Time  Nick           Message
22:16 wizzyrea       just because.
22:16 wizzyrea       norway++ for sustainable fish farming
22:16 cait           hi nengard - glad too, hope you feel better soon
22:16 nengard        no LOLing here for a bit :)
22:16 * nengard      giggles carefully
22:15 wizzyrea       my spleen was happy where it was, thank you.
22:14 wizzyrea       you don't realize how nice and settled your organs are until someone goes in there and rearranges them for you.
22:14 wizzyrea       it's disruptive!
22:14 wizzyrea       well - they inflate you and muck everything about in there
22:13 nengard        shocking - but true
22:13 nengard        this - for the record - is way worse than a hip replacement
22:13 nengard        yuppers
22:13 oleonard       Hi nengard, glad you're doing okay
22:12 nengard        kept falling asleep :)
22:11 nengard        it took me like 10 min to write that
22:11 wizzyrea       not too many around at the moment - but everybody was glad to see your tweet
22:10 nengard        thanks all for the well wishes
22:10 nengard        and saying hi to my friends
22:10 wizzyrea       *gentle hugs*
22:10 nengard        so i'm sitting up
22:10 nengard        took some a short while ago
22:10 wizzyrea       yesss
22:10 nengard        yuh huh
22:10 nengard        hehe
22:10 wizzyrea       did they give you good drugs?
22:10 wizzyrea       yay nengard!
22:10 nengard        peek a boo
21:59 cait           heh
21:59 cait           hhe
21:56 jcamins        Good night, #koha.
21:55 oleonard       Bam.
21:55 oleonard       Ah, there i is
21:48 huginn`        New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5503] comments shouldn't show patron's full name <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5503>
21:36 magnuse        see ya!
21:34 wizzyrea       later :)
21:34 * chris_n      waves by to the #koha peps
21:20 * magnuse      added that link to his little wiki of "things to remember"
21:18 magnuse        ah, thanks a ton!
21:18 jcamins        :)
21:18 jcamins        http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/need-help-in-telling-debian-about-second-nic-374370/
21:18 magnuse        and how would you tell debian that?
21:17 magnuse        cool that would certainly explain it!
21:17 jcamins        You have to tell Debian to start paying attention to it.
21:17 jcamins        magnuse: not automatically.
21:16 magnuse        so even if i set up a second interface in the virtualbox ui, debian won't notice it?
21:11 * jcamins      keeps on misreading this name as "Arthur Hugh Smith Baffy."
21:09 * jcamins      didn't figure that out for a very long time.
21:08 magnuse        oh
21:08 jcamins        That was my suggestion one. Debian only configures one adapter by default.
21:08 jcamins        It's the one I always have.
21:08 jcamins        magnuse: oh, I know what the problem was.
21:08 magnuse        strange
21:08 magnuse        i think for me NAT and host only used to work, but not now...
21:07 trea           at least in virtualbox anyways
21:07 trea           weird. i've never had a problem with bridged adapters
21:06 jcamins        I've had problems with Bridged adapters.
21:05 * jcamins      always puts in two adapters: NAT and Host-only.
21:03 magnuse        ;-)
21:02 cait           yay
21:01 magnuse        Adapter 1:Intel PRO/1000 MT Desktop (Bridged adapter, eth0)" did the trick though
21:01 magnuse        making it "
21:01 magnuse        but the settings for the network were not working out
21:01 magnuse        i was trying to follow this: http://muffinresearch.co.uk/archives/2010/02/08/howto-ssh-into-virtualbox-3-linux-guests/
21:00 rhcl           firewall
20:58 magnuse        nope, was the network settings, but thanks anyway!
20:57 magnuse        hm, could be 2, lemme check...
20:57 * oleonard     apologizes... Rick Perry Republican primary debate joke
20:56 jcamins        EPA?
20:56 oleonard       EPA?
20:56 jcamins        I'll get back to you with another if I think of it.
20:55 jcamins        There are two.
20:55 jcamins        I had three suggestions.
20:55 jcamins        magnuse: I have three suggestions about the problem: 1) you only have a NAT card set up in the VM, 2) you installed Debian without choosing to install SSH manually, 3) uhhh...
20:55 magnuse        jcamins: yeah... i have got it to work before, but now i can't do it...
20:54 jcamins        magnuse: uh-oh.
20:53 * magnuse      pulls his hair out trying to ssh into a new virtualbox instance of debian
20:52 oleonard       I ditched the koha user and gave everything back to myself
20:50 jcamins        oleonard: how did you get it working?
20:50 jcamins        Yay!
20:50 * oleonard     has zebra running, will have to wait and see if it starts on restart
20:47 wizzyrea       some of it, the rest I haven't quite figured out yet.
20:46 magnuse        is it on the wiki?
20:46 jcamins        :( What if I don't already know?
20:46 wizzyrea       probably not actually, it's nothing that you guys didn't already know.
20:45 jcamins        Are you going to share your discoveries?
20:45 * wizzyrea     hrmphs.
20:45 wizzyrea       related to git bz
20:45 wizzyrea       i've been working out several things.
20:44 wizzyrea       there, now we can test it and it won't spam the bugs list.
20:43 cait           hm? :)
20:43 wizzyrea       shh
20:43 jcamins        wizzyrea: having fun obsoleting attachments?
20:41 jcamins        Well, there's a point if you're using the dev install in production, but you probably shouldn't be logged into your production machine all the time anyway.
20:41 jcamins        oleonard: at least, not in my opinion.
20:41 jcamins        oleonard: no.
20:39 oleonard       Is there a point to having a separate user with a dev install?
20:38 jcamins        My understanding was that with dev installs, the way to have a separate user was to log in as someone else and install koha-dev in their home directory.
20:37 jcamins        Ah.
20:37 oleonard       The INSTALL file doesn't go into detail about dev vs. standard in this regard
20:37 jcamins        Huh.
20:37 jcamins        The directions said to do that for dev installs too?
20:36 oleonard       Well that would certainly simplify things... if I hadn't followed the directions and set things up for a separate user
20:35 jcamins        And Zebra should be run as your user.
20:35 jcamins        oleonard: my rule of thumb for dev installs is that everything should be owned by you.
20:35 oleonard       Grrr... So what's supposed to owned by the koha user (for zebra) and what's supposed to be owned by me?
20:29 jcamins        oleonard: ownership on the Zebra indexes?
20:28 oleonard       Great, now it says zebrasrv is running but it's not returning any records
20:24 magnuse        yum! ;-)
20:24 wizzyrea       they have good drugs for hurting ;)
20:24 magnuse        thanks cait
20:23 magnuse        (not for the hurting but for the worst being over, of course)
20:23 wizzyrea       \o/
20:23 magnuse        yay! https://twitter.com/#!/nengard/statuses/147765715934527488
20:22 cait           I think every 3
20:22 magnuse        gah - "Tri-weekly" is that three times a week or every three weeks?
20:22 * chris_n      hopes mbalmer didn't get blown away in that storm :/
20:22 magnuse        i thought you had to change that too, but now i see that all my clients have USER=koha in those files...
20:19 cait           will see if it works with the next restart :)
20:19 cait           I have triedthat
20:19 * jcamins      could be mistaken.
20:19 jcamins        Hmmm... not even after running the installation?
20:18 jcamins        cait: I think you have to change them to your user.
20:18 cait           never saw that mentioned anywhere
20:18 jcamins        cait: I think so, anyway.
20:18 cait           do I have to change those?
20:18 jcamins        cait: yup.
20:18 cait           there are user and group listed in that file?
20:18 cait           oh
20:17 wizzyrea       normally
20:16 wizzyrea       and who do you log in as?
20:16 wizzyrea       or whatever you call it
20:16 wizzyrea       yea, who owns your koha-dev/ directory?
20:16 * jcamins      thought that dev installs used the current user.
20:15 jcamins        And that's the user you're running Koha as?
20:15 oleonard       USER=koha
20:13 jcamins        oleonard: and you changed the user listed in koha-zebra-ctl.sh?
20:13 oleonard       I can run zebra just fine with sudo -u koha zebrasrv -f /home/oleonard/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml, so zebra *can* work
20:11 magnuse        yeah, forget it, i checked one of my servers and those scripts are all owned by root - sorry, my bad
20:10 magnuse        ah, ok, i might be way off then...
20:10 cait           hm does not change the file permissions?
20:10 mbalmer        scripts in init.d should not belong to regular users
20:09 magnuse        try sudo chown cait:cait /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon ?
20:08 cait           without
20:08 magnuse        do you run /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon with or without sudo?
20:07 cait           I am here :)
20:07 wahanui        Ms. Cait are you around?
20:07 magnuse        Ms. Cait?
20:07 cait           heh
20:07 magnuse        okay...
20:07 wahanui        That's Ms. Cait to you!
20:07 magnuse        cait?
20:07 jcamins        magnuse: not sure. I don't have a Koha installation to look at.
20:06 magnuse        shouldn't that be owned by the user who owns the config files etc?
20:06 magnuse        hm is the root part of lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   43 2011-07-16 21:02 koha-zebra-daemon -> /home/katrin/koha-dev/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh right?
19:47 jcamins        cait: you have a different problem than oleonard, though, because Zebra starts for you, just not automatically.
19:44 cait           very old
19:44 cait           20110717 01:27:08 koha-zebra-ctl.koha: fatal: terminated
19:44 cait           the last line is
19:44 cait           hm
19:43 maximep        or .log
19:43 maximep        is there something in the koha-zebradaemon.err
19:42 * jcamins      doesn't really have any more.
19:41 jcamins        Hm. So much for that idea.
19:41 oleonard       crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty 5, 0 2011-12-16 14:33 /dev/tty
19:41 oleonard       crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2011-12-16 13:59 /dev/null
19:41 jcamins        (and tell me what the permissions are)
19:40 jcamins        And: ls -l /dev/tty
19:40 jcamins        ls -l /dev/null
19:40 jcamins        Do...
19:40 jcamins        oleonard: in that case, I would speculate that you have a problem with permissions in /dev.
19:40 cait           t
19:40 cait           but I always have to do i
19:40 cait           I normally do /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon start and that works
19:39 oleonard       When I manually run koha-zebra-ctl.sh I see "Starting Zebra Server" but it doesn't actually start
19:35 wahanui        I know.
19:35 jcamins        Okay, that's right.
19:35 cait           -rwxr-xr-x 1 katrin katrin
19:35 jcamins        Oh, what are the permissions on ~/koha-dev/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh ?
19:34 jcamins        I remember I had some sort of permission error when I first set up my dev box, but I don't see anything wrong with your permissions.
19:34 jcamins        I'm not sure.
19:34 jcamins        Hm.
19:34 oleonard       ditto
19:34 cait           .. already exist
19:33 jcamins        sudo update-rc.d koha-zebra-daemon defaults
19:32 cait           I always have to poke it when I want to search
19:32 oleonard       cait's matches mine
19:31 wahanui        I know.
19:31 jcamins        Hm, that's right.
19:31 cait           lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   43 2011-07-16 21:02 koha-zebra-daemon -> /home/katrin/koha-dev/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh
19:31 wahanui        jcamins, I didn't have anything matching permissions
19:31 jcamins        wahanui: forget the permissions
19:30 wahanui        jcamins: I forgot permissions
19:30 jcamins        wahanui: forget permissions
19:30 wahanui        the permissions are save
19:30 jcamins        What are the permissions?
19:30 jcamins        HM.
19:30 oleonard       koha-zebra-daemon is in init.d, linked to koha-zebra-ctl.sh in my koha bin directory
19:29 cait           that woudl have been my next question :)
19:29 jcamins        /etc/init.d/ not /etc/rc.d/
19:29 * cait         goes to check what jcamins suggested
19:29 cait           mine...
19:29 cait           hm actually... minde doesn't start automatically too...
19:28 jcamins        oleonard: does it start up when you run koha-zebra-ctl.sh manually?
19:28 jcamins        oleonard: the script is either not in /etc/rc.d/ or it isn't executable?
19:27 cait           the zebrasrv thing?
19:27 * oleonard     isn't usually working from this laptop
19:27 oleonard       Okay, I need help. How to troubleshoot why zebra does not start up automatically?
19:26 cait           :)
19:22 jcamins        I know. :)
19:22 cait           you are a crazy fudge maker :)
19:21 jcamins        With harissa and/or hot pepper.
19:20 jcamins        I've decided to make "hot fudge" as one of my varieties. :)
19:20 cait           from the virtual oven, yes
19:20 jcamins        cait: fresh from the oven? :)
19:18 cait           virtual chocolate chip cookies
19:18 maximep        o_O
19:18 wahanui        maximep, I didn't have anything matching true
19:18 maximep        wahanui: forget true.
19:18 jcamins        cait: what kind of cookies?
19:18 maximep        i tought delicacies was spelled delicaties :S
19:18 wahanui        jcamins, I didn't have anything matching true
19:18 jcamins        wahanui: forget true
19:18 wahanui        true. is probably it possible to have automatic recurring invoices for each patron?
19:18 jcamins        wahanui: true.
19:18 wahanui        jcamins: what?
19:18 jcamins        wahanui: you're right.
19:17 jcamins        Yes they are.
19:17 wahanui        Cookies are delicious delicacies
19:17 jcamins        Cookies?
19:17 maximep        =)
19:17 * cait         shares her cookies
19:17 cait           I feel with you
19:16 maximep        fixed at least 10 of those inverted translations in the fr-CA prefs :/
19:16 cait           maximep: that kind of problem sounds familiar
19:14 maximep        and the next would change it again in french
19:14 maximep        someone would change it in english
19:14 jcamins        maximep: whoops.
19:13 maximep        fun.
19:13 maximep        "without using XSLT stylesheet" was translated as "using XSLT" in our french translation
19:13 maximep        u sure r
19:08 cait           iami?
19:07 cait           oh
19:07 cait           uru?
19:07 maximep        uru
19:05 rhcl           whoami
18:36 slef           bbl
18:35 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3431 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Catalog by itemtype report pulling from holdingbranch
18:35 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2307 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, REOPENED , Calendar widget cannot be translated
18:35 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7226 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Can't add tags on list
18:35 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Fix for Bug 3431 - Catalog by itemtype report pulling from holdingbranch
18:35 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Bug 2307 - Calendar widget cannot be translated
18:35 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6302 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Failing to send email notices - to_address not set
18:35 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Bug 7226 - can't add tags on list
18:35 jenkins_koha   * m.de.rooy: 6302 follow up
18:35 jenkins_koha   * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6302: Separate AutoEmailPrimaryAdress and AutoEmailOpacUser
18:35 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6292 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Overdue notices have a bug when multiple overdues exist
18:35 jenkins_koha   * sophie.meynieux: Bug 6292 : Followup 2. several letters where generated if a borrower had overdues with different due_date triggering the same level
18:35 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 6292 : Overdue notices not being generated when borrower had an overdue older than the max value of the notice triggers
18:35 jenkins_koha   * sophie.meynieux: Bug 6292 followup
18:35 jenkins_koha   * srdjan: bug_2830: Remove reserve when checking out if the borrower is not the first one in the reserve queue
18:35 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #578: FIXED in 52 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/578/
18:35 jenkins_koha   Yippie, build fixed!
18:34 cait           bye rangi
18:31 wizzyrea       l8r
18:31 rangi          cya's
18:30 cait           heh
18:30 * rangi        goes to deal with the crazies^w children
18:30 slef           help is a command to wahanui
18:29 wizzyrea       ok good :)
18:29 wizzyrea       i suspect he had a help
18:28 wizzyrea       i suspect he had a help is reply in there.
18:28 slef           that worked
18:28 wahanui        help is, like, at http://koha-community.org/support/ if no-one here can help
18:28 slef           help?
18:28 slef           help is at http://koha-community.org/support/ if no-one here can help.
18:28 wizzyrea       forget help
18:28 jcamins        help?
18:27 slef           heh, that failed
18:27 slef           wahanui: help is at http://koha-community.org/support/ if no-one here can help.
18:27 wahanui        mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
18:27 slef           mailing lists?
18:27 slef           help?
18:12 wizzyrea       aww
18:12 rangi          coming back
18:12 rangi          laurel missed her birthday once
18:11 wizzyrea       that is ludicrously odd.
18:11 wizzyrea       yea, that tops
18:09 rangi          13 hour flight
18:09 rangi          18 hours behind
18:09 cait           that tops extremely odd
18:09 cait           ok
18:09 rangi          ive arrived before i left
18:09 wizzyrea       it wasn't that big of a deal really
18:09 * wizzyrea     giggles
18:08 wizzyrea       I just spent 13 hours on a plane what do you mean it's only been 2 hours! <freaks out>
18:08 cait           I can understand
18:08 wizzyrea       :)
18:08 wizzyrea       it was... unsettling
18:08 cait           that is extremely odd
18:07 wizzyrea       i found it extremely odd that I arrived in california only 2 hours after I left NZ
18:07 melia          heh. yes, definitely weird.
18:07 * jcamins      contemplates briefly how weird it is that it's morning in both NZ and California, but in California it's today, and in NZ it's tomorrow.
18:06 rangi          hi melia
18:05 melia          good morning
17:55 wizzyrea       meh.
17:55 wizzyrea       an*
17:54 rangi          jcamins: no idea, probably cos they are everywhere
17:54 wizzyrea       "look kahu! a xmas tree in the pool!"
17:54 rangi          hehe
17:54 wizzyrea       or somesuch
17:54 chris_n        floating presents too?
17:54 wizzyrea       you could always plant one at the bottom, an ornament xmas tree that will sink ;)
17:54 wizzyrea       awww
17:53 jcamins        rangi: that's adorable. Where did he get that idea?
17:53 chris_n        enjoy your holiday paul_p
17:53 rangi          i suspect he will be disappointed
17:53 rangi          kahu thinks there might be a christmas tree in the pool
17:52 rangi          last one for the year
17:52 wizzyrea       oh that's very exciting.
17:52 rangi          the kids are all awake already
17:52 rangi          swimming lessons at 9.30
17:51 wizzyrea       ^^
17:51 jcamins        rangi: it's Saturday. Sleep in.
17:51 rangi          right, should be back to stable this time
17:42 jenkins_koha   Starting build 578 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #575 5 h 0 mn ago)
17:41 huginn`        New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 3431 - Catalog by itemtype report pulling from holdingbranch <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=396efb90c73099e1f87a5a4593b4c5c1020c69c3> / Bug 2307 - Calendar widget cannot be translated <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=873ac768b0d557315e3e6067032db78defa4377a> / Bug 7226 - can't add tags on list <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=c
17:39 magnus_afk     if biblibre finds a good way to do that others could follow in their tracks...
17:38 cait           have fun :)
17:38 cait           ah
17:38 cait           when will yo ube back?
17:38 magnus_afk     paul_p++
17:38 paul_p         bye & see you on 26th
17:38 wizzyrea       bye, have a lovely vacation
17:38 cait           heh
17:38 cait           sounds like a plan
17:38 wizzyrea       paul_p: that sounds awesome :D
17:38 paul_p         OK, this time, I really leave !
17:38 paul_p         I also plan to put all console output during the setup of the sandbox in a koha news, so the tester will immediatly see if things went well or no
17:37 cait           and lots of new features will have to be reworked for the update part
17:37 paul_p         cait, bug ian ;-)
17:37 cait           I hope we can get that in soon... it blocks some annoying tihngs
17:36 cait           hope this will get better
17:36 paul_p         updatedatabase => will work with the new structure ;-)
17:36 cait           no not really.. yet
17:36 cait           like patches with database updates / command line tools and such
17:36 paul_p         the limit of this being you must announce when you take a sandbox, to avoid having it replaced by someone else. but we don't have so many testers
17:36 cait           but will probably not work for every patch?
17:36 cait           sound snice
17:35 paul_p         we would have test1, test2, test3, ... up to test10
17:35 paul_p         reach test1.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/signoff.pl > choose your patch number > 5mn later, you'll have it, with default database loaded (improvement: choose which database you want)
17:35 cait           but don't forget to enjoy your free time
17:34 cait           we will wait and see
17:34 paul_p         we will implement it not exactly as I'd wished, but that should be something cool anyway
17:34 paul_p         cait, during my vacation I plan to work a little bit on my sandbox database idea.
17:33 cait           so you will work between the holidays?
17:33 paul_p         82 to sign-off !
17:33 cait           have a nice vacation :)
17:33 paul_p         cait, yep, vacation !
17:33 paul_p         this week, the patches that have left the signed off status (for pushed or failed QA) has dropped from 107 to ... 41 !!!!
17:32 cait           vacation?
17:32 cait           oh
17:32 paul_p         OK, time to leave ... for one week.
17:24 wizzyrea       hehe
17:24 slef           nice mail on debian-project "Must have popped a neuron there. sorry about the noise."
17:24 trea           slef: yes
17:24 slef           oh I always have to RTFM on that one - doesn't everyone? ;-)
17:22 cait           slef: staged marc import - default preselected value for encoding
17:22 jcamins        slef: stage MARC records.
17:22 wizzyrea       hi :)
17:22 slef           hi all :)
17:22 slef           what tool?
17:06 cait           hm I don't think so
17:03 * jcamins      just hopes that this doesn't break anyone's workflow.
17:03 cait           ... we ar getting there :)
17:03 cait           and now it's better again
17:03 jcamins        cait: I know. It at least worked sometimes after my fix. ;)
17:03 cait           :)
17:03 cait           jcamins: you already made it a lot better
17:02 jcamins        However, I didn't want to just willy nilly change the behavior of the tool because I didn't like that.
17:02 jcamins        It was.
17:02 cait           that was annoying
17:02 cait           yep
17:01 jcamins        duncan++
17:01 maximep        yay for 7361
16:59 jcamins        It will be doubly glorious.
16:59 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7361 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, duncan, ASSIGNED , 'Default' encoding in staged marc import breaks diacritics
16:59 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7349 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, adrien.saurat, ASSIGNED , Sorting patron search result by cardnumber doesn't work
16:59 jenkins_koha   * duncan: Bug 7361 Fix default option in encoding dropdown
16:59 jenkins_koha   * adrien.saurat: Bug 7349: corrects sort order for Patron search
16:59 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #577: STILL UNSTABLE in 53 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/577/
16:59 jcamins        And a tandoor.
16:58 cait           heh
16:58 jcamins        It will be glorious.
16:58 jcamins        One day we will put marble countertops in.
16:58 jcamins        cait: if I had those I would, though.
16:58 * cait         is relieved
16:58 jcamins        cait: I don't use a copper bowl or a marble slab.
16:58 cait           so many things to learn
16:57 jcamins        cait: it can take a few tries to get the fudge down to a science.
16:56 chris_n        ok, lunchtime for real now
16:56 * chris_n      quotes fudge lore
16:56 chris_n        and a marble slab
16:56 cait           no
16:55 chris_n        did you use a copper bowl?
16:55 jcamins        :)
16:55 * cait         hides
16:55 cait           I tried your chocolate fudge recipe but it didn't work for me... so I tried something else
16:55 jcamins        We forgive you.
16:55 jcamins        cait: it's okay.
16:55 * wizzyrea     giggles
16:55 jcamins        See?
16:55 cait           I am sorry
16:55 * jcamins      is scandalized.
16:55 wizzyrea       well, that's still got chocolate
16:55 wizzyrea       white chocolate fudge
16:55 cait           caramelly fudge
16:55 jcamins        8-O
16:55 chris_n        ooo... lunch time
16:55 cait           there are lots of recipes for that?
16:55 jcamins        :-O
16:55 jcamins        O.O
16:54 * cait         made fudge without chocolate
16:54 jcamins        lol
16:54 cait           lol
16:54 chris_n        englishism warning
16:54 chris_n        unless you fudge and uses a substitute ;-)
16:53 jcamins        There's chocolate in the fudge.
16:53 cait           not the fudge
16:53 cait           ah, only the chocolate
16:53 cait           h imelia
16:53 jcamins        cait: 'cause wahanui ate it all.
16:53 cait           oh why?
16:52 jcamins        chris_n: and I think I'll have to start making fudge all over again!
16:52 * chris_n      thinks wahanui must be very ill then
16:51 cait           :)
16:51 wahanui        hmmm... chocolate is finite, we ate it all :)
16:51 cait           chocolate!
16:51 cait           oh yes
16:50 chris_n        bring some chocolate back with you magnus_afk
16:50 * magnuse      wanders off, but might be back later
16:49 cait           I am home!
16:47 magnuse        yeah, that timeout is not good!
16:46 jcamins        wizzyrea: no idea, but probably it would involve editing the code.
16:46 wizzyrea       that's annoying.
16:46 wizzyrea       oy how can we up that timeout
16:44 magnuse        wizzyrea++
16:44 * wizzyrea     will add that to the git bz wiki, handy
16:43 huginn`        04Bug 6473: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, REOPENED , Test bug for Git-bz
16:43 wizzyrea       http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6473
16:43 wizzyrea       ok yea - here you can see my machinations
16:43 reiveune       bye
16:42 wizzyrea       oh it's just very titchy.
16:40 * wizzyrea     grabs it and it falls down "geeze, that's a big hammer!"
16:40 * chris_n      hands wizzrea a bigger hammer
16:40 wizzyrea       I still can't get that to work
16:35 wizzyrea       ok yea I see it now
16:33 jcamins        git bz edit 6473 may allow you to do it from the commandline, too. Not sure exactly what edit is for.
16:32 jcamins        I always get a bit confused.
16:32 jcamins        Sorry.
16:32 jcamins        No, attach -e
16:32 jcamins        git-bz -e attach 1633 HEAD
16:32 wizzyrea       I also tried it with HEAD at the end
16:32 wizzyrea       Usage: git bz [add-url|apply|attach|edit|file|push] [options]
16:32 wizzyrea       liz@koha-deb:~/kohaclone$ git bz -e 6473
16:31 wizzyrea       doing that on mine
16:31 wizzyrea       hm
16:31 jcamins        Right.
16:30 wizzyrea       and if you can do it through git bz then there's no excuse to forget
16:30 jcamins        cait++ # for explaining how to do it.
16:30 wizzyrea       bc I think really the problem is forgetfulness
16:30 jcamins        You're welcome.
16:30 wizzyrea       thanks for pointing that out
16:30 * wizzyrea     will investigate this
16:30 * magnuse      didn't know huginn knew about attachments
16:30 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6473 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, REOPENED , Test bug for Git-bz
16:30 wizzyrea       6473 is the test bug, btw bug 6473
16:29 wizzyrea       hmm
16:29 jcamins        Whatever the description in Bugzilla is.
16:29 huginn`        03Attachment http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=1234&action=edit patch, bugfix, 0001--bug-3356-fix-search-in-order-receive.patch
16:29 jcamins        It'll say something like "Attachment #1234 - Only show Images tab when appropriate"
16:28 wizzyrea       so you still have to know what the attachment #is
16:28 jcamins        You have to be pretty quick, though.
16:28 jcamins        Scroll down to the bottom and you'll see lines you can uncomment for "Obsoletes attachment whatever"
16:27 jcamins        It brings up the message for editing.
16:27 wizzyrea       that is not in the docs
16:27 jcamins        git-bz -e 1633 HEAD
16:27 jcamins        Yeah, kf showed me.
16:27 wizzyrea       what's the exact syntax?
16:27 wizzyrea       noo, I did not know that
16:27 jcamins        wizzyrea: you know that you can mark an attachment obsolete by using git-bz -e right?
16:23 huginn`        jcamins: The operation succeeded.
16:23 jcamins        @later tell cait Maybe the storm could blow you to the big supermarket where you can find raspberry liqueur then blow you home, so you don't have to walk. :)
16:21 magnuse        see ya kf
16:21 kf             optimism! :)
16:21 wizzyrea       ttyl :D
16:21 wizzyrea       that would be bad.
16:21 kf             have anice weekend all :)
16:21 kf             hopefully I will not get blown away by the storm
16:21 wizzyrea       bye!
16:20 kf             ok, time to leave..
16:15 wizzyrea       yepper
16:15 paul_p         you drop him a mail ?
16:15 wizzyrea       *nod*
16:15 paul_p         probably. we should ask chris to know why
16:15 wizzyrea       from the sample data
16:15 wizzyrea       cool - I bet that jenkins db doesn't have the test patrons
16:15 paul_p         (good morning)
16:14 paul_p         wizzyrea, it also passes with my test DB
16:14 wizzyrea       at least SIP_ILS.t passes.
16:14 magnuse        yay
16:14 wizzyrea       with the sample data
16:14 wizzyrea       yea, it passes with my test DB
16:14 wizzyrea       i'm about to find out
16:12 wizzyrea       possibly that unstable is caused by the jenkins db
16:10 jcamins        I don't have any with me.
16:10 kf             jcamins: east some of your fudge?
16:09 * jcamins      mutters dire imprecations at authority matching.
16:09 chris_n        unstable? no wonder the bells and whistles were going off on my computer :-)
16:08 jcamins        It is. :(
16:08 kf             communication is always teh problem :(
16:08 * wizzyrea     will take a look
16:08 kf             I commented
16:08 kf             maximep: not your fault, I am not sure the spec or another bug for this exists...
16:07 wizzyrea       oh, I bet the test is using a card number that doesn't exist in the sample data
16:07 * wizzyrea     mutters about jenkins
16:06 jcamins        new_koha_installations++
16:06 maximep        and now they duplicated my work :/
16:06 kf             was configuring a new koha installation :)
16:06 kf             sorry, didn't check the comments
16:06 maximep        worked on this in june, coudlnt send it before september
16:06 magnuse        UNSTABLE? run to the hills!
16:05 jcamins        kf: duplicated work.
16:05 maximep        last comment
16:05 kf             hard to fix?
16:05 kf             maximep: why looking so sad?
16:05 jenkins_koha   Starting build 577 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #575 3 h 23 mn ago)
16:05 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
16:05 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7282 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, semarie-koha, ASSIGNED , invalid language selection
16:05 jenkins_koha   * duncan: Bug 5327: Added unit test for C4/SIP/ILS/Transaction/RenewAll.pm
16:05 jenkins_koha   * semarie-koha: Bug 7282 - invalid language selection
16:05 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #576: UNSTABLE in 52 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/576/
16:04 jcamins        :)
16:04 * jcamins      gives an early gift.
16:04 wahanui        OK, jcamins.
16:04 jcamins        wahanui: curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies are at http://www.cookiemadness.net/2009/05/curry-coconut-oatmeal-chocolate-chip-cookies/
16:04 huginn`        New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7363] Downloading a list in CSV format doesn't work <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7363>
16:04 jcamins        curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies?
16:02 wizzyrea       hehe!
16:02 magnuse        http://tinyurl.com/y879ptq
16:02 wizzyrea       well that is the gift that just keeps on giving ;)
16:02 wizzyrea       :D
16:01 magnuse        like koha!
16:01 wizzyrea       well I was thinking person to person but certainly there are things out there we all like
16:01 magnuse        person-to-person or "i think y'all would like this"? both, maybe...
16:00 wizzyrea       kind of a "I think you would like this" kind of thing
16:00 magnuse        crazy and cool!
16:00 wizzyrea       (I told you it was crazy)
15:59 wizzyrea       this will sound crazy - what about something like a digital gift exchange? Where we find digital things (articles, videos, music, games) that we think each other would like, wrap them in tinyurls, and give them as presents?
15:57 magnuse        yay
15:57 * wizzyrea     is not sure how to coordinate a worldwide party, but I'm sure gonna try.
15:57 wizzyrea       yep, that's the idea!
15:56 oleonard       I'm off. Will be back if the library I'm going to hasn't blocked IRC & git ports in the firewall :|
15:56 magnuse        Koha Christmas Party in 1 weeks time?
15:55 * magnuse      giggled
15:54 wizzyrea       hehe
15:54 jcamins        oleonard: great comment!
15:53 magnuse        very cool
15:53 wizzyrea       cool
15:53 wizzyrea       I like it
15:53 oleonard       Only because I'm logged in and that's my comment wizzyrea
15:53 magnuse        oleonard++
15:53 wizzyrea       but you can turn it off so meh.
15:53 wizzyrea       still traceable by avatar?
15:52 oleonard       With ShowReviewer pref set to "no name" http://screencast.com/t/ymbdSfzt
15:49 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6943 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, pelletiermaxime, ASSIGNED , Create new budget from a copy of a previous budget
15:49 maximep        bug 6943 :(
15:48 rhcl           I thought you might have meant the trains.
15:45 rhcl           108MPH? I had no idea Switzerland ever had such wind speeds.
15:30 mbalmer        the wind in switzerland, storm "Joachim" is hitting us badly
15:29 rhcl_away      mbalmer: OK, I'm a bit curious. What is <traveling at> 175 km/h?
15:27 huginn`        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7361 Fix default option in encoding dropdown <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=86d6e6d3de0a8d935802abe843f7ec407af1c759> / Bug 7349: corrects sort order for Patron search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1de55f6f088f174431896d33fbe6d94152921758>
15:25 magnuse        ooh, ELAG in Palma de Mallorca http://www.elag.org/
15:22 kf             than even
15:21 kf             that's worse then 'no cookie for you'
15:21 kf             lol
15:21 jcamins        No fudge for them.
15:21 * jcamins      crosses his bank off his gift list.
15:21 wizzyrea       oh, gotya
15:21 kf             wizzyrea: rhetoric question
15:20 jcamins        oleonard: heh.
15:20 kf             something in my templates is wrong
15:20 wizzyrea       maybe that's what's wrong.
15:20 kf             I am not
15:20 kf             hmpf
15:20 jcamins        kf: why are you still using H::T::P?
15:20 oleonard       jcamins: Huge holiday party today at the bank
15:20 kf             :P
15:20 kf             what's wrong here?
15:20 kf             <th title="Framework <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="frameworkcode" --> als Tabelle (.csv, .xml, .ods) oder SQL-Datei (Felder und Unterfelder) importieren">Import</th>
15:20 kf             meh
15:20 jcamins        I can't log in, and when I called customer service, the automated attendant recommended calling back later.
15:19 wizzyrea       o no
15:19 jcamins        Great... my bank appears to have suffered a massive online banking failure.
15:19 wizzyrea       i'm not sure really
15:17 jcamins        Hm, but that still assumes the *template* is safe, doesn't it?
15:15 wizzyrea       proof of concept I guess.
15:15 wizzyrea       there are plugins for it
15:15 wizzyrea       possibly
15:15 wizzyrea       jcamins: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=224782
15:14 * jcamins      wonders idly whether Template::Toolkit has a taint mode that allows one to securely use a template entered by the user.
15:12 jenkins_koha   Starting build 576 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:08 mbalmer        175 km/h, not bad...
15:08 kf             and most other usernames we have make not much sense to show
15:07 kf             oleonard: the system fills that with firstname.surname automatically...
15:06 huginn`        New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_5327' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a1ec82845372cd888021220f056d465e9e65f4f2> / Bug 5327: Added unit test for C4/SIP/ILS/Transaction/RenewAll.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3ae23cd6cf97ffbab6080f255e942f2ba73dcd07> / Bug 7282 - invalid language selection <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=co
15:06 oleonard       Even username would not be allowed kf?
15:06 magnuse        next step (enh) might be to let the patron choose for him/her self?
15:06 chris_n        heya kf, oleonard, everyone
15:05 kf             pity.
15:05 kf             oleonard: data privacy... we will only be using 'no name' I guess...
15:04 kf             flooding
15:04 kf             I expect some more flodding
15:04 oleonard       I'm not sure it makes sense to just show first name or just show last name, but I guess it doesn't hurt to offer the choice
15:04 kf             mbalmer: have not checked the news yet :( it's been raining here all day
15:04 mbalmer        this storm is still strong, already two derailed trains...
15:04 wizzyrea       oo, oleonard++
15:04 magnuse        oleonard++
15:03 kf             also a lot easier with tt I guess?
15:03 kf             oleonard++ for tackling that
15:03 kf             :)
15:03 kf             so not too weird? )
15:03 oleonard       http://www.screencast.com/t/oCWaTwEvId
15:00 kf             not sure if that sounds weird
15:00 kf             perhaps?
15:00 kf             no name
15:00 kf             show (no/firstname....) of commenter...
14:59 kf             you could do
14:58 oleonard       The (none) option is a little awkward but I didn't know how to make it sound better
14:58 oleonard       http://www.screencast.com/t/Mb1Ugg7szemV Missing anything?
14:58 magnuse        yay
14:56 kf             jcamins++ :)
14:56 kf             yum!
14:56 * jcamins      puts a plate of fudge out for #koha.
14:54 francharb      thanks!
14:53 kf             using the filing rule
14:53 kf             and the system generates a sortable form for it in cn_source
14:53 kf             so the library selects what kind of classification the callnumber is
14:53 kf             yes, you link filing rules to the classification sources under adminsitration
14:53 francharb      thanks
14:52 kf             francharb: marc21
14:52 kf             got distracted
14:52 kf             ah sorry
14:50 magnuse        hiya jcamins
14:50 jcamins        Good morning, #koha.
14:42 francharb      to know how to normalize call numbre
14:41 francharb      filing rules is somethinf for koha
14:41 francharb      right?
14:41 francharb      when cataloging
14:41 francharb      that library use
14:41 francharb      it's only classification source
14:40 francharb      kf, what is the difference between Classification sources and classification filing rules?
14:40 francharb      kf, do you work with unimarc or marc21 records?
14:39 kf             hpf
14:39 magnuse        well, if that isn't funny, i don't know *what* is... ;-)
14:39 kf             so I end up using 'z' a lot and hoping for the best with generic
14:38 kf             / classification
14:38 kf             maximep: you don't have tot ell me.... here every library thinks it's funny to invent their own classification source...
14:37 kf             francharb: so the sortable form inserts spaces and things to make them sortable correctly
14:37 francharb      maximeop++
14:37 kf             francharb: the problem is that alphabetic sorting does not work for callnumbers, because they are not made to be sortable by machines...
14:37 maximep        aaaaaaaaaaaah cn_sort. My life would be easier if everyone just used lcc
14:37 kf             francharb: no, it's a general thing
14:37 oleonard       ...places where we don't use Zebra it looks like.
14:36 oleonard       francharb: I see cn_sort used in places like overdues, the shelf browser, the holds queue
14:36 maximep        running it this night. Takes way too much cpu to run it on prod
14:36 kf             that's not good
14:36 kf             maximep: you probably still have item information in your marcxml blobs
14:36 kf             maximep: I am really worreid that you didn't run it
14:32 francharb      because zebra can manage the call number sorting right?
14:31 francharb      when we have a no zebra install?
14:31 francharb      do you know when is items.cn_sort used?
14:31 maximep        works fine without running the script
14:30 francharb      kf
14:30 maximep        always helps
14:30 maximep        -_-
14:30 maximep        cpan Template
14:30 maximep        forgot 1 step
14:30 kf             maximep: you didn#t run the script?
14:24 magnuse        how did it break?
14:23 maximep        broke a production koha by updating from 3.2 to 3.6 last night. fun times :(
14:20 paul_p         oleonard, ;-)
14:13 magnuse        hehe
14:09 oleonard       QA'ers have been very forgiving of my "this bug requires a one-character fix but let me change all this too" patches
14:08 magnuse        oleonard++
14:08 * oleonard     has started to make minor simplifications where possible
14:08 kf             sorry, have to eat cake... will be back:)
14:08 magnuse        yeah, i think going through the templates and thinking about translations would be really good
14:07 kf             it's horrible
14:07 kf             yes
14:07 oleonard       lots of [ IF ][ IF ][ IF ]...
14:07 oleonard       We do have a lot of extra logic that can be simplified now
14:07 kf             we do a lot of things with lots of boolean values and it's overcomplicating things and osme things are really bad for translation
14:06 kf             like members
14:06 kf             oleonard: I was thinking that it would be nice to rewrite some of the templates...
14:06 kf             and we talked about filters once
14:06 kf             I think i showed you the dump thing for debugging
14:06 * oleonard     doesn't think that was it
14:06 kf             teh one about caching?
14:06 magnuse        oleonard: there was some talk about caching?
14:05 kf             paul send a mail to the list, did you mean that?
14:05 * oleonard     is trying to remember what it was
14:05 kf             there is a reason for the script
14:05 oleonard       kf: Was it you who was pointing out a useful feature of Template:Toolkit that we weren't taking advantage of?
14:05 maximep        everything seems to work without it
14:05 magnuse        schuster: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Inter_Library_Loan and http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/ILL_RFC
14:04 kf             maximep: it's stripping the items out of your marcxml blobs
14:03 kf             maximep: yes, if you have data in it you have to
13:54 schuster       Yeah after 2 years of inactivity we are starting to drop them - give them a little amnesty and hope they will come back and use the public library at least!  Often when they move levels I encourage the librarians to clear all records and give the kid a fresh start...  Trying to keep them as library users.
13:53 oleonard       it's different for a school since your population disappears. We can hold out hope someone will return some day
13:52 schuster       We are going to drop fines next year so fines won't be as big a deal.  Just notification of Lost charges will become a concern.
13:52 oleonard       We never have
13:51 schuster       oleonard - do you dump borrowers inactive ever?
13:49 schuster       surprised actually I have not had calls about generating that report already.
13:49 schuster       back from school/back to school
13:48 schuster       It is end of semester so when we come back from school they secondary are going to want to post ID's to students with "concerns" in the library that need to be taken care of.  Currently we run Overdue.pl and then a "borrowers who owe money" report and merge them.  I'd like to automate that some.
13:47 schuster       At some point I would like to look into a way to generate overdues/fines on the fly for schools based on an sql kind of like using overdue.pl and then a button on the screen that would say generate notice.  We don't have emails for our kids "yet" so we have to do paper and when we see them once a week it is easier to hand it out when they come in.
13:46 oleonard       After that we hope that their desire to use the library convinces them they should pay to replace anything they've really lost and can't return
13:46 oleonard       We debar patrons who have overdues older than a certain number of days. We send out notices about those overdues (email and postcard)
13:45 schuster       oleonard - if someone lost a book so you send it to lost, how do you notify them how much they owe? or???
13:45 maximep        do I really need to run misc/maintenance/remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl after an update from 3.2 to 3.6 ?
13:44 schuster       Overdues are the bain of my existence...
13:44 oleonard       schuster: No
13:44 kf             total fines overdue and fines total
13:44 schuster       oleonard - do you all charge fines?
13:44 kf             I would like to see a new placeholder for a total value
13:43 kf             and has fines related to it
13:43 kf             book must still be checked out
13:43 kf             which means
13:43 kf             only F and FU fines
13:43 schuster       drat.
13:43 kf             no
13:43 schuster       kf - interesting - yes I have seen that, but will it pull if they just have a fine and no overdue too?
13:42 kf             schuster: <item> <fine></fine></item>
13:42 schuster       kf - ah - I don't do ILL the traditional public library way as we are a school district...
13:42 kf             schuster: you can use a special syntax in your ODUE template
13:42 sekjal         kf:  ok.  more later, then!
13:42 kf             schuster: but about your fine problem :)
13:42 kf             schuster: there is one and a new bug
13:41 kf             sekjal: I am going to load all ill patrons from our union catalog system... and I don't want to blow up patron search for one or more of the circulating branches
13:41 schuster       A wiki page on ILL probably wouldn't hurt.
13:41 kf             sekjal: my main concern was hiding my ill library from the opac pull downs
13:41 kf             sekjal: talked to chris, he said the group functionality for branches was once used to do that
13:41 sekjal         cheers, all!
13:41 sekjal         anwyay, time to dash
13:40 sekjal         or worse practices, if things go poorly
13:40 schuster       oleonard - that is good news kind of...  wonders about poking gmcharlt to see if he can shed any light.
13:40 kf             not general fines
13:40 sekjal         kf: I'll let you know what we brainstorm today, and maybe it'll be of use for ILL best practices
13:40 kf             for overdue fines
13:40 kf             schuster: it's possible
13:40 * oleonard     isn't even sure yet how Fulfillment talks to Koha
13:40 schuster       So can anyone tell me if the "notices" actually looks at account lines to include those into notices?
13:39 oleonard       schuster: I have an offer in to help test the Koha connector and I've gotten an initial response, but nothing further yet
13:39 mbalmer        sekjal, I will soon open a bug to keep track of the efforts.  Bug title:  "Koha uses MySQL" ;)
13:39 sekjal         schuster:  haven't heard, myself
13:39 schuster       ILL discussion - how is the "Fullfillment" project at Equinox coming along?  I have not looked in on that for awhile.
13:39 sekjal         misspelling_words_early_in_the_morning--
13:38 mbalmer        one easy way would be to provde a set of function to provide those MySQL only functions to PostgreSQL.
13:38 sekjal         DB_indepedence++
13:38 sekjal         mbalmer:  godspeed to you on that!
13:38 mbalmer        I am currently going each and every file to find MySQLisms, then I can think about how to make it Pg/MySQL "compliant"
13:38 kf             sekjal: just started reading back - we are thinking about ILL too. My idea was having a separate branch and perhaps have a branchtype - to mark functional branches. I think something like that was existant in early versions of Koha
13:37 schuster       sekjal and all - regarding overdues etc... we have not been printing/emailing them, but do they include fines as well as overdues?
13:37 mbalmer        well, given that MySQL doesn't even check dates…. (you can store completely illegal values)..
13:37 sekjal         TO_DAYS is 6 files currently, mostly as relates to overdues
13:36 sekjal         mbalmer:  good point.  if we can find a univerally-supported (or at least Postgres supported) function to replace TO_DAYS queries, we can apply that throughout the system
13:35 mbalmer        since I am now working on PostgreSQL support, I oppose by nature to anything that work with MySQL only ;)
13:35 mbalmer        it would be nice to find a way that works with other DBs, too.
13:35 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7319 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Improve specificity of title and breadcrumbs on acquisitions Z39.50 search pages
13:35 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7324 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Show alternate email as mailto link on patron summary
13:35 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Bug 7319 - Improving title and breadcrumbs on acquisitions Z39.50 search pages
13:35 jenkins_koha   * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7324: Show alternate email as mailto: / hide labels when field is empty
13:35 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #575: SUCCESS in 52 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/575/
13:35 sekjal         mbalmer:  not sure... perhaps with a date_diff?
13:34 mbalmer        sekjal, can you do that without TO_DAYS?
13:32 pastebot       "sekjal" at 67.90.214.2 pasted "SQL to get overdue issues that should receive notification today" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/159
13:31 sekjal         with a single query, I can get all the issue information, as well as the overdue rule to use (factoring in default values, and triggers)
13:30 * kmkale       wonders how to pronounce that
13:30 sekjal         while I was mucking about with telephone overdue notices, I wrote a new SQL query that I think may help simplify overdue_notices.pl
13:30 paul_p         bonsoir koustubha
13:30 kmkale         Namaste paul_p :)
13:29 paul_p         good morning sekjal !
13:29 paul_p         (and, for some libraries, that's the expected behaviour, as they'll remind in the mail their opening hours, for example)
13:29 sekjal         hi, paul_p!
13:29 paul_p         sekjal, I think you're right
13:28 sekjal         so if a patron has overdues at 3 different branches, they'll get three different emails
13:28 kmkale         so the from address gets inserted from the librarian's email for each branch?
13:28 sekjal         it looks like, if there are branch-specific overdue rules, the system will split overdue notices up between branches
13:28 sekjal         I'm reading the overdue_notices.pl code right now
13:28 sekjal         I think so
13:28 kmkale         aah. Can our notices do that?
13:27 sekjal         they want to be sure the notice is coming from the right branch
13:27 sekjal         they're concerned about overdue notices to those ILL libraries
13:27 sekjal         yes
13:27 sekjal         they're going to apply as consistent a set of rules across the three libraries as possible
13:27 kmkale         sekjal: so the challlenge is convincing them?
13:26 sekjal         kmkale:  yes
13:26 kmkale         sekjal: and handle everything with circ rules?
13:26 sekjal         kmkale:  I really want them to use a single record for each ILL library.  It doesn't make sense to me to have multiple records for the same entity
13:25 kmkale         sekjal: interesting. Your plan?
13:21 sekjal         hi, oleonard
13:21 oleonard       Hi #koha
13:20 sekjal         they really want to give each ILL library 3 patron records in their system (one belonging to each library)
13:20 sekjal         aside from getting their data out of their legacy systems, biggest issue as this point seems to be how to handle ILL
13:19 sekjal         I'm taking off in about 15 min for day 3 of training for a new library coop in New Hampshire
13:18 * jcamins_away just wanted to share that thought, and should go get ready and head into the city.
13:16 sekjal         Namaste, kmkale
13:16 * jcamins_away has untouched coffee. Perhaps he'd better have some.
13:16 * sekjal       has only had the one cup of coffee
13:15 jcamins_away   Ah. You mean for ordering. Yes, that's what I was getting at.
13:15 jcamins_away   With XSLT? Sure it would.
13:15 sekjal         there would need to be the structural component as well
13:15 sekjal         it wouldn't just be a matter of "turn this field on"
13:15 sekjal         jcamins_away:  right.
13:14 jcamins_away   sekjal: I meant with XSLT.
13:14 sekjal         oh geeze
13:14 jcamins_away   It could even be customized on a record-by-record level like in Millennium.
13:14 sekjal         ISBD view seems to handle order just fine
13:14 jcamins_away   Choosing what to display and what not to display is easy.
13:14 jcamins_away   sekjal: the hard part for user-configurable display is field order.
13:13 kmkale         Namaste sekjal :)
13:12 sekjal         morning, #koha
13:04 mbalmer        If I blame anything, then MySQL in general ,)
13:03 mbalmer        paul_p, not blaming anyone here, I am just mumbling will going through each and every file...
13:02 paul_p         (which is really poor)
13:02 paul_p         what I remember for sure is that we hadn't innoDB as an option, we had to cope with myISAM
13:02 paul_p         mbalmer, you should not forget that Koha is 11 years old and some things where written with tools that were also 11 years old (dunno in this case but maybe there was only table locking at this time)
13:01 mbalmer        wow, MySQL is such a piece of sh****
12:59 mbalmer        wow, locking on the table level, not seen that for a long time (I wonder what kind of dope the developer smoked ;)
12:55 kf             but no storm so far
12:55 kf             raining heavily here :(
12:54 mbalmer_       crap. power outage due to heavy storm...
12:48 mbalmer        and it could actually benefit a great deal from pg features.
12:46 mbalmer        make Koha run on PostgreSQL will actually be not that hard, imo.
12:43 huginn`        chris_n: The operation succeeded.
12:43 chris_n        @later tell AmitG just leave me a message via pm or @later or email
12:42 huginn`        New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7319 - Improving title and breadcrumbs on acquisitions Z39.50 search pages <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8a87f15605b23c44a8dac71cd4a3f209add98556> / Bug 7324: Show alternate email as mailto: / hide labels when field is empty <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=52dca0f4337b83bff4ff2de457f21b8b7ab70134>
12:42 jenkins_koha   Starting build 575 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
12:40 jcamins_away   paul_p: never mind, I'll be back later. I just remembered I have fudge to wrap.
12:27 jcamins_away   paul_p: around?
12:19 mbalmer        already found a few MySQLisms that do not exist in PostgreSQL.  But so far nothing that could not be made to work.
12:15 syed           let me try 1st to find any searchable field in my existing koha version
12:14 syed           thanks for your guidance kf:
12:14 syed           Ok....
12:13 kf             if you want it to be searchable you might have to reuse the internal note or another field that already is searchable or create a search index
12:13 syed           Ooo...
12:12 kf             you could add 953$i to your framework without a mapping to items - but it will not be searchable
12:12 kf             that was intruduced later
12:12 kf             there is no field dedicated to accession numbers in 3.2
12:12 syed           :(
12:12 kf             3.2 is more difficult
12:12 kf             ah
12:11 syed           i have 3.2
12:11 kf             hm
12:11 syed           so the librarian will use 952$i for internal item search
12:11 kf             depends on your version, I think it's available since 3.4
12:11 kf             I was going to answer you on the mailing list right now
12:11 kf             inventory number = accesscion number
12:11 kf             952$i
12:11 syed           yes kf:
12:10 kf             are you still here?
12:10 kf             hi syed
11:48 syed           I have mapped 952$p with unique serial of barcode for circulation (e.g. LIB1000101, LIB1000102, LIB1000102) ... I also have Accession no. (e.g. 254123, 19982, 05241) please guide me what field I'll use for accession no. mapping (as i already have a 952$p for serial barcode)
11:42 syed           hi all,
10:17 kf             :)
10:16 francharb      my2cts ;)
10:16 francharb      it's based on info within cn_source, cn_class and cn_item in biblioitems
10:16 francharb      than items.cn_sort
10:15 francharb      the "same" way
10:15 francharb      is populated
10:15 francharb      cn_sort
10:15 francharb      biblioitems
10:15 francharb      so i guess
10:15 francharb      my $cn_sort = GetClassSort($cn_source, $cn_class, $cn_item);
10:15 francharb      GetClassSort
10:15 francharb      kf, i found that in C4 :
10:00 francharb      thanls kf
09:59 francharb      i guess
09:59 kf             ?
09:59 kf             but it probably once was the same ideaß
09:59 kf             not sure the fields there are in use
09:59 kf             sorry, misread
09:59 kf             oh
09:59 francharb      in biblioitems too?
09:58 kf             francharb: and it's populated according to what you set as classification source and uses the filing rule specified in adminsitration > classiciation source and filing rules
09:58 kf             francharb: it's a sortable form of the callnumber
09:58 kf             francharb: yes
09:57 bigbrovar      Timezone appropriate greetings guys :)
09:55 francharb      are there info that populate automatically those field like items.cn_sort?
09:54 francharb      anyone knows what biblioitems.cn_* are meant for?
09:47 kf             rm decides really, and if fredericd had a problem with it
09:45 mbalmer        a bit much work for two lines of code, don't you think?  but then it's up to you of course.
09:29 kf             and wrong history
09:29 kf             but still it's fredericd's patch
09:29 kf             mbalmer has some patches waiting for sign-off - so I think it will not change the history.txt
09:29 paul_p         kf, why ?
09:29 kf             I am not sure I agree
09:28 paul_p         kf, for a so small patch, it's not worth it.
09:27 kf             paul_p: perhaps we should fix the patch - revert and mbalmer could sign off the original?
09:23 mbalmer        it's really only perl.
09:22 mbalmer        these are no problem.
09:22 kf             we also have js, html, template toolkit and xslt ... more fun! :)
09:22 mbalmer        s/U/I/
09:21 mbalmer        right now U have to brush up my Perl a bit (I am usually a C/kernel hacker)
09:21 kf             paul_p: so simple, so much fun :)
09:21 paul_p         hi AmitG
09:21 AmitG          heya paul_p
09:21 mbalmer        it has been mentioned to me and it is on my  list to try out.
09:21 paul_p         (the handiest tool I've seen with git !!!)
09:20 paul_p         mbalmer, do you know git bz ?
09:20 paul_p         you're probably right.
09:20 mbalmer        beginners mistake, I guess.
09:20 mbalmer        so I somehow got the stuff screwed up.
09:20 mbalmer        wrt ot your comment, I guess it happened because I used diff and patch directly on my repo (nit got diff etc.)
09:19 paul_p         mbalmer, yep
09:19 wahanui        paul_p is the 3.8 release manager, and is very tall, and does not like coffee.
09:19 mbalmer        paul_p?
09:16 mbalmer        I looked up the ISBN at amazon, registered as print book at o'reilly, then upgraded to the ebook for 5$ (you can upgrade any book you registered for 5$)
09:15 kf             still have 2 chapters to read..
09:15 kf             not sure which edition I have
09:06 mbalmer        got myself "Learning Perl, 6th Edition" for $4.99
09:04 huginn`        New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6755] Problems with switching languages <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6755>
09:00 kf             fredericd: around?
08:59 kf             i think asking someone from biblibre will help
08:58 mbalmer        couldn't that be a leftover from applying a patch?
08:58 kf             we are not using CAS
08:58 kf             I think you might be supposed to copy the file? not sure.
08:53 mbalmer        is 'C4/Auth_cas_servers.yaml.orig' a mistake?  i.e. why the '.orig' suffix?
08:46 kf             hi sophie_m
08:42 sophie_m       hello #koha
08:37 kf             but yay for now :)
08:35 kf             asaurat: I might change that...
08:35 alex_a         kf: lol
08:35 asaurat        =) no, he actually said he was a pacifist, so no need to worry I guess ;)
08:34 kf             maiming... not nice
08:34 kf             oh
08:34 kf             alex_a: did he opt for poisoning me next time we meet?
08:34 kf             hi asaurat
08:34 kf             alex_a: YAY! :)
08:33 asaurat        hi kf ! :D
08:33 asaurat        he'll only maim you
08:33 alex_a         kf, very good news: jonathan just said he will not kill you ;)
08:28 kf             hi gaetan_B
08:27 gaetan_B       :)
08:27 wahanui        salut, gaetan_B
08:27 gaetan_B       hello
08:27 kf             AmitG: he is in the US - too early
08:27 AmitG          chris_n around?
08:26 kf             but meh!
08:26 kf             glad I had sweat pants from gymnastics at work and got socks from a coworker
08:26 magnuse        kf: ouch!
08:25 magnuse        mbalmer: that sounds like an argument - i do not have very strong opinions on it myself... ;-)
08:25 AmitG          heya kf :D
08:25 kf             magnuse: worse than a monday
08:24 mbalmer        an abstraction layer should only come when there are actually at least two things to abstract from, it should not be starting point.  though a clear API could be a "middle ground"
08:24 magnuse        almost sounds like a monday...
08:24 magnuse        ouch!
08:24 huginn`        kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 5.1�C (9:20 AM CET on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.29 in 991.8 hPa (Falling).
08:24 kf             @wunder Konstanz
08:24 kf             underground passage (rails) was flooded - I am soaked.
08:24 kf             bah.
08:24 kf             light rain
08:24 kf             meeh
08:23 mbalmer        so I think it is better to have two interfaces in parallel, each one optimized, and only then see if the can be abstracted.
08:23 magnuse        sure
08:23 mbalmer        mysql and pgsql _ARE_ different, so a common abstraction layer brings the danger of it being the least common denominator, not taking advantage of either feature set.
08:22 magnuse        ah yes, people will have opinions on that ;-)
08:21 mbalmer        right now I have tendency towards "parallel mode"
08:20 magnuse        will you add pgsql in parallell to mysql or use an abstraction layer?
08:20 mbalmer        but time will tell
08:20 mbalmer        which are not necessary coherent with my ideas, though :>
08:20 magnuse        ah, cool
08:20 mbalmer        yes, some already statet opinions here.
08:19 magnuse        others will have opinions on that, so an RFC will be very good
08:19 magnuse        ah
08:19 mbalmer        pgsql
08:19 magnuse        what are going to work on?
08:18 magnuse        practice makes perfect! ;-)
08:18 mbalmer        biggest problem though is still my knowledge of perl (or rather lack thereof)
08:18 magnuse        good thinking ;-)
08:17 mbalmer        yes, I will need that anyways, to log about the progress
08:17 magnuse        mbalmer: if it's something non-trivial it's also considered nice to put an RFC on the wiki, with a description of what you are doing
08:17 mbalmer        well, before I start, I need to install my system from source, removing the debian packages first
08:16 mbalmer        ah yes, I could git push to github or so
08:16 magnuse        mbalmer: what some people do is point to a git repo from the bug report, and say i'm publishing my work here every now and then, so people can have a look if they want
08:16 reiveune       AmitG: I don't know, I'm in France
08:16 mbalmer        ok.
08:15 magnuse        mbalmer: you don't have to attach patches before they are ready, though
08:15 mbalmer        magnuse, ok.
08:15 AmitG          reiveune: whr is gaten?
08:15 magnuse        mbalmer: yes, create a bug, that way people can see you are working on it
08:14 mbalmer        or this there a different process?
08:14 wahanui        alex_a: sorry...
08:14 alex_a         wahanui knows too many things
08:14 francharb      hello
08:14 mbalmer        when I work on a feature, which will probably take a substantial time (3-6 months), I create a branch.  Should I also create a "Bug" for it, although it will likely produce many, many diffs?
08:14 reiveune       hi AmitG
08:14 AmitG          gaten around ?
08:14 wahanui        reiveune is working for biblibre
08:14 AmitG          heya reiveune
08:12 magnuse        community++
08:12 magnuse        wow, 167 people with code in koha
08:08 mbalmer        #koha wakes up ;)
08:06 magnuse        kia ora paul_p
08:06 paul_p         good morning world
08:05 reiveune       Bonjour magnuse, everybody
08:03 magnuse        bonjour reiveune
08:03 reiveune       hello
08:02 rangi          Hehe
08:02 magnuse        well, how about if you woke them up for a change?
08:02 rangi          I have children
08:02 rangi          no need for alarm
08:02 rangi          heh
08:01 magnuse        better set your alarm for nice and early then!
08:01 magnuse        yay
08:01 rangi          sposta be nice tomorrow
08:00 rangi          yeah its rainy and yuck
08:00 magnuse        not the most amazing summer temperature i have heard of...
08:00 * rangi        is on the bus on the way home
08:00 huginn`        rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0�C (8:00 PM NZDT on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising).
08:00 rangi          @wunder wellington nz
07:59 magnuse        rangi: yay!
07:59 magnuse        heh, that's colder than bod�!
07:59 rangi          hmm staff I think
07:59 huginn`        AmitG: The current temperature in Srinagar, India is 4.0�C (11:30 AM IST on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: -3.0�C.
07:59 AmitG          @wunder Srinagar
07:59 magnuse        rangi: would that be a script for the opac or the staff client?
07:58 wahanui        i already had it that way, huginn`.
07:58 huginn`        AmitG: The current temperature in Shimla, India is 11.0�C (11:30 PM IST on November 08, 2008). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Pressure: (Falling).
07:58 AmitG          @wunder Shimla
07:58 huginn`        AmitG: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 16.0�C (11:30 AM IST on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa.
07:58 AmitG          @wunder Dehradun
07:58 huginn`        AmitG: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 19.0�C (1:00 PM IST on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
07:58 AmitG          @wunder New Delhi
07:58 rangi          more_beer.pl
07:58 mbalmer        <rangi> I'm turning beer into code
07:57 magnuse        maybe write some patches instead, then?
07:57 magnuse        and now it's 9 pm?
07:56 magnuse        hehe
07:56 * rangi        may have been drinking since 1pm so im not signing anything off
07:55 rangi          sup dudes
07:48 magnuse        hm
07:48 huginn`        magnuse: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0�C (8:00 PM NZDT on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising).
07:48 magnuse        @wunder wellington, nz
07:47 huginn`        magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 11.0�C (8:30 AM CET on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
07:47 magnuse        @wunder marseille
07:47 huginn`        magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0�C (8:20 AM CET on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.00 in 982 hPa (Rising).
07:47 magnuse        @wunder boo
07:44 alex_a         :)
07:44 alex_a         not storm here either
07:44 mbalmer        it's now hitting switzerland, up to 140 km/h
07:43 cait           bye all
07:43 cait           have to walk to work
07:43 cait           not so much storm here, only rain... meh
07:43 mbalmer        yep
07:43 cait           oh, the storm is named Joachim?
07:43 huginn`        cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.8�C (8:39 AM CET on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.33 in 993.1 hPa (Falling).
07:43 cait           @wunder Konstanz
07:42 cait           mbalmer: ?
07:42 mbalmer        Joachim is rocking my house….
07:42 cait           something wrong with the encoding
07:42 alex_a         ok
07:42 cait           ÜÖÄ
07:42 cait           üäö
07:42 alex_a         umluats ?
07:41 cait           ok, bbiab
07:41 cait           you only get ? where umluats should be, I think it will be similar for french accents
07:41 cait           alex_a:  I think so
07:40 alex_a         is it serious ?
07:39 cait           turns out I never picked a title with umlauts in my other tests
07:38 cait           broken diacritics in my mail
07:38 huginn`        New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7355] Note subfields are not displayed in TEXTAREA if hidden <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7355>
07:38 cait           I failed late order management again
07:37 wahanui        hmmm... the problem is its human beings doing it
07:37 alex_a         cait: what is the problem ?
07:35 cait           sag niemals nie
07:35 cait           in German we say that too
07:35 cait           hehe
07:35 alex_a         :D
07:35 alex_a         in french we say: "never say never" in english too ?
07:35 alex_a         yes :)
07:35 cait           never did that before you mean? :)
07:34 alex_a         jonathan never did that i believe
07:33 cait           alex_a: hope jonathan is not going to kill me
07:33 cait           hi alex_a :)
07:33 alex_a         hi mbalmer
07:33 alex_a         hi cait
07:33 alex_a         hi AmitG
07:30 AmitG          heya alex_a, mabalmer
07:24 mbalmer        morgen!
07:24 cait           morgen mbalmer
07:11 cait           even more than before :)
07:11 cait           now I am confused
07:10 magnuse        doesn't say anything about short options...
07:10 magnuse        the docs i found says this about +: "The option does not take an argument and will be incremented by 1 every time it appears on the command line. E.g. "more+" , when used with --more --more --more, will increment the value three times, resulting in a value of 3 (provided it was 0 or undefined at first)."
07:07 cait           thx :)
07:07 cait           I will add a note to the bug and people can disagree
07:07 cait           heh
07:05 magnuse        but then we should not make it look like you can do -vv - if it confuses us it will confuse others...
07:04 magnuse        it might be that "everyone" knows -vv means you have to write out -v -v
07:04 magnuse        i'm not very familiar with it either
07:03 cait           I was not sure if this is some syntax I don't know
07:03 cait           ok
07:02 magnuse        it says -vv should work - id it does not i'd say that's a fail, yeah
07:00 cait           so is this a failed qa?
06:59 cait           and -v
06:59 cait           but -vv does not work for me, only -v -v
06:59 cait           Use log level 2 (-vv) to include all Zebra logs.
06:59 cait           warnings and errors from the indexing are shown.
06:59 cait           increase the amount of logging.  Normally only
06:59 cait           the help now states
06:59 cait           I don't require more )
06:59 magnuse        ;-)
06:59 magnuse        well, i can *look* at it
06:59 cait           magnuse: can you take a look at 7247?
06:58 cait           hmm
06:56 magnuse        guten morgen cait
06:55 cait           morning magnuse :)
06:55 magnuse        kia ora #koha
06:18 cait           trea++ :)
06:18 trea           ah, good point
06:17 cait           claiming is after
06:17 cait           I thik requisition is before you order
06:17 trea           glad i could help
06:16 cait           so claimed date and claims counter it is :)
06:16 cait           we have late orders and claims in koha
06:16 cait           no
06:15 trea           because that's what this is. a written request for "something"
06:14 trea           is requisition used elsewhere in koha?
06:14 trea           ?
06:14 trea           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Requisition
06:13 trea           it's just not a process i'm familiar enough with
06:13 trea           then in that context those make sense
06:13 trea           aha. ok
06:13 cait           the template is ACQCLAIM and it's for orders that are late
06:12 trea           mmm
06:12 trea           or what does it say
06:12 cait           or whatever you want
06:12 trea           and the message says "please send items immediately?"
06:12 cait           yep
06:12 trea           so it's a count of the number of times a message has been sent to a vendor
06:12 cait           yes
06:11 trea           it being books/items/etc
06:11 cait           you are late with... sent it immediately
06:11 cait           yes
06:11 trea           who do the mail messages goto? the vendor?
06:10 cait           there is a screenshot :)
06:10 cait           http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=6661
06:10 trea           let me read over 5347. one moment.
06:10 cait           or something else?
06:10 cait           perhaps claim count and claim date?
06:10 cait           I am not sure if the names are good
06:09 cait           and claimed date the last time you sent one
06:09 cait           claims count is the number of times you have sent out the mail
06:09 cait           on the page for late orders
06:09 trea           hehe ok
06:09 cait           we have 2 new columns there now: claims count and claimed date
06:09 cait           trea: not sure that's an excuse
06:08 cait           I am looking at the last touches for 5347
06:08 trea           there's work to do
06:08 cait           and why are you awake?
06:08 trea           and hi
06:08 trea           go ahead
06:08 cait           can I ask you something as a native speaker? :)
06:08 cait           hi trea
05:52 cait           hi AmitG
05:51 AmitG          heya cait
05:33 cait           so perhaps
05:33 cait           but the other square bracket things are put in automatically
05:33 cait           it's a guess
05:33 kmkale         is that waht happens?
05:33 cait           it got deleted
05:33 kmkale         Duncan's signed off patch does not have the bug number in the subject line.
05:33 cait           perhaps becaues you put it in square brackets
05:33 cait           ah
05:33 cait           so he deleted it?
05:33 cait           werid
05:32 kmkale         http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=6781
05:31 cait           I have a big list of thins for this morning, can't promise I will get to it
05:31 cait           heh
05:31 cait           http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=6822
05:31 kmkale         but another sign-off won't hurt :-D
05:30 cait           hm
05:30 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6843 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Renew membership from expiry date or from current date
05:30 kmkale         No its not. [PATCH] [Bug 6843] Renew membership from expiry date or from current
05:29 cait           ah, I see your patch is missing the bug number in the subject line
05:28 cait           so he forgot to obsolete your patch :)
05:28 cait           was looking at another bug
05:28 cait           ah you are right
05:28 kmkale         where is the follow up. I can only see Duncan's sign off
05:26 cait           or you could :)
05:26 cait           I can check that
05:26 kmkale         OOOOHHHH :)
05:26 cait           but there is a follow up for it
05:26 cait           last night
05:25 cait           :)
05:25 kmkale         not that I know of
05:25 cait           hasn't that be signed off already?
05:25 kmkale         simple stuff really
05:25 cait           ah
05:25 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6843 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Renew membership from expiry date or from current date
05:25 kmkale         cait can I interest you in signing off on bug 6843?
05:24 cait           hi kmkale
05:23 huginn`        kmkale: jransom was last seen in #koha 1 week, 1 day, 10 hours, 22 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <jransom> im off folks - meetings to get to
05:23 kmkale         @seen jransom
05:21 kmkale         Namaste cait :)
05:08 cait           good morning #koha
04:46 kmkale         Namaskaar #koha
03:37 AmitG          mtj around ?
03:37 AmitG          Good morning koha :D
03:37 AmitG          heya bag :d
03:15 druthb         o/
02:41 Brooke         o/
01:40 huginn`        wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
01:40 wizzyrea       @later tell melia http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sign_off_on_a_pushed_branch#Database_updates may help you with your query from yesterday. :)
00:51 melia          no takers. ah well. I'm giving up for today! :)
00:44 melia          (and I'm not a developer, so I don't just know the answer)
00:44 melia          I need help applying a patch. this page doesn't tell me what to do if the patch includes database schema changes: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration
00:08 * jcamins_away leaves again.
00:01 jcamins_away   Whoops.
00:01 jcamins_away   
00:00 * jcamins_away seeks around for more bad news to give rangi.