IRC log for #koha, 2011-12-30

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03:28 AmitG heya chris, bag
03:31 bag hey AmitG
03:39 mtj peeps, any idea what the url to Koha's perlcritic page is?
03:41 mtj rangi showed me a nice html table for each Koha *.pm module somewhere online
03:57 AmitG heya mtj
03:58 bag mtj if you find it again - please show me I'd love to see that
04:06 mtj heya AmitG bag
04:07 mtj yeah, its prolly on the wiki somewhere, but not the main wp site
04:09 mtj hmm, not on the wiki either (via a search)
04:11 mtj ahhhh, the perlcritic stuff is a jenkins plugin
04:11 mtj http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]6.x/HTML_Report/?
04:12 mtj http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ter/HTML_Report/?
04:13 mtj thats what im lookin' for :)
04:13 bag ah cool thanks mtj
04:13 bag mtj++ and rangi++ for that matter
04:16 mtj ooh, Devel::CoverReport looks to do the magic there
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04:21 Oak kia ora #koha
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06:03 wizzyrea hi?
06:03 * wahanui waves
06:03 wizzyrea oic.
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06:07 Oak hello wizzyrea :o)
06:07 wizzyrea whaddup :)
06:09 Oak not much :)
06:09 Oak what about yourself?
06:10 wizzyrea well I just got a new laptop, getting everything set up all comfy like in ubuntu
06:10 wizzyrea but I may change it tomorrow, we'll see ;)
06:10 Oak cool cool.
06:10 Oak liking the new ubuntu desktop "improvements"?
06:10 wizzyrea well
06:10 wizzyrea some things I like
06:10 wizzyrea others make me want to gouge out my eyes
06:10 Oak exactly
06:11 * Oak uses XFCE
06:11 wizzyrea but, this lappy works better than any other laptop I've had with linux
06:11 Oak hm, that's good. which one is it?
06:11 wizzyrea admittedly the other laptops I've had were from that fruit named place in cupertino.
06:12 wizzyrea Asus u36jc-b1
06:12 wizzyrea totally great name, really sticks in the mind.
06:13 Oak :) yep
06:13 wizzyrea i have an asus transformer too - great piece of gear.
06:14 Oak hmm. looks nice.
06:14 wizzyrea it *is* very nice.
06:15 wizzyrea it runs that other proprietary OS pretty well too (I keep it around for games)
06:15 Oak very good looking keypad... like comfortable
06:16 wizzyrea I like it - it has a nice subtle clicky sound
06:16 wizzyrea but not too much
06:16 Oak well, good. :-)
06:16 wizzyrea anyway, that's what's up with me :P
06:16 wizzyrea what are you up to?
06:17 Oak working on a website. it was made in Joomla 1.5. now I have to re-make it in Joomla 1.7
06:17 wizzyrea oh and ew.
06:18 Oak yep :)
06:18 wizzyrea remaking_things_due_to_software_updates--
06:18 Oak i hate it
06:18 wizzyrea ^^ makes me not want to use said software.
06:19 wizzyrea i hope there's a very compelling reason to make the upgrade
06:19 Oak client likes the sound of "latest" and also 1.7 > 1.5, so.
06:20 Oak :) well hopefully once my MLIS is done (last semester), and I get a job in library, I will have the choice of doing what I like to do... and keep doing this as part time. hm.
06:21 Oak okay that's what's up with me :)
06:21 wizzyrea hm. that is not a compelling reason to me. But the customer is always right I guess.
06:21 wizzyrea :)
06:21 Oak yep. and we do what we are told.
06:22 Oak wait, there is one more reason, let me find the link.
06:28 Oak support for 1.5 will end in April 2012... there will be no more security patches.[…]pment-status.html
06:28 Oak but as you will notice, 1.8 will come soon also, and then will have to re-make same things again. most probably.
06:29 Oak sorry, not 1.8, rather 2.5
06:33 Oak or may be not. there were major changes in the framework when update from 1.5 to 1.6 came. So we had to re-make things in 1.6. Hopefully, upgrades from 1.7 to 2.5 will be some kind of automatic process? like click and upgrade thing. I hope so.
06:34 Oak okay me quiet now.
06:34 wizzyrea yes, wow
06:34 wizzyrea that is so much work.
06:34 Oak yep
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06:41 trea oops
06:41 trea but yea, trac
06:47 * wizzyrea giggles
06:49 rangi ohhh 1998 called it wants its github back
06:57 wizzyrea hehe
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07:07 cait hi #koha
07:07 rangi hi cait
07:07 cait hi rangi
07:10 wizzyrea hi cait
07:10 cait hi wizzyrea :)
07:12 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7388] rounded corners for side menus in staff client <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7388>
07:13 Oak hello miss cait
07:13 cait hi mr Oak :)
07:14 cait thx for the link :)
07:14 Oak :)
07:14 Oak ah
07:14 Oak no problem :-)
07:22 cait @wunder Reutlingen
07:22 huginn cait: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is 1.7�C (8:21 AM CET on December 30, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 28.58 in 967.7 hPa (Steady).
07:22 rangi @wunder nzwn
07:22 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0�C (8:00 PM NZDT on December 30, 2011). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
07:35 wizzyrea chillyish
07:36 rangi yeah, cold front sitting over the whole of the country
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07:56 jai hello
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07:56 jai i am from keraal
07:57 jai hi
07:57 jai ru ther
07:58 cait hi jai
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08:00 cait do you have a question?
08:00 cait and morning julian_m
08:00 julian_m hi cait
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08:11 gaetan_B hello
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08:12 cait hi gaetan_B and francharb
08:12 francharb hi cait
08:13 lducos hello koha
08:13 cait hi lducos
08:17 greenmang0 friends, i just installed latest koha ,,, with all default data in db , then started zebrasrv ... but  when i run / -b -a -v ... it shows 0 records
08:17 greenmang0 what can be the reason?
08:18 cait have you imported records?
08:18 cait the default records don't include that
08:18 cait I mean the default data
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08:31 greenmang0 cait, i just followed web installer ... and checked all the boxes
08:32 cait yes
08:32 cait but it does not install bilbiographic data
08:32 cait you have to catalog some books yourself :)
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09:16 paul_p hello everybody
09:17 magnus_away is now known as magnuse
09:17 * paul_p suspect there wont be a lot of ppl today ;-)
09:17 magnuse hiya paul_p and everyone else!
09:17 paul_p hey, at least magnuse is here !!!
09:17 paul_p good morning my friend !
09:17 * magnuse suspects paul_p is right ;-)
09:17 paul_p and "bon bout d'an" as we say in Marseille this week
09:17 magnuse and cait, surely?
09:17 magnuse bon bout d'an to you , then!
09:18 paul_p bon=good, bout=part (usually small) d'an=of year
09:18 cait yep here
09:18 wahanui rumour has it yep here is a good resource, if you have read the manual then probably the next place to look is the wiki
09:18 * magnuse looks quizzically at wahanui
09:19 paul_p to celebrate this end of year, ive clean my desktop (the physical one), and reorganised my surroundings ! will start the new year with a new office ;-)
09:19 magnuse and hiya cait
09:19 paul_p hello cait
09:20 magnuse yay for new beginnings!
09:21 cait new_beginnings++
09:21 cait and bon bout d'an to you paul_p and magnuse
09:21 Oak magnuse
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09:22 magnuse Oak
09:22 Oak new_beginnings++
09:23 * magnuse is gonna take a crack at signing off all of bug 1633
09:23 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1633 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Add ability to take book cover images from local img db
09:24 cait magnuse++
09:24 magnuse can't wait for that to make it in!
09:25 Oak :)
09:25 Oak magnuse++
09:25 paul_p cait ? could you take a few minuts to explain me bug 7345? I can't figure what this patch will add into Koha. I just see it as an undocumented feature.
09:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7345 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Should be possible to export MARC records without private fields
09:26 cait I think it can be a first part and we can add to the gui later
09:26 cait and it's documented on the bug :)
09:26 cait perhaps I can write a follow up adding the option to the gui
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09:39 greenmang0 cait, ok, i added some records now ...
09:40 paul_p cait, OK, it means I haven't missed anything. I think this patch should be "failed QA" without the effective option for the GUI.
09:40 greenmang0 cait, in admin interface i am able to search them ... but not in OPAC
09:40 cait paul_p: I will try to work on a follow up
09:40 paul_p cait++
09:40 cait greenmang0: not sure, try the search faq?
09:40 cait search faq?
09:40 wahanui search faq is at[…]on/faq/searching/
09:40 cait afk for a bit
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09:48 greenmang0 cait_afk, tried that, didn't help
09:49 greenmang0 biblio error 114
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09:54 dil Can any one help me with the koha famework creation
09:55 dil When I start to create a framework it is taking up all the values around 900.. I need only 15 of them .. so does it mean that I have to delete the rest of the MARC record or is there any other way to do this
09:55 dil When I start to create a framework it is taking up all the values around 900.. I need only 15 of them .. so does it mean that I have to delete the rest of the MARC record or is there any other way to do this
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09:56 paul_p hello dil. Do you know how to do some SQL ?
09:56 dil Not a techii
09:56 dil but yes
09:57 dil I can
09:57 dil Can you provide me with some link
09:57 dil or document
09:58 paul_p if yes, you can unactivate what you want with : UPDATE marc_subfield_structure SET tab=-1 WHERE tagfield='XXX' (XXX= the tag you want to hide)
09:58 paul_p UPDATE marc_subfield_structure SET tab=-1 WHERE tagfield LIKE '9%' will hide all 9XX fields & subfields, and you can reintroduce the one you want manually after that
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12:05 AmitG Happy New To All :D
12:05 AmitG Happy New Year To All :D
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13:05 oleonard Hi #koha
13:07 jcamins_away magnus_afk: when you are back at the keyboard, how did you manage to upload multiple images to a single record?
13:07 jcamins_away (when testing bug 1633)
13:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1633 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Add ability to take book cover images from local img db
13:07 jcamins_away I can't do it!
13:16 jcamins_away magnus_afk: never mind, after a bit of fiddling I figured it out.
13:17 jcamins_away magnus_afk: well, a lot of fiddling, but it's figured out.
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13:31 magnuse jcamins_away: it came quite natural to me... ;-)
13:32 jcamins_away magnuse: yeah, my difficulties were user error.
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13:33 magnuse jcamins_away: yay :-)
13:35 jcamins_away magnuse: now that I see what the problem is, I just have to fix it.
13:35 magnuse not too hard, i hope
13:36 jcamins_away I hope so too!
13:36 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7201] Hold to pull report needs extra fields <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7201>
13:37 jcamins_away I'm doing a bunch of the enhancements while I'm at it.
13:37 magnuse very cool!
13:37 jcamins_away Might as well, since I have the rebase -i going.
13:39 tcohen hi #koha
13:43 magnuse hiya tcohen
13:43 tcohen hi magnuse
13:51 tcohen paul_p++ for the monthly rm newsletter
13:51 paul_p thanks tcohen
13:52 paul_p (still here for one hour, then... see you next year !)
13:52 paul_p (and in a few weeks, i'll celebrate the 10 anniversary of my 1st patch on Koha !!!)
13:54 magnuse paul_p++
13:54 magnuse something to celebrate indeed!
13:55 magnuse 7th committer, eh?
13:56 paul_p magnuse, 7th or 6th, I don't remember
13:56 magnuse 7th according to the excellent timeline now included in the intranet ;-)
13:58 tcohen paul_p: show I mark bug 6193 as need_signoff?
13:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6193 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Use memcached cache koha-conf.xml configuration variables
13:58 paul_p tcohen, yes. Did I forget to do it ? sorry
13:59 jcamins_away magnuse: revised patches posted.
13:59 jcamins_away Please test, sign off, and so forth. :)
14:00 magnuse jcamins_away: excellent! i think i will have time for it today
14:00 jcamins_away Woohoo!
14:00 magnuse jcamins++
14:00 jcamins_away magnuse++
14:00 magnuse well, let's see if i actually make it before celebrating too much, eh? ;-)
14:00 jcamins_away magnuse: if I give you karma for it, you'll feel too guilty to not do it. ;)
14:01 magnuse good plan! ;-)
14:01 jcamins_away paul_p: so you know, I'm not terribly attached to bug 7345. If you want to mark it invalid, I am completely comfortable with that.
14:01 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7345 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Should be possible to export MARC records without private fields
14:02 paul_p jcamins_away, I think it's a good improvement. And a follow-up will please me a lot. So I think it should not be abandonned
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14:04 jcamins_away paul_p: okay. Just wanted to let you know that you didn't have to find a way to reconcile the patch with your vision, if you disagreed with it. ;)
14:05 oleonard magnuse: Why do you suggest that the thumbnails in jcamins_away's cover image viewer have alt="thumbnail" ?
14:06 jcamins_away oleonard: that's one of the changes I made.
14:06 magnuse oleonard: it seemed better than having alt=""?
14:06 oleonard I think that if someone is viewing the page without images, "thumbnail" isn't useful information.
14:07 * jcamins_away has no opinion.
14:07 * magnuse neither, really - it was just a gut reaction to an empty attribute
14:08 oleonard (In fact jcamins_away probably had the alt that way originally and I took it out)
14:08 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6193] Use memcached cache koha-conf.xml configuration variables <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6193>
14:09 oleonard My rule of thumb is that if the image doesn't convey important information the alt can be blank. This is a tricky situation since the purpose of the interface is image viewing
14:09 magnuse yup :-)
14:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #580 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:14 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7328 Expanded options in advanced search <[…]b54cec7291d12f430>
14:15 magnuse you what? suddenly i can't see any content on the Home � Circulation � Checkouts pages in any of the installations i have checked... anyone else seeing that?
14:16 ebegin Hello all !
14:16 magnuse or anyone who can take the time to log in as demo/demo here:[…]rc/ and tell me what they see?
14:16 magnuse hiya ebegin
14:16 ebegin magnuse, I can do that. hold on
14:16 magnuse yay
14:17 ebegin I get in the checkout page
14:17 ebegin[…]rc/
14:17 magnuse and it looks ok?
14:17 ebegin And don't see anything
14:17 magnuse empty page below the breadcrumbs?
14:17 ebegin i meant anything special
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14:18 ebegin that is correct
14:18 magnuse ah, so you see the box for the barcode and everything?
14:19 ebegin yes
14:19 magnuse weird
14:20 ebegin oh, sorry, no... I mistake it with the top banner when we enter patron number
14:20 oleonard What did you expect magnuse ?
14:21 magnuse oh my
14:21 ebegin thank you, oleonard. I was looking for such a server (screencast)
14:21 magnuse i was expecting to see what i see after i have searched for the patron in the top box
14:22 magnuse wow, i need a holiday!
14:22 magnuse sorry for messing with your heads, folks!
14:23 ebegin magnuse, don't worry, the year is almost over ;)
14:23 magnuse :-)
14:23 oleonard ebegin: I think it was nengard who introduced me to and the associated software. Very useful.
14:24 nengard[…]ticket-reporting/
14:24 nengard :)
14:24 ebegin A quick question. How independant are library when independant branches is turned on ?
14:24 magnuse nengard++
14:24 ebegin ha nengard, she is never far
14:24 nengard :)
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14:26 tcohen paul_p, as of that koha-conf.xml thing... do u think its ok the way I did or I should better just use setenv everywhere and leave the code alone?
14:26 magnuse ebegin: there are some hints in the description of the syspref here: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]dependantBranches
14:27 tcohen (besides it can be checked to actually work)
14:28 paul_p tcohen, the best thing would be a complete rewrite of the memcache layer, to have a unique and standard management of it (and something that can evolve easily). atm, we have various ways to do it, including momoize or no,...
14:28 ebegin nengard, are you using jing to record you tutorials ?
14:28 paul_p so I would say= do it the simplest way, we will have to fix it anyway
14:28 ebegin magnuse, thanks for the link
14:28 paul_p (unless you want to rewrite everything, which I would applaude ;-) )
14:29 ebegin s/you tutorials/your tutorials/
14:29 nengard ebegin, no i use screenflow on mac for the tutorial videos - i use jing for short videos for tickets
14:29 tcohen[…]hment.cgi?id=6971
14:29 tcohen i removed code handling the memcached stuff from libraries
14:30 tcohen and instead reuse the memcached object i added to C4::Context
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14:32 magnuse o/
14:32 paul_p tcohen, I like it that way
14:33 tcohen thanks, if there's any problem/bug with the code just let me know
14:33 tcohen i'll be at work 5 more hours
14:33 paul_p tcohen, I'll be here just 20mn, i think it will be for next year ;-)
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14:34 tcohen 2012 will be great year for all you koha folks
14:35 magnuse yeah!
14:35 tcohen my best wishes for u all
14:35 tcohen !
14:38 tcohen magnuse, the submit button appears in the wrong place
14:38 magnuse tcohen: huh, where?
14:38 tcohen[…]rc/
14:38 tcohen ?
14:39 tcohen (it was you who asked?)
14:39 magnuse yeah, sometimes it wraps around and is displayed below the search box
14:40 magnuse yep, it was me - the problem was that i was expecting to see lots of stuff below the breadcrumbs...
14:40 magnuse so the problem was between the chair and the keyboard...
14:41 ebegin That what I use to call a Code 13. The problem is 13 inches in front of the screen
14:43 magnuse hehe
14:45 ebegin A while ago, some support teams where also asking user to put " ID 10 T" in a .ini file.  ID10T (Idiot)
14:48 tcohen jejeje
14:48 magnuse heh
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15:04 magnuse o/
15:04 oleonard Hi wizzyrea
15:04 wizzyrea heya
15:04 trea o/
15:04 wizzyrea how is everyone today
15:05 ebegin @wunder montreal canada
15:05 huginn ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -15.0�C (9:00 AM EST on December 30, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -21.0�C. Windchill: -25.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
15:05 paul_p hi wizzyrea
15:05 ebegin cold... :)
15:05 paul_p I don't know for "everyone", but for me, 2 things :
15:05 wizzyrea oh my, no kidding it *is* cold
15:05 magnuse @wunder boo
15:05 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -2.0�C (3:50 PM CET on December 30, 2011). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Rising).
15:05 paul_p * I leave in a few minuts
15:05 paul_p * I have the foundations of my sandboxes written, i'm happy
15:05 paul_p @wunder marseille
15:05 huginn paul_p: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 12.0�C (3:30 PM CET on December 30, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
15:05 wizzyrea ^.^ woohoo!
15:06 wizzyrea and good weather to boot :)
15:06 paul_p OK, in fact, I missed it was already 4PM. So I leave now !
15:06 ebegin wizzyrea, february reaches -30
15:06 wizzyrea brr
15:06 wizzyrea @wunder 66049
15:06 paul_p have a good new year week-end everybody!
15:06 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 8.7�C (9:06 AM CST on December 30, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Rising).
15:06 magnuse have fun paul_p!
15:06 paul_p and see you next year!
15:06 wizzyrea :D
15:06 magnuse yay
15:06 oleonard @wunder 61341
15:06 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Ottawa Township High School, Ottawa, Illinois is 6.6�C (9:06 AM CST on December 30, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.46 in 997.5 hPa (Steady).
15:06 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #580: SUCCESS in 53 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/580/
15:06 jenkins_koha f.demians: Bug 7328 Expanded options in advanced search
15:06 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7328 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , Expanded options in advanced search
15:06 * ebegin moves to Marseille
15:06 magnuse \o/
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15:07 nengard @wunder 19030
15:07 huginn nengard: The current temperature in Highland Park, Levittown, Pennsylvania is 3.5�C (10:04 AM EST on December 30, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Steady).
15:07 ebegin Even if I add montreal temperature to paul_p one, it still under 0...
15:08 nengard BRRRRR
15:16 trea okay question - checked out items dont' count the day they were checked out as one of their days, do they? Let's say an item was checked out 12/27, and due in 5 days. Would that make it due on 12/31, or 1/1 ?
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15:21 cait hi #koha
15:21 magnuse wb cait
15:21 trea hi cait
15:21 cait hi magnuse and trea :)
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15:21 cait oh
15:24 cait magnuse++
15:24 magnuse final test for 1633: several images in a zip file...
15:28 * cait crosses fingers
15:33 magnuse hm, koha says "Failed to unzip archive. Please ensure you are uploading a valid zip file and try again."
15:33 magnuse it unpacks fine on my machine
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15:38 magnuse ah, it worked after i installed unzip on the vm - guess that's a dependency then...
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15:43 * magnuse can't think of any more edge cases to throw at bug 1633 and proceeds to signing off
15:43 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1633 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Add ability to take book cover images from local img db
15:46 cait cool
15:46 cait woohoo :)
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16:02 cait jcamins_away: around?
16:03 jcamins_away is now known as jcamins
16:03 jcamins cait: just got back.
16:03 jcamins Woohoo!
16:03 jcamins magnuse++
16:03 cait magnuse++ :)
16:05 jcamins magnuse: hm, perhaps there should be a follow-up patch that adds unzip as a dependency. That's actually been a dependency all along, it just hasn't been listed as such.
16:06 jcamins cait: did you have a question?
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16:06 cait oh yes
16:06 cait seems I volunteered
16:06 cait to look at a gui thing for the 9xx
16:07 jcamins cait: yeah, I saw that. Thanks!
16:07 jcamins cait++
16:07 cait give me karma once I have done it :)
16:08 * jcamins is using the same strategy he used with magnuse: guilting you into doing the work.
16:08 jcamins ;)
16:08 cait ah
16:08 cait evil jcamins
16:08 magnuse jcamins: adding unzip as a dep could be a separate bug i think, since the patron image code also relies on it
16:08 jcamins Bwahaha haha hahahaha!
16:08 jcamins magnuse: yeah, that was my thought.
16:09 magnuse cool
16:09 cait ok
16:09 cait made a branch
16:09 cait added your patch
16:09 cait guilting works
16:09 cait but I am also in a very good mood today :)
16:09 wahanui okay, cait.
16:10 jcamins magnuse: any chance you could file a bug for that? I never remember my login, and I'm not on my computer.
16:10 jcamins cait?
16:10 wahanui That's Ms. Cait to you! or in a very good mood today :)
16:10 jcamins Heh.
16:10 magnuse jcamins: will do
16:10 jcamins magnuse: thanks.
16:10 cait ok
16:10 cait so
16:10 cait for the gui thing
16:10 cait what do you prefer?
16:11 jcamins cait: the reason I didn't do anything with the GUI is that I figure no matter what choice we make, someone will object.
16:11 cait well
16:11 cait we can try :)
16:14 jcamins cait: true.
16:14 jcamins cait: I think paul_p wanted a syspref that chose between including private fields or not including private fields?
16:14 cait yeah
16:14 cait sounds like a good way to start
16:14 cait could you help me with the wording?
16:15 jcamins Include/Don't include private fields and subfields in MARC exports?
16:15 magnuse jcamins: bug 7389
16:15 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7389 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , List unzip as a dependency
16:15 jcamins magnuse: thanks.
16:16 cait what about the items?
16:16 cait I don't see why those are useful on export
16:16 jcamins cait: I don't think adding an additional option is necessary at this point.
16:16 cait the fields are koha specific
16:16 jcamins Right.
16:17 jcamins Actually, replace "private" with "non-standard" in the syspref.
16:17 cait ok
16:17 cait should we mention 9xx somewhere?
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16:17 cait as explanation? like you do on the bug?
16:18 jcamins Yeah, that would probably be a good idea: "Include/Don't include non-standard (9xx, x9x, and xx9) fields and subfields in exports."?
16:18 cait except 490 heh
16:18 jcamins Right.
16:19 magnuse #marcmustdie
16:19 cait true
16:20 cait are you both going to be here in 10 mins still?
16:20 * jcamins will be.
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16:25 * magnuse will be eternally greatful to whoever can fix that timeout in git bz attach
16:26 magnuse hm, guess i don't get the nast error i used to get now, but lots of HTML instead...
16:29 cait magnuse: it's annoying for long commit messages, eh? :)
16:30 cait you can do git bz edit bugnumber first and obsolete, and attach later without -e
16:30 magnuse ah, cool
16:31 oleonard Here's what I'm tinkering with today:
16:31 jcamins Ooh, I didn't know that. Nifty!
16:31 magnuse git bz edit 1633? that gives me an error right off the bat...
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16:33 magnuse oleonard++
16:33 jcamins oleonard: very cool.
16:33 oleonard I need to figure out a way to make the links look/act disabled when nothing is checked
16:33 jcamins oleonard: you know what else would be cool? If you could alert the user that their cart was full.
16:34 oleonard Yeah, I've worked some on Bug 7011, but got stuck
16:34 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7011 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Warn the user that they have reached the limit of how many items they can have in their cart
16:34 jcamins That makes two of us.
16:34 cait
16:36 * jcamins has also been thinking about the "select all results" issue.
16:36 jcamins It's tricky.
16:37 jcamins I'm thinking we need a data structure to describe an arbitrary list of records.
16:39 jcamins I'm also thinking that getting developers to agree to an implementation is going to be like herding lolcats. ;)
16:39 jcamins magnuse: you're making it really hard to stay at Inbox Zero. ;)
16:40 magnuse yeah, sorry about that jcamins ;-)
16:40 jcamins I forgive you.
16:40 magnuse yay!
16:41 cait hehe
16:41 * cait hands out more cookies
16:41 jcamins Mmm.
16:42 jcamins Delicious cookies!
16:42 cait heh
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16:46 magnuse there, 1633 is done!
16:47 cait woot
16:47 cait awesome
16:47 jcamins Woohoo!
16:47 jcamins magnuse++
16:47 magnuse time to wander off, might bbl, if not i look forward to seeing and collaborating with y'all in 2012!
16:47 oleonard jcamins++
16:47 magnuse yeah jcamins++!
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16:51 cait jcamins++ of course!
16:51 jcamins Wow. Lots of karma.
16:51 jcamins @karma jcamins
16:51 huginn jcamins: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 133 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 132.
16:51 cait yep
16:51 cait you deserve it :)
16:51 jcamins @karma
16:51 huginn jcamins: Highest karma: "rangi" (490), "oleonard" (412), and "wizzyrea" (273).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-108), "failed" (-70), and "-" (-38).  You (jcamins) are ranked 11 out of 1884.
16:51 jcamins I'm number 11!
16:51 cait heh
16:51 cait congratulations :)
16:51 cait @karma
16:51 huginn cait: Highest karma: "rangi" (490), "oleonard" (412), and "wizzyrea" (273).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-108), "failed" (-70), and "-" (-38).  You (cait) are ranked 6 out of 1884.
16:52 jcamins Thanks. :)
16:52 jcamins @karma kf
16:52 huginn jcamins: Karma for "kf" has been increased 125 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 125.
16:52 jcamins @karma cait
16:52 huginn jcamins: Karma for "cait" has been increased 220 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 219.
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16:52 cait hi wizzyrea :)
16:52 jcamins That's a lot of karma!
16:52 jcamins Welcome back, wizzyrea.
16:54 wizzyrea hi thar
16:54 * wizzyrea sticks herself down with duct tape
16:55 * cait helps
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16:57 * jcamins gets stuck on the duct tape strewn about #koha.
16:58 pastebot "nengard" at pasted "report help: is it possible to replace codes with descriptions?" (10 lines) at
17:01 * oleonard thought rangi had cait and kf's karma linked. Guess not.
17:01 * wizzyrea too
17:01 cait not sure that's possible
17:01 oleonard Maybe that's just in the IRC stats
17:01 jcamins I think every so often rangi moves kf's karma over to cait.
17:01 cait I think he has done something for the chat statistic
17:01 cait I am not aware of that
17:02 cait cait was always a bit better off than kf
17:02 * cait doesn't know
17:02 * jcamins doesn't either.
17:02 nengard so confused :)
17:03 wizzyrea @karma
17:03 huginn wizzyrea: Highest karma: "rangi" (490), "oleonard" (412), and "wizzyrea" (273).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-108), "failed" (-70), and "-" (-38).  You (wizzyrea) are ranked 3 out of 1884.
17:03 wizzyrea !
17:04 nengard any brilliant mysql ideas on this one>
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17:07 * oleonard wonders if he has to list fudge on his tax return
17:07 wizzyrea ^.^
17:07 jcamins oleonard: the value was under $600, so I'm not issuing you a 1099.
17:07 oleonard Whew!
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17:12 cait nengard: I thinkj there is a way
17:13 cait i have copied something from the internet once, perhaps you could adapt that
17:13 cait nengard: it's used to add the german weekdays to the date format
17:13 cait
17:14 nengard cait that is so cool!
17:14 nengard let me try that :)
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17:25 pastebot "nengard" at pasted "new report thanks to cait" (17 lines) at
17:25 cait cool :)
17:26 oleonard Wow, I didn't know you could do that.
17:26 nengard so awesome!!
17:26 nengard sharing on the wiki
17:26 nengard it still shows codes for manual invoices but its still pretty awesome
17:33 wizzyrea really we ought to build that into the db somewhere
17:33 wizzyrea those descriptions I mean
17:35 cait it's still waiting for an overhaul
17:35 cait lots of untranslatable stuff because we put that into the db :(
17:35 nengard there are several not in the db: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]html#finescodefaq
17:35 cait don't want to add to it really
17:35 cait I think another thing you could do
17:35 cait make an authorised value
17:35 cait and use that in your sql
17:36 cait to resolve the codes into the correct descriptions
17:36 jcamins Agreed.
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17:51 wizzyrea ^^ qualifies as "in the db"
17:51 wizzyrea could make it part of the sample data
17:52 nengard the authorized values would have to be un-deletable
17:52 nengard or would probably break all kinds of stuff
17:53 cait nengard: i was thinking to only use them for that
17:53 cait not tying them into the code
17:53 cait not sure that's worth the trouble with the pending rewrite
17:53 cait I am still hoping that will happen sometime
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18:07 wizzyrea oh yea, the code wouldn't use them
18:07 wizzyrea oleonard about?
18:08 oleonard Yes
18:08 wizzyrea question - is there a reason that the OPAC search box doesn't take focus on load?
18:08 wizzyrea I was going to fix it but maybe you have a good reason for not making it that way
18:08 nengard i thought it used to ....
18:08 nengard could be wrong of course
18:08 wizzyrea it doesn't, I just checked
18:08 wizzyrea :)
18:09 nengard oh i know! I'm saying in the past I thought it did
18:09 wizzyrea it does in the intranet
18:10 oleonard I'm not sure about what it did and didn't do in the past, but I worry about conflicting with username/password entry
18:10 jcamins nengard: it has not at least since 3.0.5.
18:10 wizzyrea hmm explain
18:10 oleonard Page starts to load, I start to enter my username and password. Focus switches to search box, I end up typing my password there.
18:10 nengard jcamins - i imagine things all the time :)
18:10 wizzyrea hmm ok
18:11 nengard let's write it off as that
18:11 wizzyrea well
18:11 wizzyrea I was thinking of using the html5 autofocus
18:11 wizzyrea with a javascript fallback (or not)
18:11 jcamins nengard: it's easy enough to force it with jQuery, but that also means that you can't scroll using the keyboard.
18:11 rangi @wunder nzwn
18:11 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on December 31, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
18:11 rangi still raining
18:11 wizzyrea blarg.
18:11 cait oh :(
18:11 cait @wunder Reutlingen
18:11 huginn cait: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is 2.1�C (7:11 PM CET on December 30, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 28.76 in 973.8 hPa (Steady).
18:11 nengard @wunder 19030
18:11 huginn nengard: The current temperature in Highland Park, Levittown, Pennsylvania is 11.9�C (1:11 PM EST on December 30, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020.2 hPa (Steady).
18:12 cait rangi: thought you had summer?
18:12 nengard wow - warmed up here
18:12 rangi[…]r/all-new-zealand
18:12 rangi big cold front is sitting over the whole country has been for a few days
18:13 rangi last saturday it was about 25 about now
18:13 wizzyrea bug 7388
18:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7388 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , rounded corners for side menus in staff client
18:13 rangi all the new year concerts tonight will be rained out
18:13 wizzyrea noooo!
18:14 rangi yup
18:14 rangi[…]-nz-colour-latest
18:14 cait :(
18:14 jcamins @wunder 11375
18:14 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 9.4�C (12:48 PM EST on December 30, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa.
18:14 jcamins huginn: hello?
18:14 huginn jcamins: I've exhausted my database of quotes
18:14 jcamins @wunder 11375
18:14 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 9.4�C (12:48 PM EST on December 30, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa.
18:14 jcamins Hm. huginn's ignoring me.
18:14 rangi but tomorrow or maybe the next day we will be back to normal
18:15 rangi hmmm or not
18:15 rangi
18:16 rangi crap until wednesday which is the day work starts again
18:16 cait ouch
18:16 rangi and all the concerts are outdoors
18:17 jcamins It's the world's way of saying "stop celebrating, damn it. I don't have unlimited supplies of grain for beer!"
18:17 liw that reminds me, I should dig out the oilskin coat I bought in Wellington and reproof it so it works well again
18:17 rangi :)
18:22 rangi[…]t-in-Oriental-Bay
18:22 wizzyrea holy moly
18:24 rangi i like this bit
18:24 rangi "That night, Quirk took the kingi to his mates at Newtown fish 'n' chip shop Fish Fins – the Volpicelli brothers – for filleting."
18:25 * jcamins likes the "random guy in the water."
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18:45 jcamins wizzyrea: what's the Android tablet you have?
18:47 wizzyrea left #koha
18:47 rangi asus transformer
18:48 jcamins rangi: thanks.
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18:54 jcamins wizzyrea: enjoying your new laptop?
18:54 wizzyrea yes, yes I am.
18:54 jcamins :)
18:54 cait have to eat dinner my dad cooked... yum
18:54 cait bye all :)
18:55 trea bye cait
18:57 rangi cya cait
18:57 jcamins Enjoy.
19:01 rangi hmm
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19:09 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7387] Add Template::Toolkit plugin to allow caching of includes <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7387>
19:09 jcamins rangi++
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19:17 rangi[…]bin/
19:18 wizzyrea1 52!
19:18 wizzyrea1 we wanted below 50 for new year?
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19:24 rangi well its 60
19:25 rangi its only 50 for master
19:25 rangi theres 10 more
19:25 wizzyrea1 oh right you are
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19:30 wizzyrea1 on 6627, test by making sure no files are written into /tmp?
19:32 rangi thats it
19:32 wizzyrea1 k done and done.
19:32 rangi :)
19:36 tcohen hi, any recommended Perl OO reference for reading?
19:38 rangi just the perldoc
19:38 tcohen rangi: ok
19:38 rangi and look at Class::Accessor
19:43 tcohen interesting
19:43 wahanui interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good
19:43 tcohen its currently used in and
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19:46 jcamins tcohen: I don't think that's a coincidence. ;)
19:47 tcohen rangi is blamed for them?
19:48 jcamins tcohen: yep. :)
19:48 tcohen :-D
19:52 rangi :)
19:52 rangi means u dont have to go round writing getters and setters
19:54 jcamins Ah, those were the days. When bits were bits, pixels were pixels, and accessing a variable in an OO manner involved at least 10 lines of code!
19:55 jcamins (one line to declare the variable, two lines for the getter and setter prototypes, six lines for the getter and setter functions [three each], and one line to actually access the variable)
19:56 * rangi is afk for a bit
19:56 oleonard That sounds like the punchline to the nerdiest lightbulb joke ever jcamins
19:56 jcamins oleonard: thank you.
19:59 tcohen jcamins, class:accessor, Moose... is there any difference in terms of efficiency?
20:00 jcamins tcohen: I have no idea, sorry.
20:03 tcohen jcamins, thanks, i'm just courious about this
20:04 tcohen OO has some penalties in terms of abstraction layers and latency i guess
20:05 jcamins tcohen: I am of the opinion that the benefits in terms of programmer productivity and maintenance make the slight penalties worthwhile.
20:05 tcohen i fully agree!
20:06 tcohen there was an RFC on this?
20:07 jcamins On what?
20:07 tcohen OO
20:07 tcohen Koha and OO
20:08 jcamins Not to my knowledge.
20:08 tcohen it was about using a ORM
20:14 rangi you can't compare moose to this
20:14 rangi class::accessor is a very useful screwdriver
20:15 rangi moose is liking dumping every tool in the world into every module
20:15 rangi s/liking/like/
20:15 jcamins A moose once bit my sister.
20:15 jcamins No realli!
20:15 tcohen hehehe
20:15 rangi its a full framework with a huge performance penalty
20:16 rangi its not just choosing to write modules in OO style where it makes sense to
20:16 jcamins Mynd you, moose bites kan be pretty nasti.
20:18 * jcamins may need to watch Monty Python to celebrate the New Year.
20:18 rangi :)
20:18 rangi bbiab
20:18 tcohen jcamins: that would be a great way to celebrate!
20:19 jcamins A friend of mine always watches This Is Spinal Tap.
20:20 tcohen albatross
20:20 tcohen albatrooossssss
20:21 jcamins :)
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20:23 oleonard working in the cart now too:
20:23 jcamins @later tell sekjal Bug 1633 is ready for QA whenever you are. :)
20:23 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
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20:47 trea a moose once bit my sister...
20:47 jcamins She was carving her initials in it with an intergalactic toothbrush given to her by her husband Sven.
20:50 jcamins Hey, this is weird.
20:51 jcamins If you search for "aa" in the main entry ($a only) in the authority plugin, do you get every authority starting with a?
21:03 oleonard Bye #koha, Happy New Year
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22:35 jcamins cait: isn't it a bit late for you?
22:35 cait not that late
22:35 cait and today i am still on vacation :)
22:37 jcamins True.
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