IRC log for #koha, 2011-04-12

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02:14 Brooke_ kia ora
02:48 rangi hi Brooke_
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03:36 AmitG heya Brooke_
03:36 AmitG heya chris
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04:43 Brooke_ don't all talk at once, y'all.
04:45 rangi heh
05:17 fredericd rangi: did TT translation scripts works for you? They doesn't for me.
05:28 fredericd @later tell rangi TT translation scripts don't work as they should for me. You have to talk about that.
05:28 huginn fredericd: The operation succeeded.
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05:47 cait good morning #koha
05:47 Brooke_ guten tag
05:47 cait hi Brooke_ :)
05:49 fredericd good morning
05:52 cait hi fredericd
05:54 cait fredericd: chris showed me his opac in German last night - I am hopeful the problem with the scripts can be solved :)
05:54 fredericd So, I'm relieved :)
05:55 cait hm, why do a lot of items in my test database have no branch?
05:55 cait only talking to myself, I am a little shocked
05:56 cait uh
05:56 cait and I can't edit one of them
05:56 Brooke_ the cataloguer in your test database needs a spanking.
05:56 cait and not even a new one
05:56 cait someone else with a database on master around?
05:57 fredericd I have one
05:59 cait Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at /home/katrin/kohaclone/C4/ line 2097.
05:59 cait I have added a new item, now want to edit it
05:59 cait and I have tried to edit an existing item - but one with missing branch information
06:00 fredericd where is the information missing? in 952 field or in items table?
06:00 cait good question
06:00 cait can you check if you can edit normal items?
06:00 cait the new one had the correct information
06:00 cait I will check for the problematic one
06:01 fredericd same error here when trying to modify an item...
06:01 cait ouch
06:01 cait this could be our blocker bug
06:02 cait the brnach information is missing in both - marcxml and the items table
06:02 cait the new item I added looks right to me
06:02 cait rangi: still around?
06:02 fredericd In my case, branch is here: so this bug seems unrelated
06:03 cait yes
06:04 cait I think that too
06:04 cait I will file a blocker bug with the error message and what Idid - add a new item, can't edit
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06:05 Brooke_ 0/
06:05 magnuse \o/
06:05 cait fredericd: do you have an idea what the problem could be?
06:06 * magnuse looks at[…]Mysqldump_Library and[…]i/Backing_up_Koha and scratches his head
06:07 fredericd difficult to say. The error message indicates that the MARC::Record object is undef. But we don't know who call this function...
06:07 cait hi magnuse
06:08 cait can you do me a favor? try to add and edit an item in a current branch?
06:08 magnuse guten morgen cait & #koha
06:08 magnuse with tt?
06:08 cait yes
06:09 AmitG heya cait
06:09 cait hi AmitG :)
06:10 fredericd even modifying an existing item raises the error
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06:11 cait magnuse: hm. both fredericd and me can't add or edit items
06:11 cait on master
06:12 cait I think if we both can't it's probably a general problem :(
06:12 cait I am sending the bug report
06:12 magnuse Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at /home/magnus/kohahead/C4/ line 2097?
06:12 cait ouch again
06:12 magnuse same error as you?
06:12 cait bug 6171
06:12 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6171 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Can't edit items
06:12 cait yes :(
06:14 magnuse hm
06:15 cait time to get ready for work
06:16 magnuse 3.2.x has this link for editing items:​umber=1&itemnumber=2#edititem
06:16 magnuse versus this in master:
06:16 cait the itemnumber is missing
06:17 cait ohr... now
06:17 cait the biblionumber?
06:17 * cait is confused
06:17 fredericd the biblionumber is missing, so the biblio record can't be retrieved
06:17 magnuse biblionumber is missing
06:17 fredericd TT issue
06:17 * magnuse would think so
06:18 fredericd cait: I can try to fix it if you don't want to
06:19 cait I want to - but have to run - would be happy if you could fix it
06:20 fredericd run cait, run as far as you can...
06:23 cait hehe
06:23 cait no, only to work, not very far :P
06:24 magnuse don't rob any banks on your way!
06:35 cait I will try
06:36 cait fortunately I don't have to pass one and fight the temptation
06:36 magnuse good
06:40 cait fredericd++
06:40 cait now magnuse can sign-off... *runs*
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06:41 kmkale Namaskar #koha
06:42 magnuse hiya kmkale
06:42 kmkale hi magnuse
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06:43 magnuse bonjour matts
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06:46 glernil good day!
06:49 matts hello everyone !
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07:12 rangi evening
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07:13 kf hi #koha
07:13 kf community++
07:13 kf magnuse++
07:14 sophie_m hello
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07:15 clrh_ hi
07:15 rangi thanks for the patch fredericd
07:15 rangi and thanks for the signoff magnus_breakfast
07:16 rangi hi kf sophie_m clrh_ and hdl
07:16 rangi hdl I asked sekjal to have a look at the bug
07:16 hdl hi all
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07:17 kf hi rangi, hdl... and all :)
07:18 hdl hi miguel
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07:19 kf hdl: any news on your circ matrix work?
07:20 hdl i posted that on a branch.
07:20 kf is there a bug for it?
07:20 hdl Waiting for it to be signed off.
07:20 hdl yes.
07:21 hdl you have my work there :
07:21 hdl[…]heads/wip/bug5872
07:21 hdl wip/koha-biblibre repository on
07:21 hdl wip/bug5872
07:21 hdl branch
07:21 kf bug 5872
07:21 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5872 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, christophe.croullebois, ASSIGNED, Enhancements to circulation management
07:22 rangi yep thats the one I asked sekjal to have a look at
07:27 hdl miguel: miguelxercode feel free to test and signoff on that branch wip/bug5872 (only for IssuingRules edition)... It will allow the circulation work we did and you liked get into the community branch
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07:30 rangi community branch?
07:31 fredericd rangi: TT translation scripts don't work for me.
07:32 fredericd It's impossible to create a new language.
07:32 fredericd update fails on 3.2 .po file. msgmerge stops with error.
07:32 fredericd Last but not least, string extraction has changed since HTML::Template
07:32 fredericd example on
07:32 fredericd line 44
07:32 fredericd <div class="warning">The browser table is empty. this feature is not fully set-up. See the <a href="[…]ac_browse_feature">Koha Wiki</a> for more information on what it does and how to configure it.</div>
07:33 fredericd produces two entries in .po file:
07:33 fredericd msgid "The browser table is empty. this feature is not fully set-up. See the "
07:33 fredericd msgid " for more information on what it does and how to configure it."
07:33 fredericd should have produce this:
07:33 fredericd msgid "The browser table is empty. this feature is not fully set-up. See the <a1>wiki</a> for more information on what it does and how to configure it."
07:34 rangi translate install works fine from the ones created with the old one
07:34 rangi so if you want to update them
07:35 rangi using the old script, ie checkout the tag
07:35 rangi create/update all the .po files and then people can at least start translating
07:36 rangi while we look at the tt one
07:36 rangi but translate install language works with tt
07:36 fredericd yes, translate install works
07:36 rangi so for now, checkout the tag
07:37 fredericd which tag? I don't understand
07:37 rangi in my mails to koha-devel list
07:37 rangi i tagged master before i merged
07:37 rangi in the TT work
07:38 rangi so you can checkout that tag, and then you have all the .tmpl templates and the old translate scripts
07:38 fredericd rangi: but on master we have 3.0 .po files. 3.2 are on 3.2 branch.
07:39 rangi yes
07:39 rangi so checkout html_template_pro
07:40 rangi cp the .po files from a 3.2.x checkout into there
07:40 rangi update them, create any new ones you need
07:40 rangi whack them in pootle
07:40 rangi and people can start translating
07:41 fredericd Ok, I can try and see how it works
07:41 rangi and then if we have to remove template::toolkit work to release it will work still, and if we dont, we will still be able to install them and then we just have to fix the create/update
07:42 fredericd Yes, there are obviously few bugs, the issue beeing that string extraction process is a black box (for me)
07:42 rangi and that way people only have to update the stuff that is different between 3.2.x and 3.4
07:42 rangi its a blackbox for everyone
07:43 rangi but at least now we are using HTML::Parser
07:43 rangi as the base for parsing the templates
07:43 rangi which I at least mostly understand :)
07:43 rangi the old scripts, i have no idea how they work :)
07:43 rangi basically i have just been working on getting hte install to work right
07:44 rangi tomorrow i can look into the create
07:44 rangi but we dont actually need the create for release, just install
07:45 rangi (of course i want both :))
07:47 fredericd who is Christopher Hall?
07:48 rangi a university student who worked for us over the holidays, he did a huge amount of work on the templating, mostly making the script to automatically convert the templates
07:48 fredericd and he updated the template tokenizer to handle TT?
07:48 rangi yep
07:49 rangi TTParser
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07:49 fredericd I'm on it :)
07:49 rangi cool :)
07:50 rangi i think probably needs a little tweak or 2, i had to tweak it to get the install happy
07:50 rangi man HTML::Parser
07:50 rangi i had to do that a lot :)
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07:51 fredericd Yes, I can imagine how fun it is!
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07:53 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6171 Can't edit items <[…]19ce00eaf6808432a>
07:54 rangi so just builds up @tokens
07:54 miguel hi all
07:55 rangi does stuff with the tokens
07:55 rangi i *think* the tokens are being created ok
07:55 rangi at least for install
07:56 rangi but i think they are slighly different than in the old system, which is why is doing the wrong thing with them
07:56 rangi or
07:58 rangi yeah its
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08:00 kf wb magnuse
08:00 magnuse thanks kf
08:00 jenkins_koha Starting build 172 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #151 2 j 22 h ago)
08:01 rangi fredericd: create seems to work ok for the opac, but dies on the intranet .. do you get the same?
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08:02 magnuse argh, why would one of my installations suddenly start to get 0 hits and zebra error 109?
08:03 pastebot0 "rangi" at pasted "translate create" (23 lines) at
08:03 rangi magnuse: disk full?
08:03 fredericd rangi: yes
08:03 rangi fredericd: you get the same error with bad characters?
08:04 fredericd + for the OPAC the string extraction issues: split a string into 2 msgid
08:04 fredericd yes, bad characters error message
08:04 fredericd and msgmerge fails
08:04 rangi right, ill work on the invalid bytes if you want to look at the split over 2 lines problem?
08:05 fredericd ok
08:05 magnuse rangi: nope, /dev/sda1 is at 38% and the others at 0 or 1%
08:05 fredericd bad endoding seems to come from string in French: so from plugin template for example
08:05 rangi magnuse: i have seen that error if zebraidx was killed while it was building the indexes
08:06 rangi fredericd: right, i wonder if we are double encoding
08:07 magnuse rangi: ok, any tips on how to recover from that? i have run rebuild_zebra multiple times without any errors
08:07 rangi you have done a -r ?
08:08 magnuse rangi: yep, -b -r -v to be precise
08:08 rangi try this[…]/faq/searching/#5
08:14 rangi fredericd: fixed the invalid characters
08:14 rangi will push up the fix now
08:17 rangi pushed
08:19 rangi[…]41ce738cd2690e4dd
08:19 rangi i think i got the simple problem :)
08:23 rangi magnuse: did that help?
08:23 magnuse rangi: nope, still 0 results...
08:24 rangi and still 109?
08:24 magnuse lemme check...
08:24 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_5917' into kcmaster <[…]a59d2d9c2e121458b> / Bug 5917 : Fix for <[…]86319a6cda62b4e94>
08:24 rangi did the rebuild throw any errors?
08:27 magnuse rangi: still 109, no errors that i can see on rebuild
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08:30 rangi hmmm nope i havent seen that
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08:31 rangi i wonder if its space
08:31 rangi (not on disk but in the zebraidx)
08:31 magnuse this database only has 360 records...
08:31 magnuse and other installations on the same box with a lot more records are doing fine
08:33 magnuse i run zebra from the command line to see all it's output, including the 109, but when i run rebuild_zebra in another terminal zebra doesn't say anything - that seems a bit weird...
08:35 rangi no thats right
08:35 rangi rebuild doesnt touch zebrasrv at all
08:35 magnuse ah, ok
08:35 rangi ok, permissions in the only other thing i can think of
08:35 rangi is the user running zebrasrv
08:36 rangi the same as the one running the rebuild?
08:36 magnuse yup
08:36 hdl magnuse do you have any warnings ?
08:36 rangi an all the files are the owned by the same?
08:36 magnuse hdl: none that i can see
08:36 hdl warn previous transaction doesnot reach commit
08:37 rangi oh i have an idea
08:37 hdl it is just a one line... So can be missed.
08:37 magnuse hdl: would i see that when running rebuild_zebra?
08:37 rangi try -x -v -b
08:37 hdl with -v yes.
08:37 hdl with -x and maybe -r -nosanitize
08:38 hdl (the r will recreate the database if some data is exported.)
08:40 magnuse -x -v -b or -x -v -b -r did not change anything
08:40 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #172: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/172/
08:40 jenkins_koha Frédéric Demians: Bug 6171 Can't edit items
08:40 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6171 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW, Can't edit items
08:41 jenkins_koha Starting build 173 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #151 2 j 23 h ago)
08:41 rangi magnuse: so it does all the merge ?
08:42 magnuse rangi: all the merge?
08:45 rangi the last part of the zebraidx is doing a merge and then moving the shadow files over
08:45 rangi hmm maybe try without shadow
08:45 rangi try with -w
08:47 * magnuse is on the phone...
08:48 rangi sorry
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09:00 magnuse sorry, had to take that call
09:00 magnuse still no luck with -w
09:01 hdl try to do it manually
09:01 hdl rebuild with -k
09:01 hdl then use the exported record to index with
09:02 hdl zebraidx -c path/to/zebra-biblios.cfg -d biblios -g iso2709 update path/to/your/exported_records
09:02 hdl zebraidx -c path/to/zebra-biblios.cfg -d biblios -g iso2709 init
09:02 hdl to purge the data
09:02 hdl zebraidx -c path/to/zebra-biblios.cfg -d biblios -g iso2709 commit
09:02 hdl to commit the update
09:03 magnuse i'm trying with -k now
09:03 hdl You may also use
09:03 hdl base IR-Explain-1
09:03 hdl format xml
09:03 hdl f @attr exp1 1=1 databaseinfo
09:03 hdl show
09:03 hdl in order to see which databases are created
09:03 hdl in a yaz-client
09:04 hdl iso2709 is to be used on mrc files
09:04 hdl otherwise, it is marcxml iirc
09:06 hdl You may also want to check your zebra-biblios.cfg file in order to see if there has been some edition of that file which may have created the problem
09:06 rangi seems very weird to have no error
09:06 rangi the only time i see no error on rebuild but the search still getting 109 is permission problems
09:07 hdl you could also have a problem on your password file
09:07 magnuse rangi: i checked the relevant dirs and files and they are all owned by the same user
09:07 hdl If you have a password which has two :
09:08 magnuse which passwordfile would that be?
09:08 hdl the one pointed in koha-conf.xml
09:08 magnuse ah
09:09 rangi magnuse: no one has changed anything recently? it just stopped ?
09:10 hdl try to connect with yaz-client and see if you can get some results.
09:10 magnuse i havn't touched this installation in quite a while
09:10 magnuse not sure when the problem started, the client reported it today
09:11 hdl Do you have some automated upgrades ?
09:11 kmkale I have defined a new Notice on Home › Tools › Notices. How do I get this notice sent out by email? It does not appear on Home › Tools › Notice Triggers
09:11 magnuse hdl: nope
09:15 kf kmkale: have you chosen the right module for your new notice?
09:16 kf kmkale: I think circulation is right, it will only show up in the list with the right module selected for it
09:20 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #173: STILL UNSTABLE in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/173/
09:20 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 5917 : Fix for
09:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5917 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Switch Koha to use Template::Toolkit
09:29 kmkale Hey kf, had a sudden visitor.  I have defined the notice in the member module for account expiry
09:30 kmkale Thats why its not showing up in Home › Tools › Notice Triggers. But then how do I get to go out?
09:31 kf hm?
09:31 kf ah
09:31 kf there is a cronjob
09:31 kf I thik
09:31 kf or similar
09:32 kf will write the notice into the message_queue and it will bes ent out with the other notices when cronjob process... something runs
09:32 kmkale
09:33 kmkale It says " - prepare messages to be sent to patrons for overdue items"
09:33 kmkale does it also handle notices in member module?
09:46 magnuse sorry folks the missing search was caused by me messing up up the config a couple weeks ago...
09:46 magnuse rangi++
09:46 magnuse hdl++
09:47 magnuse for taking the time to try and help me out - you guys rule!
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09:51 kf kmkale: which notice do you want to send?
09:52 kf there is no message in koha for account expiry
09:52 kf and no way to trigger that - I am sorry
09:53 kf would need develpment if you want to do something like this
09:53 kf what we have is a message with the login data when a new account is created
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09:55 * kf sighs
09:57 rangi hmm that woul be a good feature
09:57 rangi the expiry one
09:58 rangi my libraries just have a report they run that tells them all the people who are due to expire
09:58 kf yep, I have one of those too
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09:59 kf and there he is :)
09:59 kmkale huh never realized I had got disconnected :(
09:59 kf kmkale: check the logs ;)
09:59 kmkale did
09:59 kmkale so what happens to the notices I create? They just sit there?
10:01 kmkale I have a notice like "members EXP Members Expiry Edit Delete" in Home › Tools › Notices
10:02 pastebot0 "kmkale" at pasted "expiry notice" (7 lines) at
10:03 rangi did you just make that?
10:03 kmkale thats the notice content ^^
10:03 kmkale nope
10:04 matts_away is now known as matts
10:05 kmkale was created by the librarian who is now asking how it can be sent
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10:07 rangi ah well the answer is it cant
10:08 rangi until we endow koha with sentience it cant read peoples minds and know what to do with randomly created notices :-)
10:09 kmkale :)
10:09 kmkale humm so why allow them to create notices which can't be sent?
10:09 rangi well they can send it
10:09 kmkale how?
10:09 rangi if they went to the triggers
10:09 rangi and set it up to send as an overdue notice
10:10 kmkale but in triggers dropdown this notice does not show up. Am I missing something here?
10:10 rangi is it under circulation?
10:11 kmkale no. Its under members..
10:11 kf yes
10:11 rangi that one only shows circulation
10:11 kf and that's your problem - the notices for the triggers are supposed to be overdue notices - they have to be circulation
10:11 kf and it will only check for the due dates of checked out books, not for the expiry date of the patron
10:12 rangi we let people create notices because they can create ones for new accounts (Members), or ones of overdue notices, or ones for advance notices etc
10:12 kmkale humm. Back to the question then. What is done / can be done with notices defined with other modules? such as members?
10:12 kf there are different things that will work nice
10:12 kf like account notices
10:13 kmkale so I need to adapt the account notice to send out this one?>
10:13 kf no
10:13 kf you can't
10:13 kf there is no way to trigger it
10:13 kf for what you want to do - not without development
10:13 kmkale development on the lines of?
10:13 kf overdue notices are sent x days after item is due, account notice are sent out after account creation
10:14 kf each notice is linked to an event
10:14 kf not sure
10:14 kf I think you would need to make a new cronjob
10:14 kmkale a cronjob nightly checking expiry and the n send out the notice?
10:14 kf adding to the existing cronjobs might be difficult and they are for other htings
10:14 kf yep
10:14 kf tell the cronjob to look for a notice with a special code
10:15 kf make a sys pref to turn on/off like account notics
10:15 kf but don't make the cronjob send out the notice
10:15 kf make it go into the message queue
10:15 * kmkale goes off to study
10:15 kf and sent it out with the others - easy to keep track of what was sent that way
10:15 kmkale thanks kf and rangi
10:16 kf we don't do that with the new account notices I think, because of the passwords in there
10:16 rangi we send passwords? are we mental?
10:18 kf rangi: yes, we do
10:19 kf not sure about the second part
10:19 kf you can send a notice to the patron after account creation
10:19 kf it's sent automatically, no way to send it again
10:19 kf i think it gets the passwort before it's encrypted?
10:20 rangi yeah
10:20 rangi i personally hate sending passwords in cleartext via email
10:21 * rangi makes a note to break that feature at some point and replace it with one that sends a one off token
10:21 rangi :)
10:22 kf hehe
10:22 kf I would like that
10:22 kf here is your one time passwort, go to the opac and be forced to change it
10:22 kmkale yeh, the same person also requested usernames and clear text passwoprds of all patrons :(
10:23 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6169: Inventory tool fails when ignoreissued set <[…]b395c0c68312d0d49>
10:23 rangi yep, thats right kf
10:24 rangi and yeah, if we ever store passwords in cleartext, ill resign as RM :)
10:24 kf 18.000!
10:24 * kf cries
10:25 rangi ?
10:25 kf
10:25 kf
10:25 rangi fredericd: can you give me rights to en-NZ
10:26 rangi kf: better than 47,000
10:26 kf hmpf!
10:26 kf only a little better
10:27 kf ... sorry, I am still shocked
10:27 kf I kept it uptodate for all the 3.2.x releases and didn't expect that many
10:27 rangi 55,000 in staff client
10:27 rangi lots of new features in 3.4
10:27 rangi and lots of moving things around = lots of changes
10:27 * kf suddendly doesn't like new features ;)
10:27 fredericd rangi: done
10:28 rangi for 3.6 i think we will try get ppl translating as we go, at least for those that want to, see how it goes
10:28 rangi fredericd: fantastic thanks
10:28 rangi fredericd: ill rename the files when i do the release, but they are fine as 30020000 for now
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10:29 fredericd For 3.6, I'd like to rewrite from scratch the TT parsing machinery...
10:29 jenkins_koha Starting build 174 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #151 3 j 1 h ago)
10:30 rangi works pretty well
10:30 rangi and is only 150 lines
10:31 rangi but yes, rewritting all the rest would be good
10:31 rangi its long and overcomplicated
10:33 rangi and there are lots of parsers for html/js/xml
10:33 rangi i think we are better off using them rather than writing our own
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10:37 conan hi everyone
10:38 conan tcohen: hey! hello there, did you receive my email about suspension modifications?
10:41 rangi fredericd++
10:45 kf fredericd++
10:54 magnuse is there a date for when the translations have to be finished?
10:54 kf hm, around 20th probably
10:54 rangi yeah around then
10:54 kf ah no
10:54 rangi and they dont have to be finished
10:54 kf not about that, but I realised we will still have the annoying tabs messaging and messages in 3.4
10:54 kf and I hoped they would go away
10:55 kf hmpf.
10:55 kf another thing for my 3.4.x/3.6 wish list
10:56 magnuse rangi: yeah, i was thinkng of the date when it's too late to get them into 3.4
10:56 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6162] name missing on reading history in opac <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6162>
10:57 rangi ill probably grab them all from pootle arond the 20th
10:57 rangi of course they can keep getting translated
10:57 rangi after that
10:58 rangi for 3.4.1 .. and for people to download and apply before 3.4.1 if they like
10:58 magnuse nods
11:02 magnuse and the proper way to get write access to pootle is to send an introduction to koha-translate?
11:03 * magnuse is writing an email to the norwegian koha list, trying to inspire people to help with translation...
11:07 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6126] Slip print doesn't work on Webkit based browsers <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6126>
11:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #174: STILL UNSTABLE in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/174/
11:09 jenkins_koha Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 6169: Inventory tool fails when ignoreissued set
11:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6169 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Inventory tool fails when ignoreissued set
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11:14 rangi @later tell tcohen if you can rebase the patch for bug 5166 on new/enh/bug_5166 it will make it into 3.4.0
11:14 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
11:18 rangi fredericd: yeah, i dont think we need the version number in the po files
11:20 rangi ok, time for sleep
11:20 rangi have a good day europe
11:21 rangi tcohen++  # for the patch rebased for tt
11:29 hdl fredericd: how did the update for translation with the sent po files went ?
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11:30 magnuse o/
11:30 druthb o/
11:30 druthb hi, magnuse.  :)
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11:34 hdl anyone : is there a syntax highlighter for tt in vim
11:34 hdl ?
11:42 magnuse hiya druthb
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11:44 jcamins Good morning, #koha
11:44 magnuse good morning jcamins
11:44 hdl hi jcamins
11:45 magnuse hdl i never used it, but there may be something here:[…]er/syntax/tt2.vim
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11:51 hdl magnuse: saw that.
11:51 hdl it depends on vim-perl. Will have to take time for that.
11:55 magnuse ah, keep us posted if you figure out something clever?
11:57 hdl will try
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12:13 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6103] Many MARC21 fields not searched with CCL indexes due to misconfiguration <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6103>
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12:25 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6152] Authority-zebra-indexdefs.xsl should indicate it's automatically generated <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6152>
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12:31 JesseM Morning #Koha
12:31 kf hi JesseM
12:32 JesseM Hi kf !
12:33 hdl hi JesseM
12:33 JesseM hi hdl
12:36 tcohen hi #koha
12:36 jcamins Hi tcohen.
12:36 jcamins tcohen: rangi wanted to remind you to put bug numbers in your patches.
12:37 tcohen jcamins: oops, which one i missed?
12:38 jcamins tcohen: I don't remember.
12:39 jcamins Actually, I don't think rangi said at all.
12:39 tcohen jcamins: ok, perhaps i'm doing it the wrong way
12:39 tcohen could you please look at a patch I sent today and tell if its ok?
12:39 tcohen[…]hment.cgi?id=3891
12:39 jcamins I was going to sign off on it, in fact. :)
12:40 jcamins Oh, I see the problem!
12:40 jcamins If you put the Bug number in square brackets, it disappears when rangi applies it.
12:40 jcamins I'll fix it when I sign off.
12:40 tcohen ok, so I have to ommit the bug number
12:41 tcohen smth like: Bug 6126 - tt - Slip print doesn't work on Webkit based browsers
12:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6126 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Slip print doesn't work on Webkit based browsers
12:41 jcamins Exactly.
12:41 jcamins But I can fix it for you here.
12:41 tcohen (s/bug number/brackets in the bug number/)
12:41 tcohen thanks jcamins, I thought I was doing it right
12:41 jcamins Did you squash the two patches into one?
12:42 tcohen yes
12:42 jcamins Okay, sounds good. :)
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12:43 tcohen i sent two patches, thou
12:43 tcohen one for old_templates, and one for master
12:43 tcohen just in case anyone thinks it should be included in 3.2.7
12:44 jcamins I'm signing off on the TT one.
12:44 jcamins I already signed off on the other.
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12:46 tcohen is there a way to make bugzilla have bug status per branch?
12:46 jcamins All signed off.
12:46 jcamins What do you mean?
12:46 jcamins Like
12:46 tcohen patch for master -> signed-off
12:46 tcohen patch fr rel_3.2 -> needs sign-off
12:46 jcamins Ah. No.
12:47 tcohen now that cherry-picking will be harder maybe we need smething like that
12:47 jcamins And, actually, both could be considered signed off, since the first two patches worked fine for 3.2.
12:48 tcohen I understand, but a busy RM could not read it right
12:48 tcohen anyway, bakc to work!
12:48 jcamins True.
12:48 tcohen thanks jcamins
12:48 jcamins You're welcome.
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13:00 jcamins hdl: around?
13:00 hdl yes
13:01 jcamins I have a question for you about the way you implemented extended patron attributes.
13:02 hdl Have I implemented patron attributes ?
13:02 jcamins Well, not you personally.
13:02 jcamins BibLibre.
13:02 jcamins But I figure you're the BibLibran around at the moment so I'll ask you. ;)
13:03 jcamins This is an easy question. :)
13:03 hdl well it is mainly LL who added that... ;)
13:03 hdl But ok ask your question
13:03 jcamins Commit 0ee0cc18b314d0123d8436a798bb02c5c1448494
13:03 jcamins By Stéphane Delaune. :)
13:04 jcamins Anyway, on your systems is it possible to use the Library and Category dropdowns along with entering a name?
13:04 jcamins For example, if I wanted to find all the patrons with the surname "Smith" at the "Test" library, I should be able to type "smith" in the patron search box and choose "Test" from the library dropdown.
13:05 jcamins What this does on my system is it gives a list of every single patron at the Teset library, *and* every patron whose name matches "smith".
13:05 jcamins I'm wondering if a patch from BibLibre that fixes this was missed.
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13:07 hdl jcamins: I think that it was a quick fix... But taht this would need some more.
13:07 hdl work
13:07 jcamins Hm. That's too bad. The problem is that SQLHelper is... confusing.
13:08 hdl Well I may help.
13:08 hdl I wrote that... and tried to make it so that it can be debugged.
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13:09 hdl DEBUG=1 shows you how the SQL built
13:09 hdl and the passed arguments
13:09 hdl I reckon though that it is not really as user friendly as SQL::Abstract or a true ORM
13:10 jcamins Hm.
13:11 jcamins Actually, patron search is entirely broken with the template change.
13:13 hdl sorry to hear that.
13:13 wizzyrea >.<
13:14 * jcamins too
13:14 hdl In fact, the search is expecting a hash ref or an array ref or a string
13:15 hdl {surname=>"a"}
13:15 hdl will search surname as a
13:17 * chris_n lowers his opinion of FF one notch >:-(
13:17 wizzyrea !!
13:17 wizzyrea it's a rare chris_n sighting!
13:17 * wizzyrea waves
13:18 * chris_n waves in the general direction of kansas and wizzyrea
13:18 wizzyrea how has firefox provoked your ire?
13:18 chris_n trying to keep my nose above the water
13:18 chris_n firefox seems to be getting worse at handling heavy java apps
13:19 oleonard Java?
13:19 wizzyrea hrmph. I tried ff4 a couple of weeks ago and fled wailing back into chrome's loving, fast arms
13:19 chris_n I tend to have multiple gmail tabs open along with several other sites heavy in JS (sorry)
13:19 chris_n and FF obliges me by crashing several times per day :P
13:19 chris_n the "gray" screen of death
13:19 gmcharlt chris_n: yeah, I've had the same experience with FF4
13:20 gmcharlt very disappointing
13:20 * oleonard hasn't upgraded to FF4 yet
13:20 * chris_n is running namoroka
13:20 wizzyrea dont >.>
13:20 jcamins oleonard: I was mistaken about the patron search being broken before the template change.
13:20 jcamins It's doubly-broken now.
13:20 oleonard Super secret double-broken.
13:20 chris_n doubly-broken--
13:20 wizzyrea doubly-broken--
13:22 * chris_n takes a deep breath and slips back into the depths of his bottomless work buffer
13:23 jcamins Unknown column 'surnamecomma0' in 'order clause'
13:23 chris_n ouch
13:23 * wizzyrea gives chris_n a scuba tank
13:23 wizzyrea "take this, it's dangerous to go alone"
13:24 chris_n lol :)
13:24 wizzyrea :D
13:29 magnus_breakfast wizzyrea: not sure i understand the need for both[…]i/Backing_up_Koha and[…]Mysqldump_Library ?
13:29 kf jcamins: ah
13:29 kf that can be fixed easily
13:29 kf actually I had that on the wiki page for template toolkit testing as a bug
13:30 magnus_breakfast famous last words: "that can be fixed easily" ;-)
13:30 jcamins kf: oh, really?
13:30 jcamins Yay!
13:30 jcamins kf++ # for fixing the bug
13:30 oleonard Right up there with "trivial to implement"
13:31 kf ah
13:31 jcamins Why's it crossed out?
13:31 kf kf--
13:31 huginn kf: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
13:31 jcamins It still doesn't work?
13:31 kf for only reporting
13:31 jcamins *.
13:31 kf it was fixed
13:31 jcamins Not in Master.
13:31 kf but I suspect not all things that chris hall fixed are in master now
13:31 jcamins Ah.
13:32 wizzyrea magnus_breakfast: my reason is that I didn't want to delete your page, but it wasn't clear in the mysqldump page that *this is how you back up koha*
13:32 wizzyrea I ran out of time to make the content reflect that change yesterday
13:33 wizzyrea because there was a conspicuously missing gap in the howtos (and it's a commonly asked question) "how do I back this thing up"
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13:35 magnuse good point
13:36 magnuse i'll make a redirect from Mysqldump... to that new page
13:37 kf jcamins:[…]04bbf03e3341850be
13:37 magnuse sadly, i can't remove the categories from the old page, since the category plugin is messed up
13:38 wizzyrea oh hrmph.
13:39 wizzyrea I suppose we could delete one or the other and rename if it is bothersome. I like the idea of a mysqldump library, they could be distinct if necessary
13:40 jcamins kf: any idea why that wasn't merged?
13:42 kf we will have to ask rangi abou it
13:46 kmkale kf bug 6173
13:46 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6173 enhancement, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, Cronjob to send account expiry notices
13:48 kf see it - very cool! :)
13:48 kmkale not so cool. Just a hack
13:48 kf but a fast hack
13:49 kf does it work for your library?
13:49 kmkale yup
13:50 jcamins kf: how did you find that patch?
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13:58 kf I knew that I had tested using the template_test branch from the catalyst repo
13:58 kf so i just browsed around a little
13:58 jcamins Ah.
14:00 hdl jcamins: was the search broken before the template change ?
14:05 magnuse wizzyrea: i made Mysqldump Library redirect to Backing up Koha, for now. we can make them distinct if and when we have the content for it
14:05 wizzyrea Yay! Your wiki skills far outpace mine, sir. :)
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14:08 conan I just did a fresh install from master and stomped into bug 5893, which is marked resolved. Is that ok?
14:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5893 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, julian.maurice, RESOLVED FIXED, Duplicate entry 'AuthoritiesLog' in sysprefs.sql
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14:09 jcamins hdl: if you choose a library or category from the dropdowns, you were getting all results from that library or category, no matter what search you specified.
14:11 magnuse wizzyrea: it's as simple as: #REDIRECT [[Name of the other page]]
14:11 kf conan: hm, probably not
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14:11 kf conan: have you installed with english sample files?
14:12 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6170] 'More options' in advanced search broken <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6170>
14:12 conan kf: yes, this is a test install, so I added all the samples I could grab
14:13 conan kf: however I might be making a git-use mistake here, if the bug shows as solved, does it mean it's already in master branch?
14:14 kf it should
14:15 kf hm.
14:15 conan then somehow the bug reapeared, should I reopen the bug? or do we check it on another fresh install somewhere else?
14:16 conan *reappeared
14:16 kf I have checked the files
14:17 kf are you sure you are on head?
14:17 kf hm master I mean
14:18 conan let me re-check
14:20 conan kf: I did this: git checkout -b conan.master master
14:21 kf hm
14:21 kmkale bye all. good night
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14:21 kf hm. w
14:21 conan and now I'm in conan.master
14:21 kf what's the last commit git log does show you?
14:21 conan d057f6574356bb0f5ecf5a4aaa92455a87c99395
14:23 kf hm, commit message?
14:23 jcamins That's almost a month old.
14:23 kf jcamins: how did you find out? :)
14:23 conan Bug 5880 : C4/ : adding two functions GetAutorisedValueByCode and GetKohaImageurlFromAuthorisedValues
14:23 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5880 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, C4/ : adding two functions GetAutorisedValueByCode and GetKohaImageurlFromAuthorisedValues
14:24 conan jcamins: yup, that's the strange thing
14:24 jcamins git log ${COMMITID}..kc/master
14:24 kf thx :)
14:24 jcamins conan: you need to update your repository. git pull
14:25 wizzyrea speaking of updating
14:25 wizzyrea what's the best way to do it
14:25 conan jcamins: I did it this morning...
14:25 conan oh wait...
14:25 wizzyrea (so I can explicitly document that in the git info)
14:26 conan jcamins: if I pull when standing on another branch, it pulls everything anyway, right?
14:28 jcamins conan: only if you're tracking origin/master
14:28 conan I guess no:
14:28 conan $ git checkout master
14:28 conan Switched to branch 'master'
14:28 conan Your branch is behind 'origin/master' by 624 commits, and can be fast-forwarded
14:28 conan I'm a moron, sorry
14:28 wizzyrea nah, git's confusing :)
14:29 oleonard confusingly awesome.
14:29 wizzyrea that too
14:29 oleonard awesomely confusing.
14:29 wizzyrea and that
14:29 wizzyrea oleonard: your re-done search to hold? Big hit.
14:29 wizzyrea :)
14:29 oleonard Yay!
14:30 oleonard Still problems with the timeout?
14:30 wizzyrea not that I'm aware of
14:30 wizzyrea we went live on koha and the number of weird issues has gone WAY down.
14:31 wizzyrea there are still occasional bugs and gotchas but a lot fewer than before.
14:31 kf :)
14:32 conan jcamins: is this the line: git checkout -b conan.master origin/master
14:32 conan ?
14:32 conan to track master I mean
14:35 jcamins conan: yep.
14:35 fredericd hdl: French .po files loaded on community site are the last ones.
14:35 jcamins What I usually do is have every branch directly track master.
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14:36 hdl fredericd: what would be the best practise for in perl script strings translatability ?
14:37 wizzyrea ... how did I nver see the template-readme
14:37 wizzyrea before now
14:37 clrh_ I have a question about translation in koha: template is ok but I would like to translation strings into perl module (logs, mails content or others) and for the moment I have no idea to do it - did you ever think about it? fredericd or tcohen maybe?
14:37 jcamins_ Template readme?
14:37 wizzyrea templates.readme in koha-tmpl
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14:37 hdl not in templates.
14:37 hdl In perl scripts.
14:38 hdl for instance, in C4::Accounts
14:38 conan jcamins: you mean for other versions? like this?: git checkout -b conan.master v3.02.06/master
14:38 oleonard wizzyrea: The first thing I see is "CVS," which means it's a wee bit out of date ;)
14:38 wizzyrea even so, I never noticed it before
14:38 hdl and in sql files... And in a
14:38 hdl and so on.
14:38 jcamins_ conan: no, I mean git checkout -b bug_whatever kc/master
14:38 jcamins_ Rather than git checkout -b conan.master kc/master
14:39 jcamins_ git checkout -b bug_whatever conan.master
14:40 kf hdl: you want to have strings for transtlation in the perl scrips?
14:40 hdl fredericd: 3.4 for french is talking TMPL_VAR... Looks odd.
14:40 kf this sounds not good to me
14:40 conan jcamins_: thanks
14:40 hdl kf I don't want to.
14:40 hdl I am asking for best practises.
14:40 kf ah
14:40 fredericd hdl: For the middle term, a string 'extracter' per file type would be the solution...
14:40 hdl What are the best tools.
14:41 hdl And what should we do with perl script which has some strings to translate embedded.
14:41 kf get them into the templates I think
14:41 clrh_ kf example: mail content
14:41 kf make it a notice in the notices system would be best
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14:42 kf talking about the address change thing
14:42 kf ?
14:42 kf because that is really ugly
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14:43 kf clrh_: I would love to see every notice in the notices system and using message_queue table, so you can make changes to the text and track what was sent
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14:43 fredericd from my reccent reading on the subject, I've a 'kind' of consensus on using Locale::TextDomain module
14:43 fredericd (for Perl script)
14:46 kf clrh_: hope that makes sense :)
14:47 adnc did you know this:[…]koha/ this is the turkish parliament using koha
14:55 clrh_ thanks fredericd kf
14:57 jcamins_ Does DelBiblio work?
14:57 jcamins_ Or is it deprecated in favor of something else?
14:57 hdl It should.
14:57 rhcl interesting link
15:00 hdl adnc: looks pretty much like[…]koha/
15:00 adnc hdl, thats the same, they belong together
15:00 oleonard tumer's work?
15:00 adnc interesting to see that the government is using koha for the parliament-library
15:01 hdl Yes.
15:01 hdl So that used to be koha
15:01 adnc used to be?
15:01 adnc they have  note on the bottom saying it is based on koha
15:02 hdl tumer did so much work on his own that it is now koha+++
15:02 hdl Yes it IS koha based.
15:02 hdl but as a film is novel based.
15:03 wizzyrea hdl: ++ in what ways?
15:03 wizzyrea (just curious
15:03 hdl dom configuration for biblios
15:03 hdl for instance.
15:03 wizzyrea oo
15:03 jcamins_ !!
15:03 hdl using a custom schema for biblios
15:04 hdl too
15:04 wizzyrea heavy styling changes I can see
15:04 wizzyrea but I"m not sure I like it all that well really
15:04 hdl well, not so much.
15:04 hdl it was based on npl theme.
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15:05 oleonard pre-3.0
15:05 wizzyrea mhm
15:05 hdl actually it is just another fork of koha.
15:05 wizzyrea JAFK :)
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15:05 wizzyrea JAFoK?
15:05 hdl but the work of tumer was really impressive in the background.
15:06 * jcamins_ would love to see the DOM biblio indexing.
15:06 hdl the support of DOM and of a schema for biblios (if ever achieved)...
15:07 hdl is really a great change.
15:07 wizzyrea so... wasp nest... why has it not been contributed to koha?
15:07 rk morning everyone. is this a place where a newb can ask a quick question?
15:07 jcamins_ The RM at the time refused it.
15:08 kf rk: sure
15:08 hdl it was developped in tortoise on windows.
15:08 hdl And he could not send patches.
15:09 hdl So reconciling two diverging branches is heavy PITA.
15:09 wizzyrea *nod*
15:09 rk okay. i'm trying to figure out where to change my mailto options so email goes to my account instead of root when cron jobs are done
15:09 jcamins_ rk: you add a in your crontab.
15:09 hdl MAILTO= in cronjobs ;)
15:09 kf ok, time to leave :)
15:10 kf will be back later!
15:10 rk thanks, that's what I thought but without access to root myself I have to convey this info to our IT dept.
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15:14 adnc has someone got  a serveradress for z39.50 in germany with  a large catalog?
15:16 wizzyrea oh bummer you just missed kf
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15:21 hdl here you may find what you need.
15:23 adnc hdl, thank you
15:30 adnc hdl, is there anything wrong with this entry[…]r%3A210%2FINNOPAC
15:30 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6174] Ordering fails <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6174>
15:32 hdl adnc: why are you asking ?
15:32 adnc hdl, it doesn deliver any entries
15:33 hdl you should try with yaz-client.
15:33 adnc hdl, yes but I don't know how to use it
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15:35 hdl[…]rvices-yaz-client
15:41 adnc hdl, how can I select a database with yaz-client?
15:41 adnc [236] Access to specified database denied -- v2 addinfo 'Access to specified database denied'
15:41 adnc what i get when i search for nything
15:41 hdl yaz-client http://test:port/database
15:41 hdl yaz-client tcp://test:port/database
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15:45 adnc [114] Unsupported Use attribute -- v2 addinfo 'Unsupported use attribute'
15:47 hdl the query you did is invalid
15:47 hdl f @attr 1=4 mytitle
15:47 hdl f @attr 1=7 myauthor
15:48 adnc hdl and the results?
15:48 hdl show
15:49 adnc ohhh that works great
15:49 adnc now on koha aswel
15:49 adnc hdl, thanks
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15:59 oleonard So, I followed rangi's instructions for converting my in-progress tmpl branch to a t:t one, but what's next?
16:00 oleonard I've got a branch now that has both sets of templates
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16:05 oleonard remove koha-tmpl and move koha-tt into its place, rebase origin?
16:11 wizzyrea oleonard: I think that's right
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16:12 wizzyrea remove/rename koha-tmpl and rename koha-tt into it's place
16:12 wizzyrea cait, do you have advice for oleonard re: how to get his TT templates into his working branch?
16:14 cait huh?
16:15 cait what does he want to do?
16:15 wizzyrea he's got a branch that has both sets of templates, what is the next step? remove koha-tmpl and move koha-tt into its place, rebase origin?
16:16 cait hm I just did a git pull
16:16 cait and it just worked
16:16 cait only had to install this new cpan module
16:16 cait and if he wants to convert old to new - I think rangi sent a mail how to do that
16:16 oleonard If I rebase origin git tries to replay my changes starting from before the TT conversion and of course I get a conflict
16:17 cait hm
16:18 jcamins oleonard: I think you cherry-pick it onto a new branch.
16:18 oleonard I followed the instructions: 1. check out new branch based on that particular commit
16:18 oleonard 2) cherry pick my changes into that branch
16:19 oleonard 3) run the conversion script
16:19 jcamins Right, I think the rest of the procedure (if I understand correctly) is:
16:19 jcamins 4) check out your bugfix branch
16:19 jcamins 5) cherry-pick the new commit onto the bugfix branch
16:19 jcamins 6) submit
16:20 oleonard What is the "new commit" in step 5?
16:21 jcamins The amended commit from step 3.
16:21 oleonard I'll try that
16:22 cait jcamins++
16:26 jcamins cait: remind me how to install a translation?
16:26 adnc i did an update and now i have a software error:
16:26 adnc Can't locate in @INC (@INC contains: /home/koha/kohaclone /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/ line 32.
16:27 adnc BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/ line 32.
16:27 adnc is there anything I need to consider?
16:27 cait yep
16:28 cait new module :)
16:28 hdl aptitude install templatetoolkit-perl
16:28 cait andc: you updated to the last dev version - it's unstable at the moment, because of a bigger change
16:28 oleonard jcamins: Same problem. When I try to rebase it tries to replay my commits from before the TT conversion
16:28 cait but what hdl said
16:29 adnc hdl, cait thank you. I would like to install it on my vserver which is running debian, but I do not want to have the opac that open. is it possible to secure it?
16:30 cait hm, I think there is an option for that in the new version
16:31 cait I don't have a working koha on this computer - check the sys prefs
16:33 jcamins oleonard: cherry-picking rebases?
16:34 cait adnc: irgendwas mit priv* denke ich
16:34 adnc cait, danke
16:34 oleonard jcamins: Hunh?
16:35 adnc cait, could it be OpacPublic?
16:35 cait yes
16:35 cait habs noch nicht ausprobiert - ist ganz neu
16:39 adnc cait, thanks that works.
16:39 cait cool
16:40 adnc I just see that when i search in opac for a book with the search string "a" it finds all the books, but when i search for a authors surname or name i get an "An Error has Occurred Error 404"
16:41 cait hm
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16:41 cait you search for the other using another search option?
16:43 cait author...
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16:59 adnc cait, when i use the other search options the same happens
17:01 adnc does someone know if the koha latest stable release has opac authentication/restrictions?
17:06 cait afaik it's only in 3.4
17:07 adnc is 3.4 stable?
17:08 cait no
17:09 cait the new release will happen soon
17:09 adnc and where can I than find debian packages for
17:09 adnc is koha packaging it?
17:09 cait
17:09 adnc ahh
17:10 adnc but i see that the packages are all for squeeze
17:16 cait sorry, I have no experience with the packages
17:16 cait eythian is the package expert
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18:41 oleonard Grrr...
18:41 cait cookie?
18:43 gmcharlt adnc: correct, Koha's packaging started with squeeze
18:44 oleonard Still trying to figure out this template conversion process
18:44 oleonard I keep getting to the end and finding something didn't make it through
18:44 gmcharlt adnc: forcing it to lenny is possible, but only if you can live with a franken-Debian
18:48 adnc gmcharlt, I think it is better for me to wait till 3.4 is out. I'm just upgrading my lenny to squeeze
18:48 adnc since I would need restrictions to opac
18:53 adnc I get an "An Error has Occurred
18:53 adnc Error 404" whenever I search for  an author
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19:09 wizzyrea wow, offline circ is pretty broken :(
19:09 wizzyrea will be filing lots of bugs on that one
19:10 * oleonard thinks he finally got his jqueryUI branch converted to TT correctly
19:10 wizzyrea for one: returns processed by the koc uploader don't trigger holds (on the bright side, if we fix that UI problem of batch returns then we'll have solved the problem of batch returns :P)
19:11 wizzyrea if an item is checked out to patron 1 and issued to patron 2 with the offline circ, nothing happens
19:12 wizzyrea if an item is renewed, it works, but all subsequent transactions fail
19:12 * wizzyrea congratulates oleonard
19:12 wizzyrea no small feat!
19:17 rhcl wizzyrea: what probs are you seeing w/ offline circ? We haven't had many probs w/ it.
19:17 wizzyrea ^^
19:17 wizzyrea see above
19:18 rhcl oh
19:19 wizzyrea now, this is with the october version of offline circ
19:19 wizzyrea not the one with cakephp
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19:21 wizzyrea in all cases the right data exists in the file... it appears to be in the processing
19:21 wizzyrea where the problem is
19:25 rhcl we're talking about all this here
19:25 wizzyrea but you haven't seen any of those things?
19:25 rhcl well,
19:26 rhcl OK, so lets say a patron at one of our nursing homes (the outreach is where we use offline circ)...
19:27 rhcl has a book checked out, and a patron places a hold on that book. So the hold is on it, right? And you are saying when ...
19:27 rhcl you upload your off-line circ records it doesn't raise a flag when it sees the hold?
19:28 rangi morning
19:28 cait good morning rangi
19:28 mtj heya folks
19:29 rangi oleonard: tcohen and marcelr have done the changing patches for tt
19:29 rangi myabe drop a mail to the devel list asking how they did it
19:30 wizzyrea rhcl correct
19:31 rangi I think there a few ways, what I've been doing is splitting the patch into 2 one that is the tmpl changes the other everything else
19:31 oleonard rangi: The problem I ran into was that after following your instructions I was in a branch with koha-tmpl and koha-tt. koha-tmpl still had the updated css/js/img files
19:31 wizzyrea hey mtj
19:31 oleonard I had to be sure to copy the updated css/js/img files into koha-tt before replacing koha-tmpl with koha-tt
19:32 rangi ahh yeah sorry
19:32 rangi -c
19:32 rangi with the convert script
19:32 rangi copies those files
19:32 mtj heya wiz
19:32 wizzyrea rhcl: that's not really the one that I'm most concerned about
19:33 rangi you might wanna reply to my mail saying if you have js/css etc changes
19:33 rangi use -c
19:33 oleonard I'll do that
19:33 rangi my bad sorry
19:33 wizzyrea I'm more concerned about renewal operations breaking subsequent issues
19:33 wizzyrea (offline circ)
19:35 oleonard rangi: ./installer/  -c --koharoot /path/to/the/root ?
19:35 rangi thats it
19:36 rhcl wizzyrea: Here's what we we do...
19:36 rangi -f for a single file
19:36 rhcl We have an outreach program to nursing homes. They may have books checked out that a patron has subsequently put on hold.
19:36 rangi chris.hall++
19:36 wizzyrea you return them using the offline circ?
19:36 rhcl Right now out TS manager, before the outreach guy leaves for his runs, pulls up the checkout record for each nursing home (each place has a unique card),
19:36 rhcl ...the TS manager...
19:37 oleonard rangi: Here's my other question. After completing that process I can't do 'git rebase origin' because it want to replay my changes from before the TT conversion
19:37 rhcl and looks to see if there are any holds in that home's checked out items, and if so the guy sets that item aside so he can return it separately from the others
19:37 rhcl This sounds like waaay too much work to me--there's gotta be something better.
19:37 wizzyrea yea, it would be nice to be able to do batch returns at all that compensate for holds
19:37 oleonard rangi: I ended up making a copy of the koha-tmpl folder and pasting it into a new branch
19:37 rangi oleonard: yes you do not want to rebase
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19:38 wizzyrea (the patron circ screen, the checkboxes, if you return all there it's the same problem)
19:38 wizzyrea (no holds are triggered)
19:38 rhcl But we don't want to have it flagged at the time we do the batch upload of the off-line transactions
19:38 rhcl >they say, anyway<
19:38 rhcl They just want to upload and be done with it
19:38 wizzyrea mhm
19:39 rhcl but still, to me it seems like there should be a better work flow
19:39 * wizzyrea also wants to upload and be done with it
19:39 wizzyrea my solution to that particular problem
19:39 rangi it should check holds every time it sees a book
19:39 wizzyrea is to use offline circ only for issues
19:39 wizzyrea but ideally
19:39 wizzyrea what rangi said
19:39 wizzyrea is the optimum solutions
19:39 rhcl rangi: but it won't know in offline, it would only know at checkin (upload)
19:39 wizzyrea with no s. Happy fingers to day
19:40 wizzyrea right, when you upload the file it should tell you
19:40 wizzyrea at the end of processing
19:40 rangi yes
19:40 wizzyrea XXX item has a hold on it and requires attention!
19:40 rangi wizzyrea: is there a bug reported for return all not triggering holds?
19:41 wizzyrea I think so yes, let me look
19:41 rangi make it critical
19:41 wizzyrea[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3345
19:41 huginn Bug 3345: normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Return All items on patron detail does not initiate transfer of holds
19:41 wizzyrea you're the boss
19:41 rangi mark it for 3.4
19:41 rangi and well aim for 3.4.1
19:41 wizzyrea done and done
19:42 rangi ta
19:42 oleonard I wonder if that is on sekjal's radar for the holds overhaul
19:42 rangi it will be now
19:43 wizzyrea that one has been broken for so long. We usually just hide that column, heh.
19:43 cait hm, probably should do that too
19:44 * cait makes a mental note
19:44 cait ok, switching laptops to do some testing - will be back
19:44 rangi oleonard: holds rewrite is for 3.6
19:45 rangi but we can fix that bug before then
19:45 rangi for the 3.4 cycle
19:45 wizzyrea but we might need oleonard's crack sense of ui design for it
19:45 rangi yeah ui is the trick
19:45 rangi u know the funky way prefs do it?
19:46 gmcharlt cheap way of doing (really cheap) would be to have it loudly refuse to check in any items that fill hold requests
19:46 rangi with the messages thingy at the bottom?
19:46 rangi yep
19:46 gmcharlt thereby signalling to the librarian to check them in individually
19:46 wizzyrea ooo that would be cool (the ajax-y way)
19:46 * cait likes the messaging thing at the bottom idea
19:46 wizzyrea I'm thinking very hard about pianohacker right now....
19:47 wizzyrea in an attempt to summon him with the power of my mind
19:47 rangi but yeah first step, dont let them be returned
19:47 rangi next step do something fancier :)
19:48 cait fix the evil bugs!
19:48 wizzyrea that one
19:48 wizzyrea is pretty evil.
19:48 wizzyrea it's a silent fail too, *no* indication that you need to do something
19:48 wizzyrea even when it does something, like put an item in transit!
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19:49 rangi yeah gmcharlt's solution would be fast and would make it a lot better right away
19:49 wizzyrea mhm
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19:50 gmcharlt and (with a slight thawing of the string freeze) is not impossible for 3.4.0
19:51 oleonard Come to think of it, we already block the "on hold" checkouts from having a "renew" checkbox. We could easily do the same in the template for the "check in" checkbox.
19:51 gmcharlt oleonard++ # although the forehead I slapped doesn't thank you
19:52 oleonard Of course it's a little obscure from the point of view of the librarian understanding why it is blocked
19:52 gmcharlt but wouldn't take more than a bit of text to explain, at least for 3.4.0
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19:52 wizzyrea oleonard
19:52 wizzyrea that is such a good idea
19:53 wizzyrea replace the checkbox with "on hold"
19:53 wizzyrea just like renewal
19:53 wizzyrea force them to scan it
19:54 hdl if you could checkout circulation stuff, it is already in the patches we proposed.
19:54 rhcl when we do off-line check checkouts we need the transactioins to appear at the top and age downward....
19:55 rhcl right now each new transaction goes to the bottom of the list, and when we have 100 or so the checkerouter has
19:55 wizzyrea well that's not how the file is configured, and I'm assuming it processes from top to bottom
19:55 rhcl to scroll down to the bottom of the list to visually confirm the checkout was correct
19:55 wizzyrea are you using the version of offline circ that uses cakephp?
19:56 rhcl actually, for both checkouts and checking
19:56 rhcl checkins
19:56 wizzyrea or the new one that doesn't have that dependency
19:56 wizzyrea the one I was looking at was really readable
19:56 wizzyrea easy to use
19:56 rhcl 1.2
19:57 wizzyrea hm yea that's the one I was looking at
19:57 wizzyrea but i'd be really curious to see if yours fails with the renewals
19:57 wizzyrea because I had probably 2 issues, then a renewal, then a few more issues
19:57 wizzyrea and the few more issues were not processed
19:58 wizzyrea so you got the prior to the renewal issues, and the renewal
19:58 wizzyrea but everything after that - gone
19:58 rhcl so at upload time is where are are having problems? I don't think we have any probs with that, our uploads seem to work fine
19:58 wizzyrea no, at processing time
19:58 wizzyrea you upload -> then process
19:58 wizzyrea there's a button for each
19:59 wizzyrea processing gives you a list of actions that were taken
19:59 wizzyrea in my testing it stopped after renewals
19:59 wizzyrea even if you had 2 renewals in a row, it would do both and then nothing after
19:59 rhcl ok, ours does the upload OK, and sometimes it gets stuck on the processing, and appears to stop, but everything does get loaded into the Koha db
20:00 wizzyrea no, in my testing it says "completed"
20:00 rhcl it's supposed to generate a list after processing, but sometimes if we glitch it doesn't finish and generate that list
20:00 wizzyrea heh
20:00 rhcl as I said, however, everything does make it into the db
20:00 wizzyrea I bet your glitch is a renewal
20:00 rhcl yes
20:01 wizzyrea well then we need to fix the effin reporting, because it's VERY misleading
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20:01 cait back
20:02 rhcl you missed all the good stuff cait
20:02 cait oh, I missed the cookies?
20:02 rhcl we ate 'em all
20:02 cait oh noes
20:05 rangi gmcharlt/oleonard: id accept that patch for 3.4.0 if you get it to me by wednesday next week
20:05 rangi (signed off and tested)
20:06 oleonard I can take a look at the template tomorrow
20:06 rangi woo hoo!
20:06 cait oleonard++
20:06 cait great idea :)
20:06 cait going to look at the patches colin send for adv search now
20:06 rangi yay
20:07 rangi his stuff pretty much always works, so im pretty hopeful it will be an easy sign off :)
20:07 cait I hope so too :)
20:07 rangi ohh koha in Tijuana
20:08 rangi running 3.2.6
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20:08 rangi running_official_koha++
20:08 rangi hehe
20:08 rangi[…]
20:08 rangi gmcharlt: there you go, theres my new default test search string
20:08 rangi for your blog
20:09 gmcharlt heh
20:09 rangi heya druthb
20:09 druthb hi, rangi.
20:10 rangi on the road again?
20:10 cait druthb: they ate all the cookies :(
20:10 druthb at the hotel lobby; I head home tomorrow.
20:10 rangi ahhh
20:11 wizzyrea ok, rhcl
20:11 wizzyrea I saw your glitchy behavior once
20:11 wizzyrea but the 2nd time I tested it
20:11 wizzyrea it did the thing where it didn't process after the renewals again
20:12 wizzyrea and definitely, if you try to issue an item that is on issue to another patron, it goes freak nasty and doesn't do anything.
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20:26 cait ah, now I missed oleonard
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20:35 wizzyrea whoa wait
20:35 wizzyrea did the french really just pass a law that requires passwords to be kept in cleartext?
20:35 druthb That, and outlawing burqas.
20:36 wizzyrea ...
20:37 rangi yep
20:38 rangi what is unclear is if it applies to libraries
20:38 cait jcamins: ?
20:39 jcamins_away What?
20:39 cait ah
20:39 cait only wanted to tell you that rangi fixed the comma problem in patron search :)
20:39 jcamins_away Ah, yes, I saw, thanks.
20:39 rangi well chris hall did
20:39 rangi i just pushed it
20:39 cait chris.hall++
20:40 cait hm, possible that colin's patches for bug 6170 fix bug 5099 too?
20:40 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6170 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED, 'More options' in advanced search broken
20:40 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5099 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Avanced Search page unavailable when OpacGroupResults is used
20:40 rangi yes
20:40 rangi the first patch fixes 5099
20:40 rangi the second one fixes the more options
20:41 rangi soon as they are signed off ill push them
20:41 cait sending now :)
20:41 cait it doesn't fix the layout problem
20:41 cait but the functionality looks good
20:42 cait done
20:42 bg @wunder 93109
20:43 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 19.1�C (1:43 PM PDT on April 12, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Steady).
20:43 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_5917' into kcmaster <[…]cd47772c672bbd4a5> / comma fix <[…]ba3f83ecca1a993d2>
20:44 jenkins_koha Starting build 175 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #151 3 j 11 h ago)
20:48 cait why is jenkins unhappy?
20:49 rangi you can see why here
20:49 rangi test for templates failing, cos they arent tmpl anymore
20:49 rangi ill fix that when i get time
20:50 rangi oh now its still memebrs
20:50 rangi members even
20:50 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Build/testReport/
20:58 cait hm
20:59 cait does it show the test too? or only the number for the test?
21:00 cait hm 4959 signed off?
21:00 cait bug 4959
21:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4959 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---,, ASSIGNED, Language inconsistencies on basket groups; skip confirmation when closing basket.
21:01 rangi cait: you can look at the console output to see the test ill try to fix it later today
21:01 cait there is a sign-off on the list from Colin - I will change bugzilla
21:01 rangi thank you
21:02 cait console output?
21:02 rangi link on the left
21:02 rangi on jenkins
21:02 cait sorry, jenkins forces me to look at a German interface... and no language chooser
21:02 rangi ahh
21:02 rangi its probably called
21:02 cait almost tempted to give it bad karma for that
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21:02 rangi Achtung! Konsole! Schnell!
21:02 cait found it :)
21:03 cait hehe
21:03 cait lol
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21:06 cait rangi: about 4959 - it seems the database update is missing - only adds the syspref to the pref file
21:06 rangi ah, that would do it
21:06 rangi or not :)
21:06 rangi can you note that please
21:07 cait I did, change bug status?
21:08 rangi yup
21:08 rangi failed qa
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21:09 cait done
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21:09 rangi ta
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21:11 cait hi bywater
21:11 cait ?
21:11 bywater Hey cait (it's just brendan on my iPad
21:11 cait ah :)
21:11 bywater Trying a different connection
21:12 cait rangi: last one for today - is there a way I could test bug 5791?
21:12 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5791 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED, Robust handling of deleted biblios/authorities
21:13 cait still using the old templates
21:13 cait tomas rebased it but I was travelling back from marseille and missed it
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21:15 rangi you can test that if you checkout the tag (i forget its name, it was in the mail i sent to koha-devel)
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21:16 cait ok
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21:22 cait html_template_pro :)
21:23 rangi there we go ;)
21:23 jcamins_away Is there a way to limit the number of suggestions a patron can make?
21:23 jcamins_away That seems very familiar, but I can't find a syspref for it.
21:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #175: STILL UNSTABLE in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/175/
21:24 jenkins_koha Christopher Hall: comma fix
21:25 cait jcamins: no
21:26 jcamins_away cait: thanks.
21:26 cait sorry to have to say no
21:41 jcamins_away I think it's time to call it a night.
21:41 jcamins_away Good night, #koha.
21:41 cait same here
21:41 cait good night all :)
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22:21 rangi this is very cool!
22:21 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]
22:21 rangi
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23:07 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6170: restore more options to staff adv search <[…]a2c9942fe511a87b3> / Bug 6170 restore more options to advanced search <[…]5c8d98ce777d51372> / Bug 6170: Do not prematurely group results <[…];a=commitdiff;h=8
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23:39 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #176: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/176/
23:39 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 6170: Do not prematurely group results
23:39 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 6170 restore more options to advanced search
23:39 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 6170: restore more options to staff adv search
23:39 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6170 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, ASSIGNED, 'More options' in advanced search broken
23:44 jenkins_koha Starting build 177 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #151 3 j 14 h ago)
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23:47 rangi hi glernil
23:48 glernil good day!
23:49 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5067 Add a cleanisbn param to <[…]598d5f3cc1f0f55da>
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