IRC log for #koha, 2011-10-18

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00:57 Irma jransom I will email you our eta & etd and hotel details
00:59 Irma jransom gosh I am REALLY looking forward to spending time together and to be at Kohacon2011 ....
01:05 Danielle \o
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02:47 Brooke kia ora
03:06 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7038 Contextual help is always in English <[…]d22005767b6f9e960> / Bug 7022: Move sample_notices* sql files from optional to mandatory <[…]6773b7f8662da79fd> / Fix for Bug 6983 - Item type filter on overdues report does not respect item-level_itypes <http
03:10 jenkins_koha Starting build 486 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #483 2 j 19 h ago)
03:18 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6954: z39.50 results highlighting not sticking <[…]fb898be14221a2319> / Fix for Bug 7043 - masthead_search id used twice in template <[…]93089e3d3e83ec1ec>
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03:28 Amit_Gupta heya chris
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03:58 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
03:58 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #486: FIXED in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/486/
03:58 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6983 - Item type filter on overdues report does not respect item-level_itypes
03:58 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7022: Move sample_notices* sql files from optional to mandatory
03:58 jenkins_koha * f.demians: Bug 7038 Contextual help is always in English
03:58 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 7043 - masthead_search id used twice in template
03:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6983 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Item type filter on overdues report does not respect item-level_itypes preference
03:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7022 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW , should sample_notices_message_attributes and sample_notices_message_transports move to mandatory?
03:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7038 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW , Contextual help is always in English
03:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7043 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , masthead_search id used twice in template
03:59 jenkins_koha Starting build 487 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
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04:15 Brooke 0/
04:15 Brooke salaam
04:15 Oak Walaikum Asalam Brooke! :)
04:17 Oak kia ora #koha
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04:45 Oak morning cait. breakfast?
04:46 cait a little later
04:46 cait morning Oak, morning #koha
04:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #487: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/487/
04:47 jenkins_koha ian.walls: Bug 6954: z39.50 results highlighting not sticking
04:47 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6954 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , z39.50 results highlighting not sticking
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05:46 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7026] Web installer does not switch language <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7026>
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06:01 indradg good morning #koha
06:03 indradg guys is the host ( down at the moment? I'm getting repeated time outs for the past 15 mins
06:03 Oak works here
06:03 indradg Oak, will check again then
06:03 cait works for me too
06:04 cait eythian was workingon the packages recently - not sure if something has changed perhaps?
06:04 * eythian checks
06:04 cait oh hi :)
06:05 eythian <-- works for me
06:05 Oak "Hello, IT. Have you tried turning it off and on again?" -- The IT Crowd
06:05 cait lol
06:05 eythian hi cait et al.
06:05 eythian it's the same server as the wiki, fwiw
06:05 Oak :)
06:06 indradg cait, getting the following error when i'm doing a apt-get update -
06:07 indradg everything else - / et al are working
06:07 indradg so dont think its a dns issue
06:07 eythian if you type 'HEAD', does that work?
06:08 eythian it's not a DNS issue, it's correctly looking up the DNS
06:09 indradg eythian, yep... i know its not a dns issue :) the update worked for me even yesterday... so... wondering
06:09 eythian does the HEAD command do something reasonable?
06:10 indradg ok... now wiki.koha-community does not work for me as well
06:11 eythian sounds like crazy network problems at your end. Do you have a proxy that's getting in your way?
06:11 Oak spooky
06:11 indradg hmmm... fwiw i managed to access the wiki just 1 hour back :(
06:11 indradg and the deb repo as well
06:12 eythian yeah, I'm going to say weirdo network things
06:12 indradg grrrr!!! this is frustrating! /me goes in search of the n/w admin
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06:13 kmkale Namaskaar #koha
06:13 eythian kmkale: hello there
06:13 kmkale Namaste eythian :)
06:14 cait bug 6893 is evil :(
06:14 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6893 critical, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , Order from suggestion does not remove suggestion from 'accepted' list
06:14 indradg kmkale, need a help
06:14 kmkale indradg: shoot
06:15 kmkale Namaste cait :)
06:15 cait hi kmkale
06:15 indradg kmkale, can you please confirm if or working for you atm?
06:15 kmkale indradg: 1 min
06:16 indradg kmkale, thanks :)
06:16 ropuch Morning #koha
06:16 indradg morning ropuch
06:17 kmkale indradg: nope. Its stuck at connecting to ...
06:17 Oak
06:17 indradg kmkale, hmmm... same for me
06:17 eythian Maybe India is having network issues :)
06:17 indradg eythian, possible
06:18 indradg kmkale, thanks man :)
06:19 kmkale indradg: no big deal. Are you coming over for kohacon11?
06:20 indradg kmkale, not sure yet... schedule is conflicting with a project deadline that got pushed back by a month :(
06:20 kmkale indradg: yay!!
06:22 cait morning ropuch :)
06:25 indradg Amit_Gupta, around?
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06:32 kmkale kohacon11 programme :[…]schedConf/program
06:32 kmkale Since I cant reach the wiki can anyone please put the above link in the kohacon11 page?
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06:34 alex_a hi
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06:40 reiveune hello
06:42 cait hi reiveune and alex_a :)
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06:58 mtj oooh!
06:58 mtj
06:59 hdl
06:59 hdl mtj: same but lighter.
07:00 kivilahtio Good mooorniing #Koha
07:00 mtj ?
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07:03 kivilahtio is there any kind of integration available to billing systems? You can define custom messages to be sent to patrons when they have items overdue. And you can define a custom message as a bill/fine for a lost item, but how do you track have the patrons paid their sent fines? For ex if I lost a book and after 4 months the library would send me a fine, charging me the price of a new book, billing costs and overdue fees. How does Koha track such
07:03 kivilahtio transactions? Or does it not?
07:03 hdl oops yep
07:04 mtj hdl:  both are new to me :)
07:04 mtj and Mojolicious::Lite too
07:04 mtj
07:05 mtj very tasty ;)
07:05 matts_away is now known as matts
07:05 Amit_Gupta heya indradg
07:05 indradg hi... can someone email me a copy of the ? the site is not being accessible from india
07:05 indradg Amit_Gupta, can you help ^^^
07:05 Amit_Gupta yes sure
07:08 mtj indradg:
07:09 indradg mtj, thanks a bunch!
07:10 indradg kmkale, looks like the connection failure to debian.koha-community is affecting BNSL and MTNL n/w... one of my remote locations on Airtel LL is connecting fine
07:11 mtj kivilahtio: billing is calculated from 'accountlines' table
07:11 indradg Amit_Gupta, tia.. problem solved for now :)
07:11 kivilahtio mtj: what does that mean?
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07:13 Amit_Gupta ok
07:13 Amit_Gupta fine
07:13 Amit_Gupta heya kmkale
07:14 Amit_Gupta heya mtj;)
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07:14 Oak Bonjour paul_p
07:15 paul_p hello everybody
07:18 kivilahtio mtj: how do you define a charge for a patron? And how is it added to the accountlines-table? How does it work, when a patron is fined a lost item?
07:20 mtj kivilahtio:  rtfm ?
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07:21 mtj http://manual.koha-community.o[…].html#patronfines
07:24 kivilahtio mtj: rtfm :)
07:24 kivilahtio sorry, searched with the wrong keywords
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07:25 mtj yep, all good :p
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07:26 magnuse kia ora #koha
07:26 magnuse @arewethereyet
07:26 wahanui rumour has it @arewethereyet is counting down the days until release
07:26 huginn` magnuse: Not yet - wait 4 days
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07:30 francharb morning all
07:30 magnuse bonjour francharb
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07:44 kf good morning #koha
07:45 magnuse guten morgen kf
07:45 kf hi magnuse :)
07:46 kivilahtio Seems like magnuse knows where everybody's from
07:47 magnuse anh, i just like to give that impression ;-)
07:47 magnuse and hyv�� p�iv��, kivilahtio
07:48 kivilahtio God morgen magnuse
07:48 magnuse s/anh/nah/
07:48 kivilahtio its morning there right?
07:49 magnuse in norway? yeah almost 10 in the morning
07:49 sophie_m hello magnuse kf and kivilahtio
07:49 magnuse bonjour sophie_m
07:50 kivilahtio ignore me, I was just spamming
07:50 magnuse @wunder boo
07:50 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 9.0�C (9:20 AM CEST on October 18, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.12 in 986 hPa (Falling).
07:51 kf hi sophie_m :)
07:51 kivilahtio
07:52 kivilahtio the conversation is getting rather private?
08:04 mtj kivilahtio: i like your voltaxx track ;)
08:05 kf hi mtj :)
08:05 kivilahtio "Protocol droids..."
08:05 kivilahtio so kewl�
08:06 indradg @wunder kolkata
08:06 huginn` indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 30.0�C (1:20 PM IST on October 18, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 25.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Falling).
08:06 indradg @wunder guwahati
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08:06 huginn` indradg: The current temperature in Gauhati, India is 30.0�C (11:30 AM IST on October 18, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa.
08:07 mtj hiya cait
08:08 mtj i'm doing some house-cleaning now, before india....
08:08 kf have fun in india :)
08:11 magnuse and please blog and tweet etc like crazy - for the rest of us... ;-)
08:14 kf what magnuse says
08:16 magnuse[…]schedConf/program sigh...
08:16 kf *sigh*
08:18 mtj yep, i will be taking *lots* of photos
08:18 mtj ... will put them on flickr, perhaps
08:18 magnuse oh, please do!
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08:29 mtj lots of photos of FOOD!!!!! :p
08:29 asaurat please take pictures of the food you'll be eating =)
08:29 asaurat ah, nice :)
08:29 mtj hot vegetable curries ... and beer
08:30 mtj thats what i'm looking for
08:30 magnuse i suspect you will find it...
08:30 mtj i hope so
08:31 asaurat maybe will you find the holy veggie grail : the Bhot Jolokia
08:31 mtj indian food in new zealand.. its never hot enough :/
08:31 mtj so, i want the real experience
08:32 * mtj writes down 'Bhot Jolokia' in his little book of food...
08:33 asaurat well, be careful that's hotter than "hot" 0:-)
08:33 mtj oooh, me scared!
08:33 mtj[…]okia_chili_pepper
08:35 mtj ok, but seriously.... what are some hot vegetarian indian dishes?
08:36 mtj does Maharashtra have any of these dishes?
08:36 kmkale mtj: in these parts that would be Veg Kolhapuri
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08:38 kmkale they make it in two varieties : one with redi gravy is using the normal red chili powder. The other in white variety is only available in a few speciality restaurants uses the white powder of the seeds inside the chili's. Man its HOT
08:38 mtj oooh, Kolhapur looks like my kind of place!
08:39 kmkale :) yep. About 6 to 8 hours drive from Thane. famous for its Mahalaxmi Temple.
08:39 kmkale and ofcourse HOT food.
08:39 kmkale :)
08:39 * mtj books a train to  Kolhapur.... :)
08:40 mtj ok, Veg kolhapuri is now my favourite dish :)
08:42 mtj ok, i gotta head off now folks
08:43 mtj see you in mumbai, Koustubha :)
08:43 asaurat bye mtj
08:44 mtj cya asaurat , thanx for the chilli info too :p
08:46 asaurat you're welcome, I'd looove to eat this raw :D
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10:04 kivilahtio Odd, I am unable to browse previously created baskets. I have two vendors, Booxy and BTJ. When browsing a vendor in vendor search, there are no order baskets visible, even if I have several baskets created and I even managed to get one visible on the basket groups page.
10:05 kivilahtio shouldnt the baskets be visible on the vendor search page, if I have created a basket, but havent closed it or emailed ot or whatever. The basket running id number keeps increasing, but I see no baskets.
10:05 kf kivilahtio: have you created the baskets, or another user?
10:06 kf are all items from the basket received?
10:06 kivilahtio no
10:06 kivilahtio no items received
10:06 kf hm
10:06 kf you should see them then in theory
10:06 kf oh
10:06 kf which version?
10:06 wahanui which version are you upgraing from ?
10:06 kf current master?
10:06 wahanui current master is probably broken.
10:06 kf wahanui: forget current master
10:06 wahanui kf: I forgot current master
10:06 kf !
10:06 kf not broken.
10:06 kf kivilahtio: are you running a very new master?
10:06 kf branch?
10:06 wahanui branch is a little more complicated
10:07 kf wahanui forget branch
10:07 wahanui kf: I forgot branch
10:07 kivilahtio I am running 3.4
10:07 kivilahtio i am logged in as a superuser
10:07 kivilahtio I am logged in to a library
10:07 kf ok
10:07 kf ah
10:07 kf superuser or superlibrarian?
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10:07 kf you should never use the root user that is created during install
10:08 kf only to create yourself a real user
10:08 kivilahtio well the default user you create during installation, I guess it is the superuser
10:08 kivilahtio but should it make any difference?
10:09 kivilahtio I couldnt find a bug in the bugzilla
10:09 kivilahtio considering this acquisitions problem
10:09 kf yes
10:10 kf don't use that user
10:10 kf it's as simple as that :)
10:10 kf it's not made for use in koha, it has no real borrowernumber
10:10 kf and no patron data
10:10 kf it will cause problems
10:10 kivilahtio ok
10:10 kivilahtio well lets try with some "real" librarian
10:10 kf so normally, log in after install witht hat user, create a branch, a staff patron category, a user with that and give him permissions - then use that user from then on
10:11 kivilahtio ok
10:11 kivilahtio will do a user avatar for meself
10:11 kf make sure you give them permissions - superlibrarian normally
10:12 kivilahtio ok
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10:22 kivilahtio Ok the superlibrarian fix solved all these issues
10:22 kf cool :)
10:22 kivilahtio I think this too was written in the manual
10:22 kivilahtio rtfm
10:22 kf hehe
10:22 kf glad it worked
10:22 kivilahtio me too
10:22 kf visibility of baskets will also be controlled by a syspref in 3.6
10:22 kf got in yesterday
10:23 kivilahtio thats cool
10:23 kf so you can limit which baskets people see, their own, all branch, or system wide
10:23 kivilahtio kf: do you know of any integrations to finance software?
10:24 kivilahtio like to make koha see when the money has rolled on the library account?
10:24 kivilahtio and automate ePayment processes?
10:25 kf sorry no
10:25 kivilahtio ok
10:26 kivilahtio but thanks a gazillion kf
10:26 kivilahtio will look into something else now.
10:26 magnuse kf++
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10:33 kf :)
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11:35 Danielle \o
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11:48 magnuse o/
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11:54 Schwitzd Hi all!
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11:54 asaurat hi Schwitzd
11:54 Schwitzd I have a problem printing labels
11:55 Schwitzd anybody that can helpme?
11:55 Schwitzd asaurat: hi!
11:55 Schwitzd asaurat: you have time to help me?
11:57 asaurat the thing is, I just cannot help, I don't know Koha very well yet, and never tried printing any label
11:58 Schwitzd ah oky
11:58 asaurat but you should find someone to help you here :)
12:00 asaurat you still can explain your problem, and let everyone know!
12:02 Schwitzd This is my problem: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]2781p4912781.html
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12:03 magnuse Schwitzd: i'm afraid i don't know label printing anough to help you, but a standard question is: what version of Koha?
12:06 Schwitzd 3.04.01
12:10 slef Schwitzd: it looks like a template problem but I'd need more time to figure it out (I'm not a librarian) and I'm stuck in the previous template code for the next couple of hours :(
12:11 slef Schwitzd: what are your layout settings?
12:12 Schwitzd slef: this are my settings[…]s/818/configz.png
12:12 slef Schwitzd: that's your template.
12:12 slef Schwitzd: what are your layout settings?
12:13 slef Schwitzd: like in http://manual.koha-community.o[…]html#labellayouts
12:13 slef Also I think some barcode encodings don't like letters but I forget which.
12:14 slef back after lunch (30-60mins)
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12:16 Schwitzd slef:[…]/843/layoutst.png
12:17 Schwitzd slef: thanks a lot :)
12:19 ropuch Schwitzd: barcode gemerator have some problems with encoded chars
12:20 Schwitzd ropuch: and what I have to do?
12:21 ropuch Give me sec, I'm too using 8x3 layout in my library, I;ll check my relust for your template/layout settings
12:24 Schwitzd ok
12:26 ropuch hm
12:27 magnuse hm, there's no simple "just click here" for editing all items related to one record, right? you'd have to get the barcodes or item numbers into a file and use "Batch item modification"?
12:27 ropuch I know
12:28 oleonard magnuse: That's a nice idea for a feature: batch mod all this record's items
12:29 ropuch Schwitzd: try with this in layout datafield: title,'.',  author, '.', isbn, '.', itemcallnumber
12:29 magnuse oleonard: i'll take that as a no then ;-)
12:30 oleonard As far as I know magnuse
12:30 * oleonard thinks this idea has been floated before, we really should bug it if it hasn't been
12:31 magnuse sounds like a good idea - must confes i didn't search bz
12:31 Schwitzd ropuch: nothing... is add only a line with a .
12:31 Schwitzd but the barcode is in the midlle
12:32 Schwitzd and the the is under the barcode....
12:32 oleonard magnuse:[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6546
12:32 huginn` Bug 6546: enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Batch modification tool should accept a biblionumber
12:32 oleonard I guess I did. That was my take on it magnuse
12:32 magnuse nice, thanks oleonard
12:32 oleonard (4 months ago) :)
12:36 ropuch Schwitzd:[…]8/labellayout.png
12:37 ropuch Schwitzd: try this layout
12:37 ropuch Schwitzd: not perfect one, but should give you a reasonable start
12:39 Schwitzd ropuch: with
12:40 Schwitzd ropuch: which one?
12:40 wahanui which one is it
12:41 ropuch Schwitzd: one from my link above
12:42 oleonard Pipe down wahanui
12:42 Schwitzd oky
12:42 Schwitzd ropuch: one other question is possible to insert a blank line and a bold line in the label?
12:44 ropuch Schwitzd: I don't know about bold line, but for the "blank" line I'm using '.'
12:44 ropuch ' ' seems to be ignored
12:44 Schwitzd is coming a line with a dot
12:44 Schwitzd not a blank line
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12:51 ropuch Schwitzd: yup, but dot is the best I could think off ;>
12:58 Schwitzd ropuch:[…]s/338/hc001k.png/
12:59 Schwitzd ropuch: 'HUGO BOSS Ticino Library', '.', title, author, itemcallnumber
13:01 Schwitzd ah oky
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13:02 libsysguy If I created a remote branch on github and pushed my branch to it, then I want to pull the latest changes from master how would I change back to check master instead of github
13:04 magnuse huh, in 3.4.5, whenver i try to move from step 2 to step 3 of the guided reports i get a nasty "Undefined subroutine &C4::Reports::Guided::themelanguage called at /home/magnus/kohanor32/C4/Reports/ line 714." anyone else seeing that? i don't get it with current master
13:04 kf hm
13:04 magnuse libsysguy: you'd have different names for them, like "github" and maybe "origin" for
13:04 kf no, not seen that before
13:04 kf yep
13:04 libsysguy yeah i am going to try and use --track
13:04 kf and git rebase <localname>/branch
13:05 libsysguy and magnuse I haven't run across that
13:06 slef libsysguy: change back to check master? git checkout master ?
13:06 wahanui slef: that doesn't look right
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13:06 slef wahanui: you suck!
13:06 wahanui slef: what?
13:06 magnuse hm, i don't see it in another installation running 3.4.3 either...
13:07 slef magnuse: looks like a candidate for git diff
13:07 magnuse slef: yup
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13:14 ropuch Is there a way to insert blank line between fileds in label layout?
13:33 kf hm perhaps something like \n?
13:33 libsysguy <br />?
13:33 * kf is only guessing
13:34 libsysguy ^^
13:34 kf we are not using the labels
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13:42 rangi morning
13:42 magnuse g'day rangi
13:42 oleonard Hi rangi, what's going on today?
13:43 kf morning :)
13:43 rangi i have dim sum at 10am with a bunch of evergreen folks (from sitka
13:44 maximep weird to see you around at this hour =)
13:44 rangi and some of the organisers of the conference
13:44 rangi and then i have a big shopping list from my wife for ikea
13:44 oleonard Hopefully not too big.
13:44 kf hehe
13:45 magnuse no ikea in nz??
13:46 rangi nope
13:46 kf wow
13:46 kf what do you have to buy?
13:46 magnuse hmf
13:46 rangi everything!
13:47 magnuse new kitchen, bed, sofa...
13:47 rangi she printed the pictures
13:47 magnuse heh
13:47 rangi ill just hand it to some ikea person
13:47 rangi and say, find me all this please
13:47 rangi ill be over there eating meatballs
13:48 magnuse good plan
13:49 rangi i think ill have to buy a bigger bag
13:50 * magnuse wonders if that last comment for bug 6755 should have been a new bug...
13:50 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6755 major, PATCH-Sent, ---,, ASSIGNED , Problems with switching languages
13:50 * rangi looks
13:52 rangi i think its ok magnuse might just need to ping chris_n
13:52 magnuse thanks
13:52 oleonard NZ's lack of an Ikea is our gain: another reason for rangi to visit
13:53 magnuse hey, we have ikea too! ;-)
13:53 rangi hehe
13:53 magnuse and we're only half a world away...
13:53 rangi you are close to the first ikea eh magnuse , well lots closer than me
13:54 magnuse probably
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13:54 magnuse but we're still waiting for their first shop in northern norway...
13:54 chris_n magnuse: that's fine, just add me to the cc list on the bug so I'll get a reminder
13:54 matts is now known as matts_away
13:55 rangi paul_p: you should try xmonad sometime :)
13:56 rangi libsysguy++ # working on 5549
13:56 kf lots of ikeas here... .)
13:56 libsysguy thanks rangi
13:57 magnuse chris_n: done, thanks
13:59 chris_n rangi: to merge master with a local working branch I checkout the working branch and 'git pull origin master', right?
13:59 rangi i do it the long way
14:00 rangi i do
14:00 magnuse kf is actually closer than me to the first ikea :-)
14:00 rangi checkout the branch
14:00 kf I am?
14:00 rangi git fetch origin
14:00 kf another reason to visit Germany!
14:00 rangi git merge origin/master
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14:00 rangi but pull should do the same thing
14:01 chris_n cool, and merge should keep the history intact
14:01 libsysguy yeah pull does the fetch and merge in one whack
14:01 chris_n I assume
14:01 rangi libsysguy: it does, unless you have told pull to do rebase instead
14:02 rangi which you can do with git config
14:02 rangi so i just got in the habit of doing it long hand
14:02 libsysguy i do too
14:02 rangi chris_n: it does, no rewriting of history like rebase
14:03 rangi rebase is perfect for unpublished branches
14:03 rangi not so good for published
14:03 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Updating perl version required to match reality <[…]d3bd86731d61ee0d7>
14:04 * chris_n is scripting up some foo to keep a working branch in sync with the master branch and push it up to a public repo every midnight
14:04 chris_n so rebase is no good there
14:04 rangi yeah you dont want that
14:04 chris_n +1 for the perl version update
14:05 chris_n very quick
14:05 rangi figured id do it while i remembered
14:06 kf rangi++ :)
14:06 kf oleonard: aroundß
14:06 kf ?
14:06 oleonard Yes
14:06 kf yay :)
14:06 rangi you and your crazy ß
14:06 kf sorry, it's the same key as ?
14:07 kf only shift makes the diff
14:07 rangi hehe just kidding
14:07 kf :)
14:07 rangi oh
14:07 rangi so where is / then?
14:07 kf on 7
14:07 rangi what?
14:07 oleonard so where is & then?
14:07 rangi then where is &
14:07 kf 6
14:07 oleonard ....
14:07 rangi this could go on all day
14:07 rangi :)
14:07 kf probably
14:07 * magnuse is with kf so far
14:07 rangi how about ^
14:07 wahanui ^ is what I think too
14:08 wizzyrea i like how agreeable wahanui is
14:08 kf hm first key first row, together with °
14:08 magnuse here's a pic of the first ikea - looks like they are waiting for someone we know ;-)
14:08 rangi thats just crazy talk
14:08 magnuse my ^ is to the right of � ;-)
14:08 kf it's not my fault that your keyboards lack several keys
14:08 * wizzyrea boggles
14:08 magnuse and the pic:[…]Store_Elmhult.jpg
14:09 wizzyrea LOL
14:09 wizzyrea HERE NOOBS
14:09 wizzyrea :)
14:09 wizzyrea ping trea
14:09 wizzyrea click that :P
14:09 rangi hehe
14:09 * wizzyrea wonders what it means in swedish?
14:10 magnuse or maybe they have a separate entrance?
14:10 libsysguy Swedish you say?
14:10 libsysguy libsysguy
14:10 wizzyrea we are speshul
14:10 wahanui you are, like, Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck
14:10 magnuse wizzyrea: you don't know?!?
14:10 wizzyrea kekeke
14:10 wizzyrea enter?
14:10 libsysguy ja ja ja
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14:10 magnuse wizzyrea: it means sale...
14:10 wizzyrea sale.
14:10 wizzyrea Cute
14:10 wizzyrea hehe
14:10 libsysguy I wish my gf was here…she could tell me
14:11 chris_n well, cherry-pick will probably be better for the preservation of attrition
14:11 magnuse is now known as magnus_afk
14:11 magnus_afk see y'all later
14:11 libsysguy later
14:11 * wizzyrea can't be bought
14:11 wizzyrea my head just exploded.
14:11 libsysguy thanks for bringing up Ikea….now I want meatballs
14:12 wizzyrea omg meatballs.
14:12 libsysguy they are the most delicious meatballs you will ever eat
14:12 oleonard Thanks for bringing up Ikea, now I want a block of napkins the size of my head.
14:12 libsysguy oleonard:  i think you mean napkin rings
14:12 rangi oleonard: those are called istad idgran ducktig lexberg
14:12 chris_n opps, attribution rather
14:12 * rangi makes stuff up
14:12 wizzyrea dangit, thanks for bringing up meatballs, now I want ostkaka
14:13 wizzyrea I know that doesn't have the proper dots and whatnot
14:13 libsysguy i got in trouble at work the other day for calling the dots pricks
14:13 oleonard Coincidentally rangi, I just made up an Ikea/Google game: Google "Ikea" + random gibberish. whoever gets a real hit wins.
14:13 libsysguy but that is what my gf and her mom call them
14:13 wizzyrea
14:13 rangi hehe
14:13 wizzyrea hehehe
14:14 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6949: cannot remove owner from fund <[…]41aab21e8c2647250>
14:14 rangi yay
14:14 rangi that bug sucked
14:14 kf I have something nice and small to sign-off...
14:14 libsysguy wizzyrea: Margo informed me they are called umlauts
14:14 wizzyrea i thought so, but I didn't want to get it wrong :P
14:14 kf ?
14:15 libsysguy yeah well apparently we have to be professional at work...
14:15 * wizzyrea prefers pricks
14:15 wizzyrea wait.
14:15 rangi hmm what was that quote by slef
14:15 * wizzyrea dies
14:15 rangi oh!
14:15 kf bug 7027
14:16 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7027 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW , Corrections to German web installer txt files
14:16 wizzyrea lol stop being so entertaining
14:16 libsysguy lord wizzyrea control yourself hehe
14:16 kf bug 7049
14:16 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7049 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW , Item form on order receive has lots of blank space
14:16 * kf advertises
14:16 oleonard
14:16 wizzyrea libsysguy: you should take your gf to lindsborg
14:16 wizzyrea on a festival day
14:16 libsysguy omg oleonard thats amazing
14:16 wizzyrea that's lindsborg kansas
14:17 libsysguy ohhh haha
14:17 libsysguy is that a small
14:17 libsysguy Swedish settlement
14:17 wizzyrea yep
14:18 libsysguy nice
14:18 wizzyrea I lol'd
14:18 libsysguy is that our chris :p
14:19 wizzyrea hehe no
14:19 libsysguy sad day
14:19 rangi its true tho
14:19 rangi hehe
14:19 wizzyrea keke
14:19 wizzyrea ohhhh morning rangi! this is weird!
14:19 libsysguy that is what I thought
14:19 rangi my only claim to fame is the updated bug reports from last night
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14:19 wizzyrea alright dangit.
14:19 libsysguy but when you work in the basement you lose all track of time
14:20 wizzyrea I gotta like, do work and stuff
14:20 libsysguy oh class is over…bbl
14:20 wizzyrea you were NOT paying attention.
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14:20 wizzyrea naughty.
14:20 kf wizzyrea: rangi made me do it
14:21 wizzyrea well that is the answer to everything, isn't it
14:21 rangi[…]atus-of-300-bugs/
14:21 wizzyrea hehe
14:21 slef rangi: what was the quote about?
14:21 slef Ikea or professionalism?
14:21 rangi professionals are ruining it for artisans
14:22 slef heh, that sounds like me
14:22 wizzyrea screw you windows and your .net framework updates.
14:22 wizzyrea you make babies cry,
14:22 slef wizzyrea: you've heard the weird al windows Start It Up song, right?
14:22 * wizzyrea will look it up
14:22 slef NSFW
14:23 wizzyrea it seems likely that I have heard it but it's not popping into my head
14:23 * wizzyrea has pretty cool work.
14:23 wizzyrea and headphones.
14:23 slef yeah but "you make a rich man cum"
14:23 slef would test most works if played on speakers
14:23 wizzyrea hmm
14:23 wizzyrea see: headphones ^.^
14:23 slef yeah
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14:25 sekhar hi good morning.
14:26 sekhar i am looking for some help regarding fines and circulation rules?
14:26 kf why does this feel like friday? :)
14:26 sekhar any volunteers?
14:26 kf sekhar: ask your questions :)
14:26 kf someone who knows will answer probably .)
14:26 sekhar thanks.
14:27 sekhar we had a koha setup for our private circulation library.
14:27 sekhar and we charge customers on monthly basis depending on number of books.
14:27 sekhar something like 1/2/3/ books they can subscribe any time, any number of times in a month.
14:28 kf hm
14:28 kf I would set them up with an expiration time of one month
14:28 sekhar or at any point of time they can have 1/2/3 books with them and can do any number of check in or check outs.
14:28 kf I think that's the only way to do it right now
14:28 kf and when renewing them, the fine will be put on the account
14:28 sekhar but at the end of the month they have to pay a monthly reading fee.
14:28 kf oh
14:28 kf on number of books
14:28 kf ignore what I said.
14:29 rangi yeah, there's not really any way to do that
14:29 sekhar 1. I tried to use Fines and Circulation rules module. It is possible to
14:30 rangi you could fudge it by making a different borrower category for each type
14:30 rangi and make rules for that
14:30 sekhar is there any way to simulate thi s in Koha.
14:30 rangi but the charge you'd have to do with a manual invoice
14:30 sekhar can you please explain.
14:31 rangi koha is not designed to work this way at all, so it would be fudging it
14:31 rangi for each possible type of borrower
14:31 rangi ie ones that are allowed 1 or 2 or 3 books
14:31 rangi you would make a category
14:31 rangi then assign the borrower to that category
14:32 rangi and make circ rules for it
14:32 rangi BUT
14:32 sekhar correct.
14:32 sekhar i did like that.
14:32 rangi although there is code in koha to stop a borrower having more than x number out at a time
14:32 sekhar i created each category but with no fines.
14:32 rangi no code exists to limit how many checkouts
14:33 rangi that simply wont work with development
14:33 rangi without
14:33 sekhar now at the end of the month, i have to check offline whether they paid the monthly reading fee or not and then issue books.
14:33 sekhar this is becoming tough.
14:33 sekhar as you said is there any way to fudge it?
14:33 rangi no
14:34 rangi that is the fudge
14:34 sekhar sorry
14:34 rangi the way to make it work, is to develop code to handle this, and get it into koha
14:34 sekhar i didn't catch what you were trying to say..
14:34 sekhar ok :-)
14:35 sekhar any workaround?
14:35 sekhar hope my requirement is clear to you?
14:35 rangi yes its clear, koha cant do it as it stands the workaround is to do it with manual invoices in koha, it cant automatically do it
14:35 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5995] Glitch with checkauth <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5995>
14:37 sekhar true. is it possible to have automatic recurring invoices for each patron?
14:38 rangi you can do that with the expiration date thin kf suggested
14:38 rangi make each category have a monthly expiry
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14:39 sekhar yes. that is what we are doing now. if we have more patrons then it becomes tough.
14:39 libsysguy back
14:40 rangi sekhar: dev work is the real answer
14:40 rangi anything else is just piling mess on top
14:40 kf you have to work what exists in koha - charge fee (will be charged on checkout), patron account management fee (on renewal or creation of account)
14:40 sekhar true.
14:41 sekhar it is tough to sell per book fee...monthly fee is more ideal for us...
14:42 sekhar as other libraries around also do the same...
14:44 wizzyrea you could delete the borrower every time and charge an account management fee every time you create a patron
14:44 wizzyrea but, possibly lots of unnecessary data entry
14:45 wizzyrea how busy are you?
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14:46 sekhar the library is maintained by couple of people and as you said everytime this creates more confusion.
14:47 sekhar every time new id, new
14:52 libsysguy sekjal
14:52 libsysguy you around
14:52 sekjal libsysguy:  yes, I'm here
14:52 libsysguy hey I was going to ask you about those .po files you mentioned in the hourly ticket
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14:52 libsysguy I wasn't sure what to do about them
14:52 sekjal libsysguy:   yeah, they're not usually changed in git patches
14:53 sekjal that's handled by the translation portion
14:53 vfernandes hi Koha community
14:53 libsysguy ahh so they'll change again in @countdown
14:53 libsysguy dang...I was sure that would tell me how many days to release
14:54 rangi @arewethereyet
14:54 wahanui i think @arewethereyet is counting down the days until release
14:54 huginn` rangi: Not yet - wait 4 days
14:55 libsysguy rangi++
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14:56 libsysguy is anybody else getting an error on a blank search for a vendor from acquisitions
14:58 rhcl K�ttbullar
14:58 kf köttbullar
14:58 slef köttbullar?
14:58 rangi wow i forgot how bad starbucks coffee is
14:59 rangi thats the last time i go there
14:59 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #488: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/488/
14:59 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Updating perl version required to match reality
14:59 rhcl[…]bullarRecipe.html
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14:59 slef rangi: first choice co-op, 2nd Tim Hortons?
14:59 jenkins_koha Starting build 489 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:59 rangi i did tim hortons yesterday
14:59 slef rangi: are you still in BC?
14:59 rhcl rangi: not as bad as it used to be several years ago before they "milded" out their formula
14:59 rangi yup, only got here on sunday
14:59 rangi here until next sunday
14:59 slef just beware their frappés... sugar bombs
15:00 rangi hmm there is a co-op here?
15:00 slef Vancouver?
15:00 rangi i should walk to the art gallerey where all the occupy vancouver ppl are
15:00 rangi they have an espresso thing set up
15:01 sekjal rangi: about where are you in the city?
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15:02 slef Vancouver is home to and the local uni has a co-op studies dept, so there should be quite a few.
15:02 rangi hyatt regency, where the conference is
15:02 reiveune bye
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15:02 rangi right in the city centre
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15:03 sekjal tried Caffe Artigiano yet this trip?
15:03 rangi oh not yet
15:03 kf bbiab
15:04 rangi ill try that
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15:04 sekjal I don't have personal experience with them, but I get the impression they'd be worth a look
15:04 * rangi only got starbucks this morning cos its in the hotel
15:04 sekjal ah
15:05 rangi tomorrow ill be less lazy :)
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15:06 rangi wb oleonard
15:07 * oleonard is trying to set up another connection between VirtualBox guest and host
15:07 rangi ah
15:07 sekjal for bug 6945, I'd like an ID attribute on the element that wraps the new Show MARC Preview, so libraries could have the option to hide it if they don't want to see it
15:07 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6945 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, pelletiermaxime, ASSIGNED , Add a link to show a MARC preview in the normal view
15:07 sekjal is that reason enough to fail QA, or am I being unreasonably nitpicky?
15:08 maximep so bored right now that I could modify my patch
15:08 oleonard I wouldn't say it should fail QA
15:08 rangi yeah i think pass qa and ask for a followup
15:08 sekjal okay, will do!
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15:09 rangi oh hey
15:10 rangi i have some american money in my wallet from ALA, i bet i can use that here and get dirty looks
15:10 rangi maybe ill just save it for next ALA
15:11 nengard :)
15:13 * oleonard hopes it will still be worth something
15:13 rangi hehe
15:14 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7051 de-nesting C4::Reserve, 1st step <[…]fe841816cd4688047> / Bug 7037 de-nesting C4/ <[…]c1245ad1588147e35> / Bug 7036 de-nesting C4::Circulation <[…]ecabb27e7d4f562ec
15:14 slef I still remember an aussie making cracks about "the mighty New Zealand peso" about a decade ago.
15:15 libsysguy database question: what does authorisedby do in aqbasket
15:15 libsysguy it looks like a borrowernumber
15:15 rangi i think stores the id of the librarian who opened the basket
15:16 rangi slef: yeah it was about 48cents to the USD then
15:16 rangi 79 now
15:16 libsysguy yeah that is what I thought rangi...but I have an id in there that doesn't exist in the borrowers table
15:17 slef libsysguy: it's probably spelt b u g
15:17 libsysguy NOOOO
15:17 rangi apparently the patriot act made it much harder to launder money using US$ .. which meant a lot more trading in the euro instead, which helped the dive of the USD
15:18 rangi law of unintended consequences
15:18 oleonard Maybe Greece could get into that business somehow...
15:18 rangi heh
15:18 rangi doesnt actually help the economy
15:19 rangi just the price of your money
15:19 sekjal libsysguy:  aqbaskets.authorisedby is not actually linked to borrowers.borrowernumber
15:19 rangi organised crime otoh ....
15:19 sekjal it's just a varchar(10) that gets populated with borrowernumber (usually)
15:20 nengard rangi, you gonna push the next batch of patches in bug 6716?
15:20 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6716 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Database Documentation
15:20 nengard while we're talking about db documentation?
15:20 nengard :)
15:20 rangi probably
15:20 rangi but not today
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15:20 rangi maybe tonight
15:20 cait back
15:21 rangi it requires dropping and rebuiling the db each time
15:21 rangi so takes a little while
15:21 nengard got it!
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15:29 libsysguy sekjal isn't that generally a bad idea
15:30 sekjal libsysguy:  not having the foreign key between aqbasket and borrowers?
15:31 nengard polling the community - what tutorial videos do you want to see? no video is too small - just did one on changing your password in the OPAC :)
15:31 libsysguy yes
15:31 sekjal libsysguy:  the connection probably should be there, yes, but we'd need to verify in the code that it absolutely SHOULD be
15:31 rangi have you done one on tagging/comments in the opac?
15:31 sekjal and what happens on borrower delete?
15:32 libsysguy yeah well thats the problem that I ran into sekjal
15:32 sekjal is it set null?  to a specific value?  cascade deleted?
15:32 sekjal probably shouldn't be cascaded
15:32 libsysguy a borrowerer got deleted and I got an error of an undef hashref
15:32 libsysguy yeah cascaded would be a bad idea
15:32 libsysguy unless we can set up some kind of heirchy
15:32 libsysguy so when a librarian gets deleted then it goes to their superior
15:33 sekjal hmmm
15:33 libsysguy and eventually to kohaadmin
15:33 rangi to start with
15:33 rangi we should just make the delete check
15:33 rangi and say
15:33 rangi hey
15:33 rangi this person owns 8 baskets
15:33 rangi please shift them, then delete
15:33 libsysguy true
15:33 libsysguy that would be the easiest
15:34 sekjal I don't think there is interface to change basket owner, is there?
15:34 sekjal fund/budget owner, yes
15:34 sekjal but not basket
15:34 paul_p sekjal: seems we both are QAing not (still 1H for me)
15:34 paul_p sekjal: i'll write here which bug i'm working on
15:35 paul_p sekjal: QAing 56116 now
15:35 paul_p (5616)
15:35 oleonard paul_p: Perhaps you could answer my question on Bug 5725?
15:35 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5725 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Batch modifications for Biblios
15:35 cait sekjal: I don't think there is - not sure there should be
15:36 paul_p oleonard: ok, will check after 5616
15:36 cait sekjal: the basket is created by someone... so that's logged
15:36 libsysguy cait there is one that is logged...but lets say the creator gets deleted
15:36 libsysguy (this just happened to me)
15:36 libsysguy it totally breaks vendor searching
15:37 cait oh
15:37 cait that's not good
15:37 cait but should it break it?
15:37 cait is oyur borrower still in deleted_borrowers?
15:39 sekjal paul_p:  looking at bug 6296
15:39 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6296 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Allow authentication to Koha via PKI / x.509 certificates
15:39 libsysguy yes they were cait
15:39 libsysguy i didn't know that table existed
15:40 rangi we rarely delete delete anything
15:40 rangi as soon as you do, someone says i really needed that
15:40 rangi and disk is cheaper than sanity
15:41 libsysguy indeed
15:44 libsysguy oh what was your suggestion for the .po files?
15:44 cait we probably need a way to delete them one day, so things should not depend too strongly to it
15:44 cait libsysguy: remove them :)
15:44 cait from the patch
15:45 * cait is not sekjal, but knows po files...over 6000 terms still waiting
15:45 cait *sighs*
15:45 libsysguy if sekjal is pulling from my branch wouldn't it be better if he did it?
15:45 libsysguy its not really a patch
15:45 libsysguy its really too big for that
15:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #489: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/489/
15:47 jenkins_koha ian.walls: Bug 6949: cannot remove owner from fund
15:47 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6949 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW , can't remove owner from budget
15:47 jenkins_koha Starting build 490 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:51 * rangi heads out to meet ppl in the lobby
15:51 rangi cyas later
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15:57 sekjal libsysguy:  if you removed the .po files from the branch with a followup commit, I'd be very grateful :)
15:59 libsysguy cool i can do that
16:02 libsysguy can I just remove the translator directory?
16:04 libsysguy or I guess I can just run rm -rf | find -name '*.po'
16:05 liw that'd be find -name '*.po' -delete
16:07 libsysguy liw++
16:08 libsysguy sekjal its pushed
16:08 sekjal thanks, libsysguy, I'll pull the updates shortly
16:08 libsysguy np and thanks
16:08 sekjal (testing 6253 right now)
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16:09 sekjal bug 6253
16:09 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6253 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Unified Patron Search subroutine
16:09 sekjal wizzyrea:  did your testing include checking branchcode/categorycode limits to search?
16:09 wizzyrea yes
16:09 wizzyrea why is it not working anymore?
16:09 sekjal haven't pulled yet
16:09 wizzyrea oh
16:09 wizzyrea k
16:09 sekjal just didn't see it in your report
16:10 * sekjal is lazy
16:10 wizzyrea From:
16:10 wizzyrea
16:10 wizzyrea
16:10 wizzyrea Patron search limited by branch: Works
16:10 wizzyrea Patron search limited by patron category: works
16:10 wizzyrea Ordering by cardnumber instead of surname: works
16:10 wizzyrea The "Check Out" field in the masthead.
16:10 sekjal ah
16:10 wizzyrea[…]g.cgi?id=6253#c24
16:10 huginn` Bug 6253: normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , Unified Patron Search subroutine
16:10 libsysguy i love when sekjal asks a question about...did it work for you...the automatic response by me is...omg he found something I missed
16:10 wizzyrea :)
16:10 * sekjal is so lazy he doesn't read things thoroughly enough :(
16:10 wizzyrea aw
16:10 wizzyrea is ok :)
16:11 sekjal I blame the typhoid
16:11 libsysguy doesn't that just come with the CS degree territory
16:11 wizzyrea that
16:11 sekjal libsysguy:  lol
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16:13 paul_p oleonard: answered (& submitted small follow-up) for 5725
16:14 paul_p sekjal: please check 6285, because this small 1 line patch has been rejected twice by rangi as self-QAed (by me).
16:15 sekjal paul_p:  checking bug 6285
16:15 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6285 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , overdues csv columns
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16:15 paul_p sekjal: checking 6989
16:20 paul_p sekjal: checking 7074
16:20 paul_p oups, 7045
16:22 sekjal paul_p:  6285 passes
16:27 paul_p sekjal: OK, time to go back home for me. Have a good day.
16:27 sekjal you, too, paul_p!
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16:28 * paul_p almost has decided to switch back to something-but-not-unity...
16:29 slef paul_p: go debian :)
16:29 * slef starts the MOIBTYing
16:30 * paul_p hates some things like : "how to minimize windows ? "( not by clicking on their widget on the left : once it's on the front, no way to put them backwards). "How to launch a software not in the launcher "click, click, click, click, click, click, select, click". Ouch... nothing faster ?. No, sorry. How to have launchers with sub-launchers ? sorry, does not exist
16:30 paul_p ...
16:31 slef wahanui: MOIBTY is My OS Is Better Than Yours (no, I don't know why the S is missing)
16:31 wahanui OK, slef.
16:31 slef paul_p: I've missed out the pleasure of unity so far
16:31 sekjal wizzyrea:  multi-part patron name search is not working properly for me with 6253
16:31 slef paul_p: I don't even understand what you mean by "launcher" and "sub-launcher" yet.
16:31 wizzyrea interesting, it worked for me
16:31 wizzyrea but that was weeks ago
16:32 sekjal I'm trying to search for the second word in a surname, and it fails
16:32 paul_p slef: some good/nice ideas. But definetly for my father or mother,or sister, or wife, but not for a geek like me !
16:32 wizzyrea so like henry james acevedo III
16:32 wizzyrea if you search for III
16:32 wizzyrea you get nothing?
16:33 sekjal I was using Interlibrary Loan libraries as my example
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16:33 sekjal because any patron of Organization user type doesn't have firstname show up in the interface
16:33 sekjal only surname
16:33 slef paul_p: not sure I agree with that. Geeks should use friendly systems so it doesn't scare people looking over their shoulder; other users should be allowed to do geekish things if they want to.
16:33 sekjal surname = "Memorial Sloan Kettering Library".  searches for "sloan kettering" fail
16:34 wizzyrea what about regular patron types
16:34 sekjal this also fails in surname
16:34 sekjal errr, firstname
16:34 wizzyrea well, I guess it fails then.
16:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #490: SUCCESS in 47 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/490/
16:34 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7034: de-nesting C4/
16:34 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7035 de-nesting C4::ClassSource & ClassSortRoutine
16:34 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7036 de-nesting C4::Circulation
16:34 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7037 de-nesting C4/
16:34 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7051 de-nesting C4::Reserve, 1st step
16:34 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7034 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , De-nesting C4::Branch
16:34 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7035 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , de-nesting C4/ and C4/
16:34 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7036 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , remove 'use C4::Koha' from C4/Circulation
16:34 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7037 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Remove 'use C4::Circulation' from C4::Print
16:34 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7051 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Unnecessary C4::Search dependency in C4::Reserves
16:34 * wizzyrea gives up on that one
16:34 slef @seen fdamien
16:34 huginn` slef: I have not seen fdamien.
16:34 slef @seen fdamiens
16:34 huginn` slef: I have not seen fdamiens.
16:34 slef @seen fdamians
16:34 huginn` slef: I have not seen fdamians.
16:34 wizzyrea is now known as wizzyrea_away
16:34 sekjal Carol Enderlog Patronsky.  Can search for Carol and Carol Enderlog, but not just 'Enderlog'
16:34 slef oh what's his nick?
16:35 slef oic
16:35 slef fredericd: email from magnus_afk on koha-translate Thu, 13 Oct 2011 15:42:28 +0200 unanswered?
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16:42 sekjal wizzyrea:  what do you think:  is not having 'inner name' searching in either field acceptable?
16:42 sekjal I mean, this patch is an overall improvment
16:43 magnus_afk slef: i got the answer and the permissions, but probably not on the list
16:43 sekjal and inner name search doesn't work in master, anyway
16:43 sekjal so, it's not a regression
16:43 sekjal I may actually be Scope Creeping this particular patch, which is unfair
16:44 wizzyrea_away is now known as wizzyrea
16:44 wizzyrea well... inner searching is probably an ultimate goal
16:45 wizzyrea and it didn't work before...
16:46 * sekjal again floats the idea of create Patron Frameworks in XML, and indexing with Zebra
16:47 slef magnus_afk: yeah, it wasn
16:47 slef t on the list
16:47 slef What idiot put apostrophe next to enter?
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16:47 slef hi nengard
16:47 nengard hi
16:47 wahanui que tal, nengard
16:48 slef I got a request to approve you on networked blogs, but when I clicked throught, it wanted me to give the bloody thing permission to access my facebook account. That can go get bent ;-)
16:48 nengard is now known as nengard_lunch
16:48 magnus_afk slef: Mr. Qwerty, i presume
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17:02 cait slef: where you looking for fredericd?
17:04 sekjal wehoo!  down to 21 bug reports in the 'signed off' queue for QA
17:11 cait :)
17:11 cait 21!
17:11 cait wow
17:12 sekjal 19, now
17:12 cait :)
17:12 cait did you get a chane to look at the delete/cancel thing for acq?
17:15 nengard_lunch is now known as nengard
17:17 slef cait: yes but magnus_afk cleared it up
17:25 cait ah ok :)
17:26 libsysguy slef I wanted to give you some kudos on your name
17:26 libsysguy i realized the pun when I was repeaditly messing up $self
17:27 * slef bows
17:27 * slef ribbons
17:42 sekjal libsysguy:  does the hourly loans dev not support 'minutes' as a unit?
17:44 trea-away is now known as trea
17:44 cait hi trea
17:44 libsysguy no it doesn't
17:44 trea hi cait
17:44 libsysguy although after looking over the code it wouldn't be hard
17:45 libsysguy since the deltas are finally being formatted correctly
17:46 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7033] Make all strings translatable in <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7033>
17:49 sekjal libsysguy:  cannot call method 'clone' on members/ line 500
17:49 sekjal sound familiar?
17:49 libsysguy no not to me
17:49 libsysguy what did you do to get that?
17:49 sekjal tried to go to a borrower with checkouts
17:50 sekjal checkouts from before adding the patch
17:50 libsysguy let me check it on my dev server
17:50 libsysguy i haven't gotten it in prod
17:51 sekjal I think it may have to do with the data conversion
17:52 wizzyrea has anyone had complaints about the performance of the OPAC detail where there are lots of items?
17:52 libsysguy sekjal: you mean the existing dates in the db?
17:52 sekjal libsysguy:  yes
17:53 sekjal issues issued back under the old code
17:53 sekjal before the data type conversions
17:53 libsysguy gotcha
17:54 libsysguy hmm did you run that conversion sql file?
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17:57 libsysguy sekjal installer/data/mysql/atomicupdate/hourlyloans.sql
17:57 sekjal libsysguy:  ran that; it just added the new column to issuingrules
18:00 libsysguy sekjal is that the only error info it gave you?
18:00 sekjal yes
18:00 sekjal running didn't help
18:02 libsysguy well that seems rather odd...I wonder why it is clone instead of just =
18:03 libsysguy I thought clone was for cloning an object
18:04 libsysguy i guess it is in the datetime function too
18:04 libsysguy class**
18:06 magnus_afk is now known as magnuse
18:08 * sekjal hates the build_issues_data subroutines in circ/ and members/
18:08 sekjal not mod_perl compliant, for one thing
18:09 cait hate is a strong word
18:17 cait libsysguy: where do you hide your hourly circulation branch?
18:19 cait sekjal?
18:19 wahanui sekjal is someone's favorite propeller-head.
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18:30 cait libsysguy: around?
18:31 maximep they both disappeared when u had a question for them :p
18:31 cait yep
18:31 cait coincidence?
18:31 cait libsysguy: can you guide me how to do the databaseupdate for the hourly branch?
18:31 cait libsysguy: I am a bit confused here
18:34 slef hate?
18:34 wahanui i think hate is a strong word
18:34 slef clone?
18:35 libsysguy hey cait
18:35 libsysguy sorry I was afk
18:35 cait hey
18:35 cait trying to checkout your branch
18:35 libsysguy ohh so you want to do a pull
18:35 slef Wizzy's car?
18:35 wahanui rumour has it Wizzy's car is Etta the Jetta, and trea's is Rolf the Golf.    druthb's truck is Rusty Betty
18:35 cait lol
18:35 cait libsysguy: now I figured it out
18:36 cait the branch
18:36 slef the best time for kohacon?
18:36 slef rebase?
18:36 wahanui rebase is, like, good, for if you need to send patches
18:36 cait slef: as soon as possible?
18:36 slef was seeing if wahanui had learned it
18:36 cait libsysguy: ok, what do run first, updatedatabase?
18:36 cait I have never used the atomicupdates
18:36 libsysguy yes I'd do the update database first
18:36 libsysguy then the atomic update is just the command line
18:36 libsysguy so
18:37 libsysguy mysql -u "username" -p "databasename" < atomicupdatefile.sql
18:37 cait h
18:37 cait m
18:37 cait seems I need another module?
18:37 cait Can't locate DateTime/Format/
18:38 libsysguy bug 5549
18:38 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Hourly Loans
18:38 libsysguy there are several listed here
18:38 cait ok
18:38 libsysguy comment 5, 8, 10
18:39 cait k
18:39 cait on it
18:39 libsysguy hey I have to run to my circuits lab till 5 CDT :'(
18:40 libsysguy I'll bring my laptop wtih me but I may be lagy wtih the responses
18:40 cait it's ok
18:40 cait I will see how far i get :)
18:40 libsysguy ok you can always email me
18:40 libsysguy
18:41 cait it's ok
18:41 cait go to your lab :)
18:41 libsysguy oh yayy (sarcasm font)
18:41 cait hehe
18:41 libsysguy see you guys later
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19:14 rhcl bugs?
19:14 wahanui bugs are at
19:20 rhcl OK sports fans.... Koha v3.05.00.011 Problem with sql report builder?
19:20 rhcl tools -> guided reports wiz -> build new -> catalog -> biblio -> item level
19:20 rhcl item type
19:20 wahanui rumour has it item type is set correctly in items
19:20 rhcl click click click -- select any item type, for example, sql statement doesn't pick up the item type
19:25 sekjal rhcl:  that sounds like a bug that just got patched
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19:32 * Oak waves
19:32 rhcl humm, I looked and didn't see a pertinent bug, any idea what the bug number was?
19:34 sekjal rhcl: 6983... but it is for overdue report, so not the same (though perhaps a similar issue)
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19:35 rhcl so can you confirm this problem?
19:35 phlunk3 morning o/
19:36 sekjal rhcl:  no, no confirmation.  the issue you'd described sounded like a report I'd recently read, but it was for another area
19:38 magnuse @seen eythian
19:38 huginn` magnuse: eythian was last seen in #koha 13 hours, 20 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <eythian> Maybe India is having network issues :)
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19:56 rhcl bug 6983
19:56 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6983 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Item type filter on overdues report does not respect item-level_itypes preference
19:57 gmcharlt FYI, tsbere and I have started using Launchpad to track bugs for SIPServer (a.k.a. OpenNCIP) -
19:58 * cait waves
19:59 wizzyrea oo
20:02 rhcl wizzyrea: did you see my report question above? Have time to confirm it?
20:02 wizzyrea hm nope
20:03 wizzyrea well, no I didn't see it
20:03 wizzyrea I may have time to confirm it
20:04 wizzyrea tons of TT nonsense in guided reports tho
20:06 cait sep
20:06 cait I think I have never used guided reports
20:06 cait :(
20:14 cait sekjal++
20:15 Oak me go now. time to sleep. night.
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20:23 magnuse g'night #koha
20:23 magnuse is now known as magnus_away
20:24 cait good night magnus_away and Oak
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20:29 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6390] Basket only visible for librarian who created it <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6390>
20:43 sekjal okay, 'needs QA' list down to 18 bugs
20:44 sekjal but 'needs signoff' list still at 95!
20:45 cait lots of architectural changes in there :(
20:45 cait not sure how to test those
20:52 wizzyrea are we not saving writeoffs in accountlines anymore?
20:53 wizzyrea here's the display:  - here's the corresponding DB:
20:53 wizzyrea I don't understand how this could be.
20:56 cait but the amount is correct?
20:56 wizzyrea this makes me giggle (totally unrelated)[…]move-files-around
20:56 wizzyrea yea apparently
20:56 cait hm
20:56 wizzyrea well, it's green, which is wrong
20:56 cait what's your sql for accountlines?
20:56 wizzyrea but the number is right
20:56 wizzyrea select * from accountlines where borrowernumber = 'the number'
20:56 cait 0 seems green :)
20:57 cait hm!
20:57 wizzyrea 136
20:57 wizzyrea is the right amount for the fines
20:57 wizzyrea or whatever it is
20:57 cait weird
20:57 wizzyrea the lost fines aren't in there
20:57 wizzyrea oh
20:57 wizzyrea maybe our replica is out of sync...
20:57 wizzyrea sec
20:58 wizzyrea yes, that's at least part of it
20:58 wizzyrea but only 1 writeoff
20:58 wizzyrea oh oh wait
20:58 wizzyrea there are 2 pages.
20:58 wizzyrea Well I will take THAT little thing up with my support vendor. :P
20:59 wizzyrea NEVER MIND. All's good.
20:59 sekjal :)
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20:59 cait phew
20:59 * wizzyrea was SO confused.
21:06 rhcl Sanka for wizzyrea from now on.
21:06 wizzyrea shush.
21:07 wizzyrea you get your replica out of sync and see what confusing things YOU come up with.
21:07 * wizzyrea grumps
21:07 rhcl Sanka
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21:46 eythian magnus_away: sup?
21:46 cait morning eythian
21:47 eythian cait: howdy
21:47 wahanui hey, eythian
21:47 liw hi, eythian of the three remaining packages :)
21:48 liw eythian, have you been properly volunteered to give a KohaCon talk on the Koha Debian packages and all their hidden gems?
21:48 eythian liw: heh
21:48 eythian not as such, I will probably end up doing one at the hackfest I expect
21:50 eythian <-- liw, a slightly older sketch of the talk I am doing.
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21:52 cait eythian: which mindmapping program was that?
21:53 wizzyrea yes that's purty
21:54 cait he doesn't want to tell :)
21:54 eythian cait: thinkingspace on android, but I have it syncing with freemind on ubuntu (via ubuntuone
21:55 wizzyrea on your tab?
21:55 eythian yeah
21:55 wizzyrea noice!
21:57 cait nice :)
21:57 cait time to sleep :)
21:57 cait bye all
21:57 eythian yeah, I spent a few hours in the weekend at the pub sketching it out, and have been refining it a bit since.
21:57 eythian cya cait
21:57 wizzyrea gnite
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22:01 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7057] C4::Reserves::CheckReserves uses GetMemberDetails unnecessarily <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7057>
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22:07 sekjal GetMemberDetails?
22:07 wahanui hmmm... GetMemberDetails is a black hole into which CPU cycles fall; don't ever use it!!!
22:07 sekjal :)
22:08 maximep small stuff that makes a difference to make koha feel faster =)
22:11 sekjal maximep:  I was on a record with a lot of materials
22:11 sekjal many, many seconds wasted on C4::Reserves::CheckReserve
22:11 sekjal which was ultimately because of GetMemberDetails
22:11 maximep cool!
22:11 sekjal I'm on a mission to eradicate that subroutine wherever possible
22:12 sekjal GetMember will often be more than sufficient
22:12 sekjal and it's just a simple SELECT * across a single table; very efficient
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22:46 sekjal goodnight, #koha!
22:47 rhcl night. me too, i think
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