:47 wizzyrea so
21:47 wizzyrea I just wanted to hear someone else say what I was thinking >.>
21:47 wizzyrea if you refresh
21:47 wizzyrea they should be back to collapsed
21:48 cait hmmm
21:48 cait there is a searching
21:48 cait that shouldn't be there I think
21:48 cait but else... I like :)
21:49 magnus_afk welcome back eythian - i'll send you the summary of my experience rebasing the l10n work on 3.6..x one of these days :-)
21:49 melia is now known as melia_lunch
21:49 eythian magnus_afk: awesome :)
21:49 wizzyrea cait - which?
21:49 cait the small one above the list
21:49 wizzyrea oh. yea, I was just looking at that, it's part of the plugin.
21:50 cait oh
21:50 wizzyrea digging it out now
21:50 cait could we use it to have different sections?
21:50 eythian magnus_afk: I'd hoped to work on it when I was away, but work up there was pretty draining, so I didn't really have the energy.
21:50 cait perhaps should be a bit more prominent then
21:50 cait and not the same as the headline
21:50 wizzyrea technically we could have all of the faq's on one page
21:50 wizzyrea sec, demonstration.
21:51 magnus_afk eythian: no worries, i got it to work and there were only a couple of small "things"
21:51 cait small "things" looks suspicious
21:51 cait I would hide if I was eythian
21:52 cait germs*
21:52 cait germs?
21:52 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
21:52 eythian magnus_afk: cool
21:52 eythian cait: haha
21:52 cait wizzyrea: could we number them?
21:52 cait wizzyrea: so you could say, hey, check searching faq, numbe 123
21:54 wizzyrea ok sorry, refresh
21:54 wizzyrea that has sadly very little organization
21:54 wizzyrea but, is atomically searchable.
21:55 wizzyrea but, gimme just a min.
21:56 fredpierre I like those FAQs!
21:57 magnus_afk g'night #koha
21:57 magnus_afk is now known as magnus_away
21:57 eythian bye magnus_away
21:58 wizzyrea refresh again
21:58 fredpierre I'm going home, one more promo for our Koha mobile web, hosted at gitorious -
21:59 wizzyrea :D
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21:59 fredpierre I enjoyed my first day on the koha channel. Y'all rock! - Fred from Ohio
22:00 wizzyrea come back and play another day!
22:00 fredpierre will do!
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22:00 wizzyrea cait - I suppose I could number them, or more likely make the plugin number them for me (because I'm terribly lazy)
22:02 wizzyrea warning I'm about to break te faq :P
22:04 wizzyrea ...oh, never mind. I like it when an idea works about right the first time. Heh.
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22:06 Space_Librarian wizzyrea - awesome! :)
22:07 wizzyrea I have yet things to break!
22:07 * wizzyrea laughs evilly
22:07 cait wizzyrea: now we have 2 searching
22:07 cait hm 3
22:07 wizzyrea cait: probably not the time to be looking carefully at it
22:08 wizzyrea as i'm muckin aobut with it
22:08 cait ah ok
22:08 * cait looks away
22:08 wizzyrea :)
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22:29 cait @wunder Konstanz
22:29 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -5.8�C (11:24 PM CET on February 01, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: -10.0�C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020.2 hPa (Steady).
22:30 Judit joined #koha
22:30 Judit hi
22:30 eythian hi Judit
22:30 cait hi Judit
22:30 cait and good night #koha :)
22:32 eythian bye cait
22:33 cait left #koha
22:34 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence ks
22:34 huginn` wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 16.8�C (4:32 PM CST on February 01, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Steady).
22:34 wizzyrea in january, that's crazy talk.
22:34 Judit it is 20here
22:34 wizzyrea normal for you though, right?
22:34 collum Yep. My grass is growing
22:34 Judit in febr???
22:34 Space_Librarian cold for sydney, wizzyrea
22:35 Space_Librarian hey Judit! :)
22:35 Judit hi
22:35 collum @wunder 41017
22:35 wizzyrea what's the normal temp for sydney?
22:35 huginn` collum: The current temperature in Van Aachen, Erlanger, Kentucky is 15.1�C (5:34 PM EST on February 01, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Steady).
22:35 wizzyrea for feb 1
22:35 wizzyrea last year it was snowing gobs and gobs.
22:35 Judit 40
22:35 wizzyrea golly
22:36 wizzyrea 40 is about the same as summer here
22:37 wizzyrea a hottish day in summer
22:37 bag @wunder 93109
22:37 huginn` bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 17.2�C (2:36 PM PST on February 01, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Steady).
22:37 wizzyrea so yea, you're too cold and we're too hot
22:37 wizzyrea :)
22:37 wizzyrea and bag is in a microcosm of perfect.
22:38 wizzyrea uh, thunderstorms here, on friday?! that seems ... weird.
22:38 drojf @wunder berlin
22:38 huginn` drojf: Error: No such location could be found.
22:38 drojf pff
22:38 drojf berlin is too small :)
22:38 maximep @wunder cyqb
22:38 huginn` maximep: The current temperature in Quebec, Quebec is -7.0�C (5:00 PM EST on February 01, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -16.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1011 hPa (Rising).
22:38 wizzyrea @wunder berlin, germany
22:38 huginn` wizzyrea: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -9.0�C (11:13 PM CET on February 01, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -17.0�C. Windchill: -16.0�C. Pressure: 30.69 in 1039.2 hPa (Steady).
22:38 drojf thanks wizzyrea
22:39 drojf i win
22:39 * wizzyrea assumed germany
22:39 drojf i win santa clause. or something :(
22:39 maximep oooooh somewhere colder than here
22:39 wizzyrea ok so rain for 2 days and then ... snow
22:39 wizzyrea and then back up into the teens? wtf is wrong with our weather.
22:40 Space_Librarian wunder @wellington, new zealand
22:40 wizzyrea @wunder wellington, nz
22:40 Space_Librarian meh rusty brain lol
22:40 huginn` wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (11:00 AM NZDT on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
22:40 wizzyrea colder there than here!
22:40 Space_Librarian thank wizzyrea
22:40 Space_Librarian it is. Pretty chilly to work this morning.
22:41 wizzyrea[…].php?element=MaxT
22:41 * jcamins_away peers in.
22:46 * drojf wonders if the import script will ever work
22:46 wizzyrea ?
22:47 drojf my script to convert our data from an evil filemaker database to marc21
22:47 wizzyrea oh :)
22:47 * jcamins_away hides.
22:48 jcamins_away is now known as jcamins
22:49 wizzyrea actually, I ditched the idea of separate pages for each category of the faq - not enough to necessitate that
22:49 wizzyrea they're all on one page now
22:51 jcamins Makes sense to me.
22:51 wizzyrea if you come up with anymore, let me know
22:51 * jcamins will be sure to do so.
22:51 wizzyrea eythian - a thought - wahanui keeps lots of faq's
22:52 wizzyrea a way to get a dump of his memory so I can poke through it for faqs?
22:52 jcamins wahanui: help?
22:52 wizzyrea graphicsmagick?
22:52 wahanui rumour has it graphicsmagick is avaliable in package form for the following Operating Systems: Version 1.1.11 in Lenny, 1.3.12 in Squeeze, 1.3.5 in Sid and Ubuntu Lucid. Regarding the update message, all Koha functions still work even if you only have Version 1.1.11
22:52 wizzyrea like that one
22:54 * jcamins pokes vigorously at CollectiveAccess.
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22:54 eythian wizzyrea: I don't know. I'm sure it's possible somehow.
22:55 wizzyrea well no particular hurry.
22:55 * eythian has a quick look
22:55 wizzyrea poke at it if you get a wild hair or need a fluffy project to rest your mind on.
22:57 jcamins "A system for cataloguing fossil egg shells."
22:57 eythian I'm going to take wahanui offline temporarily to try something
22:57 eythian bye wahanui
22:57 wahanui left #koha
22:57 jcamins I would not have thought that would be needed very often.
22:58 Space_Librarian I'm always concerned when eythian starts playing with the bots...
22:58 eythian hello wahanui
22:58 wahanui joined #koha
23:00 eythian wizzyrea: check your email for some bedtime reading
23:01 eythian i assume title?
23:01 eythian wahanui: i assume title
23:01 wahanui eythian: what?
23:01 eythian hmm odd
23:01 eythian I think there's stuff in there that isn't readily accessible
23:01 eythian wahanui: perlvar
23:01 wahanui i guess perlvar is very interesting
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23:02 eythian wahanui: wizzyrea the maser of all that
23:02 wahanui i guess wizzyrea the maser of all that is wiki
23:02 eythian hehe
23:02 eythian you're a maser
23:02 Space_Librarian nice one.
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23:04 eythian 867-5309
23:04 wahanui 867-5309 is the loneliest number.
23:04 eythian tall paul
23:04 wahanui tall paul is tall
23:04 * jcamins catalogs his cat.
23:06 Judit :)
23:06 Judit you stick a barcode on her?
23:06 eythian wahanui: wahanui
23:06 wahanui i am probably a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow.
23:06 melia_lunch is now known as melia
23:06 eythian wahanui: melia
23:07 jcamins Judit: right now I'm trying to figure out how to add a picture.
23:07 melia heh
23:07 eythian wahanui: what is the saddest thing
23:07 wahanui eythian: i haven't a clue
23:07 eythian wahanui: what \is the saddest thing
23:07 wahanui eythian: i haven't a clue
23:08 eythian wahanui: the saddest thing
23:08 wahanui eythian: huh?
23:08 eythian hmm
23:08 Judit jcamins: try googlejackets with the isbn:)
23:09 jcamins Judit: heh. I'm using CollectiveAccess.
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23:11 eythian wahanui: the saddest thing is <reply>⛄ U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW
23:11 wahanui OK, eythian.
23:11 eythian wahanui: the saddest thing
23:11 wahanui ⛄ U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW
23:21 jcamins Yay!
23:21 jcamins I managed to upload an image!
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23:44 jcamins Woohoo! I managed to get the public interface working, too!
23:45 Judit the cats public interface???
23:45 jcamins The public interface for the catalog of cats.
23:46 jcamins Actually...
23:46 jcamins That's a great idea.
23:46 jcamins I will catalog dozens of cats in Refbase, Koha, CollectiveAccess, and possibly Omeka.
23:47 jcamins That will demonstrate the differences.
23:49 Judit poor cats:/ what shelving location?
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23:49 jcamins Judit:
23:50 jcamins The shelving location is "French dictionary."
23:50 jcamins ;)
23:50 Judit :D
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