IRC log for #koha, 2011-04-13

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00:11 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_6126' into kcmaster <[…]8e03dc5c0f0610fa8> / Bug 6126: Slip print doesn't work on Webkit based browsers <[…]da1b428c489caf070>
00:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #177: STILL UNSTABLE in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/177/
00:24 jenkins_koha Frédéric Demians: Bug 5067 Add a cleanisbn param to
00:24 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5067 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED, import script removes dashes in ISBN fields
00:24 jenkins_koha Starting build 178 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #151 3 j 15 h ago)
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00:40 chris_n @wunder 28334
00:40 huginn chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 15.9�C (8:38 PM EDT on April 12, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.41 in 995.8 hPa (Steady).
00:40 rangi @wunder wellington nz
00:40 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (12:00 PM NZST on April 13, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Falling).
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01:03 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #178: STILL UNSTABLE in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/178/
01:03 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: When running the tests a user is not logged in so C4::Context->userenv
01:03 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 6174: Fix ordering of existing title
01:03 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 6126: Slip print doesn't work on Webkit based browsers
01:03 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6174 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED, Ordering fails
01:04 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6126 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Slip print doesn't work on Webkit based browsers
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01:59 jenkins_koha Starting build 179 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #151 3 j 16 h ago)
02:00 * chris_n hits the hay
02:00 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6154: Default sorting by title doesn't work <[…]4c20568336ba35cde>
02:00 chris_n g'night
02:09 space_librarian g
02:09 space_librarian g'night
02:12 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fixing typo in fix for tests <[…]028e00c9502b62339>
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02:38 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #179: STILL UNSTABLE in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/179/
02:38 jenkins_koha Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 6154: Default sorting by title doesn't work
02:38 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6154 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Default sorting by title doesn't work
02:38 jenkins_koha Starting build 180 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #151 3 j 17 h ago)
02:54 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5922 : Template changes <[…]1e2691da5b9378496> / Bug 5922 : Functional Changes <[…]01bcbce39e991bbbe>
03:18 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #180: STILL UNSTABLE in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/180/
03:18 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Fixing typo in fix for tests
03:18 jenkins_koha Starting build 181 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #151 3 j 18 h ago)
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03:20 Brooke_ kia ora
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03:26 Brooke_ 0/
03:27 AmitG heya Brooke_
03:27 Brooke_ :)
03:42 rangi hi Brooke_
03:42 Brooke_ howday
03:45 space_librarian kia ora!
03:48 Brooke_ :)
03:54 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4002] Issues with borrowernumber set as NULL <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4002>
03:57 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #181: STILL UNSTABLE in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/181/
03:57 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5922 : Functional Changes
03:57 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5922 : Template changes
03:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5922 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Show waiting items for patron on return
04:14 jenkins_koha Starting build 182 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #151 3 j 19 h ago)
04:14 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_5692' into kcmaster <[…]bb487a75fc7c7251e> / Bug 5692 : Adds an alternative cataloguing plugin for 210$c <[…]31d012084b466071b>
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04:28 AmitG heya chris
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04:31 kmkale Namaskar #koha
04:34 space_librarian namaste kmkale!
04:34 * space_librarian waves
04:37 AmitG heya space_librarian
04:37 AmitG heya kmkale
04:37 space_librarian hey AmitG
04:40 kmkale hi space_librarian
04:40 kmkale Hi AmitG
04:54 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
04:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #182: FIXED in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/182/
04:54 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 5692 : Adds an alternative cataloguing plugin for 210$c
04:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5692 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, Adds an alternative cataloguing plugin for 210$c
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05:44 magnuse kia ora #koha
05:44 magnuse sorry for the multiple identities - i'm trying to figure out bip...
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06:15 cait hi #koha
06:28 magnuse guten morgen cait
06:28 cait hi magnuse :)
06:41 cait bbl
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06:44 clrh_ hi
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07:09 magnuse bonjour clrh_ hdl julian matts & the rest of biblibre
07:09 hdl hi
07:10 matts hello #koha !
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07:13 kf good morning #okoha
07:13 kf #koha even
07:17 julian hi magnuse, hi #koha!
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07:20 francharb morning all
07:24 magnuse this makes me so frustrated: there is a service in norway that sells marc records to libraries and they have introduced a new marc field 019$b that can take multiple values separated by comma, so "dc,di,dz " is an audiobook on CD in MP3 format. what were they thinking about?
07:25 rangi evening night shift
07:26 rangi magnuse: i think the answer is they werent
07:26 magnuse good morning rangi ;-)
07:26 magnuse @quote 123
07:26 huginn magnuse: downloading the Perl source
07:26 magnuse @quote get 123
07:26 huginn magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
07:27 rangi exactly!
07:27 kf magnuse: I feel with you
07:27 kf hi julian, francharb and rangi :)
07:27 magnuse next question: is it possible to index that in zebra?
07:27 rangi yep
07:28 rangi you can index any field
07:28 rangi but making a search interface to it, that makes any sense to people
07:28 rangi thats a bit trickier
07:28 kf hm. probably
07:28 magnuse hehe
07:28 rangi ppl would have to know to type dc
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07:29 magnuse so would i have to tell zebra to split on comma, or does it do that automagically
07:29 magnuse ?
07:29 kf commas are ignored for search afaik
07:31 magnuse ok, i'll have to actually test that
07:32 magnuse this is what an interface can look like:[…]sok?mode=sok&st=a the codes are given their names in the "Media type" dropdown
07:32 kf srdjan is cleaning up the database? :)
07:32 magnuse i guess they are used much the same way as item types in koha, except for the repeatability, oh well...
07:33 rangi kf: yeah we noticed some anomalies, planning to clean them up for 3.6
07:33 kf cool :)
07:34 kf there are lots of columns and things that we don't use too
07:34 kf and a great variety of data types
07:35 magnuse tightening up the db a bit would be cool!
07:36 rangi yeah, i agree with him about issues, we should never allow null itemnumber or borrowernumbers
07:36 rangi why issue nothing to nobody :)
07:36 rangi and if we tightened that constraint
07:37 rangi that would make it impossible to delete items on issue, or borrowers who had items out
07:38 magnuse yay!
07:39 kf :)
07:39 kf my first thought was the anonymizing script - but then I thought - in issues???
07:41 francharb hi kf!
07:42 rangi yeah old issues maybe, but not issues
07:43 kf hi francharb :)
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07:57 sophie_m hello #koha
07:57 SpaceLibrarian_home good evening #koha
08:02 kf hi SpaceLibrarian_home :)
08:03 SpaceLibrarian_home :)
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10:51 kf silent day on #koha
10:57 * magnuse imagines everyone with their head down, working hard
11:02 * kf can hear the keyboards
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11:44 conan hi everybody
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11:45 AmitG heya all
11:46 hdl hi AmitG
11:46 JesseM hi AmitG
11:46 JesseM hey hdl
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11:50 AmitG heya JesseM
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11:57 druthb @quote get 102
11:57 huginn druthb: Quote #102: "<druthb> harrrumph!" (added by gmcharlt at 07:42 PM, November 11, 2010)
11:59 * jwagner glares in druthb's general direction....
12:00 * druthb glares back.
12:00 druthb New Hampshire is pretty this morning, jwagner.  Maine is just a loud scream from here, so I presume it's pretty there, too.
12:01 jwagner Then why are you harrumphing?  Maine is the best place on earth, and you're that close to it?
12:01 * druthb suggests that the only reason it's safe for you to say that is that all the Kiwis are in bed.
12:02 jwagner No, NZ is lovely and I want to go back, but Maine is heaven.
12:02 druthb it is a bit cool and drizzly here this morning, but the air is fresh and nice.  and the treeeeeeessss.
12:02 jwagner You should go up to Moosehead Lake!
12:03 druthb I'm flyin' home this afternoon, after finishing training here.  Fantastic new Koha library coming in a couple of weeks.
12:04 jwagner Sure wish _I_ could have gone onsite for my latest library to go live.  Belize.....
12:06 druthb wowie.
12:08 jwagner Wish they'd built a site visit into their contract :-)
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12:11 jcamins Good morning, #koha
12:14 alex_a hi #koha
12:15 alex_a has anyone installed Net::Z3950::ZOOM on rhel 5 yet ?
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12:20 oleonard Hi #koha
12:21 chris_n heya oleonard
12:25 gmcharlt good morning
12:26 * oleonard wonders where to begin, remembers he volunteered for something yesterday
12:29 * oleonard needs to fix the macros in his editor to do Template:Toolkit stuff...
12:33 oleonard
12:37 hdl oleonard: maybe it was the koc import to report onhold to
12:38 oleonard Actually, it was the template change in that screenshot link
12:38 oleonard Displaying "on hold" instead of a checkbox in the checkin column
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12:52 alex_a nobody ?
12:53 jcamins alex_a: very few people use RedHat with Koha.
12:54 mtj alex_a:  debian is the one most devs use
12:55 alex_a jcamins, mtj ok
12:55 alex_a unfortunatly i have to do it
12:56 alex_a it's just a nightmare
12:56 mtj start with a working debian Koha
12:56 alex_a mtj, i have done many installs on debian
12:56 mtj then learn to 'fix' your redhat Koha
12:57 alex_a ah
12:58 mtj pass… it its too tricky, convince your client to run debian
12:58 mtj s/it/if/
12:58 alex_a @mtj++
12:58 huginn alex_a: I suck
12:59 alex_a :)
12:59 alex_a but i can't decide
13:00 mtj ive let clients convince me to do Koha installs on ubuntu, and ive always regretted it!
13:00 mtj now i just say debian, or nothing :)
13:00 jcamins mtj: but installing Koha on Ubuntu is easy.
13:00 alex_a yes :)
13:00 mtj and my life got much easier….
13:00 alex_a you mean redhat ?
13:01 mtj well, installing on ubuntu is easy, sure….
13:02 mtj … but then i just double my OS problems :/
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13:04 mtj i think alex's current situation proves my point nicely
13:04 jcamins True.
13:04 gmcharlt but it's a little inflexible
13:05 gmcharlt sure, it would be convenient if everybody who wants to run Koha also runs Debian
13:05 gmcharlt but ... a lot of libraries are stuck on (say) RHEL
13:05 gmcharlt and they deserve to be able to run Koha too ;)
13:06 mtj debian has been flexible enuff, so far
13:08 mtj but, sure, i agree with you
13:08 gmcharlt of course, if somebody *really* wants solid red hat support, they could start building RPMs or finding somebody to do it
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13:17 hdl tcohen: which OS are you under ?
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13:17 hdl have you ever run RHEL ?
13:17 hdl or centos ?
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13:19 wizzyrea oleonard++ have you sent the patch for that on hold in the return column yet?
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13:19 wizzyrea (I would sign off on it)
13:20 oleonard No, but I'm glad to hear someone clicked that link :)
13:20 wizzyrea ^.^ it's one of my oldest bugs
13:21 * wizzyrea gives the community people a big hug
13:21 wizzyrea so many of my pets fixed
13:21 wizzyrea pets = pet bugs
13:21 wizzyrea I call them my pets :P
13:21 * oleonard performs no pet fixings!
13:22 wizzyrea hrmph
13:22 hdl well it should also manage to send the notice it is waiting ... if it is the dev we did.
13:22 hdl (when returned)
13:23 oleonard hdl: In that case my fix will be only temporary until your stuff makes it in
13:23 hdl is this your stuff ?
13:24 oleonard hdl: My fix is to hide the checkbox in the checkin column if the item is on hold
13:26 wizzyrea hdl: what does your dev do with items that are returned all'd at a library other than their home?
13:26 wizzyrea right now, return all silently transits items home
13:26 wizzyrea no alerts that something needs to be done
13:27 hdl it sends alerts.
13:27 wizzyrea cool beans
13:27 hdl (visual alerts)
13:28 wizzyrea a cool enhancement to that would be to also add the sound cue
13:28 wizzyrea for hold/transit found
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13:37 jcamins @later tell marcelr I don't remember if I told you this before, but I revised my patch for bug 3072 to include Any, if you'd be so kind as to sign off. :)
13:37 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
13:38 wizzyrea hm I like the way this is laid out: Too minimal for the Koha site/
13:38 wizzyrea ?
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13:39 * oleonard wrinkles his nose at that
13:39 wizzyrea :) good enough feedback for me, thanks
13:40 hdl wizzyrea we use that for our support.
13:41 wizzyrea oh, I didn't mean to use it for our bug tracker, I just like the way that their "support" page is laid out :)
13:41 wizzyrea (NEKLS uses it for tech support ticket tracking too)
13:48 alex_a gmcharlt: do some library run koha 3.2 on rhel ?
13:49 gmcharlt alex_a: I assume so (or that they run on Fedora or Centos), but I don't know of any, specfically
13:50 wizzyrea magnuse++ for teaching me something I have now used two days in a row
13:50 alex_a gmcharlt: ok
13:53 oleonard wizzyrea: ?
13:53 wizzyrea how to apply proper categories to a wiki page manually :)
13:53 wizzyrea [[Category:The_category]]
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13:58 wizzyrea woot
13:58 wizzyrea[…]_Receipt_Printing
14:00 gmcharlt wizzyrea++
14:01 wizzyrea I'm also going to add the way we use firefox portable as a "koha client" to allow our users to have a firefox they can print to any printer with.
14:02 wizzyrea because configuring firefox in that way precludes picking a new printer
14:02 wizzyrea if you have something full page to print
14:02 wizzyrea and it annoys our librarians
14:04 jcamins sekjal++
14:06 wizzyrea automatic receipt printing is found at[…]_Receipt_Printing
14:06 wizzyrea automatic receipt printing?
14:06 wizzyrea bugger.
14:06 jcamins wahanui is missing.
14:06 wizzyrea I miss him. :(
14:07 jcamins Me too.
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14:25 slef hi all.
14:25 wizzyrea hi slef :D
14:27 slef wizzyrea?
14:27 wizzyrea just glad to see you :)
14:27 wizzyrea I was watching a very old Top Gear last night, and they were trying to drive a Hummer through a town that I imagined was very much like yours
14:27 wizzyrea it did not fit so well.
14:28 slef heh, yeah, I've not seen any Hummers here
14:28 wizzyrea ^^ lots of things in that sentence I imagine that make you cringe (hehe)
14:29 slef We did get a skip lorry wedged sideways across the main road a year or two ago. Front end in the church house wall, back end propped up on the road up the hill.
14:29 wizzyrea :O
14:29 slef mmm, "Top Gear" is probably the worst
14:30 wizzyrea :) I kind of guessed that you wouldn't be a fan.
14:30 wizzyrea (it's sort of the worst in petrol wasting nonsense)
14:30 slef[…]ity-201104113707/
14:30 wizzyrea lulz
14:30 slef I viewed it as harmless fun until the xenophobia got too bad.
14:31 slef is quite funny if it's the clip I think it is.
14:32 slef gmcharlt: do you use "SIP 3.0 Development Community"?
14:32 gmcharlt slef: not at present; to be frank, I've let the SIP 3.0 stuff drop off my radara
14:34 slef gmcharlt: I've just got access today but it seems like a ghost town populated by Microsoft Office X attachments and discussions topics without "Reply" links.
14:34 wizzyrea slef: that article just made my entire office laugh.
14:35 slef wizzyrea: yeah, the daily mash is good when it's good and strange when it's bad.
14:35 slef[…]ing-201104133716/ #ratbags, yay!
14:36 wizzyrea yay ratbags!
14:41 conan gmcharlt: is it possible a table doesn't exists in the pgsql version? I can't find borrower_attribute_types table in ./installer/data/Pg/kohastructure.sql
14:41 jcamins conan: Koha doesn't currently work with Postgres.
14:41 conan ah... nice to know
14:42 conan jcamins: I was modifying it just to be comprehensive, but I don't had a way to test it
14:42 conan so I should leave it untouched, right?
14:43 jcamins That's correct.
14:45 jcamins sekjal: are you in the video of the Holyoke mall flash mob?
14:46 sekjal jcamins: likely
14:46 jcamins I just watched it and didn't spot you. :(
14:47 sekjal nope, didn't see me, either
14:47 sekjal I know I was photographed a couple times
14:48 sekjal but the cameras were on the other side of the area, I suppose
14:50 conan anyone knows about any other table linking to authorised_values.category besides: auth_subfield_structure, auth_tag_structure, borrower_attribute_types, marc_subfield_structure and marc_tag_structure ?
14:50 slef gmcharlt: I'll try to find time to make sure SIP 3.0 isn't awful for Koha and Evergreen. Would you have time to chat some time? I see they're planning to public something next month.
14:50 slef conan: all I know is what grep tells me.
14:50 gmcharlt slef: cool.  I'm freeish Friday and early next week
14:51 slef gmcharlt: maybe Monday UK PM would be good, before or after the 3M phone call?
14:51 gmcharlt slef: after, I think
14:52 slef I think that's 10:00 -0500 but I could be wrong.
14:52 gmcharlt sounds right
14:52 conan slef: grep wont help you find a relation between two tables the way things are set now
14:52 gmcharlt conan: there are some soft links as well
14:53 gmcharlt e.g., the borrower sort fields can be controled by authorized values
14:53 slef gmcharlt: right, after the call, I'll hop on here, OK?
14:53 gmcharlt slef: it's a date
14:53 slef conan: it'll find whenever authorised_values is mentioned in the code.
14:54 conan gmcharlt: hum... but sort1 and sort2 are varchar(80), so they don't point to authorised_values.category, which is my concern
14:54 gmcharlt conan: right, just values
14:54 conan may the hold content from authorised_values.authorised_value?
14:56 conan slef: yes, I have found all those already, I'm asking about ... er... mysterious links
14:56 conan I recall some mail talking about some ccode stuff
14:57 conan I think they were linked too, but I'm not sure, and since I'm not seeing those columns now, maybe I should not touch them
14:58 conan unless someone tell me there's a link the exact same way is a link between, say, marc_tag_structure.authorised_value and authorised_value.category
15:00 oleonard
15:00 oleonard Why, one might ask, is only the first branch linked?
15:01 jcamins Why is only the first branch linked?
15:01 jcamins :)
15:01 oleonard In this case only the first one is an item at its home location. The others are in Athens but do not belong there.
15:02 slef conan: ok, I recall nothing, so I'm stuck :-/
15:11 wizzyrea and the companion to configuring receipt printers:[…]_as_a_Koha_Client
15:15 oleonard What is the "|0" here? [% |0 %]
15:17 oleonard "The pipe character, |, can also be used as an alias for FILTER"
15:17 oleonard Filter 0 ?
15:19 oleonard I guess it's just wrong: "Template process failed: undef error - 0: filter not found at /home/oleonard/kohaclone/C4/ line 119."
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15:57 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6179] Extra column on fines in staff client <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6179>
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16:20 oleonard wizzyrea: Sent you my patch for 3514, such as it is.
16:20 conan bye all
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16:21 wizzyrea I see! will test it in the next few minutes
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16:40 jcamins I think Myshkin is dreaming that he has been given his very own bunny to play with.
16:44 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6181] Remove CGI::scrolling_list from C4:Budgets <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6181>
16:49 hdl gmcharlt: is there a kind of uniq function for MARC::Field to operate on a MARC::Record somewhere.
16:50 hdl gmcharlt: I havenot found any in Koha.
16:50 hdl I think this could be a nice function to add.
16:50 gmcharlt hdl: patches welcome
16:50 hdl But maybe I am wrong and it is useless.
16:51 hdl Do you think it could be helpfull
16:51 hdl ?
16:51 gmcharlt hdl: I agree that it would be useful
16:51 gmcharlt such a function should probably include a tag pattern parameter
16:51 hdl have you ever come into such a problem ?
16:51 gmcharlt so that you can (say) dedupe subject heading fields
16:52 hdl i thought it could work as uniq
16:52 hdl say uniq record->field('700');
16:53 hdl would return the unique records for field 700
16:53 hdl then all you would have to do is
16:55 hdl my @fields=uniq $record->field('700');
16:55 hdl $record->delete_fields('700')
16:56 hdl $record->insert_fields_orderd(@fields);
16:57 hdl can't think why it has never been written
16:58 hdl so asking
16:59 hdl And I don't know if it belongs to MARC::Field or to another package. Koha::MARC::Utils
17:00 hdl It is not Koha related.
17:00 hdl rather a MARC related stuff
17:03 gmcharlt MARC::Record would be fine
17:03 gmcharlt woudl need to recast it as MARC::Record::uniq
17:05 hdl and MARC::Record::match_field
17:05 hdl to make a test.
17:06 hdl will give it a try
17:23 gmcharlt hdl++
17:23 hdl see ya
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17:23 cait hi #koha
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18:23 Brooke_ kia ora
18:23 oleonard Hi Brooke_
18:24 Brooke_ 0/
18:24 cait hi Brooke
18:25 Brooke_ :)
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18:29 cait hm search results on master broken?
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18:32 oleonard Same for me cait
18:33 cait bug filed
18:33 cait bug 6182
18:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6182 blocker, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Search results in intranet broken
18:41 oleonard I'm on my third new branch modifying today. I see merge conflicts ahead.
18:43 jcamins cait: when did your fix for series tracings get into Koha?
18:43 cait oh
18:43 cait not sure - it was that big patch
18:43 cait months ago I think
18:43 cait why?
18:43 jcamins Yeah, see, that's my problem, too.
18:44 cait you can find out :)
18:44 jcamins "that big patch"?
18:44 cait bug 4506
18:44 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4506 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, RESOLVED FIXED, Add support of record linking by record control number in $w
18:44 cait 2010-12-14
18:44 jcamins Thanks.
18:44 cait yvw
18:45 cait is that the right abbr?
18:45 jcamins Yup.
18:45 cait :)
18:48 * cait is testing with German now :)
18:49 * oleonard is starting to feel like Template::Toolkit came up and kicked the 1000 piece puzzle he was about to finish
18:49 cait ouch
18:49 * cait likes jigsaw
18:49 cait s
18:50 cait cool
18:50 cait I think for the first time the umlauts in z39.50 search are perfect in all views!
18:54 cait hm
18:54 cait oleonard: can you check pulgin for 007?
18:54 oleonard Check it how?
18:54 cait open it and select something
18:55 cait should open more options I think? after you chose the material type?
18:56 oleonard There's a lot of javascript there, so I think you're right. Doesn't do anything at all for me.
18:56 cait ok, next bug report coming up - thx for checking
18:56 oleonard Are we allowed to do "[% IF foo || bar %]" with Template Toolkit?
18:57 cait no idea
18:57 cait sorry, didn#t have time to find a tutorial yet :(
18:57 jcamins I think it's [% IF ( foo || bar ) %] but I could easily be mistaken.
18:59 * oleonard has found this:
19:00 oleonard rangi?
19:01 cait thx oleonard
19:01 cait I will concentrate on testing for tonight - already getting late
19:01 cait hope to find some time to study this on the weekend
19:03 cait oh 008 has a nice new view!
19:04 jcamins Isn't it wonderful?
19:04 cait yes
19:04 cait :)
19:05 cait yours?
19:06 jcamins Nope.
19:06 jcamins Just one of my favorite new features.
19:17 wizzyrea I had a thought about "return all"
19:17 wizzyrea (how to handle holds and transfers)
19:17 wizzyrea why not print slips for the items with holds/transfers
19:17 wizzyrea a la SIP
19:17 wizzyrea so all the staff member does is grab the slip and slap it in the book
19:18 cait a la SIP?
19:18 wizzyrea or optionally print slips... or notify and "print all exception slips"
19:18 wizzyrea when we do checkins via sip
19:18 wizzyrea if a hold is found, it prints a slip
19:18 wizzyrea the staff member then goes through the bin, finds the book, and puts the slip in the book and sends it on its way
19:19 wizzyrea it's a similar mechanic to "return all" except the books come in one by one, but all are returned automatically
19:20 wizzyrea it's not so different from busy mom with a stack of 20 library books, wants to return all... we need to know about the exceptions
19:20 wizzyrea (and what to do)
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19:20 Brooke_ 0/
19:20 wizzyrea hey hdl
19:21 cait hi hdl
19:21 sekjal wizzyrea: sounds promising
19:22 wizzyrea i suppose you could either auto-confirm the holds, or do like the SIP does, print the slip and then require a 2nd manual checkin
19:23 cait hm, some things translated in the po files are not translated in staff :(
19:24 rangi cait: can u try something for me
19:24 cait of course
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19:24 rangi make a backup of the .po
19:24 cait ok
19:24 rangi then run translate update
19:25 cait mom :) laptop is slow
19:25 hdl hi all
19:25 rangi and compare the difference (if it works)
19:25 rangi heya hdl
19:25 cait what's the best way to compare?
19:25 rangi diff
19:26 cait I got new files from pootle for testing, hope that's ok
19:26 rangi diff fileone filetwo
19:26 cait ok
19:26 rangi yeah thats perfect
19:26 rangi who wants to answer Adalid
19:26 rangi about email circ slips?
19:27 wizzyrea should just be a link to the manual, I can
19:27 rangi yay
19:28 cait ok, update done
19:28 cait trying to compare now :)
19:28 hdl oleonard: about the TT stuff you just sent... I think it would be profitable if there was a count of relissues so that Librarians can be warned if there is some issues for relatives
19:29 cait what I am looking for?
19:29 hdl diff fileone filetwo
19:29 oleonard hdl: Maybe so, but I was just resubmitting a previously-sent patch updated for TT
19:29 cait hdl: did that :)
19:29 cait but the list... is huge
19:30 hdl oleonard: So will add a minus patch over yours... open a bug
19:30 oleonard A minus patch?
19:31 cait rangi?
19:31 hdl a minor addition
19:31 rangi ahh if its huge then search for a string that is translated
19:32 rangi but not showing
19:32 cait ok
19:32 rangi dont spend too much time on it just was hoping something obvious would pop out
19:33 cait that would be good
19:33 cait so far i have to strings
19:33 cait Attach item - the button in intranet detail view
19:33 cait and the tooltips in cataloging - Delete this tag, repeat this tag
19:33 cait to = 2...
19:33 * oleonard wonders where the hell his form tag is going
19:34 rangi right and are then in the updated one?
19:34 cait rangi: it's missing
19:34 * cait is confused
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19:35 cait ah it's ok -capital I
19:35 cait Attach Item
19:35 rangi ahh
19:35 rangi capital in both?
19:36 cait1 yep Attach Item
19:36 cait1 I had Attach item in my first search - it's there, not sure if there is something obviouw
19:36 cait1 I try installing the updated script now
19:37 rangi cool
19:37 cait1 updated po file...
19:37 cait1 hm
19:37 cait1 seems to be a bigger problem
19:38 cait1 I see the xslt detai view is completely untranslated, as is the toolbar in intranet detail view
19:38 cait1 it's everything, not only the Attach Item
19:39 cait1 hmpf :(
19:41 cait1 rangi?
19:41 rangi and its the same with the original po file?
19:41 cait1 checking both right now
19:41 cait1 the new one has:
19:41 cait1 #~ msgid "Attach Item"
19:41 cait1 #~ msgstr "Exemplar umhängen"
19:41 rangi yeah commented out
19:41 cait1 yep, not good
19:41 cait1 checking the original file next
19:42 rangi does it have Attach item?
19:42 cait1 #. SCRIPT
19:42 cait1 #: intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/
19:42 cait1 msgid "Attach Item"
19:42 cait1 msgstr "Exemplar umhängen"
19:42 rangi I wonder if the template has changed to Attach item?
19:42 jcamins Has anyone ever noticed that the perldoc for Biblio::DelBiblio is wrong?
19:42 cait1 there is no fuzzy
19:42 cait1 I checked that
19:43 rangi but with no fuzzy
19:43 rangi it still doesn't translate right?
19:43 cait1 there was no fuzzy
19:43 rangi so I dont think thats it
19:43 cait1 I am reinstalling the pootle files now
19:44 cait1 I think we can rule out 'obvious'
19:44 rangi yep
19:45 cait1 same
19:45 rangi its translating some at least in the opac, so we just have to find why it is missing some
19:45 cait1 still toolbar and xslt is not translated
19:45 rangi ill look into it today
19:45 cait1 I have german tabs and header columns though
19:45 cait1 ok
19:46 rangi oh
19:46 rangi toolbar is js
19:46 rangi ?
19:46 cait1 yui something I guess
19:46 cait1 and xslt translation is special too
19:46 rangi yeah js
19:46 rangi I think it is
19:46 cait1 yep - I agree
19:46 rangi just only doing .inc and .tt
19:47 rangi missing js/xslt
19:47 cait1 aha
19:47 oleonard toolbar files are .inc files, but they have a lot of js in them
19:47 cait1 hard to fix?
19:47 rangi that should be fixable, will look when I get to my desk
19:47 rangi I hope not
19:48 cait1 me too
19:50 cait1 ok, will test some other things in the meantime :)
19:50 rangi :)
19:50 rangi ok bbiab
19:52 wizzyrea fyi my koha version in my about koha says :P
19:52 cait1 hehe
19:52 wizzyrea it's NAUGHTY koha!
19:52 cait1 yep, same here
19:52 Brooke_ oooh
19:52 * Brooke_ is willing to develop naughty Koha
19:53 oleonard At the very least we could have naught versions of the circ sounds
19:53 ibeardslee who is doing the recording?
19:53 Brooke_ I can just see it now: Naughty Koha, because it's legal in eNZed.
19:53 ibeardslee Brooke_: as long as the copyright is well sorted
19:54 Brooke_ rofl
19:54 ibeardslee hate to think people end up being disconnected because of using it
19:55 Brooke_ mebbe we can get it secretly stuffed into the CHCH relief bill, yeah, that's the ticket...
19:55 wizzyrea hehe
19:55 ibeardslee :(
19:57 jcamins What does an ampersand before a method call in Perl mean?
19:58 cait1 good question
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19:58 * cait1 wondered about that too :)
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20:00 cait1 t
20:00 cait1 hm.
20:01 rangi its an old way of doing it
20:01 rangi harmless, but not needed anymore
20:06 oleonard rangi: Are we allowed to do this now that we're on TT?  [% IF ( foo || bar ) %]
20:06 rangi yes
20:06 oleonard Cool.
20:06 rangi and if foo == 2
20:06 rangi and foo eq 'four'
20:06 rangi etc
20:06 rangi no more needed 18 variables
20:07 rangi so we dont have to use tmpl expr
20:07 rangi what i will get mad at is
20:07 rangi [% PERL %]
20:07 rangi blocks
20:07 rangi but other stuff is fair game, we can write custom filters
20:08 rangi and do [% 856u | serialsolutions %]
20:08 rangi to get a nice url that works for serials solutions, .. or whatever
20:09 rangi i picked that cos we just did something like that for plant and food
20:09 jcamins Ooooh.
20:10 rangi or my fave
20:10 rangi [% some_notes_field | convert_newlines_to_br %]
20:10 wizzyrea oooooo
20:10 wizzyrea ahhhhhh
20:11 rangi ie do the display stuff in the display
20:11 rangi not in the .pl
20:11 wizzyrea big relief that
20:11 rangi its a brave new world
20:11 rangi hehe
20:12 wizzyrea hmm I just got twitter spam from kohagit
20:12 jcamins So did I.
20:12 jcamins I forgot to ask who manages that account.
20:12 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6183] "Cancel marked requests" button has become "Renew checked items" on's display of holds <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6183>
20:13 cait1 bug 6187
20:13 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6187 major, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, View full heading in OPAC's authority search broken
20:13 oleonard This page says no update since 25 Oct:!/kohagit
20:13 rangi jcamins: it should be on the wiki
20:14 rangi yeah its probably listening to old git
20:14 jcamins rangi: yeah, that's you.
20:14 jcamins ;)
20:14 jcamins So, uhh, change the password.
20:14 rangi if i knew it i would
20:15 cait1 oleonard: taking care you don't get bored ;)
20:16 rangi jcamins: did it message you?
20:16 jcamins rangi: yeah.
20:16 wizzyrea it' DM"d me too
20:16 rangi god twitter is a pile of poo
20:17 * oleonard will have to save his not being bored for tomorrow
20:17 * oleonard quits
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20:17 cait1 oooh... :(
20:17 cait1 now he was too fast to wish him something nice
20:28 jcamins Good night, #koha
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20:35 wizzyrea @quote get 123
20:35 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
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20:44 cait1 that will never get old
20:44 rangi got a sec cait1 ?
20:44 cait1 sure :)
20:45 cait1 is now known as cait
20:46 rangi in
20:46 rangi line 232
20:46 rangi can you try adding a |js to that and see if that fixes the toolbar transaltion
20:47 cait yep, give me a minute
20:50 cait installing...
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20:52 cait no :(
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20:55 rangi dangit
20:55 rangi ill keep looking then
20:55 cait ok
20:56 cait should I have updated first?
20:56 cait before installing?
20:57 rangi nope
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21:03 space_librarian good morning all.
21:03 cait hi space_librarian :)
21:03 * space_librarian waves at cait
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21:48 cait bye all
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21:59 Waylon Hiya! boss makes a strange request "I don’t want user or anybody less to know the system we are using, so I want to remove the word “koha” from everywhere, especially from the url and the error messages" .... this legally speaking, okay? why would someone want this?
22:04 rangi its legally ok
22:04 rangi its pretty wanky
22:04 rangi its not a request id be comfortable doing
22:05 rangi does he/she say why?
22:05 bg seems like a waste of time :)
22:09 mtj would make a pretty unpleasant patch for their upgrades, too
22:10 jcamins_away mtj: not too bad... the only change would be the httpd.conf.
22:10 jcamins_away Oh, "everywhere."
22:10 jcamins_away Right.
22:11 jcamins_away Never mind. Very unpleasant.
22:11 mtj yeah, next please...
22:12 jcamins_away Still seems kind of unethical.
22:13 rangi yeah, we'll use your work, but damned if we will ever give you any credit
22:14 rangi heh
22:14 jcamins_away rhcl++ # I was feeling grim about this stupid book report, and you made me laugh
22:15 jcamins_away :)
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22:45 Waylon If his reason is for security, that knowing what system a library runs on, means knowing what attack vectors to use, is his reason unfounded? okay, we're still using koha 3.0.0rc1, because of the extensive modding we've done to it, git-less, and haven't had time to redevelop on 3.2, but still...
22:45 rangi security through obscurity is a thoroughly debunked idea
22:46 rangi and even hiding the url and trying to remove all references to koha everywhere, people would still be able to figure out it was koha
22:46 rangi you should find out the reason first
22:46 rangi no point speculating
22:46 rangi just ask why
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23:26 eythian rangi: actually, hiding things like version numbers is considered best practice. I wouldn't bother hiding the whole product name though, as it's easy to work out by searching for template strings.
23:30 space_librarian RBNZ would like to know if we can do 9.30 next Wednesday, as their entire knowledge team is there
23:30 rangi well yeah version numbers i can see
23:31 rangi space_librarian: yep can do
23:31 space_librarian coolio
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23:36 eythian rangi: personally, this is the degree I go to:
23:36 eythian $ telnet 25
23:36 eythian Connected to
23:36 eythian 220 ESMTP Postfix (Commodore Vic-20)
23:38 rangi :)
23:39 rangi it is actually Postfix though?
23:39 eythian it is
23:39 * eythian tries to avoid non-postfix servers
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