IRC log for #koha, 2011-01-07

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01:30 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/enh/bug_4820' into kcmaster <[…]b8a62b1e802f89ca8> / Follow-up on fix for Bug 4820, Alter layout of Circulation and fines rules page <[…]28473ab8bdec419d8> / Follow up on fix for Bug 5570, item types not showing on other editions <h
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01:55 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5570 - item types not showing on other editions
01:55 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Follow up on fix for Bug 5570, item types not showing on other editions
01:55 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Follow-up on fix for Bug 4820, Alter layout of Circulation and fines rules page
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04:09 Brooke holy crap it's atz
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04:25 druthb o/
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04:25 druthb hi, Brooke. :)
04:31 Brooke http://americanlibrariesmagazi[…]on-ripe-rebellion
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04:45 Amit heya Brooke
04:45 Brooke :)
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06:47 kf good morning #koha
06:47 brendan_2 hiya kf
06:48 kf hi brendan_2 - happy new year! :)
06:48 brendan_2 you too :)
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07:19 kf morning francharb
07:20 francharb morning kf
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07:32 Amit heya kf
07:32 kf hi Amit
07:32 kf happy new year :)
07:32 Amit kf: same to u dear ;)
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07:33 kf ata marie magnus
07:33 magnus ata marie and welcome back, kf ;-)
07:34 paul_p good morning everybody !
07:34 paul_p hi brendan and brendan_2. And happy new year !
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07:34 paul_p does anyone know why you cant type opening parenthesis or the amp; on mibbit ?
07:34 kf morning paul_p
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07:35 Amit heya paul_p, magnus
07:38 magnus hiya paul_p, pianohack, sophie_m and Amit
07:38 sophie_m Hello
07:38 ibot hola, sophie_m
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07:39 parenth paul_p: & ( )
07:40 magnus hm, that seems to work for me (as parenth) - with FF on Ubuntu
07:40 paul_p hey... when I type on the key on the keyboard, nothing happends ! bloody french-keyboard support on mibbit [I never had this problem before]
07:41 magnus that is strange!
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07:42 paul_p2 ()& hey, it's a problem with chrome !
07:43 paul_p2 staying on firefox for this channel ;-)[…]s/detail?id=61918
07:43 paul_p bye bye world !
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07:43 paul_p hello world :D
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07:45 magnus wb paul_p and pianohack ;-)
07:45 pianohack bleh, actually, should disconnect, messing with wifi
07:45 pianohack Hi, though, have a good evening :)
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07:59 kf morning hdl
08:01 hdl hi kf
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10:35 kf hi Oak
10:35 Oak heya kf
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12:11 jcamins Good morning, #koha
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12:18 druthb :) g'mornin'.
12:20 jcamins Hello, druthb.
12:20 druthb hi, jcamins.  :D
12:28 magnus hiya druthb and jcamins
12:28 druthb hi, magnus!
12:28 jcamins Hello, magnus.
12:33 magnus @wunder bodo, norway
12:33 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -4.0�C (1:20 PM CET on January 07, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -11.0�C. Windchill: -13.0�C. Pressure: 29.30 in 992 hPa (Steady).
12:33 druthb brrrr.  it's cold here, but not that cold.
12:33 druthb @wunder 20852
12:33 munin druthb: The current temperature in Woodley Gardens, Rockville, Maryland is -1.4�C (7:30 AM EST on January 07, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.38 in 994.8 hPa (Steady).
12:33 magnus time to light a fire in the fireplace and make some lunch...
12:38 kf good morning druthb and jcamins
12:38 jcamins Good morning, kf.
12:38 druthb hi, kf!  :)
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13:01 nengard oops, opened XChat but got distracted with work and forgot to log in :)
13:02 nengard morning all
13:02 druthb hi, nengard! :)
13:02 kf hi nengard :)
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13:28 nengard hiya owen
13:28 owen Hi
13:28 druthb howdy, Owen! :)
13:29 kf hi owen )
13:33 magnus hiya owen and nengard
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13:42 magnus kia ora jwagner
13:42 jwagner kia ora, magnus!
13:44 kf morning jwagner
13:50 jwagner Guten tag, kf
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13:52 thd slef: are you here?
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13:57 thd slef: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for type=A: Host found but no data record of requested type
14:02 owen @later tell hdl Getting some search errors while testing origin/new/awaiting_qa/enh/bug_5584
14:02 munin owen: The operation succeeded.
14:05 owen nengard: Bug 5590 refers to the OPAC or the staff client?
14:05 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5590 major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, error message on holds not consistent
14:05 nengard sorry, opac
14:07 * owen is frustrated with OPAC holds errors too
14:08 * owen fixed some, but still there are problems
14:08 atz greetings from my new cubespace deep in the post-industrial facilities of the State Library of Ohio
14:08 kf hi atz
14:09 owen Hi atz, congratulations
14:09 atz thx, owen
14:09 jwagner welcome back atz
14:09 atz good to see the channel is well populated
14:09 owen And some of those people are actually here!
14:10 atz even better!
14:11 owen atz: Do you get to do anything fun in your cubespace?
14:12 atz just started around xmas
14:12 atz i've been looking at the debian/ubuntu packaging that Lars started.
14:12 magnus hi atz
14:12 jwagner Does cubespace equal gamecube?
14:12 atz greets magnus
14:12 magnus yay!
14:13 atz no gamecube here yet... but we do have some big monitors that it would look good on  :)
14:13 atz i can see Lars apt repo, but i haven't been able to find if he was running the process off of git behind that?
14:15 larsw atz, everything I did got committed into a git repo, probably on, but anything I did was in May or earlier, and Robin's been maintaining it since, I don't know where he does stuff
14:16 atz larsw, ah, ok.... i'll start poking around there.   i think some of the things that were documented as not being packaged yet are now packaged
14:16 jcamins atz: everything is packaged now, I think.
14:18 magnus atz: i think you want to have a little chat with robin when he wakes up ;-)
14:18 larsw by May, all Koha dependencies were packaged, and the packages were in Debian squeeze; I assume that is still the state
14:18 larsw becuase if Koha has added dependencies, I assume Robin's his usual awesome self and has created packages for them :)
14:20 atz yeah, i'm looking at extending the packaging for ubuntu
14:21 atz still new at it though
14:23 larsw what kind of extending?
14:24 jcamins atz: everything's already been packaged for Ubuntu.
14:24 jcamins See packages.maverick.
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14:27 atz oh?  let me try it again then...
14:28 jcamins I think the file name is packages.maverick.
14:31 sekjal morning, atz, jcamins!
14:32 jcamins Good morning, sekjal.
14:32 atz[…]c/ubuntu.packages  # was what I was looking at
14:32 jcamins atz: install_misc/ubuntu_maverick.packages
14:43 nengard owen i got more info on that 530 issue and it looks like an enhancement request - so i'm going to put it in as such
14:44 thd atz: Do you have any names and telephone numbers for GPLS people who could be appropriate to contact about clarifying the copyright license invocation for OpenNCIP / Open SIP 2 code?
14:44 gmcharlt good morning
14:45 gmcharlt thd: the OpenNCIP code's original copyright belongs to GPLS
14:46 atz thd: David Fiander is the person I had contact with.
14:46 thd gmcharlt: Yes, I am asking who to contact at GPLS about OpenNCIP copyright.
14:46 thd atz: Do you have a telephone number for him?
14:46 atz let me check old email...
14:47 gmcharlt David Fiander was a contractor doing work for hire
14:47 gmcharlt either on behalf of Equinox or GPLS directly, not sure which
14:47 gmcharlt please send me an email and I will follow up
14:48 thd gmcharlt: I posted an email to the Koha list.  I will forward you a copy.
14:48 hdl hi owen
14:48 owen Hi hdl
14:49 hdl hi reserves are a pain. We fixed some things.
14:50 hdl But our master also has some problems because we introduced reserves->{reservenumber}
14:50 hdl And we have to fix that.
14:50 hdl hi atz
14:50 atz greets hdl
14:50 hdl Happy new year (Great to see you here)
14:50 hdl Welcome
14:50 atz indeed, happy to be back around
14:51 owen hdl: Errors when testing the origin/new/awaiting_qa/enh/bug_5584 branch
14:52 owen (what bot failed to catch that paste, or am I pasting in the wrong place?)
14:58 paul_p 'morning owen
14:58 hdl owen: paul_p is the bot
14:58 owen :)
14:59 hdl owen: too many rebase kill the work
14:59 paul_p could you add this to bug 5584 pls ? i'll try to fix i asap (not today : a customer has a server gone dead, going to reinstall koha :\
14:59 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5584 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, BibLibre OPAC improvements for 3.4
15:01 kf jcamins++
15:01 owen Okay paul_p, done.
15:01 thd gmcharlt: message forwarded
15:01 paul_p owen++
15:01 paul_p (as usual ;-) )
15:01 gmcharlt thd: thanks
15:01 kf jcamins++ for spending time with me talking about analytics ;)
15:01 kf ok, gone for today! bye all :)
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15:02 thd gmcharlt: I think it is well worth resolving the OpenNCIP license issue before a ballot on license upgrade to not confuse the issue for the ballot.
15:03 thd s/ballot on/ballot on Koha/
15:03 gmcharlt or rip out the copy of OpenNCIP code and write a proper SIP2 driver
15:04 gmcharlt which would be a way of avoiding the issue and gaining a technical boon in the form of better modularity
15:04 thd gmcharlt: Yes, that is an option but I do not know how much work that would be.
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15:05 thd gmcharlt: atz had reported that he was modifying the code already in Koha for work which he was doing as opposed to starting over.
15:05 gmcharlt no real problem with that, but that only delays breaking the SIP2 library back out
15:06 owen I added a page on using git cherry-pick:[…]g_Git_Cherry_Pick
15:06 owen I would appreciate edits from anyone who knows better!
15:06 owen nengard: That's the process I followed to test Harley branches
15:06 nengard thanks owen!!
15:08 jcamins Is there no primary key on the issues table?
15:09 thd gmcharlt: If the problematic code could be cleanly separated and used with standard communication protocols that might help but our hands are dirty modifying the upstream code which could then encumber  us with the license invocation complication.
15:09 atz gmcharlt: actually that recent patch was to harmonize w/ existing sipserver repo.
15:09 gmcharlt atz: ah, cool
15:09 thd atz: Does the code work well?
15:10 gmcharlt thd: OpenNCIP was designed to allow that, the main issue now is to merge back any enhancements add to the Koha fork
15:10 atz gmcharlt: in fact, many of the Koha enhancements were already added when I did SIP work at ESI
15:11 thd atz: Are people using the version in Koha in production to your knowledge?
15:11 atz that was what prompted me to put sipserver in a git repo
15:11 atz thd: they are not using the sipserver repo code.  they are using the patched version as submitted.
15:12 gmcharlt thd: there are rather a lot of Koha libraries using the forked copy of the SIP2 code
15:12 gmcharlt as, well, that's what's immediately available
15:12 atz right
15:12 wizzyrea atz! hi!
15:13 atz i have an old communication w/ d.fiander where we discuss some long-term goals for the code.  it will require major changes (to namespace)
15:14 thd gmcharlt: If the code in Koha was somehow unfinished or too buggy to actually use then there might be a reason to drop the code from Koha pending resolution of the license invocation issue but as you explained that is not the case.
15:14 gmcharlt thd: right; general reworking of OpenNCIP aside, the current need as far as Koha is concerned is basically just a big merge
15:15 thd gmcharlt: What would be merged with what?
15:16 gmcharlt thd: the fork of OpenNCIP embedded in Koha with the separate OpenNCIP library
15:16 jcamins Is there any valid instance when you should be able to have the same item checked out to more than one patron?
15:16 * owen can't imagine there is
15:16 wizzyrea !!
15:17 * wizzyrea can't think of any reason either
15:17 gmcharlt jcamins: certainly not for physical items
15:17 thd gmcharlt: Would that then separate the OpenNCIP code from Koha as a separate program?
15:17 jcamins wizzyrea: that was my response too.
15:17 wizzyrea unless it's a parent/child
15:17 atz gmcharlt: that was the approach i was taking (though limited)
15:18 gmcharlt thd: it would have the effect of making the OpenNCIP code be treated as a separate library for licensing purposes
15:18 wizzyrea biblibre has some code that shows a child's checkouts on the guarantor's account
15:18 wizzyrea so it *looks* like it's checked out to two people
15:19 thd gmcharlt: Maybe that would resolve the problem, however, if we had our own specially modified version of MySQL, then we would have the same GPL 2 only encumbrance.
15:20 jwagner jcamins, Unicorn does have the ability to check items out to more than one person at a time, and there are rare situations when it is used
15:20 gmcharlt I assume that "specifically modified version of MySQL" is a hypothetical?
15:20 thd gmcharlt: We are assuredly safe in the MySQL case because we have not modified the MySQL code.
15:20 atz i really don't think we should be messing w/ mysql code.
15:21 jcamins jwagner: darn!
15:21 thd gmcharlt atz: Just a hypothetical example.
15:21 gmcharlt right, let's send *that* digression right out ;)
15:22 owen jwagner: You can probably cite any possible example of ridiculous functionality by referring to a proprietary ILS
15:22 jwagner jcamins, that doesn't mean it's a good idea, or that Koha should do it :-)
15:22 thd gmcharlt atz: MySQL was the example for which I had obtained the opinion of lawyers at the Software Freedom Law Center.
15:22 jwagner Just wanted to point it out...
15:22 owen jwagner: This we know becaues of the enhancement requests we get from those migrating customers!
15:23 jwagner yep...
15:23 atz "why would you do such a crazy thing?"
15:23 jwagner "because it's our library board's policy and We Must Do It"
15:23 thd atz: What we should avoid is a special API unique to Koha for communicating with OpenNCIP.
15:24 thd atz: A special Koha only API may not qualify as a standard communication protocol for distinguishing two separate programs .
15:26 atz right now it isn't very separate...
15:26 thd A standard communication protocol is one of the program distinguishing tests given in the GPL FAQ.
15:27 atz but it will evolve to be more distinct
15:28 rhcl Would it be relevant to mention Kyle Hall's direct connection from libki to Koha for login authentication?
15:28 thd Not all the answers in the GPL FAQ were given or vetted by lawyers but the ones mentioning issues such as standard communication protocol most likely have been approved by lawyers.
15:28 sekjal jcamins:  wow, getting in late on this one, sorry.....
15:28 sekjal jcamins:  no, no primary key in issues table.  and no, you should never have the same item checked out to two different borrowers at the same time
15:29 jcamins sekjal: that was my feeling as well.
15:30 sekjal any situation where we may want it to look like an item is checked out to two different people should be dealt with using some kind of higher level logic/script, not multiple, confusing db entries
15:30 atz sekjal: indeed, don't mess up the data
15:31 jcamins Agreed.
15:31 sekjal now reserves... there's a table that needs a primary key column
15:31 sekjal and, as I recall, BibLibre has done just that, with some mixed results
15:31 jcamins Perhaps I'll e-mail koha-devel proposing that issues should have a UNIQUE index on itemnumber.
15:31 thd gmcharlt: I like someone explain to whoever is responsible at GPLS that using GPL + is no problem because even if we upgrade Koha as a whole collection of files to AGL 3 + or GPL 3 + it would be polite to retain the original licenses of third party software included in Koha.
15:32 gmcharlt thd: I doubt that the folks are GPLS are going to object, but they likely will have to get their own lawyers to sign off, which would be time consuming
15:33 thd gmcharlt: Have them talk to lawyers at the Software Freedom Law Center
15:33 gmcharlt and, frankly, it's is not something they're likely to consider a high priority to act quickly on
15:34 thd gmcharlt: We may have to delay the ballot issue until Koha 3.6 lacking some other resolution.
15:34 atz yeah, i expect in months they'd eventually say "Ok, whatever"...
15:35 atz but they aren't really accustomed to making such decisions
15:35 magnus GPLS = Georgia Public Library Service?
15:35 gmcharlt magnus: right
15:35 atz "system"
15:35 thd atz: Are the lawyers not accustomed to making legal decisions?
15:35 magnus thanks
15:35 atz thd: they don't write and release a lot of software
15:36 gmcharlt atz: umm, "Service"
15:36 atz gmcharlt: rly?  maybe i'm just crazy
15:36 thd atz: SFLC lawyers are accustomed to explaining the issue to other lawyers, however, they are also accustomed to being patient :)
15:36 gmcharlt atz: that's what it says right on their website
15:37 atz so it does
15:41 atz seems to think it's a system:[…]_50553103,00.html  (crediblility diminished w/ a broken link)
15:41 atz so i share the confusion w/ many
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15:45 owen jwagner: PTFS's fix for Bug 4241 could probably be accepted if the bug I comment on could be resolved.
15:45 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4241 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED, Add lost/claims returned displays to patron record
15:45 owen The comment about deleted items not appearing in the list
15:45 owen Maybe wizzyrea can confirm whether this bug exists in her production system
15:47 wizzyrea hmmm
15:47 jwagner owen, in mtg right now, will look in a bit
15:48 owen wizzyrea: The question is, when a lost item is deleted, does it still show up in the patron's list of lost items?
15:48 owen (hard to test in production!)
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15:52 cait hi #koha
15:52 druthb hi, cait! :)
15:54 wizzyrea It still works that way in our production install owen
15:54 wizzyrea it removes a deleted lost item from the list of lost items
15:54 wizzyrea
15:54 slef hi all
15:55 slef I'm seeing a problem with koha not displaying URLs returned by C4::Biblio::GetMarcURLs() that I'm sure I've seen before, but I haven't found it in bugs or the mailing lists.  Can anyone remember why this happens?
15:56 owen Thanks for checking wizzyrea
15:56 wizzyrea yvw
16:00 slef What really puzzles me here is the record that doesn't display URLs or Subjects looks much richer than the one which does.
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16:01 owen slef: Is it a record we could grab via z39.50 to see for ourselves?
16:04 slef owen: I have what I think is an OCLC number.  Would that work?
16:04 slef (OCoLC)ocm01569649
16:06 owen Doesn't help me, sorry.
16:06 slef I can send you the record as XML or MARC.  Where to?
16:07 owen Send MARC to
16:10 slef sent, thanks
16:10 * cait waves to slep
16:10 cait slef
16:11 thd slef: Is working correctly?
16:11 owen Got it.
16:12 slef thd: as far as I know.  Why?
16:12 thd slef: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for type=A: Host found but no data record of requested type
16:12 slef thd: ooh, crikey
16:12 slef let me ask them
16:12 thd slef: that is the message I had when my koha list message to you bounced
16:13 slef mentions "An update is due around midday 31st December"
16:13 slef which isn't a good sign
16:13 slef thd: can you forward me the error at work, please?  address being msg'd to you
16:13 thd slef: I might guess that the complaint is about no MX record
16:14 slef well, it looks like it's a complaint about a missing A record
16:14 slef " A record currently not present"
16:14 slef I can see it too. :-/
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16:17 jwagner owen, I see the comment you mean but am tied up today; I won't have a chance to look at it closely.  I'll try to get to it next week. Thanks.
16:17 owen slef: I'm seeing a URL displayed in that record both in the OPAC and the staff client
16:18 slef owen: using default normal views?
16:19 owen Let's see... default normal view in the staff client, XSLT view in the OPAC
16:19 slef well, the problem site keeps using normal view in OPAC although we've suggested they change
16:20 slef I'll see if I can try it on another server :-/
16:20 slef but no-one remembers this problem?
16:20 owen Switched to normal, still see the URL
16:20 slef 3.2?
16:20 ibot somebody said 3.2 was a stable version and is not supposed to have entering a lot of new syspref
16:21 owen latest from git
16:21 owen master
16:21 slef I'll look at git log on some opac-detail files and see if there's any relevant fix.
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16:22 slef At least it narrows it down.
16:23 slef Thanks.
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16:36 jcamins Does Koha mark patrons as expired in any way?
16:37 owen It doesn't mark them, but patron records have an expiration date
16:37 owen Circulation warns you if they are expired.
16:38 slef oh heck... our demo (still 3.0.5... must upgrade) displays it correctly :-(
16:38 jcamins Okay, so there would be no way to indicate if, for example, a card was lost.
16:38 slef Actually, I wonder why the demo is running 3.0.5 and not the same code as teh client library.  Time to investigate :-/
16:39 cait jcamisn: you can block the patron card lost
16:40 jcamins cait: how would I know if that had been done?
16:40 * cait thiks
16:40 cait it's a field in the borrowers table
16:40 cait like gonenoaddress
16:41 slef the demo is running the same code... argh
16:41 slef must be a configuration or syspref difference
16:42 owen cait is right. You can edit the patron record to set that flag
16:42 cait it's on the bottom of the huge edit screen for borrowers
16:42 jcamins Ah, yep. I see it.
16:43 owen lost is the field in the database I think
16:43 jcamins Thanks.
16:43 cait you are welcome :)
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16:49 sekjal did anyone have any issues with fines accrual over the new year?  like items due in Dec, but returned in Jan not having incremental increases for the days in 2011?
16:50 owen I hear atz is also available for felling vast stands of timber:[…]/January#NewStaff
16:51 atz :)
16:51 slef sekjal: I've had no reports yet, but I'm not sure if we would get them or if they'd just fix them themselves, report to us later.
16:52 sekjal thanks, slef.  I figured  it was easier for me to ask here than to try to read the code before lunch
16:52 cait nothing you want to read before lunch ;)
16:53 cait sekjal: we don't use fines yet
16:53 cait first library starting next week
16:53 cait fines and notices... hope I get it set up correctly
16:53 cait easy to miss something
16:53 sekjal yeah
16:54 cait sekjal: have you checked the holidays?
16:54 sekjal in the alternate reality where I have free time, I'm working on a rewrite of both Accounts and Notices that will make these jobs vastly easier
16:54 sekjal cait:  yes, I checked the calendar... not a problem there
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16:54 cait hm.
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16:54 hdl sekjal: you forgot reserves ;)
16:54 cait hehe
16:55 cait and patron accounts ;)
16:55 sekjal hdl:  that's actually happening
16:55 hdl Are you rewriting that ?
16:55 sekjal got a spec started, working on getting funding
16:55 sekjal probably won't be writing it all myself (it's a big job), but the wheels are in motion
16:55 hdl Where is the spec ?
16:56 hdl We also have somme wheels in motion.
16:56 sekjal still in draft... but I can get it cleaned up and on the wiki
16:59 magnus on_the_wiki++ # ;-)
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17:16 drulm hello
17:16 ibot hi, drulm
17:16 drulm any gurus here today?
17:17 drulm looking at : misc/migration_tools/    Does: Updates biblio data with changes to authorities records    Required by: dontmerge system preference
17:18 drulm Wondering if it does the following:  Updates biblioitems.marc for any authority records which have changed data ex: in the 100 field, etc.
17:18 drulm It sounds like it does this in the docs, but ... :)
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17:22 sekjal drulm:  it should do that, yes.  couldn't get a clear answer out of reading the code,though, as to whether it really does
17:23 drulm It is calling
17:23 drulm I guess I could just run it and try....
17:24 drulm - ker-blammo -
17:24 drulm :0   :)
17:24 drulm ... on the test machine
17:27 drulm misc/migration_tools/ -b -n -v
17:27 drulm ??"?
17:29 sekjal drulm:  not sure....
17:29 ibot not sure are you using git?
17:29 sekjal seriously, ibot?
17:29 ibot sekjal: i'm not following you...
17:29 sekjal I can tell
17:30 jcamins ibot: forget not sure
17:30 ibot jcamins: I forgot not sure
17:30 drulm Tried it, didn't do anything
17:30 sekjal drulm:  do you have records in $SOMEWHERE/tmp/modified_authorities
17:30 drulm sekjal: hmmm
17:31 drulm probably not
17:31 drulm sekjal: how do I put them there?
17:31 drulm sekjal: how do I put them there?
17:31 drulm (whoops) hit twice sorry
17:31 sekjal system should be automatically generating them depending on your dontmerge system preference
17:32 drulm Ah, sys pref! King!
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17:39 drulm sekjal: Great ghosts Batman it worked. Thanks! I had to enable writing for that directory
17:40 sekjal drulm:  great!
17:41 drulm sekjal: Well, knowing is 1/2 the battle --- and that's one to grow on.
17:44 drulm Thank you
17:45 sekjal you're welcome.  thanks for testing and providing feedback
17:45 owen And we all know what the other half is:[…]UtOWFrQo1_400.jpg
17:47 drulm I am afraid to look :)
17:47 owen Safe for work
17:47 drulm owen: (of course)
17:47 drulm owen: Yes, that is exactly what I was thinking of !  Ha!
17:49 drulm ok, coffee break - Thanks!
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18:07 atz hmmm... the script doesn't seem to really understand $VERSION numbers
18:08 atz for example, it says Graphics::Magick needs updated from 1.3.12  to 1.3.5
18:09 magnus oops
18:19 atz looks like we just do:  $params{'module'}->VERSION lt $PERL_DEPS->{$params{'module'}}->{'min_ver'}
18:19 atz so that won't do it
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18:28 * magnus wishes #koha a wonderful weekend
18:29 neng_food is now known as nengard
18:29 nengard you too magnus
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18:33 rhcl Well, OK sports fans. It looks like we will be presenting on Koha at the spring state tech conference. Welcome any comments or suggestions....
18:33 rhcl[…]/2011-03-18T08:15
18:42 chris_n atz: open a bug and assign it to me, if you like
18:43 atz sounds good
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19:04 chris morning
19:05 druthb hi, chris! :)
19:12 owen select sum(replacementprice) from items where itemlost > 0;
19:12 owen Answer: Ouch!
19:18 nengard uh oh
19:18 nengard lots of lost books?
19:19 owen Granted, our data goes back to 1997. But yeah, ouch.
19:29 jcamins Is there any way to automatically change the location of an item when it is checked in?
19:30 owen Normally Koha changes the holding branch to the checkin location
19:30 owen You were thinking of something different?
19:30 jcamins Yes, and it wasn't what I asked about.
19:30 jcamins Let me try that question again, this time using words that relate to what I want to know. ;)
19:31 jcamins Are there any fields in the item record on Koha that change when an item is checked in.
19:32 sekjal jcamins:  items.holdingbranch and items.onloan come to mind
19:32 sekjal I don't think there are any others
19:32 chris datelastseen
19:32 sekjal oh, right
19:33 jcamins Okay, thanks.
19:33 sekjal it's been one of those "I forgot about datelastseen" kinda days
19:39 jwagner nengard, online?
19:39 nengard yes
19:40 jwagner One of my new sites wants to suggest some revised wording to the manual.  How's the best way to handle that, now that you're doing it through git?
19:40 jwagner They don't have git functionality.
19:40 jwagner They can't just edit in the wiki, correct?
19:41 nengard you can submit a patch to the manual for them or you can tell them to email me their suggestions
19:41 nengard and I'll make them next time I edit the manual
19:41 jwagner OK, I'll run that by them. Thanks.
19:44 nengard has anyone noticed that patron attribute types aren't searchable even if you check the 'searchable' box? I know it used to work, looking for confirmation that it's a bug (or not a bug)
19:44 owen jwagner: You refer your clients to ?
19:45 nengard jwagner make sure you update the right manual there is a 3.2 and a 3.4, so I need to know which one they're using and if you write the patch for them then you need to update the right XML file
19:46 nengard wizzyrea is there a timeline on getting the 3.4 manual up on the site? and/or updating the 3.2? It's a bit out of date
19:46 * owen wonders why still exists
19:47 nengard iono - but i never finished that manual anyway - if you can ever call a manual finished
19:47 larsw a manual is finished when the software will never have no more users
19:50 nengard anyone know about my patron search issue?
19:50 chris larsw++
19:51 owen nengard: Where are patron attribute types searchable?
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19:51 nengard they used to be searchable in the patron search box
19:52 nengard if you checked the 'searchable' box when creating them
19:52 nengard them being the attributes
19:53 jwagner nengard and owen, that was the first problem -- they were trying to create a login to update the old manual.  I'll talk about options with them.
19:53 jwagner nengard, they're searchable on my systems.
19:53 owen nengard: It would show up in the expanded options after clicking the [+] ?
19:54 nengard no owen, you just typed in the box and it searched
19:54 nengard even though the box says 'name or barcode' if you put a attribute value in there it worked too
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19:55 nengard jwagner, we have no control over the old site - you'll have to ask someone at LL to let them into that - the 3.2 and 3.4 manuals are in git and available to all for updating
19:55 nengard owen this was before there was a [+] even added
19:55 nengard when it was originally developed
19:55 owen I didn't know that nengard. It's not working for me though.
19:55 nengard doc manager knows it all :) hehe
19:56 nengard I'll report a bug
19:56 owen nengard: You were smart enough to see that "Searchable" checkbox and wonder what it did!
19:56 nengard it's my job
19:56 * owen let is slide on past
19:56 nengard got to document what each thing does
20:07 jwagner nengard, yes I know the old site isn't current :-)
20:07 jwagner That's why I was trying to see what the current procedure should be.  They want to amplify the description of how one of the sysprefs works.
20:08 jwagner I need to check what they want first -- I'll have them send it to me.
20:08 owen jwagner: May I suggest that section (at the very least) be taken down?
20:08 nengard okey dokey, i have updated a lot of sys prefs recently they're just not up on the site yet, waiting for wizzyrea to push them out there
20:08 jwagner I'll pass it on to the web folks.  But people do refer to the older manuals -- are they available on the new site?
20:10 owen jwagner: PTFS/Liblime owns the copyright to the manual on and threatens legal action against those who try to reproduce it
20:11 chris except the wayne state one, which is licensed under gpl so we have that one on koha-community
20:11 chris the other one is old and wrong tho, so not having it, isnt a bad thing
20:11 nengard yes that is the one i integrated into the 3.2 manual recently
20:12 jwagner OK, I'll talk to the web folks.  When I have some mythical free time.  The other one is still moderately accurate if you're running the older code, though.
20:12 owen The closest thing to a Harley manual?
20:12 chris easy fix for that, put it under a license that allows reuse, and the bits that are accurate can be used, and the wrong bits fixed :)
20:14 jwagner No, not Harley.  There are still sites (not just some of ours) running the old 3.x code
20:14 jwagner We have our own release notes for Harley which is separate.
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20:58 wizzyrea nengard you're keeping 3.4 manual in master, correct?
20:59 wizzyrea and 3.2 is in 3.2.x
20:59 wizzyrea right?
20:59 nengard right
20:59 sekjal anyone know if Koha already has a commandline biblio MARC export tool?
20:59 sekjal I can't find one
21:02 chris -k
21:03 chris is what i use to dump the whole db in marc format if i need to
21:03 chris you could easily take the bit that exports the marc from there and put it in its own script
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21:05 sekjal chris:  very interesting
21:05 sekjal can you specify where the file is dumped?
21:06 chris yeah
21:06 chris -d
21:06 sekjal nice
21:08 jcamins Does anyone know know what "EXPR:at pos 10: non-initialized variable dateformat" means?
21:09 owen It means don't use TMPL EXPR :)
21:09 chris yes
21:09 jcamins Oh, that's a template error?
21:09 chris yeah its warn
21:10 chris not an actual error, but it clutters up the long
21:10 chris log
21:10 chris the problem with TMPL EXPR is you cant ever use it with a value that might be empty
21:10 chris or it does that
21:11 chris its the equiv of a perl warn when you do an if on an uninitialised variable
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21:27 owen Have, or continue to have a good weekend everyone
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21:58 chris heya Nate
21:58 Nate Hiya Chris
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22:00 Nate We are in the CEO roundtable discussion room now, should be a good one
22:00 chris ahh cool
22:00 chris i was hoping someone would be doing commentary :)
22:02 cait ah, is there a conf?
22:03 chris yep ala midwinter
22:05 cait ah
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22:08 jcamins chris: chris[…]DFFD229D&index=45
22:11 chris :)
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22:13 chris Nate: who all is on the panel?
22:13 Nate iii
22:13 Nate TLC
22:13 Nate VTLS
22:14 Nate PTFS
22:14 Nate Autographice
22:14 Nate OCLC
22:14 Nate EX Libris
22:14 Nate ESI (woo hoo :) )
22:14 chris :)
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22:16 chris should be a good discussion
22:16 chris glad ESI is there to represent open source
22:17 Nate def
22:17 Nate Grace is their rep
22:18 chris cool
22:19 chris no sirsi dynix eh?
22:33 Nate yes I forgot them, they are on the end of the table :)
22:33 chris everyone forgets them, specially when choosing who to migrate to :)
22:38 hdl @later tell sekjal in order to make rebuild_zebra more handy for zebra indexing, we have added some options such as --where "biblionumber>123 and  biblio< 456 "
22:38 munin hdl: The operation succeeded.
22:38 hdl @
22:39 hdl @later tell sekjal it is in BibLibre-various branch in
22:39 munin hdl: The operation succeeded.
22:40 jcamins @wunder goleta, ca
22:40 munin jcamins: The current temperature in Foothill Open Space, Santa Barbara, California is 15.4�C (2:35 PM PST on January 07, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Steady).
22:40 hdl @later tell sekjal feel free to take that.[…]fa6d2d9beaf9af443
22:40 munin hdl: The operation succeeded.
22:40 hdl @later tell sekjal hope that helps
22:40 munin hdl: The operation succeeded.
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