Time Nick Message 00:04 ibeardslee 'he' 'mummy' ? 00:04 ibeardslee oh one of those families 00:05 phlunk3 lol, mummies are not always mothers 00:06 * magnuse wishes #koha a good time of the day! 00:06 rangi sleep well magnus_away 00:56 Judit hi 00:56 wahanui salut, Judit 01:07 rangi yum yum abrakebabra for lunch 01:07 rangi hi Judit 02:46 rangi hey cait 02:46 cait hmpf 02:46 rangi cait: i heard from nengard 02:46 cait ? 02:46 cait I was checking my mail 02:47 cait what did she say? 02:47 rangi ruth is out of surgery, in her room, all is well 02:47 cait the minion sind a short note too, but was 3 hours ago 02:47 cait ah, that's what I got too :) 02:47 rangi :) 02:47 cait ok, going back to sleep for another hour 02:48 cait thx :) 02:48 rangi :) 03:33 Amit_Gupta heya chris ;) 03:33 Amit_Gupta good morning koha ;) 03:34 rangi hi Amit_Gupta :) 03:44 phlunk3 rangi, just before I start this vm setup, can you confirm that 10.04 server version will be fine? and also is 32bit fine or do I need the 64 preferably? 03:45 rangi id do 64 bit 03:45 rangi because one day you may want to give it more than 3gig of ram 03:46 phlunk3 its just a small school and the server is dedicated to koha, u think it could need more than 3gig of ram? 03:46 rangi who knows, but doesnt hurt to let it have the possibility 03:49 phlunk3 tx rangi, sorted :) 03:49 phlunk3 you are chris btw? 03:49 rangi yup 03:50 phlunk3 how long have you been working on this system? I havent even had a chance to see it yet, but hopefully will get some time after this upgrade to see what the system does. 03:50 phlunk3 never really dealt with this sort of system in my past jobs. 03:50 rangi since september 99 03:50 eythian he's pretty much a newbie 03:51 rangi heh 03:52 phlunk3 also, I take it if I install through the ubuntu package that updates in the future are going to be very pain-free? 03:52 eythian ideally 03:52 rangi id probably use the ones at debian.koha-community.org 03:52 rangi those are better tested than the ones in the ppa 03:52 phlunk3 thanks 03:52 rangi for production anyway 03:53 rangi id appreciate the ubuntu ones being tested tho, if you have any dev environments 03:53 rangi they *should* be the same ... but launchpad does some trickery 03:53 phlunk3 Im afraid I am currently down to a single laptop :( 03:54 rangi ah 03:54 rangi heres a good tutorial 03:55 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Setting_Up_Koha_in_Virtual_Environment_%2B_Using_That_as_a_Development_Environment 03:55 rangi for setting up a koha dev env in a vm 03:55 rangi if you ever need to 03:56 phlunk3 thx 04:46 kmkale Namaskar #koha 04:48 Space_Librarian namaste kmkale 04:55 kmkale Namaste Space_Librarian :) 04:55 kmkale Amit_Gupta: you there? 05:07 cait morning 05:16 francharb hello #koha 05:18 cait morning francharb :) 05:56 kmkale Hi, can anyone tell me how I should go about applying this bunch of patches for Analytic Records and then using the same? http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/new/awaiting_qa/analytical_records 06:11 kf good morning #koha 06:14 hdl hi kf 06:15 kmkale I want to test this branch http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/new/awaiting_qa/analytical_records It seems to be based on old templating system. Is iit possible to do so from a system which is currently tracking master? 06:15 kf hi hdl and kmkale 06:15 kmkale i kf hdl 06:16 kmkale *hi :) 06:18 hdl kmkale: if you want to test that on template toolkit, you may translate the templates... http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Template_toolkit_translation_tools 06:18 hdl Consider rebasing them over the latest templates.... And even over the queued patches. 06:19 kmkale yay. 06:20 kmkale so the steps are like this? 1) create a new local branch tracking the remote origin/new/awaiting_qa/analytical_records branch 06:21 kmkale 2) use template_toolkit_translation_tools to translate templates 06:21 kf kmkale: I think there is a way to convert, a script 06:21 kf but because they are quite old now there might be still a lot of conflicts 06:21 kmkale 3) make upgrade as usual 06:21 kmkale 4) test??? 06:22 kf http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2011-April/035416.html 06:22 kf ah, you already foudn it 06:22 kf should read more carfully 06:27 kmkale gotta go bbl 06:33 reiveune hello 06:33 wahanui que tal, reiveune 06:51 lds hello 06:58 clrh hello 07:21 sophie_m hello 07:22 julian hi 07:24 rangi http://www.librarygeekgirl.net/2011/07/another-update-on-ruth/ 07:24 kf thx rangi 07:29 kmkale Namaste rangi 07:30 rangi hi kmkale 07:34 kmkale Namaste paul_p 07:34 paul_p bonjour kmkale 07:34 kmkale Namaste hdl 07:34 kmkale :) 07:35 rangi hi paul_p and hdl 07:39 hdl Namaste kmkale rangi 07:45 bg evening :) 07:45 kf hi bg 07:45 bg yo kf 08:21 paul_p Hello bg & kf & rangi. /me publishing new blog entries to hire 2 more ppl : one project manager, one support developer. BibLibre staff should be 18 soon... 08:21 bg wow that's getting to be big 08:22 bg we're at 10 now 08:22 rangi congrats paul_p 08:26 slef well that was a long 90 minutes :-/ 08:26 rangi ? 08:27 slef nm, non-sequitur 08:27 slef I was helping someone, had to go afk, expected to be back in 90, wasn't. 08:28 rangi ahhh right 08:56 kf paul_p: you will have to move again soon :) 08:57 * kf kf_mtg 11:01 Barrc Does anyone have any suggestions how to upgrade from 2.2.7 to 3.4.2? 11:02 Barrc The 2.2.7 version is complete vanilla with no customisations or modifications. 11:02 Barrc How would dropping the 2.2.7 database into t a vanilla 3.4.2 install work, and then running the web installer? 11:03 rangi nope 11:03 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Upgrading_2.2 11:04 Barrc yeah, I have seen that. It takes about moving to 3.0 and an inplace upgrade. 11:04 rangi follow that to get it to 3.0.x and from there you can go to 3.4.2 (following the upgrade information in the INSTALL file) 11:04 rangi right, thats what you have to do 11:04 Barrc I really need to migrate which is what I should have said - sorry 11:04 rangi right you cant 11:05 rangi you'll need to make a copy of your 2.2.7 install it, upgrade it 11:05 Barrc hum, maybe if I build 2.2.7 on the new server and go from there..... 11:05 rangi yup 11:05 Barrc oh well - t'will be tricky - thanks! 11:07 rangi once you get it to 3.0 you can dump the db, load it in 11:07 rangi the webinstaller will then do most, but you do need to run one other script, its documented in the INSTALL file 11:08 rangi and good luck :) 11:11 Barrc thanks 11:15 slef Barrc: and if you get completely stuck, we're next door in Scotland and England ;-) 11:16 slef but what rangi is basically the way 11:16 slef what rangi says, even 11:17 Barrc slef: ha, you might regret that, I'll be on the boat with server in hand! 11:18 slef Barrc: heh, better than us going the other way! 11:19 slef I wonder if the HSS is still on Holyhead-Dublin and Stranraer-Belfast 11:21 Barrc Certainly Holyhead to Dublin/Dun Laoghaire still goes, I use it often 11:25 slef Barrc: cool. They took it off Harwich to Hoek van Holland, saying that fuel cost too much. 11:26 slef I don't like boats but catamarans are OK, even that big. 11:27 Barrc Anything as long as it doesn't fly will do me!! 11:31 slef wish I could agree ;-) 11:33 * rangi goes to sleep cya's tomorrow 11:34 slef bye rangi! 11:38 kf ah, now he is gone 11:38 wahanui i already had it that way, kf. 11:39 kf forget ah 11:39 kf forget... I hav eno idea 11:58 JesseM Good Morning!!!! 12:32 * oleonard can't duplicate bug 6611 12:32 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6611 critical, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , patron barcode removed when editing an attribute 12:32 oleonard nengard: I wonder if I'm doing it wrong 12:33 nengard oleonard, let me try it on master - i only had time to take the partner's word for it on that one 12:51 oleonard nengard: Regarding Bug 6612, better to display the note itself in the dropdown rather than the code associated with it? 12:51 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6612 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , sort pulldown for messages in alpha order 12:58 kf hi JesseM :) 12:58 kf hi oleonard and nengard 12:59 JesseM Hi kf! 13:03 nengard oleonard - agree 13:04 nengard but it's sometimes a sentence and that's long for a pull down 13:04 nengard but if you can truncate it :) 13:04 nengard maybe truncate it and put the code in parense after it 13:04 nengard parens 13:05 oleonard I made a comment on the bug regarding that: The maximum length of the authorised_value is the same as for the description, so potentially the length of each could be the same 13:05 oleonard It's really just a choice of the librarian to use something shorter for the authorised_value (or not) 13:06 talljoy Morning all! I am looking for the name of the script to import authority records into koha. Is it bulkauthimport.pl? 13:06 kf bulkmarcimport with -a as option 13:07 talljoy so bulkmarcimport.pl -a filename ? 13:07 kf hm not sure about the option, but it has documentation 13:07 talljoy okay on the wiki? 13:07 jcamins_away talljoy: something like that. 13:07 kf try -h 13:07 kf or --h 13:07 jcamins If you run bulkmarcimport.pl without any arguments, that'll do it. 13:08 talljoy do i need to specify a file name? 13:08 jcamins talljoy: not if you want help. :) 13:08 * jcamins hasn't had breakfast yet. 13:09 * talljoy is still sucking down her first cup of coffee 13:09 oleonard nengard: Here's an example that shows a maxed-out description length: http://www.screencast.com/t/h2WQbzeHiWR 13:10 jcamins "Attention! You must fill out this online form now!!! PS- our server is shut down until the fall." 13:11 oleonard Poor server needs a vaycay. 13:12 nengard oleonard that works 13:12 nengard but some libraries might want that code in there too - I'm not sure 13:12 nengard (I don't need it) :) 13:24 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6612] Sort pulldown for messages in alphabetical order <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6612> 13:54 Carl Hello! 13:55 oleonard Hi Carl 13:55 Carl I have a question about a missing "Save"-button in the Koha admin 13:55 Carl under "Staff client" 13:56 wizzyrea question? 13:56 Carl And this is a opportunity to try this Koha chat 13:56 oleonard /cgi-bin/koha/admin/preferences.pl?tab=staff_client ? 13:57 Carl well, I made some changes under "intranetcolorstylesheet" 13:57 oleonard I do find that the save button is partially obscured by the language chooser. Do you have translations enabled? 13:58 Carl hm, well, I don't think so 13:58 Carl can you describe in more detail? 13:59 oleonard Carl, you would have had to manually install translations and enable them 13:59 oleonard Carl, what version of Koha are you using? 14:00 Carl 3.3 a think 14:00 Carl I think 14:00 oleonard Carl, you see no "Save all Staff Client preferences" button at the bottom of the page? 14:00 Carl and I'm a very new user... 14:00 wizzyrea just curious, what changes did you make to the intranetcolorstylesheet 14:00 Carl precisely, it disapeared 14:01 Carl som bad changes I guess... 14:01 Carl a copied a code from a forum 14:02 wizzyrea can you paste it here? 14:02 oleonard Paste it here if you still have it: http://paste.koha-community.org/ 14:02 * wizzyrea wonders if you could negate the offending css using firebug then undo it 14:02 wizzyrea so you had a save button 14:03 Carl yes 14:03 Carl and than it went away 14:03 Carl inline styles */ #login h1 { background:url("http://www.myacpl.org/sites/all/themes/npl/logo.png") no-repeat scroll center top transparent; } #login h1 a { height:71px; } 14:03 Carl maybe some part is missing 14:03 oleonard that looks familiar 14:03 * wizzyrea giggles 14:03 Carl ok? 14:04 * jcamins was just about to say it was familiar, too 14:04 wizzyrea (we laugh because oleonard wrote that post) 14:04 wizzyrea ;) 14:04 Carl :-) 14:05 Carl well, the problem is that I want to delete it 14:05 Carl before our IT staff comes back from vacation 14:05 oleonard Carl, did you put that in intranetcolorstylesheet or in IntranetUserCSS? 14:05 Carl in intranetcolorstylesheet 14:06 wizzyrea oooo 14:07 Carl I should say that I'm just an ordinary librarian, trying to learn the back end stuff 14:07 wizzyrea everybody starts somewhere :) 14:07 vfernandes hi Koha community :) 14:07 wizzyrea hi vfernandes 14:07 Carl yes, indeed 14:08 wizzyrea in my experience there are no 'ordinary' librarians. 14:08 Carl but, is there maybe an "undo" function in Koha? 14:08 oleonard Carl: That stuff should have gone into the IntranetUserCSS pref instead. However, I can't duplicate your problem event if I put it in intranetcolorstylesheet 14:08 Carl ok 14:08 vfernandes one question... i'm using koha 3.2.6 and in the detail page if the record title as " the catalogue toolbar doesn't appear correctly 14:08 Carl maybe you didn't get the full code 14:08 Carl oleonard 14:08 wahanui oleonard is, like, the master UI designer of koha or an awesome bug wrangler 14:09 oleonard Carl: I also find that if I clear the intranetcolorstylesheet form field and hit enter with the cursor still in the field the form submits 14:10 Carl hm, not for me 14:10 wizzyrea which browser? 14:11 Carl Firefox 5.0.1 Mac 14:11 Carl but I have tried om PC with IE also 14:12 jcamins Carl: try this: use the syspref search function to search for Intranetcolor 14:12 jcamins Do you have a save button on that page? 14:12 jcamins (on the search results page, that is) 14:13 * oleonard can submit with enter in IE8 14:14 Carl ok, wait 14:14 Carl no save button 14:15 Barrc help! - just got Koha 2.2.7 up on a server with a view to upgrade, however I can't figure out the search/indexing - anyone remember it? 14:15 Carl ahhh, thank you jcamins!! 14:15 wizzyrea searching faq? 14:15 wahanui searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/ 14:16 oleonard that won't help with 2.2.7 though 14:16 wizzyrea oh true 14:16 oleonard There wasn't any indexing in 2.2.7, just brute mysql 14:16 * wizzyrea read that 2 as a 3 14:16 Carl no save button, but I was able to use the enter cursor as oleonard suggested 14:16 wizzyrea is it working now? 14:16 Carl yes! 14:16 wizzyrea great! 14:16 Carl thank you! 14:17 jcamins Barrc: do you mean *3*.2.7? 14:17 Barrc Nope - 2.2.7 14:17 Carl I will surely use this chat again! 14:17 Barrc I need to migrate it to 3.4 14:17 Barrc but I can't do an in place upgrade 14:17 wizzyrea isn't there ~/kohaclone/misc/migration_tools/rebuild-nozebra.pl 14:17 Barrc so I have to start with 2.2.7 on the new server, then import the existing 2.2.7 DB, then upgrade 14:18 Barrc No - there doesn't seem to be any mention of Zebra 14:18 wizzyrea right, 2.2 14:18 wizzyrea so, in migration tools, there's no "rebuild index" at lal? 14:18 wizzyrea all* 14:18 * wizzyrea will shut up now 14:18 Barrc no - there are 8 scripts, all related to rebuilding 14:18 jcamins Barrc: in that case, I can't give you any useful advice. 2.2.7 is very old, but that's about all I know about it. 14:18 Barrc no index mentioned 14:19 wizzyrea ... 14:19 Barrc authorities, LANG, 6xx etc 14:19 oleonard Barrc: What exactly are you trying to do? Do you ask your question because searching isn't working? 14:19 chris_n kf: shoot me an email re bug 6589 and I'll look at it; it shouldn't be a problem to include 14:19 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6589 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , can't add supplements 14:20 Barrc oleonard: I have an old 2.2.7 install that we need to get up to 3.4.2. However, we need to move it to another server also 14:20 * chris_n heads off to the phone booth to change outfits 14:20 Barrc So, I installed 2.2.7 on the new server and imported the sqldump from the old server into it 14:21 Barrc I was then looking for zebra to rebuild but I can't find it anywhere. If I search Koha (2.2.7) I get hit counts but not bib/item info 14:23 oleonard Barrc: Yeah, no Zebra in 2.2.7 14:23 oleonard No idea why your search isn't working though 14:23 Barrc All the bibs say "No Title" - seems to get a hit count though! 14:24 wizzyrea maybe a framework problem? 14:24 oleonard I'm guessing two possibilities: 1) Your import went wrong somehow or 2) The import went fine, it's a problem with 2.2.7, and when you upgrade everything will be okay 14:24 oleonard That is a guess, though. 14:24 Barrc I was thinking about option 2 myself - hoping it might be the case. 14:25 kf chris_n: still around? 14:25 chris_n yup, for a moment 14:26 chris_n still trying to get the 'S' oriented correctly ;-) 14:29 chris_n kf: gotta run, but will check back with you later 14:29 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6540] Add more options to koha-create <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6540> 14:30 * oleonard hopes Carl doesn't hotlink his library's logo forever. At the very least it will be confusing to his users 14:38 wizzyrea i somehow doubt he'll try that code again. hehe 14:39 kf chris_n: sorry... now i was not here - sent you an email 15:12 oleonard wizzyrea: Do your libraries each do their own cataloging on site? 15:15 wizzyrea oleonard: yes sir, they do 15:16 oleonard Okay, then I can't compare workflows. We do all our cataloging at the main library and then distribute. 15:16 wizzyrea oo 15:16 oleonard We need a better way of keeping track of stuff between when it is cataloged and when it reaches the branches 15:17 wizzyrea oh i see. 15:17 wizzyrea well there's that cataloging to cart feature thinger 15:17 wizzyrea sec let me find the bug 15:17 oleonard that uses shelving location doesn't it? 15:17 wizzyrea I think so yea 15:18 oleonard Yeah, I don't find shelving location to be useful when there isn't an easy way for the circ staff to set or unset it 15:18 wizzyrea because batchmod can't unset it? 15:18 wizzyrea http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3481 15:18 huginn` 04Bug 3481: enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, In Processing/Shelving Cart locations 15:18 wizzyrea is the one 15:18 oleonard Because I don't want the circ staff using batchmod 15:18 wizzyrea AHA 15:18 oleonard I want a transfers-like interface for shelving location. 15:19 wizzyrea oooo 15:19 wizzyrea now that is actually a really good idea 15:20 wizzyrea the way 3481 works is kind of silly 15:20 * oleonard listens for the sound of wizzyrea running off to write it right now 15:25 wizzyrea heh 15:26 oleonard In fact, I see no reason why shelving location shouldn't be integrated into the existing transfers page 15:27 wizzyrea you're thinking scan a barcode, pick a location, click submit? 15:27 wizzyrea or pick a location, scan a barcode, it autosubmits 15:27 oleonard The latter 15:27 wizzyrea yea, the 2nd is probably more realistic 15:28 wizzyrea and you'd want circ staff to be able to do that 15:28 wizzyrea so no cataloging permissions required 15:29 oleonard Right, so that I can have the circ staff move something from the shelf to the display case, for instance 15:29 * wizzyrea wonders why it doesn't work like that now. 15:29 wizzyrea :P 15:29 oleonard Because no one asked me, obviously! 15:29 wizzyrea :D 15:48 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6428] refered column 'items.coded_location_qualifier' does not exist <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6428> 15:54 oleonard Bug 6615 15:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6615 enhancement, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Add shelving location option to transfers page 15:54 oleonard An enhancement bug is one step above wishing it silently to one's self. 15:55 wizzyrea that has applications, someone will want it. 15:55 wizzyrea it's not like "make everything blue because white is boring" 15:59 * oleonard was just about to get right on that 16:31 rhcl_away wizzyrea: thoughts on freegal? 16:31 wizzyrea let me get you johnindy 16:31 wizzyrea one se 16:31 wizzyrea c 16:31 Johnindy I looked into it 16:31 Johnindy almost did it then read a really interesting blog post on why not to do it 16:31 Johnindy let me find that 16:31 rhcl Ok. Thanks 16:32 Johnindy http://librarianinblack.net/librarianinblack/2011/04/just-say-no-to-freegal.html 16:32 rhcl lemme look 16:32 wizzyrea (that is to say, my opinion is directly related to johnindy's opinion, as I trust his judgement) 16:33 Johnindy I think it's interesting but I don't think music in libraries is where we want it to be yet 16:39 rhcl Well, read the article. Not sure what to think exactly, but concur with some of the points in the post. Thing is, some of the criticisms I apply to OverDrive, and we got that. 16:41 wizzyrea the comments I think are where the really interesting discussion is. 16:41 wizzyrea namely that you're buying an mp3 for a library patron with public funds. 16:41 wizzyrea which seems weird and a little bit wrong. 16:43 rhcl agree 16:43 rhcl ping slef 16:44 rhcl @later tell slef Have you ever been to a B-Sides event? http://www.securitybsides.com/w/page/27749044/BSidesLondon 16:44 huginn` rhcl: The operation succeeded. 16:47 reiveune bye 17:08 jcamins Ooh, LibraryThing is expanding. 17:23 sekjal jcamins: I think I'm on the right track of non-ICU diacritics search support 17:23 magnuse sekjal++ 17:24 jcamins Woohoo! 17:24 jcamins How? 17:24 sekjal I was able to get a record to turn up in my diacritic-less search that previously only appeared with accented characters 17:24 jcamins Excellent! 17:24 sekjal solution: format the record in NFC 17:25 jcamins Does that work with A-with-a-macron? 17:25 sekjal was testing on O-with-an-umlaut 17:25 jcamins Because that's one of the letters where NFC and NFKC may be different. 17:27 hdl sekjal: the NFC encoding is default in koha iirc... is it not ? 17:27 hdl at least I think i sent some patches about that months ago 17:27 jcamins hdl: for display, yes. 17:28 sekjal jcamins: I'll test on that specific one next 17:28 hdl jcamins: for our devs, even in marcxml 17:28 jcamins hdl: however, the work from BibLibre that I saw only affected the display and not the storage. 17:28 hdl it is done in C4::Biblio 17:28 sekjal hdl: I'm not sure how the MARC records were getting normalized, but they're not all uniformly in NFC 17:28 sekjal could be any number of reasons 17:29 sekjal best solution would be to figure out how to make sure they're always NFC before saving, but barring that, my fixer script could be used periodically to do cleanup 17:29 kf oleonard: it's a nice idea :) 17:29 kf oh... should scroll first 17:29 hdl sekjal: jcamins C4::Charset SetUTF8Flag function normalizes the data. 17:30 hdl used in C4::Biblio AddBiblio 17:30 hdl http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=blob;f=C4/Biblio.pm;h=639cc840f2a5532ade2e780c513e8b2ecdc54413;hb=41bcbcf885b34a863cf3b78da868c2895f41a3ec 17:30 hdl line 262 17:31 * hdl always frustrated to see ppl spending time over and over redoing things. 17:31 hdl But wel... 17:32 sekjal hdl: but that would only apply for AddBiblio... what about in cases of modifying or overlaying with Z39.50 records? 17:32 jcamins hdl: I seem to remember there being a problem with that that I commented on on bugzilla. 17:32 hdl have not seen your coment 17:33 jcamins I'm looking for it now. 17:33 jcamins Hm. Can't seem to find it. 17:34 hdl sekjal: it always get into your catalogue through AddBiblio 17:35 jcamins hdl: you had added a SetUTF8Flag call to opac-details.pl at one point, because there were certain circumstances where the records weren't being normalized, hadn't you? 17:35 jcamins Yes. 17:35 jcamins Bug 5965. 17:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5965 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, RESOLVED FIXED, Make sure opac-detail.pl outputs marc in utf-8 17:35 hdl Yes... at that moment, I had problems with display 17:35 jcamins So whatever that underlying issue is needs to be fixed. 17:36 hdl But also thought that Koha should internally normalize the Unicode Encoding. 17:36 jcamins I agree. 17:36 hdl and since NFC was to be used... 17:36 hdl for display. 17:36 sekjal okay, great, so we've got a subroutine for correctly normalizing MARC records into NFC 17:36 hdl And yaz-icu was coping with NFD transformation. 17:37 sekjal so, I guess the thing to do is to fix up all the existing records into NFC, then run the system normally for a while, and see if any lose their normalization 17:37 sekjal if so, then there is code somewhere that bypasses SetUTF8Flag() 17:38 jcamins Iff you have upgraded the database to 3.4, everything should be correct. 17:38 jcamins The remove_biblioitems script uses ModBiblio, does it not? 17:39 sekjal jcamins: yes, it does 17:39 sekjal I'm currently testing this on a pre 3-4 system 17:39 jcamins sekjal: ah. 17:39 sekjal perhaps that's why 17:39 jcamins sekjal: try running touch_all_biblios. 17:41 jcamins (to see if that corrects the normalization) 18:30 jcamins @later tell nengard Regarding the latest bug on the 505 tag, I think I may have submitted a patch for that. If I did, you should have it sitting in your inbox for signing off. 18:30 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded. 18:40 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6616] Move common table pager markup to include <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6616> 18:48 hdl good night 18:49 wizzyrea hmm apparently if you hit enter when presented with a "confirm hold" dialog, it doesn't confirm or ignore the hold, but it does close the transfer 18:50 wizzyrea that seems like odd behavior 18:51 oleonard I think the question is where is the focus 18:51 wizzyrea *nod* 18:51 oleonard Probably in the barcode field 18:52 wizzyrea this also happens if you scan another item without clicking confirm 18:52 wizzyrea (it's my opinion that it should do nothing until the confirm or ignore button is clicked) 18:54 oleonard I think I agree 18:59 sekjal wizzyrea: I recall a great discussion about this issue some weeks/months ago 18:59 cait hi #koha 18:59 sekjal hey, cait 19:00 rhcl wizzyrea: wanna come to a party? I can invite you (in fact, I can invite everybody). 19:00 rhcl Security B-Sides started as a free alternative to some major security conferences (Black hat, RSA, etc.). These events are smaller and FREE! 19:01 rhcl http://www.securitybsides.com/w/page/35094907/BSidesMo 19:01 rhcl wonder if there are any Koha security topics I could present on????? 19:04 oleonard sekjal: On irc? 19:04 sekjal oleonard: yes 19:04 wizzyrea ... was I involved? 19:04 wizzyrea >.> because I'm totally not remembering this 19:06 sekjal trying to find link.. on moment 19:07 rhcl I think I was part of that discussion. Is that where the "y" and "n" don't do anything? 19:07 oleonard I remember that discussion. I consider that to be a different subject. 19:07 rhcl unless clicked? Pressing Y and N doesn't do anything, despite the impression it should. 19:07 rhcl ah, ok 19:08 sekjal http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2011-04-26#i_654179 19:08 sekjal ah 19:08 sekjal just re-read wizzyrea's original issue 19:08 wizzyrea oh yea, late night 19:09 sekjal and yes, oleonard, different subject, I think 19:12 oleonard I think I still vote for hiding the barcode field and display only the confirmation message 19:12 * oleonard doesn't like the disabled barcode field in circ, thinks it should either work or not be there 19:13 wizzyrea oh and regarding user behavior 19:13 wizzyrea the software is wrong, not the people >.> 19:13 wizzyrea though people are often inconsistent. 19:15 wizzyrea oleonard: I like that 19:15 oleonard That disabled barcode field is an itch I've been meaning to scratch. 19:15 wizzyrea hide the barcode field and focus one of the buttons (probably confirm?) 19:15 sekjal syspref to choose focus on confirm/cancel? 19:15 wizzyrea and we'd need to make sure to address the situation where it's just a transit message 19:15 wizzyrea with no buttons 19:16 wizzyrea (leave the barcode box alone) 19:16 wizzyrea seems silly to have to have a syspref for it, but I suppose it should probably be so yea 19:16 oleonard Bug 6616 will help me do something like this: http://www.screencast.com/t/NOVJ0sIwzx 19:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6616 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Move common table pager markup to include 19:17 rhcl reading the irc from back then...just a followup note, barcode readers can be programmed to either send a carriage return or not 19:17 wizzyrea right, but you want it in most cases 19:17 wizzyrea all of our libraries send a CR 19:17 wizzyrea and prefer it that way 19:17 rhcl yea, but for programming you can't presume either 19:17 sekjal or else a bit of JQuery people could add to change default focus to "cancel", for those few folks who'd want to do that 19:18 wizzyrea ^^ seems like a less expansive, and perhaps better solution 19:18 oleonard Ain't no one gonna get into reprogramming their barcode reader for this 19:19 wizzyrea it should work both ways anyway 19:19 rhcl exactly 19:20 sekjal we can't always code to @quote123 19:20 sekjal we'll go crazy 19:20 wizzyrea @quote get 123 19:20 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 19:20 wizzyrea i think make the behavior default 19:20 wizzyrea and we can jquery our way out of it 19:20 wizzyrea if necessary 19:21 oleonard Make what behavior default? 19:21 wizzyrea confirm as default focus 19:21 wizzyrea print/confirm should be an explicit decision 19:21 wizzyrea as should ignore 19:21 wizzyrea and if someone wants it different, they can do that with jquery. It's one of the reasons koha is so flexible 19:22 * oleonard starts tinkering 19:22 * wizzyrea will file the bug 19:23 oleonard Mark it as assigned to me unless someone else wants to wrastle me for it 19:23 wizzyrea :) 19:23 wizzyrea k 19:25 oleonard Okay, here's a tricky one. Should some error messages require confirmation as well? "No item with that barcode," for instance? 19:25 wizzyrea i think that one's purely informational 19:25 wizzyrea imo 19:26 wizzyrea we just sent you down the rabbit hold didn't we 19:26 wizzyrea s/hold/hole 19:38 wizzyrea I think that there are actually 2 different things going on here 19:38 wizzyrea now that i've looked at it closely 19:40 wizzyrea holds with incoming transits 1. don't show the ignore button 2. simply scanning the book completes the transfer, but 3. if you just hit enter, it's like you clicked ignore but 4. the status is wrong (screencap to come) 19:40 oleonard Quick demo: http://screencast.com/t/299TjpzAd8ss (minus any focus-handling) 19:43 wizzyrea oleonard++ that's good. What does it look like when it's an incoming transfer? 19:43 wizzyrea writing this bug may be a bigger pita than you fixing it lol ;) 19:44 rangi those are the best kind of bugs 19:44 oleonard You mean something which is already marked as waiting but is coming from another branch wizzyrea ? 19:44 rangi much better than the other way round 19:44 wizzyrea I mean something that is in transit to your branch to fill a hold 19:45 wizzyrea ex: lib A book in transit to lib B, what does it look like when that gets checked in 19:45 wizzyrea to fill a hold 19:46 cait oleonard: I like the new table sorter thing :) 19:47 rangi it shouldn't be waiting at that point, should get marked waiting when checked in, if the librarian wants it to be marked waiting 19:47 cait checking your screenshots :) 19:47 oleonard You're right rangi 19:47 rangi cait: ill find the playlist when I get to work 19:48 rangi heard anything more about ruth? 19:48 wizzyrea there was a post from lindsey this morning 19:48 wizzyrea but mostly that said "she's ok and was awake" 19:49 wizzyrea http://www.librarygeekgirl.net/ 19:49 rangi yup thats the last I saw too 19:49 rangi cool 19:49 rangi awake and ok is good 19:49 wizzyrea *nod* 19:49 rhcl Kelly likes the ignore button. 19:50 oleonard wizzyrea: In the example you ask about there's just the confirm and print/confirm buttons. No ignore. So you would have to choose one of those options to proceed. 19:51 wizzyrea right. 19:51 wizzyrea sharon was wondering why there was no ignore. But that's another issue. 19:51 oleonard It item is already allocated for a patron, so there's not really anything an 'ignore' button could do 19:52 oleonard The ignore button in the other message is to let you *not* allocate that copy to that person if you don't want to 19:52 wizzyrea excellent that's a great explanation 19:52 wizzyrea and also explains the message 19:53 wizzyrea that makes perfect sense, and sharon agrees that your approach is just great 19:53 wizzyrea what happens if it's just a transit home with no hold? 19:54 wizzyrea (aside, it might be nice to click through that message 19:54 rangi then a voice just screams "incoming" and everyone ducks and rolls 19:54 wizzyrea LOL 19:54 wizzyrea that really did make me laugh 19:55 rangi and that is why im banned from interface design 19:56 wizzyrea you know the librarians *were* asking for an additional sound cue there. 19:56 wizzyrea rangi screaming "incoming" might be just the ticket 19:56 wizzyrea they ought to be careful what they wish for 19:57 rangi heh 19:58 oleonard wizzyrea: "it might be nice to click through that message" ? 19:58 wizzyrea never mind. librarians are fickle. 19:58 wizzyrea @quote get 123 19:58 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 19:59 wizzyrea i should say, people are fickle. 20:00 rangi Be back after coffee 20:03 oleonard Be back after 16 hours 20:15 rangi back 20:16 rangi cait: http://grooveshark.com/#/playlist/Koha+Hacking/8190140 20:28 rangi wb cait 20:28 cait :) 20:28 cait rangi: thx :) 20:34 jenkins_koha Starting build 331 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 20:35 rangi heya nengard 20:35 wahanui i heard nengard was fast 20:35 nengard hiya 20:35 nengard at the hospital with druthb 20:35 nengard anyone want me to pass on a message? 20:35 rangi just a hug from me 20:35 jcamins A hug from me as well. 20:36 nengard both have been passed on :) 20:36 rangi :) 20:37 wizzyrea and more hugs (but not if they hurt) 20:37 cait nengard: more hugs from me! 20:37 rangi hehe 20:37 nengard she's all smiles over here 20:37 nengard druthb asks cait to sing soft kitty 20:38 cait oh 20:38 cait I think the situation qualifies 20:38 cait soft kitty warm kitty little ball of fur 20:38 cait happy kitty sleepy kitty 20:38 cait purr purr purr 20:38 * wizzyrea feels soothed 20:39 wizzyrea some day soon we'll do a g+ hangout with her :) 20:39 nengard hehe 20:39 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 6484 - due date sorter on 'my summary' missing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=203de2452e2e8358a74b35a54d349d72382b5b3f> 20:39 wizzyrea when she's feeling up to it 20:39 nengard she's not allowed to move right now :( 20:39 nengard has to lay flat 20:39 cait promise her I will sing :) 20:39 nengard I would need morphine to deal with that 20:39 wizzyrea ^^ 20:39 nengard but once she can sit up she'll be up ot it 20:39 rangi caits singing isnt that bad nengard!!! 20:39 cait hehe 20:40 nengard that's not what i meant!! 20:40 nengard and you know it 20:40 rangi hehe 20:40 nengard I meant the laying still bit 20:40 rangi the logs don't lie 20:40 nengard the logs don't know when is tarted typing 20:40 cait yep, you said _you_ would need morphine 20:40 nengard i started typing 20:40 nengard and brooke says she'll sit on you 20:40 nengard rangi 20:40 rangi i can outrun her 20:40 cait I think he can 20:41 nengard brooke says you think you can outrun her 20:41 cait ... and I am gonna stop brooke from running after him 20:41 wizzyrea seems likely he chases 2 kids under 5 most of the time. 20:41 wizzyrea and his kids are *fast* 20:41 nengard stubbor brooke still thinks she's right 20:41 nengard stubborn 20:44 cait stubborn sounds like brooke :) 20:44 nengard heh 20:46 cait stupid mouse 20:51 nengard jcamins regarding the 505 patch 20:51 nengard i don't think i have one waiting for sign off in my email 20:51 jcamins nengard: hm, in that case, I didn't write one, I just thought about it. 20:52 jcamins This would be from a while ago. 20:54 nengard jcamins do you know what bug it was attached to? 20:54 nengard so i could search for it? 20:59 jcamins nengard: unfortunately, no. 21:03 jcamins If you couldn't find it by searching for jcamins and 505, though, I probably never actually wrote it. 21:06 rangi http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2011/07/21/halfway-to-3-6-0-and-a-brief-explanation-of-the-release-process/ <-- how many typos did i make, im guessing 4 21:07 rangi hdl: did you see the email from Sébastien at lyon about drupal and koha? 21:08 rangi and good evening :) 21:13 cait halfway - wow 21:13 rangi crazy right 21:15 nengard 64 people in 3 months is awesome too 21:17 rangi yup yup 21:17 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #331: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/331/ 21:17 jenkins_koha oleonard: Fix for Bug 6484 - due date sorter on 'my summary' missing 21:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6484 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Due date sorter on 'my summary' missing 21:18 Space_Librarian o/ 21:19 jcamins I wonder if I was one of those 64 people. 21:19 cait do you have a list of the new features you mention` 21:19 cait ? 21:19 rangi yeah 21:19 rangi http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/ 21:20 rangi theres the bug numbers there 21:21 cait bug numbers - yay ;) 21:22 * cait had hoped for something easier to process at this time of the night :P 21:22 jcamins Ooh, I do have something in 3.6! :D 21:23 rangi heh 21:23 rangi cait 21:23 rangi give me 20 mins 21:23 rangi and ill make those all links 21:24 cait links would be nice, but don't worry about it 21:24 jcamins cait: http://xkcd.com/208/ 21:25 sekjal got to run. have a good night, #koha! 21:29 rangi http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/ <--cait 21:30 cait wow :) 21:30 cait rangi++ 21:31 rangi emacs + ikiwiki make doing that fast 21:32 rangi i just edit it locally and git push, and shazam 21:33 cait :) 21:38 rangi cait: http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/ikiwiki.cgi?do=branchable 21:38 rangi you can even clone it, and send me patches or, give me your ssh key, and you can update it yourself :) 21:39 * liw waves 21:40 rangi heya liw :) 21:40 cait hi liw 21:41 rangi another cool thing about branchable.com is by paying for it, you give liw money, which gives him time to create more cool software .. its win-win 21:42 hdl hi rangi. Just answered that. 21:42 rangi hdl: excellent thanks ;) 21:44 liw rangi, heh :) 21:48 cait rangi: aha! 21:53 libsysguy I have another git question 21:53 libsysguy maybe I should change my name to gitquestionguy 21:53 rangi heh 21:54 libsysguy anyway...when you do a rebase...is it git rebase origin or git rebase master 21:54 jcamins rangi: ikiwiki does have a dark side, though... once you start using it, you'll never be able to go back to anything else. 21:54 rangi jcamins: i call that a feature ;) 21:54 jcamins libsysguy: git rebase origin/master 21:54 libsysguy so the / matters 21:54 rangi libsysguy: its git rebase whatever branch you want to rebase on 21:54 rangi it could be origin/master 21:55 libsysguy oh... 21:55 rangi it might be origin/fruitbasket 21:55 rangi or git rebase cheesesticks 21:55 wizzyrea whoa bug 6611 is a big effin deal 21:55 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6611 critical, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , patron barcode removed when editing an attribute 21:55 rangi its up to you 21:55 libsysguy gotcha 21:55 rangi you can recreate wizzy? 21:55 wizzyrea yes 21:55 wizzyrea I just did 21:55 rangi k, ill look now 21:57 wizzyrea it also seems to accept a space as a patron barcode, for multiple patrons. 21:57 wizzyrea I thought they were supposed to be unique? 21:57 rangi no that has been removed 21:58 wizzyrea ah 22:01 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6613: CSV basket export columns misaligned <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c414c11d64d2071b3b8ee597807ddd939de0c6ed> / Fix for Bug 6612 - Sort pulldown for messages in alphabetical order <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0699c8af84f7e3c13c0a48197b581a5375f4f039> 22:01 rangi just upgrading my test db 22:01 rangi ill try to get a patch out for you to sign off shortly 22:02 rangi wow thats an odd one 22:02 rangi can def replicate here too, k 22:04 rangi dont think it is TT 22:04 jenkins_koha Starting build 332 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:05 francharb good night all 22:05 rangi $newdata{'cardnumber'} = undef if $newdata{'cardnumber'} =~ /^\s*$/; 22:06 rangi now in that form, the cardnumber isnt passed, so its undef all ready 22:07 rangi then later it just calls &ModMember(%newdata) 22:07 rangi which cheerfully replaces the cardnumber with null 22:08 rangi because now the db allows that 22:08 cait sounds ouch 22:08 jcamins cheesesticks? fruit basket? Is someone hungry? 22:08 cait yes me - and tired 22:08 jcamins Oh, right. Me. 22:08 jcamins Good night, #koha 22:08 cait cookies? 22:08 wahanui Cookies are delicious delicacies 22:08 jcamins_away Actually, pasta salad. 22:09 cait mmm 22:09 * cait holds up her plate 22:09 rangi cardnumber` varchar(16) DEFAULT NULL, 22:11 rangi its fixable with a template change, doing so now 22:11 rangi (but wasnt caused by a template change, was caused by the fact we are now allowed to make cardnumber not mandatory) 22:14 rangi k, patch on its way 22:15 cait hm 22:25 rangi wizzyrea: you about? 22:31 rangi hi Irma 22:31 Space_Librarian bon jour Irma 22:32 Irma Hi there rangi 22:32 Irma wet jour Space_Librarian 22:32 Irma It's still raining and raining 22:32 Space_Librarian still raining in Sydney? 22:32 Space_Librarian I heard there was a bit of a downpour yesterday. 22:32 Irma Sydney Harbour looks quite full! 22:33 Irma I am pleased Judit will meet you both in W'ton on Monday 22:33 Irma Thanks for welcoming her 22:34 Space_Librarian Our pleasure. 22:34 rangi 45 people coming to the user group meeting now Irma 22:34 Space_Librarian I think she'll enjoy the visit. 22:34 Irma wow 22:34 Irma that is great! 22:34 rangi yup 22:35 Irma Perhaps even more than coming back to work next Wednesday/Thursday :-) 22:35 Irma We are so busy! 22:35 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6611] patron barcode removed when editing an attribute <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6611> 22:36 Irma Wishing you a good day all 22:36 Irma back soon :-) 22:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #332: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/332/ 22:47 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Fix for Bug 6612 - Sort pulldown for messages in alphabetical order 22:47 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Bug 6613: CSV basket export columns misaligned 22:47 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6612 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Sort pulldown for messages in alphabetical order 22:47 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6613 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , csv basket export columns misaligned 23:52 eythian rangi: can you tell git bz that you're applying a patch with the intent to sign off on it? 23:53 rangi not yet 23:53 rangi we should get bug to add that 23:53 eythian yeah. 23:53 rangi with his python skills 23:53 rangi and a -s and -3 switches 23:53 eythian Alternately, is there a way to mark a patch that's been signed off on committable? 23:53 eythian err 23:53 eythian other way around 23:53 wahanui i heard other way around was more readable as far as the intent of the clause 23:53 rangi git commit --amend -s 23:53 eythian ah, ta