IRC log for #koha, 2011-11-12

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00:03 Junie joined #koha
00:04 Junie Good day everyone
00:05 Junie I am trying to find a list of recomended hardware: scanner, Printers etc that should be used with Koha. am I in the correct Chat?
00:05 eythian you are, though it's not terribly busy on a Saturday.
00:07 Junie Thank you
00:07 Junie do you know where I can find a list of recomended hardware that works with Koha?
00:08 Junie like barcode scanner and printers
00:08 eythian I'm not really sure, but have a look at - there might be stuff there. Basically, for scanners, anything that acts like a keyboard ("keyboard wedge" they're sometimes called.) This is (afaik) most of them.
00:09 eythian for printers, I'm not really sure, but it uses firefox to do the printing, so anything that works with that. You might want to ask on the koha mailing list for recommendations if the wiki doesn't help.
00:09 eythian (I don't usually deal with that aspect of hardware, so don't have a lot to contribue :)
00:10 Junie Thank you for your kind help
00:10 eythian no problem
00:10 Junie I did look at the wiki and did not find anything. I will look again and will try the forum
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00:10 Junie Thanks again and have a great day
00:11 eythian good luck
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00:26 jcamins_away eythian: I have a really weird error.
00:26 eythian OK...
00:26 jcamins_away (pasting it)
00:27 jcamins_away
00:27 jcamins_away I'm getting that error from koha-rebuild-zebra.
00:27 jcamins_away I'm about to inspect that line in rebuild_zebra.
00:28 eythian tjat
00:28 eythian that's a new one
00:28 jcamins_away And I can confirm, there are approximately an absurd number of directories in /tmp
00:28 eythian ah
00:28 eythian hmm
00:28 eythian that's probably it
00:29 jcamins_away They're all from rebuild_zebra.
00:29 jcamins_away Which is running only from koha-rebuild-zebra.
00:29 jcamins_away I guess you've never seen this before?
00:29 eythian there is/was a bug that I kept fixing and it kept coming back that caused rebuild_zebra to refuse to delete stuff from /tmp if ~root is not writable.
00:29 eythian rather
00:29 eythian not readable by non-root
00:29 eythian I thought I'd finally nailed it though, but maybe not...
00:29 jcamins_away This isn't latest master.
00:30 jcamins_away It took this error several weeks to show up.
00:30 eythian I thought I fixed it in 3.2 days
00:30 jcamins_away Oh.
00:30 jcamins_away Well, it seems to be back?
00:30 eythian but, it was prone to returning
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00:30 eythian that said, my servers aren't getting it now
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00:31 eythian so maybe it's similar-but-different
00:31 eythian I'd clean out /tmp, then at least it'll be easier to diagnose :)
00:34 jcamins_away So... how long does it take for 32k entries to be created?
00:35 eythian at a rate of 4 per hour, ~8,000 hours.
00:36 eythian more if you have more than one site on that host, so rebuild zebra happens more often.
00:36 jcamins_away I'm rebuilding at a rate of 12 times/hour for... four instances..
00:37 eythian OK, so then quite a bit shorter :)
00:37 jcamins_away And, sure enough, it took about a month for me to notice the problem.
00:38 eythian we usually saw it as the /tmp space running out
00:38 eythian The problem then was that the File::Temp code would chdir to ~ before deleting, however ~ was root, but the process wasn't running as root, so it failed.
00:39 eythian *however ~ was /root
00:39 jcamins_away Hmmm... how does one fix that?
00:39 eythian that may or may not be what you're seeing though, I'm quite sure I fixed that particular case.
00:40 eythian To start with, I'd write a test script that creates a temp dir, and see if that fails to remove the dir. From there, you can trace it easier.
00:40 eythian oh, I just remembered how I fixed it:
00:41 eythian sudo -u "$name-koha" -H \
00:41 eythian env PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib \
00:41 eythian KOHA_CONF="/etc/koha/sites/$name/koha-conf.xml" \
00:41 eythian /usr/share/koha/bin/migrat​ion_tools/ $@
00:41 eythian the -H updates $HOME
00:41 eythian so that it's no longer root, but the home dir of $name-koha
00:42 jcamins_away Well, that's there.
00:42 eythian if you test this, make sure you start as root and use sudo in a similar fashion to however you're doing it. It's likely a subtle environment thing.
00:42 eythian maybe $HOME of $name-koha isn't readable by the $name-koha user on your system
00:43 jcamins_away Bingo!
00:43 jcamins_away Bug in koha-restore.
00:43 eythian ah, it doesn't set the $HOME like koha-create does?
00:44 jcamins_away Right.
00:44 eythian cool :)
00:44 eythian well, good to know :)
00:44 jcamins_away Now, how do I change the home for an existing user?
00:44 jcamins_away usermod -d?
00:45 eythian usermod -d /var/lib/koha/$name $name-koha should do it
00:45 eythian or vipw
00:45 jcamins_away Bother.
00:45 jcamins_away "user demo-koha is currently logged in."
00:46 eythian ah, sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common stop
00:46 eythian (and start it when you're done)
00:46 eythian you may also need to stop apache
00:46 eythian or use vipw :)
00:46 eythian and then just restart all the services so they're not confused.
00:48 jcamins_away Thanks.
00:49 eythian no worries
00:50 jcamins_away I guess you don't use koha-restore much? :)
00:52 eythian jcamins_away: not really, no. Our config between staging and prod is different enough that it's too much trouble.
00:52 eythian jcamins_away: Bug 7217
00:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7217 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , koha-restore doesn't correctly configure the home dir
00:52 eythian patches welcome ;)
00:52 jcamins_away Also bug 7216.
00:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7216 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , koha-restore doesn't set HOME
00:52 eythian (should be a one-liner, I just have too much stuff to do in the short term.)
00:52 eythian haha
00:53 * jcamins_away will let you mark yours as a duplicate while he sends the patch.
00:53 eythian done the dup part already
00:57 jcamins_away Done.
00:57 * jcamins_away returns to what he's supposed to be doing.
00:58 eythian sweet. Me too :)
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01:06 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7216] koha-restore doesn't set HOME <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7216>
01:07 jcamins_away oleonard: an unusual time for you to be around, isn't it?
01:08 oleonard Yup. Had a free moment and felt like tinkering.
01:09 oleonard I don't know whether this is a usual time for you jcamins_away :)
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01:10 eythian hi cait
01:10 jcamins_away oleonard: pretty much every time is usual for me.
01:10 eythian bye cait
01:10 jcamins_away Definitely not a usual time for cait.
01:14 eythian ah, another reason to not use [BZ...] for bugs, it's automatically stripped out sometimes by git.
01:14 eythian (the other reason being I just think it doesn't look nice :)
01:14 jcamins_away Hmm... I just did what I thought chris_n said to.
01:14 eythian yeah, but when I signed off, git stripped it out.
01:15 eythian (which is why I put Bug .... - ... at the top, I thought you hadn't.
01:15 eythian )
01:16 eythian curiously, git bz must have seen that it wasn't there, and inserted the URL, too.
01:16 eythian nice of it.
01:16 eythian crap, lunch ordered and I forgot about it. bbiab
01:16 jcamins_away oleonard: what are you tinkering on?
01:16 jcamins_away :)
01:17 oleonard I have a grand plan for a restructuring of the OPAC templates, one which would require many hours of work I'm not getting paid to do
01:17 oleonard But I wanted to test something, so I thought I'd tinker a bit
01:17 * oleonard is now wondering why he can't check out one of his remote branches
01:18 jcamins_away Uh-oh.
01:19 oleonard Can I not check out a new branch based on a remote one with the same syntax? git checkout -b mybranch remote/branchname ?
01:22 jcamins_away I just did that a few minutes ago.
01:22 jcamins_away Does mybranch already exist?
01:23 oleonard Oh wait, now it's working.
01:24 oleonard Gremlins.
01:41 eythian wahanui: gremlins is <reply>First of all, keep him out of the light, he hates bright light, especially sunlight, it'll kill him. Second, don't give him any water, not even to drink. But the most important rule, the rule you can never forget, no matter how much he cries, no matter how much he begs, never feed him after midnight.
01:41 wahanui OK, eythian.
01:46 jcamins_away Gremlins?
01:46 wahanui First of all, keep him out of the light, he hates bright light, especially sunlight, it'll kill him. Second, don't give him any water, not even to drink. But the most important rule, the rule you can never forget, no matter how much he cries, no matter how much he begs, never feed him after midnight.
01:48 eythian no, wahanui, gremlins is <reply>First of all, keep $who out of the light, he hates bright light, especially sunlight, it'll kill him. Second, don't give him any water, not even to drink. But the most important rule, the rule you can never forget, no matter how much he cries, no matter how much he begs, never feed him after midnight.
01:48 wahanui okay, eythian.
01:48 eythian gremlins?
01:48 wahanui First of all, keep eythian out of the light, he hates bright light, especially sunlight, it'll kill him. Second, don't give him any water, not even to drink. But the most important rule, the rule you can never forget, no matter how much he cries, no matter how much he begs, never feed him after midnight.
01:48 eythian heh
01:49 oleonard Nice.
01:53 jcamins_away gremlins?
01:53 wahanui First of all, keep jcamins_away out of the light, he hates bright light, especially sunlight, it'll kill him. Second, don't give him any water, not even to drink. But the most important rule, the rule you can never forget, no matter how much he cries, no matter how much he begs, never feed him after midnight.
01:53 jcamins_away Nifty!
01:53 * oleonard wonders what percentage of contaminants is required to make water safe for mogwai consumption
01:55 eythian those old mystic chinese people in those shops never seem to be very specific with their rules.
02:06 oleonard Here's what I wanted to try:
02:07 oleonard Modal cart using jQueryUI. That's as much as works at the moment, but proof of concept.
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04:06 eythian does anyone have any photos of libraries running Koha that I can steal for a presentation? I just need one or two good pictures.
04:07 eythian (koha in the photo isn't important, just the books and stuff)
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04:26 rangi I have a bunch
04:26 rangi china, france, samoa, croatia
04:27 rangi that ppl sent me for kohacon09
04:27 rangi remind me at work
04:29 eythian OK ta
04:33 eythian what's the current best-guess as to the number of libraries with Koha?
04:33 eythian trying to see if I can convince LWC to tell me
04:36 eythian ah, it claims 1460
04:36 eythian that'll do
04:36 eythian (as an estimate)
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07:04 cait morning #koha
07:05 rangi hi cait
07:05 cait hi rangi
07:12 cait @wunder Konstanz
07:12 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 5.0�C (8:00 AM CET on November 12, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.49 in 1032 hPa (Rising).
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07:59 Oak hello miss cait :)
07:59 cait hi Oak :)
07:59 cait got my message?
08:00 Oak yup, just now. i was away... preparing for exams.
08:00 Oak thank you!
08:06 cait good luck for your exams :)
08:07 cait tuedsay to thursday?
08:11 Oak Monday to Wednesday -- 14th Nov to 16th Nov :)
08:11 Oak thank you
08:12 cait ah
08:12 cait missed by one day
08:12 cait what are the exams about?
08:19 Oak MLIS last semester, Effective Business Communication, Management of Serial Publications, and Project Management.
08:21 Oak and i have to do a project also... but for that I have about two months.
08:22 cait oh wow
08:22 cait :)
08:24 Oak :] *sigh* break time is over...
08:24 Oak back to studies
08:24 cait :)
08:24 * cait sends cookies
08:25 * Oak takes cookies (with thanks) and heads towards books
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10:19 Brooke 0/
10:19 Brooke for the next 3m anyway :D
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10:53 Oak cait, read an amusing example in Business Communication book just now. want to hear it?
10:53 cait sure :)
10:53 Oak okay, will type it in full first, then copy paste here, so there is no delay in reading...
10:57 cait :)
11:01 Oak okay, ready
11:02 Oak here on main window? or in private. it's quite long
11:02 cait pm?
11:02 Oak okay
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13:13 druthb o/
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16:13 bg morning
16:14 druthb sup bg?
16:14 bg hey druthb
16:14 bg how you doing?
16:14 druthb feeling a little better this morning.  Yesterday was no fun.
16:18 bg good I'm glad you're feeling better :)
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16:41 cait hi bg and druthb :)
16:41 bg hey cait
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18:13 cait @wunder Konstanz
18:13 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.1�C (7:09 PM CET on November 12, 2011). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.48 in 1032.1 hPa (Steady).
18:14 druthb brr!
18:14 druthb @wunder 38401
18:14 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Spring Hill, Tennessee is 15.6�C (2:13 PM AST on November 12, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1020.9 hPa (Steady).
18:18 bg @wunder 93109
18:18 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 16.9�C (10:15 AM PST on November 12, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Rising).
18:18 cait yeah brr
18:25 rangi[…]rary_expands.html
18:27 cait oh, morning rangi
18:28 rangi heya cait
18:36 druthb hi, rangi.  :)
18:36 rangi heya druthb :)
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19:05 cait hope it's better now
19:05 cait ah wrong window :)
19:05 cait scrolling broken again, annoying
19:05 Oak :)
19:05 Oak how is miss cait?
19:05 cait :)
19:05 cait how is Oak?
19:05 cait done with learning for today?
19:06 Oak yup :) tired
19:06 druthb hi, Oak! :)
19:06 Oak i don't like exams. not really.
19:06 Oak hello druthb :)
19:06 cait I think noone does
19:06 Oak yeah
19:09 Oak 12:15 am.
19:09 Oak me go now.
19:09 Oak good night.
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