IRC log for #koha, 2011-01-06

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00:00 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 4950 - checkbox should be removed when can't place a hold <[…]74d04b858b78c4eae>
00:01 hudsonbot Starting build 264 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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00:03 chris[…]getting-it-right/
00:08 * gmcharlt read that initially as "open source community is building a guide to getting it right", and wondered what the scope of "getting it right" could be
00:08 chris heh
00:08 chris the joining a community is pretty bang on
00:24 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #264: SUCCESS in 22 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/264/
00:24 hudsonbot Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 4950 - checkbox should be removed when can't place a hold
00:27 russ chris: that is a good, well referenced article
00:32 chris yep, pointed at by glynn moody, via david friggens
00:39 richard heya russ
00:41 russ howdy
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01:01 druthb o/
01:01 chris heya druthb
01:02 chris while australia are busy being thrashed by england, its the perfect time to watch
01:02 chris
01:11 robin does it contain the ultimate TV cricket experience? Slow motion replays of people walking away.
01:12 chris heh
01:26 druthb nice video!
01:31 ricardo I have to go to sleep now. Take care!  :)
01:32 chris cya ricardo
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02:14 thd chris are you present?
02:15 chris yep
02:15 thd chris: Are you one of the moderators who can approve my koha mailing list message with too many recipients?
02:15 chris which list
02:16 chris if its the main one, then yes
02:16 thd the koha list yes
02:16 chris done
02:16 thd How many recipients is too many?
02:16 chris about 5
02:17 chris it actually catches a lot of spam
02:17 thd I have exactly 5 including the list itself.
02:17 chris must be 4 then :)
02:17 chris currently it catches people who have had their gmail account owned
02:18 chris and are sending messages saying they are in spain and have lost their passport
02:19 thd I wanted to be certain to give specific attention to two principle opposing advocates and two concerned parties for the OpenNCIP / SIP 2 code issue.
02:19 chris right
02:19 thd opposing meaning on opposite sides from each other.
02:20 thd chris_n: had been the strongest advocate of some upgrade aside from myself.
02:20 chris i want agpl3
02:20 chris but will settle for gpl3
02:21 chris and the patent protection it contains
02:21 chris but i dont want to stay gpl2
02:21 thd Compromise is immoral :)
02:21 thd The patent protection is quite weak
02:22 chris its stronger than what we have now
02:24 robin oh, reminds me. I'm in Spain and I've lost my passport.
02:25 chris heh
02:35 druthb My new gig is as a government official in Nigeria.  We're trying to transfer money out of the country, you see, to keep it safe from politcal upheaval.  If you help us, you can keep some! :)
02:37 robin druthb: Chris is already busy doing that for some relation of his.
02:38 druthb ;-)
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03:06 Brooke kia ora
03:06 robin g'day
03:06 Brooke how fare ye?
03:07 chris hiya Brooke
03:07 robin good enough for needing a nap.
03:07 Brooke is it opposite day?
03:08 robin yes? no? what's the right answer?
03:08 Brooke whatever one matches good enough for a nap
03:08 Brooke since in my world bad day = nap/
03:09 robin oh. I meant that it's good, but a nap for a few hours would improve it some.
03:09 druthb hi, Brooke! :)
03:09 * Brooke nods to druthb
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03:40 Amit heya all
03:40 druthb hi, Amit! :)
03:41 Amit hi druthb
03:42 * Brooke waves at amit.
03:43 Amit heya Brooke
03:44 * Brooke does not want to hazard a guess at the goings on downstairs.
03:44 Brooke it *sounds* like plumbing
03:44 Brooke but there's a bit of sawing
03:44 Brooke and a bit of chat....
03:47 druthb a bit late for plumbing activity, other than emergencies, I'd think.
03:51 Brooke then I certainly don't wish to know what's metal and being sawed through...
03:51 * Brooke thinks the word we were missing earlier was "Tenet" or "Tenets"
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04:37 druthb hi, Oak! :)
04:37 Oak hiya druthb :)
04:38 Oak \o
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05:40 sunitab i would like to generate a report where it will list all titles and copies of those titles hw to generate that report
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06:48 hdl sunitab: use the report tool and create an SQL request
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07:01 francharb hello all
07:02 Oak hello francharb
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07:58 magnus kia ora hdl and #koha
07:59 hdl hi magnus
08:04 Amit hi hdl
08:04 hdl hi Amit.
08:05 hdl Have you received my email.
08:05 hdl I thought I had sent it on 24th December.
08:05 Amit yes rec ur mail
08:05 Amit but in french
08:05 hdl I know it would require translation. It will be done.
08:05 Amit hmm
08:06 hdl I will try to send it today.
08:07 hdl I have tried with google translate. I have the text. Just need to make that fit
08:07 hdl (at least for acquisitions.)
08:08 hdl mainly : purpose is to add Invoice management.
08:08 hdl And search on data wherever possible
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08:41 sunitab hi hdl i tried but didnt get can u tell me what fields tobe added
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08:42 cait morning #koha
08:47 magnus hiya cait
08:47 chris Evening
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08:54 cait hi magnus and chris :)
08:55 magnus good evening, chris
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08:58 cait t
09:00 magnus @wunder bodo, norway
09:00 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -3.0�C (9:50 AM CET on January 06, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -12.0�C. Pressure: 29.36 in 994 hPa (Steady).
09:00 chris @wunder wellington nz
09:00 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 21.0�C (9:00 PM NZDT on January 06, 2011). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Rising).
09:01 magnus ooh, too bad about the showers
09:05 chris Bit warm for sleeping too
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09:08 cait @wunder Konstanz
09:08 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 1.0�C (10:00 AM CET on January 06, 2011). Conditions: Light Freezing Drizzle. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising).
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09:14 magnus @wunder helsinki
09:14 munin magnus: The current temperature in Helsinki, Finland is -3.0�C (10:50 AM EET on January 06, 2011). Conditions: Light Snow Grains. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: -7.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
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09:17 magnus i'll be there in two weeks, hopefully giving a small talk on "how to contribute to koha"
09:25 chris Ohh cool
09:25 chris Our last finnish developer set the bar pretty high :)
09:26 magnus hehe
09:28 magnus i think there is some interest in koha in finland, at least on the grassroots level - they have a pretty monopolized library landscape, i think
09:28 chris That'd be cool
09:30 magnus yeah you'd think the home of linus would be into free software... ;-)
09:32 magnus i'll make some slides outlining the whole bug/rfc/git/patch/signoff/etc process maybe over the weekend and post them somewhere so people can have a look and correct me if they want
09:33 chris Sounds like a plan
09:35 magnus :-)
09:59 cait :)
10:38 larsw magnus, nobody is a prophet in their home... or whatever the English version of that saying is; Linus is from Finland, so obviously Finland can't be serious about software freedom
10:38 magnus larsw: yeah, an all too common phenomenon
10:39 larsw magnus, interestingly, I am going to be in Helsinki 19th and 20th (well, leaving on the 20th)
10:39 magnus and koha started in nz so nz libraries should be real sceptical about it...
10:40 larsw magnus, if you have free time at some point, perhaps we should have coffee or lunch or something in Helsinki
10:41 larsw out of curiosity, how are the Koha Debian packages holding up?
10:41 magnus larsw: that would be really cool, i'll arrive some time on the 18th and leave in the evening of the 20th...
10:42 larsw magnus, my schedule while in Helsinki is somewhat unclear still, but could you e-mail me ( when you know when you have free time? evenings are probably best for me; do you know where you'll be staying?
10:44 magnus larsw: i will stay at rivoli jardin, just south of esplanadi. the conference is at suomenlinna, so we will be "stuck" there most of the time. i'll get in touch when i know when i will arrive etc
10:44 larsw magnus, cool
10:45 magnus yay!
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13:17 druthb Hi, magnus! :)
13:21 magnus hiya druthb
13:30 cait hi druthb :)
13:32 druthb :D  howdy, cait!
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14:01 * druthb waves to sekjal
14:01 sekjal morning, druthb!
14:18 cait_a morning sekjal :)
14:18 sekjal morning, cait_a!
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14:23 cait @wunder Konstanz
14:23 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 4.0�C (3:00 PM CET on January 06, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008 hPa (Falling).
14:25 druthb @wunder 20852
14:25 munin druthb: The current temperature in Kemp Mill/Silver Spring, Silver Spring, Maryland is -1.4�C (9:25 AM EST on January 06, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Steady).
14:29 magnus @wunder bodo, norway
14:29 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -2.0�C (3:20 PM CET on January 06, 2011). Conditions: Low Drifting Snow. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: -12.0�C. Pressure: 29.36 in 994 hPa (Steady).
14:30 Oak @wunder islamabad
14:30 munin Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 10.0�C (7:00 PM PKT on January 06, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
14:30 magnus what it doesn't mention is the wind in bod�: "Near gale, 15 m/s"
14:32 * druthb hands magnus an anchor, just in case.
14:32 magnus thanks druthb  - but this isn't too bad ;-)
14:33 druthb wouldn't want you to blow away!  :)
14:36 magnus ;-)
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14:43 briceSanc Hello all !
14:43 briceSanc do you use Koha in mod_perl?
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14:53 magnus briceSanc, from what i understand there are some problems in the code that makes it unsuited for mod_perl -[…]_Manager#mod_perl
14:55 jcamins_a Is there not a dropdown for searching by place of publication on advanced search?
14:58 briceSanc magnus, ok thanks for the link but nobody try to use it ?
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14:59 jcamins briceSanc: I think chris was poking at it.
14:59 jcamins Also BibLibre.
15:00 briceSanc ok
15:00 magnus briceSanc: yes i think people have tried and found memory leaks and other nastiness. but i'm only passing on things i have heard here, maybe hdl could fill us in?
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15:06 thd Hello paul_p
15:06 paul_p hello thd
15:07 magnus jcamins:[…]xpanded_options=1 Publisher Location?
15:07 magnus kia ora paul_p
15:07 thd Why can we not use both -a and -x with
15:08 jcamins magnus: but that doesn't allow you to choose.
15:08 thd Are we not using XML with authority records?
15:08 jcamins I mean, you select "Publisher location" in the dropdown, then have to type in the appropriate abbreviation.
15:09 magnus jcamins: you are looking for a dropdown populated with all the publisher locations actually present in the database? i don't think i have seen that...
15:10 jcamins I thought there was one with all the possibilities.
15:10 jcamins One for all the locations actually present in the database would be *even more amazing*, though.
15:10 jcamins I guess I imagined the publisher location limit.
15:12 magnus "all the possibilities" - wouldn't that be a list of all named places in the world? ;-)
15:12 jcamins No...
15:12 briceSanc magnus, Thank you, I'll keep searching.
15:13 jcamins[…]untries_code.html
15:13 jcamins We could also limit it to the most probable ones, like we do with languages.
15:14 thd jcamins: We could create a value list of likely possibilities
15:15 thd Most publishing is quite concentrated in a few places where the major publishers are.
15:16 jcamins thd: yeah, that was my thought.
15:16 jcamins Well, actually, my thought was that we'd already done that, but clearly I was wrong.
15:16 magnus i guess i was thinking of 260$a...
15:16 thd Eventually we should have a feature for browsing all the place names indexed.
15:18 jcamins thd: agreed.
15:19 thd magnus: It is MARC 21/NORMARC 260 $a about which  jcamins has been asking
15:19 jcamins thd: no, I was thinking of 008/15-17.
15:20 thd 008 is much easier
15:20 thd 008 has a discrete value list
15:20 jcamins thd: yeah, that's why I thought we would have a dropdown.
15:20 magnus yeah, a list of countries is easier to handle then a list of places... ;-)
15:22 thd magnus: Even places in 260 $a are not especially difficult because major publishing is highly concentrated
15:23 jcamins thd: though the rule that says "transcribe" makes early modern books rather challenging. ;)
15:23 thd The difference is merely that 008 uses defined value lists and 260 $a is merely transcribed from the material
15:24 thd transcription and only transcription for some information is a difficulty
15:25 gregglind so, getting starting on koha dev on osx, feeling a bit overwhelmed.  starting at[…]irtual-appliance/ .  this reasonable?
15:25 gregglind and I need to install virtualbox too I assume?
15:26 jcamins gregglind: yes, and yes.
15:26 jcamins I have a Mac at home, and run Koha on Debian in VirtualBox for development.
15:26 thd We could do much with place name synonyms using existing geographic authority records
15:26 gregglind I see on that link that one just updates the installation using the usual git stuff.
15:27 jcamins thd: yeah, but that would require better support for authorities.
15:28 jcamins (which would be a very good thing, of course)
15:28 jcamins gregglind: yes, you'll want to use git for updating, so that any developments can be submitted to the community.
15:28 hdl briceSanc: work on memory has not gonne too far at the moment
15:29 thd jcamins: Better support  for authorities is essential for finding things well without knowing exactly the right term in advance
15:29 thd hdl: Why can we not use both -a and -x with
15:30 jcamins thd: agreed.
15:30 hdl thd: I donot know. I allowed that for us
15:30 hdl no problems
15:31 briceSanc hdl, ok but what is the problem with the memory ?
15:31 thd hdl: You modified to not stop with both -a and -x?
15:32 magnus briceSanc: i think circular dependencies are a problem - sekjal has been looking at those, i think?
15:33 sekjal I did some work on identifiying which C4 modules used which others, and seeing if there were any cycles within that
15:33 sekjal there definitely are
15:34 sekjal but I'm not sure if it's a problem
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15:35 briceSanc Do you have this error with mod_perl : Request exceeded the limit of 10 internal redirects due to probable configuration error. Use 'LimitInternalRecursion' ?
15:35 thd sekjal: Is there an automated means of checking for such cycles?
15:36 sekjal thd:  I wrote a script that generates a .dot file, which can be viewed to find cycles
15:36 sekjal that's as fancy as I got
15:37 thd sekjal: What type of file is .dot file?
15:37 sekjal graph
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15:38 hdl briceSanc: other problem is with ZOOM. and xslt
15:38 sekjal[…]p-new-colored.pdf
15:39 sekjal kind of intimidating... the next generation of my script intended to do some filtering to remove any modules that are not both used and using
15:40 hdl sekjal: have you tried Marc chantreux script ?
15:40 thd hdl: How can XSLT have recursion problems assuming a finite document is being parsed and the upstream parser has no recursion bugs?
15:41 hdl thd: XSLT calls C4::Search And C4::biblio
15:41 hdl and C4::Search is calling C4::XSLT
15:41 sekjal hdl: no, not sure which script you mean.  don't have it in my records
15:41 thd hdl: OK C4::* can certainly have problems.
15:42 hdl sekjal: i sent that script onlist some time ago maybe 2 months ago
15:42 sekjal will check
15:44 sekjal ah, found it
15:46 thd good morning nengard
15:46 nengard hiya
15:46 thd I have a question about the copyright license invocation for the manual
15:48 thd It would be helpful to to follow the text linking to the copyright license with an or later version option clause.
15:49 thd nengard: Do you understand to what I am referring?
15:52 thd nengard are you still here?
15:57 nengard was testing patches
15:57 nengard you want it to say GPL 3 or later?
15:58 thd Yes
15:58 nengard no prob
15:58 nengard will do
15:59 thd There is probably no reason the 3.2 manual will matter in 15 years or whenever GPL 4 comes out but you never know.
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16:00 jcamins nengard: don't worry. _I_ think your manual will develop a cult following. ;)
16:00 thd nengard: if jcamins is right then the or later version at your option clause is very important.
16:01 thd nengard: The sacred text of a new cult.  The Koha 3.2 manual :)
16:01 nengard :)
16:01 nengard goofy boys
16:01 thd nengard: Ideally there are some timeless sections.
16:02 * druthb looks over at this window, catches up, waves at owen, and laughs a lot.
16:02 druthb nengard, you'll be the high priestess of the cult.  have to get you a box to stand on for the "high" part, maybe.  ;-)
16:03 nengard ha ha - and i don't want to be a priestess anymore than i want to do any mothering
16:03 jcamins nengard: deity?
16:03 druthb +1
16:03 thd nengard: My grandmother used to say that I was a goopus.
16:03 thd nengard: have you seen the goops books?
16:04 jcamins Argh! Field 751 is missing?
16:04 jcamins How is 751 missing?
16:05 * owen takes his work on Bug 4354 and dumps it in the garbage
16:05 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4354 minor, P5, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED, Cannot edit existing issuing rules
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16:05 thd jcamins: really?
16:05 jcamins thd: I'm not seeing it.
16:06 * thd checks
16:06 nengard hmmm ... i got a strange error pushing the manual ... anyone understand this?
16:06 nengard nicole-c-engards-macbook-pro:clonedoc nengard$ git push
16:06 nengard Counting objects: 27, done.
16:06 nengard Delta compression using up to 2 threads.
16:06 nengard Compressing objects: 100% (14/14), done.
16:06 nengard Writing objects: 100% (14/14), 1.53 KiB, done.
16:06 nengard Total 14 (delta 6), reused 0 (delta 0)
16:06 nengard To
16:06 nengard 8ea470c..d47f728  master -> master
16:06 nengard ! [rejected]        manual3.2.x -> manual3.2.x (non-fast forward)
16:06 nengard error: failed to push some refs to ''
16:06 nengard To prevent you from losing history, non-fast-forward updates were rejected
16:06 nengard Merge the remote changes before pushing again.  See the 'non-fast forward'
16:06 nengard section of 'git push --help' for details.
16:07 jcamins nengard: yes, you did a git commit --amend after pushing.
16:07 nengard no i didn't ....
16:07 nengard I did a push and got that
16:07 nengard nothing after
16:07 jcamins After your previous push, I mean. Maybe?
16:07 jcamins That's what it means when I get that message.
16:07 jcamins Or it means I've rebased.
16:08 nengard hmmm ... nope, never had to amend on the manual, strange
16:08 nengard do i understand that right that the master was updated but not 3.2.x
16:09 jcamins I think so, yes.
16:11 nengard i'm so confused, it says that i need to merge changes before pushing again .. but i do git status and have no changes to merge
16:12 owen nengard: I see your question about rebasing other people's patches and I'd be happy to write up instructions
16:13 nengard woo hoo :) thanks owen
16:13 jcamins I don't know how to do it, but I think you probably need to pull what's currently in the repository, and then merge your local branch.
16:13 jcamins Not sure how that works exactly, though.
16:13 nengard i did this: git reset --hard origin
16:13 nengard but it says the last commit was the one that failed
16:13 nengard but if you look at the log it's not there ...
16:14 nengard gonna have to ask gmcharlt, chris_n or chris :)
16:14 magnus huh? spam in pootle? http://translate.koha-communit[…]ce&sfields=target
16:14 jcamins magnus: there's a ton of spam in the Russian.
16:14 cait magnus: it has happened before
16:15 magnus ok, i've just been lucky not to see it, then...
16:15 cait I think chris cleaned the files from it
16:16 thd jcamins: 751 subfields may have the wrong values for hidden.
16:16 chris_n nengard: most likely you did some sort of git reset which has messed up the history
16:17 nengard strange, i know that i've never done that on the manual (on my koha git sure - but not the manual)
16:17 nengard so, how do we recover from this?
16:17 jcamins thd: no, they're not in the framework at all.
16:18 hudsonbot Starting build 24 for job Koha_Docs_Master_Branch (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:18 thd jcamins: they are in my uncommitted incomplete update of the framework
16:18 chris_n nengard: do you have changes which are not pushed yet?
16:18 nengard yes
16:18 nengard i'm trying to push them and they keep getting rejected
16:19 nengard but it's not a big deal if i lose them
16:19 nengard it's a few characters - i can redo it
16:19 chris_n do this
16:19 chris_n git reset --hard HEAD
16:20 nengard nicole-c-engards-macbook-pro:clonedoc nengard$ git reset --hard HEAD
16:20 nengard HEAD is now at d47f728 add note to licence to encompass future licenses
16:20 nengard which is actually not HEAD for the 3.2.x branch
16:20 nengard[…]heads/manual3.2.x
16:20 nengard it is the HEAD of the 'master' branch
16:20 nengard nicole-c-engards-macbook-pro:clonedoc nengard$ git branch
16:20 nengard bug5495
16:20 nengard * manual3.2.x
16:20 nengard master
16:22 chris_n is it the last two commits to master that you want in 3.2.x?
16:22 chris_n you can do 'git log manual3.2.x' to see where the tip is currently in that branch
16:23 nengard it's the last commit to master that i want in 3.2.x (not the last 2)
16:23 nengard wow, strange
16:24 * chris_n hangs on the edge of his desk
16:24 nengard sent you the paste in a private message since it's so long
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16:33 briceSanc hdl, magnus, sekjal, thank you for your answers, we will try to debug mod_perl and Koha, Do you have a script to help us?
16:34 hdl briceSanc: The thing we tried is to use wip/Plack branch from wip/koha-biblibre.git
16:35 briceSanc er question: What are the optimizations that can be made to Koha when we have thousands of users simultaneously (approximately 100) ?
16:36 hdl use squid
16:36 hdl there has been an interesting thread about that and answers from mason
16:36 hdl There is also usage of nginx
16:39 magnus there are some hints here:
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16:41 nengard okey dokey chris_n rocks! the manual git repo is back in business
16:41 chris I would recommend against squid, you are using iit as a reverse proxy, when it is designed as a forward proxy
16:41 nengard chris_n++
16:41 chris It doesn't scale well
16:42 chris If you want a caching reverse proxy varnish is a lot better
16:43 chris (Coming from the hundreds of thousands of concurrent users experience)
16:43 chris_n hmm... I know a researcher who uses 1000+ squids in reverse proxy mode to tap collector data off of CERN
16:44 chris That's forward
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16:45 * chris_n may be wrong... an all-to-often-true event
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16:46 chris When you are serving content, 1 varnish will outperform 50 squids
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16:46 chris When you are sucking content squid wins
16:46 owen When you are serving sashimi, squid wins over varnish.
16:47 chris That's what its designed to do
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16:47 chris Using nginx and load balancing over multiple apaches is another way to do it
16:47 thd jcamins: The last upates to the English MARC 21 frameworks in git were not by me and some people had introduced old errors or I could have goofed previously.
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16:48 thd jcamins: LibLime was never willing to pay me to verify the accuracy of my own work systematically.
16:49 thd jcamins: I merely fixed errors as I found them but missing 751 is a large error which may have been the result of a careless edit.
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16:50 jcamins thd: I submitted a bug, so when I get a chance I'll try to get a patch out.
16:50 Oak heya Brooke :)
16:50 Brooke eyah
16:50 Oak that sounds like a kick
16:51 thd jcamins: I have some incomplete work from 2008 on an update for all the English MARC 21 frameworks but I had run out of time to finish it.
16:51 jcamins thd: and there are all the new RDA fields, too...
16:51 chris_n chris: actually those squids are serving content from two http servers
16:51 thd jcamins: It took about 5 days as in 2008.
16:52 thd jcamins: I cannot commit the current state of that update because it needs some reconciliation with other prior changes to avoid breaking things.
16:52 chris_n
16:53 chris_n for anyone interested
16:53 thd jcamins: It is also not self consistent which means more days work.
16:53 ibot okay, thd.
16:54 jcamins ibot: jcamins: it?
16:54 ibot it is long or not self consistent which means more days work.
16:54 chris chris_n: i posit then,he could replce them with 10 varnishes and outpeform his current rig :)
16:54 thd jcamins: The big problem is that I forgot where I had left off, although, I could try to see from a diff.
16:54 jcamins ibot: forget jcamins: it
16:54 ibot jcamins, I didn't have anything matching jcamins: it
16:54 jcamins ibot: it?
16:54 ibot rumour has it it is long or not self consistent which means more days work
16:54 jcamins ibot: forget it
16:54 ibot jcamins: I forgot it
16:54 chris_n chris: I'll pass the suggestion along :)
16:55 Brooke oh ibot
16:55 Brooke you ensure my jester job security.
16:55 thd jcamins: RDA is becoming important.  Does anyone want to sponsor my finishing the update? ;)
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16:56 chris_n as another interesting aside, the software which does the data distribution from cern is foss
16:56 jcamins thd: I am of the same mindset as my cataloging instructor... I was hoping to have retired by the time they implemented RDA.
16:57 chris you probably will have
16:57 druthb ibot:  Brooke?
16:57 ibot Brooke is important to us!!
16:57 jcamins chris: woohoo!
16:57 druthb hm.
16:57 Brooke ibot: forget brooke
16:57 ibot Brooke: I forgot brooke
16:57 druthb ibot:  Brooke?
16:57 ibot wish i knew, druthb
16:58 thd chris: Why can we not use both -a and -x with ?  BibLibre are using both in a modified version with no apparent problem.?
16:58 druthb It said something about the sweetest little lady south of the Potomac, earlier, Brook.
16:58 druthb *Brooke.
16:58 chris because we dont have that modified version
16:59 Brooke clearly has no idea what it's talking about :P
16:59 thd chris: I had not considered until a moment ago that they may have modified more than
16:59 thd chris: What was the reason for not use both -a and -x with ?
17:00 thd s/use/using/
17:00 paul_p chris, I suspect the patch for this is in BibLibre-various branch [but unsure]
17:00 paul_p [why the hell can't I open a parenthesis under mibbit...]
17:00 paul_p [good morning chris and al though]
17:01 thd paul_p: Do you mean that is patched in BibLibre-various?
17:01 paul_p thd yes it is
17:02 hudsonbot Project Koha_Docs_Master_Branch build #24: SUCCESS in 44 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]Master_Branch/24/
17:02 hudsonbot Nicole C. Engard: add note to licence to encompass future licenses
17:02 thd paul_p: Do you know the original reason for not using both -a and -x with
17:03 paul_p thd: nope, definetly. And that's why I'm not sure it's in BibLibre-various {and even not sure it's somewhere. But if it is, it's on, definetly}
17:07 thd paul_p: My check shows only 2 unrelated commits on for
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17:08 paul_p so we don't have this anywhere and I don't understand your "BibLibre are using both in a modified version with no apparent problem.?"
17:09 thd paul_p: hdl reported to me earlier today that he allowed both to be used and had no problem.
17:09 paul_p thd I don't know what he was speaking of, sorry
17:10 paul_p I just can promize that everything is on, or there's something I don't know !
17:10 thd paul_p: The question is of indexing authority records in Zebra as MARCXML instead of ISO2709.
17:10 hdl thd must be there
17:11 hdl[…]2c22b63d09b0302cf
17:11 thd hdl: maybe my search was insufficient
17:12 hdl thd: see there is not limitation on authorities for xml
17:12 hdl indexing
17:13 thd hdl: OK, The only thing which concerns me is whether you have no problem because of some other changes.
17:14 hdl I donot think so. I just discoverd it "happened" to work.
17:14 thd hdl: I am presuming the code to stop both switches being used at the same time had originally been added for a good reason.
17:14 hdl (And saw no reason why it should not)
17:14 hdl oh...
17:14 paul_p thd maybe, but you can also presume the reason has disappeared and no on realized it !
17:15 hdl We still donot use both switches at the same time
17:15 hdl because it still does not work...
17:15 sekjal as I recall, the inability of authorities indexing in XML is the DOM v. GRS-1 issue that authorities have
17:15 thd hdl: OK.  Well that is what I was trying to discover.
17:16 hdl oh... unimarc is indexing authorities as GRS1
17:16 thd hdl: Presumably the problem is in how the *.abs file is configured.
17:17 sekjal I remember dealing with this a long time ago, and it boiled down to unequal DOM support between biblios and authorities
17:17 sekjal but I could be wrong
17:18 thd sekjal: That must be the case but Zebra makes no distinction so it has to be Koha code or Koha Zebra configuration to account for the difference.
17:18 hdl sekjal: is there any DOM support for biblios ?
17:19 thd hdl: There is in tumer's code/fork :)
17:19 sekjal hdl: no, no DOM support for biblios as far as I know
17:19 sekjal thd: I think its just a matter of us writing the right configurations for DOM biblios
17:19 sekjal and no one has had the time yet
17:20 hdl yeah tumer+++++
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17:21 thd sekjal: Yes, I presume something like that to be the issue and hope that there is no hidden problem in Koha code.
17:21 hdl (I had also a dom_config branch)
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17:21 hdl using a dom2abs from indexdata. But this dom2abs is not coping with range attributes.
17:22 hdl So 008 and 100$a and all those coded fields would fail.
17:22 hdl I thought I would fix that... But no time
17:23 hdl see[…]efs/heads/dom_wip
17:25 thd hdl: I expect to be improving Solr/Lucene support in future rather than Zebra unless we discover a great problem with Solr/Lucene.
17:25 paul_p thd++
17:25 paul_p ok, time to go back home and have some time with my loved wife and my 4 small monsters
17:26 paul_p [oups, it's not a monster, it's my children/boy...]
17:26 paul_p ;-)
17:26 thd paul_p: I am merely surprised that no one realised the lack of Unicode support for Zebra in 2005.
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17:26 thd happy monster hunting paul_p :)
17:26 sekjal time for some lunch.  brb
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17:33 thd At moment using both -a (index authorities) and
17:33 thd -x (export records as MARC XML) is not allowed -
17:33 thd if the Zebra authority database is using the DOM
17:33 thd filter, zebraidx will not be able to process the
17:33 thd exported records correctly.
17:33 thd[…]c4e8dffde167108bc
17:47 chris nengard: can you fix the clock on the system you send patches from?
17:48 chris its signing off on patches before they have been written (quite confusing)
17:48 nengard chris i try to remember to reset the time when i turn it on, but sometimes forget
17:48 nengard it's not on all of the time
17:48 chris install ntpdate
17:49 chris or ntp
17:49 chris and it will reset the time itself when it boots
17:49 gregglind fwiw, I am getting nowhere on installing the vitual image for koha for virtualbox on osx
17:50 owen gregglind: Why not try installing from scratch?
17:50 gregglind in either vdmk or vdi format.
17:50 chris i would follow the link robin sent yesterday
17:50 jcamins gregglind: I installed from scratch, and it was super easy, so perhaps you'd be better off trying that.
17:50 gregglind I am sooooo lazy though
17:50 jcamins I'd never used the appliances, so I just assumed it would be easier.
17:50 owen Your sense of accomplishment will be empowering
17:51 gregglind owen, I respectfully disagree.
17:51 nengard gregglind i had huge problems too ... and not can't seem to figure out how to get another vm set up so i can have a 3.2 machine and a HEAD machine
17:51 jcamins gregglind: moreover, you won't be so frustrated.
17:51 gregglind I'm not frustrated *yet*, but this sort of thing should be even more streamlineable, which is a bit of critique I realize.
17:52 gregglind I do pretty sophisiticated packaging all day at work so my tolerance for it is quite low :)
17:52 chris well you could use the packages
17:52 chris if you used a real OS :)
17:52 nengard ntpdate installed
17:52 gregglind fair enough.
17:52 chris
17:52 gregglind but even then would be better to go from source.
17:52 jcamins chris: it would be easy enough to install from the packages under VirtualBox.
17:53 chris yup
17:53 jcamins gregglind: but isn't your goal to run from git so that you can edit it?
17:53 gregglind yes.
17:53 jcamins gregglind: here's my suggestion.
17:53 jcamins Install the latest version of Ubuntu.
17:53 jcamins (on VirtualBox)
17:53 nengard i had dinner with gregglind a few months ago and he was intrigued by Koha
17:53 jcamins Have a coffee.
17:53 jcamins Or six.
17:53 jcamins It took ages to download for me.
17:53 gregglind or rather, 'continue my day job'
17:53 jcamins Anyway.
17:54 gregglind I can do it all from there.
17:54 chris id still install koha-common
17:54 gregglind I am still learning how to set up the vbox
17:54 chris that pulls in all your dependencies
17:54 chris then do a git clone
17:54 gregglind ah, that is wise, for deps
17:54 chris and install koha from there, that way you dont monkey around
17:54 jcamins chris: that's why I was suggesting Ubuntu.
17:55 chris squeeze will work better
17:55 jcamins Everything's already in the packages.
17:55 chris everythings in packages, and in main, (not multiverse)
17:55 chris hence being checked by debian security people
17:55 jcamins chris: but don't you have to upgrade Debian to Squeeze still?
17:55 gregglind how much ram will I really need?
17:56 chris jcamins: you can just install squeeze now
17:56 jcamins gregglind: at least 1GB for your host.
17:56 jcamins chris: really?!? Awesome!
17:56 jcamins gregglind: I have 4GB, so I have the VirtualBox using 512.
17:57 jcamins gregglind: to clarify, that's at least 1GB *total* RAM on the host.
17:57 chris jcamins: yeah you just get the iso for it
17:57 gregglind Ah, I meant for the vbox :)  512 is what I was going to do.
17:57 jcamins chris: neat. Last time I tried, I had to install Lenny and then upgrade.
17:57 gregglind so any consensus here?  Debian (which one?) vs. Ubuntu?
17:57 jcamins gregglind: Debian Squeeze.
17:58 gregglind I assume we don't need to track bleeding edge Postgres or anything :)
17:58 chris jcamins:
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17:59 chris id go with the netinst version there
18:00 gregglind Oy!
18:02 gmcharlt slef: will any of the libraries you're working with participate in the union catalog of UK public libraries that OCLC just announced?
18:02 gregglind okay, so I made an image for virtualbox, now I have to go find an installer and go through normal debian install?
18:02 gregglind is that really what the next step is?
18:02 jcamins gregglind: yep.
18:04 jcamins thd: around?
18:07 gregglind okay, maybe I will try this again later.
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18:08 owen Are the UBUNTU install instructions accurate with regard to the current recommended way to run zebra?
18:10 chris what does it say owen?
18:10 chris use the cron job?
18:10 jcamins They say to use rebuild_zebra, but the instructions don't tell people about the new markings file.
18:11 chris new markings file?
18:11 jcamins Uhhh...
18:11 owen "it's recommended that you daemonize the Zebra process and add it to your startup profile."
18:11 jcamins Maybe I imagined it.
18:11 jcamins I can't find the bug.
18:12 jcamins No, I didn't.
18:12 jcamins Bug 5520.
18:12 chris owen: yes that bit is right
18:12 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5520 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, pianohacker, RESOLVED FIXED, No .packages file for Ubuntu Maverick
18:12 jcamins The instructions should be updated for that. I didn't think of that until owen asked just now.
18:12 chris owen: its just the rebuild_zebra bit you dont want daemonized
18:14 owen Okay, thanks, I always get confused there
18:15 chris yeah, its tricky
18:15 chris jcamins: good point
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18:42 briceSanc hdl, magnus, chris, thanks for your answers!
18:45 chris np
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18:51 magnus program from muriwai beach, nz on norwegian tv right now - don't think i'll ever go for a swim there...
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18:54 chris heh
18:56 jcamins Time to close up here.
18:56 jcamins Good night, #koha.
18:56 jcamins is now known as jcamins_a
18:57 * chris goes to catch his bus
18:57 chris bbiab
18:59 munin New commit(s) kohagit32: Fix for Bug 4950 - checkbox should be removed when can't place a hold <[…]e890fcc7d75730353> / Fix for Bug 5571 - tags as bulleted list too long <[…]4f862c75fcc440d00>
19:01 hudsonbot Starting build 72 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #54 1 mo 0 days ago)
19:01 chris Back
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19:08 nengard welcome back
19:14 chris Another quiet bus ride
19:14 chris Most ppl still on holiday it seems
19:18 magnus yeah, that was quick ;-)
19:18 chris Still on the bus but no one else is
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19:24 magnus ah
19:24 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #72: STILL UNSTABLE in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/72/
19:24 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5571 - tags as bulleted list too long
19:24 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 4950 - checkbox should be removed when can't place a hold
19:27 * chris_n pushes a fix to make hudson happy again
19:27 chris_n !hudson build koha_3.2.x now
19:27 hudsonbot chris_n: job koha_3.2.x build scheduled now
19:27 hudsonbot Starting build 73 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #54 1 mo 0 days ago)
19:28 chris :)
19:28 chris Ok my stop bbiab
19:29 munin New commit(s) kohagit32: Removing OPACNoResultsFound Enhancement Syspref <[…]f8b5488dceddb19a5> / Fix for Bug 3347 - Inconsistencies with tables in opac-shelves.tmpl <[…]f4cc5045786607473>
19:35 chris_n !hudson botsnack fresh ground coffee
19:35 hudsonbot chris_n: great! yum yum. how did you know that fresh ground coffee is my favorite food?
19:35 chris_n errr
19:35 chris_n maybe drink?
19:35 nengard hehe
19:36 magnus chris_n: you didn't specify that the coffe had been brewed, just ground... ;-)
19:37 druthb eeeeeewwwwwww
19:38 nengard is hudson that smart?
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19:50 magnus !hudson botsnack freshly brewed coffee
19:50 hudsonbot magnus: you're so kind to me! I could eat freshly brewed coffee all day long
19:50 magnus nope ;-)
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19:50 drotsk neat
19:50 drotsk o/
19:51 hudsonbot Yippie, build fixed!
19:51 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #73: FIXED in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/73/
19:51 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 3347 - Inconsistencies with tables in opac-shelves.tmpl
19:51 hudsonbot * Chris Nighswonger: Removing OPACNoResultsFound Enhancement Syspref
19:51 chris back
19:51 druthb !hudson botsnack well-sauteed mailing-list trolls
19:51 hudsonbot druthb: thanks a lot! om nom nom. I could eat well-sauteed mailing-list trolls all day long
19:51 * druthb giggles
19:52 * owen prepares his stack of nominations for the next snack
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20:00 * magnus wonders if "sudo" is needed for "make install" even when the install is a dev one into the users own home directory? just curious...
20:02 chris if it does any chown at all
20:02 chris then yes
20:05 magnus and it probably does lots of stuff like that behind the scenes...
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20:09 Brooke kia ora
20:09 chris hi Brooke
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20:11 owen is now known as owen-away
20:12 magnus \o/ Brooke
20:12 Brooke :D
20:12 * Brooke feels the love.
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20:19 * Brooke waves to darling and davi
20:19 * drotsk waves to Brooke
20:20 * darling waves back
20:20 * wizzyrea feels like she's at a large sports event and the peoples are doing the wave
20:20 darling ooo
20:21 drotsk hi darling
20:21 * druthb waves to wizzyrea, so she doesn't feel left out.
20:21 davi I do not know how to swim
20:21 * darling sees a line of little desk cameras so we can try that
20:21 larsw h, darling, long time no see
20:21 darling larsw !
20:21 davi I do not like the water
20:22 Brooke we'd have to time it with latency.
20:22 davi I hope I do not break a waves party :)
20:23 darling larsw, did you see I cited you for loving thoughts?[…]pment_Environment
20:23 darling er, target for
20:24 larsw darling, I didn't! I don't follow Koha much these days, just #koha occasionally :(
20:24 larsw though just the other day I was wondering how the Debian packages of Koha are doing :)
20:25 darling doing very nicely, robin's been keeping them live
20:25 larsw excellent
20:25 larsw give robin a cake :)
20:25 darling and I've even been making packages myself on other projects (new wrms build)
20:26 larsw debian packages ftw !
20:26 darling yep
20:27 larsw is there any movement towards getting the Koha .debs into Debian itself?
20:27 larsw once Debian gets the current development version released
20:27 darling no idea
20:28 chris yep, we are slowly working on tidying up copyright statements
20:28 * Brooke sneezes *Ubuntu*
20:28 larsw Ubuntu is one of the lovely children of Debian :)
20:28 darling I'm a little less up on things, have moved to L2
20:28 Brooke aye it is
20:28 darling Ubuntu is tacky
20:28 darling I like it less each day
20:29 larsw mostly, anything people want to get into ubuntu is best uploaded into Debian first, so everyone benefits
20:29 darling it makes me feel old
20:29 larsw darling, L2, eh
20:29 darling larsw, yep -- I'm no long the Fairfax guy
20:30 darling which is pretty exciting and relazxing
20:30 darling (I still can't type tho)
20:30 larsw darling, then I congratulate you :)
20:30 darling thanks
20:30 larsw got to go now, be happy everyone :)
20:31 Brooke cheers
20:31 darling bye! great to see you
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20:41 Brooke wb owen
20:45 wizzyrea sekjal++
20:45 * sekjal looks around, confused
20:46 wizzyrea for 5586
20:46 * chris_n hands sekjal a cup of java
20:47 sekjal thanks, chris_n.  we've been out of coffee here for a couple days
20:47 sekjal just drank my last energy drink, hoping it will kick in soon
20:48 chris_n time to play catchup with chris ;-)
20:48 magnus bug 5586
20:48 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5583 Rename fieldnumber to blocknumber <[…]9dd0024ef94980d5b> / Bug 5582 Pass tag nums as a string to Doc Popup <[…]38ec20e4df7956a19> / bug 5585: fix display of current date on receipts and slips <[…]oha.git;a=commitd
20:48 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5586 normal, P5, ---, colin.campbell, NEW, SIP line-endings should use proper SPEC-compliant \r
20:48 sekjal and 5586 is all Joe Atzberger's work.  I just signed off and published it per his request
20:49 wizzyrea either way
20:49 sekjal (and tested, of course)
20:49 wizzyrea it's very helpful
20:49 Brooke that sounds like a jorb for the food exchange, sekjal
20:49 Brooke what sort of machine do you use?
20:50 sekjal Brooke: coffee machine?  French Press
20:50 Brooke do you have a grinder or do you use the preground shtuff?
20:50 chris_n in that case Bodum is your friend
20:50 chris_n
20:54 sekjal Brooke:  grinder
20:54 sekjal basic KRUPS model
20:54 Brooke good man
20:54 chris_n fresh grind is the *only* way to go :)
20:54 sekjal our CSA hasn't done deliveries for the last two weeks;  normally, locally roasted coffee shows up at our door
20:55 Brooke lemme know if yer fix doesn't show soon and I'll send ye a care package.
20:55 * chris_n suddenly feels a craving for a cup of coffee
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20:58 sekjal thanks, Brooke!
20:58 Brooke pfft thank me if I actually do anything.
20:58 sekjal back on Koha business, anyone recall if the 610 field is indexed in the subject index?
21:00 munin New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 5583 Rename fieldnumber to blocknumber <[…]039dd19d15ae1f4fe> / Bug 5582 Pass tag nums as a string to Doc Popup <[…]811164b6c35fe585b> / bug 5585: fix display of current date on receipts and slips <[…]=koha.git;a=commi
21:01 hudsonbot Starting build 74 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: FIXED)
21:01 hudsonbot Starting build 265 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:05 magnus sekjal: melm 610        Name,Subject,Corporate-name[…].abs;hb=HEAD#l162
21:07 owen We need a mailing list autoresponder for the phrase "koha on windows"
21:08 drotsk ha
21:08 chris heh
21:08 Brooke don't let me write it ;)
21:09 chris "yeah ... nah"
21:13 Brooke holy cannoli, 848 to NZ over at Air NZ.
21:14 chris from?
21:14 Brooke LAX or San Fran
21:14 Brooke it's *always* LAX or San Fran to Aucklame
21:14 nengard that's a nice deal
21:14 Brooke indeed.
21:15 chris well you can get cheap ones on virgin aus
21:15 chris lax to wlg
21:15 chris every so often
21:15 * Brooke would prefer never to pass through Oz again if poss.
21:16 nengard chris i know! I got one of those :)
21:16 nengard but it wsn't that cheap
21:16 chris laurel got a 999$ nz one
21:16 chris which is probably a bit less than that
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21:18 * magnus bids #koha a good night
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21:32 Brooke don't all talk at once :P
21:32 druthb :)
21:36 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #74: UNSTABLE in 35 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/74/
21:37 hudsonbot * Galen Charlton: bug 5585: fix display of current date on receipts and slips
21:37 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 5582 Pass tag nums as a string to Doc Popup
21:37 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 5583 Rename fieldnumber to blocknumber
21:37 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #265: UNSTABLE in 35 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/265/
21:37 hudsonbot * Galen Charlton: bug 5585: fix display of current date on receipts and slips
21:37 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 5582 Pass tag nums as a string to Doc Popup
21:37 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 5583 Rename fieldnumber to blocknumber
21:37 owen hudsonbot to the rescue, Brooke
21:37 Brooke :)
21:38 owen time to go, and I didn't even get to my Action! Item! yet.
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21:40 chris yep something in there broke one of the tests too
21:40 Brooke eh oh
21:41 chris http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]able__branch__OK/
21:41 chris in big red letters
21:41 * chris goes to investigate
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21:42 Brooke Boozho!
21:47 chris hmm works locally
21:47 * chris logs in to where hudson is running to test
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21:51 hudsonbot Starting build 266 for job Koha_Master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #264 21 hr ago)
21:52 chris worked at the commandline there too
21:58 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 5006 - Invalid XHTML in record matching rules template <[…]8fea1eb544cee78f4>
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22:10 Brooke eeep
22:10 Brooke look at the time
22:10 Brooke cheers
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22:12 sekjal goodnight, #koha!
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22:14 hudsonbot Yippie, build fixed!
22:14 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #266: FIXED in 24 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/266/
22:15 hudsonbot Starting build 267 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED)
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22:39 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #267: SUCCESS in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/267/
22:39 hudsonbot Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5006 - Invalid XHTML in record matching rules template
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22:57 munin brendan_2: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 15.9�C (2:57 PM PST on January 06, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Rising).
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22:58 Michael Hey Gang.  Michael here (NCAR Library in Boulder)
22:59 chris hi Michael
22:59 Michael I gots questions.
22:59 Michael hi Chris
22:59 Michael I'm trying to make sense of Koha's Acquisitions features. (Funds, baskets, orders, etc)
23:00 chris what version of Koha are you looking at 3.2.2 ?
23:00 Michael I'm hoping someone can direct me to some instructional resources. (the Koha manual doesn't go into much detail)
23:00 Michael let's see...3.2.2 i think.
23:00 chris (the about page will tell you)
23:01 Michael ah, here we go.
23:02 chris ahh thats an oldish one
23:02 Michael meaning that acquisitions has changed somewhat since?
23:03 chris bound to have had bug fixes and stuff .. are you running a prerelease of 3.2.0?
23:03 chris (its pre 3.2.0 .. so 3 versions ago)
23:03 chris and which manual are you looking at?
23:04 * chris is just trying to figure out the best place to point you at, but first need to know what you have already looked at ;)
23:04 Michael Well, I guess i've been kind of "version ignorant"...
23:04 Michael i've likely been perusing this manual:
23:05 chris yeah dont
23:05 Michael or this[…]ation/3-2-manual/
23:05 chris is old, out of date, and under the control of a hostile company
23:05 Michael (same?)
23:05 chris no, is actually updated and right
23:05 Michael oh, okay.  that's where my bookmark goes, actually.
23:06 Michael we're set up with a Training email list, so I really should post some questions on there.  Just thought I'd pop on here first for some reason.
23:07 chris yep here is a good resource, if you have read the manual then probably the next place to look is the wiki
23:07 Michael okay
23:08 Michael I'll browse the wiki, and post some questions on our Training list.
23:08 chris cool, who's your support provider if you dont mind me asking?
23:08 Michael Thanks for getting me straight as to versions...I suppose we ought to look into upgrading soon from 3.01.00
23:08 chris bywater solutions have done some good video tutorials
23:09 chris yeah 3.1.x was unstable releases
23:09 Michael esilibrary
23:09 chris the second number should be even
23:09 chris ahh, they are good people too
23:09 chris they'll be able to help you out
23:09 Michael cool, thx chris
23:09 Michael signing off
23:10 chris heres one
23:10 chris
23:10 Michael k
23:10 chris i find the videos quite useful tools
23:10 chris thast the only acquisitions one i could find though
23:10 Michael great, thanks
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23:50 chris heya atz
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