IRC log for #koha, 2011-07-30

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03:32 dbl We're running an older version of Kyle Hall's Koha VM. I think someone tried to use the "upgrade" command in the menu, and now mysql won't start.
03:32 dbl The syslog says mysqld does not have access to the InnoDB directory.
03:34 dbl Can anyone help?
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12:53 druthb o/
13:14 jcamins_away Hi, druthb!
13:17 druthb hi, jcamins! :)
13:52 danmc good (late) morning
13:53 danmc druthb, you'll appreciate this.  I cut a couple of blanks out of a piece of walnut that I knew as a tree when I was 6.  The dead log has been in mom and dads garage since the late 70's.
13:54 danmc jcamins_away:  I've been meaning to ask you, when you help collectors catalog their collections, do you use any sort of bar code scanner to help on newer books?
13:55 jcamins_away danmc: not generally, no.
13:55 danmc lots of typing then?
13:55 jcamins_away Yup.
13:56 jcamins_away I also don't generally handle new books. ;)
13:56 * danmc looks around the room and is a bit concerned by the size of the job
13:56 danmc I have a mix
13:56 danmc and I admit that I have not looked to see what year bar codes started showing up
13:57 druthb danmc: I love working storied woods like that.
13:57 danmc I have a small dead dogwood standing in my yard.  I'm hoping to see what can be done with it.
13:58 druthb I had a lady bring a small log of shinnery oak to me that had been the tree in front of her mother's house, and all the family had grown up climbing that old tree before it died...and she had me make a mess of pens and keychains to give away at the family reunion.
13:58 danmc that is really cool
14:00 danmc I'm not familiar with that oak but wikipedia would suggest that it is because I've never lived near it
14:00 druthb Neil Sperry of Dallas (broacaster for KRLD radio) takes bats from storied events at Texas Rangers games, that they donate to him, and makes pens, and sells them at his radio remotes to benefit a charity he believes in.
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14:40 danmc what is the purpose of having a seperate koha user and group?  Are there any SUID KOHA_USER bits in koha?
14:46 liw danmc, do mean for things like the Debian package? it is a good practice to have every server run as its own user so that if someone manages to gain control of the server process, they don't gain more privileges than that server (e.g., not other servers running on the same system)
14:47 danmc liw:  yes, I'm trying to understand if setting KOHA_USER to something other than the default of root actually causes processes to run as the koha user or if it is an apache config thing needed to do this.
14:49 danmc part of how this came up is I know someone who as root tried to install koha with KOHA_USER set to 'koha'.  The chown -R in Makefile.PL then messed up his installed suid programs (notably 'sudo').
14:49 danmc but the real reason for the question is to understand what processes may be run by what user and where that is controlled and if setting KOHA_USER actually makes this happen.
14:49 liw I must admit I can't remember the details anymore (it's been a while since I touched Koha's .deb packaging)
14:50 jcamins_away danmc: if you install the correct mpm (itk), everything runs as KOHA_USER.
14:50 danmc mpm?
14:51 jcamins_away It's part of Apache.
14:51 danmc ah.
14:51 danmc ok
14:51 jcamins_away I don't know exactly what an mpm does, but I know you need itk.
14:52 * danmc is reading about it now
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14:57 * jcamins_away considers making mozzarella biscuits.
14:58 cait ooo
14:58 * cait wants some too
14:58 * druthb too
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15:01 * jcamins_away is on a "finish everything that's been opened before it goes bad" kick, so the biscuits may involve some creativity.
15:02 jcamins_away Aww. I wish I had dried scallions.
15:03 jcamins_away Or fresh scallions.
15:03 jcamins_away Those would be even better.
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15:07 danmc ok.  so it looks like to get mpm-itk you patch it into an apache22 source tree and then it is a configure time selection and you end up with an apache that has been built specifically with mpm-itk.
15:08 * liw notes mpm-itk is very easy to install on Debian and Ubuntu, since it's been packaged for them already
15:14 danmc it should be easy on netbsd as well shortly ;)
15:14 liw good :)
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15:16 Brooke 0/
15:27 jcamins_away Bacon-mozzarella biscuits... any thoughts on how to make that work?
15:28 Brooke that would require extensive customisation
15:28 jcamins_away (N.B. the bacon is already cooked)
15:28 Brooke I would suggest someone in Virginia, since they are pork specialists.
15:28 jcamins_away Heh.
15:28 Brooke also
15:28 danmc crumble the bacon onto the biscuits
15:28 Brooke they sound rather similar to a certain Kiwi's savoury scone receipt
15:29 danmc while in the oven, call the cardiologist ;)
15:29 jcamins_away The part that I'm having trouble with is how one balances the mozzarella and bacon so that neither overwhelms the other.
15:29 danmc ah
15:29 Brooke I would recommend subbing cheddar for mozz, as naughty as that is
15:30 jcamins_away Brooke: usually I make cheddar biscuits.
15:30 * Brooke nods.
15:30 Brooke you know
15:30 Brooke smoked mozz might allow itself to do that
15:30 jcamins_away However, this is my monthly "use up everything in the refrigerator" weekend.
15:30 jcamins_away So I have shredded mozzarella to finish.
15:30 jcamins_away And bacon.
15:30 danmc pizza
15:30 Brooke ^
15:31 jcamins_away danmc: I guess you weren't around for the great pizza debacle of '11?
15:31 danmc lol
15:31 danmc no
15:31 Brooke (He's already been naughty and had pizza once, though)
15:31 jcamins_away I ran out of sauce!
15:31 danmc oh, wait, yeah I saw that
15:31 danmc I'm going to make sauce probably tomorrow.
15:31 danmc have a pile of hot peppers in the garden and a big bag of roma tomatos
15:31 Brooke so are you working with rubbery garbage of mozz
15:31 Brooke or proper stuff?
15:32 danmc and with luck I'll have several ice cube trays of pizza sauce on monday morning :)
15:32 * Brooke sneaks over to danmc's and "reallocates" a few things...
15:32 jcamins_away Brooke: rubbery grocery store mozzarella.
15:32 Brooke oh the humanity!
15:33 Brooke why are you worried about saving this again?
15:33 jcamins_away Uhhh...
15:34 Brooke ah
15:34 * jcamins_away ate somewhat-wilted salad on flatbread for dinner two days in a row. Do you really think there's a good answer?
15:34 jcamins_away Well, very wilted, after it had been baked at 450 degrees.
15:35 Brooke you could make little hors d'oeuvres
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15:36 Brooke impostor!
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16:25 * Oak waves
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16:34 jcamins_away It is too hot and humid for biscuits.
17:00 cait rangi
17:00 cait rangi
17:00 cait rangi
17:01 jcamins_away Isn't it a little early?
17:01 cait still trying :)
17:01 cait I need a chore wars invite link :)
17:01 cait a working link, the last is too old
17:01 jcamins_away Ah.
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22:11 jcamins_away rangi: what's the cut-off for 3.6?
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23:05 druthb o/
23:06 jcamins_away Hello.
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