IRC log for #koha, 2011-07-20

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00:04 ibeardslee 'he' 'mummy'  ?
00:04 ibeardslee oh one of those families
00:05 phlunk3 lol, mummies are not always mothers
00:06 * magnuse wishes #koha a good time of the day!
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00:06 rangi sleep well magnus_away
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00:56 Judit hi
00:56 wahanui salut, Judit
01:07 rangi yum yum abrakebabra for lunch
01:07 rangi hi Judit
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02:46 rangi hey cait
02:46 cait hmpf
02:46 rangi cait: i heard from nengard
02:46 cait ?
02:46 cait I was checking my mail
02:47 cait what did she say?
02:47 rangi ruth is out of surgery, in her room, all is well
02:47 cait the minion sind a short note too, but was 3 hours ago
02:47 cait ah, that's what I got too :)
02:47 rangi :)
02:47 cait ok, going back to sleep for another hour
02:48 cait thx :)
02:48 rangi :)
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03:33 Amit_Gupta heya chris ;)
03:33 Amit_Gupta good morning koha ;)
03:34 rangi hi Amit_Gupta :)
03:44 phlunk3 rangi, just before I start this vm setup, can you confirm that 10.04 server version will be fine? and also is 32bit fine or do I need the 64 preferably?
03:45 rangi id do 64 bit
03:45 rangi because one day you may want to give it more than 3gig of ram
03:46 phlunk3 its just a small school and the server is dedicated to koha, u think it could need more than 3gig of ram?
03:46 rangi who knows, but doesnt hurt to let it have the possibility
03:49 phlunk3 tx rangi, sorted :)
03:49 phlunk3 you are chris btw?
03:49 rangi yup
03:50 phlunk3 how long have you been working on this system? I havent even had a chance to see it yet, but hopefully will get some time after this upgrade to see what the system does.
03:50 phlunk3 never really dealt with this sort of system in my past jobs.
03:50 rangi since september 99
03:50 eythian he's pretty much a newbie
03:51 rangi heh
03:52 phlunk3 also, I take it if I install through the ubuntu package that updates in the future are going to be very pain-free?
03:52 eythian ideally
03:52 rangi id probably use the ones at
03:52 rangi those are better tested than the ones in the ppa
03:52 phlunk3 thanks
03:52 rangi for production anyway
03:53 rangi id appreciate the ubuntu ones being tested tho, if you have any dev environments
03:53 rangi they *should* be the same ... but launchpad does some trickery
03:53 phlunk3 Im afraid I am currently down to a single laptop :(
03:54 rangi ah
03:54 rangi heres a good tutorial
03:55 rangi[…]pment_Environment
03:55 rangi for setting up a koha dev env in a vm
03:55 rangi if you ever need to
03:56 phlunk3 thx
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04:46 kmkale Namaskar #koha
04:48 Space_Librarian namaste kmkale
04:55 kmkale Namaste Space_Librarian :)
04:55 kmkale Amit_Gupta: you there?
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05:07 cait morning
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05:16 francharb hello #koha
05:18 cait morning francharb :)
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05:56 kmkale Hi, can anyone tell me how I should go about applying this bunch of patches for Analytic Records and then using the same?[…]nalytical_records
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06:11 kf good morning #koha
06:14 hdl hi kf
06:15 kmkale I want to test this branch[…]nalytical_records It seems to be based on old templating system. Is iit possible to do so from a system which is currently tracking master?
06:15 kf hi hdl and kmkale
06:15 kmkale i kf hdl
06:16 kmkale *hi :)
06:18 hdl kmkale: if you want to test that on template toolkit, you may translate the templates...[…]translation_tools
06:18 hdl Consider rebasing them over the latest templates.... And even over the queued patches.
06:19 kmkale yay.
06:20 kmkale so the steps are like this? 1) create a new local branch tracking the remote origin/new/awaiting_qa/analytical_records branch
06:21 kmkale 2) use template_toolkit_translation_tools to translate templates
06:21 kf kmkale: I think there is a way to convert, a script
06:21 kf but because they are quite old now there might be still a lot of conflicts
06:21 kmkale 3) make upgrade as usual
06:21 kmkale 4) test???
06:22 kf http://lists.koha-community.or[…]April/035416.html
06:22 kf ah, you already foudn it
06:22 kf should read more carfully
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06:33 reiveune hello
06:33 wahanui que tal, reiveune
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07:21 sophie_m hello
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07:24 rangi[…]r-update-on-ruth/
07:24 kf thx rangi
07:29 kmkale Namaste rangi
07:30 rangi hi kmkale
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07:34 kmkale Namaste paul_p
07:34 paul_p bonjour kmkale
07:34 kmkale Namaste hdl
07:34 kmkale :)
07:35 rangi hi paul_p and hdl
07:39 hdl Namaste kmkale rangi
07:45 bg evening :)
07:45 kf hi bg
07:45 bg yo kf
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08:21 paul_p Hello bg & kf & rangi. /me publishing new blog entries to hire 2 more ppl : one project manager, one support developer. BibLibre staff should be 18 soon...
08:21 bg wow that's getting to be big
08:22 bg we're at 10 now
08:22 rangi congrats paul_p
08:26 slef well that was a long 90 minutes :-/
08:26 rangi ?
08:27 slef nm, non-sequitur
08:27 slef I was helping someone, had to go afk, expected to be back in 90, wasn't.
08:28 rangi ahhh right
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08:56 kf paul_p: you will have to move again soon :)
08:57 * kf kf_mtg
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11:01 Barrc Does anyone have any suggestions how to upgrade from 2.2.7 to 3.4.2?
11:02 Barrc The 2.2.7 version is complete vanilla with no customisations or modifications.
11:02 Barrc How would dropping the 2.2.7 database into t a vanilla 3.4.2 install work, and then running the web installer?
11:03 rangi nope
11:03 rangi
11:04 Barrc yeah, I have seen that. It takes about moving to 3.0 and an inplace upgrade.
11:04 rangi follow that to get it to 3.0.x and from there you can go to 3.4.2 (following the upgrade information in the INSTALL file)
11:04 rangi right, thats what you have to do
11:04 Barrc I really need to migrate which is what I should have said - sorry
11:04 rangi right you cant
11:05 rangi you'll need to make a copy of your 2.2.7 install it, upgrade it
11:05 Barrc hum, maybe if I build 2.2.7 on the new server and go from there.....
11:05 rangi yup
11:05 Barrc oh well - t'will be tricky - thanks!
11:07 rangi once you get it to 3.0 you can dump the db, load it in
11:07 rangi the webinstaller will then do most, but you do need to run one other script, its documented in the INSTALL file
11:08 rangi and good luck :)
11:11 Barrc thanks
11:15 slef Barrc: and if you get completely stuck, we're next door in Scotland and England ;-)
11:16 slef but what rangi is basically the way
11:16 slef what rangi says, even
11:17 Barrc slef: ha, you might regret that, I'll be on the boat with server in hand!
11:18 slef Barrc: heh, better than us going the other way!
11:19 slef I wonder if the HSS is still on Holyhead-Dublin and Stranraer-Belfast
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11:21 Barrc Certainly Holyhead to Dublin/Dun Laoghaire still goes, I use it often
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11:25 slef Barrc: cool. They took it off Harwich to Hoek van Holland, saying that fuel cost too much.
11:26 slef I don't like boats but catamarans are OK, even that big.
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11:27 Barrc Anything as long as it doesn't fly will do me!!
11:31 slef wish I could agree ;-)
11:33 * rangi goes to sleep cya's tomorrow
11:34 slef bye rangi!
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11:38 kf ah, now he is gone
11:38 wahanui i already had it that way, kf.
11:39 kf forget ah
11:39 kf forget... I hav eno idea
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11:58 JesseM Good Morning!!!!
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12:32 * oleonard can't duplicate bug 6611
12:32 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6611 critical, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , patron barcode removed when editing an attribute
12:32 oleonard nengard: I wonder if I'm doing it wrong
12:33 nengard oleonard, let me try it on master - i only had time to take the partner's word for it on that one
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12:51 oleonard nengard: Regarding Bug 6612, better to display the note itself in the dropdown rather than the code associated with it?
12:51 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6612 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , sort pulldown for messages in alpha order
12:58 kf hi JesseM :)
12:58 kf hi oleonard and nengard
12:59 JesseM Hi kf!
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13:03 nengard oleonard - agree
13:04 nengard but it's sometimes a sentence and that's long for a pull down
13:04 nengard but if you can truncate it :)
13:04 nengard maybe truncate it and put the code in parense after it
13:04 nengard parens
13:05 oleonard I made a comment on the bug regarding that: The maximum length of the authorised_value is the same as for the description, so potentially the length of each could be the same
13:05 oleonard It's really just a choice of the librarian to use something shorter for the authorised_value (or not)
13:06 talljoy Morning all!  I am looking for the name of the script to import authority records into koha.  Is it
13:06 kf bulkmarcimport with -a as option
13:07 talljoy so -a filename  ?
13:07 kf hm not sure about the option, but it has documentation
13:07 talljoy okay  on the wiki?
13:07 jcamins_away talljoy: something like that.
13:07 kf try -h
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13:07 kf or --h
13:07 jcamins If you run without any arguments, that'll do it.
13:08 talljoy do i need to specify a file name?
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13:08 jcamins talljoy: not if you want help. :)
13:08 * jcamins hasn't had breakfast yet.
13:09 * talljoy is still sucking down her first cup of coffee
13:09 oleonard nengard: Here's an example that shows a maxed-out description length:
13:10 jcamins "Attention! You must fill out this online form now!!! PS- our server is shut down until the fall."
13:11 oleonard Poor server needs a vaycay.
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13:12 nengard oleonard that works
13:12 nengard but some libraries might want that code in there too - I'm not sure
13:12 nengard (I don't need it) :)
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13:24 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6612] Sort pulldown for messages in alphabetical order <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6612>
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13:54 Carl Hello!
13:55 oleonard Hi Carl
13:55 Carl I have a question about a missing "Save"-button in the Koha admin
13:55 Carl under "Staff client"
13:56 wizzyrea question?
13:56 Carl And this is a opportunity to try this Koha chat
13:56 oleonard /cgi-bin/koha/admin/prefer​ ?
13:57 Carl well, I made some changes under "intranetcolorstylesheet"
13:57 oleonard I do find that the save button is partially obscured by the language chooser. Do you have translations enabled?
13:58 Carl hm, well, I don't think so
13:58 Carl can you describe in more detail?
13:59 oleonard Carl, you would have had to manually install translations and enable them
13:59 oleonard Carl, what version of Koha are you using?
14:00 Carl 3.3 a think
14:00 Carl I think
14:00 oleonard Carl, you see no "Save all Staff Client preferences" button at the bottom of the page?
14:00 Carl and I'm a very new user...
14:00 wizzyrea just curious, what changes did you make to the intranetcolorstylesheet
14:00 Carl precisely, it disapeared
14:01 Carl som bad changes I guess...
14:01 Carl a copied a code from a forum
14:02 wizzyrea can you paste it here?
14:02 oleonard Paste it here if you still have it:
14:02 * wizzyrea wonders if you could negate the offending css using firebug then undo it
14:02 wizzyrea so you had a save button
14:03 Carl yes
14:03 Carl and than it went away
14:03 Carl inline styles */ #login h1 { background:url("[…]emes/npl/logo.png") no-repeat scroll center top transparent; } #login h1 a { height:71px; }
14:03 Carl maybe some part is missing
14:03 oleonard that looks familiar
14:03 * wizzyrea giggles
14:03 Carl ok?
14:04 * jcamins was just about to say it was familiar, too
14:04 wizzyrea (we laugh because oleonard wrote that post)
14:04 wizzyrea ;)
14:04 Carl :-)
14:05 Carl well, the problem is that I want to delete it
14:05 Carl before our IT staff comes back from vacation
14:05 oleonard Carl, did you put that in intranetcolorstylesheet or in IntranetUserCSS?
14:05 Carl in intranetcolorstylesheet
14:06 wizzyrea oooo
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14:07 Carl I should say that I'm just an ordinary librarian, trying to learn the back end stuff
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14:07 wizzyrea everybody starts somewhere :)
14:07 vfernandes hi Koha community :)
14:07 wizzyrea hi vfernandes
14:07 Carl yes, indeed
14:08 wizzyrea in my experience there are no 'ordinary' librarians.
14:08 Carl but, is there maybe an "undo" function in Koha?
14:08 oleonard Carl: That stuff should have gone into the IntranetUserCSS pref instead. However, I can't duplicate your problem event if I put it in intranetcolorstylesheet
14:08 Carl ok
14:08 vfernandes one question... i'm using koha 3.2.6 and in the detail page if the record title as " the catalogue toolbar doesn't appear correctly
14:08 Carl maybe you didn't get the full code
14:08 Carl oleonard
14:08 wahanui oleonard is, like, the master UI designer of koha or an awesome bug wrangler
14:09 oleonard Carl: I also find that if I clear the intranetcolorstylesheet form field and hit enter with the cursor still in the field the form submits
14:10 Carl hm, not for me
14:10 wizzyrea which browser?
14:11 Carl Firefox 5.0.1 Mac
14:11 Carl but I have tried om PC with IE also
14:12 jcamins Carl: try this: use the syspref search function to search for Intranetcolor
14:12 jcamins Do you have a save button on that page?
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14:12 jcamins (on the search results page, that is)
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14:13 * oleonard can submit with enter in IE8
14:14 Carl ok, wait
14:14 Carl no save button
14:15 Barrc help! - just got Koha 2.2.7 up on a server with a view to upgrade, however I can't figure out the search/indexing - anyone remember it?
14:15 Carl ahhh, thank you jcamins!!
14:15 wizzyrea searching faq?
14:15 wahanui searching faq is at[…]on/faq/searching/
14:16 oleonard that won't help with 2.2.7 though
14:16 wizzyrea oh true
14:16 oleonard There wasn't any indexing in 2.2.7, just brute mysql
14:16 * wizzyrea read that 2 as a 3
14:16 Carl no save button, but I was able to use the enter cursor as oleonard suggested
14:16 wizzyrea is it working now?
14:16 Carl yes!
14:16 wizzyrea great!
14:16 Carl thank you!
14:17 jcamins Barrc: do you mean *3*.2.7?
14:17 Barrc Nope - 2.2.7
14:17 Carl I will surely use this chat again!
14:17 Barrc I need to migrate it to 3.4
14:17 Barrc but I can't do an in place upgrade
14:17 wizzyrea isn't there ~/kohaclone/misc/migration​_tools/
14:17 Barrc so I have to start with 2.2.7 on the new server, then import the existing 2.2.7 DB, then upgrade
14:18 Barrc No - there doesn't seem to be any mention of Zebra
14:18 wizzyrea right, 2.2
14:18 wizzyrea so, in migration tools, there's no "rebuild index" at lal?
14:18 wizzyrea all*
14:18 * wizzyrea will shut up now
14:18 Barrc no - there are 8 scripts, all related to rebuilding
14:18 jcamins Barrc: in that case, I can't give you any useful advice. 2.2.7 is very old, but that's about all I know about it.
14:18 Barrc no index mentioned
14:19 wizzyrea ...
14:19 Barrc authorities, LANG, 6xx etc
14:19 oleonard Barrc: What exactly are you trying to do? Do you ask your question because searching isn't working?
14:19 chris_n kf: shoot me an email re bug 6589 and I'll look at it; it shouldn't be a problem to include
14:19 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6589 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , can't add supplements
14:20 Barrc oleonard: I have an old 2.2.7 install that we need to get up to 3.4.2. However, we need to move it to another server also
14:20 * chris_n heads off to the phone booth to change outfits
14:20 Barrc So, I installed 2.2.7 on the new server and imported the sqldump from the old server into it
14:21 Barrc I was then looking for zebra to rebuild but I can't find it anywhere. If I search Koha (2.2.7) I get hit counts but not bib/item info
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14:23 oleonard Barrc: Yeah, no Zebra in 2.2.7
14:23 oleonard No idea why your search isn't working though
14:23 Barrc All the bibs say "No Title" - seems to get a hit count though!
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14:24 wizzyrea maybe a framework problem?
14:24 oleonard I'm guessing two possibilities: 1) Your import went wrong somehow or 2) The import went fine, it's a problem with 2.2.7, and when you upgrade everything will be okay
14:24 oleonard That is a guess, though.
14:24 Barrc I was thinking about option 2 myself - hoping it might be the case.
14:25 kf chris_n: still around?
14:25 chris_n yup, for a moment
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14:26 chris_n still trying to get the 'S' oriented correctly ;-)
14:29 chris_n kf: gotta run, but will check back with you later
14:29 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6540] Add more options to koha-create <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6540>
14:30 * oleonard hopes Carl doesn't hotlink his library's logo forever. At the very least it will be confusing to his users
14:38 wizzyrea i somehow doubt he'll try that code again. hehe
14:39 kf chris_n: sorry... now i was not here - sent you an email
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15:12 oleonard wizzyrea: Do your libraries each do their own cataloging on site?
15:15 wizzyrea oleonard: yes sir, they do
15:16 oleonard Okay, then I can't compare workflows. We do all our cataloging at the main library and then distribute.
15:16 wizzyrea oo
15:16 oleonard We need a better way of keeping track of stuff between when it is cataloged and when it reaches the branches
15:17 wizzyrea oh i see.
15:17 wizzyrea well there's that cataloging to cart feature thinger
15:17 wizzyrea sec let me find the bug
15:17 oleonard that uses shelving location doesn't it?
15:17 wizzyrea I think so yea
15:18 oleonard Yeah, I don't find shelving location to be useful when there isn't an easy way for the circ staff to set or unset it
15:18 wizzyrea because batchmod can't unset it?
15:18 wizzyrea[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3481
15:18 huginn` Bug 3481: enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, In Processing/Shelving Cart locations
15:18 wizzyrea is the one
15:18 oleonard Because I don't want the circ staff using batchmod
15:18 wizzyrea AHA
15:18 oleonard I want a transfers-like interface for shelving location.
15:19 wizzyrea oooo
15:19 wizzyrea now that is actually a really good idea
15:20 wizzyrea the way 3481 works is kind of silly
15:20 * oleonard listens for the sound of wizzyrea running off to write it right now
15:25 wizzyrea heh
15:26 oleonard In fact, I see no reason why shelving location shouldn't be integrated into the existing transfers page
15:27 wizzyrea you're thinking scan a barcode, pick a location, click submit?
15:27 wizzyrea or pick a location, scan a barcode, it autosubmits
15:27 oleonard The latter
15:27 wizzyrea yea, the 2nd is probably more realistic
15:28 wizzyrea and you'd want circ staff to be able to do that
15:28 wizzyrea so no cataloging permissions required
15:29 oleonard Right, so that I can have the circ staff move something from the shelf to the display case, for instance
15:29 * wizzyrea wonders why it doesn't work like that now.
15:29 wizzyrea :P
15:29 oleonard Because no one asked me, obviously!
15:29 wizzyrea :D
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15:48 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6428] refered column 'items.coded_location_qualifier' does not exist <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6428>
15:54 oleonard Bug 6615
15:54 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6615 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Add shelving location option to transfers page
15:54 oleonard An enhancement bug is one step above wishing it silently to one's self.
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15:55 wizzyrea that has applications, someone will want it.
15:55 wizzyrea it's not like "make everything blue because white is boring"
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15:59 * oleonard was just about to get right on that
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16:31 rhcl_away wizzyrea: thoughts on freegal?
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16:31 wizzyrea let me get you johnindy
16:31 wizzyrea one se
16:31 wizzyrea c
16:31 Johnindy I looked into it
16:31 Johnindy almost did it then read a really interesting blog post on why not to do it
16:31 Johnindy let me find that
16:31 rhcl Ok. Thanks
16:32 Johnindy[…]o-to-freegal.html
16:32 rhcl lemme look
16:32 wizzyrea (that is to say, my opinion is directly related to johnindy's opinion, as I trust his judgement)
16:33 Johnindy I think it's interesting but I don't think music in libraries is where we want it to be yet
16:39 rhcl Well, read the article. Not sure what to think exactly, but concur with some of the points in the post. Thing is, some of the criticisms I apply to OverDrive, and we got that.
16:41 wizzyrea the comments I think are where the really interesting discussion is.
16:41 wizzyrea namely that you're buying an mp3 for a library patron with public funds.
16:41 wizzyrea which seems weird and a little bit wrong.
16:43 rhcl agree
16:43 rhcl ping slef
16:44 rhcl @later tell slef Have you ever been to a B-Sides event?[…]9044/BSidesLondon
16:44 huginn` rhcl: The operation succeeded.
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17:08 jcamins Ooh, LibraryThing is expanding.
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17:23 sekjal jcamins:  I think I'm on the right track of non-ICU diacritics search support
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17:23 magnuse sekjal++
17:24 jcamins Woohoo!
17:24 jcamins How?
17:24 sekjal I was able to get a record to turn up in my diacritic-less search that previously only appeared with accented characters
17:24 jcamins Excellent!
17:24 sekjal solution:  format the record in NFC
17:25 jcamins Does that work with A-with-a-macron?
17:25 sekjal was testing on O-with-an-umlaut
17:25 jcamins Because that's one of the letters where NFC and NFKC may be different.
17:27 hdl sekjal: the NFC encoding is default in koha iirc... is it not ?
17:27 hdl at least I think i sent some patches about that months ago
17:27 jcamins hdl: for display, yes.
17:28 sekjal jcamins:  I'll test on that specific one next
17:28 hdl jcamins: for our devs, even in marcxml
17:28 jcamins hdl: however, the work from BibLibre that I saw only affected the display and not the storage.
17:28 hdl it is done in C4::Biblio
17:28 sekjal hdl:  I'm not sure how the MARC records were getting normalized, but they're not all uniformly in NFC
17:28 sekjal could be any number of reasons
17:29 sekjal best solution would be to figure out how to make sure they're always NFC before saving, but barring that, my fixer script could be used periodically to do cleanup
17:29 kf oleonard: it's a nice idea :)
17:29 kf oh... should scroll first
17:29 hdl sekjal: jcamins C4::Charset SetUTF8Flag function normalizes the data.
17:30 hdl used in C4::Biblio AddBiblio
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17:30 hdl line 262
17:31 * hdl always frustrated to see ppl spending time over and over redoing things.
17:31 hdl But wel...
17:32 sekjal hdl:  but that would only apply for AddBiblio... what about in cases of modifying or overlaying with Z39.50 records?
17:32 jcamins hdl: I seem to remember there being a problem with that that I commented on on bugzilla.
17:32 hdl have not seen your coment
17:33 jcamins I'm looking for it now.
17:33 jcamins Hm. Can't seem to find it.
17:34 hdl sekjal: it always get into your catalogue through AddBiblio
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17:35 jcamins hdl: you had added a SetUTF8Flag call to at one point, because there were certain circumstances where the records weren't being normalized, hadn't you?
17:35 jcamins Yes.
17:35 jcamins Bug 5965.
17:35 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5965 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, RESOLVED FIXED, Make sure outputs marc in utf-8
17:35 hdl Yes... at that moment, I had problems with display
17:35 jcamins So whatever that underlying issue is needs to be fixed.
17:36 hdl But also thought that Koha should internally normalize the Unicode Encoding.
17:36 jcamins I agree.
17:36 hdl and since NFC was to be used...
17:36 hdl for display.
17:36 sekjal okay, great, so we've got a subroutine for correctly normalizing MARC records into NFC
17:36 hdl And yaz-icu was coping with NFD transformation.
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17:37 sekjal so, I guess the thing to do is to fix up all the existing records into NFC, then run the system normally for a while, and see if any lose their normalization
17:37 sekjal if so, then there is code somewhere that bypasses SetUTF8Flag()
17:38 jcamins Iff you have upgraded the database to 3.4, everything should be correct.
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17:38 jcamins The remove_biblioitems script uses ModBiblio, does it not?
17:39 sekjal jcamins:  yes, it does
17:39 sekjal I'm currently testing this on a pre 3-4 system
17:39 jcamins sekjal: ah.
17:39 sekjal perhaps that's why
17:39 jcamins sekjal: try running touch_all_biblios.
17:41 jcamins (to see if that corrects the normalization)
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18:30 jcamins @later tell nengard Regarding the latest bug on the 505 tag, I think I may have submitted a patch for that. If I did, you should have it sitting in your inbox for signing off.
18:30 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
18:40 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6616] Move common table pager markup to include <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6616>
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18:48 hdl good night
18:49 wizzyrea hmm apparently if you hit enter when presented with a "confirm hold" dialog, it doesn't confirm or ignore the hold, but it does close the transfer
18:50 wizzyrea that seems like odd behavior
18:51 oleonard I think the question is where is the focus
18:51 wizzyrea *nod*
18:51 oleonard Probably in the barcode field
18:52 wizzyrea this also happens if you scan another item without clicking confirm
18:52 wizzyrea (it's my opinion that it should do nothing until the confirm or ignore button is clicked)
18:54 oleonard I think I agree
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18:59 sekjal wizzyrea:  I recall a great discussion about this issue some weeks/months ago
18:59 cait hi #koha
18:59 sekjal hey, cait
19:00 rhcl wizzyrea: wanna come to a party? I can invite you (in fact, I can invite everybody).
19:00 rhcl Security B-Sides started as a free alternative to some major security conferences (Black hat, RSA, etc.).  These events are smaller and FREE!
19:01 rhcl[…]35094907/BSidesMo
19:01 rhcl wonder if there are any Koha security topics I could present on?????
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19:04 oleonard sekjal: On irc?
19:04 sekjal oleonard:  yes
19:04 wizzyrea ... was I involved?
19:04 wizzyrea >.> because I'm totally not remembering this
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19:06 sekjal trying to find link.. on moment
19:07 rhcl I think I was part of that discussion. Is that where the "y" and "n" don't do anything?
19:07 oleonard I remember that discussion. I consider that to be a different subject.
19:07 rhcl unless clicked? Pressing Y and N doesn't do anything, despite the impression it should.
19:07 rhcl ah, ok
19:08 sekjal[…]11-04-26#i_654179
19:08 sekjal ah
19:08 sekjal just re-read wizzyrea's original issue
19:08 wizzyrea oh yea, late night
19:09 sekjal and yes, oleonard, different subject, I think
19:12 oleonard I think I still vote for hiding the barcode field and display only the confirmation message
19:12 * oleonard doesn't like the disabled barcode field in circ, thinks it should either work or not be there
19:13 wizzyrea oh and regarding user behavior
19:13 wizzyrea the software is wrong, not the people >.>
19:13 wizzyrea though people are often inconsistent.
19:15 wizzyrea oleonard: I like that
19:15 oleonard That disabled barcode field is an itch I've been meaning to scratch.
19:15 wizzyrea hide the barcode field and focus one of the buttons (probably confirm?)
19:15 sekjal syspref to choose focus on confirm/cancel?
19:15 wizzyrea and we'd need to make sure to address the situation where it's just a transit message
19:15 wizzyrea with no buttons
19:16 wizzyrea (leave the barcode box alone)
19:16 wizzyrea seems silly to have to have a syspref for it, but I suppose it should probably be so yea
19:16 oleonard Bug 6616 will help me do something like this:
19:16 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6616 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Move common table pager markup to include
19:17 rhcl reading the irc from back then...just a followup note, barcode readers can be programmed to either send a carriage return or not
19:17 wizzyrea right, but you want it in most cases
19:17 wizzyrea all of our libraries send a CR
19:17 wizzyrea and prefer it that way
19:17 rhcl yea, but for programming you can't presume either
19:17 sekjal or else a bit of JQuery people could add to change default focus to "cancel", for those few folks who'd want to do that
19:18 wizzyrea ^^ seems like a less expansive, and perhaps better solution
19:18 oleonard Ain't no one gonna get into reprogramming their barcode reader for this
19:19 wizzyrea it should work both ways anyway
19:19 rhcl exactly
19:20 sekjal we can't always code to @quote123
19:20 sekjal we'll go crazy
19:20 wizzyrea @quote get 123
19:20 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
19:20 wizzyrea i think make the behavior default
19:20 wizzyrea and we can jquery our way out of it
19:20 wizzyrea if necessary
19:21 oleonard Make what behavior default?
19:21 wizzyrea confirm as default focus
19:21 wizzyrea print/confirm should be an explicit decision
19:21 wizzyrea as should ignore
19:21 wizzyrea and if someone wants it different, they can do that with jquery. It's one of the reasons koha is so flexible
19:22 * oleonard starts tinkering
19:22 * wizzyrea will file the bug
19:23 oleonard Mark it as assigned to me unless someone else wants to wrastle me for it
19:23 wizzyrea :)
19:23 wizzyrea k
19:25 oleonard Okay, here's a tricky one. Should some error messages require confirmation as well? "No item with that barcode," for instance?
19:25 wizzyrea i think that one's purely informational
19:25 wizzyrea imo
19:26 wizzyrea we just sent you down the rabbit hold didn't we
19:26 wizzyrea s/hold/hole
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19:38 wizzyrea I think that there are actually 2 different things going on here
19:38 wizzyrea now that i've looked at it closely
19:40 wizzyrea holds with incoming transits 1. don't show the ignore button 2. simply scanning the book completes the transfer, but 3. if you just hit enter, it's like you clicked ignore but 4. the status is wrong (screencap to come)
19:40 oleonard Quick demo: (minus any focus-handling)
19:43 wizzyrea oleonard++ that's good. What does it look like when it's an incoming transfer?
19:43 wizzyrea writing this bug may be a bigger pita than you fixing it lol ;)
19:44 rangi those are the best kind of bugs
19:44 oleonard You mean something which is already marked as waiting but is coming from another branch wizzyrea ?
19:44 rangi much better than the other way round
19:44 wizzyrea I mean something that is in transit to your branch to fill a hold
19:45 wizzyrea ex: lib A book in transit to lib B, what does it look like when that gets checked in
19:45 wizzyrea to fill a hold
19:46 cait oleonard: I like the new table sorter thing :)
19:47 rangi it shouldn't be waiting at that point, should get marked waiting when checked in, if the librarian wants it to be marked waiting
19:47 cait checking your screenshots :)
19:47 oleonard You're right rangi
19:47 rangi cait: ill find the playlist when I get to work
19:48 rangi heard anything more about ruth?
19:48 wizzyrea there was a post from lindsey this morning
19:48 wizzyrea but mostly that said "she's ok and was awake"
19:49 wizzyrea
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19:49 rangi yup thats the last I saw too
19:49 rangi cool
19:49 rangi awake and ok is good
19:49 wizzyrea *nod*
19:49 rhcl Kelly likes the ignore button.
19:50 oleonard wizzyrea: In the example you ask about there's just the confirm and print/confirm buttons. No ignore. So you would have to choose one of those options to proceed.
19:51 wizzyrea right.
19:51 wizzyrea sharon was wondering why there was no ignore. But that's another issue.
19:51 oleonard It item is already allocated for a patron, so there's not really anything an 'ignore' button could do
19:52 oleonard The ignore button in the other message is to let you *not* allocate that copy to that person if you don't want to
19:52 wizzyrea excellent that's a great explanation
19:52 wizzyrea and also explains the message
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19:53 wizzyrea that makes perfect sense, and sharon agrees that your approach is just great
19:53 wizzyrea what happens if it's just a transit home with no hold?
19:54 wizzyrea (aside, it might be nice to click through that message
19:54 rangi then a voice just screams "incoming" and everyone ducks and rolls
19:54 wizzyrea LOL
19:54 wizzyrea that really did make me laugh
19:55 rangi and that is why im banned from interface design
19:56 wizzyrea you know the librarians *were* asking for an additional sound cue there.
19:56 wizzyrea rangi screaming "incoming" might be just the ticket
19:56 wizzyrea they ought to be careful what they wish for
19:57 rangi heh
19:58 oleonard wizzyrea: "it might be nice to click through that message" ?
19:58 wizzyrea never mind. librarians are fickle.
19:58 wizzyrea @quote get 123
19:58 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
19:59 wizzyrea i should say, people are fickle.
20:00 rangi Be back after coffee
20:03 oleonard Be back after 16 hours
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20:15 rangi back
20:16 rangi cait:[…]a+Hacking/8190140
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20:28 rangi wb cait
20:28 cait :)
20:28 cait rangi: thx :)
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20:35 rangi heya nengard
20:35 wahanui i heard nengard was fast
20:35 nengard hiya
20:35 nengard at the hospital with druthb
20:35 nengard anyone want me to pass on a message?
20:35 rangi just a hug from me
20:35 jcamins A hug from me as well.
20:36 nengard both have been passed on :)
20:36 rangi :)
20:37 wizzyrea and more hugs (but not if they hurt)
20:37 cait nengard: more hugs from me!
20:37 rangi hehe
20:37 nengard she's all smiles over here
20:37 nengard druthb asks cait to sing soft kitty
20:38 cait oh
20:38 cait I think the situation qualifies
20:38 cait soft kitty warm kitty little ball of fur
20:38 cait happy kitty sleepy kitty
20:38 cait purr purr purr
20:38 * wizzyrea feels soothed
20:39 wizzyrea some day soon we'll do a g+ hangout with her :)
20:39 nengard hehe
20:39 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 6484 - due date sorter on 'my summary' missing <[…]54d349d72382b5b3f>
20:39 wizzyrea when she's feeling up to it
20:39 nengard she's not allowed to move right now :(
20:39 nengard has to lay flat
20:39 cait promise her I will sing :)
20:39 nengard I would need morphine to deal with that
20:39 wizzyrea ^^
20:39 nengard but once she can sit up she'll be up ot it
20:39 rangi caits singing isnt that bad nengard!!!
20:39 cait hehe
20:40 nengard that's not what i meant!!
20:40 nengard and you know it
20:40 rangi hehe
20:40 nengard I meant the laying still bit
20:40 rangi the logs don't lie
20:40 nengard the logs don't know when is tarted typing
20:40 cait yep, you said _you_ would need morphine
20:40 nengard i started typing
20:40 nengard and brooke says she'll sit on you
20:40 nengard rangi
20:40 rangi i can outrun her
20:40 cait I think he can
20:41 nengard brooke says you think you can outrun her
20:41 cait ... and I am gonna stop brooke from running after him
20:41 wizzyrea seems likely he chases 2 kids under 5 most of the time.
20:41 wizzyrea and his kids are *fast*
20:41 nengard stubbor brooke still thinks she's right
20:41 nengard stubborn
20:44 cait stubborn sounds like brooke :)
20:44 nengard heh
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20:46 cait stupid mouse
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20:51 nengard jcamins regarding the 505 patch
20:51 nengard i don't think i have one waiting for sign off in my email
20:51 jcamins nengard: hm, in that case, I didn't write one, I just thought about it.
20:52 jcamins This would be from a while ago.
20:54 nengard jcamins do you know what bug it was attached to?
20:54 nengard so i could search for it?
20:59 jcamins nengard: unfortunately, no.
21:03 jcamins If you couldn't find it by searching for jcamins and 505, though, I probably never actually wrote it.
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21:06 rangi[…]-release-process/   <-- how many typos did i make, im guessing 4
21:07 rangi hdl: did you see the email from Sébastien at lyon about drupal and koha?
21:08 rangi and good evening :)
21:13 cait halfway - wow
21:13 rangi crazy right
21:15 nengard 64 people in 3 months is awesome too
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21:17 rangi yup yup
21:17 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #331: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/331/
21:17 jenkins_koha oleonard: Fix for Bug 6484 - due date sorter on 'my summary' missing
21:17 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6484 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Due date sorter on 'my summary' missing
21:18 Space_Librarian o/
21:19 jcamins I wonder if I was one of those 64 people.
21:19 cait do you have a list of the new features you mention`
21:19 cait ?
21:19 rangi yeah
21:19 rangi
21:20 rangi theres the bug numbers there
21:21 cait bug numbers - yay ;)
21:22 * cait had hoped for something easier to process at this time of the night :P
21:22 jcamins Ooh, I do have something in 3.6! :D
21:23 rangi heh
21:23 rangi cait
21:23 rangi give me 20 mins
21:23 rangi and ill make those all links
21:24 cait links would be nice, but don't worry about it
21:24 jcamins cait:
21:25 sekjal got to run.  have a good night, #koha!
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21:29 rangi <--cait
21:30 cait wow :)
21:30 cait rangi++
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21:31 rangi emacs + ikiwiki make doing that fast
21:32 rangi i just edit it locally and git push, and shazam
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21:33 cait :)
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21:38 rangi cait: http://koha-releasemanagement.[…]cgi?do=branchable
21:38 rangi you can even clone it, and send me patches or, give me your ssh key, and you can update it yourself :)
21:39 * liw waves
21:40 rangi heya liw :)
21:40 cait hi liw
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21:41 rangi another cool thing about is by paying for it, you give liw money, which gives him time to create more cool software .. its win-win
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21:42 hdl hi rangi. Just answered that.
21:42 rangi hdl: excellent thanks ;)
21:44 liw rangi, heh :)
21:48 cait rangi: aha!
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21:53 libsysguy I have another git question
21:53 libsysguy maybe I should change my name to gitquestionguy
21:53 rangi heh
21:54 libsysguy anyway...when you do a it git rebase origin or git rebase master
21:54 jcamins rangi: ikiwiki does have a dark side, though... once you start using it, you'll never be able to go back to anything else.
21:54 rangi jcamins: i call that a feature ;)
21:54 jcamins libsysguy: git rebase origin/master
21:54 libsysguy so the / matters
21:54 rangi libsysguy: its git rebase whatever branch you want to rebase on
21:54 rangi it could be origin/master
21:55 libsysguy oh...
21:55 rangi it might be origin/fruitbasket
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21:55 rangi or git rebase cheesesticks
21:55 wizzyrea whoa bug 6611 is a big effin deal
21:55 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6611 critical, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , patron barcode removed when editing an attribute
21:55 rangi its up to you
21:55 libsysguy gotcha
21:55 rangi you can recreate wizzy?
21:55 wizzyrea yes
21:55 wizzyrea I just did
21:55 rangi k, ill look now
21:57 wizzyrea it also seems to accept a space as a patron barcode, for multiple patrons.
21:57 wizzyrea I thought they were supposed to be unique?
21:57 rangi no that has been removed
21:58 wizzyrea ah
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22:01 rangi just upgrading my test db
22:01 rangi ill try to get a patch out for you to sign off shortly
22:02 rangi wow thats an odd one
22:02 rangi can def replicate here too, k
22:04 rangi dont think it is TT
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22:05 francharb good night all
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22:05 rangi $newdata{'cardnumber'} = undef if $newdata{'cardnumber'} =~ /^\s*$/;
22:06 rangi now in that form, the cardnumber isnt passed, so its undef all ready
22:07 rangi then later it just calls &ModMember(%newdata)
22:07 rangi which cheerfully replaces the cardnumber with null
22:08 rangi because now the db allows that
22:08 cait sounds ouch
22:08 jcamins cheesesticks? fruit basket? Is someone hungry?
22:08 cait yes me - and tired
22:08 jcamins Oh, right. Me.
22:08 jcamins Good night, #koha
22:08 cait cookies?
22:08 wahanui Cookies are delicious delicacies
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22:08 jcamins_away Actually, pasta salad.
22:09 cait mmm
22:09 * cait holds up her plate
22:09 rangi cardnumber` varchar(16) DEFAULT NULL,
22:11 rangi its fixable with a template change, doing so now
22:11 rangi (but wasnt caused by a template change, was caused by the fact we are now allowed to make cardnumber not mandatory)
22:14 rangi k, patch on its way
22:15 cait hm
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22:25 rangi wizzyrea: you about?
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22:31 rangi hi Irma
22:31 Space_Librarian bon jour Irma
22:32 Irma Hi there rangi
22:32 Irma wet jour Space_Librarian
22:32 Irma It's still raining and raining
22:32 Space_Librarian still raining in Sydney?
22:32 Space_Librarian I heard there was a bit of a downpour yesterday.
22:32 Irma Sydney Harbour looks  quite full!
22:33 Irma I am pleased Judit will meet you both in W'ton on Monday
22:33 Irma Thanks for welcoming her
22:34 Space_Librarian Our pleasure.
22:34 rangi 45 people coming to the user group meeting now Irma
22:34 Space_Librarian I think she'll enjoy the visit.
22:34 Irma wow
22:34 Irma that is great!
22:34 rangi yup
22:35 Irma Perhaps even more than coming back to work next Wednesday/Thursday :-)
22:35 Irma We are so busy!
22:35 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6611] patron barcode removed when editing an attribute <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6611>
22:36 Irma Wishing you a good day all
22:36 Irma back soon :-)
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22:47 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6612 - Sort pulldown for messages in alphabetical order
22:47 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Bug 6613: CSV basket export columns misaligned
22:47 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6612 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Sort pulldown for messages in alphabetical order
22:47 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6613 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , csv basket export columns misaligned
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23:52 eythian rangi: can you tell git bz that you're applying a patch with the intent to sign off on it?
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23:53 rangi not yet
23:53 rangi we should get bug to add that
23:53 eythian yeah.
23:53 rangi with his python skills
23:53 rangi and a -s and -3 switches
23:53 eythian Alternately, is there a way to mark a patch that's been signed off on committable?
23:53 eythian err
23:53 eythian other way around
23:53 wahanui i heard other way around was more readable as far as the intent of the clause
23:53 rangi git commit --amend -s
23:53 eythian ah, ta
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