IRC log for #koha, 2011-03-23

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00:12 rangi heya BobB_ and eythian_
00:13 eythian_ hi
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00:13 BobB_ Hi Chris, good morning (though already afternoon for you)
00:14 rangi yeah already is right
00:14 rangi this day is flying by
00:14 BobB_ Everything takes too long to do, eh.
00:14 BobB_ At least, longer than I plan for.
00:15 rangi yeah
00:15 rangi seems that way
00:16 rangi hows training going eythian_ last day?
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01:41 eythian_ rangi: yup, just about to wrap up
01:41 rangi sweet
01:41 rangi all went well?
01:44 rangi gmcharlt: about?
01:44 rangi or anyone
01:44 rangi where in a marc21 record
01:44 rangi would you store license information .. not of the record, but of the resource it describes?
01:44 jcamins rangi: one moment.
01:44 rangi thanks
01:44 jcamins I always get that confused.
01:45 jcamins @marc 540
01:45 huginn jcamins: Terms governing the use of the described materials (e.g., copyrights, film rights, trade rights) after access has been provided. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,d,u,3,5,6,8]
01:45 jcamins @marc 542
01:45 huginn jcamins: unknown tag 542
01:45 jcamins Whoops.
01:45 jcamins Another one missing.
01:45 rangi 540 looks good
01:45 jcamins See also:
01:45 jcamins @marc 524
01:45 huginn jcamins: The format of the citation of the described materials that is preferred by the custodian. (Repeatable) [a,2,3,6,8]
01:46 rangi what does that even mean?
01:46 jcamins Usually used by archives.
01:46 rangi ahh right
01:46 rangi i think the former in that case, these are materials that have been provided to the library under a CC license
01:47 eythian_ rangi: yeah, I think so
01:47 rangi eythian_: excellent
01:47 jcamins If it's CC, you need both.
01:47 jcamins Well, CC with attribution.
01:47 rangi ah right
01:48 rangi ta
01:49 jcamins Glad to be of help. And avoiding my midterm is a plus, too. ;)
02:05 rangi :)
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03:13 ronh3 Had a quick question I'm hoping someone might have some insight to.  I've managed to successfully install koha and import my library's current catalog to it.  I'm now experimenting and attempting to print labels for books.  When attempting to create a new batch, I'm unable to search by date added (can't select the calendar, and when typing in the date it just returns a blank search screen).  Further,  no checkmarks show up after performing a searc
03:13 ronh3 h by say, title.
03:14 rangi ahh ive never used the labels functions im afraid
03:15 ronh3 Do you print barcodes another way?  Or bother with printing them at all?
03:17 * rangi is a developer so doesnt do that, but the libraries i support all buy them preprinted
03:18 jcamins ronh3: I vaguelly recall seeing a bug about date pickers in the labels module.
03:18 jcamins What version of Koha?
03:19 jcamins And, how did you install it?
03:21 * jcamins tries to avoid reading the sentence he just wrote.
03:21 jcamins s/.*/[something coherent]
03:23 ronh3 Koha, installed from debian packages
03:23 ronh3 using apt-get, and since 3.2 is the latest version...suppose I'm a few behind, heh.
03:23 jcamins ronh3: no, you're not behind.
03:23 jcamins That's 3.2.5.
03:23 jcamins I think it's fixed in 3.2.6.
03:24 jcamins To be released tomorrow, I think.
03:24 jcamins Wait.
03:24 jcamins Yesterday.
03:24 rangi which only came out yesterday
03:24 ronh3 also not using zebra
03:24 jcamins ronh3: you should use Zebra.
03:24 rangi oh, not using zebra, thats crazy talk :)
03:24 jcamins
03:24 jcamins Last line in the "Highlights" section.
03:24 rangi new packages for 3.2.6 will be out shortly, id wait for that and apt-get upgrade
03:25 jcamins rangi: oh, there aren't packages?
03:25 ronh3 Okay.
03:25 rangi and yeah, the packages are running zebra for you
03:25 rangi jcamins: robin is in the solomon islands
03:25 ronh3 Oh, so the zebra set up is already done?
03:25 rangi ronh3: yup
03:25 ronh3 Ahh.
03:25 ronh3 Well heck.
03:25 jcamins rangi: ah.
03:25 ronh3 Good thing this is just my test server before rolling out the real thing then.  Definitely will use zebra.
03:27 * jcamins concludes he's not going to be writing any more on the Russian construction of geographical identity tonight.
03:27 jcamins Good night, #koha
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03:29 ronh3 Thanks very much for the help folks, I really appreciate it.
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03:39 AmitG hi all
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03:56 kmkale Namaskar #koha
04:04 AmitG hello kmkale
04:04 AmitG Namaskar
04:08 kmkale namaskar AmitG
04:08 kmkale :)
04:10 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5931 Paging and sorting saved reports table <[…]42e168621c5973f09>
04:15 jenkins_koha Starting build 69 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
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04:23 * rangi clocks in from the bus
04:26 * kmkale wonders if rangi ever clocks out
04:27 rangi sometimes :)
04:27 rangi usually just the weekend days
04:28 rangi but I use bip so I never log out of irc
04:28 kmkale :)
04:28 rangi and irc on the bus is a good way to pass the time
04:29 rangi I even pushed 2 patches once, but that was more effort than it was worth
04:29 AmitG heya chris
04:29 rangi hiya AmitG
04:29 kmkale hah. can't imagine pushing patches from a mobile device
04:29 AmitG chris today pakistan vs WI
04:29 AmitG which is your fav?
04:30 rangi that's a tricky one
04:30 rangi wi are so unpredictable
04:30 AmitG yes
04:30 rangi and so are pakistan
04:30 AmitG batting is not good
04:30 kmkale On current form it should be pakistan going through
04:31 rangi id like wi to win, I think it would be good for cricket for wi to be strong again
04:31 AmitG if pak wins and india wins in quarter final
04:31 AmitG semi final india vs pakistan
04:31 AmitG is a good match
04:31 rangi yep
04:31 rangi those are always good
04:31 kmkale yay
04:32 AmitG yes
04:32 rangi I remember not long ago, they were always played in a neutral country
04:32 AmitG they play like a enemy
04:32 rangi I'm glad that is changing
04:32 AmitG hmm
04:46 kmkale BBL
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04:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #69: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_master/69/
04:55 jenkins_koha Frédéric Demians: Bug 5931 Paging and sorting saved reports table
04:55 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5931 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW, Paging and sorting saved reports table
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05:49 cait hi #koha
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06:25 rangi hi cait and eythian_
06:25 cait hi rangi and eythian_ :)
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06:26 Veera Hi
06:26 wahanui que tal, Veera
06:26 Veera how are you
06:26 Veera Que Tal
06:26 wahanui hi, Veera
06:26 Veera hi Wahanui
06:26 wahanui hey, Veera
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06:26 Veera I need a help
06:26 Veera in KOHA
06:27 Veera in Cataloguing...manual record entry
06:27 Veera I could not enter the author name
06:27 Veera in tag 1
06:27 cait rangi: still trying to make koha faster on this laptop - still takes 3 seconds from one page to another :(
06:28 Veera can you advise me
06:28 rangi Veera: tag 100 ?
06:28 rangi it will because you have authorities enabled for that
06:29 Veera yes
06:29 cait Veera: koha wants you to link the entry to an authority.
06:29 Veera please advise me how to enable
06:30 rangi Veera: do you want to use authorities or not?
06:30 Veera yes
06:31 Veera rangi
06:31 rangi[…]h=c8245#addbibrec
06:31 rangi if you read through there, it gets to a part about Authority search
06:32 Veera if I want to enter without authority search
06:32 rangi cait: have you seen that thread on the mailing list about tuning mysql?
06:32 Veera How do i do that
06:32 rangi so you dont want to use authorities
06:32 cait rangi: yeah, I was trying mysqltuner
06:32 Veera I am just exploring both
06:32 rangi[…]/faq/authorities/
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06:34 rangi or, you can change the value of one of the system preferences
06:34 rangi[…]ioAddsAuthorities
06:35 Veera rangi..sorry I am not able understand from the manual
06:35 Veera can you please advise me
06:35 Veera the steps
06:36 rangi not any better than the manual can im afraid
06:37 Veera just simply enter the author name
06:38 Veera please advice rangi
06:38 rangi yes, if you want to do that, you have 2 options like i told you
06:38 rangi either disable authorities
06:38 rangi or change the BiblioAddsAuthorities system preference
06:38 wahanui rangi: that doesn't look right
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06:39 rangi if you dont do either of those, you cant without doing an authority search
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06:39 Veera which one you recommend
06:39 Veera ?
06:41 rangi the second one, changing the BiblioAddsAuthorities preference
06:41 Veera ok
06:42 Veera I am checking the sys.pref.
06:42 eythian_ rangi: if you check your work email, I wrote a tiny little thing about the training stuff here.
06:43 rangi will check now eythian_
06:43 rangi heh, tiny!
06:46 rangi very cool and yeah talk to jcamins about the archiving stuff
06:46 eythian_ I know, I was quite restrained!
06:46 eythian_ ah, sweet
06:47 rangi im pretty sure he did all that kinda stuff for the numismatic society
06:47 eythian_ hmm, these archives are more like government records, or do you meant the same thing?
06:48 rangi yep, i mean he knows all the fields in marc that are applicable to archivist use
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06:48 eythian_ oh right, cool
06:48 eythian_ I'll chase him up when he's not _away then
06:48 rangi yep he will be asleep
06:49 eythian_ In other news, I now have an infinite amount of Solomon Islands branded t-shirts :)
06:51 cait :)
06:53 rangi markets are good for that :)
06:56 eythian_ the markets here are all about fruit, SICHE gave me some as 'koha' :)
06:56 eythian_ (t-shirts that is)
06:57 eythian_ I've never eaten so much fresh pinapple and banana.
06:57 rangi :)
07:01 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5913 : Remove broken link from authorities search results <[…]39624a625d348968e> / Bug 5909 : SetUTF8Flag on any incoming data <[…]f48635af355d55efa> / Bug 5907 : MT 2538 : Using default authtypecode for authority display <
07:05 bg evening
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07:09 rangi hey bg
07:10 bg heya rangi
07:10 rangi up late, or up early?
07:10 bg went to bed too early I guess
07:10 bg reading this now..[…]/story?id=6210816
07:10 rangi ahhh
07:10 rangi oh cool
07:11 rangi cricket world cup is on at the moment
07:11 rangi quarter finals
07:11 bg ah cool who's playing?
07:12 rangi pakistan vs west indies .. starts in about 1 hour
07:14 rangi[…]finals-Who-ll-win
07:14 bg thanks
07:15 jenkins_koha Starting build 70 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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07:34 rangi[…]istics-for-3-2-6/
07:35 magnuse cool
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07:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #70: SUCCESS in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_master/70/
07:54 jenkins_koha * Matthias Meusburger: Bug 5907 : MT 2538 : Using default authtypecode for authority display
07:54 jenkins_koha * Henri-Damien LAURENT: Bug 5909 : SetUTF8Flag on any incoming data
07:54 jenkins_koha * Matthias Meusburger: Bug 5913 : Remove broken link from authorities search results
07:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5907 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Using default authtypecode for authority display
07:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5909 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Authorities : SetUTF8Flag on any incoming data
07:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5913 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Fix broken link in Authorities search results
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08:11 kf hi #koha
08:11 magnuse guten morgen kf
08:13 kf hi magnuse
08:13 francharb hi all
08:14 kf hi francharb
08:15 mtj oooooh!
08:15 kf ooooh?
08:15 kf hi mason :)
08:15 mtj[…]011/evergreen_ils
08:15 jenkins_koha Starting build 71 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:15 mtj heya kf
08:21 magnuse kia ora mtj
08:23 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 3382: Add CSS classes to OPAC XSLT tags <[…]883cdb250642ab1bd>
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08:43 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5641: Replace Favicon through staff client <[…]cb76f37e6ede904d9> / Bug 5902: should default to set library <[…]c036b364c869ceec2>
08:48 magnuse @wunder bodo, norway
08:48 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -3.0�C (9:20 AM CET on March 23, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: -12.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
08:49 magnuse hmpf, several cm of fresh snow on the ground this morning and more to come all through the week, it seems...
08:50 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:50 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 8.3�C (9:50 AM CET on March 23, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.63 in 1037.1 hPa (Falling).
08:50 kf sunshine :)
08:53 magnuse sounds lovely
08:53 magnuse @wunder marseille
08:53 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 11.0�C (9:30 AM CET on March 23, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.51 in 1033 hPa (Steady).
08:53 rangi @wunder wellington nz
08:53 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0�C (9:00 PM NZDT on March 23, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Rising).
08:53 magnuse ooh, even better
08:53 kf :)
08:53 magnuse @wunder thane, india
08:54 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Mumbai / Santacruz, India is 32.0�C (11:30 AM IST on March 23, 2011). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa.
08:54 magnuse ...
08:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #71: UNSTABLE in 38 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_master/71/
08:54 jenkins_koha Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 3382: Add CSS classes to OPAC XSLT <img> tags
08:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3382 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW, Add classes to XSLT results and detail displays to facilitate CSS styling
08:54 jenkins_koha Starting build 72 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #70 1 h 38 mn ago)
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09:08 magnuse rangi still here?
09:09 rangi yep
09:09 rangi sup?
09:09 magnuse i just did a git pull to update my installation of current master and got an error: Argument "3.0300XXX" isn't numeric in numeric lt (<) at /home/magnus/kohahead/installe​r/data/mysql/ line 4109.
09:10 rangi ah yeah im about to push the database bump
09:11 magnuse ah, so i just happened to pull at the wrong time?
09:12 magnuse[…]85b3377f7;hb=HEAD has $DBversion = "3.03.00.XXX"; on line 4108
09:12 rangi yep
09:12 rangi try now
09:12 rangi normally i dont push until i do the database bump, but i was checking the template toolkits changes
09:14 magnuse yup, successfully updated to now - never mind!
09:15 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bumping database number <[…]6ce3f24f6198deaa4>
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09:22 magnuse kia ora paul_p!
09:23 paul_p kia ora magnuse
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09:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #72: STILL UNSTABLE in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_master/72/
09:33 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5902: should default to set library
09:33 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5641: Replace Favicon through staff client
09:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5902 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Locations should default to current library in add item screen
09:33 jenkins_koha Starting build 73 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #70 2 h 18 mn ago)
09:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5641 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED, Replace Favicon From System Administration
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10:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #73: STILL UNSTABLE in 39 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_master/73/
10:12 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bumping database number
10:16 jcamins_away Good morning, #koha
10:17 jcamins_away is now known as jcamins
10:20 rangi hi jcamins
10:21 jcamins Well this is quite unusual... I'm actually talking to NZ in the morning.:)
10:21 rangi it happens round this time
10:21 rangi daylight savings stuff
10:22 jcamins Also, I couldn't sleep.
10:22 rangi and that :)
10:22 rangi and its 11.22pm so im about to go to sleep, but in a few weeks our daylight savings ends
10:23 kf so it will be one hour later for you then? or earlier?
10:23 * kf things time zones are very confusing
10:23 rangi earlier
10:23 * jcamins finds them very confusing too.
10:25 rangi right night all
10:25 rangi cya in 8 hours or so :)
10:25 kmkale paul_p++
10:26 kmkale hi jcamins and kf
10:27 kf night rangi
10:28 kf hi kmkale
10:28 jcamins Good night.
10:29 jcamins And, good morning, kmkale.
10:29 kf paul_p: flight booked :)
10:29 kf but he is not here
10:36 magnuse jcamins: sorry, i have not done anything with the dewey sorting since what i wrote pn bug 4265
10:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4265 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Sorting by call number in OPAC is slightly off
10:37 kmkale fredericd++
10:37 kmkale :)
10:38 jcamins magnuse: okay, I just wanted to make sure I was testing the correct version of the code.
10:42 magnuse jcamins: cool
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12:05 jwagner Does anyone know offhand if the email address field in the branches policy and/or the KohaAdminEmailAddress syspref can take multiple email addresses?
12:05 jcamins I do not think it can.
12:06 jwagner I'd never heard of it being able to, but I don't think I've ever looked at it either.  Thanks.
12:06 AmitG heya jwagner
12:06 jcamins I've never tried it, so I could be mistaken.
12:06 jwagner Hi AmitG
12:08 eythian_ It seems unlikely that it could unless it's coded to do so, in which case I'd hope it were documented. (I say this without checking the code.)
12:08 jwagner Most of my sites use an alias or list address, but I have one asking if they can just put two staff people's addresses in.
12:11 jwagner Looking at the code, it's using it as a "from" line, and I don't think email programs let you have multiple "from" addresses.
12:12 jcamins Hey, how do you install additional languages?
12:13 jcamins I know I've done it, but I am completely blanking on how.
12:15 kf perl translate install <language-code>
12:15 kf it's in misc/translator I think
12:15 eythian_ jwagner: it depends on how it sends, I've not looked at the code, but if it's a call to sendmail, it might work.
12:17 jwagner Thanks, eythian_ -- I'm going to strongly recommend that they set up an internal list/alias rather than trying to send to individual staff addresses.
12:17 eythian_ but if not (and probably not, as it probably sends the address as a single argument) it strikes me as a fairly easy and worthwhile thing to do across the board.
12:17 eythian_ that's also an option.
12:17 jwagner kf, I think you just answered another question of mine -- if we want to add a language to an existing install, we just run the command you gave on that instance?
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12:18 jcamins kf: thanks.
12:18 tcohen hi #koha
12:19 eythian_ jcamins: I wish to have a word with you. I had a chat with the National Archives here (where "here" is the Solomon Islands at the moment) about Koha, and they're interested in looking into it. rangi suggested that you might know something about using Koha for government archives type records.
12:19 jcamins Not a whole lot, but a bit.
12:20 jcamins Are they using MARC at the moment?
12:20 kf jcamins: not sure if it works the same when you are using koha-common instances, but yes, that can be run anytime
12:20 eythian_ basically, is it reasonably feasible without too many changes? I don't know if MARC is geared towards that sort of thing or not, and what kind of template changes might have to occur for it to happen.
12:20 eythian_ jcamins: hahaha you jest :)
12:20 kf you have to activate the language in your sys prefs after running it
12:20 jcamins eythian_: ah.
12:20 eythian_ they're using a 20-year-old card catalogue system
12:20 jcamins Ouch.
12:20 eythian_ this is not a rich country
12:21 eythian_ (I've been here for a week providing Koha training)
12:21 eythian_ even the National Library uses card catalogues.
12:21 jcamins So, the out-of-the-box display in Koha is not designed with archival collections in mind.
12:21 jcamins However, all the data that's needed can be stored in MARC.
12:21 jcamins Well, most of the data.
12:22 eythian_ OK, that's a good start
12:22 kf jcamins: perhaps the $w links would work for them?
12:22 eythian_ kf: $w?
12:22 jcamins kf: yeah, they'd definitely use $w.
12:22 jcamins At the moment, the default MARC frameworks are missing a bunch of the fields that they'd want, but I understand gmcharlt has a plan to get them updated.
12:23 gmcharlt yep, pulling in the latest MARC21 update
12:23 kf eythiah_: a method to have a set records with links to set records, hiearchies in marc data
12:23 kf with links to records in the set... can't explain it well in english
12:24 jcamins There would still be a lot of display issues, but there are a few libraries using Koha for archives, and XSLT changes are easy.
12:24 jcamins gmcharlt: any idea when that'll be ready?
12:24 eythian_ well, they want two things: one is to index their library, which is fine (I saw the whole thing today, the number of records would probably not be far off 1,000), and the other is to catalogue their archives.
12:24 gmcharlt jcamins: certainly before the cutoff
12:24 jcamins Woohoo!
12:25 eythian_ awesome :)
12:25 jcamins eythian_: do you know at what level of detail they want to catalog?
12:25 eythian_ jcamins: not really, at the moment it's just something we talked about as an idea
12:25 eythian_ I'm not averse to a trip back here to sort that out for them :)
12:26 jcamins If they only want to go down to the collection level, it's pretty easy.
12:26 eythian_ OK. Ideally we'd do it right though so they don't have to go through the process again.
12:27 eythian_ But if it were significantly difficult to go much further, barcoding and recording each box would be an OK start.
12:27 gmcharlt eythian_: this is an archve?
12:27 eythian_ gmcharlt: yeah, the Solomon Islands National Archives.
12:27 gmcharlt in that case, box-level records would be a good start
12:28 eythian_ it's somewhat disorganised at the moment due to lack of space and lack of cataloguing. So it requires substantial experience to even know which room something is in.
12:28 jwagner eythian_, one of my sites has a lot of archival/manuscript materials.  I set up some specialized indexes for them on MARC fields that aren't usually indexed, but we were able to work in the MARC structure.
12:28 eythian_ jwagner: that sounds pretty good
12:29 eythian_ My thinking, at least initially, was that it could probably work within the MARC framework and then maybe some template changes to make things show up correctly. But I'm not a cataloguer so I don't really know what's possible.
12:30 jwagner We also did a lot of work with collection codes.  See
12:30 * eythian_ looks
12:30 jcamins eythian_: it's definitely possible to use MARC.
12:30 eythian_ cool
12:31 jcamins Hm.
12:32 jcamins Does Portuguese not work?
12:32 jcamins It says it's 99% translated.
12:32 kf jcamins: do you get an error message?
12:32 kf sometimes there can be mistakes in the po file breaking things
12:33 eythian_ jwagner: is search broken on that site: "No results match your search for �the � in Founding Fathers Library Consortium Catalog"? (I didn't add the trailing space there)
12:33 jwagner Sorry, Chatzilla is showing funky characters -- what were you searching?
12:33 eythian_ jwagner: nope, my bad
12:33 jwagner You will definitely get lots of results searching on George Washington or George Mason :-)
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12:34 jcamins kf: it seemed to work, but I get this:[…]koha/
12:34 eythian_ perhaps it's using stop words, my usual searches to test things didn't work, but something more meaningful did :)
12:34 jcamins (change the language to Portuguese)
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12:36 kf strange
12:36 jcamins Oh, I did tget an error: % s: Unknown or unsupported format specification
12:36 eythian_ looks like a stray space
12:37 kf jcamins: poedit it good for finding those things
12:37 kf it can complain about things like that
12:37 kf try correcting it in pootle or po file and install the language again
12:38 eythian_ I love seeing things like this: "Certaine sermons or homilies appointed to be read in churches in the time of Queen Elizabeth of famous memory : and now thought fit to bee reprinted by authority from the Kings Most Excellent Maiestie. "
12:39 jcamins How do I use poedit?
12:39 kf it's a program available for windows and linux
12:40 kf you can open the po file with it
12:40 kf and there is something in the settings that will prompt you with errors when you try to save the file
12:40 kf missing placeholders and such
12:42 kf eythian_: why are you still here? :)
12:43 kf isn't it really late for you?
12:43 jwagner eythian_, there are a LOT of good titles in that site :-)
12:43 eythian_ kf: I'm currently in a +11 timezone rather than +13.
12:43 eythian_ jwagner: there really are :)
12:43 kf ah
12:44 eythian_ kf: starting a Koha invasion of the South Pacific, and doing my duty hanging out on a pacific island for a week, where the temperature hasn't dropped below 25 the entire time. It's a tough life :)
12:44 * jwagner whacks eythian_ upside the head....
12:44 eythian_ On the flip side, I'm a little tired of smelling like insect repellent and having to take anti-malaria pills... :)
12:45 eythian_ The violence inherent in the system!
12:46 eythian_ But, the folks here  are exceptionally keen about Koha which is great. There may be a kohacon here in a couple of years :)
12:46 eythian_ they also want to federate the searches of the whole region.
12:46 eythian_ which would be great.
12:47 kf :)
12:47 eythian_ Of course, that would mean more travel around here for me. Oh well :)
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12:52 eythian_ So, the timestamp on Nicole's patch sign-offs is late May. I wonder if she realises she'll miss the release :)
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12:53 jcamins kf: any idea how ot find the error with poedit?
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13:00 jcamins It's right on
13:01 * jcamins found the errors.
13:11 kf sorry jcamins
13:11 kf espresso break :)
13:11 kf does it work for you know?
13:12 jcamins Yes, after I fixed the errors.
13:14 kf know = now
13:14 kf ah good
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14:32 jcamins I should've asked this four hours ago when rangi was still awake, but if I wanted to submit a patch using T::T, does it *have* to wait until 3.6, since Master won't be switched to T::T until April 1, or can a T::T-based feature be accepted if the patch against new/enh/bug_5917 is sent before April 1?
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14:48 gmcharlt jcamins: I actually asked something similar; patches against the branch are OK as long as they're marked with a bug number and "[TT]" or something like that in the subject line
14:49 jcamins Okay. Got it, thanks.
15:17 kmkale Good night #koha
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16:40 huginn New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 5902: should default to set library <[…]892b72aa05b281ea9> / Bug 5909 : SetUTF8Flag on any incoming data <[…]ce685fd169f2d91b8> / Bug 5907 : MT 2538 : Using default authtypecode for authority display <
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16:43 kf chris_n: around?
16:43 jcamins rhcl: around?
16:44 chris_n heya kf
16:45 jenkins_koha Starting build 10 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:46 kf I wondered - will there be another 3.2.x release?
16:47 chris_n yes
16:47 kf ah
16:47 kf but it will be the same date as 3.4?
16:48 chris_n if 3.4 is released the 22, it will be, unless there is sufficient reason to delay
16:49 gmcharlt I think there would be warrant to not do both releases on the same day
16:49 gmcharlt let each have its day in the spotlight
16:50 * chris_n knows other projects which do multiple releases on the same day
16:50 chris_n ie Asterisk
16:50 kf ok :)
16:50 kf going home - will be back later
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16:51 * gmcharlt knows project that don't.  so?
16:51 chris_n exactly :-)
16:58 * chris_n actually thinks that with the advent of monthly releases, release announcements lose a bit of their novelty
16:59 chris_n but if the prevailing opinion in the community is to release early or late to avoid parallel releases, I'll certainly accommodate
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17:12 * druthb waves back.
17:22 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.2.x build #10: UNSTABLE in 37 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/10/
17:22 jenkins_koha * Sophie Meynieux: Bug 5889: Messages name in english for notifications on public interface.
17:22 jenkins_koha * Matthias Meusburger: Bug 5907 : MT 2538 : Using default authtypecode for authority display
17:22 jenkins_koha * Henri-Damien LAURENT: Bug 5909 : SetUTF8Flag on any incoming data
17:22 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 5902: should default to set library
17:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5889 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW, Allow message names to be translatable
17:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5907 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Using default authtypecode for authority display
17:23 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5909 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Authorities : SetUTF8Flag on any incoming data
17:23 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5902 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, Locations should default to current library in add item screen
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17:43 cait hi all :)
17:43 jwagner hi cait
17:44 cait hi jwagner
17:45 gmcharlt chris_n: there's a difference between a maintenance release and a feature release
17:46 gmcharlt the latter deserves a bit more attention
17:48 chris_n as I said, I'll do whatever the prevailing opinion dictates as it is really no trouble either way
17:53 bg @wunder 93109
17:54 nengard think you had a space in there
17:55 cait @wunder Konstanz
17:55 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.3�C (6:55 PM CET on March 23, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.55 in 1034.4 hPa (Steady).
17:55 chris_n @wunder 28334
17:55 huginn chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 29.0�C (1:42 PM EDT on March 23, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 23%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.64 in 1004 hPa (Falling).
17:55 bg @wunder 93109
17:55 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 11.4�C (10:55 AM PDT on March 23, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Rising).
17:55 bg yay!!
17:55 chris_n trade anyone?
17:55 jwagner @wunder 20817
17:55 huginn jwagner: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 7.9�C (1:55 PM EDT on March 23, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.67 in 1004.6 hPa (Falling).
17:56 jcamins @wunder 11375
17:56 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 1.8�C (1:51 PM EDT on March 23, 2011). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.76 in 1007.7 hPa (Falling). Coastal Flood Advisory in effect from 2 am to 5 am EDT Thursday...
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18:08 jcamins @later tell eythian Is the squeeze-dev koha-common package supposed to pull in mysql-server? Inquiring minds want to know...
18:08 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
18:14 moodaepo @wunder 56001
18:14 huginn moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is -1.9�C (1:14 PM CDT on March 23, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: -7.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Rising).
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18:46 wizzyrea runtime_parameters++
18:46 wizzyrea nengard++ for documenting them in a way that makes sense.
18:47 nengard sekjal++ for explaining to me how they work :)
18:47 wizzyrea sekjal++
18:47 nengard wizzyrea will they help with what you guys want?
18:49 rangi morning
18:49 wizzyrea not for that particular thing, but for loads and loads of other stuff
18:50 wizzyrea and loads and loads and loads and loads.........
18:50 wizzyrea of other stuff
18:50 moodaepo Is bg brendan?
18:50 wizzyrea yep
18:50 rangi bg++
18:51 moodaepo wizzyrea: Thanks! I wanted to ask if he's seen the listing for Koha in the ILS/Vendor list (pdf) here >
18:52 * wizzyrea is updating all of her reports with the fabulous runtime parameters
18:52 rangi moodaepo: is that gonna make me angry or should I look?
18:52 wizzyrea kid + candy store = me
18:52 cait :)
18:52 moodaepo rangi: I'm not sure...might have been an honest mistake
18:52 wizzyrea oh dear
18:52 druthb hm.  Defeinitely need to update, that; I've done more go-lives than "Sites:5" in just the last month or so.
18:53 moodaepo I'm more interested in the description of Koha
18:53 rangi ah pdf
18:53 rangi ill look at work
18:53 * druthb emails a box of clues to the ITI folks.
18:53 rangi is it just us based?
18:53 moodaepo rangi: I did warn ya : )
18:53 wizzyrea looks that way
18:53 wizzyrea no I don't think it will make you angry, per se
18:53 rangi cool
18:54 moodaepo I'd like to add "Open Source" in there somewhere
18:54 druthb Their description of Koha is ByWater's mission statement.  Goofy mistake.
18:54 wizzyrea it's just out of date
18:54 rangi lol
18:54 wizzyrea yea, just poorly done
18:54 wizzyrea not anger inducing
18:54 rangi journalism
18:54 wizzyrea that
18:54 wizzyrea yes
18:54 rangi its awesome!
18:54 rangi :)
18:54 moodaepo Just wanted to bring it to ByWater's attention : )
18:54 rangi cool thanks moodaepo
18:55 druthb moodaepo++
18:55 wizzyrea corrections in order on almost all of the koha vendors, actually
18:55 wizzyrea :P
18:56 wizzyrea they still have the HQ of LL in columbus
18:56 wizzyrea I think this is old
18:56 wizzyrea oh yea
18:56 rangi yeah
18:56 wizzyrea it's from jan 2010
18:56 rangi that'd do it
18:56 wizzyrea so lots has changed
18:56 wizzyrea lots and lots
18:56 nengard didn't they have one in jan 2011?
18:56 rangi it'd be hard to make me angry anyway
18:57 rangi I'm at a cafe drinking a flat white
18:57 wizzyrea no, there's no way you could be angry
18:57 * wizzyrea misses flat whites
18:57 rangi waiting to have breakfast with one of my fave librarians
18:57 nengard Joann?
18:57 rangi nope tho she is def a fave too
18:57 moodaepo @google flat whites
18:57 huginn moodaepo: Flat white - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; My Two Beans Worth Coffee Blog: How to Make a Flat White: <http://blog.espressocoffeesnob[…]e-flat-white.html>; YouTube - How-to make a great Flat White: <>; Ristretto | Flat White - < (2 more messages)
18:58 rangi kris, not a koha user ... yet
18:58 rangi works at the national school of dance and drama
18:59 rangi moodaepo: they originated in aus and nz
19:00 rangi like a latte but different :)
19:00 moodaepo rangi: Yup looks good, am going to recommend a friend of mine who runs a coffee place start making them!
19:01 rangi cool, where? so I know where to visit :)
19:01 moodaepo You'll see a similar (more a latte style) when you are in India for the conference (if you make it), of course you can get a latte latte ask kmkale when he's around : )
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19:02 rangi cool :)
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19:06 rangi hi sekjal
19:06 sekjal hi, rangi
19:08 jcamins rangi: did you get up early, or has it really been that long since I signed on?
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19:43 wizzyrea gmcharlt++ #thanks for the report help
19:45 rangi back
19:46 rangi jcamins: nope not up early
19:47 rangi its 8.46 now
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20:33 LBA Greetings Kohans...have you see the webinar on Liblime's GetIt Library Acquisitions seminar?  Wondering if this code is REALLY "designed to integrate with the Koha open source ILS."
20:34 LBA have you seen the notice about the seminar, I mean.
20:34 rangi do you really wonder .. i think you know the answer :)
20:34 rangi i think we all do
20:34 LBA You know me....I try to remain open to the good in people.
20:34 rangi i tried that, gave up 2 years ago :)
20:35 rangi if its in there, its hella buried
20:35 wizzyrea it's designed to integrate with Liblime Enterprise, that we can say for sure
20:36 sekjal got the notice this afternoon
20:36 sekjal didn't include the URL for the repo where I could download GetIt, though
20:37 rangi :)
20:37 jcamins sekjal: oversight.
20:37 jcamins Surely.
20:39 jcamins Is there anyone around who understand
20:39 rangi im not sure such a person exists
20:39 cait jcamins: volunteering to be the one? :)
20:39 jcamins cait: heck no.
20:40 jcamins I just can't figure out what line 936 is supposed to do.
20:40 rangi in master?
20:40 rangi ill have a look
20:40 jcamins Thanks.
20:41 jcamins It used to look like this: if (($mode ne "popup" && !$is_a_modif) || $redirect eq "items"){
20:41 jcamins And that version makes sense to me.
20:41 jcamins Okay, maybe "makes sense" is a bit strong.
20:43 rangi its now if ($mode ne "popup" && !$is_a_modif && $redirect eq "items"){
20:43 jcamins Right.
20:43 sekjal so $redirect eq "items" is no longer enough for it to be true
20:43 jcamins Which means that $redirect eq items is a noop.
20:43 jcamins *no-op
20:44 jcamins Because you will fall through to the elsif even if you click "Save and edit items."
20:45 rangi owen changed htat line
20:45 jcamins I know.
20:45 rangi 173d3cbb2d836069e6ecaa7263da380ee90a00aa
20:45 rangi ud probably need to ask him why
20:45 jcamins But I was kind of hoping some expert would be able to understand why he did, since I probably won't be talking to him until next week.
20:45 jcamins ;)
20:46 sekjal something about edititem permissions
20:46 rangi its to do with the permissions
20:46 rangi yeah
20:46 jcamins Except you can't choose that option if you don't have the permission.
20:46 jcamins And actually, I just realized why.
20:47 jcamins Previously the other one was a no-op.
20:47 rangi yeah
20:47 jcamins So it's still wrong, it just goes the other way.
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20:48 * jcamins discovers the limit of short-circuit analysis
20:48 jcamins s/analysis/[the proper term]/
20:51 moodaepo druthb: One last thing about the pdf I meantioned earlier, might want to shoot them an email about LLs entry also now that pisses me of a bit but why am I surprised. LL probably sent it over.
20:52 rangi heh
20:52 moodaepo "Koha’s greatest strength is the open source community, where users steer development, rather than a vendor." Also the dates sites installed are different is that sites installed by vendor?
20:52 wizzyrea moodaepo: that is from last january
20:52 wizzyrea the pdf
20:52 wizzyrea 2010
20:52 moodaepo wizzyrea: Ah ok
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20:53 wizzyrea i'll grant you they weren't walking that talk last january either, but it hadn't been sold off yet.
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20:54 jcamins Okay, I figured out what the line should be:         if ($redirect eq "items" || ($mode ne "popup" && !$is_a_modif && $redirect ne "view")){
20:57 sekjal jcamins++ (for this, and all the other patches he's worked on recently)
20:58 rangi yes
20:58 rangi jcamins++
20:58 cait jcamins++
20:58 jcamins Aww, thanks. :)
21:01 wizzyrea what's the runtime parameter for itemtype?
21:01 wizzyrea itemtype?
21:02 wizzyrea aha
21:02 wizzyrea tiral_and_error++
21:02 wizzyrea itemtypes
21:03 wizzyrea <<Pick your item type|itemtypes>>
21:03 wizzyrea itemtype looks weird to me today
21:03 wizzyrea (the word)
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21:34 Irma Good morning Judit :)
21:34 cait hi Irma :)
21:35 Irma Good morning cait ...How are you?
21:36 cait I am fine - thx. how are you?
21:37 Irma You know I was really ill for few weeks now on medication and life is just about ormal that is good!
21:38 wizzyrea irma: so sorry to hear that!
21:38 wizzyrea glad you're feeling better though :)
21:38 Irma thank you
21:38 Irma just emailed Paul re Uni of Lyon
21:38 Irma still have the old koha address on their website
21:39 Irma wonder how many people still have not changed to
21:40 cait happy to hear you are better now
21:40 Irma cait are you going to Marseille for the hackfest? Wish I was closer ...
21:40 cait wish I was speaking french :)
21:40 cait but yes, booked flight today and looking for hotels now
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21:41 cait not so easy
21:41 Irma English is spoken @ BibLibre :)
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21:41 Irma pity for you. It's a nice place and a great opportunity
21:41 cait yes - I hope it will not be a problem
21:41 cait and magnus has the same problem, so i will not be alone :)
21:41 Irma ah, so you are part of the hackers ... great!
21:42 Irma Wow good on you two to make the trip and take time off work. What Koha advocates you are!
21:42 rangi hi Irma
21:42 rangi good to hear you are getting better :)
21:42 Irma hi Chris...we haven't spoken for a while
21:43 rangi nope
21:43 cait really looking forward to that week, hope to learn a lot.
21:43 Irma The only thing that remains is that when I get tired, that's it I have hit the "wall" and can't push on
21:44 Irma that should improve with time though
21:45 Irma OK. Better get moving. Cheers all and a bientot!
21:49 cait hope you feel better soon Irma
21:49 rangi cya later :)
21:49 cait cya
21:49 cait rangi: is there a save way to bring back deleted biblios and items?
21:49 cait my library has deleted an on order item and now the title is missing from the order
21:49 cait and they want me to repair it
21:50 rangi look in the deledbiblio table (and deletedbiblioitems)
21:50 cait yep, i know they are there
21:50 rangi you used to be able to do it in koha, but that feature has been broken
21:50 rangi you will have to do it with sql
21:50 cait would be good to see that alive again :)
21:50 cait but that's a problem for another day
21:51 rangi lemme find you the syntax
21:51 cait thx a  lot
21:53 rangi insert into biblio select * from deletedbiblio where biblionumber=whatever
21:53 rangi i think that will do it
21:53 rangi and the same for biblioitems
21:54 rangi (try it on a test db first)
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21:56 cait will do
21:56 cait and after that edit and save to get it into zebra_queue and reindexed?
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21:59 rangi exacterly
22:01 cait thx :)
22:02 bg @wunder 93109
22:02 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 9.5�C (3:02 PM PDT on March 23, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Windchill: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Falling).
22:02 rangi @wunder wellington nz
22:02 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (10:00 AM NZDT on March 24, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
22:02 rangi its def autumn now
22:02 bg yup but that's still a win for rangi
22:03 rangi whats it gonna be like in june?
22:03 bg june gloom - usually morning clouds that burn off in the afternoon...  I'd say 70's
22:03 * space_librarian is looking forward to the horizontal rain in Wellington
22:04 bg which I'm think will be around 17~18 ?
22:04 rangi nice
22:04 rangi and then new orleans is hot and sticky?
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22:08 * druthb heads out for some dinner...see y'all soon.
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22:12 jcamins rangi: usually.
22:12 * jcamins tries to focus on writing his other essay.
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22:17 nengard rangi i was there last year in june
22:17 nengard it's horrible
22:17 nengard awful
22:17 nengard icky
22:17 nengard stinky
22:18 nengard and sticky
22:18 nengard I wasn't a fan
22:18 rangi hehe
22:18 rangi well it will be an experience for me
22:18 nengard i would walk out from a hotel or the conference and my glasses would fog up so solid i couldn't see
22:18 rangi ahh yeah ive been places like that
22:19 nengard and i didn't really like the food either
22:20 bg ah I love the food there
22:20 bg and the french-quarter is pretty nutty too
22:20 rangi is it spicy?
22:20 rangi i love spicy
22:21 bg yup creole
22:21 rangi cool
22:21 rangi po boy
22:21 bg heh - and aligator tail :)
22:21 rangi yum!
22:21 bg but like everything - tastes like chicken
22:22 rangi ive had crocodile
22:23 mtj quick Q, how to build a OPAC language dir , in koha
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22:23 mtj my notes say...
22:23 mtj ~/g/koha.git/misc/translator$ ./ fr-FR
22:23 mtj but doesnt exist :/
22:24 mtj did that change , or are my notes wrong..
22:24 rangi yeah your notes are wrong
22:24 rangi at least 2 years old anyway
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22:24 rangi translate
22:24 rangi is the script
22:25 mtj w00t, thanks chris
22:25 rangi i think ./translate install fr-FR
22:26 rangi but the script has good pod
22:40 nengard got a partner complaining about the new pop up that patrons owe fines when they check books in - was there not a preference associated with this development? and if not does anyone know the bug number so i can update it?
22:40 rangi pass, and dunno
22:40 nengard bg - i don't think i was eating in the right places - it wasn't spicy - it wasn't interesting - it was fish and rice of some variation
22:41 nengard i'm hoping that somoene in our group will find us good places - and that NateC doesn't get to pick :) hehe
22:41 rangi you dont want kebabs for every meal? :-)
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22:42 bg yay kebabs++
22:48 sekjal alligator++
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22:54 rangi heya papa
22:55 papa heh, I did not even need a password...
22:55 rangi :)
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23:30 rangi wizzyrea: you around?
23:31 rangi oh nvm
23:31 rangi i figured out what you mean
23:31 rangi[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5852
23:31 huginn Bug 5852: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, NEW, Masthead search, with OpacAddMastheadLibraryPulldown on, does not honor SearchMyLibraryFirst
23:32 rangi you mean the patch for 5390 fixes it
23:32 rangi right
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23:33 rangi heya BobB
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