IRC log for #koha, 2011-05-02

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00:44 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6031 : Fix for syntax (bashism crept into a pure sh script) <[…]b52e6a392c60e25a6>
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01:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #241: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/241/
01:25 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 6031 : Fix for syntax (bashism crept into a pure sh script)
01:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6031 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , koha-rebuild-zebra doesn't allow XML and verbose indexing
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02:15 glernil good day!
02:15 glernil is koha capable of generating a printable card catalog? just like this one... >>>[…]earch&vrps=-1&jw=
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03:09 rangi glernil: like this ?[…]?biblionumber=474
03:09 rangi yes the ISBD view does that, and is fully customisable from system preferences
03:11 glernil can I adjust the indentations and spaces? what I really like it to produce is the one I posted. I think it is an athena library system...
03:12 rangi yes, like i said its fully customisable
03:12 rangi just edit the ISBD system preference
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03:20 AmitG heya chris
03:21 rangi hiya AmitG
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03:26 glernil rangi: Thanks!... I'll check it out ;)
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03:38 mtj an interesting news day...
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03:54 AmitG heya mtj
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04:01 mtj yo amit
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04:23 druthb o/
04:23 druthb @seen sekjal
04:23 huginn druthb: sekjal was last seen in #koha 3 days, 6 hours, 54 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <sekjal> goodnight, #koha
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04:24 druthb timely.  Hi, Ian.
04:24 * bg hint-hinted him
04:24 druthb hehehe
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04:25 rangi heh
04:26 ibeardslee hmmm?
04:26 rangi ibeardslee: sekjal is an ian too
04:26 ibeardslee ahhh
04:27 sekjal good <localtime>, all
04:31 Space_Librarian hey sekjal
04:32 sekjal hi, Space_Librarian
04:34 rangi hows the hotel?
04:58 sekjal it's good (wow, long delay on that, sorry)
04:59 sekjal I'm just about ready to turn in.  got to up and moving in 6 hours
05:00 rangi ahh sleep well, im about to head home myself
05:02 sekjal thanks.  I'm hoping to be on, however distractedly, during the presentations tomorrow
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06:38 magnuse kia ora #koha
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06:57 magnuse bonjour biblibre
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07:29 francharb hello all
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07:29 wahanui hi, hdl
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07:59 rangi marcelr++ #fixing noisy warns
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08:09 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6290] Fixing uninitialized warnings on homebranch in <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6290>
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08:32 rangi hotel_wifi--
08:38 magnuse :-(
08:40 rangi not mine, brendans
08:40 magnuse yup, thought so
08:41 AmitG heya magnuse
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08:49 magnuse hi AmitG
08:52 magnuse i have a library asking about what type of barcode they should order to use with koha - isn't that more a question related to the barcode scanner they will use than to koha?
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11:22 newa34 helo
11:22 newa34 i am having error msg while listing the patron
11:22 newa34 Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/members/ line 113
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11:22 newa34 anyone here to help me?
11:24 magnuse newa34, not sure i can help, but which version are you on?
11:27 newa34 3.02
11:28 newa34 V3.0202
11:29 newa34 while listing the patron pagination 1,2,3 works but when i move to 4 pagination it gives this error msg and on next 5 th page is is ok again
11:31 magnuse wow, that sounds strange
11:33 newa34 yea
11:33 magnuse how do you get the list? search or "browse by last name"?
11:34 newa34 browse by last name
11:34 newa34 i have nearly 86 patron listen with first surname letter "S"
11:34 newa34 listed*
11:34 magnuse and does the same thing happen for all the letters you can click on, or just one?
11:35 newa34 jst one
11:35 newa34 ok wait i jst got error msg with 'O' also same
11:35 newa34 i will check if i have patron with surname starting with O or not
11:35 newa34 in database
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11:38 newa34 oops it my fault
11:38 newa34 sorry
11:39 newa34 i just had catagorycode wrongly placed for some patron data
11:40 newa34 anyway thax magnuse for your time...
11:40 magnuse no problem!
11:41 newa34 magnuse have u configure koha as z3950 server?
11:41 magnuse yup
11:41 newa34 which step did u followed?
11:43 magnuse newa34: this[…]269#publicztarget plus there is one more thing you have to do
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11:43 magnuse let me check
11:43 newa34 <!-- public server runs on tcp --> <listen id="biblioserver" >tcp:@:9999</listen> i uncomment this line but it was not working
11:44 newa34 then i removed<!-- BIBLIOGRAPHIC RECORDS --> <server id="biblioserver" listenref="biblioserver"> to <!-- BIBLIOGRAPHIC RECORDS --> <server id="biblioserver">
11:44 newa34 now it working bt i am not sure of it is good pratice or not
11:45 magnuse there is a bug for what i'm thinking about here:
11:45 magnuse bug 5667
11:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5667 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , koha-conf.xml missing entry for z39.50 publicserver
11:45 magnuse "the BIBLIOGRAPHIC RECORDS <server> tag must be copied and given a new id of 'publicserver'"
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11:51 conan hello everybody
11:51 newa34 many thax magnuse again... i did played with it in my own way bt not sure wht i did ... now i found the exact solution,.....
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11:57 jcamins eythian++ # for the libcgi-session-driver-memcached-perl package
11:58 jcamins Good morning, #koha
11:59 AmitG heya jcamins
11:59 jcamins AmitG: how are you?
11:59 newa34 tc
11:59 newa34 exit
11:59 newa34 sorry
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12:20 oleonard Hi #koha
12:21 jcamins Good morning.
12:22 oleonard No KudosCon for you jcamins?
12:22 jcamins oleonard: nope. :(
12:22 oleonard Nor I
12:23 jcamins I decided not to go, because I have so much traveling coming up, but now I find I'm a bit jealous of larryb, druthb, bg, and sekjal. ;)
12:27 nengard Nor I
12:27 nengard and not really terribly jealous either :)
12:27 oleonard What I'm sorry about is that I'll miss seeing everybody in person.
12:28 nengard yes, that's true
12:28 nengard I do miss that
12:29 * jcamins still hasn't met anyone in person.
12:30 nengard that's not true :)
12:30 nengard you met me and sekjal and druthb and bg
12:30 nengard and NateC
12:30 jcamins Yes, that's true.
12:31 nengard and in june you get to meet rangi
12:31 nengard and probably others who will be at ALA
12:31 jcamins And gmcharlt, and probably lots of other people who go to ALA.
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13:30 * jcamins prominently displays a roll of duct tape for bg's use.
13:31 bg thanks - weird wireless passwords here
13:31 bg took too long to log in ;)
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13:45 druthb o/
13:46 oleonard Hi sekjal and druthb
13:46 tcohen hi oleonard
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13:51 rhcl_kudos hey hey
13:51 nengard someone at kudos has to get the pictures of druthb making a funny face ... since i'm not there to get it :)
13:52 gmcharlt for those who want to follow the KUDOS conference, twitter tags are #kudos11 #kohails
13:52 jcamins nengard: why is druthb making funny faces?
13:52 nengard she always makes at least one that i catch on camera :)
13:52 gmcharlt jcamins: it's how she rolls; you should know that by now ;)
13:53 jcamins Ah. I didn't realize the funny faces in January weren't just a fluke. ;)
13:53 nengard :)
13:56 oleonard The Cover-it-live widget on is strangely inert
13:57 gmcharlt yeah, not sure what's up with that
14:02 sekjal hi, oleonard (whoa, forgot to hit enter, sorry)
14:03 * druthb hides.
14:04 * druthb makes a funny face at gmcharlt, since he doesn't have a camera in his hand.
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14:04 gmcharlt druthb: are you sure about that?
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14:05 bg heya henryb
14:07 bg wizzyrea++
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14:08 druthb wizzyrea++  #cheerleading
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14:09 bg hmmm  has there been a link or slide shown about the IRC channel yet?
14:09 bg could be good to get a few more attendees on IRC
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14:11 gmcharlt bg: I've tweeted about the channel
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14:18 rhcl_kudos whoami
14:19 bg @whoami
14:19 huginn bg: I don't recognize you.
14:19 bg :)
14:20 rhcl2 :)
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14:21 rhcl_kudos ok, got rid of rhcl2
14:22 jcamins rhcl_kudos: oh no! We liked having two of you!
14:23 bg it was more like rhcl to the power ;)
14:23 bg of 2
14:24 * gmcharlt is just sorry we didn't get to see rhcl2 and rhcl_kudos argue
14:24 gmcharlt those make for interesting debates ;)
14:25 rhcl_kudos somebody needs to show me how to tweet at break
14:25 gmcharlt rhcl_kudos: happy to
14:25 bg I think first sign_up for an account at and then gmcharlt can show you from there
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14:26 bg at least that way you'll be ready to start ;)
14:26 rhcl_kudos it's like a dog chasing a car...wouldn't know what to do with it if he caught it
14:26 rhcl_kudos I have the account...
14:28 bg sweet then you're ready :)
14:28 gmcharlt rhcl_kudos: what's your account name?
14:29 rhcl_kudos huh, I don't know, does "whoami" work there?
14:30 nengard what is whoami?
14:30 bg it does - you just need that @ infront
14:30 bg @whoami
14:30 huginn bg: I don't recognize you.
14:30 rhcl_kudos GLaws1
14:30 bg I'm just not /registered here
14:30 rhcl_kudos no, not here, there
14:31 rhcl_kudos twitter there
14:32 oleonard @whoami
14:32 huginn oleonard: I don't recognize you.
14:33 oleonard :P
14:38 conan question: how do you add fields to be controlled by authorities given auth_types.authtypecode is a primary key?
14:39 jcamins Set it in your framework.
14:39 conan I already have:
14:39 conan select * from auth_types where authtypecode = 'PERSO_NAME';
14:39 conan PERSO_NAME   | Personal Name | 100                | Personal Names
14:39 conan and I want also fields 600 and 700
14:39 conan how do I add those?
14:40 jcamins Set it in your framework?
14:40 jcamins That's how I did it.
14:40 conan should I put a comma separated list under auth_tag_to_report ?
14:40 conan jcamins: hum... which part? I kind of lost here
14:40 jcamins conan: I think we must be talking about different things.
14:40 conan If I go to authority types I can only define one there
14:40 jcamins I just use the framework editor. No SQL involved.
14:41 conan jcamins: same here, but I needed to check DB because I couldn't find it
14:41 conan are you telling me you set that here: Home › Administration › MARC Frameworks ?
14:41 jcamins Yeah.
14:42 conan but I don't see authorities there, just authorised_values
14:42 jcamins Right below Authorized value.
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14:42 jcamins In English it's labeled "Thesaurus."
14:43 jcamins (but I think possibly you're using a Spanish translation?)
14:43 conan nope, english here for testing
14:44 jcamins Oh, excellent, you'll see the same thing I do, then. Thesaurus.
14:44 conan where?
14:44 conan I'm here:
14:44 jcamins In the MARC Bibliographic Frameworks.
14:44 conan Home › Administration › MARC Frameworks › Libros (LIBR) › Modify tag 100
14:45 jcamins Edit subfields.
14:45 conan nope
14:45 jcamins Okay, go back and click "Subfields" instead of "Edit."
14:45 jcamins Then click Edit subfields.
14:45 jcamins Then choose subfield a.
14:45 conan jcamins: I did, and nope
14:46 conan jcamins: find it!!!!
14:46 conan I mean, found
14:46 jcamins Good.
14:47 conan jcamins: it went to $4 and $a, is that correct?
14:47 conan for field 100
14:48 jcamins $4?
14:48 jcamins conan: are you using UNIMARC?
14:48 conan nope, marc21
14:49 jcamins Then you just want to set the thesaurus for $a.
14:49 jcamins $4 is the relator term.
14:50 conan wait, I thought it was an automatic thingie, but no, I choose that subfield
14:50 conan now I wonder if the authority  is used for every subfield or just some of them...
14:50 jcamins I'm not sure.
14:51 jcamins I think it's used for any subfield defined in the Authority framework.
14:51 conan this is madness, I can't go to each subfield of each field I have to modify to change the authority!
14:52 conan anyway, thank you jcamins , that was a pretty hidden one
14:52 conan will ask my librarian about the subfields now...
14:52 jcamins conan: no, you just set the link with subfield a.
14:53 conan and how do I know that?
14:54 * bg is not totally crazy about presentations at a conference done over skype
14:54 jcamins conan: what do you mean?
14:54 bg understands if someone has visa problems or travel issues
14:54 jcamins conan: it's probably in the manual, if you wanted to look.
14:55 oleonard bg: The 10 o'clock is phoning it in?
14:55 conan jcamins: there are 19 subfields inside field 100, I now know 100$a is the one for this, but I also need to set CORPO_NAME for 110, 610 and 710, and others for other fields
14:55 bg yeah
14:55 jcamins conan: subfield a.
14:55 jcamins Always.
14:55 bg not a great connection either
14:56 jcamins There is no authorized heading field that doesn't use subfield a.
14:58 conan jcamins: great! And checking DB shows me several already configured, maybe I got to do nothing after all
14:59 conan effectively, they were all already configured
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15:19 rhcl_kudos waves2
15:19 druthb sessions_going_short++
15:20 oleonard Twenty minutes down from sixty?
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15:21 druthb a-yup
15:25 phxmars_hal I used "select * from information_schema_columns where table_schema like '%koha%'" to try and get table schema in our Koha, do I have it wrong?
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15:26 cait1 hmpf
15:27 gmcharlt phxmars_hal: select * from information_schema.columns where table_schema like '%koha%'
15:28 gmcharlt this assumes that the name of the DB for your Koha database contains 'koha', of course
15:28 wizzyrea_away in koha 3.4 you don't have to go back to the saved report page ^.^
15:28 wizzyrea_away HAHA
15:28 wizzyrea_away oh.
15:28 wizzyrea_away :)
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15:29 * cait1 waves to wizzyrea :)
15:29 jcamins wizzyrea`: hi!
15:29 wizzyrea` hi :D
15:31 druthb presenting_without_planning--
15:32 cait1 ok, changing trains soon
15:32 cait1 will be back checking here and twitter later :)
15:33 phxmars_hal select * from information_schema.columns where table_schema like '%' worked
15:33 gmcharlt cool
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15:37 druthb I don't know what version of MySQL that Bev is running, but select count(*) from BORROWERS won't work, because the table is called 'borrowers'.
15:39 * druthb waves to jwagner and Ahmuck_
15:39 jwagner If druthb turns around, I can wave back :-)
15:40 * druthb turns around and sees jwagner peering overtop of her glasses.
15:40 Ahmuck_ morning druthb
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15:41 * jwagner warns druthb to behave -- I've been up since 3:30 AM to get here....
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15:41 wizzyrea` that's wicked early
15:41 oleonard wizzyrea`: How late did you get in?
15:41 jwagner Yep.  Really should have come in yesterday, but couldn't manage it.
15:41 wizzyrea` i was finally  in bed by 2am
15:42 wizzyrea` left chicago at 12:30
15:42 wizzyrea` that's wicked early jwagner
15:43 jwagner If you hear any snoring from the back of the room, just ignore it....
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16:07 * oleonard thought Bug 6258 was a simple variable name problem, but apparently not
16:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6258 major, P5, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Guided reports wizard 'Build new' brings up empty page
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16:34 wizzyrea` so it looks like they've actually pretty much homebrewed this stuff, end-running around the usual expense of the 3M software
16:34 wizzyrea` Am I misunderstanding?
16:35 jcamins What?
16:35 jcamins Oh, I bet you're talking about the speaker.
16:35 wizzyrea` yes, that
16:36 wizzyrea` having a hard time refraining from exclaiming that "if you release it, we can help you"
16:37 pianohacker What is this presentation? Can't seem to find context in the IRC log
16:37 oleonard http://kudos.koha-community.or[…]nference-program/
16:38 oleonard RFID Self-Checkout Using Koha and Invego
16:38 pianohacker ah, thanks owen
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17:05 cait hi all
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18:28 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6284] Reports Filters Need Prettying <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6284>
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18:35 * druthb needs a lightning talk idea.
18:36 wizzyrea` you should talk about... um... You should talk about fancy ways to customize "search for this in"
18:37 druthb @quote get 102
18:37 huginn druthb: Quote #102: "<druthb> harrrumph!" (added by gmcharlt at 07:42 PM, November 11, 2010)
18:37 gmcharlt heh
18:37 gmcharlt although that gives me an idea for you: talk about the culture of #koha
18:38 wizzyrea` ooh, we can talk about our project cookie
18:38 * jcamins thinks that's a little unfair, talking about the Koha Cookie when he's not around.
18:38 jcamins :P
18:38 wizzyrea` :P
18:38 druthb gmcharlt--there's already some of that in my preso tomorrow.  dun wanna recycle.
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18:47 jcamins druthb: I sent you a visual aid for your lightning talk. :D
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18:48 cait cookies?
18:48 * cait perks up
18:48 jcamins Cat, actually.
18:49 druthb I see that,, if I had a workable topic.  I got sent one idea, but it requires infrastructure that I don't have ready...
18:51 jcamins druthb:
18:54 rangi druthb: irc
18:54 jcamins The importance of chocolate to a well-tuned ILS.
18:55 jcamins Why one should never follow jcamins' suggestions on a Monday afternoon.
18:56 wizzyrea` talking about IRC would be good
18:56 wizzyrea` i'm going to demo search to hold I think
18:56 wizzyrea` or screencasting
18:56 jcamins screencasting++
18:56 wizzyrea` i'll couch it as "help your support staff help you"
18:56 wizzyrea` ;)
18:57 rangi druthb: you can show off the bots, and the logs and the fact there are real live people here
18:57 rangi etc
18:57 cait :)
18:57 * cait could wave or ask for cookies
18:57 rangi convince them to not use mibbit too ;)
18:58 * jcamins thinks about baking.
18:58 cait jcamins: can you be a little more specific?
18:59 jcamins cait: I didn't decide until after I'd looked to see what sorts of ingredients I had. However, I'll be making chocolate bread.
18:59 cait chocolate bread!
19:00 jcamins Yes.
19:00 druthb rangi, wizzyrea` is sitting next to me twisting my arm.  does it bother you that her saying so is more-convincing?
19:00 rhcl_kudos what's unbaked about mibbit?
19:01 * druthb is going to talk about mibbit--but will point at a fairly-okay way to do it, if one must.
19:01 rhcl_kudos hey, it works w FF on Linux, there
19:01 jcamins cait:[…]h-chocolate-bread or
19:01 rhcl_kudos s a lot of crappy apps out there that dont
19:01 rangi hehe
19:02 cait jcamins: thx for the links :)
19:03 jcamins cait: you're welcome.
19:03 jcamins Doesn't it sound delicious?
19:04 cait it does
19:05 cait never heard about chocolate bread before
19:07 oleonard Sounds like KudosCon doesn't have a high percentage of presenters who are thinking in Open Source.
19:08 bg oleonard feels that way sitting here
19:08 cait hm?
19:09 rhcl_kudos looking around, I think I have the only laptop in the room running a free OS (Ubuntu)
19:09 oleonard!/gmcharl[…]65130147510099968
19:10 gmcharlt oleonard: that's via rangi, btw
19:10 gmcharlt or, rather, the tweet I made immediately following that one is
19:10 bg rhcl_kudos++
19:10 rangi heh
19:11 rangi rhcl_kudos++
19:11 wizzyrea` bbinasec
19:11 wizzyrea` is now known as wizzyrea_away
19:11 sekjal rhcl_kudos: it's always amusing how many Macs you see in a room full of open source folks...
19:11 * sekjal types from his MacBook Air
19:12 rangi sekjal: you never seen that in a room full of free software folks tho :)
19:12 * gmcharlt hangs head in shame, but only so far - dagnabbit, there's no reason why OSS can't have better UI design
19:12 rangi maybe if the ppl who used macs, gave some of that money to designers?? :-)
19:13 * rangi teases
19:13 cait hehe
19:13 sekjal I got away from the iPhone... one step at time
19:13 rangi i mean, if child labour can make pretty graphics, maybe thats all we need :P
19:13 rhcl_kudos off subject, but my tech assistant, a brilliant but time-challenged young man...
19:13 * rangi chains the kids up
19:13 * jcamins isn't a zealot. He was F/OSS-only for eleven years, but the Mac looked like it would meet his needs better. It does.
19:13 rangi :)
19:13 oleonard Mac users can pay a "guilt tax" to the Gnome project
19:14 * bg loves that hardware :)
19:14 sekjal when I can build my own laptop as light and with as good of battery life as this, I will in a heartbeat
19:14 rhcl_kudos is doing some excellent work making a children's computer with a very mac-like interface on Mint 10
19:14 bg ah that's cool
19:14 rangi ahh pragmatism vs freedom, the age old dilemna
19:14 rangi ill stick with freedom thanks :)
19:15 rangi i know i wont convince most of you, so ill stop prodding
19:15 rhcl_kudos I think there are several complementary apps that would work well bundled w/ Koha--Libki, a children's computer station, and a self-checkout station.
19:16 gmcharlt rangi: considering that every single computer, running F/OSS or not, depends on minerals mined under bad conditions, nobody has completely clean hands
19:16 rangi gmcharlt: true
19:16 rhcl_kudos apt-get install koha && libki && kidstation
19:16 gmcharlt rhcl_kudos: indeed
19:16 rangi doesnt mean we shouldnt try to minimise the harm we create though does it?
19:16 rangi anyway, i said ill leave it, so i will
19:16 oleonard I built a laptop out of hemp, used plastic bags, and a sense of smug self-satisfaction ;)
19:17 * gmcharlt sends some free kittens to #koha
19:18 rangi @quote search kittens
19:18 huginn rangi: 1 found: #91: "<chris> Free as in kittens is a silly phrase..."
19:18 rangi @quote get 91
19:18 huginn rangi: Quote #91: "<chris> Free as in kittens is a silly phrase that should die, if FOSS is free as in kittens, proprietary software is free as in an inbred purebreed cat. That costs thousands of dollars in vet bills every year and is slightly retarded." (added by wizzyrea at 08:42 PM, August 19, 2010)
19:18 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
19:18 rangi ok, time to make the kids breakfast
19:18 rhcl_kudos Yea, we got some free Awe stations.
19:18 rhcl_kudos Now we got the bill for hardware support, $1,400 for four computers
19:19 rhcl_kudos Oh, and then there's the bill for software support.
19:19 rhcl_kudos Guess I need to start drinking Sanka...
19:19 rhcl_kudos sorry
19:20 gmcharlt rhcl_kudos: you should be, we can find better coffee for you to drink than Sanka ;)
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19:23 wizzyrea_ there, now rhcl_kudos isn't the only one using a free OS
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19:47 * jwagner has a problem with sekjal using "git" and "sanely" in the same sentence....
19:47 rangi wow
19:47 rangi sauna bus
19:47 jcamins cait: have you done any work on bug 5901?
19:48 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5901 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Make virtualshelves permissions more granular
19:49 bg new_QA++  best of luck to you :)
19:49 cait jcamins: yes...
19:49 cait I had the sys prefs ready and was workingont he templates part
19:49 cait and then I deleted my branch :(
19:49 jcamins cait++ # I thought so! :D
19:49 jcamins Oh no!
19:49 jcamins :(
19:50 cait jcamins: I will start over with it
19:50 cait but I needed a break
19:50 jcamins Fair enough.
19:51 cait I didn't understand the code good enough, it looked like there was already something in there supposed to do what we want
19:51 cait have to spend more time on this
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19:52 rhcl_kudos is git iansanely?
19:52 cait git?
19:52 wahanui well, git is found at
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19:53 cait hm, think git is to keep one sane? :)
19:53 rangi not using git is insane :)
19:54 gmcharlt wahanui: not using git?
19:54 wahanui not using git is insane :)
19:55 druthb wahanui:   druthb?
19:55 wahanui i haven't a clue, druthb
19:55 druthb wahanui: wizzyrea?
19:55 wahanui wizzyrea is a wonderful mother, colleague, and friend. or a koha poet
19:55 ibeardslee rangi: the sauna bus/train is the biggest gripe I have about public transport
19:55 ibeardslee they think because it is cold/wet that the heaters need to be cranked right up
19:56 rangi yeah
19:56 ibeardslee and those that have dressed for the cold/wet outside suffer
19:56 rangi exactly
19:56 rangi and wet wool
19:56 rangi peee eeeew
19:57 ibeardslee not as bad as the wet, uncared for leather jackets
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20:06 bg great quote from sekjal - on his presentation -- installing Git --  "just don't do it on Windows"  Just don't do it
20:06 gmcharlt heh
20:06 gmcharlt though if you're writing a Windows app, feel free to use Git anyway ;)
20:07 * oleonard has done it on Windows, although not as a basis for an installation of course
20:08 * oleonard did this:
20:12 * conan is puzzled by his VM
20:13 conan if nmap is telling me IP and ports (80 and 8080) are ok and open, and virtualhost is correctly binded in apache, what else do you think shoud I touch to connect to my koha in this VM?
20:14 * oleonard will see you all tomorrow
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20:14 rhcl_kudos would "git format-patch master" be different if you were submitting a patch to a branch?
20:15 jcamins rhcl_kudos: git format-patch 3.2.x
20:15 rhcl_kudos icic
20:15 conan don't mind me, I forgot to restart services :/
20:15 jcamins Well, actually, you probably want: git format-patch origin/3.2.x
20:15 jcamins Unless you're me, in which case you need: git format-patch kc/3.2.x
20:15 jcamins :D
20:16 jcamins (because I have my own git repo set up as "origin", to save on bandwidth when I need to clone koha *again*)
20:17 rangi remotes are cool
20:17 pastebot "rangi" at pasted "remotes are cool" (20 lines) at
20:18 jcamins Heh.
20:18 * jcamins only has 8.
20:18 jcamins It's plenty.
20:19 cait :)
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20:23 druthb welcome, larryb
20:23 rangi hi larryb
20:24 cait hi larryb :)
20:27 bg heya larryb
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20:28 jcamins larryb: you just woke the cat up.
20:28 jcamins :)
20:28 ronald hi
20:28 ronald good afternoon
20:28 * cait tries to get myshkin's attention
20:28 rangi good morning ronald :)
20:28 cait hi ronald
20:29 ronald how I can remove a credit to it?
20:29 rangi sorry?
20:29 jcamins cait: he decided he was thirsty and after I wouldn't let him have my glass, he wandered off to get a drink of water from his bowl.
20:30 ronald un credito que cree en un usuario
20:30 ronald a credit to create a user
20:30 rangi im sorry i dont understand what you are asking
20:30 ronald I can not remove
20:31 gmcharlt ronald: a registration fee
20:31 ronald ok
20:31 gmcharlt ?
20:31 ronald not
20:32 ronald go to patron
20:32 jcamins ms_publisher--
20:32 ronald patron fines
20:32 ronald Creating Manual Invoices
20:33 jcamins windows--
20:33 jcamins microsoft--
20:33 ronald i created a manual invoices, and now, i cant remove it
20:34 * druthb says "windows++" just for the purpose of arousing the ire of the peanut gallery.
20:34 ronald :(
20:34 jcamins ronald: of course not. That's against commonly-accepted accounting principles.
20:34 gmcharlt ronald: what you can do is mark the invoice "forgiven"
20:34 jcamins You can either delete it from the database or -- better -- write it off.
20:35 ronald how?
20:36 gmcharlt in the pay fines page, there is a drop-down to pay/forgive/write off each fine
20:36 ronald ok
20:37 ronald wait me
20:37 jcamins windows--
20:37 * jcamins grumbles as he tries to turn an MS Publisher file into a PDF.
20:38 ronald can not, sum Manual Invoices
20:39 ronald i had
20:39 ronald 10000
20:39 ronald and now i forgive 10000 and now i have crddit 20000
20:40 ronald credit
20:43 ronald :s
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20:44 ronald how i can either delete it from the database or -- better -- write it off.?
20:45 ronald jcamins how i can either delete it from the database or -- better -- write it off.?
20:46 jcamins ronald: gmcharlt told you how to write off fines.
20:46 ronald the manual invoices?
20:46 jcamins As for deleting from the database, the following command (or something like it) will remove all account activity for a specific patron:
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20:46 jcamins DELETE FROM accountlines WHERE borrowernumber='XXXX';
20:47 ronald ok...
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20:48 ronald ehhh sorry
20:48 ronald where you enter that command?
20:48 jcamins In mysql.
20:48 jcamins If you're not sure how to do that, I would *strongly* recommend you not try.
20:48 ronald :( i not sure
20:49 jcamins Then don't try it. Making changes directly to the database can destroy all your data.
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20:49 Ahmuck pub to pdf
20:49 Ahmuck pub2pdf, sorry
20:49 jcamins Ahmuck: really? Awesome!
20:49 ronald :s
20:50 * jcamins was opening the file in a VM with Publisher and painfully printing the file to convert it into PDF.
20:50 Ahmuck[…]er-download.shtml
20:50 jcamins :)
20:50 jcamins Ahmuck++
20:52 * Ahmuck philosophy, never do the hard work somebody else has done for you :)
20:52 jcamins Well that's obnoxious.
20:53 Ahmuck actually, it appears that is exactly what happens, open in publisher, and convert to pdf
20:53 Ahmuck via printing i suppose
20:53 * jcamins was responding to the message on the list, not Ahmuck.
20:53 jcamins Ahmuck: yeah, but it's a one step process.
20:53 jcamins That seems like an improvement to me.
20:54 Ahmuck bet it could even be scripted
20:57 rangi oh the sales one
20:58 rangi yeah
20:58 rangi i say let it die, or reply offlist, dont give it more air by quoting it whatever you do :)
20:58 jcamins I'm ignoring it.
20:58 jcamins It was obviously a bot.
20:59 jcamins Well, maybe it wasn't. I didn't read it with that much attention.
21:00 rangi yeah
21:02 * druthb will be back shortly, from her lightning presentation.  queue up your clever commentary to go on the Big Screen!
21:02 jcamins What are you talking about?
21:02 ronald jcamins where wirte it off the Manual Invoices?
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21:03 ronald where wirte it off the Manual Invoices?
21:03 jcamins ronald: I don't recall exactly. Poke around.
21:04 ronald System Preferences?
21:04 ronald help me please
21:04 jcamins ronald: it will be in the patron record, but that's the most information I can give you.
21:04 bg oh no - be careful - he maybe coming a flood of new peeps to this channel
21:05 bg druthb is lighting-talking about this channel
21:05 bg he come a bunch of mibbits
21:05 rangi well, mibbit only allows are certain amount at once
21:05 rangi i think 5
21:05 rangi so it wont be that many
21:05 bg heh
21:05 jcamins ronald: I rarely write off manual invoices. I just know it's possible.
21:06 jcamins Also, it's 5:08, which means it's time to think about issues of national, racial, and religious identity in late Imperial Russia. ;)
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21:06 rangi[…]x7261#patronfines
21:06 rangi hey its Talljoy
21:06 rangi i just read her tweet
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21:07 rangi welcome to #koha Talljoy
21:07 * rangi is in wellington new zealand
21:08 bg heya Talljoy
21:08 Talljoy Thank you
21:08 druthb joined #koha
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21:08 bg hi druthb
21:08 larryb Hello druthb
21:08 wizzyrea_ hey Ruth
21:08 sekjal swarm, swarm, swarm!!
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21:09 rangi heya druthb and mariew and skushner
21:09 bg hiya skeshner
21:09 bg heh
21:09 bg skushner
21:09 rangi druthb: mibbit will only let a certain number connect at once
21:09 druthb say howdy to #kudos11, folks!
21:09 gmcharlt heya newbie swarm!
21:09 rangi i think you probably are at about that number :)
21:09 * cait waves
21:09 bg yeah can you repost that -- we are on the big board right now?
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21:10 bg rangi I got it
21:10 Orcish_lib joined #koha
21:10 rangi you got it?
21:10 bg from rangi "well, mibbit only allows are certain amount at once
21:10 bg i think 5
21:10 bg so it wont be that many"
21:10 sekjal druthb++
21:10 druthb sekjal++
21:10 bg druthb++
21:10 rangi if ppl get connection refused, that will be why
21:10 druthb @karma druthb
21:10 huginn druthb: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 85 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 85.
21:11 Orcish_lib At karma bg
21:11 sekjal @karma windows
21:11 huginn sekjal: Karma for "windows" has been increased 1 time and decreased 7 times for a total karma of -6.
21:11 paul_p left #koha
21:11 druthb @karma
21:11 huginn druthb: Highest karma: "oleonard" (253), "gmcharlt" (250), and "chris" (236).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-104), "failed" (-53), and "-" (-35).  You (druthb) are ranked 10 out of 1415.
21:12 gmcharlt chris++
21:12 bg chris = rangi
21:12 Orcish_lib @karma bg
21:12 huginn Orcish_lib: Karma for "bg" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2.
21:12 bg rangi++
21:12 gmcharlt rangi: do you want a karma mege?
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21:12 rangi hmm
21:12 jcamins @karma brendan
21:12 huginn jcamins: Karma for "brendan" has been increased 26 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 26.
21:12 rangi @karma rangi
21:12 huginn rangi: Karma for "rangi" has been increased 67 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 67.
21:12 jcamins bg = brendan
21:12 bg I'd say yeah
21:12 rangi yeah, why not
21:12 bg bummer we aren't on the big screen anymore
21:13 rangi what,
21:13 rangi we didnt even get to do quote? :)
21:13 rangi @quote random
21:13 huginn rangi: Quote #108: "<owen> As Pee-wee said, Everyone I know has a big 'but'" (added by druthb at 03:20 PM, November 30, 2010)
21:13 bg oh yeah we're back
21:13 jwagner left #koha
21:13 rangi excuse
21:13 wahanui rangi: Unoptimized hard drive
21:13 bg nope gone again
21:13 wizzyrea_ @quote get 123
21:13 huginn wizzyrea_: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
21:13 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
21:13 rangi that'll do it every time
21:13 Space_Librarian which is amusing.
21:13 cait @wunder Konstanz
21:13 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 14.0�C (11:00 PM CEST on May 02, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.63 in 1003 hPa (Rising).
21:14 Space_Librarian everytime. :)
21:14 wizzyrea_ jquery library?
21:14 wahanui jquery library is found at[…]ki/JQuery_Library
21:14 schuster @wunder Madison WI
21:14 huginn schuster: The current temperature in Middleton, Wisconsin is 12.0�C (3:55 PM CDT on May 02, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
21:14 cait @marc 001
21:14 huginn cait: The control number assigned by the organization creating, using, or distributing the record. The MARC code for the organization is contained in field 003 (Control Number Identifier). []
21:14 rangi i bet the newbies are freaking out about now
21:14 rangi the scroll, its too fast!
21:14 Orcish_lib That would be right
21:14 rangi you do get used to it though
21:14 rangi and it is all logged
21:14 jcamins Well, kind of used to it, anyway.
21:15 jcamins You also just get in the habit of scrolling back a lot.
21:15 bg @wunder 93109
21:15 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 29.7�C (2:17 PM PDT on May 02, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 10%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020.2 hPa (Steady).
21:15 bg @wunder madison, wi
21:15 huginn bg: The current temperature in Middleton, Wisconsin is 12.0�C (3:55 PM CDT on May 02, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
21:15 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
21:15 wizzyrea_ @later tell druthb Hi :)
21:15 huginn wizzyrea_: The operation succeeded.
21:15 druthb @wunder
21:15 huginn druthb: (wunder <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
21:15 rangi[…]11-05-02#i_658089
21:15 rangi log
21:15 druthb @wunder 20852
21:15 gmcharlt @karma
21:15 huginn gmcharlt: Highest karma: "rangi" (304), "oleonard" (253), and "gmcharlt" (250).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-104), "failed" (-53), and "-" (-35).  You (gmcharlt) are ranked 3 out of 1415.
21:15 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Potomac Woods, Rockville, Maryland is 24.9�C (5:17 PM EDT on May 02, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019.2 hPa (Steady).
21:15 jcamins log?
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21:16 jcamins wahanui: log is at
21:16 wahanui OK, jcamins.
21:16 jcamins log?
21:16 wahanui i heard log was at
21:16 cait wahanui botsnack cookie
21:16 wahanui thanks cait :)
21:16 druthb wahanui:  wizzyrea?
21:16 wahanui i think wizzyrea is a wonderful mother, colleague, and friend. or a koha poet
21:16 Orcish_lib @wunder 67530
21:16 huginn Orcish_lib: The current temperature in Great Bend, Kansas is 14.9�C (4:15 PM CDT on May 02, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021.2 hPa (Falling).
21:16 rhcl_kudos @seen wizzyrea
21:16 huginn rhcl_kudos: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 3 days, 1 hour, 21 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> don't apologize, gotta do what you gotta do :)
21:16 * Space_Librarian waves at druthb
21:16 druthb sekjal?
21:16 wahanui sekjal is a wonderful geek.
21:17 * sekjal types /me
21:17 rangi wanna see something kinda useful?
21:17 rangi huh huh
21:17 rangi do ya
21:17 rangi do ya
21:17 Space_Librarian yep
21:17 rangi ?
21:17 skushner Has anyone ever virtualized a Sun Fire 280R Sparc system, and if so, how? thanks
21:17 Space_Librarian come on then.
21:17 rangi !jenkins_koha status
21:17 jenkins_koha rangi did you mean me? Unknown command '_koha'
21:17 jenkins_koha Use !jenkinshelp to get help!
21:17 rhcl_kudos we have a fire v240
21:18 rangi !jenkins status
21:18 jenkins_koha status of all projects:
21:18 jenkins_koha Koha_3.2.x: last build: 22 (11 j ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/22/
21:18 jenkins_koha Koha_master: last build: 241 (20 h ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/241/
21:18 wizzyrea_ aight kids :) they're gone
21:18 druthb left #koha
21:18 rangi they should stay
21:18 rangi we dont bite
21:18 Orcish_lib Off
21:18 rangi well except that one time
21:18 druthb joined #koha
21:18 rhcl_kudos no virtualization, but I understand sun has something that does vms
21:18 druthb presenting_without_preparation--
21:19 jcamins druthb: you did great.
21:19 Orcish_lib left #koha
21:19 * jcamins should have demonstrated the whimsical nature of some of wahanui's memories by asking about himself.
21:19 Space_Librarian druthb: I'm sure you were fantastic. :)
21:19 jcamins wahanui: jcamins?
21:19 wahanui it has been said that jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas.
21:19 skushner i'm trying to install debian on my sunbox
21:19 rangi rhcl_kudos: yeah they have zones i think they call them
21:20 rangi skushner++
21:20 druthb thanx, jcamins and Space_Librarian.
21:20 rangi druthb++ # of course you were fine
21:20 skushner i know, zones, containers, brandz, etc...but haven't found the one, thanks
21:21 schuster Great job RUTH!!
21:21 Space_Librarian druthb: your slides were awesome. And I believe your presentation will be very, *very* useful.
21:21 wizzyrea_ dschuster++
21:21 rhcl_kudos so can (or are you trying) to install debian on the bare metal?
21:21 wizzyrea_ druthb++
21:21 Space_Librarian druthb ++
21:21 druthb thanx, schuster.  Space_Librarian, this wasn't the big one you've seen...this was a mini-mini, two-slide chatter about IRC.
21:21 rangi hopefully people will come back, we talk about a lot of interesting things here, and some of the best ideas/features started here
21:22 Space_Librarian druthb: I scrolled up and read through.
21:22 druthb ooo
21:22 Space_Librarian learnt some stuff too
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21:22 druthb The presentation tomorrow is largely preaching to the converted, but there's some good thoughts in there, maybe.
21:23 * druthb waves to LBA.
21:23 bg hi LBA
21:23 henryb wahanui: LBA
21:23 wahanui henryb: what?
21:23 wizzyrea_ I don't think he knows her yet
21:23 wizzyrea_ you can teach him something about her
21:23 wizzyrea_ if you want
21:24 henryb forgot the ?
21:24 druthb LBA is brilliant!
21:24 druthb wahanui: LBA?
21:24 wahanui LBA is brilliant!
21:24 henryb LBA ++
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21:25 rangi awww they are leaving ;(
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21:26 bg booo
21:27 Space_Librarian they'll be back...
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21:29 LBA Thanks Liz. Colloquy client is better than lime irc.
21:33 ronald this is a problem.... i can created a manual credit, but dont remove it....and always will be deducted from all fines
21:33 ronald :s
21:34 wizzyrea_ sure thing :)
21:34 ronald is illogical
21:34 ronald if only i created to 1 fine, not fro all
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21:36 skushner hey ronald, we have that problem too
21:37 ronald :s
21:37 ronald sure!
21:37 ronald and now i cant remove it....and always will be deducted from all fines
21:37 wizzyrea_ lba++ - this is funny
21:37 ronald forerver and ever
21:37 sekjal three_eyed_toad++
21:37 skushner does it 0 out all the fines
21:37 gmcharlt LBA++
21:38 druthb LBA++
21:39 ronald no 0, but for example  fine 10.000 credit 2000
21:39 ronald =8000
21:39 bg LBA++
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21:40 ronald not only for 1, if not all from now on
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21:40 jwagner LBA, shouldn't you have credited Rosalie Blake?
21:41 ronald need a manual for only 1 credit, not for alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
21:41 ronald :s
21:42 ronald forever and ever....until terminal koha
21:42 ronald jajajaja
21:42 LBA Jea
21:42 ronald :s
21:43 LBA Jwahnw
21:43 LBA jwagner: Maybe so. It was history as I know it.
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21:44 LBA Hard to irc on iPhone it turns out.
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21:45 gmcharlt yeah, text entry just not up to it for fast-moving channels
21:45 gmcharlt but useful if it's what you have on hand
21:45 druthb wizzyrea++
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21:45 bg wizzyrea++
21:45 rangi thats the main reason i got a phone with a hardware keyboard
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21:48 NCARMichael Hi y'all.  I'm looking for info about the interoperability of Koha and mobile applications.
21:48 NCARMichael Any pertinent links/discussions to share w/me?
21:48 gmcharlt NCARMichael: Koha's OPAC works well enough in most smart phones
21:48 ronald so, no one can solve the problem
21:49 gmcharlt there's also an Android app
21:49 gmcharlt[…]lyst.KiritakiKoha
21:49 gmcharlt for patron self-service
21:49 jcamins ronald: add a new fine for the same amount?
21:49 gmcharlt code at
21:49 ronald yes
21:49 jcamins ronald: that was a suggestion.
21:50 NCARMichael okay, thanks Galen.
21:50 jcamins If the problem is that the balance is negative, add a fine for that amount, zeroing out the account.
21:50 gmcharlt NCARMichael: are there things you're trying to do with Koha and mobile devices, or are you just asking for background?
21:50 ronald should be a way to delete or cancel the credit
21:51 jcamins Right, now it's time to focus on the issue of Jewish national identity in late Imperial Russia, particularly with regards to Central Asia and the Khanate of Bukhara.
21:51 jcamins Good night, #koha.
21:51 NCARMichael just background and possibilities really.
21:51 jcamins ronald: if no one knows of a way, your options are experiment on your own, or try something else.
21:51 jcamins is now known as jcamins_away
21:52 ronald daaaa!
21:52 ronald thanks for nothind jcamins
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21:53 gmcharlt ronald: be polite or leave
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21:53 gmcharlt as much help as you need is available, but please remember that there are real people behind the IRC nicks
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21:54 rhcl_kudos @later tell jcamins my old <Jewish> employer used to tell me stories of his childhood in Russia--would have been around the time of the revolution I suppose
21:54 huginn rhcl_kudos: The operation succeeded.
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21:55 rangi i overheard someone on the bus today
21:55 rangi talking on their phone
21:55 rangi they said
21:56 rangi "If you are going to ask for help, don't be an egg about it"
21:56 rangi how fitting
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21:56 rhcl_kudos it's over
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22:01 sekjal okay, time to catch a breather and then go for the Vendor Reception
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22:04 rangi heh
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23:15 rangi hmm i think there's a bug in
23:16 rangi anyone around, or are people off vendor receptioning
23:16 jcamins_away What bug?
23:16 wahanui rumour has it bug is 6229
23:16 jcamins_away wahanui: forget bug
23:16 wahanui jcamins_away: I forgot bug
23:17 rangi[…]a392c60e25a6#l427
23:17 jcamins_away A bug is always bad news, particularly if you haven't filed it yet.
23:17 jcamins_away wahanui: bug?
23:17 wahanui well, bug is always bad news, particularly if you haven't filed it yet.
23:17 rangi see that sql line 427
23:17 rangi then the 444 bit
23:18 rangi what it means it it only looks to see if it should send an overdue, using the oldest overdue
23:18 rangi so if you have something 34 days overdue, and something 3 days overdue, with a trigger for 3 days
23:18 rangi it wont get sent
23:18 rangi cos the 34 days one will get in the way
23:18 jcamins_away Ooh. We had a report of that happening.
23:19 jcamins_away Well, we had a report of overdue notices not getting sent. It could have been caused by this.
23:19 rangi yes, most likely
23:19 rangi thats how i found it, a report of not sending overdues
23:19 rangi ill file a bug
23:21 jcamins_away Thanks.
23:22 * jcamins_away has been sucked into the vortex of an archive of digitized antiquarian Russian books.
23:29 rangi bug 6292
23:29 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6292 critical, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW , Overdue notices have a bug when multiple overdues exist

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