IRC log for #koha, 2011-02-15

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00:20 oleonard I have a Debian question if there are any sympathetic ears out there
00:20 * druthb has a sympathetic ear.
00:20 mtj shoot...
00:21 oleonard When I try to "sudo" it says '[user] is not allowed to run sudo...'
00:21 * jcamins_away knows the answer to this! You have to add a line to your sudoers file.
00:21 jcamins_away Change to root and run visudo
00:21 wahanui jcamins_away: that doesn't look right
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00:21 jcamins_away Uhhh... what?
00:21 mtj jcamins_away++
00:21 jcamins_away Anyway, add the line:
00:22 druthb jcamins_away++
00:22 jcamins_away $user ALL=(ALL) ALL
00:22 mtj
00:22 jcamins_away (where $user is the relevant user, and assuming that you want to give complete permissions)
00:22 druthb jcamins++
00:22 jcamins_away :)
00:22 jcamins_away Thanks.
00:22 oleonard Yeah, only I did that already :|
00:23 jcamins_away oleonard: hm. That's not so good.
00:23 jcamins_away And the line's still there? (wasn't overwritten by a new package or something)
00:24 mtj try visudo, instead
00:24 mtj
00:25 mtj and watch out for any typos
00:25 mtj fyi: my /etc is a git repo, on all my boxes
00:26 jcamins_away mtj: oops, did I forget to say "use visudo"?
00:26 mtj helps me track typos, and config changes when experimenting
00:26 jcamins_away oleonard: yeah, use visudo.
00:26 mtj use visudo, as root
00:27 * jcamins_away puts his cape back on and flies out.
00:31 mtj team justice_league in da' house
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00:47 oleonard Sorry guys, kids got out of the bath and I had to go wrangle
00:48 oleonard I did su, then visudo
00:50 mtj still doesnt work?
00:50 oleonard Well no, it's the same thing I tried before
00:50 oleonard Ah wait, hang on
00:50 mtj i only ever add one line to my sudoers file, right after the 'root' line
00:50 mtj mason   ALL=(ALL) ALL
00:51 mtj and it always just works...
00:51 * oleonard smacks his forehead
00:51 oleonard I had "All=" instead of "ALL="
00:52 oleonard Now it works :)
00:52 mtj yep, there u go ;)
00:56 * oleonard will now see if he can find the right driver for his wifi card
00:56 mtj now thats a worthy challenge
00:58 eythian not so much these days, now it usually just magically works.
00:58 eythian Takes all the fun away, really.
00:58 mtj i was very satisfied getting ndis-wrapper going on debian with a cheapy pci-wifi card
00:58 oleonard eythian: No magic for me
00:58 eythian oleonard: What distro?
00:59 oleonard Debian
00:59 mtj i built my from ndis.tgz source, old-skool-gansta stylez
00:59 eythian ah, no idea. Ubuntu will often sort it out via the restricted drivers manager.
01:01 mtj oleonard:  you need to do some digging to work out what your wifi *chipset* is first
01:06 mtj
01:06 mtj[…]p?title=Main_Page
01:06 mtj some good places to start
01:14 oleonard Thanks mtj
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02:56 hudsonbot Starting build 365 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:01 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_2170' into kcmaster <[…]f12320a6e8671b668> / Follow-up fix for Bug 2170 - Adding 'edititems' user-permission <[…]263da380ee90a00aa>
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03:24 kmkale Namaskar #koha
03:24 druthb Namaste, kmkale.  how are you?
03:24 indradg morning kmkale
03:25 mtj Namaste
03:25 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #365: SUCCESS in 29 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/365/
03:25 hudsonbot Owen Leonard: Follow-up fix for Bug 2170 - Adding 'edititems' user-permission
03:28 kmkale hi indradg mtj
03:28 kmkale fine druthb how about you?
03:28 druthb doing well.  :)
03:30 kmkale catalyst++
03:30 kmkale biblibre++
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04:51 snail evening everyone
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04:53 snail it looks like we've just entered the requirements gathering phase of the ILS drama, does anyone know of examples of other peoples documentation / requirements / whatever that I can use to crib from? Even documents from processes where the outcome wasn't koha would be welcome. Ideally higher / further education.
05:17 snail[…]Writers_Guide.pdf seems like a good place to start
06:20 rangi If you do a traditional rfp, you are doing it wrong
06:20 rangi They ask all the wrong questions
06:20 rangi I can show you tons of examples how not to do it :)
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06:57 francharb hello all
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07:34 jransom hi all
07:42 magnuse kia ora jransom!
07:47 rangi hi jransom
07:51 magnuse ata marie rangi
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07:54 magnuse hiya thd
07:55 thd hello magnuse
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08:00 magnuse hiya pianohacker
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08:00 pianohacker Hi magnus
08:01 magnuse bonjour hdl
08:01 snail rangi: i take your point about doing it wrong. we're not doing an rfp (yet/at all)
08:02 rangi snail: excellent :) the cost of answering an rfp is stupidly high, which of course the customer ends up paying in the long run
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08:04 kf good morning #koha
08:04 rangi hi kf
08:04 jransom heyhiya
08:04 snail mōrena kf
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08:06 magnuse guten morgen kf and paul_p
08:06 paul_p hi magnuse & kf & al
08:07 snail rangi: can you access:!/photo.php?fbid=499947501636&set=a.​499365726636.274436.577341636 ? my current after-hours project
08:08 rangi yep
08:08 kf :)
08:08 thd hdl: good morning
08:09 rangi cool :)
08:09 hdl hi thd
08:09 thd hdl: I discovered something useful in testing SimpleServer yesterday
08:10 hdl oh.... nice
08:10 thd hdl: The command format xml is not a request for MARCXML
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08:11 hdl should it be syn marcxml ?
08:11 thd hdl: format xml merely returns generic XML it is not a synonym of MARCXML.
08:12 thd hdl: They have different serialisations and different behaviour in yaz-client.
08:13 hdl so...?
08:13 wahanui so is there an expirationdate and an expiredate?
08:13 thd hdl: try format 1.2.840.10003.13.12.2 which returns MARCXML.
08:14 hdl what is the difference between format marcxml and format xml ??? from the server ?
08:14 thd hdl: I note that your Lyon 3 test server went down or changed yesterday.
08:15 thd hdl: yaz-client attempts to format anything MARC as 200 $a whatever $b whatever.
08:15 thd hdl: yaz-client merely dumps anything else.
08:17 thd hdl: the attempt to format is done for the present command issued via YAZ which is the show command in yaz-client.
08:17 thd hdl: try format 1.2.840.10003.13.12.2 which returns MARCXML shows that MARCXML is not being passed properly by SimpleServer.
08:18 hdl Lyon3 test is up (for zebra part)
08:19 thd hdl: I have a could not resole address error for that target from yaz-client
08:19 hdl format 1.2.840.10003.13.12.2; show
08:19 hdl [239] Record syntax not supported -- v2 addinfo '1.2.840.10003.13.12.2'
08:20 hdl on zebra
08:20 thd hdl: hmmm that is very odd.
08:22 thd hdl: I have certainly requested marcxml and not xml when using my PHP YAZ client.
08:22 hdl thd: koha zebra server has that : syntax="xml" name="marcxml"
08:25 thd hdl: The different serialisations definitely produce a different result in SimpleServer.
08:27 thd hdl: the marcxml serialisation is returning a display upon invoking show which matches the display for usmarc or unimarc.
08:28 thd hdl: the xml serialisation in SimpleServer shows a raw XML record.
08:31 thd hdl: the correct display for MARC and hence MARCXML, when no bad MARC error is present shows 200   $a whatever $b whatever.  Lines are broken by field number without the bad MARC error.
08:35 thd hdl: My IP address seems unable to connect to Lyon 3 but I am able to connect from home.
08:36 thd hdl: Does your firewall block testers or did I neglect to close a connection once and become banned?
08:37 hdl mmm normally no.
08:38 thd hdl: I really did not do much testing but I may have left the connection open and forgot to close it.
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08:57 thd hdl: Reading through my PHP YAZ based client I do not have a specific yaz_syntax() request for marcxml.  I have multiple elseif checks for record syntax which defaults to else usmarc.
08:58 thd hdl: I have not looked at the code closely for 4 years so I had forgotten how I managed that and apparently I cheated.
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10:25 thd hdl: are you invoking SimpleServer with the -f option?
10:26 hdl No...
10:27 hdl what is it ?
10:27 thd hdl: That allows you to use a YAZ configuration file.
10:28 thd ... like the one in Koha.
10:28 hdl I donot want to use a yaz configuration file... How would it index biblios ?
10:29 hdl mmmm You mean try using yaz configuration file and see how it is managing the stuff ?
10:31 thd hdl: You cannot obtain standards compliant behaviour nor all the advantages of SimpleServer without using a YAZ configuration file.
10:31 thd hdl:[…]erver.vhosts.html
10:33 thd hdl: See the example etc/yazgfs.xml in YAZ which is similar to what is in Koha.
10:34 thd hdl: SimpleServer and all IndexData products are highly dependent upon YAZ.
10:35 hdl ok. But how is it sending back elements ? Do we have to process them ?
10:36 hdl will yaz be able to search with the mappings we want to bring to him ?
10:36 thd hdl: Presumably it is sending them back with appropriate serialisation.  It can transform them.
10:37 thd hdl: YAZ would not actually do the searching although it would allow searching the explain record.
10:38 hdl Presumably ??? I donot like that word.
10:38 hdl but maybe I can try
10:39 thd hdl: Definitive answers require testing :)
10:39 hdl (or acurate documentation)
10:40 thd hdl: The documentation is accurate but not complete enough for what you need to know.
10:51 * thd needs to sleep
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11:13 hdl have a good night thd-away
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12:14 jcamins Good morning, #koha
12:16 francharb is there anyone who con explain me why the budgeted cost is calculated from the replacement cost?
12:17 francharb you can change the replacement cost but it will have an effect on the budgeted cost only if you change the vendor price
12:18 francharb rrp is the replacement price right?
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12:23 francharb is it because the replacement price shoud include taxes?
12:24 francharb which makes sense...
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12:24 francharb i think i just got my answers. thanks #koha for helping me thinking
12:24 francharb ;)
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13:08 NateC Morning #koha!
13:09 jwagner morning, NateC
13:09 NateC hi jwagner!
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13:49 hdl Hi sekjal
13:49 sekjal hi, hdl!
13:49 hdl have you done any work on LDAP  for multiple branches ?
13:50 sekjal no
13:50 sekjal last LDAP work I did was on adding TLS support
13:50 sekjal are we talking different LDAP's per branch?
13:50 sekjal or checking a different part of a single LDAP's schema?
13:50 hdl different LDAP branch in fact.
13:51 hdl authenticating on a multiple branches ldap
13:51 hdl It is something we spoke about some day in the past.
13:51 sekjal I've looked at supporting multiple LDAP sources, but haven't written anything for it
13:52 sekjal my previous institution was interested
13:52 sekjal as are a few of my current clients
13:52 sekjal though we hadn't planned on differentiating the LDAP sources based on branch
13:53 sekjal just if (person in LDAP1), elsif (person in LDAP2), elsif( ...... ), else (person in Koha)
13:54 francharb help
13:54 francharb i need somebody
13:54 francharb heeellp
13:54 francharb ;)
13:54 francharb well
13:54 jwagner francharb, what do you need?
13:54 jwagner (not that I'm likely to have the answer, but...)
13:54 francharb i dont get the use of gist
13:55 francharb actually, i understand what it is
13:55 francharb but you set up taxes in koha
13:55 francharb changes
13:55 francharb you have more informations
13:55 francharb like
13:56 francharb ordering/invoice prices including taxes or taxes
13:56 francharb i'm not sure to see the difference between ordering and invoice prices
13:56 * jwagner was right -- I don't have an answer :-(
13:57 francharb i do see the difference between an order and an invoice
13:58 francharb but anyway, my first question will be : why koha let me indicate a tax rate while i already indicated one in gist syspref
13:58 francharb ?
13:58 francharb thanks jwagner
13:58 francharb anyone?
14:00 sekjal francharb: I'm not sure.  I'd bet that this was something that some library or set of libraries needed for their acquisitions, and it got added
14:00 sekjal but I've never had occasion to use it myself
14:01 francharb thanks sekjal
14:02 francharb nengard: hi!
14:02 francharb maybe you know more about the "tax rate" field in
14:03 nengard how so?
14:04 francharb if i set up a 0.10 gist, i get this 'tax field' in supplier but i dont know what it is made for
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14:04 francharb 0.10 is already a tax rate
14:05 francharb nengard: have you ever use it?
14:05 nengard i've only really tested it briefly so I could write about it in the manual.  I did see some bugs recently about tax rate
14:05 nengard brb
14:06 francharb nengard: ok, thanks
14:12 francharb we are working on a new feature (managing different taxe rate). it might be easier for our developer if we get how it works... we will look into it more deeply
14:13 francharb thanks all
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15:20 magnus_away does anyone know of any projects/developments related to "electronic resources" and koha? not sure what that would be, but it seems to be important to a lot of libraries at the moment...
15:21 wizzyrea_away basically, people are trying to put records for their 3rd party digital resources (overdrive or other types of ebook/audiobooks) in their catalog, and link directly to them
15:21 sekjal magnus_away:  I've been spec'ing out an Electronic Resources Module for years
15:22 wizzyrea_away we haven't done it, but I imagine it will be a priority for us soon enough
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15:23 magnuse hm, just getting records into koha doesn't sound too difficult... ;-)
15:23 wizzyrea no, we're not (for now) trying to host the files ourselves
15:23 wizzyrea there are libraries who want to do that
15:24 magnuse i'm trying to pitch koha to a small group of norwegian public libraries that have a project about e-books
15:24 magnuse i'll tell them there is interest around this in the community and there may be possibilities for international cooperation... ;-)
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15:30 kf francharb: did you get your answer?
15:30 kf francharb: reading back now about yuor tax problem
15:31 kf francharb: the gist value should be the default, but you can change the default per vendor. I think it depends on the tax laws for your county. for us this is not enough - we would need a tax rate per order line, because we have different taxes for books, newspapers and electronic media
15:31 kf francharb: I am not sure, but I think there is development in this direction
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16:15 * druthb returns from a call, and waves at wizzyrea.
16:15 wizzyrea hi there, you're gonna need a staple gun for me this morning I think
16:17 druthb Velcro is kinder.
16:17 druthb Easier on the skin.
16:19 * jwagner is reminded of Ogden Nash's dictum "Candy is dandy but liquor is quicker"
16:19 wizzyrea Liquor? I hardly knew her!
16:20 jcamins It's always Friday on #koha!
16:20 jcamins :)
16:21 druthb It's five-o-clock *somewhere* in the Koha world...
16:21 druthb ....for cait's timezone, looks like.
16:21 * jwagner has a nasty bug and a co-worker suggested spiking the chicken soup :-)
16:22 jcamins jwagner: yeah, hard liquor works on bugs.
16:22 jcamins Not wine so much, though.
16:22 jcamins They just sort of stumble through...
16:22 jwagner I asked if you could be arrested for driving a computer while intoxicated....
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16:28 * druthb pulls the little box marked "Participant Securement Equipment" out from under huginn's seat, and gets out a roll of duct tape.
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16:40 scothost #join koha
16:45 jcamins scothost: you're already on #koha. :)
16:54 scothost doh!
16:54 scothost anyone know much about koha customisation
16:55 jcamins scothost: you're going to have to be more specific than that. Customizing what, and where are you running into problems?
16:55 paul_p scothost, throw your question, we will see what we can do ;-)
16:55 jcamins (the answer is probably "yes")
16:56 scothost I need to modify koha to add a facility where a user can log in, once authenticated the user can query their library or libraries
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16:57 paul_p druthb, and now, it's 6 for someone in the Koha world: for me 6PM, almost time to leave, for chris 6AM, almost time to wake up ;-)
16:57 scothost if they are not logged in they are authenticated as guest and their query searches all available libraries
16:57 paul_p scothost, is the syspref SearchMyLibraryFirst what you're looking for ?
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16:58 scothost yes it will be
16:58 paul_p so, the answer to your 1st question (anyone know much...) is yes :D
16:58 scothost this is my first week in a new job and my first trip into ILS
16:58 paul_p ohhh!!! welcome onboard then !
16:59 paul_p I just celebrated my 9th year trip into Koha recently ;-)
16:59 scothost been a php programmer for 10 years and perl is my secondery language
16:59 scothost LOL
16:59 paul_p be careful, you could like this trip and stay for a long time. It was not supposed to be my full time job when I started !
16:59 scothost so I guess I'm looking for someone to point me yo the location of the source files I should look at
17:00 paul_p ?
17:00 wahanui somebody said was broken for me with an xml error :(
17:00 scothost cool
17:00 jcamins scothost: you can just use the system preference that Paul suggested.
17:00 jcamins wahanui: forget
17:00 wahanui jcamins: I forgot
17:00 jcamins is where the source code for Koha is kept.
17:00 jcamins wahanui:
17:00 wahanui it has been said that is where the source code for Koha is kept.
17:01 wizzyrea he gets confused sometimes
17:01 jcamins source code?
17:01 jcamins wahanui: source code is at
17:01 wahanui OK, jcamins.
17:01 wizzyrea bother you beat me
17:01 jcamins wizzyrea: you could tell him where teh codez is. :)
17:02 jcamins Lunch time!
17:02 wizzyrea code is kept at
17:02 wizzyrea code?
17:02 wahanui somebody said code was kept at
17:02 wizzyrea yayee
17:03 scothost so ....
17:04 scothost I need to restrict users to search only their own location using the system parameter OPAC/Policy/SearchMyLibraryFirst
17:06 scothost there is also bib records without items that should be available to everyone such as links to electronic documents
17:07 scothost Can anyone point me in the right direction
17:07 scothost I'm struggling to figure out the source code structure
17:08 scothost ok like i said my first trip into ILS
17:08 scothost I guess i need to go and google a while
17:08 wizzyrea so you feel like without modification you can't make koha do these things?
17:08 scothost not sure I understand the meaning of System Preference
17:09 scothost hopefully not
17:10 scothost I'd like to be able to manipulate the admin panel and possibly add some superficial changes without messing with the existing code base
17:10 paul_p scothost, syspref is : koha > administration > system preferences. That's parameters that affect koha behaviour usually globally
17:10 paul_p scothost, I strongly encourage you to do so ! (not messing with the code), or updates/upgrades will be a pain
17:11 paul_p though, what you want do (ie: *hide* items not from the patron) is not possible in koha for instance
17:11 wizzyrea well
17:11 scothost yes
17:12 wizzyrea there is that code from harley that allows item suppression, but that hides it from the opac, not specific users
17:12 scothost basically we have an ILS system for some schools
17:12 scothost instead of one system for each school
17:12 wizzyrea you might want to talk to schuster, if he pops in, he's got a ton of schools
17:12 wizzyrea all together, I think
17:13 scothost we want one overall ILS that allows students to search onlu their school library based on their log in credentials and session id
17:13 druthb they are all together.  70-something campuses, IIRC.
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17:32 rangi francharb: you around?
17:35 rangi @later tell francharb certain suppliers act as purchasing agents, they may be purchasing a book from overseas, which means the tax rate on it is different than the normal one from that supplier, thats why you can change the tax rate on a per order basis
17:35 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
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18:01 francharb rangi: i'm here
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18:02 francharb rangi: thanks for the answer. after a little research, i understood it but it raises more questions
18:04 francharb for example, the code seems to say that we can have vendor prices that includes taxes or vendor price that doesnt. but i dont know where to configure it
18:04 francharb another one, what "tax number registered : yes / no" stand for?
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18:11 francharb @later tell kf i just read your answer and thats what i understood and yes, we are developping what you want, 1. managing different taxe rates. 2. managing taxe rates at order line level
18:11 huginn francharb: The operation succeeded.
18:12 francharb @later  tell kf, and thanks for the answer ;)
18:12 huginn francharb: The operation succeeded.
18:16 francharb rangi: "tax number registered:yes/no"  is store in the "gstreg" mysql field but apparently, "gstreg" isnt used in the code... did wo miss something?
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18:26 francharb rangi: last question (but not least ) ;) when we set up the gist syspref, we have these radio button in : "Ordering prices : includes tax / don't include tax" and "invoice prices : includes tax / dont include tax"
18:28 francharb if "ordering prices includes tax" means that vendor prices in include tax, what "invoice prices includes tax means"? I know that invoices prices is used for the baskets grouping
18:29 francharb but where are prices recalculated?
18:33 francharb if someone else can help me, i swear i stop harassing rangi ;)
18:38 rangi On receipt
18:39 rangi You get an invoice with the items usually, that may or may not include tax
18:39 francharb which means that vendor price on receipt will be display tax included?
18:40 rangi Yeah on the piece of paper the price might contain tax, or not
18:40 francharb ok
18:40 rangi So when you enter koha can recalculate rrp
18:40 rangi Ie add tax to it if it needs to
18:41 rangi Often the price you order something for and the price you end up paying for it aren't the same
18:41 francharb (rrp is for replacement price right?)
18:42 rangi Yep, recommended retail price
18:42 rangi Usually used as replacement cost
18:42 francharb rangi: for you, arent the same means 'the price changed' or 'it includes taxes or not'?
18:43 rangi not the same it might change as well
18:43 rangi Sometimes it drops
18:43 francharb i'm starting seeing this more clearly...
18:44 rangi Acquisitions is complicated because booksellers all make their own rules :)
18:45 francharb i know! plus, i got the feeling that we only speak prices taxes included while other speak prices before taxes...
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18:46 rangi Yep, it can handle both
18:46 cait hi all
18:46 rangi Hlt being a trust don't pay taxes
18:47 rangi So they want to know the price without tax
18:49 francharb rangi: so when we set up "ordering prices includes tax" it means that we enter in "vendor price" field on a new order taxes included...
18:50 francharb does is calculate the discount on this price or the tax is removed before to calculte the discount on the price before taxes?
18:51 francharb am i clear? ;)
18:51 francharb (hi cait)
18:51 cait hi francharb
18:52 cait I tried to work out the tax calculation - but itreally confused me
18:52 francharb i know, it's not easy at all!
18:52 cait I would think there should be a way to have price including tax being used for the budgeting (commited)
18:52 cait but found now way to make it do that
18:52 cait spent a whole evening on it - but I fear I would have to start anew now
18:52 francharb cait: if i understood what rangi told me
18:53 francharb you can set up the tax rate in the "gist" syspref
18:53 cait right
18:53 cait that will activate the whole thing
18:53 francharb then at the supplier level
18:53 cait there is also a patch from robin to make it work as default
18:53 cait have not checked if it already got in
18:54 francharb you can chose if you want the ordering prices to include taxes or not
18:54 francharb if you choose yes
18:54 cait bug 5186
18:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5186 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, Setting a tax rate of zero for a vendor causes the tax value to become the default
18:54 francharb vendor price that you will enter on your order line is the  price taxes included
18:55 cait would think so
18:55 cait oh battery low, one minute
18:56 cait back
18:56 francharb ok
18:57 cait and when you choose no it should calculate the tax and add the to the price
18:58 francharb right
18:58 cait and subtract from your budget - make it commited
18:58 cait ther eis also the "tax registered" thing
18:58 cait I am not sure what influence it has
18:58 francharb but the thing is, discount should be calculated with prices
18:58 francharb oups
18:58 cait and on top of that hlt has a patch for the calculation thing - I tried it out but it even confused me more
18:59 francharb s/with prices/on prices before taxes
18:59 cait hm
18:59 cait not sure about that
18:59 cait I think we need a diagram :)
18:59 francharb that how it works it france...
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19:00 cait I am not sure how it works here - never really worked in acquisitions for a longer time, so not sure how it is declared on the bills here
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19:00 francharb thats why i wanted to talk about it and see how people work
19:01 druthb_lunch is now known as druthb
19:01 cait hi druthb
19:01 cait I really think we need some examples to work through it
19:01 cait it's quite confusing
19:02 francharb it can be simple like : my book is 100$ (tax included)
19:02 francharb if tax = 10%
19:02 francharb the price is 90$ before tax
19:02 francharb humm
19:03 francharb not sure
19:03 francharb ahaha
19:03 cait 110
19:03 cait and 100
19:03 francharb i need a piece of parer
19:03 cait easier :)
19:03 francharb paper
19:04 francharb ok so :
19:04 francharb 110$ = price taxes included
19:04 francharb 10% = tax
19:04 francharb 100$ = price before taxes
19:04 francharb if you have a 10% discount
19:05 cait 90
19:05 francharb so you calculated the discount on the price before taxes
19:05 cait hm
19:05 francharb 90 + 10% taxes = 99$
19:06 cait because you said so - still not sure about it
19:06 cait this is complicated
19:06 francharb cait: the thing is
19:06 francharb we also have a 99$ book if we apply the discount on the price taxes included
19:07 francharb is our example wrong?
19:07 cait not sure
19:07 cait I could ask at work
19:07 cait how this is supposed to work
19:08 francharb cait: i think its the same actually, the price will be the same
19:08 cait is it still the smae when tax and discount are differnt values?
19:08 francharb but i dont think you have a discount on taxes (this is what happen if you calculate disount on prices tax included)
19:08 cait I doubt it - make tax 5 and discount 10
19:09 cait hm.
19:11 francharb cait, i did it with 5% tax and 10% discount
19:11 francharb and it the same
19:11 cait ok
19:11 cait so it doesn't really matter?
19:11 francharb (god, i need to do some maths...)
19:11 cait hehe
19:11 cait yeah, that was my feeling too after I tried to figure it out
19:12 francharb the result is the same but legally, i don't think we can have discount on taxes...
19:12 francharb so it should be calculated before taxes i think...
19:12 francharb dont mess with taxes! ;)
19:13 cait :)
19:13 cait but we agree that the commited value should be the price including tax if you have to pay taxes, right?
19:13 francharb i think so
19:13 francharb yes
19:14 jcamins francharb: the reason it's the same is that you only pay taxes on the amount you're charged. If you got a 10% rebate or the like, taxes would be higher.
19:16 francharb ok
19:17 cait ah right
19:18 rangi what he said
19:22 francharb now that i got a clearer view, we are going to include multiple taxes rates management and make it accessible on the order line level! wouhou! wish us good luck! ;)
19:22 francharb thanks all!
19:23 cait francharb:
19:23 cait wait :)
19:23 francharb i'm here
19:24 cait there was work done to do this for the discount
19:24 cait also robin
19:24 magnus_away is now known as magnuse
19:24 cait perhaps you want to "copy" his work for tax
19:24 cait that's what I planned to do
19:24 francharb sounds interesting!! do you know where i can get his code?
19:25 cait bug 5173
19:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5173 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, Allow the discount to be editable
19:25 francharb thanks!
19:25 cait no problem
19:25 cait we need this too - I will be happy to test this for you or ask my coworker to test it
19:25 cait just let me know
19:25 francharb that would be cool!
19:26 francharb ok
19:26 mtj morning #koha
19:26 francharb ok, i need to go, dinner is calling! ;)
19:27 francharb have a nice morning/day/evening/whatever !! ;) see you tomorrow!
19:27 francharb bye
19:27 cait bye
19:27 francharb is now known as francharb_away
19:27 cait hi mtj
19:27 magnuse kia ora cait and mtj
19:30 mtj heya magnuse & cait
19:44 rangi spot poll
19:45 rangi should we put the RM sponsorship announcement up on koha-community?
19:45 druthb I say aye.
19:45 rangi slef: im particularly interested in your opinion
19:46 mtj i think so too
19:48 mtj its positive and relevant news, and not company grand-standing
19:49 rangi i hope so too
19:50 druthb I concur with mtj; the kicker, and what I suspect we'll hear something of from slef, is "where is the line?"  when *is* it grand-standing?  Given the type of org he works for (and its' mindset), that's probably somewhere different than where I would define it, for instance.
19:51 rangi i guess it could just go in the newsletter thats out soon
19:52 mtj and hey, if a company is sponsoring RM work, they can grand-stand all they want in my book
19:54 rangi hmmm git go slow today
19:54 rangi or maybe general net go slow
19:57 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]
19:57 rangi nekls have updated libwebcats it looks like
19:57 nengard woo hoo :)
19:59 nengard why does koha  - equinox say (2) after it but not have anything listed on the left?
20:00 nengard does that mean this is their first ILS?
20:00 mtj all going smoothly, i'll be able to add 2 more to that list, by EOB today
20:00 rangi nengard: usually yes
20:00 nengard got it
20:00 nengard clicked through and figured that out :)
20:00 rangi or they have just been added to libwebcats
20:00 rangi with no info on the previous one
20:01 rangi i think marshall might add ones based on press releses
20:01 rangi releases even
20:01 rangi but thats just a guess
20:03 rangi mtj: calyx ones?
20:03 mtj yeah
20:04 rangi sweet
20:07 rangi gmcharlt: about?
20:13 rhcl @seen wizzyrea
20:13 huginn rhcl: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 3 hours and 52 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> all together, I think
20:14 * magnuse agrees with druthb and mtj regarding RM sponsorship on the website
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20:16 rangi ok meeting time
20:20 magnuse sounds like fun...
20:21 nengard git seems to be down
20:21 nengard anyone around that can kick start it?
20:21 * jcamins didn't even try to clone it from his cursed VM. Weird.
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20:23 sekjal I'll give it a kick
20:26 sekjal there we go... should be back
20:27 sekjal hmmm, still seems wicked slow
20:27 sekjal well, maybe just a bit slow... (speeding up as I use it)
20:40 mtj makes an admin request to nabble...
20:40 mtj[…]ss-td6029182.html
20:40 mtj ticks that off the 'to-do' list
20:43 magnuse mtj++
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21:01 jcamins Why does the staff client Results display show the 942c?
21:03 jwagner jcamins, remnant of old Koha setup, I think -- it used to use 942c item type instead of the item record itype
21:03 jwagner OPAC still does that too.
21:06 jwagner And highly annoying it is....
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21:10 sekjal goodnight, #koha
21:10 sekjal left #koha
21:13 cait jwagner: it really is
21:15 jwagner I'm still finding fragments of that 942c hanging around in unlikely places, sigh.
21:16 * cait sends jwagner a cookie
21:16 jwagner mmmmmmmmmmmm
21:19 bg @wunder 93109
21:19 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 15.9�C (1:24 PM PST on February 15, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Falling).
21:19 jcamins @wunder 11375
21:19 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 2.4�C (4:21 PM EST on February 15, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: -17.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027.0 hPa (Rising).
21:20 jcamins :( I prefer California weather, I think.
21:20 bg :)
21:20 jcamins wahanui: jcamins: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York?
21:20 wahanui jcamins: i haven't a clue
21:21 wizzyrea @wunder 66049
21:21 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 11.2�C (3:26 PM CST on February 15, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Steady).
21:23 jwagner @wunder 20740
21:23 huginn jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 6.4�C (4:28 PM EST on February 15, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.38 in 1028.7 hPa (Steady).
21:24 wizzyrea hey 11 is totally tolerable
21:25 magnuse @wunder bodo, norway
21:25 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -9.0�C (10:20 PM CET on February 15, 2011). Conditions: Low Drifting Snow. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -15.0�C. Windchill: -20.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
21:26 space_librarian @wunder wellington, new zealand
21:26 eythian @wunder wellington, new zealand
21:26 huginn space_librarian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (10:00 AM NZDT on February 16, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady).
21:26 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (10:00 AM NZDT on February 16, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady).
21:26 eythian snap
21:27 space_librarian damn! jinxed!
21:27 rhcl @wunder Tromsø, Norway
21:27 huginn rhcl: Error: No such location could be found.
21:28 rhcl yea, well, google maps has
21:29 eythian maybe they're funny about your weird� alphabet
21:29 eythian @wunder Tromso, Norway
21:29 huginn eythian: Error: No such location could be found.
21:29 eythian or perhaps not
21:29 eythian maybe your place just doesn't exist :)
21:30 magnuse i think it does... ;-)
21:30 magnuse @wunder tromsoe, norway
21:30 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
21:30 magnuse hmph
21:31 * jwagner sends magnuse a GPS unit disguised as a cookie
21:31 eythian Yeah, I'm going with "in your imagination" :)
21:31 magnuse @wunder kautokeino, norway
21:31 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Kautokeino, Norway is -36.0�C (7:00 PM CET on February 15, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -38.0�C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Rising).
21:31 eythian balmy
21:31 magnuse jwagner: thanks, hope i remember not to eat it!
21:32 jwagner It's the latest thing in high tech -- edible electronics!
21:32 magnuse looks like kautokeino had -41 last night...
21:33 magnuse time to sleep a little and dream of sunnier climes...
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21:36 rhcl Tromsø is the 9th largest city in Norway. You'd think they would be reporting WX to whatever international exchange wunder is using.
21:37 jcamins @wunder tromso, norway
21:37 huginn jcamins: Error: No such location could be found.
21:43 jcamins @wunder 01025
21:43 huginn jcamins: Error: No such location could be found.
21:44 jcamins @wunder entc
21:44 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Tromso, Norway is -8.0�C (10:20 PM CET on February 15, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -17.0�C. Windchill: -17.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
21:44 jcamins Ha! I knew I'd get it eventually.
21:46 jwagner Planning a visit, jcamins?
21:47 jcamins jwagner: no, rhcl was trying to get the weather.
21:47 jcamins Oh, no, apparently that was magnuse.
21:48 jwagner Everyone blurs together after a while....
21:48 jcamins I just wanted to know how to get the weather in Tromsø.
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21:52 jwagner oh well, time to call it a day... G'night all
21:53 jwagner left #koha
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22:10 jcamins Good night, #koha.
22:11 space_librarian g'night
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23:20 rangi and another meeting
23:20 rangi bbl
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