IRC log for #koha, 2011-05-17

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00:29 rangi quiet
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00:50 gmcharlt boo!
00:51 rangi heh
00:58 eythian <-- ...
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02:01 indradg morning #koha
02:02 indradg @wunder kolkata
02:02 huginn` indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 31.0�C (7:20 AM IST on May 17, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 27.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
02:19 rangi hi indradg
02:20 indradg rangi, hi
02:20 rangi i was wondering, is there a webpage anywhere about the west bengal project?
02:22 rangi[…]d-regarding-koha/
02:22 rangi cos id love to respond to this with a link to it :)
02:41 indradg rangi, no there is no webpage yet... however in another 10 days time, I would be able to officially write about it.. coz by 25th May the first batch of 30 libraries are to be deployed
02:42 indradg i'm also discussing with the client about press releases and such
02:43 rangi awesome!
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02:52 indradg rangi, pm?
02:53 rangi fire away
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02:57 rangi heya pianohacker
02:57 wahanui it has been said that pianohacker is our favorite boy genius or the genius who gave us our awesome ajax pref panel
02:57 pianohacker hi chris
02:57 pianohacker how's it going?
03:00 rangi pretty good, sun is shining
03:00 rangi @wunder wellington nz
03:00 huginn` rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (2:00 PM NZST on May 17, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.39 in 995 hPa (Steady).
03:00 rangi lovely autumn day
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03:22 eythian tis quite nice out there, doesn't quite feel 18, but still pretty good.
03:24 rangi heya hdl and druthb
03:24 druthb hi rangi
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03:31 hdl hi rangi
03:32 rangi you are up very early hdl, or are you in a different timezone?
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03:39 hdl No. Up quite early. Koha keeps me awake.
03:39 rangi i can relate to that
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04:09 bg evening
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04:10 eythian afternoon.
04:10 bg ok afternoon euthian
04:10 bg damn
04:10 bg eythian
04:10 bg :)
04:10 eythian :D
04:21 pastebot "rangi" at pasted "git bz" (11 lines) at
04:21 rangi yes!!
04:22 * bg looks
04:22 bg huh
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04:22 rangi fetches the patch from bugzilla and applies it
04:23 bg no
04:23 rangi i had to hack at git-bz a bit to work
04:23 rangi make it work even
04:23 bg hmm....  that's pretty swwet
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04:23 rangi tomorrow ill clean it up and put it up somewhere for people to use
04:23 Oak \o
04:24 rangi should make it a lot easier for people to signoff, and for sekjal to do qa
04:24 bg hi Oak
04:24 Oak hi bg
04:25 bg hmm... rangi what else can we do?
04:25 Oak The Spoon Theory by Christine Miserandino:
04:26 rangi attach, apply, edit
04:27 rangi file (which is like attach, but makes a new bug)
04:27 bg ooh  I like edit...  that sounds good
04:27 rangi so you can make a patch, then git bz file and that will make a bug and attach the patch in one go
04:43 eythian New 3.2.9 and master packages out, for everyone's enjoyment.
04:44 rangi yay! that will make adnc happy
04:44 rangi eythian++
04:45 eythian adnc?
04:45 rangi someone from germany who kept asking abtout 3.4.0 packages :)
04:46 eythian Oh right. The master packages aren't anything special, they don't have the bits I want to add to 3.4 in them
04:46 rangi ahh
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05:13 cait hi #koha
05:19 cait git-bz? :)
05:19 eythian lets you talk to bugzilla with git
05:21 cait
05:21 cait hi eythian :)
05:22 cait excuse?
05:22 wahanui cait: nesting roaches shorted out the ether cable
05:22 eythian cait: hi, and bye!
05:22 cait have a nice evening
05:22 eythian I've got to go wave sticks at people for a couple of hours
05:22 cait ?
05:25 Space_Librarian_ he does some sort of ancient fencing like kendo or something.
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05:34 cait ah
05:34 cait thx Space_Librarian_ :)
05:34 Space_Librarian_ np
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06:32 alex_a bonjour #koha
06:42 Ropuch Morning #koha [;
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06:52 cait bonjour alex_a
06:52 cait hi Ropuch :)
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06:53 alex_a hello cait :)
06:54 cait :)
06:54 cait @wunder marseille
06:54 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 16.0�C (8:30 AM CEST on May 17, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
06:54 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:54 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.8�C (8:55 AM CEST on May 17, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1024.6 hPa (Steady).
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06:56 cait hi hdl
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08:32 glernil found a bug
08:33 glernil can't create a report using wizard in 3.04.
08:34 rangi its been reported
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08:47 * magnuse places a big pile of hot dogs and ice cream in the middle of #koha
08:56 rangi yum
09:00 magnuse it's the national day of norway after all... ;-)
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09:01 hdl magnuse: happy day
09:01 magnuse bonjour and thanks, hdl
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09:23 magnuse latest syspref count: 301 (select count(*) from systempreferences)
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09:27 cait hi #koha
09:27 hdl hi cait.
09:28 cait hi hdl :)
09:31 magnuse hi cait
09:32 cait hi magnuse
09:54 slef hot dogs and ice cream does not sound like the best combo
09:54 slef think I prefer hot dogs with bread and ice cream with fruit
09:55 slef morning all
09:56 cait hi slef
09:57 rangi hi slef
09:58 magnuse kia ora slef
09:58 magnuse it's the traditional menu on may 17th - preferably hot dogs first and ice cream after
10:03 cait what did I miss? :)
10:06 cait hot dogs and ice cream?
10:06 cait yum
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10:31 cait hi BobB
10:31 BobB Hi cait, how are things?
10:32 cait quite good :)
10:32 BobB I don't hang out here much these days.  Just busy.
10:33 cait so busy is good?
10:33 BobB Hmm ... mostly  :)
10:34 cait :)
10:35 BobB Has the release of 3.2.9 been discussed here?  Is there a big issue that's fixed?
10:36 cait security issue
10:37 cait logging into staff  - bug 5995
10:37 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5995 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, matthias.meusburger, ASSIGNED , Glitch with checkauth
10:40 cait rangi++
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10:40 druthb o/
10:40 BobB Interesting indeed.  Thanks cait and huginn`.  I'll go test.
10:41 cait hi druthb :)
10:48 BobB Right.  That is an interesting bug, eh!  Worth an upgrade.
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11:26 druthb cait++ #FREEKIN' GENIUS
11:27 cait ugh
11:27 * cait hides
11:27 magnuse druthb: care to elaborate?
11:29 druthb Bug 6351
11:29 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6351 major, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Cannot delete library-specific circulation rules
11:30 druthb She spotted what was wrong right off.
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11:31 magnuse cool
11:31 magnuse hiya jwagner
11:31 jwagner Hi magnuse
11:31 cait hi jwagner
11:32 jwagner Guten tag, cait
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11:35 Irma Hi all
11:36 cait hi Irma :
11:36 cait :)
11:37 Irma Guten Abend !
11:37 Irma Tag!
11:37 hdl Hi Irma
11:37 Irma Bonjour hdl!
11:38 Irma Ca va?
11:39 Irma I wonder who I should ask about adding the to the calendar on the home page ...
11:41 hdl Irma: wizzyrea or nengard should be the persons for you :D
11:47 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6351] Cannot delete library-specific circulation rules <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6351>
11:50 druthb cait++
11:57 hdl druthb: it is fixed in the management the circulation rules we proposed.
11:57 hdl (well it does not exist there)
12:00 druthb hdl:  coolness.  :)
12:01 hdl please test those branches.
12:01 hdl sign off..
12:01 hdl make comment on those.
12:01 hdl would they have a problem. I am sure we could solve that.
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12:03 conan hi everyone
12:03 druthb If I can get un-buried from three go-lives in the next three weeks, hdl, I'll try to take a look at it.
12:06 conan I found a 'show stopper' for us here and I wanted to know if it could be some missing configuration or if that's the intended way koha should work
12:06 conan we have several libraries
12:06 conan but we want to implement only one instance of koha for all of them
12:07 conan now
12:07 conan the problem I have is that a staff from library X cannot see users from library Y
12:07 conan and we want to borrow books from any library to any user
12:08 conan Am I missing some configuration option ? Or it's on purpose that a staff from X cannot even see users from Y ?
12:09 jwagner conan, is IndependentBranches syspref turned on?
12:09 conan yup
12:09 jwagner Turn it off :-)
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12:11 conan jwagner: hum... but that will allow other actions too
12:11 cait ys
12:11 cait yes
12:11 cait but she is still right
12:11 jwagner Which actions don't you want to allow?
12:11 conan I want staff from X to borrow to user from Y, but I don't want staff from X to be able to return a book that was borrowed by an Y staff
12:12 conan I want books from Y to return to Y
12:12 cait do you have reservefromotherbranches turned on?
12:12 conan yes
12:12 cait hm
12:12 conan oh, wait, was hold... let me check again
12:12 conan canreservefromotherbranches = Allow
12:13 cait about the users
12:13 cait I think you will not get that solved without indybranches off
12:13 cait I think you can bring up a patron from another branch by scanning the cardnumber
12:14 cait but you can't search them
12:14 jwagner What should happen when staff from X try to check in an item belonging to Y is that the system will say the item needs to go in transit to Y
12:14 conan I'll try that
12:15 conan jwagner: staff from X can only borrow stuff from X, not from Y. He/She can ask for an IL loan, I guess
12:15 conan or...
12:15 conan better send the user to the other library, since the majority are here in campus
12:15 conan is less fuss to walk to the other library than to do ILloans
12:22 conan cait: using cardnumber worked fine, I think I can go with that for now
12:22 conan thx
12:23 conan another one now
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12:23 conan I have circulation limits, lets say 4 books for some kind of user, but when staff is checking out books to this user, staff can bypass this limit
12:24 conan is there an option for that? ( I didn't found any on circulation yesterday)
12:24 cait hm
12:24 cait I am not sure you can deactivate the staff override
12:25 conan yes, it does appear a warning say you will borrow more than allowed, but we want to take out that option from staff
12:25 cait check system preferences, search for override and check the circ permissions for staff users
12:25 conan if there is no option, I'll dive into code, but I wanted to prevent that on this stage
12:25 cait or hide the yes with jquery ;)
12:25 conan cait: that's what my boss say all the time: "we'll fix that with js"
12:26 conan but I'm reluctant to do so
12:26 conan js is not my area
12:26 cait it can still be bypassed
12:26 cait but it needs more skill to do so
12:27 cait making it another syspref/permission would be the better solution
12:27 cait I would check there is no option for it and file an enhancement bug as a first step
12:27 conan hum, there are overrides for not_for_loan, for renewal times and for hols, but not for max quantity, I guess this will be solved by code
12:28 cait paul_p: around?
12:28 oleonard I was going to ask the same thing...wondering where to find his saved "old bugs" list
12:29 cait I get the number he does - but with enh
12:29 cait let me see how my saved search looks like
12:29 cait ah, i will ust share it
12:30 oleonard Where does it show up after it has been shared?
12:30 cait oleonard: i shared it as all bugs
12:30 cait preferences
12:31 cait saved searches
12:31 cait and then you can add it to your footer
12:31 oleonard why all bugs?
12:32 cait hm?
12:32 cait the name?
12:32 wahanui it has been said that the name is 3.2.x - so git checkout -b 3.2.x origin/3.2.x - for updating I do a git rebase origin/3.2.x instead of a git pull
12:32 cait forget name
12:32 wahanui cait: I forgot name
12:32 oleonard I thought we were talking about a list of bugs that hadn't been updated in over a year
12:32 cait a
12:32 cait sorry, misunderstanding here
12:33 * oleonard gets 150 for "Days since bug changed: (is greater than) 365 " excluding enhancements
12:33 cait but I think 1600 is still too high - because most of it is enhancements
12:33 cait and there are a lot of good ideas in there
12:34 cait ok, git format-patch origin is a bad idea when you are testing a 3.2.x thing
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12:34 * oleonard has done that more than once!
12:35 cait hehe
12:35 cait thx :)
12:35 cait looots of patches
12:35 conan if I make changes to circ/ I will need to do a make install again?
12:36 cait no?
12:36 wahanui it has been said that no is that bad
12:36 cait forget no
12:36 wahanui cait: I forgot no
12:37 cait conan: you should use git and a dev install, but no need to run installation again
12:39 conan I'm asking because install makes blib/INTRANET_CGI_DIR/circ/
12:39 conan which I guess is the one koha uses, and it's not a symbolic link, nor hard either
12:40 conan and have the same contents of course
12:40 cait sorry, I am confused
12:40 cait do you use a standard install?
12:43 conan no, a dev one
12:44 cait ok
12:44 conan the idea was to pull in changes easily when needed
12:44 cait and you have git?
12:44 conan yes
12:44 cait ok
12:44 cait just change the file
12:44 cait commit
12:44 cait perhaps you want to do it on a branch
12:44 cait you don't have to run the make process
12:44 conan I'm already on a local branch
12:44 conan but what about blib/INTRANET_CGI_DIR/circ/ ?
12:44 cait only when you change things that are in koha-dev like indexes
12:45 cait I am not sure about the blib directory, but I never did something with it
12:47 cait quite sure you can ignore it :)
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12:48 * conan cross fingers
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13:18 cait oleonard++
13:20 oleonard Thanks cait
13:21 cait thx to you
13:21 cait are those old things all bugs or enh too?
13:21 oleonard I don't know what criteria Paul used
13:22 oleonard I got 150 excluding enhancements
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13:22 cait I wouldn't want the enh marked WONTFIX
13:23 cait and the bugs need retesting in reassigning to a version perhaps
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13:35 oleonard Some of those old bugs sound like they ought to be fixed. For instance Bug 2883
13:35 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2883 major, P3, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , longoverdue cronjob misleading and buggy, output mangled
13:35 wizzyrea holy crap
13:35 wizzyrea
13:36 * wizzyrea can't take credit, rangi pointed it out to me (and probably all of you too, but I live in the past so... I'm often behind :))
13:36 druthb hi, wizzyrea!
13:36 wizzyrea hi
13:36 cait hehe
13:36 cait rangi told me he will write something up
13:37 wizzyrea the docs themselves are not bad
13:37 cait but it sure sounds very interesting!
13:37 cait not sure if there was a glitch or something
13:37 * wizzyrea was about to try it
13:40 sekjal seems like a handy tool for building some sweet git-hooks
13:44 cait hi sekjal
13:44 sekjal hi, cait!
13:44 cait and a nice opportunity to write something about git hooks on the wiki :)
13:44 cait ;)
13:45 cait or... I should go and google it :)
13:48 sekjal That's where I'd need to start... I know it's possible to hook in all kinds of actions to various points in the git workflow, but I haven't done it yet
13:48 cait same here
13:49 cait I got the impression you can do awesome things with git hooks... but have no idea where to start
13:49 wizzyrea ah, I see
13:49 sekjal I'd like one to take the process from signing off through submitting the patch to the list and attaching to Bugzilla.  one line to do it all, rather than 4-5
13:50 * cait nods
13:50 wizzyrea the tricky bit is setting a cookie on your dev box to keep you logged into bz
13:50 cait I think you could also run the unit tests before submitting a patch?
13:50 * wizzyrea concieves of a shell script that could do most of that :P
13:50 cait wizzyrea: ah - using a dev laptop is good in that case :)
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14:04 wizzyrea hi sophie
14:04 rhcl_away is now known as hotdog
14:04 wizzyrea is now known as icecream
14:05 conan cait: can't crack it :(
14:05 cait ?
14:05 conan I found this:
14:05 conan
14:05 hotdog Today is the start of our Negro Leagues Baseball exhibit, and I have to grill the hotdogs. That's why my name for today is hotdog.
14:05 conan and tried the 3 methods that are now commented
14:05 icecream it's apparently hotdog/icecream day in norway
14:06 conan cait: from our conversation an hour ago, to avoid loaning to users if max loans reached
14:06 oleonard is now known as cheapbeer
14:06 hotdog but they don't play baseball
14:06 icecream but they have endless summer days
14:06 hotdog yea, for two weeks
14:06 * cheapbeer checks his watch
14:06 cheapbeer Too early?
14:06 cheapbeer is now known as oleonard
14:06 icecream never too early for icecream
14:06 conan oleonard: depends on your longitude
14:07 icecream is now known as wizzyrea
14:07 cait conan: sorry, not talking perl fluently
14:07 cait perhaps someone else can help
14:07 * conan needs a circulation guru
14:07 conan cait: noproblem, I'll keep looking
14:08 oleonard My polite email to Guyana yesterday hasn't made an impression.
14:08 conan if someone else can direct me on how to avoid the question for TOO_MANY checkouts to pop, I'll be saved
14:09 cait hm
14:09 cait I think you want it to pop
14:09 hotdog Ok, off to the grill until early afternoon...
14:09 cait but you don't want it to be overridable
14:09 wizzyrea gl hotdog
14:09 cait you could check how it works for not for loan overrides
14:09 cait there is a sys pref for that
14:09 cait to not allow overrides
14:09 wizzyrea so the problem is that you want everyone to see everyone's patrons
14:10 wizzyrea but you don't want to circ between libraries
14:10 wizzyrea ?
14:10 wizzyrea isn't there something like a checkout limit matrix?
14:11 wizzyrea @quote get 123
14:11 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
14:11 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
14:11 oleonard Why do huginn` and wahanui have to fight?
14:14 wizzyrea @quote get 123
14:14 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
14:14 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
14:14 wizzyrea hrm
14:14 conan cait: I fixed, but with an ugly hack
14:15 conan should work for now
14:15 conan wizzyrea: I'm not showing everyone's patrons, will go with cait fix for now: to use the cardnumber, until I have time to fix this properly
14:16 conan wizzyrea: there is a checkout limit, in circulation rules, problem is says this is something staff can override, and shows you a yes/no box to confirm
14:17 conan we wanted to avoid that, I fixed like this:
14:18 wizzyrea one more time, sorry
14:18 wizzyrea @quote get 123
14:18 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
14:18 wizzyrea yesss
14:18 cait how?
14:19 wizzyrea Quote #123: "rangi: irc:// if there is <reply>
14:19 wizzyrea or basically x is <reply>
14:19 wizzyrea x?
14:19 wahanui x is y
14:19 wizzyrea forget x
14:19 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot x
14:19 wizzyrea x is <reply>
14:19 wizzyrea s?
14:19 wizzyrea x?
14:19 wizzyrea like so
14:20 pastebot "conan" at pasted "ugly hack to don't allow staff to override max checkouts defined" (37 lines) at
14:21 cait wizzyrea: now I am confused )
14:21 cait germs?
14:21 wahanui germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
14:21 wizzyrea so
14:21 cait that's what robin does all the time...
14:21 wizzyrea forget germs
14:21 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot germs
14:21 cait hehe thx
14:21 wizzyrea germs is <reply>
14:21 wizzyrea germs?
14:21 wizzyrea see :)
14:21 cait ah
14:21 cait so you tell them not to reply to it?
14:21 wizzyrea right
14:22 cait wizzyrea++
14:22 cait so clever
14:22 cait @quote random
14:22 huginn` cait: Quote #66: "<paul_p> shame on koha, mySQL & user !" (added by jwagner at 03:39 PM, March 04, 2010)
14:22 wizzyrea erm, I wonder what the context of that was
14:22 wizzyrea lol
14:22 conan well, it's not so mad scheme, I find sense in it
14:23 wizzyrea nah that's our usual response to keep ourselves sane
14:23 wizzyrea so that we can support any mad scheme that a library can throw at us :)
14:23 druthb @quote random
14:23 huginn` druthb: Quote #51: "jwagner thinks true joy is not wanting to do a telecon, and finding out the other person has forgotten about it & left for the day :-)" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 07:35 PM, January 20, 2010)
14:23 conan wizzyrea: :)
14:25 wizzyrea @quote random
14:25 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #2: "<jwagner> Hope springs eternal in little kitty hearts. Better watch the doors :-)" (added by gmcharlt at 04:04 PM, June 03, 2009)
14:25 wizzyrea it likes jane today :)
14:25 wizzyrea @quote random
14:25 huginn` wizzyrea: Quote #118: "wizzyrea: lavamind is erupting patches all over us!" (added by druthb at 09:39 PM, January 25, 2011)
14:25 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
14:25 jwagner I'm glad someone does :-)
14:25 wizzyrea forget lavamind
14:25 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot lavamind
14:25 wizzyrea lavamind is <reply>
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14:33 wizzyrea hi larry :)
14:33 larryb wizzyrea: Hi there.
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14:37 vfernandes hi Koha community :D
14:37 oleonard Hi vfernandes
14:38 vfernandes after 2 weeks with Koha the library that i'm managing it's quit haapy with Koha and everything i'ts working fine
14:39 vfernandes *everything is working fine
14:40 wizzyrea everything_working_fine++
14:40 wizzyrea vfernandes++ for telling us so :)
14:41 vfernandes now the librarians are importing some old circulation movements from the old system and they asked me if it's possible to suspend all email notifications
14:41 vfernandes which is the best way to do this? turn off postfix?
14:42 wizzyrea i'm having an internal debate - turn off postfix, let it generate the messages then dump the queue, or prevent the messages from being generated in the first place
14:42 wizzyrea i'm not sure which is better
14:42 wizzyrea (or a 3rd option I haven't come up with )
14:43 vfernandes it's possible to prevent the messages from being generated easily on Koha? i don't think so
14:43 wizzyrea overdues is a cronjob, so that's easy
14:43 wizzyrea and I think there's a process message queue for hold notifications
14:44 wizzyrea so that's easy
14:44 wizzyrea it's the circ ones that are tricky, and sounds like those are the ones you care about
14:45 vfernandes yes those are more difficult to prevent
14:48 vfernandes i can turn off postfix, then when the process_queue_message tries to send the emails they failed...
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15:02 hdl vfernandes: consider importing all the returned issues into old_issues rather than into issues.
15:02 hdl and updating items.onloan with the duedate of the itemnumbers.
15:03 vfernandes hdl, the issues that the librarian are recording are issues still "open" (items overdues, etc..)
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15:03 cait would turning off enhancedmessagingpreferences temporarily stop them from beig created?
15:04 hdl k
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15:07 oleonard double-testing++
15:07 * oleonard is saved from submitting a broken patch
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15:28 vfernandes need some help... during the records migration i had some records with 327 field having 3 $a subfields, but my script had an error and only 2 of them were imported.
15:29 vfernandes how i can changed the marcxml of the Koha biblio records in order to add the other subfield? It's possible to update the records without change the biblionumber?
15:30 conan vfernandes: from inside koha, sure, but I guess you want something to work in bulk, are you?
15:31 vfernandes yes in bulk
15:31 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 3140] It is possible to email someone else's private list <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3140>
15:31 conan vfernandes: and what about fixing your script, the one you said has an error?
15:32 oleonard There, a bug on the "old" list with a new patch :)
15:32 vfernandes conan that's easy, but the script only changes the xml record fiel to marcxml in order to be imported
15:33 vfernandes it's possible to update records in bulk?
15:35 sekjal is anyone else having problems with cataloging in IE8?
15:35 sekjal is that a known problem?
15:35 oleonard is anyone else cataloging in IE8?
15:36 conan vfernandes: sure, but wont be easy, I don't know if there is a tool, only know a library: Marc:Batch
15:36 sekjal we've got a couple partners who can only use IE due to hyper-restrictive IT setups
15:36 conan not here, not now
15:36 conan why IE8 anyway!
15:36 oleonard sekjal: I'm always happy to look at browser-compatibility bugs
15:36 conan ah
15:36 conan poor souls
15:37 oleonard Funny how hyper-restrictive IT setups always choose the browsers with the most security holes.
15:37 sekjal oleonard: on my Win7 VM, I can get the browser to crash consistently when trying to view source on the cataloging page
15:37 sekjal it just stops responding, and never shows me the page source
15:37 conan koha doesn't allow staff from library X to check in an item loaned by library Y, so why does it allow renewals? Is that a feature or a bug?
15:37 oleonard sekjal: You know the old saying... Don't do that ;)
15:38 sekjal oleonard:  the partner I'm working on this for gets it to freeze when just doing the normal cataloging procedure
15:39 * oleonard confirms that viewing source crashes IE8
15:39 sekjal why would that happen?
15:40 sekjal doesn't do it on every page... so it must be related to the contents of that specific page....
15:40 * sekjal does some research
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15:42 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6353] Erroneous prefixes before the singleBranchMode preference <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6353>
15:42 oleonard sekjal: But you can't get IE8 to crash just from editing records?
15:42 sekjal oleonard:  no, not yet
15:42 vfernandes thanks conan
15:42 sekjal found out how to fix the view source issue
15:42 sekjal[…]slow-view-source/
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15:44 oleonard Ha! IE8 crashes when viewing source because IE8's view source editor sucks.
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15:44 sekjal hmmm, trying to add a test title... and nothing happens when I click "Save"
15:45 oleonard The combination of IE8's slow javascript engine and Koha's slow javascript on the addbiblio page would make me want to hang myself.
15:46 wizzyrea why not go to 9?
15:46 conan vfernandes: no problem, anyway I'm pretty new here, so you might check later with someone else. This is the library I was talking:[…]ARC-Record-2.0.3/
15:46 wizzyrea IT dept politics?
15:46 oleonard sekjal: It looked like it had crashed, but after waiting and waiting it finally saved correctly.
15:46 conan vfernandes: I did some bulkimporting with that some days ago
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15:47 sekjal oleonard: so it does... it just pauses and then finally moves
15:47 sekjal very strange
15:47 sekjal surely something with the JS
15:47 conan oleonard: do you know why I can't find calls to C4::Circulation::AddRenewal and AddReturn in circ/ ? How do the books get returned then?
15:48 oleonard sekjal: For me it took one full minute from the time I clicked the save button to the time the form submitted. And that's running IE8 on Win7, not in a VM.
15:49 gmcharlt conan: circ/ handles returns
15:51 gmcharlt conan: and reserve/ handles renewals
15:51 conan gmcharlt: ahhhh, great!
15:51 conan wait, reserve?
15:53 conan gmcharlt: no reserve/ :(
15:53 conan could it be reserve/ ?
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15:55 conan found it, was     <form action="/cgi-bin/koha/reserve/" method="post" class="checkboxed">
15:55 conan that
15:55 conan gmcharlt: thx
15:56 gmcharlt conan: gah, sorry - too many things going on; you did find the reserve/ script I was talking about
15:59 conan gmcharlt: I was confused because page show me I was in, but as always, the source is with me ;)
16:00 conan if it's not too much abusing: how can I get the branchname for the current staff logged in? I need to do something like this:
16:00 conan if($staff_branch ne $item_branch) { # can't renew ... }
16:03 gmcharlt conan: C4::Context->userenv->{'branch'} has the staff user's branch
16:06 sekjal conan:  is $item_branch going to consult HomeOrHoldingBranch or HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn, or always be either home or holding?
16:07 conan sekjal: still don't know, I'm looking for it
16:08 sekjal conan: fair enough
16:08 conan the idea is that staff from library X can't do anything with items from library Y
16:08 sekjal does "from" mean 'owned by', or 'last checked out from'?
16:08 conan I was thinking about finding which library item belongs and compare that to what gmcharlt gave me
16:08 conan sekjal: yes, owned
16:09 conan sekjal: no, we don't allow check outs of items from another library
16:09 conan each library has it's own items and it manages them exclusively, however we *do* share users
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16:20 oleonard Bug 4025 sounds like a duplicate of something someone has worked on recently. Does that sound familiar to anyone?
16:20 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4025 major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , Search Fail Needs Cleaner Error Page
16:24 sekjal oleonard++ (for catching my incompleteness on enhancement 6294)
16:25 oleonard I wouldn't have noticed at all except I was looking at bug 6352
16:25 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6352 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , OPAC MARC view shows "No copies available" for all records
16:31 wizzyrea I had not ever fully appreciated the flexibility of Koha's framework system
16:31 wizzyrea it's awesome!
16:32 oleonard What prompted this?
16:32 sekjal wizzyrea: I know, right?  brilliantly done
16:33 wizzyrea well, I suddenly realized that those labels on the items table
16:33 wizzyrea can be whatever you want
16:33 wizzyrea and it still conforms to MARC
16:33 wizzyrea i'm also wondering if
16:33 wizzyrea (because I haven't tried it
16:42 * oleonard pictures whatever wizzyrea tried as having knocked her unconscious
16:42 wizzyrea lol :)
16:42 wizzyrea sorry phone
16:42 oleonard It would have made quite a bug report
16:43 wizzyrea "koha knocked me out when I ..."
16:43 wizzyrea I was wondering if hiding the fields in the framework would hide them in the item table
16:43 wizzyrea but I don't think that's how it works
16:43 wizzyrea or if it does work that way
16:43 wizzyrea it might work too well
16:44 cait for edit items it works
16:44 cait you can use the ignore tab
16:44 cait but it works in no other place
16:44 cait ah, not true
16:44 cait the marc view probably works too
16:45 cait at least it's using the descriptions there
16:46 wizzyrea mm no, you can't hide, say 952$2, and have it not show up in edititems
16:46 wizzyrea sorry, more specifically, "ignore" does nothing there
16:47 hdl1 good night
16:48 cait wizzyrea: what is $2?
16:48 wizzyrea gnite hdl
16:48 cait classification source?
16:48 cait goo dnight hdl
16:49 wizzyrea yep
16:49 cait ok
16:49 cait talking about the table above the form or about the fields on edit items?
16:49 wizzyrea the table
16:49 wahanui the table is showing for me
16:49 cait hm
16:49 wizzyrea forget the table
16:49 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot table
16:49 wizzyrea the table is <reply>
16:49 cait it used to work, but not using the hidden value but tab ignore
16:49 cait instead of tab 10
16:50 wizzyrea hmm
16:50 wizzyrea i wonder if I'm setting it on the wrong framework
16:50 * wizzyrea checks again
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16:51 wizzyrea oh it does work!
16:51 wizzyrea see, another reason to love koha
16:53 oleonard What worked?
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17:02 cait oleonard++
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17:24 conan laer
17:24 conan later
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17:26 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6355] Late orders report shows cancelled orders <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6355>
17:27 druthb cait++ #thanx for the signoff!
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18:00 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6120] Add search links in detail pages <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6120> / [Bug 6067] When Add Duplicate changing framework would loose data <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6067>
18:12 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6067] When Add Duplicate changing framework would lose data <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6067>
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18:39 oleonard Is Bug 2657 still an issue?
18:39 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2657 normal, P3, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , AutoEmailPrimaryAddress preference not universally applied
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18:42 cait not sure
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18:48 * druthb waves to rhcl.
18:50 cait hi hrcl
18:50 cait hi rhcl
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19:10 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6328] Fine in days does not work <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6328>
19:14 rhcl hi hi all
19:17 druthb sekjal++
19:22 rhcl wouldn't this case, with decent mini-itx mb and a few raided drives, make an excellent ILS server for a small library?
19:22 rhcl
19:23 rhcl[…]157-228-_-Product
19:23 rhcl[…]157-228-_-Product
19:24 rhcl seems like a vendor could preload these things up w/ deb and koha and have an excellent, cost-effective server for <50 item libraries
19:24 rhcl 50k
19:24 wizzyrea sounds like you've got a business plan there
19:25 rhcl I've got lots of great ideas!
19:28 rhcl[…]837633&CatId=2783
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19:31 oleonard Good catch on bug 6120 fredericd
19:31 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6120 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, fridolyn.somers, ASSIGNED , Add search links in detail pages
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19:34 * druthb waves to skushner.
19:34 skushner hi ruth
19:36 jwagner Hi Scott
19:38 skushner hi jane
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19:39 oleonard Hi pianohacker
19:39 pianohacker hi owen
19:39 pianohacker how's it going?
19:39 cait hi pianohacker
19:39 pianohacker hi cait
19:40 oleonard I'm good, how are you? In finals?
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19:44 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6357] Items (un)availability not displayed correctly (OPAC) <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6357>
19:45 NCARMichael me here w/questions
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19:47 oleonard Fire away NCARMichael
19:47 pianohacker oleonard: Finished with finals last tuesday, hanging out at my parent's house, then going back to work next week
19:48 NCARMichael (standby)
19:49 oleonard Hmm... trying to run rebuild_zebra, getting "Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at /home/oleonard/kohaclone/C4/ line 359."
19:52 NCARMichael Okay...Reports -> Lost Items
19:52 NCARMichael I'd like to edit that report so that Call Number is included both in the
19:52 NCARMichael drop-down AND as one of the columns.
19:54 wizzyrea which drop down
19:54 NCARMichael It's not a "Saved Report" so I'm not sure how to edit it.
19:54 oleonard NCARMichael: You have to edit the perl scripts that make it go
19:54 NCARMichael The "Order by" dropdown
19:55 wizzyrea probably just as easy to recreate it as a saved report
19:55 NCARMichael ah, okay.
19:56 NCARMichael But how to access the Perl so as to copy paste into a new (editable) report?
20:00 rangi morning
20:00 pastebot "gmcharlt" at pasted "NCARMichael: base query for lost items" (9 lines) at
20:00 oleonard Hi rangi
20:00 wizzyrea gmcharlt++
20:02 NCARMichael thx...experimenting
20:03 cait hi rangi :)
20:03 pastebot "gmcharlt" at pasted "NCARMichael: and a more specific version" (9 lines) at
20:04 NCARMichael thx
20:05 conan oleonard: it happened to me with empty fields
20:05 oleonard What empty fields?
20:05 wizzyrea i like your usage of the authorised_valude.category = 'LOST'
20:05 wizzyrea that's a nice neat way to do it
20:06 conan good morning rangi, what time is there?
20:06 rangi 8.10am
20:07 conan oleonard: well we started from an export that was a print from winisis, then we converted to marc with marcedit, and we found that error when the print had empty fields, I don't recall how they look in the marc file
20:07 conan oleonard: but in the print out was something like:
20:07 conan =300 somedata
20:08 conan =brokenfield
20:08 conan I mean, brokenfield had no data at all
20:09 oleonard sekjal: Does Bug 3142 fall under your holds project?
20:09 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3142 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , standardize how OPAC and staff determine requestability
20:09 NCARMichael hm...not giving me results (
20:10 sekjal oleonard: I don't believe that's part of the spec at this time, no
20:10 sekjal it certainly needs doing
20:12 wizzyrea NCARMichael: that same report gave me results
20:12 NCARMichael lemme try again...i had removed a couple of things from the initial list.
20:13 NCARMichael okay, now it's working!
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20:14 NCARMichael now to give the user an ordering option...
20:15 SteveJ Anyone know what the status is of this 3.4 rfp and what parts actually made it into 3.4?[…]ic_Record_support
20:16 SteveJ rfc, not rfp
20:18 cait there were 2 developments for analytic support
20:18 cait the one that is close to that rfc didn't make it
20:18 * oleonard waves on his way out
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20:18 wizzyrea order by items.itemcallnumber asc
20:18 cait but you can catalog analytics using $w subfields and control numbers in 001
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20:18 cait bye oleonard
20:19 wizzyrea (or whatever the field is I always have to look that one up)
20:19 SteveJ ok, so the bulk of it did not make it into 3.4, so is someone working on it for 3.6?
20:21 NCARMichael where in the code do I stick "order by..."
20:21 wizzyrea on the end
20:21 NCARMichael okay, i'll give it a shot
20:22 cait SteveJ: there is a branch that still needs some work
20:22 cait SteveJ: some problems were found that need to be addressed before it can be merged
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20:23 cait i am not sure about the status of the work
20:23 cait you shoudl drop the developer a note perhaps and ask
20:25 cait bug 4506 is in
20:25 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4506 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, RESOLVED FIXED, Add support of record linking by record control number in $w
20:25 NCARMichael sweet. it works. thx Wiz. one more question.
20:26 wizzyrea gmcharlt did most of the work ;)
20:26 wizzyrea gmcharlt++
20:26 NCARMichael right. (thx gmc)
20:27 NCARMichael so...circ reports: overdues
20:27 wizzyrea reports library?
20:27 wahanui reports library is probably found at[…]L_Reports_Library
20:28 NCARMichael hear me out, it's not about creating a report
20:28 wizzyrea no no, I was just getting the link for myself :P
20:28 wizzyrea fastest way I know :P
20:28 NCARMichael ah, ok. sry
20:28 NCARMichael anyway, i have a huge list here. 587 items overdue.
20:29 NCARMichael duedates ranging from 1/4/1993 to today
20:30 NCARMichael i've set up my overdue notices today and they're good to go. but..
20:30 NCARMichael what i'd like to do is somehow send out ONE email to each of these patrons with overdue items.
20:31 NCARMichael but a subset: items with duedate <= 3/17/2011
20:31 NCARMichael Likely Galen will hafta do this for me...
20:32 NCARMichael Shall I just send him an email about it, ya think?
20:32 wizzyrea what were you wanting to do with the subset?
20:33 gmcharlt NCARMichael: sure
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20:33 NCARMichael oh hi galen.
20:34 NCARMichael i'll send u an email about it.
20:34 NCARMichael (i want to send an overdue notice to all on the subset)
20:35 gmcharlt understood
20:35 gmcharlt (and good luck with the 1993 bunch ;) )
20:36 NCARMichael yeah, people treat our library as their personal library. actually, i'm grateful that they
20:36 NCARMichael bothered to check the items out in the first place. many don't.
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20:37 SteveJ 1993? Yikes. We only have items checked out back to 99.
20:38 gmcharlt ah, the professor's-offices-are-branch-libraries problem?
20:41 NCARMichael indeed
20:42 SteveJ I would call ours the "VP-and-Director's-offices-are-branch-libraries" problem.
20:42 rangi :)
20:43 SteveJ Although one of our vp's has more books in his office than all but one of our libraries (several thousand).
20:49 wizzyrea oh good I just ran up against that "help popup doesn't work" today
20:49 wizzyrea glad someone caught that :)
20:49 rangi i think i signed that off the other day
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20:51 cait good night all :)
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