IRC log for #koha, 2011-12-28

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00:18 magnus_afk is now known as magnus_away
00:51 cait chrisdothall: still around?
00:51 chrisdothall cait: maybe
00:51 cait maybe?
00:51 cait depending on my question?
00:51 cait :)
00:52 chrisdothall cait: exactly :)
00:52 cait hm
00:52 chrisdothall I may suddenly come down with the flu or something..
00:52 cait than you will probably try to run away soon
00:52 * cait tries to find the ball and chain
00:53 cait there is this bug
00:53 cait that got magically assigned to you
00:53 chrisdothall 7327?
00:53 cait exactly
00:54 chrisdothall as soon as you asked if I was there I thought it was about that :)
00:54 cait heh
00:57 chrisdothall cait: so this is your friendly reminder to do it? if so, thanks, it had slipped my mind :(
00:57 cait hm
00:57 cait more like promising cookies and lots of karma if you might consider looking into it?
00:58 chrisdothall ohh karma AND cookies.. that is a hard offer to refuse.
00:58 wahanui and cookies.. that is a hard offer to refuse. has neutral karma
00:58 cait and a lot nicer
00:59 cait wahanui?
00:59 wahanui yes, cait?
00:59 cait what brought that up?
00:59 cait forget and cookies...
00:59 rangi you said karma
00:59 cait ah
00:59 cait I did
00:59 rangi karam for cookies
01:00 rangi karma for karam
01:00 wahanui karam has neutral karma
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01:02 cait karma for chrisdothall
01:02 wahanui chrisdothall has karma of 1
01:02 cait !
01:02 cait chrisdothall++
01:02 cait all those great template work and only 1 karma
01:02 cait that's not right
01:02 rangi @karma chrisdothall
01:02 huginn rangi: Karma for "chrisdothall" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2.
01:05 chrisdothall :(
01:09 cait oh don't do that
01:09 cait the sad smiley
01:09 cait breaks my heart
01:09 * cait sends cookies
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01:34 cait and now he is hiding...
01:35 chrisdothall sorry was looking through the translation scripts like a good elf
01:35 cait heh
01:35 cait ok, not distracting you then
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03:25 AmitG heya bag
03:25 bag heya AmitG
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04:32 AmitG can we break the text using PDF::Reuse
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05:51 Oak @later tell cait[…]twork-lesson/pdf/
05:51 huginn Oak: The operation succeeded.
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07:46 julian_m hello
07:46 wahanui hi, julian_m
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08:06 asaurat hi!
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08:15 gaetan_B hello #koha!
08:15 cait hi asaurat and gaetan_B :)
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08:16 francharb morning
08:17 cait hi francharb
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08:43 rangi morning france
08:43 cait evening nz
08:44 rangi heh
08:44 magnus_away is now known as magnuse
08:44 magnuse hello world!
08:45 cait morning magnuse
08:45 magnuse guten tag cait, and thanks for the signoff
08:45 magnuse cait++
08:46 cait you are welcome :)
08:47 sophie_m hello #koha
08:47 cait hi sophie_m :)
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08:49 hdl hi rangi
08:49 cait bonjour hdl and paul_p :)
08:50 hdl hi cait
08:50 paul_p bonjour cait
08:50 magnuse kia ora paul_p and hdl
08:51 hdl magnuse: hehe... Hi #koha
08:59 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5347] late order management <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5347>
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11:57 vfernandes hi koha community
12:00 vfernandes i'm having a problem with koha overdue emails.... when the library is closed and the fines scripts runs fine (temporary file is correctly filled) the emails for overdue notices are filled with fine equal to 0.0
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13:05 asaurat on bug 7241, do we agree on creating a new field ? (and does the name of the new field is ok ?)
13:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7241 minor, P5 - low, ---, ago, ASSIGNED , circulation action logs record biblionumber instead of item number
13:08 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6842] Branch transfer limits broken <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6842>
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13:18 magnuse yo NateC!
13:19 NateC Morning magnuse!
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13:38 oleonard Hi #koha
13:38 magnuse hiya oleonard
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15:15 * oleonard whispers hello to all who have snuck in
15:16 nengard why are you whispering?
15:16 oleonard Because it's so quiet in here
15:17 nengard got it :)
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15:39 jcamins_away is now known as jcamins
15:39 * jcamins wishes everyone a loud good morning.
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15:49 rhcl morning jcamins
15:52 jcamins Morning, rhcl.
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16:06 rhcl Hi Oak
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16:41 Oak hello rhcl :o)
16:41 Oak Happy Holidays!
16:42 Oak sorry I just saw your message. watching movie...
16:42 * Oak goes back to movie
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17:03 bag @wunder 93109
17:03 huginn bag: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 12.8�C (9:02 AM PST on December 28, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Falling).
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17:13 tcohen hi paul_p
17:14 paul_p hi tcohen
17:14 tcohen just wanted to clarify
17:14 trea is now known as trea-away
17:14 tcohen i've been conservative in the way I propose several enhancements
17:14 tcohen assuming big changes can lead the enhancement not to be included
17:15 tcohen I can send a patch that solves this
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17:15 tcohen and can even send a patch that reuses Context->memcached
17:15 paul_p tcohen, mmm... in fact, I think that if I had seen this problem before, I could have proposed "failed QA", even if it's usefull. You're highly welcomed to send a patch finishing the job !
17:16 tcohen ok
17:16 rhcl melia: our director is out for the week; will snag her next week
17:16 tcohen a patch against master, that uses setenv
17:16 melia ok rhcl. thanks!
17:16 tcohen right?
17:17 paul_p good morning melia.
17:18 paul_p tcohen, right
17:18 melia morning
17:18 nengard afternoon
17:18 nengard :)
17:19 jcamins paul_p: since you're around, question regarding bug 7345: any objection to cait's suggestion?
17:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7345 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Should be possible to export MARC records without private fields
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17:19 patric Howdy.
17:20 jcamins paul_p: also, while I'm bending your ear, is there anything I need to do to get bug 7332 in?
17:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7332 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Translated title (MARC21 field 242) doesn't display
17:20 jcamins Howdy, patric.
17:21 patric koha-create --create-db library and an apache restart should have something showing up localhost:8080?
17:21 jcamins patric: it depends whether you set up the intranet to listen on 8080 or as a virtual host.
17:23 patric koha-sites.conf?
17:23 wahanui i guess koha-sites.conf is never generated during install
17:23 patric The instructions tell you to create it and modify it
17:24 jcamins patric: right. Did you set a port for the intranet or a subdomain?
17:25 pastebot "patric" at pasted "koha-site.conf" (7 lines) at
17:26 jcamins patric: in that case, you'll need to access the intranet on library-intra.smcs.local
17:26 jcamins (rather than port 8080)
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17:28 patric Lookee there
17:29 patric thank you very much, the README.Debian still lists adding listen 8080 to ports.conf, is that deprecated?
17:30 jcamins patric: that's for if you're not using the packages.
17:30 jcamins The packages take care of most of that for you.
17:30 patric Gotcha
17:30 patric default user/pass?/
17:30 patric (I should be looking this up)
17:31 jcamins patric: you'll need to get that out of your koha-conf.xml file.
17:31 jcamins Search for "pass" -- it'll probably be the third occurrence.
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17:31 jcamins It's randomly generated.
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17:31 patric very nice
17:33 patric no has, the plaintext in the xml is the password?
17:33 patric hash, not has
17:33 paul_p jcamins, I must leave. About 7345 i feel I still don't understand, but I have to read & try to understand more. About 7332, nope, it seems everybody agrees with the "heavy XSLT" idea, i'll QA & push it ASAP.
17:33 jcamins paul_p: thanks.
17:35 patric username is koha_$site?
17:35 jcamins patric: yup.
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17:42 * jcamins tosses trea[1-3]? the duct tape.
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17:55 patric alrighty, I have some plaintext from an ancient unsupported library system that I'd like to convert and import, are there any thoughts on which marc flavor I'll have better luck with?
17:55 jcamins patric: where are you located?
17:55 jcamins patric: you choose MARC flavor based on what other libraries around you use, not based on up-front conversion.
17:57 patric Newton Kansas, in the US
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17:57 jcamins patric: MARC21 it is. :)
17:57 wizzyrea I know where newton is
17:57 patric no way
17:57 wizzyrea way
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17:58 * wizzyrea could probably be there in a couple of hours ;)
17:58 * jcamins could not.
17:58 wizzyrea mmm 3 more likely
17:58 wizzyrea or so.
17:58 jcamins wizzyrea: happy holidays!
17:58 wizzyrea oh hi :)
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18:00 trea ugh. think my wireless router is having an aneurysm. i've hardwired it.
18:00 trea apologies for the bouncing
18:00 * jcamins hands trea some more duct tape.
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18:09 cait hi #koha
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18:10 jcamins Hi cait.
18:10 wahanui Hi cait. are you looking at the rwc final?
18:10 cait forget Hi cait?
18:10 cait and hi jcamins :)
18:10 jcamins Hi cait?
18:10 jcamins cait: looks like it worked.
18:10 cait Hi cait.
18:10 wahanui Hi cait. are you looking at the rwc final?
18:10 jcamins Nope.
18:10 cait no
18:10 cait forget Hi cait.
18:10 jcamins wahanui: forget Hi cait.
18:10 wahanui jcamins, I didn't have anything matching hi cait
18:10 cait hmm
18:11 cait Hi cait.
18:11 wahanui Hi cait. are you looking at the rwc final?
18:11 cait grr.
18:11 cait magnuse++
18:12 pastebot "patric" at pasted "list of text files from old broken system" (10 lines) at
18:13 jcamins patric: you're going to have a lot of working converting that.
18:13 patric I was afraid of that
18:14 patric Any pointers?
18:14 jcamins patric: not really.
18:17 jcamins Hi cait.
18:17 cait jcamins: I see you responded to my notes about 7031
18:17 cait :)
18:17 jcamins bug 7031
18:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7031 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , More options for AdvancedSearchTypes
18:17 cait I guessed 1 was not possible
18:17 jcamins Ah, yes I did.
18:17 cait but wanted to note it
18:18 * jcamins doesn't see 2 as cause for failing QA, but I see that's not why you failed it.
18:18 jcamins :)
18:18 jcamins Makes sense.
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18:26 trea unless i'm missing something, bug 1807
18:26 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1807 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , ':' character blocks search ; search () give odd results
18:27 trea and bug 2629 both show in the git logs, but neither says pushed
18:27 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2629 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ago, ASSIGNED , Diacritics not being ignored when searching
18:27 cait jcamins: i was not sure about it either
18:28 cait if that's enough to fail
18:28 cait but I think ian can decide
18:28 trea 2629 is listed as Needs Signoff, and 1807 is Failed QA. are they just miscategorized?
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18:41 cait @wunder Konstanz
18:41 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -1.0�C (7:39 PM CET on December 28, 2011). Conditions: Light Freezing Fog. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028.0 hPa (Falling).
18:41 cait @wunder Reutlingen
18:41 huginn cait: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is 3.6�C (7:41 PM CET on December 28, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 28.94 in 979.9 hPa (Steady).
18:41 cait bug 2629
18:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2629 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ago, ASSIGNED , Diacritics not being ignored when searching
18:41 jcamins @wunder 11375
18:41 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 5.8�C (1:40 PM EST on December 28, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.54 in 1000.2 hPa (Rising).
18:42 cait trea: 2629 is correct as needs signoff It ink
18:42 jcamins cait: if you can replicate the problem, please do.
18:42 jcamins (for sign off)
18:43 cait ah
18:43 cait did I misread?
18:43 trea cait perhaps i'm missing something, but if it needs signoff would it show up here?[…]2a86d9735bddf3098
18:43 cait you asked for the record I think
18:43 jcamins cait: no, it's still needs sign off.
18:43 jcamins trea: that's a different patch than the one that needs sign off.
18:43 cait trea: there have been several patches to this bug
18:43 jcamins Sorry, I'm a bit late to the discussion.
18:44 jcamins ago43's patch still has not been signed off and pushed.
18:44 cait the one still needing sign off is from ago43
18:44 cait what jcamins said
18:44 * cait is typing too slow
18:44 trea mmm, confusing
18:44 trea confusing?
18:44 wahanui somebody said confusing was "Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
18:45 jcamins trea: if you'd like to attach the problematic record to the bug, that might encourage me to try signing off again.
18:45 trea i'll see what i can do
18:45 cait i think pushed patches should be marked obsolete at bugs like this
18:45 cait makes it a bit less confusing and easier for git bz users
18:45 * jcamins loses interest quickly when faced with a library that disables MARC export on the OPAC.
18:46 trea ^^
18:54 jcamins ago43: I'll need the actual MARC record to test it. Marlboro has disabled export.
18:55 * tcohen needs a good oo perl reference manual
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18:55 ago43 jcamins: I'll dig that out.
18:56 jcamins ago43: thanks.
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19:12 rangi manus_afk:  <-- that you
19:12 jcamins donum++ # great name
19:14 jcamins ago43: thanks.
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19:16 cait rangi: :)
19:16 rangi ahh ta
19:17 rangi i knew i had seen it before somewhere
19:18 ago43 jcamins: you're welcome.  sorry I forgot about that.
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19:22 jcamins ago43: no problem. I'll sign off on it as soon as I get the chance.
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19:31 jcamins Whoah!
19:31 rangi whoah?
19:31 jcamins rangi Princeton switched to a discovery layer.
19:31 rangi ah
19:32 jcamins rangi: and it is using up *all* my bandwidth.
19:32 jcamins Not a winner.
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19:34 jcamins And it's just Primo.
19:35 jcamins Huh. Wonder what they did wrong.
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20:14 rhcl I'll be the first to get Koha running on it.[…]january-28204830/
20:15 rangi :)
20:15 jcamins rhcl++
20:15 rangi someone had koha running on their playstation
20:15 rangi why .. because they could
20:16 rhcl hey, the sony cell processors aren't bad. If you get a bunch of 'em you can build a semi-respectable supercomputer. Somebody did that, I seem to remember.
20:17 jcamins rhcl: a shame that Koha isn't massively parallel.
20:20 rangi oh this was old playstation
20:20 rangi not nice ps3
20:21 rhcl nice ->[…]1/12/PC236526.jpg
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20:37 jcamins rhcl: you are responsible for the massive loss of productivity that is going to occur in my circle of technical friends.
20:37 jcamins rhcl: I hope you can live with that on your conscience. :P
20:43 jcamins rangi++
20:43 rangi ?
20:44 jcamins rangi: integrating Wikipedia with Koha.
20:45 rangi ah yeah
20:45 rangi thats cait's fault
20:45 rangi cait++
20:45 cait :)
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20:57 rhcl jcamins: say what? translate to English
20:58 cait rangi++ :)
20:58 jcamins rhcl: I had never heard of Raspberry Pi. Neither had any of my non-Koha friends.
20:58 jcamins Now we all have.
21:00 rhcl and raspberry will negatively affect productivity? I've got some dark projects linked somewhere better than that.
21:00 jcamins rhcl: well, it will negatively affect productivity for products that don't involve Raspberry Pi boards. :P
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21:03 rhcl You know, for a while I was on a kick to rejuvenate firewalls. I'd take something like a Firebox ([…]5_watchguard.jpg) that was going out of service, and load smoothwall on it.
21:04 rhcl Did that with two Fireboxes, a Symantec Velicoraptor ([…]velociraptor.jpg) and a few others. I picked out stuff that was cheap on eBay and pretty.
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21:05 jcamins rhcl: how many firewalls did you need?
21:05 rhcl I've been trying to clean out stuff today in my network room, and I saw that I still have one pending project box--a big massive steel rackmount sucker
21:05 rhcl you can never have too many :)
21:06 rhcl You know, I had some oddball white firewall I rehabbed, but I haven't seen it in a while. Wonder where it is?
21:07 jcamins rhcl: any of your branches reporting fewer than usual viruses? ;)
21:08 rhcl mostly I don't use these at the library. We have grown-up Cisco ASAs for that. I have used them occasionally at work, but mostly at home.
21:08 rhcl this is all with my own money and time, of course
21:09 rhcl and I got bored after a while, when the challenge kinda went away after I'd done about 6 or so.
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21:12 rhcl to be honest, I love working on computers, but lately I've been sorta feeling like a computer is a computer, and I need something more of a challenge.
21:13 rhcl a number of years ago I exchanged emails with this group - - right when they were starting up and looking for people to join them
21:13 jcamins rhcl: time to take up embedded systems?
21:13 rhcl I was tempted, but in the military and moving every 2 years, so there was no way it could have worked out
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21:14 rhcl embedded? well, that's kinda like firewalls, so I'd need an exciting use/application to grab my interest
21:14 jcamins rhcl: telemetry systems for model cars?
21:15 rhcl telemetry for rockets maybe. I do have a bit of a background in RF
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21:17 jcamins "First object cataloged from space in MARC21. French libraries object that MARC21 is not nearly as universal as its proponents would like us to think."
21:18 rhcl for a while I was messing around w/ ACARS decoders.
21:21 rhcl
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21:26 talljoy hey koha!  anyone familiar with adding records to the message_attributes table?  I added a record and it appears in the patron screen as 'unknown' not the message name i provided.
21:32 rangi it will do that if it doesnt have valid transports set for it
21:33 rangi talljoy: look at
21:34 rangi installer/data/mysql/en/mandatory/​sample_notices_message_transports.sql
21:34 talljoy that explains these random values from some other version of "koha"
21:34 rangi ah yeah
21:35 rangi basically look in that dir installer/data/mysql/en/mandatory/ there are 3 sql files for the notices
21:35 rangi they all work together
21:36 talljoy okay.
21:37 jcamins talljoy: I left a message for you with huginn about this, but you need to delete automatically-generated authority records when working with MARCIVE.
21:40 rhcl you got me thinking about my last unstarted project. I have one of these in the closet downstairs ->
21:40 rhcl 4 NICs + (2) 4-port switches. I outta be able to do something exciting with this.
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21:48 rangi hiya jcamins
21:48 rangi hmm jransom even
21:49 jransom hello
21:50 jransom you often type jcamins instead of jransom
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21:50 Brooke o/
21:50 rangi its tab completion
21:50 jransom hey!
21:50 jransom there you go
21:50 jransom wacthed once were warriors again last night with a bunch of teenagers
21:50 jransom fascinating
21:50 Brooke good on you
21:50 jransom when i first watched i was shocked silent
21:50 Brooke I can't believe that Emma had to sit your arse back down :P
21:51 jcamins Time to head home.
21:51 jransom not this lot - fascinating listening to their commentary
21:51 jcamins Good night, #koha.
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21:51 jransom shocked that noone did anything, or spoke up, or protected the kids or the wife, and that even the wifes friend just ignored the violence ..
21:51 jransom society has so move don
21:52 jransom this is cool:[…]r/all-new-zealand
21:53 jransom just rang my boy and told him to scarper off the coromandel and head to cover
21:53 rangi yeah its gonna be wet
21:53 Brooke wet > dry
21:54 jransom oh yeah - he said its been pelting down for ages already and its not even showing blue where he is yet
21:54 Brooke he'll be safe if it's Connor or Wills
21:55 Brooke if it's Liam, that boy needs the help of God and two peelers.
21:55 jransom its connor
21:55 jransom oops
21:55 jransom william
21:55 jransom connor is staying home today: completely knackered having paddled a 4 man surf canoe for much of yesterday
21:55 jransom without sun block .....
21:56 Brooke If I ever find a runner, I'm meant to pilot the canoe in the Women's Triathlon. Kay called the horse.
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