IRC log for #koha, 2011-12-16

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00:00 * jcamins_away seeks around for more bad news to give rangi.
00:01 jcamins_away [A
00:01 jcamins_away Whoops.
00:08 * jcamins_away leaves again.
00:17 rhcl is now known as rhcl_away
00:44 melia I need help applying a patch. this page doesn't tell me what to do if the patch includes database schema changes:[…]_bz_configuration
00:44 melia (and I'm not a developer, so I don't just know the answer)
00:51 melia no takers. ah well. I'm giving up for today! :)
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01:40 wizzyrea @later tell melia[…]#Database_updates may help you with your query from yesterday. :)
01:40 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
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02:41 Brooke o/
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03:15 druthb o/
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03:37 AmitG heya bag :d
03:37 AmitG Good morning koha :D
03:37 AmitG mtj around ?
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04:46 kmkale Namaskaar #koha
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05:08 cait good morning #koha
05:21 kmkale Namaste cait :)
05:23 kmkale @seen jransom
05:23 huginn` kmkale: jransom was last seen in #koha 1 week, 1 day, 10 hours, 22 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <jransom> im off folks - meetings to get to
05:24 cait hi kmkale
05:25 kmkale cait can I interest you in signing off on bug 6843?
05:25 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6843 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Renew membership from expiry date or from current date
05:25 cait ah
05:25 kmkale simple stuff really
05:25 cait hasn't that be signed off already?
05:25 kmkale not that I know of
05:25 cait :)
05:26 cait last night
05:26 cait but there is a follow up for it
05:26 kmkale OOOOHHHH :)
05:26 cait I can check that
05:26 cait or you could :)
05:28 kmkale where is the follow up. I can only see Duncan's sign off
05:28 cait ah you are right
05:28 cait was looking at another bug
05:28 cait so he forgot to obsolete your patch :)
05:29 cait ah, I see your patch is missing the bug number in the subject line
05:30 kmkale No its not. [PATCH] [Bug 6843] Renew membership from expiry date or from current
05:30 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6843 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Renew membership from expiry date or from current date
05:30 cait hm
05:31 kmkale but another sign-off won't hurt :-D
05:31 cait[…]hment.cgi?id=6822
05:31 cait heh
05:31 cait I have a big list of thins for this morning, can't promise I will get to it
05:32 kmkale[…]hment.cgi?id=6781
05:33 cait werid
05:33 cait so he deleted it?
05:33 cait ah
05:33 cait perhaps becaues you put it in square brackets
05:33 kmkale Duncan's signed off patch does not have the bug number in the subject line.
05:33 cait it got deleted
05:33 kmkale is that waht happens?
05:33 cait it's a guess
05:33 cait but the other square bracket things are put in automatically
05:33 cait so perhaps
05:51 AmitG heya cait
05:52 cait hi AmitG
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06:08 cait hi trea
06:08 cait can I ask you something as a native speaker? :)
06:08 trea go ahead
06:08 trea and hi
06:08 cait and why are you awake?
06:08 trea there's work to do
06:08 cait I am looking at the last touches for 5347
06:09 cait trea: not sure that's an excuse
06:09 cait we have 2 new columns there now: claims count and claimed date
06:09 trea hehe ok
06:09 cait on the page for late orders
06:09 cait claims count is the number of times you have sent out the mail
06:09 cait and claimed date the last time you sent one
06:10 cait I am not sure if the names are good
06:10 cait perhaps claim count and claim date?
06:10 cait or something else?
06:10 trea let me read over 5347. one moment.
06:10 cait[…]hment.cgi?id=6661
06:10 cait there is a screenshot :)
06:11 trea who do the mail messages goto? the vendor?
06:11 cait yes
06:11 cait you are late with... sent it immediately
06:11 trea it being books/items/etc
06:12 cait yes
06:12 trea so it's a count of the number of times a message has been sent to a vendor
06:12 cait yep
06:12 trea and the message says "please send items immediately?"
06:12 cait or whatever you want
06:12 trea or what does it say
06:12 trea mmm
06:13 cait the template is ACQCLAIM and it's for orders that are late
06:13 trea aha. ok
06:13 trea then in that context those make sense
06:13 trea it's just not a process i'm familiar enough with
06:14 trea
06:14 trea ?
06:14 trea is requisition used elsewhere in koha?
06:15 trea because that's what this is. a written request for "something"
06:16 cait no
06:16 cait we have late orders and claims in koha
06:16 cait so claimed date and claims counter it is :)
06:17 trea glad i could help
06:17 cait I thik requisition is before you order
06:17 cait claiming is after
06:18 trea ah, good point
06:18 cait trea++ :)
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06:55 magnuse kia ora #koha
06:55 cait morning magnuse :)
06:56 magnuse guten morgen cait
06:58 cait hmm
06:59 cait magnuse: can you take a look at 7247?
06:59 magnuse well, i can *look* at it
06:59 magnuse ;-)
06:59 cait I don't require more )
06:59 cait the help now states
06:59 cait increase the amount of logging.  Normally only
06:59 cait warnings and errors from the indexing are shown.
06:59 cait Use log level 2 (-vv) to include all Zebra logs.
06:59 cait but -vv does not work for me, only -v -v
06:59 cait and -v
07:00 cait so is this a failed qa?
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07:02 magnuse it says -vv should work - id it does not i'd say that's a fail, yeah
07:03 cait ok
07:03 cait I was not sure if this is some syntax I don't know
07:04 magnuse i'm not very familiar with it either
07:04 magnuse it might be that "everyone" knows -vv means you have to write out -v -v
07:05 magnuse but then we should not make it look like you can do -vv - if it confuses us it will confuse others...
07:07 cait heh
07:07 cait I will add a note to the bug and people can disagree
07:07 cait thx :)
07:10 magnuse the docs i found says this about +: "The option does not take an argument and will be incremented by 1 every time it appears on the command line. E.g. "more+" , when used with --more --more --more, will increment the value three times, resulting in a value of 3 (provided it was 0 or undefined at first)."
07:10 magnuse doesn't say anything about short options...
07:11 cait now I am confused
07:11 cait even more than before :)
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07:24 cait morgen mbalmer
07:24 mbalmer morgen!
07:30 AmitG heya alex_a, mabalmer
07:33 alex_a hi AmitG
07:33 alex_a hi cait
07:33 alex_a hi mbalmer
07:33 cait hi alex_a :)
07:33 cait alex_a: hope jonathan is not going to kill me
07:34 alex_a jonathan never did that i believe
07:35 cait never did that before you mean? :)
07:35 alex_a yes :)
07:35 alex_a in french we say: "never say never" in english too ?
07:35 alex_a :D
07:35 cait hehe
07:35 cait in German we say that too
07:35 cait sag niemals nie
07:37 alex_a cait: what is the problem ?
07:37 wahanui hmmm... the problem is its human beings doing it
07:38 cait I failed late order management again
07:38 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7355] Note subfields are not displayed in TEXTAREA if hidden <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7355>
07:38 cait broken diacritics in my mail
07:39 cait turns out I never picked a title with umlauts in my other tests
07:40 alex_a is it serious ?
07:41 cait alex_a:  I think so
07:41 cait you only get ? where umluats should be, I think it will be similar for french accents
07:41 cait ok, bbiab
07:42 alex_a umluats ?
07:42 cait üäö
07:42 cait ÜÖÄ
07:42 alex_a ok
07:42 cait something wrong with the encoding
07:42 mbalmer Joachim is rocking my house….
07:42 cait mbalmer: ?
07:43 cait @wunder Konstanz
07:43 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.8�C (8:39 AM CET on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.33 in 993.1 hPa (Falling).
07:43 cait oh, the storm is named Joachim?
07:43 mbalmer yep
07:43 cait not so much storm here, only rain... meh
07:43 cait have to walk to work
07:43 cait bye all
07:44 mbalmer it's now hitting switzerland, up to 140 km/h
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07:44 alex_a not storm here either
07:44 alex_a :)
07:47 magnuse @wunder boo
07:47 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0�C (8:20 AM CET on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.00 in 982 hPa (Rising).
07:47 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:47 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 11.0�C (8:30 AM CET on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
07:48 magnuse @wunder wellington, nz
07:48 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0�C (8:00 PM NZDT on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising).
07:48 magnuse hm
07:55 rangi sup dudes
07:56 * rangi may have been drinking since 1pm so im not signing anything off
07:56 magnuse hehe
07:57 magnuse and now it's 9 pm?
07:57 magnuse maybe write some patches instead, then?
07:58 mbalmer <rangi> I'm turning beer into code
07:58 rangi
07:58 AmitG @wunder New Delhi
07:58 huginn` AmitG: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 19.0�C (1:00 PM IST on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
07:58 AmitG @wunder Dehradun
07:58 huginn` AmitG: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 16.0�C (11:30 AM IST on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa.
07:58 AmitG @wunder Shimla
07:58 huginn` AmitG: The current temperature in Shimla, India is 11.0�C (11:30 PM IST on November 08, 2008). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Pressure: (Falling).
07:58 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
07:59 magnuse rangi: would that be a script for the opac or the staff client?
07:59 AmitG @wunder Srinagar
07:59 huginn` AmitG: The current temperature in Srinagar, India is 4.0�C (11:30 AM IST on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: -3.0�C.
07:59 rangi hmm staff I think
07:59 magnuse heh, that's colder than bod�!
07:59 magnuse rangi: yay!
08:00 rangi @wunder wellington nz
08:00 huginn` rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0�C (8:00 PM NZDT on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising).
08:00 * rangi is on the bus on the way home
08:00 magnuse not the most amazing summer temperature i have heard of...
08:00 rangi yeah its rainy and yuck
08:01 rangi sposta be nice tomorrow
08:01 magnuse yay
08:01 magnuse better set your alarm for nice and early then!
08:02 rangi heh
08:02 rangi no need for alarm
08:02 rangi I have children
08:02 magnuse well, how about if you woke them up for a change?
08:02 rangi Hehe
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08:03 reiveune hello
08:03 magnuse bonjour reiveune
08:05 reiveune Bonjour magnuse, everybody
08:06 paul_p good morning world
08:06 magnuse kia ora paul_p
08:08 mbalmer #koha wakes up ;)
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08:12 magnuse wow, 167 people with code in koha
08:12 magnuse community++
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08:14 AmitG heya reiveune
08:14 wahanui reiveune is working for biblibre
08:14 AmitG gaten around ?
08:14 reiveune hi AmitG
08:14 mbalmer when I work on a feature, which will probably take a substantial time (3-6 months), I create a branch.  Should I also create a "Bug" for it, although it will likely produce many, many diffs?
08:14 francharb hello
08:14 alex_a wahanui knows too many things
08:14 wahanui alex_a: sorry...
08:14 mbalmer or this there a different process?
08:15 magnuse mbalmer: yes, create a bug, that way people can see you are working on it
08:15 AmitG reiveune: whr is gaten?
08:15 mbalmer magnuse, ok.
08:15 magnuse mbalmer: you don't have to attach patches before they are ready, though
08:16 mbalmer ok.
08:16 reiveune AmitG: I don't know, I'm in France
08:16 magnuse mbalmer: what some people do is point to a git repo from the bug report, and say i'm publishing my work here every now and then, so people can have a look if they want
08:16 mbalmer ah yes, I could git push to github or so
08:17 mbalmer well, before I start, I need to install my system from source, removing the debian packages first
08:17 magnuse mbalmer: if it's something non-trivial it's also considered nice to put an RFC on the wiki, with a description of what you are doing
08:17 mbalmer yes, I will need that anyways, to log about the progress
08:18 magnuse good thinking ;-)
08:18 mbalmer biggest problem though is still my knowledge of perl (or rather lack thereof)
08:18 magnuse practice makes perfect! ;-)
08:19 magnuse what are going to work on?
08:19 mbalmer pgsql
08:19 magnuse ah
08:19 magnuse others will have opinions on that, so an RFC will be very good
08:20 mbalmer yes, some already statet opinions here.
08:20 magnuse ah, cool
08:20 mbalmer which are not necessary coherent with my ideas, though :>
08:20 mbalmer but time will tell
08:20 magnuse will you add pgsql in parallell to mysql or use an abstraction layer?
08:21 mbalmer right now I have tendency towards "parallel mode"
08:22 magnuse ah yes, people will have opinions on that ;-)
08:23 mbalmer mysql and pgsql _ARE_ different, so a common abstraction layer brings the danger of it being the least common denominator, not taking advantage of either feature set.
08:23 magnuse sure
08:23 mbalmer so I think it is better to have two interfaces in parallel, each one optimized, and only then see if the can be abstracted.
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08:24 kf meeh
08:24 kf light rain
08:24 kf bah.
08:24 kf underground passage (rails) was flooded - I am soaked.
08:24 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:24 huginn` kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 5.1�C (9:20 AM CET on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.29 in 991.8 hPa (Falling).
08:24 magnuse ouch!
08:24 magnuse almost sounds like a monday...
08:24 mbalmer an abstraction layer should only come when there are actually at least two things to abstract from, it should not be starting point.  though a clear API could be a "middle ground"
08:25 kf magnuse: worse than a monday
08:25 AmitG heya kf :D
08:25 magnuse mbalmer: that sounds like an argument - i do not have very strong opinions on it myself... ;-)
08:26 magnuse kf: ouch!
08:26 kf glad I had sweat pants from gymnastics at work and got socks from a coworker
08:26 kf but meh!
08:27 AmitG chris_n around?
08:27 kf AmitG: he is in the US - too early
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08:27 gaetan_B hello
08:27 wahanui salut, gaetan_B
08:27 gaetan_B :)
08:28 kf hi gaetan_B
08:33 alex_a kf, very good news: jonathan just said he will not kill you ;)
08:33 asaurat he'll only maim you
08:33 asaurat hi kf ! :D
08:34 kf alex_a: YAY! :)
08:34 kf hi asaurat
08:34 kf alex_a: did he opt for poisoning me next time we meet?
08:34 kf oh
08:34 kf maiming... not nice
08:35 asaurat =) no, he actually said he was a pacifist, so no need to worry I guess ;)
08:35 alex_a kf: lol
08:35 kf asaurat: I might change that...
08:37 kf but yay for now :)
08:42 sophie_m hello #koha
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08:46 kf hi sophie_m
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08:53 mbalmer is 'C4/Auth_cas_servers.yaml.orig' a mistake?  i.e. why the '.orig' suffix?
08:58 kf I think you might be supposed to copy the file? not sure.
08:58 kf we are not using CAS
08:58 mbalmer couldn't that be a leftover from applying a patch?
08:59 kf i think asking someone from biblibre will help
09:00 kf fredericd: around?
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09:04 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6755] Problems with switching languages <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6755>
09:06 mbalmer got myself "Learning Perl, 6th Edition" for $4.99
09:15 kf not sure which edition I have
09:15 kf still have 2 chapters to read..
09:16 mbalmer I looked up the ISBN at amazon, registered as print book at o'reilly, then upgraded to the ebook for 5$ (you can upgrade any book you registered for 5$)
09:19 mbalmer paul_p?
09:19 wahanui paul_p is the 3.8 release manager, and is very tall, and does not like coffee.
09:19 paul_p mbalmer, yep
09:20 mbalmer wrt ot your comment, I guess it happened because I used diff and patch directly on my repo (nit got diff etc.)
09:20 mbalmer so I somehow got the stuff screwed up.
09:20 mbalmer beginners mistake, I guess.
09:20 paul_p you're probably right.
09:20 paul_p mbalmer, do you know git bz ?
09:21 paul_p (the handiest tool I've seen with git !!!)
09:21 mbalmer it has been mentioned to me and it is on my  list to try out.
09:21 AmitG heya paul_p
09:21 paul_p hi AmitG
09:21 kf paul_p: so simple, so much fun :)
09:21 mbalmer right now U have to brush up my Perl a bit (I am usually a C/kernel hacker)
09:22 mbalmer s/U/I/
09:22 kf we also have js, html, template toolkit and xslt ... more fun! :)
09:22 mbalmer these are no problem.
09:23 mbalmer it's really only perl.
09:27 kf paul_p: perhaps we should fix the patch - revert and mbalmer could sign off the original?
09:28 paul_p kf, for a so small patch, it's not worth it.
09:29 kf I am not sure I agree
09:29 paul_p kf, why ?
09:29 kf mbalmer has some patches waiting for sign-off - so I think it will not change the history.txt
09:29 kf but still it's fredericd's patch
09:29 kf and wrong history
09:45 mbalmer a bit much work for two lines of code, don't you think?  but then it's up to you of course.
09:47 kf rm decides really, and if fredericd had a problem with it
09:54 francharb anyone knows what biblioitems.cn_* are meant for?
09:55 francharb are there info that populate automatically those field like items.cn_sort?
09:57 bigbrovar Timezone appropriate greetings guys :)
09:58 kf francharb: yes
09:58 kf francharb: it's a sortable form of the callnumber
09:58 kf francharb: and it's populated according to what you set as classification source and uses the filing rule specified in adminsitration > classiciation source and filing rules
09:59 francharb in biblioitems too?
09:59 kf oh
09:59 kf sorry, misread
09:59 kf not sure the fields there are in use
09:59 kf but it probably once was the same ideaß
09:59 kf ?
09:59 francharb i guess
10:00 francharb thanls kf
10:15 francharb kf, i found that in C4 :
10:15 francharb GetClassSort
10:15 francharb my $cn_sort = GetClassSort($cn_source, $cn_class, $cn_item);
10:15 francharb so i guess
10:15 francharb biblioitems
10:15 francharb cn_sort
10:15 francharb is populated
10:15 francharb the "same" way
10:16 francharb than items.cn_sort
10:16 francharb it's based on info within cn_source, cn_class and cn_item in biblioitems
10:16 francharb my2cts ;)
10:17 kf :)
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11:42 syed hi all,
11:48 syed I have mapped 952$p with unique serial of barcode for circulation (e.g. LIB1000101, LIB1000102, LIB1000102) ... I also have Accession no. (e.g. 254123, 19982, 05241) please guide me what field I'll use for accession no. mapping (as i already have a 952$p for serial barcode)
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12:10 kf hi syed
12:10 kf are you still here?
12:11 syed yes kf:
12:11 kf 952$i
12:11 kf inventory number = accesscion number
12:11 kf I was going to answer you on the mailing list right now
12:11 kf depends on your version, I think it's available since 3.4
12:11 syed so the librarian will use 952$i for internal item search
12:11 kf hm
12:11 syed i have 3.2
12:12 kf ah
12:12 kf 3.2 is more difficult
12:12 syed :(
12:12 kf there is no field dedicated to accession numbers in 3.2
12:12 kf that was intruduced later
12:12 kf you could add 953$i to your framework without a mapping to items - but it will not be searchable
12:13 syed Ooo...
12:13 kf if you want it to be searchable you might have to reuse the internal note or another field that already is searchable or create a search index
12:14 syed Ok....
12:14 syed thanks for your guidance kf:
12:15 syed let me try 1st to find any searchable field in my existing koha version
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12:19 mbalmer already found a few MySQLisms that do not exist in PostgreSQL.  But so far nothing that could not be made to work.
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12:27 jcamins_away paul_p: around?
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12:40 jcamins_away paul_p: never mind, I'll be back later. I just remembered I have fudge to wrap.
12:42 jenkins_koha Starting build 575 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
12:42 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7319 - Improving title and breadcrumbs on acquisitions Z39.50 search pages <[…]cd4a3f209add98556> / Bug 7324: Show alternate email as mailto: / hide labels when field is empty <[…]457f21b8b7ab70134>
12:43 chris_n @later tell AmitG just leave me a message via pm or @later or email
12:43 huginn` chris_n: The operation succeeded.
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12:46 mbalmer make Koha run on PostgreSQL will actually be not that hard, imo.
12:48 mbalmer and it could actually benefit a great deal from pg features.
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12:54 mbalmer_ crap. power outage due to heavy storm...
12:55 kf raining heavily here :(
12:55 kf but no storm so far
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12:59 mbalmer wow, locking on the table level, not seen that for a long time (I wonder what kind of dope the developer smoked ;)
13:01 mbalmer wow, MySQL is such a piece of sh****
13:02 paul_p mbalmer, you should not forget that Koha is 11 years old and some things where written with tools that were also 11 years old (dunno in this case but maybe there was only table locking at this time)
13:02 paul_p what I remember for sure is that we hadn't innoDB as an option, we had to cope with myISAM
13:02 paul_p (which is really poor)
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13:03 mbalmer paul_p, not blaming anyone here, I am just mumbling will going through each and every file...
13:04 mbalmer If I blame anything, then MySQL in general ,)
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13:12 sekjal morning, #koha
13:13 kmkale Namaste sekjal :)
13:14 jcamins_away sekjal: the hard part for user-configurable display is field order.
13:14 jcamins_away Choosing what to display and what not to display is easy.
13:14 sekjal ISBD view seems to handle order just fine
13:14 jcamins_away It could even be customized on a record-by-record level like in Millennium.
13:14 sekjal oh geeze
13:14 jcamins_away sekjal: I meant with XSLT.
13:15 sekjal jcamins_away:  right.
13:15 sekjal it wouldn't just be a matter of "turn this field on"
13:15 sekjal there would need to be the structural component as well
13:15 jcamins_away With XSLT? Sure it would.
13:15 jcamins_away Ah. You mean for ordering. Yes, that's what I was getting at.
13:16 * sekjal has only had the one cup of coffee
13:16 * jcamins_away has untouched coffee. Perhaps he'd better have some.
13:16 sekjal Namaste, kmkale
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13:18 * jcamins_away just wanted to share that thought, and should go get ready and head into the city.
13:19 sekjal I'm taking off in about 15 min for day 3 of training for a new library coop in New Hampshire
13:20 sekjal aside from getting their data out of their legacy systems, biggest issue as this point seems to be how to handle ILL
13:20 sekjal they really want to give each ILL library 3 patron records in their system (one belonging to each library)
13:21 oleonard Hi #koha
13:21 sekjal hi, oleonard
13:25 kmkale sekjal: interesting. Your plan?
13:26 sekjal kmkale:  I really want them to use a single record for each ILL library.  It doesn't make sense to me to have multiple records for the same entity
13:26 kmkale sekjal: and handle everything with circ rules?
13:26 sekjal kmkale:  yes
13:27 kmkale sekjal: so the challlenge is convincing them?
13:27 sekjal they're going to apply as consistent a set of rules across the three libraries as possible
13:27 sekjal yes
13:27 sekjal they're concerned about overdue notices to those ILL libraries
13:27 sekjal they want to be sure the notice is coming from the right branch
13:28 kmkale aah. Can our notices do that?
13:28 sekjal I think so
13:28 sekjal I'm reading the code right now
13:28 sekjal it looks like, if there are branch-specific overdue rules, the system will split overdue notices up between branches
13:28 kmkale so the from address gets inserted from the librarian's email for each branch?
13:28 sekjal so if a patron has overdues at 3 different branches, they'll get three different emails
13:29 paul_p sekjal, I think you're right
13:29 sekjal hi, paul_p!
13:29 paul_p (and, for some libraries, that's the expected behaviour, as they'll remind in the mail their opening hours, for example)
13:29 paul_p good morning sekjal !
13:30 kmkale Namaste paul_p :)
13:30 paul_p bonsoir koustubha
13:30 sekjal while I was mucking about with telephone overdue notices, I wrote a new SQL query that I think may help simplify
13:30 * kmkale wonders how to pronounce that
13:31 sekjal with a single query, I can get all the issue information, as well as the overdue rule to use (factoring in default values, and triggers)
13:32 pastebot "sekjal" at pasted "SQL to get overdue issues that should receive notification today" (12 lines) at
13:34 mbalmer sekjal, can you do that without TO_DAYS?
13:35 sekjal mbalmer:  not sure... perhaps with a date_diff?
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13:35 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7324: Show alternate email as mailto: / hide labels when field is empty
13:35 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7319 - Improving title and breadcrumbs on acquisitions Z39.50 search pages
13:35 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7324 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Show alternate email as mailto link on patron summary
13:35 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7319 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Improve specificity of title and breadcrumbs on acquisitions Z39.50 search pages
13:35 mbalmer it would be nice to find a way that works with other DBs, too.
13:35 mbalmer since I am now working on PostgreSQL support, I oppose by nature to anything that work with MySQL only ;)
13:36 sekjal mbalmer:  good point.  if we can find a univerally-supported (or at least Postgres supported) function to replace TO_DAYS queries, we can apply that throughout the system
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13:37 sekjal TO_DAYS is 6 files currently, mostly as relates to overdues
13:37 mbalmer well, given that MySQL doesn't even check dates…. (you can store completely illegal values)..
13:37 schuster sekjal and all - regarding overdues etc... we have not been printing/emailing them, but do they include fines as well as overdues?
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13:38 kf sekjal: just started reading back - we are thinking about ILL too. My idea was having a separate branch and perhaps have a branchtype - to mark functional branches. I think something like that was existant in early versions of Koha
13:38 mbalmer I am currently going each and every file to find MySQLisms, then I can think about how to make it Pg/MySQL "compliant"
13:38 sekjal mbalmer:  godspeed to you on that!
13:38 sekjal DB_indepedence++
13:38 mbalmer one easy way would be to provde a set of function to provide those MySQL only functions to PostgreSQL.
13:39 sekjal misspelling_words_early_in_the_morning--
13:39 schuster ILL discussion - how is the "Fullfillment" project at Equinox coming along?  I have not looked in on that for awhile.
13:39 sekjal schuster:  haven't heard, myself
13:39 mbalmer sekjal, I will soon open a bug to keep track of the efforts.  Bug title:  "Koha uses MySQL" ;)
13:39 oleonard schuster: I have an offer in to help test the Koha connector and I've gotten an initial response, but nothing further yet
13:40 schuster So can anyone tell me if the "notices" actually looks at account lines to include those into notices?
13:40 * oleonard isn't even sure yet how Fulfillment talks to Koha
13:40 kf schuster: it's possible
13:40 kf for overdue fines
13:40 sekjal kf: I'll let you know what we brainstorm today, and maybe it'll be of use for ILL best practices
13:40 kf not general fines
13:40 schuster oleonard - that is good news kind of...  wonders about poking gmcharlt to see if he can shed any light.
13:40 sekjal or worse practices, if things go poorly
13:41 sekjal anwyay, time to dash
13:41 sekjal cheers, all!
13:41 kf sekjal: talked to chris, he said the group functionality for branches was once used to do that
13:41 kf sekjal: my main concern was hiding my ill library from the opac pull downs
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13:41 schuster A wiki page on ILL probably wouldn't hurt.
13:41 kf sekjal: I am going to load all ill patrons from our union catalog system... and I don't want to blow up patron search for one or more of the circulating branches
13:42 kf schuster: there is one and a new bug
13:42 kf schuster: but about your fine problem :)
13:42 sekjal kf:  ok.  more later, then!
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13:42 kf schuster: you can use a special syntax in your ODUE template
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13:42 schuster kf - ah - I don't do ILL the traditional public library way as we are a school district...
13:42 kf schuster: <item> <fine></fine></item>
13:43 schuster kf - interesting - yes I have seen that, but will it pull if they just have a fine and no overdue too?
13:43 kf no
13:43 schuster drat.
13:43 kf only F and FU fines
13:43 kf which means
13:43 kf book must still be checked out
13:43 kf and has fines related to it
13:44 kf I would like to see a new placeholder for a total value
13:44 schuster oleonard - do you all charge fines?
13:44 kf total fines overdue and fines total
13:44 oleonard schuster: No
13:44 schuster Overdues are the bain of my existence...
13:45 maximep do I really need to run misc/maintenance/ after an update from 3.2 to 3.6 ?
13:45 schuster oleonard - if someone lost a book so you send it to lost, how do you notify them how much they owe? or???
13:46 oleonard We debar patrons who have overdues older than a certain number of days. We send out notices about those overdues (email and postcard)
13:46 oleonard After that we hope that their desire to use the library convinces them they should pay to replace anything they've really lost and can't return
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13:47 schuster At some point I would like to look into a way to generate overdues/fines on the fly for schools based on an sql kind of like using and then a button on the screen that would say generate notice.  We don't have emails for our kids "yet" so we have to do paper and when we see them once a week it is easier to hand it out when they come in.
13:48 schuster It is end of semester so when we come back from school they secondary are going to want to post ID's to students with "concerns" in the library that need to be taken care of.  Currently we run and then a "borrowers who owe money" report and merge them.  I'd like to automate that some.
13:49 schuster back from school/back to school
13:49 schuster surprised actually I have not had calls about generating that report already.
13:51 schuster oleonard - do you dump borrowers inactive ever?
13:52 oleonard We never have
13:52 schuster We are going to drop fines next year so fines won't be as big a deal.  Just notification of Lost charges will become a concern.
13:53 oleonard it's different for a school since your population disappears. We can hold out hope someone will return some day
13:54 schuster Yeah after 2 years of inactivity we are starting to drop them - give them a little amnesty and hope they will come back and use the public library at least!  Often when they move levels I encourage the librarians to clear all records and give the kid a fresh start...  Trying to keep them as library users.
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14:03 kf maximep: yes, if you have data in it you have to
14:04 kf maximep: it's stripping the items out of your marcxml blobs
14:05 magnuse schuster:[…]nter_Library_Loan and
14:05 maximep everything seems to work without it
14:05 oleonard kf: Was it you who was pointing out a useful feature of Template:Toolkit that we weren't taking advantage of?
14:05 kf there is a reason for the script
14:05 * oleonard is trying to remember what it was
14:05 kf paul send a mail to the list, did you mean that?
14:06 magnuse oleonard: there was some talk about caching?
14:06 kf teh one about caching?
14:06 * oleonard doesn't think that was it
14:06 kf I think i showed you the dump thing for debugging
14:06 kf and we talked about filters once
14:06 kf oleonard: I was thinking that it would be nice to rewrite some of the templates...
14:06 kf like members
14:07 kf we do a lot of things with lots of boolean values and it's overcomplicating things and osme things are really bad for translation
14:07 oleonard We do have a lot of extra logic that can be simplified now
14:07 oleonard lots of [ IF ][ IF ][ IF ]...
14:07 kf yes
14:07 kf it's horrible
14:08 magnuse yeah, i think going through the templates and thinking about translations would be really good
14:08 kf sorry, have to eat cake... will be back:)
14:08 * oleonard has started to make minor simplifications where possible
14:08 magnuse oleonard++
14:09 oleonard QA'ers have been very forgiving of my "this bug requires a one-character fix but let me change all this too" patches
14:13 magnuse hehe
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14:20 paul_p oleonard, ;-)
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14:23 maximep broke a production koha by updating from 3.2 to 3.6 last night. fun times :(
14:24 magnuse how did it break?
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14:30 kf maximep: you didn#t run the script?
14:30 maximep forgot 1 step
14:30 maximep cpan Template
14:30 maximep -_-
14:30 maximep always helps
14:30 francharb kf
14:31 maximep works fine without running the script
14:31 francharb do you know when is items.cn_sort used?
14:31 francharb when we have a no zebra install?
14:32 francharb because zebra can manage the call number sorting right?
14:36 kf maximep: I am really worreid that you didn't run it
14:36 kf maximep: you probably still have item information in your marcxml blobs
14:36 kf that's not good
14:36 maximep running it this night. Takes way too much cpu to run it on prod
14:36 oleonard francharb: I see cn_sort used in places like overdues, the shelf browser, the holds queue
14:37 oleonard ...places where we don't use Zebra it looks like.
14:37 kf francharb: no, it's a general thing
14:37 maximep aaaaaaaaaaaah cn_sort. My life would be easier if everyone just used lcc
14:37 kf francharb: the problem is that alphabetic sorting does not work for callnumbers, because they are not made to be sortable by machines...
14:37 francharb maximeop++
14:37 kf francharb: so the sortable form inserts spaces and things to make them sortable correctly
14:38 kf maximep: you don't have tot ell me.... here every library thinks it's funny to invent their own classification source...
14:38 kf / classification
14:39 kf so I end up using 'z' a lot and hoping for the best with generic
14:39 magnuse well, if that isn't funny, i don't know *what* is... ;-)
14:39 kf hpf
14:40 francharb kf, do you work with unimarc or marc21 records?
14:40 francharb kf, what is the difference between Classification sources and classification filing rules?
14:41 francharb it's only classification source
14:41 francharb that library use
14:41 francharb when cataloging
14:41 francharb right?
14:41 francharb filing rules is somethinf for koha
14:42 francharb to know how to normalize call numbre
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14:49 jcamins_away is now known as jcamins
14:50 jcamins Good morning, #koha.
14:50 magnuse hiya jcamins
14:52 kf ah sorry
14:52 kf got distracted
14:52 kf francharb: marc21
14:53 francharb thanks
14:53 kf yes, you link filing rules to the classification sources under adminsitration
14:53 kf so the library selects what kind of classification the callnumber is
14:53 kf and the system generates a sortable form for it in cn_source
14:53 kf using the filing rule
14:54 francharb thanks!
14:56 * jcamins puts a plate of fudge out for #koha.
14:56 kf yum!
14:56 kf jcamins++ :)
14:58 magnuse yay
14:58 oleonard Missing anything?
14:58 oleonard The (none) option is a little awkward but I didn't know how to make it sound better
14:59 kf you could do
15:00 kf show (no/firstname....) of commenter...
15:00 kf no name
15:00 kf perhaps?
15:00 kf not sure if that sounds weird
15:03 oleonard
15:03 kf so not too weird? )
15:03 kf :)
15:03 kf oleonard++ for tackling that
15:03 kf also a lot easier with tt I guess?
15:04 magnuse oleonard++
15:04 wizzyrea oo, oleonard++
15:04 mbalmer this storm is still strong, already two derailed trains...
15:04 kf mbalmer: have not checked the news yet :( it's been raining here all day
15:04 oleonard I'm not sure it makes sense to just show first name or just show last name, but I guess it doesn't hurt to offer the choice
15:04 kf I expect some more flodding
15:04 kf flooding
15:05 kf oleonard: data privacy... we will only be using 'no name' I guess...
15:05 kf pity.
15:06 chris_n heya kf, oleonard, everyone
15:06 magnuse next step (enh) might be to let the patron choose for him/her self?
15:06 oleonard Even username would not be allowed kf?
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15:07 kf oleonard: the system fills that with firstname.surname automatically...
15:08 kf and most other usernames we have make not much sense to show
15:08 mbalmer 175 km/h, not bad...
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15:14 * jcamins wonders idly whether Template::Toolkit has a taint mode that allows one to securely use a template entered by the user.
15:15 wizzyrea jcamins:
15:15 wizzyrea possibly
15:15 wizzyrea there are plugins for it
15:15 wizzyrea proof of concept I guess.
15:17 jcamins Hm, but that still assumes the *template* is safe, doesn't it?
15:19 wizzyrea i'm not sure really
15:19 jcamins Great... my bank appears to have suffered a massive online banking failure.
15:19 wizzyrea o no
15:20 jcamins I can't log in, and when I called customer service, the automated attendant recommended calling back later.
15:20 kf meh
15:20 kf <th title="Framework <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="frameworkcode" --> als Tabelle (.csv, .xml, .ods) oder SQL-Datei (Felder und Unterfelder) importieren">Import</th>
15:20 kf what's wrong here?
15:20 kf :P
15:20 oleonard jcamins: Huge holiday party today at the bank
15:20 jcamins kf: why are you still using H::T::P?
15:20 kf hmpf
15:20 kf I am not
15:20 wizzyrea maybe that's what's wrong.
15:20 kf something in my templates is wrong
15:20 jcamins oleonard: heh.
15:21 kf wizzyrea: rhetoric question
15:21 wizzyrea oh, gotya
15:21 * jcamins crosses his bank off his gift list.
15:21 jcamins No fudge for them.
15:21 kf lol
15:21 kf that's worse then 'no cookie for you'
15:22 kf than even
15:25 magnuse ooh, ELAG in Palma de Mallorca
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15:29 rhcl_away mbalmer: OK, I'm a bit curious. What is <traveling at> 175 km/h?
15:29 rhcl_away is now known as rhcl
15:30 mbalmer the wind in switzerland, storm "Joachim" is hitting us badly
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15:45 rhcl 108MPH? I had no idea Switzerland ever had such wind speeds.
15:48 rhcl I thought you might have meant the trains.
15:49 maximep bug 6943 :(
15:49 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6943 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, pelletiermaxime, ASSIGNED , Create new budget from a copy of a previous budget
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15:52 oleonard With ShowReviewer pref set to "no name"
15:53 wizzyrea still traceable by avatar?
15:53 wizzyrea but you can turn it off so meh.
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15:53 magnuse oleonard++
15:53 oleonard Only because I'm logged in and that's my comment wizzyrea
15:53 wizzyrea I like it
15:53 wizzyrea cool
15:53 magnuse very cool
15:54 jcamins oleonard: great comment!
15:54 wizzyrea hehe
15:55 * magnuse giggled
15:56 magnuse Koha Christmas Party in 1 weeks time?
15:56 oleonard I'm off. Will be back if the library I'm going to hasn't blocked IRC & git ports in the firewall :|
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15:57 wizzyrea yep, that's the idea!
15:57 * wizzyrea is not sure how to coordinate a worldwide party, but I'm sure gonna try.
15:57 magnuse yay
15:59 wizzyrea this will sound crazy - what about something like a digital gift exchange? Where we find digital things (articles, videos, music, games) that we think each other would like, wrap them in tinyurls, and give them as presents?
16:00 wizzyrea (I told you it was crazy)
16:00 magnuse crazy and cool!
16:00 wizzyrea kind of a "I think you would like this" kind of thing
16:01 magnuse person-to-person or "i think y'all would like this"? both, maybe...
16:01 wizzyrea well I was thinking person to person but certainly there are things out there we all like
16:01 magnuse like koha!
16:02 wizzyrea :D
16:02 wizzyrea well that is the gift that just keeps on giving ;)
16:02 magnuse
16:02 wizzyrea hehe!
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16:04 jcamins curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies?
16:04 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7363] Downloading a list in CSV format doesn't work <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7363>
16:04 jcamins wahanui: curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies are at[…]ate-chip-cookies/
16:04 wahanui OK, jcamins.
16:04 * jcamins gives an early gift.
16:04 jcamins :)
16:05 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #576: UNSTABLE in 52 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/576/
16:05 jenkins_koha * semarie-koha: Bug 7282 - invalid language selection
16:05 jenkins_koha * duncan: Bug 5327: Added unit test for C4/SIP/ILS/Transaction/
16:05 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7282 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, semarie-koha, ASSIGNED , invalid language selection
16:05 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
16:05 jenkins_koha Starting build 577 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #575 3 h 23 mn ago)
16:05 kf maximep: why looking so sad?
16:05 kf hard to fix?
16:05 maximep last comment
16:05 jcamins kf: duplicated work.
16:06 magnuse UNSTABLE? run to the hills!
16:06 maximep worked on this in june, coudlnt send it before september
16:06 kf sorry, didn't check the comments
16:06 kf was configuring a new koha installation :)
16:06 maximep and now they duplicated my work :/
16:06 jcamins new_koha_installations++
16:07 * wizzyrea mutters about jenkins
16:07 wizzyrea oh, I bet the test is using a card number that doesn't exist in the sample data
16:08 kf maximep: not your fault, I am not sure the spec or another bug for this exists...
16:08 kf I commented
16:08 * wizzyrea will take a look
16:08 kf communication is always teh problem :(
16:08 jcamins It is. :(
16:09 chris_n unstable? no wonder the bells and whistles were going off on my computer :-)
16:09 * jcamins mutters dire imprecations at authority matching.
16:10 kf jcamins: east some of your fudge?
16:10 jcamins I don't have any with me.
16:12 wizzyrea possibly that unstable is caused by the jenkins db
16:14 wizzyrea i'm about to find out
16:14 wizzyrea yea, it passes with my test DB
16:14 wizzyrea with the sample data
16:14 magnuse yay
16:14 wizzyrea at least SIP_ILS.t passes.
16:14 paul_p wizzyrea, it also passes with my test DB
16:15 paul_p (good morning)
16:15 wizzyrea cool - I bet that jenkins db doesn't have the test patrons
16:15 wizzyrea from the sample data
16:15 paul_p probably. we should ask chris to know why
16:15 wizzyrea *nod*
16:15 paul_p you drop him a mail ?
16:15 wizzyrea yepper
16:20 kf ok, time to leave..
16:21 wizzyrea bye!
16:21 kf hopefully I will not get blown away by the storm
16:21 kf have anice weekend all :)
16:21 wizzyrea that would be bad.
16:21 wizzyrea ttyl :D
16:21 kf optimism! :)
16:21 magnuse see ya kf
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16:23 jcamins @later tell cait Maybe the storm could blow you to the big supermarket where you can find raspberry liqueur then blow you home, so you don't have to walk. :)
16:23 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
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16:27 jcamins wizzyrea: you know that you can mark an attachment obsolete by using git-bz -e right?
16:27 wizzyrea noo, I did not know that
16:27 wizzyrea what's the exact syntax?
16:27 jcamins Yeah, kf showed me.
16:27 jcamins git-bz -e 1633 HEAD
16:27 wizzyrea that is not in the docs
16:27 jcamins It brings up the message for editing.
16:28 jcamins Scroll down to the bottom and you'll see lines you can uncomment for "Obsoletes attachment whatever"
16:28 jcamins You have to be pretty quick, though.
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16:28 wizzyrea so you still have to know what the attachment #is
16:29 jcamins It'll say something like "Attachment #1234 - Only show Images tab when appropriate"
16:29 huginn` Attachment[…]=1234&action=edit patch, bugfix, 0001--bug-3356-fix-search-in-order-receive.patch
16:29 jcamins Whatever the description in Bugzilla is.
16:29 wizzyrea hmm
16:30 wizzyrea 6473 is the test bug, btw bug 6473
16:30 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6473 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, REOPENED , Test bug for Git-bz
16:30 * magnuse didn't know huginn knew about attachments
16:30 * wizzyrea will investigate this
16:30 wizzyrea thanks for pointing that out
16:30 jcamins You're welcome.
16:30 wizzyrea bc I think really the problem is forgetfulness
16:30 jcamins cait++ # for explaining how to do it.
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16:30 wizzyrea and if you can do it through git bz then there's no excuse to forget
16:31 jcamins Right.
16:31 wizzyrea hm
16:31 wizzyrea doing that on mine
16:32 wizzyrea liz@koha-deb:~/kohaclone$ git bz -e 6473
16:32 wizzyrea Usage: git bz [add-url|apply|attach|edit|file|push] [options]
16:32 wizzyrea I also tried it with HEAD at the end
16:32 jcamins git-bz -e attach 1633 HEAD
16:32 jcamins No, attach -e
16:32 jcamins Sorry.
16:32 jcamins I always get a bit confused.
16:33 jcamins git bz edit 6473 may allow you to do it from the commandline, too. Not sure exactly what edit is for.
16:35 wizzyrea ok yea I see it now
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16:40 wizzyrea I still can't get that to work
16:40 * chris_n hands wizzrea a bigger hammer
16:40 * wizzyrea grabs it and it falls down "geeze, that's a big hammer!"
16:42 wizzyrea oh it's just very titchy.
16:43 reiveune bye
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16:43 wizzyrea ok yea - here you can see my machinations
16:43 wizzyrea[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6473
16:43 huginn` Bug 6473: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, REOPENED , Test bug for Git-bz
16:44 * wizzyrea will add that to the git bz wiki, handy
16:44 magnuse wizzyrea++
16:46 wizzyrea oy how can we up that timeout
16:46 wizzyrea that's annoying.
16:46 jcamins wizzyrea: no idea, but probably it would involve editing the code.
16:47 magnuse yeah, that timeout is not good!
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16:49 cait I am home!
16:50 * magnuse wanders off, but might be back later
16:50 magnuse is now known as magnus_afk
16:50 chris_n bring some chocolate back with you magnus_afk
16:51 cait oh yes
16:51 cait chocolate!
16:51 wahanui hmmm... chocolate is finite, we ate it all :)
16:51 cait :)
16:52 * chris_n thinks wahanui must be very ill then
16:52 jcamins chris_n: and I think I'll have to start making fudge all over again!
16:53 cait oh why?
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16:53 jcamins cait: 'cause wahanui ate it all.
16:53 cait h imelia
16:53 cait ah, only the chocolate
16:53 cait not the fudge
16:53 jcamins There's chocolate in the fudge.
16:54 chris_n unless you fudge and uses a substitute ;-)
16:54 chris_n englishism warning
16:54 cait lol
16:54 jcamins lol
16:54 * cait made fudge without chocolate
16:55 jcamins O.O
16:55 jcamins :-O
16:55 cait there are lots of recipes for that?
16:55 chris_n ooo... lunch time
16:55 jcamins 8-O
16:55 cait caramelly fudge
16:55 wizzyrea white chocolate fudge
16:55 wizzyrea well, that's still got chocolate
16:55 * jcamins is scandalized.
16:55 cait I am sorry
16:55 jcamins See?
16:55 * wizzyrea giggles
16:55 jcamins cait: it's okay.
16:55 jcamins We forgive you.
16:55 cait I tried your chocolate fudge recipe but it didn't work for me... so I tried something else
16:55 * cait hides
16:55 jcamins :)
16:55 chris_n did you use a copper bowl?
16:56 cait no
16:56 chris_n and a marble slab
16:56 * chris_n quotes fudge lore
16:56 chris_n ok, lunchtime for real now
16:57 jcamins cait: it can take a few tries to get the fudge down to a science.
16:58 cait so many things to learn
16:58 jcamins cait: I don't use a copper bowl or a marble slab.
16:58 * cait is relieved
16:58 jcamins cait: if I had those I would, though.
16:58 jcamins One day we will put marble countertops in.
16:58 jcamins It will be glorious.
16:58 cait heh
16:59 jcamins And a tandoor.
16:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #577: STILL UNSTABLE in 53 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/577/
16:59 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 7349: corrects sort order for Patron search
16:59 jenkins_koha * duncan: Bug 7361 Fix default option in encoding dropdown
16:59 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7349 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, adrien.saurat, ASSIGNED , Sorting patron search result by cardnumber doesn't work
16:59 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7361 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, duncan, ASSIGNED , 'Default' encoding in staged marc import breaks diacritics
16:59 jcamins It will be doubly glorious.
17:01 maximep yay for 7361
17:01 jcamins duncan++
17:02 cait yep
17:02 cait that was annoying
17:02 jcamins It was.
17:02 jcamins However, I didn't want to just willy nilly change the behavior of the tool because I didn't like that.
17:03 cait jcamins: you already made it a lot better
17:03 cait :)
17:03 jcamins cait: I know. It at least worked sometimes after my fix. ;)
17:03 cait and now it's better again
17:03 cait ... we ar getting there :)
17:03 * jcamins just hopes that this doesn't break anyone's workflow.
17:06 cait hm I don't think so
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17:22 slef what tool?
17:22 slef hi all :)
17:22 wizzyrea hi :)
17:22 jcamins slef: stage MARC records.
17:22 cait slef: staged marc import - default preselected value for encoding
17:24 slef oh I always have to RTFM on that one - doesn't everyone? ;-)
17:24 trea slef: yes
17:24 slef nice mail on debian-project "Must have popped a neuron there. sorry about the noise."
17:24 wizzyrea hehe
17:32 paul_p OK, time to leave ... for one week.
17:32 cait oh
17:32 cait vacation?
17:33 paul_p this week, the patches that have left the signed off status (for pushed or failed QA) has dropped from 107 to ... 41 !!!!
17:33 paul_p cait, yep, vacation !
17:33 cait have a nice vacation :)
17:33 paul_p 82 to sign-off !
17:33 cait so you will work between the holidays?
17:34 paul_p cait, during my vacation I plan to work a little bit on my sandbox database idea.
17:34 paul_p we will implement it not exactly as I'd wished, but that should be something cool anyway
17:34 cait we will wait and see
17:35 cait but don't forget to enjoy your free time
17:35 paul_p reach > choose your patch number > 5mn later, you'll have it, with default database loaded (improvement: choose which database you want)
17:35 paul_p we would have test1, test2, test3, ... up to test10
17:36 cait sound snice
17:36 cait but will probably not work for every patch?
17:36 paul_p the limit of this being you must announce when you take a sandbox, to avoid having it replaced by someone else. but we don't have so many testers
17:36 cait like patches with database updates / command line tools and such
17:36 cait no not really.. yet
17:36 paul_p updatedatabase => will work with the new structure ;-)
17:36 cait hope this will get better
17:37 cait I hope we can get that in soon... it blocks some annoying tihngs
17:37 paul_p cait, bug ian ;-)
17:37 cait and lots of new features will have to be reworked for the update part
17:38 paul_p I also plan to put all console output during the setup of the sandbox in a koha news, so the tester will immediatly see if things went well or no
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17:38 paul_p OK, this time, I really leave !
17:38 wizzyrea paul_p: that sounds awesome :D
17:38 cait sounds like a plan
17:38 cait heh
17:38 wizzyrea bye, have a lovely vacation
17:38 paul_p bye & see you on 26th
17:38 magnus_afk paul_p++
17:38 cait when will yo ube back?
17:38 cait ah
17:38 cait have fun :)
17:39 magnus_afk if biblibre finds a good way to do that others could follow in their tracks...
17:41 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 3431 - Catalog by itemtype report pulling from holdingbranch <[…]593b4c5c1020c69c3> / Bug 2307 - Calendar widget cannot be translated <[…]7032db78defa4377a> / Bug 7226 - can't add tags on list <[…]b/?p=koha.git;a=c
17:42 jenkins_koha Starting build 578 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #575 5 h 0 mn ago)
17:51 rangi right, should be back to stable this time
17:51 jcamins rangi: it's Saturday. Sleep in.
17:51 wizzyrea ^^
17:52 rangi swimming lessons at 9.30
17:52 rangi the kids are all awake already
17:52 wizzyrea oh that's very exciting.
17:52 rangi last one for the year
17:53 rangi kahu thinks there might be a christmas tree in the pool
17:53 rangi i suspect he will be disappointed
17:53 chris_n enjoy your holiday paul_p
17:53 jcamins rangi: that's adorable. Where did he get that idea?
17:54 wizzyrea awww
17:54 wizzyrea you could always plant one at the bottom, an ornament xmas tree that will sink ;)
17:54 chris_n floating presents too?
17:54 wizzyrea or somesuch
17:54 rangi hehe
17:54 wizzyrea "look kahu! a xmas tree in the pool!"
17:54 rangi jcamins: no idea, probably cos they are everywhere
17:55 wizzyrea an*
17:55 wizzyrea meh.
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18:05 melia good morning
18:06 rangi hi melia
18:07 * jcamins contemplates briefly how weird it is that it's morning in both NZ and California, but in California it's today, and in NZ it's tomorrow.
18:07 melia heh. yes, definitely weird.
18:07 wizzyrea i found it extremely odd that I arrived in california only 2 hours after I left NZ
18:08 cait that is extremely odd
18:08 wizzyrea it was... unsettling
18:08 wizzyrea :)
18:08 cait I can understand
18:08 wizzyrea I just spent 13 hours on a plane what do you mean it's only been 2 hours! <freaks out>
18:09 * wizzyrea giggles
18:09 wizzyrea it wasn't that big of a deal really
18:09 rangi ive arrived before i left
18:09 cait ok
18:09 cait that tops extremely odd
18:09 rangi 18 hours behind
18:09 rangi 13 hour flight
18:11 wizzyrea yea, that tops
18:11 wizzyrea that is ludicrously odd.
18:12 rangi laurel missed her birthday once
18:12 rangi coming back
18:12 wizzyrea aww
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18:27 slef help?
18:27 slef mailing lists?
18:27 wahanui mailing lists are at[…]ha-mailing-lists/
18:27 slef wahanui: help is at if no-one here can help.
18:27 slef heh, that failed
18:28 jcamins help?
18:28 wizzyrea forget help
18:28 slef help is at if no-one here can help.
18:28 slef help?
18:28 wahanui help is, like, at if no-one here can help
18:28 slef that worked
18:28 wizzyrea i suspect he had a help is reply in there.
18:29 wizzyrea i suspect he had a help
18:29 wizzyrea ok good :)
18:30 slef help is a command to wahanui
18:30 * rangi goes to deal with the crazies^w children
18:30 cait heh
18:31 rangi cya's
18:31 wizzyrea l8r
18:34 cait bye rangi
18:35 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
18:35 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #578: FIXED in 52 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/578/
18:35 jenkins_koha * srdjan: bug_2830: Remove reserve when checking out if the borrower is not the first one in the reserve queue
18:35 jenkins_koha * sophie.meynieux: Bug 6292 followup
18:35 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6292 : Overdue notices not being generated when borrower had an overdue older than the max value of the notice triggers
18:35 jenkins_koha * sophie.meynieux: Bug 6292 : Followup 2. several letters where generated if a borrower had overdues with different due_date triggering the same level
18:35 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6292 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Overdue notices have a bug when multiple overdues exist
18:35 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6302: Separate AutoEmailPrimaryAdress and AutoEmailOpacUser
18:35 jenkins_koha * 6302 follow up
18:35 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7226 - can't add tags on list
18:35 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6302 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Failing to send email notices - to_address not set
18:35 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 2307 - Calendar widget cannot be translated
18:35 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 3431 - Catalog by itemtype report pulling from holdingbranch
18:35 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7226 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Can't add tags on list
18:35 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2307 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, REOPENED , Calendar widget cannot be translated
18:35 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3431 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Catalog by itemtype report pulling from holdingbranch
18:36 slef bbl
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19:05 rhcl whoami
19:07 maximep uru
19:07 cait uru?
19:07 cait oh
19:08 cait iami?
19:13 maximep u sure r
19:13 maximep "without using XSLT stylesheet" was translated as "using XSLT" in our french translation
19:13 maximep fun.
19:14 jcamins maximep: whoops.
19:14 maximep someone would change it in english
19:14 maximep and the next would change it again in french
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19:16 cait maximep: that kind of problem sounds familiar
19:16 maximep fixed at least 10 of those inverted translations in the fr-CA prefs :/
19:17 cait I feel with you
19:17 * cait shares her cookies
19:17 maximep =)
19:17 jcamins Cookies?
19:17 wahanui Cookies are delicious delicacies
19:17 jcamins Yes they are.
19:18 jcamins wahanui: you're right.
19:18 wahanui jcamins: what?
19:18 jcamins wahanui: true.
19:18 wahanui true. is probably it possible to have automatic recurring invoices for each patron?
19:18 jcamins wahanui: forget true
19:18 wahanui jcamins, I didn't have anything matching true
19:18 maximep i tought delicacies was spelled delicaties :S
19:18 jcamins cait: what kind of cookies?
19:18 maximep wahanui: forget true.
19:18 wahanui maximep, I didn't have anything matching true
19:18 maximep o_O
19:18 cait virtual chocolate chip cookies
19:20 jcamins cait: fresh from the oven? :)
19:20 cait from the virtual oven, yes
19:20 jcamins I've decided to make "hot fudge" as one of my varieties. :)
19:21 jcamins With harissa and/or hot pepper.
19:22 cait you are a crazy fudge maker :)
19:22 jcamins I know. :)
19:26 cait :)
19:27 oleonard Okay, I need help. How to troubleshoot why zebra does not start up automatically?
19:27 * oleonard isn't usually working from this laptop
19:27 cait the zebrasrv thing?
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19:28 jcamins oleonard: the script is either not in /etc/rc.d/ or it isn't executable?
19:28 jcamins oleonard: does it start up when you run manually?
19:29 cait hm actually... minde doesn't start automatically too...
19:29 cait mine...
19:29 * cait goes to check what jcamins suggested
19:29 jcamins /etc/init.d/ not /etc/rc.d/
19:29 cait that woudl have been my next question :)
19:30 oleonard koha-zebra-daemon is in init.d, linked to in my koha bin directory
19:30 jcamins HM.
19:30 jcamins What are the permissions?
19:30 wahanui the permissions are save
19:30 jcamins wahanui: forget permissions
19:30 wahanui jcamins: I forgot permissions
19:31 jcamins wahanui: forget the permissions
19:31 wahanui jcamins, I didn't have anything matching permissions
19:31 cait lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   43 2011-07-16 21:02 koha-zebra-daemon -> /home/katrin/koha-dev/bin/
19:31 jcamins Hm, that's right.
19:31 wahanui I know.
19:32 oleonard cait's matches mine
19:32 cait I always have to poke it when I want to search
19:33 jcamins sudo update-rc.d koha-zebra-daemon defaults
19:34 cait .. already exist
19:34 oleonard ditto
19:34 jcamins Hm.
19:34 jcamins I'm not sure.
19:34 jcamins I remember I had some sort of permission error when I first set up my dev box, but I don't see anything wrong with your permissions.
19:35 jcamins Oh, what are the permissions on ~/koha-dev/bin/ ?
19:35 cait -rwxr-xr-x 1 katrin katrin
19:35 jcamins Okay, that's right.
19:35 wahanui I know.
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19:39 oleonard When I manually run I see "Starting Zebra Server" but it doesn't actually start
19:40 cait I normally do /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon start and that works
19:40 cait but I always have to do i
19:40 cait t
19:40 jcamins oleonard: in that case, I would speculate that you have a problem with permissions in /dev.
19:40 jcamins Do...
19:40 jcamins ls -l /dev/null
19:40 jcamins And: ls -l /dev/tty
19:41 jcamins (and tell me what the permissions are)
19:41 oleonard crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2011-12-16 13:59 /dev/null
19:41 oleonard crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty 5, 0 2011-12-16 14:33 /dev/tty
19:41 jcamins Hm. So much for that idea.
19:42 * jcamins doesn't really have any more.
19:43 maximep is there something in the koha-zebradaemon.err
19:43 maximep or .log
19:44 cait hm
19:44 cait the last line is
19:44 cait 20110717 01:27:08 koha-zebra-ctl.koha: fatal: terminated
19:44 cait very old
19:47 jcamins cait: you have a different problem than oleonard, though, because Zebra starts for you, just not automatically.
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20:06 magnuse hm is the root part of lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   43 2011-07-16 21:02 koha-zebra-daemon -> /home/katrin/koha-dev/bin/ right?
20:06 magnuse shouldn't that be owned by the user who owns the config files etc?
20:07 jcamins magnuse: not sure. I don't have a Koha installation to look at.
20:07 magnuse cait?
20:07 wahanui That's Ms. Cait to you!
20:07 magnuse okay...
20:07 cait heh
20:07 magnuse Ms. Cait?
20:07 wahanui Ms. Cait are you around?
20:07 cait I am here :)
20:08 magnuse do you run /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon with or without sudo?
20:08 cait without
20:09 magnuse try sudo chown cait:cait /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon ?
20:10 mbalmer scripts in init.d should not belong to regular users
20:10 cait hm does not change the file permissions?
20:10 magnuse ah, ok, i might be way off then...
20:11 magnuse yeah, forget it, i checked one of my servers and those scripts are all owned by root - sorry, my bad
20:13 oleonard I can run zebra just fine with sudo -u koha zebrasrv -f /home/oleonard/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml, so zebra *can* work
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20:13 jcamins oleonard: and you changed the user listed in
20:15 oleonard USER=koha
20:15 jcamins And that's the user you're running Koha as?
20:16 * jcamins thought that dev installs used the current user.
20:16 wizzyrea yea, who owns your koha-dev/ directory?
20:16 wizzyrea or whatever you call it
20:16 wizzyrea and who do you log in as?
20:17 wizzyrea normally
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20:18 cait oh
20:18 cait there are user and group listed in that file?
20:18 jcamins cait: yup.
20:18 cait do I have to change those?
20:18 jcamins cait: I think so, anyway.
20:18 cait never saw that mentioned anywhere
20:18 jcamins cait: I think you have to change them to your user.
20:19 jcamins Hmmm... not even after running the installation?
20:19 * jcamins could be mistaken.
20:19 cait I have triedthat
20:19 cait will see if it works with the next restart :)
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20:22 magnuse i thought you had to change that too, but now i see that all my clients have USER=koha in those files...
20:22 * chris_n hopes mbalmer didn't get blown away in that storm :/
20:22 magnuse gah - "Tri-weekly" is that three times a week or every three weeks?
20:22 cait I think every 3
20:23 magnuse yay!!/nengard[…]47765715934527488
20:23 wizzyrea \o/
20:23 magnuse (not for the hurting but for the worst being over, of course)
20:24 magnuse thanks cait
20:24 wizzyrea they have good drugs for hurting ;)
20:24 magnuse yum! ;-)
20:28 oleonard Great, now it says zebrasrv is running but it's not returning any records
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20:29 jcamins oleonard: ownership on the Zebra indexes?
20:35 oleonard Grrr... So what's supposed to owned by the koha user (for zebra) and what's supposed to be owned by me?
20:35 jcamins oleonard: my rule of thumb for dev installs is that everything should be owned by you.
20:35 jcamins And Zebra should be run as your user.
20:36 oleonard Well that would certainly simplify things... if I hadn't followed the directions and set things up for a separate user
20:37 jcamins The directions said to do that for dev installs too?
20:37 jcamins Huh.
20:37 oleonard The INSTALL file doesn't go into detail about dev vs. standard in this regard
20:37 jcamins Ah.
20:38 jcamins My understanding was that with dev installs, the way to have a separate user was to log in as someone else and install koha-dev in their home directory.
20:39 oleonard Is there a point to having a separate user with a dev install?
20:41 jcamins oleonard: no.
20:41 jcamins oleonard: at least, not in my opinion.
20:41 jcamins Well, there's a point if you're using the dev install in production, but you probably shouldn't be logged into your production machine all the time anyway.
20:43 jcamins wizzyrea: having fun obsoleting attachments?
20:43 wizzyrea shh
20:43 cait hm? :)
20:44 wizzyrea there, now we can test it and it won't spam the bugs list.
20:45 wizzyrea i've been working out several things.
20:45 wizzyrea related to git bz
20:45 * wizzyrea hrmphs.
20:45 jcamins Are you going to share your discoveries?
20:46 wizzyrea probably not actually, it's nothing that you guys didn't already know.
20:46 jcamins :( What if I don't already know?
20:46 magnuse is it on the wiki?
20:47 wizzyrea some of it, the rest I haven't quite figured out yet.
20:50 * oleonard has zebra running, will have to wait and see if it starts on restart
20:50 jcamins Yay!
20:50 jcamins oleonard: how did you get it working?
20:52 oleonard I ditched the koha user and gave everything back to myself
20:53 * magnuse pulls his hair out trying to ssh into a new virtualbox instance of debian
20:54 jcamins magnuse: uh-oh.
20:55 magnuse jcamins: yeah... i have got it to work before, but now i can't do it...
20:55 jcamins magnuse: I have three suggestions about the problem: 1) you only have a NAT card set up in the VM, 2) you installed Debian without choosing to install SSH manually, 3) uhhh...
20:55 jcamins I had three suggestions.
20:55 jcamins There are two.
20:56 jcamins I'll get back to you with another if I think of it.
20:56 oleonard EPA?
20:56 jcamins EPA?
20:57 * oleonard apologizes... Rick Perry Republican primary debate joke
20:57 magnuse hm, could be 2, lemme check...
20:58 magnuse nope, was the network settings, but thanks anyway!
21:00 rhcl firewall
21:01 magnuse i was trying to follow this:[…]x-3-linux-guests/
21:01 magnuse but the settings for the network were not working out
21:01 magnuse making it "
21:01 magnuse Adapter 1:Intel PRO/1000 MT Desktop (Bridged adapter, eth0)" did the trick though
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21:02 cait yay
21:03 magnuse ;-)
21:05 * jcamins always puts in two adapters: NAT and Host-only.
21:06 jcamins I've had problems with Bridged adapters.
21:07 trea weird. i've never had a problem with bridged adapters
21:07 trea at least in virtualbox anyways
21:08 magnuse i think for me NAT and host only used to work, but not now...
21:08 magnuse strange
21:08 jcamins magnuse: oh, I know what the problem was.
21:08 jcamins It's the one I always have.
21:08 jcamins That was my suggestion one. Debian only configures one adapter by default.
21:08 magnuse oh
21:09 * jcamins didn't figure that out for a very long time.
21:11 * jcamins keeps on misreading this name as "Arthur Hugh Smith Baffy."
21:16 magnuse so even if i set up a second interface in the virtualbox ui, debian won't notice it?
21:17 jcamins magnuse: not automatically.
21:17 jcamins You have to tell Debian to start paying attention to it.
21:17 magnuse cool that would certainly explain it!
21:18 magnuse and how would you tell debian that?
21:18 jcamins[…]econd-nic-374370/
21:18 jcamins :)
21:18 magnuse ah, thanks a ton!
21:20 * magnuse added that link to his little wiki of "things to remember"
21:34 * chris_n waves by to the #koha peps
21:34 wizzyrea later :)
21:36 magnuse see ya!
21:48 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5503] comments shouldn't show patron's full name <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5503>
21:55 oleonard Ah, there i is
21:55 oleonard Bam.
21:56 jcamins Good night, #koha.
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21:59 cait hhe
21:59 cait heh
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22:10 nengard peek a boo
22:10 wizzyrea yay nengard!
22:10 wizzyrea did they give you good drugs?
22:10 nengard hehe
22:10 nengard yuh huh
22:10 wizzyrea yesss
22:10 nengard took some a short while ago
22:10 nengard so i'm sitting up
22:10 wizzyrea *gentle hugs*
22:10 nengard and saying hi to my friends
22:10 nengard thanks all for the well wishes
22:11 wizzyrea not too many around at the moment - but everybody was glad to see your tweet
22:11 nengard it took me like 10 min to write that
22:12 nengard kept falling asleep :)
22:13 oleonard Hi nengard, glad you're doing okay
22:13 nengard yuppers
22:13 nengard this - for the record - is way worse than a hip replacement
22:13 nengard shocking - but true
22:14 wizzyrea well - they inflate you and muck everything about in there
22:14 wizzyrea it's disruptive!
22:14 wizzyrea you don't realize how nice and settled your organs are until someone goes in there and rearranges them for you.
22:15 wizzyrea my spleen was happy where it was, thank you.
22:16 * nengard giggles carefully
22:16 nengard no LOLing here for a bit :)
22:16 cait hi nengard - glad too, hope you feel better soon
22:16 wizzyrea norway++ for sustainable fish farming
22:16 wizzyrea just because.
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