IRC log for #koha, 2011-10-15

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00:31 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_5995' into kcmaster <[…]560c52fd6deb6f7a7> / Bug 5995 Followup: checkpw was returning inconsistent values <[…]060b49a7b8d491016>
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01:02 jcamins_away @later tell wizzyrea Your son with his Tardis is absolutely adorable.
01:02 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
01:03 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6915 - [SIGNED-OFF] reduce module name truncation problem in <[…]8a324f84142e91f3d> / Bug 6806 Fix encoding of title in subscription-add <[…]7a3fbdaaf1b269b59> / Bug 6789: biblios with many items can result in broken search results link
01:13 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Adding another developer to the history <[…]953f64e32c20d3e74>
01:23 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 7019 - Circulation History Sort Order Wrong <[…]f40ce04e55d7c2b3d> / Bug 6942 - Add link to manual to help/authorities/ <[…]4d074235046359950> / Bug 6942 - Add link to manual to help/admin/ <http://git.koha-communit
01:26 rangi thats enough for a mallowpuff
01:28 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #481: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/481/
01:28 jenkins_koha ian.walls: Bug 5995 Followup: checkpw was returning inconsistent values
01:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5995 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, matthias.meusburger, ASSIGNED , Glitch with checkauth
01:28 jenkins_koha Starting build 482 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
02:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #482: SUCCESS in 47 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/482/
02:16 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Bug 6789: biblios with many items can result in broken search results link
02:16 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 6806 Fix encoding of title in subscription-add
02:16 jenkins_koha * gbarniskis: Bug 6915 - [SIGNED-OFF] reduce module name truncation problem in
02:16 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Adding another developer to the history
02:16 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6904: Changes 'asked' to 'pending' in suggestions for more consistency
02:16 jenkins_koha * lrea: Bug 6942 - Add link to manual to help/admin/
02:16 jenkins_koha * lrea: Bug 6942 - Add link to manual to help/authorities/
02:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6789 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , Biblios with many items can result in broken search results links
02:16 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 7019 - Circulation History Sort Order Wrong
02:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6806 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED , Encoding problem with biblio titles in
02:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6915 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, gbarniskis, ASSIGNED , truncates long module names at 26 chars
02:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6904 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW , Suggestion status 'pending' and 'asked'
02:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6942 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, NEW , Add links to manual for 3.6 to in app help
02:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7019 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Circulation History Sort Order Wrong
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07:04 ropuch Morning #koha
07:05 rangi hi cait and ropuch
07:05 cait evening rangi, morning ropuch
07:05 rangi ropuch: did you ever talk with pawel skuza? or benedykt?
07:05 ropuch I didn't have chance
07:06 rangi ahh
07:06 ropuch I was looking for them though when I was preparing presentation about Koha
07:07 rangi *nod*
07:07 rangi they did a lot of work early on in koha
07:07 rangi 80 features, 321 bug fixes now .. for 3.6.0
07:07 ropuch rangi: I've read through all Unsung Koha heroes [;
07:08 rangi ahhh
07:08 rangi cool
07:08 rangi i should do some more of those sometime
07:09 cait yep, you should
07:22 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 7024 - Can't delete other library's messages with AllowAllMessageDeletion on <[…]edf906e94aa84466f>
07:24 jenkins_koha Starting build 483 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
07:32 rangi who is going to win, wales or france?
07:33 ropuch *rolling dices*
07:33 rangi hehe
07:33 ropuch Wale
07:33 ropuch s
07:33 ropuch [;
07:35 rangi thats what i think too
07:35 rangi but france are unpredictable, should be exciting
07:36 ropuch ;)
07:37 rangi 1st semi final, 2nd one tomorrow
07:37 ropuch $marc->subfield(20,"a") should  return a isbn value, right?
07:37 ropuch Or 20 is so special I need to access it some other way
07:38 rangi hmm
07:39 rangi not special
07:39 rangi but its not an integer
07:39 rangi $record->subfield( '020', 'a' )
07:39 rangi its '020'
07:39 rangi not 20
07:39 rangi leading zeros have meaning
07:39 ropuch Thanks!
07:39 rangi no worries
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08:01 ropuch Unrecognized character \xE2 in column
08:01 ropuch bah
08:02 rangi marc8 treating it as utf8
08:02 rangi ?
08:03 ropuch Don;t know, but definitly encoding issue
08:04 cait in isbn? how evil
08:04 ropuch I can print $marc->subfield('020',"a"), but trying to add new field ends with this error\
08:04 ropuch I think it can be those "-"
08:04 ropuch I cleaning some really crappy records
08:05 ropuch HM, calling them marc record is an abuse, actually\
08:05 rangi heh
08:05 ropuch So I have sets of proper records, but to import them, I need matching isbn
08:06 ropuch So i need to remove all those - and other things from 020a
08:06 ropuch And it ends with Unrecognized characters ;>
08:13 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #483: SUCCESS in 48 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/483/
08:13 jenkins_koha oleonard: Fix for Bug 7024 - Can't delete other library's messages with AllowAllMessageDeletion on
08:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7024 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Can't delete other library's messages to the patron with AllowAllMessageDeletion on
08:30 ropuch Huh, I think there's something wrong with my environment
08:31 ropuch I get 'unrecognized character' error even with creating new marc record and $record->leader(’00903pam2200265 a 4500’);
08:31 ropuch I'll try doublequotes
08:32 ropuch It worked! [;
08:34 rangi yeah those quotes look wrong
08:34 rangi they should be '
08:34 rangi or "
08:34 rangi urs look like some special char
08:35 ropuch I blame my laziness for copypasting marc code examples
08:35 rangi :)
08:36 rangi i blame ppl using windows special quotes
08:36 rangi :)
08:36 ropuch ;>
08:40 ropuch Those strange ' came from (their dosumentation) [;
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10:43 slef so what would be the ideal gap between ALA and KohaCon? 2 days?
10:43 jcamins_away Yikes! That's cutting it very close!
10:43 jcamins_away Don't forget there are a bunch of 4-day preconferences.
10:43 slef rangi suggested doing one and then the would be good
10:44 slef if knows it, I won't forget
10:44 jcamins_away Hmmm... doesn't look like it does.
10:45 slef doesn't look like it even knows ALA or am I looking in the wrong place?
10:45 jcamins_away No, you are correct.
10:45 jcamins_away I'm looking on the ALA website, and it doesn't look like they know, either.
10:45 jcamins_away (I'm sure they do, but, wow, what a lousy website!)
10:45 jcamins_away June 21-26.
10:45 slef when you find it, could you mail
10:46 slef heh
10:46 slef got a URL?
10:46 slef or will you email?
10:46 jcamins_away[…]pcoming/index.cfm
10:46 slef so preconferences would be 16-20 June?
10:46 jcamins_away I think so, yes.
10:47 jcamins_away I'm trying to see if I can find the dates clearly listed anywhere.
10:47 slef so ideal KohaCon slots end 14th or start 28th?
10:47 slef I mean, this might not be possible with venues, but I'll see if we can.
10:48 jcamins_away Hm. They are planning the preconference, but there's no indication of when it is.
10:49 jcamins_away I think that KohaCon after ALA would probably be better.
10:50 jcamins_away Because you'll have 50% of USian librarians who don't go to preconferences but do go to ALA, and 50% who go to both (that is, among librarians who go to ALA).
10:51 jcamins_away Of course, the best time for KohaCon is whenever you can arrange it. :)
10:53 slef yeah, we don't have a completely free hand... it's under negotiation
10:54 slef I really should contact a couple of co-ops there, but I'm pretty sure they don't have venues. Our main library in that city is also being strangely quiet just now. Maybe I should send someone to call in person.
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11:25 jcamins_away Hey, this is interesting:[…]ded-services.html
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11:27 slef jcamins: hrm, how so? It's the weekend and my brain is switched off.
11:28 jcamins slef: fair enough. Well, it seems to me we could eliminate the Zebra cron job if we had an "index record" hook in the search interface.
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11:30 slef jcamins: isn't it more about koha triggering the index update without waiting for the cron job?
11:31 jcamins Have C4::Biblio::UpdateBiblio (or whatever it's called) insert records into the index.
11:32 slef jcamins: yeah... it's all possible and just our architectural problem.
11:32 slef ModBiblio I think by the way.
11:32 jcamins My understanding of the reasoning behind the cron job was that the indexer was run directly, which isn't really something we want Koha doing.
11:33 jcamins I have no idea if my understanding is correct, of course.
11:34 slef I thought it was speed/stability but I was having other problems when zebra was added.
11:36 jcamins Well, that was the argument against zebraqueue_daemon.
11:36 jcamins Which I thought worked the same way as the cronjob, just as a daemon.
11:38 jcamins Hm, no, zebraqueue_daemon does use extended services.
11:39 jcamins Ah well. It was a nice idea.
11:40 slef Yeah, what was the argument against zebraqueue_daemon apart from failing messily in some situations?
11:40 jcamins Leaks like a seive.
11:40 jcamins sieve.
11:41 slef yeah but why?
11:41 slef doubt it was unfixable
11:41 jcamins I have no idea, and I don't know how to debug Perl leaks.
11:42 slef I think tcohen wanted to rewrite from scratch, which is probably a good move.
11:43 jcamins He wrote a daemon using the command-line indexer.
11:43 slef hrm, could/should be rewritten to use the protocol
11:43 jcamins Agreed.
11:43 jcamins I didn't realize that it was ever an issue.
11:44 slef ok, so let's see if there was ever a bug ;)
11:44 jcamins s/issue/option/
11:47 jcamins Bug 5166.
11:47 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5166 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Reintroduce a zebraqueue daemon, make several functions a lib
11:47 slef[…]g.cgi?id=5166#c12 confirms that it was memory leaking
11:47 huginn Bug 5166: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Reintroduce a zebraqueue daemon, make several functions a lib
11:49 jcamins Yep.
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16:42 libsysguy jcamins_away: are you actually away?
16:43 libsysguy actually…can someone point me toward the IRC chat log?
16:49 Oak
16:49 Oak[…]ity+irc+chat+logs
16:49 Oak :)
16:50 ropuch :)
16:51 libsysguy thanks Oak++
16:51 Oak aww cool
16:59 libsysguy @later tell sekjal Why did I let you talk me into rebasing hourly with master...
16:59 huginn libsysguy: The operation succeeded.
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17:13 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7031] More options for AdvancedSearchTypes <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7031>
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17:33 libsysguy anybody around that can tell me about bug 5453
17:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5453 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Variables declaration should not occur in conditionals
17:33 libsysguy i see that it got pushed
17:33 libsysguy but I am wondering what the change was
17:37 bg hey libsysguy
17:37 wahanui rumour has it libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck
17:37 bg :)
17:38 libsysguy hey bg
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17:38 libsysguy whats up
17:41 rangi libsysguy: 5453 is stuff like this
17:41 rangi my $budget_period_total = $num->format_price($$period{budget_period_total}) if $$period{budget_period_total};
17:41 rangi never do it
17:41 libsysguy right…I am attempting to rebase hourly on master
17:41 libsysguy and I keep getting conflicts from that bug
17:41 libsysguy like
17:41 libsysguy <<<<<<< HEAD
17:41 libsysguy $template->param( sort_by => $default_sort_by );
17:41 libsysguy =======
17:41 libsysguy $template->param( $default_sort_by => 1 );
17:41 libsysguy >>>>>>> 7dffc17... Bug 5453 Move declarations out of conditionals in opac
17:42 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5453 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Variables declaration should not occur in conditionals
17:42 libsysguy im going with the patch
17:42 rangi yep
17:42 libsysguy cool….my coin toss never lies
17:43 libsysguy jk I would never put the koha codebase in the hands of a coin toss
17:49 libsysguy rangi do you know what the difference between rebase -i and merge is?
17:49 rangi yeah a huge amount
17:49 libsysguy ah
17:49 libsysguy so if I want to fix the issues with hourly having conflicts with master
17:49 libsysguy i should do rebase -i
17:50 rangi i wouldnt
17:50 rangi id merge master in
17:50 rangi and fix the conflicts and push that commit
17:50 libsysguy oh man…thats what I thought…but jcamins_away said that would be wrong :'(
17:50 rangi rebasing replays all the commits
17:50 libsysguy now I have the dirtiest working tree git has ever seen
17:51 rangi which is anotehr way of doing it
17:51 libsysguy yeah….so I think i am going to delete this branch I am rebasing and just check out hourly again and merge with master
17:51 rangi but it rewrites the history of the branch, its good to do when you are developing
17:51 libsysguy that is what I did for my production copy
17:51 rangi and want to send a patch
17:52 rangi but one something that has been published, like the hourly branch
17:52 rangi and isnt under dev, its best to merge and send a pull request for the merged branch
17:52 libsysguy gotcha
17:53 rangi you will need to push your merged branch to somewhere public so it can be pulled
17:53 rangi rebase is good, for if you need to send patches
17:53 libsysguy ahh so if i wanted to fix all the unmatched patches individually so they are on master rebase would be the way to go
17:53 rangi it puts all the changes on the top
17:53 rangi yes
17:54 libsysguy but since hourly is basically just one bug patch i can merge, fix and push as one giant patch
17:54 rangi yep
17:55 rangi not as patch
17:55 rangi a branch with a pull request
17:55 libsysguy man…I wish I would have known that an hour ago :'(
17:55 rangi push it to gitorious or github or something
17:55 libsysguy gotcha
17:56 libsysguy that is what sekjal and I were trying to figure out yesterday
17:56 libsysguy after we fix it where do we put it
17:56 libsysguy lol
17:58 rangi pull requests are great for anything big
17:59 rangi if you look at the bug, thats how i got it form colin in first place
17:59 libsysguy yeah I noticed that
18:02 rangi[…]stories/#comments
18:04 libsysguy man I should have bought my domain name…name sooner
18:04 libsysguy that way I could be as cool as gmcharlt
18:04 bg oh hey rangi
18:07 rangi heya bg
18:28 libsysguy hey rangi can you see this
18:30 libsysguy @later tell sekjal hourly merged with master can be pulled from
18:30 huginn libsysguy: The operation succeeded.
18:30 rangi id put that on the bug too
18:30 rangi (that comment)
18:31 rangi looks good
18:31 libsysguy will do
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18:51 cait hi #koha
18:51 rangi hi cait
18:54 cait hi rangi
19:07 bg hi cait
19:11 cait hi bg
19:22 Oak aha cait
19:23 * Oak goes to find a song for cait
19:23 cait hi Oak :)
19:23 cait something happy please
19:23 Oak sure
19:24 Oak
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19:25 druthb o/
19:26 Oak \o/
19:26 Oak Come down from the mountain, you have been gone too long
19:26 Oak how are you druthb ?
19:27 druthb I'm good!  Got my truck running healthy again this morning.  :)
19:28 Oak good good
19:29 druthb Got a few scratched-up knuckles in the process, but nothing too bad.  She's runnin' smooth, and won't overheat any more.
19:39 Oak more than a feeling!!:
19:44 bg druthb++
19:47 druthb hiya, bg. :)
19:47 cait druthb++
19:48 rangi yep
19:48 rangi druthb++
19:48 Oak bg++
19:48 bg hi there Oak
19:48 bg Oak++
19:49 Oak hello :D
19:49 druthb wizzyrea gave her a name, while we were in Lawrence--both of their cars were named by Soren.
19:49 rangi heh
19:49 Oak what's her name?
19:50 druthb Wizzy's car is Etta the Jetta, and trea's is Rolf the Golf.    My truck is Rusty Betty.
19:50 Oak hehe nice
19:52 cait rolf the golf?
19:52 druthb it's a Volkswagen Golf.
19:56 bg Rusty Betty - with a flapper haricut?
19:56 rangi hehe
19:56 druthb :D  yes!
19:56 bg heh haircut
19:56 Oak or, 'roll on La floor' the Golf
19:56 Oak nah, that's mean
19:56 druthb lol
19:56 bg heh
19:56 Oak :)
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19:57 bg yeah a flapper haircut would look good on a big ole truck
19:57 druthb hee hee
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19:58 bg big trucks always have a flask up their legs…
19:58 rangi heh
19:59 druthb hm...  a flask.  might have to get me one...too bad I couldn't carry it on the plane to India, hm, bg?
19:59 bg oh druthb you can bring it through security empty :)   and then we can go to duty free :)
19:59 rangi heh
19:59 druthb oh-hoh.
20:00 druthb hm...
20:00 bg bwahahahahh
20:00 rangi free alcohol on international flighs anyway
20:00 bg YAY
20:00 rangi well, depending on the airline i guess
20:00 bg bummer
20:00 druthb I don't have a garter to stick it under, though, bg--top of a thigh-high do?  ;-)
20:00 rangi but all the ones ive flown that has been the case
20:00 bg yup
20:00 bg oh really?   I like that
20:01 bg getting off a plane after drinking for 15 hours - is one of the best things to do in life!
20:01 bg (man I'm sarcastic today...)
20:02 druthb who needs a book or a bunch of media on the lappy--watching you get rock-star trashed would be all the entertainment we need!
20:02 bg HAH
20:02 rangi bg: we tried on the way to ALA :)
20:02 bg heh
20:02 druthb too short a flight.
20:02 rangi flight wasnt long enough :)
20:02 druthb jinx!
20:02 bg and the roundtrip home was all almonds
20:02 rangi but we did beat that girl in scrabble
20:03 druthb We'll have fifteen *hours* each way!
20:03 bg oh yeah
20:03 rangi im pretty sure she will remember that flight
20:03 cait ?
20:03 bg of course - we were fun ….
20:03 * cait always had to fly alone. hmpf
20:03 bg oh this poor girl was sitting next to rangi and I on a plane flight
20:03 druthb rangi:  Were you trying to spell words wrong, like "realise" and "authorised"?  ;-)
20:03 bg we made he play scrabble with chris and I…
20:03 rangi hehe
20:04 rangi and drink cocktails
20:04 bg and bought he a bunch of drinks
20:04 rangi ehe
20:04 bg damn it her!!!  not he
20:04 rangi ;)
20:04 druthb Oh, why is it other girl that get that kind of fun with exotic strangers---I'll have three geeky men with me.  ;-)
20:05 bg oh I'll play scrabble with you :)
20:05 rangi that was fun
20:06 rangi i think we started by drinking with australians in the la airport?
20:06 bg yup - started in SB - cause I'm always worried about making it to the airport on time
20:06 bg so we had a bit of time in that airport too
20:06 rangi oh yeah thats right
20:06 bg then the australians
20:07 rangi neat little airport
20:07 bg it's no longer there
20:07 rangi oh the new one is all open?
20:07 rangi did they make it into a museum?
20:07 bg they've opened the new terminal and already ripped down the old one
20:07 bg nope
20:07 rangi oh wow, that was a cool building
20:07 bg too the ground
20:07 rangi stink
20:07 bg yeah totally
20:08 bg I was one of the first 150 people to fly out of the new one
20:08 bg first day it was open
20:08 bg druthb?
20:08 wahanui well, druthb is a travelin' woman.
20:08 bg YAY
20:08 rangi eh
20:08 bg :)
20:09 rangi heh even
20:09 druthb :)
20:10 druthb bg?
20:10 druthb lol
20:10 druthb rangi?
20:10 bg heh
20:10 bg YAY
20:10 bg mtj?
20:10 wahanui DeM KraZy NutZ!!
20:10 rangi hehe
20:10 rangi thats still the best
20:13 rangi so is espn showing hte semi final i wonder?
20:13 rangi cos i need you all to cheer for nz
20:14 rangi as im gonna be on a plane
20:14 rangi so you have to do my job for me :)
20:14 rangi 9pm tonight nz time (12 ish hours)
20:14 rangi i suspect you will be asleep
20:17 bg hmm… ya never know
20:17 bg I'll root though
20:17 rangi cait?
20:17 wahanui That's Ms. Cait to you!
20:17 rangi and dont you forget it
20:17 cait hm?
20:17 bg heh
20:17 cait oh I will cheer
20:18 rangi you said it to mr robin once :)
20:18 * cait is confused
20:18 cait but I bet that was eythian
20:19 rangi most likely
20:22 rangi ok i best finish the last bits of packing and spend some time with the family before i head off
20:22 rangi see yous later, maybe from the airport
20:23 bg later dood
20:23 * rangi wanders off
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20:29 druthb hi, libsysguy!
20:29 libsysguy hey druthb
20:29 libsysguy what are you up to on this fine saturday afternoon
20:30 druthb got my rusty ol' pickup runnin again, and tinkering with this and that.
20:31 libsysguy oh fun with the truck.  I took some time today and merged hourly and master
20:32 bg sorry libsysguy I think druthb wins there ;)
20:32 bg heh
20:32 libsysguy haha i think she does too
20:32 libsysguy but I did it while watching the big bang theory so that made it slightly better
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20:38 Oak me go now. night.
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20:39 cait big bang theory - I love that
20:39 cait libsysguy++  hehe
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21:08 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5680] When deleting an order, delete attached items, and if applicable biblio <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5680>
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21:42 jcamins_away libsysguy_afk: I warned you that my instructions could not be relied upon.
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