IRC log for #koha, 2010-12-31

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00:41 chris ssshhhhhh
00:41 chris you guys are too lou
00:41 chris d
00:42 * druthb runs in circles and yells real loud.
00:43 cait hm?
00:43 * cait looks confused as always
00:44 cait time to go to bed :)
00:44 druthb g'night, cat.
00:44 cait good inight all and happy new year chris :)
00:44 druthb cait, even.
00:44 chris night cait
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00:52 chris heh
00:52 chris i forgot i even wrote this stuff
00:52 chris[…]a-qa-tools;a=tree
00:52 chris i wonder if any of it is actually useful anymore
00:54 chris actually yeah, the probably is
00:56 chris for running on branches that arent being checked by hudson, (ie local branches)
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02:35 Oak \o
02:35 druthb hi, Oak.  :)
02:36 Oak hello druthb :)
02:36 Oak end of a decade, huh
02:37 druthb yup.  It's been eventful, to be sure.  For me, anyway.
02:37 jcamins_a is now known as jcamins
02:37 jcamins Has it ever!
02:37 druthb hi, jcamins.
02:40 Oak how time flies
02:41 druthb Gosh, in the last decade, my career took a u-turn, then a quick left-right-left zigzag, I've had a marriage happen and fail, plus all sorts of other personal changes.
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03:41 Amit heya all
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04:28 jcamins Happy New Year, New Zealand!
04:28 jcamins And good night, #koha
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05:44 druthb o/
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08:20 francharb morning!
08:27 Amit heya francharb
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12:33 paul_p @munin say chris happy new year (1 hour late ;-) )
12:33 munin paul_p: Error: "munin" is not a valid command.
12:33 paul_p say chris happy new year (1 hour late ;-) )
12:33 paul_p @logbot say chris happy new year (1 hour late ;-) )
12:33 munin paul_p: Error: "logbot" is not a valid command.
12:34 paul_p well... chris, happy new year !
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12:57 Nate Happy New Years to all of you Kiwis and Aussies!
12:58 ebegin Happy New Year to all from Canada
13:10 jcamins_a is now known as jcamins
13:18 owen-away is now known as owen
13:18 owen Hi #koha
13:19 druthb howdy!
13:19 jcamins Hello.
13:20 jcamins I guess you don't get today off?
13:23 owen Not me. But I do Monday
13:23 Nate hiya Owen and jcamins
13:24 jcamins Hello Nate.
13:24 Nate :)
13:24 paul_p hello world.
13:25 Nate hiya paul_p
13:25 druthb hi, paul_p! :D
13:25 paul_p have a good last day of the year for those who are on morning !
13:25 paul_p I'll leave now (2PM here, but a lot of things to do for tomorrow : at least 18 ppl at home for lunch !)
13:25 owen Happy new year to you paul_p
13:26 jcamins Hapy new year, paul_p
13:27 paul_p i'll be back on monday, even if i have a meeting monday&tuesday.
13:27 paul_p farewell, don't drink too much. don't drive if you drink too much & see you later for a new year full of good things !
13:29 owen Okay everyone, last chance to fix a bug in 2010. What'll it be?
13:31 jcamins owen: my desk is slowly collapsing, and I can't put my computer on it.
13:31 jcamins But perhaps you meant a bug in Koha.
13:31 paul_p owen, where is the server ? (i'm afraid you won't fix the last 2010, but probably you'll fix the 1st 2011 :D
13:31 owen paul_p: The timestamps on my patches are my own :)
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14:44 francharb happy new year guys/ladies! ;)
14:44 francharb see you next year
14:44 francharb ;)
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14:54 pergi hello
14:54 owen Hi pergi
14:55 pergi Guys, i have a question regarding a question in Makefile.PL
14:55 owen Not many people here today pergi, but go ahead
14:55 pergi When it asks about "Please specify Zebra database user", what i have to write? :P
14:56 owen pergi: I always accept the default
14:56 pergi it says kohauser, as defualt
14:57 pergi but i haven't created any user with the name kohauser
14:57 jcamins pergi: you don't need to.
14:57 jcamins You can just accept the default, and it will work.
14:58 pergi this user will be created automatically when i will issue "make install" ?
14:58 jcamins Yes.
14:58 pergi aha ok
14:58 jcamins It's not a system user, just a Zebra user.
14:58 jcamins So the password doesn't matter, either.
14:59 pergi i will choose the default then :)
14:59 pergi thank you very much :)
15:01 owen Does anyone know where the default manual invoice values come from? Are they simply hard-coded into template?
15:01 owen I mean, I know they are, but do those correspond to a canonical list somewhere else?
15:02 jcamins No idea, sorry.
15:05 pergi me too :(
15:05 * owen wonder what the chances are of pianohacker stopping by...
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15:08 druthb wizzy! :D
15:14 owen Hey druthb, maybe you can help me
15:14 druthb I could try! :)
15:15 owen In pianohacker's work on Bug 3484 he references some accountlines.accounttype values
15:15 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3484 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED, Break down fee display on checkout tab
15:15 owen "L" and "F" I see as defined in maninvoice.tmpl
15:15 owen But there is also "FU" and "Res"
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15:15 owen Are those two codes that PTFS/clients use?
15:16 druthb That patch, or something nearby, changed the way fines are set up so that still-overdue items have a separate fine code for still-accruing fines.  F remains as it was--a Fine.  FU is "Fine Updating".
15:17 owen Okay, that makes sense
15:17 druthb Res was for reserve fees to have their own fine type, rather than M/Sundry.
15:19 owen I wonder why this change doesn't manage all the defaults from maninvoice.tmpl:
15:19 owen[…]e499534337f2ceaf1
15:20 owen Just prioritizing?
15:20 druthb Yah, I think so.
15:22 owen Okay, thanks druthb
15:22 druthb you bet.
15:22 * owen steps away from the mirror where he was chanting pianohacker's name
15:27 druthb owen++
15:56 owen Okay, same as yesterday... Someone submitted a patch which works but doesn't work with git am.
15:56 owen How can I sign off on it while giving the submitter credit?
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16:02 Brooke kia ora
16:02 druthb hi, Brooke! :)
16:02 Brooke howdy, miss
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16:27 Brooke @roulette
16:27 Brooke was kicked by munin: BANG!
16:27 * munin reloads and spins the chambers.
16:30 * owen tries to cherry-pick Bug 3475 but it doesn't seem to work
16:30 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3475 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED, Add copy patron function
16:31 owen druthb: any idea if I should be grabbing more than the last three commits here?[…]efs/heads/Bug3475
16:33 druthb Grabbing those three would be consistent with the way that I was building things then.
16:34 * owen wonders why he's getting a blank form when I tries a copy
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16:38 druthb hm...
16:38 druthb I don't see it, owen.
16:39 owen DBD::mysql::st execute failed: called with 1 bind variables when 0 are needed at C4/ line 562
16:39 owen DBD::mysql::st fetchall_arrayref failed: fetch() without execute() at C4/ line 563
16:40 druthb almost like there's somethin' missing from that you need.
16:40 * owen is investigating
16:48 owen Ah: GetMember's parameters "should contain one or more pairs of borrowers column names and values, e.g., $borrower = GetMember(borrowernumber => id);"
16:49 * owen presumes this must be fixed in production installations of Harley!
16:49 owen s/presumes/hopes
16:49 druthb I would hope so, too!
17:03 owen Easy enough fix. I'm also surprised that it doesn't copy more data from the source record. No alternate address info, no alternate contact info?
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17:48 owen wizzyrea_, is it really you?
17:48 wizzyrea_ it is
17:48 druthb hi, wizzyrea_ :)
17:48 wizzyrea_ hi there
17:49 * owen was just speculating about whether the "copy patron" functionality was broken for you
17:53 owen
17:53 owen Someone switched from Koha to Spydus?
17:54 owen And in New Zealand?! http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]wc&RC=29779&Row=2
17:57 druthb The folks that are trying to push Spydus in the US tried to hire me back before I got on with LL.   Clearly, they've had little success.
17:57 wizzyrea_ hmmmm
17:58 wizzyrea_ I don't think that it is
17:58 * wizzyrea_ will check
17:58 druthb It's a decent-enough system, for a windows-based thing.
17:59 owen Spydus is what we left behind when we switched to Koha
17:59 owen We balked at the 10K hardware upgrade they wanted for the new version
18:00 druthb They did a demo for me when I was with the Abilene consortium.  Totally, totally worthless, for what they needed there.
18:00 wizzyrea_ owen: dupe patron works
18:00 druthb (Cheaper than Unicorn, but so are paper cards.)
18:01 wizzyrea_ it propagates the last name, address, phone, email
18:01 wizzyrea_ and that's about it
18:01 owen That's nice to hear wizzyrea_. The code in the repo is broken.
18:01 wizzyrea_ but that's fine
18:01 wizzyrea_ how is it broken?
18:01 owen You get nothing copied into the entry form!
18:01 wizzyrea_ Ha!
18:02 owen Easily fixed, though.
18:02 wizzyrea_ interesting
18:02 wizzyrea_ I know we have a bunch of fixes on ours that aren't in the repo (afaik)
18:02 owen I'm submitting a correction for that and expanding the list of fields it copies to include alt address, alt contact, etc.
18:02 wizzyrea_ ooooo
18:02 wizzyrea_ good one
18:02 wizzyrea_ owen++
18:02 druthb owen++
18:03 wizzyrea_ I'm glad that somebody is goin through that harley stuff
18:03 wizzyrea_ are you documenting on the wiki at all? I think there's a page for it
18:04 wizzyrea_[…]arley_Integration
18:05 wizzyrea_ 3483 is a neat one too
18:07 owen I was confused by that one wizzyrea_
18:07 owen What's the point?
18:07 wizzyrea_ it lets the librarians know if the patrons have been managing their own items
18:07 wizzyrea_ it's more of a fluffy one for sure
18:08 owen Okay, I see how that could be interesting
18:09 owen I haven't been updating the wiki, I'm glad you reminded me of that page
18:09 * owen has been working off the "needs signoff" list in Bugzilla
18:10 chris owen: their council has merged with 4 others in a 'shared solution' they havent actually switched yet either
18:10 chris but it will be a hosted spydus install
18:11 chris that they all share
18:11 chris i personally think its doomed to failure but shared solutions are the buzzword at the moment
18:12 owen Happy new year chris, how's 2011 shaping up so far?
18:12 * wizzyrea_ is dying to know
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18:13 * druthb waves to chris
18:13 chris so far so good
18:13 chris i still think marshall needs to figure out what hes doing
18:14 chris he doesnt have evegreen split up by support company
18:15 chris or any other system for that matter
18:16 owen Is that because there isn't X number of non-Equinox Evergreen support companies?
18:16 chris theres more than 1
18:17 chris and there are definitely Evergreen - Independent too
18:17 chris splitting it up just makes it a pita to actually see how many switched
18:19 chris vendor/support compnay should be a seperate column
18:19 chris he needs to get with the new milennium, only 11 years too late
18:20 chris also his list is missing some
18:21 chris http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]
18:21 chris isn't counted
18:22 chris if i was tutoring his stats class
18:22 chris he would FAIL
18:33 chris he did fix it when i complained (at the least the missing one) so maybe a c-
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18:41 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5550 - correct filename referenced in docs <[…]c2b9ee2d6ede1cbb4>
18:42 chris robit gets the first commit of 2011
18:42 hudsonbot Starting build 257 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:42 chris mostly because it was the first one in my inbox and was a no brainer to test :)
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18:45 chris hi Brooke
18:45 * Brooke salutes Chris with respect.
18:45 druthb welcome back, Brooke. :)
18:45 * Brooke tips her hat to Ruth.
18:54 * owen doesn't understand the color-coding rules of[…]arley_Integration
18:54 wizzyrea_ i think red is conflict, green is pushed, and black is "nothing done"
18:55 Brooke grey looks closed, too
18:55 owen Should something be red or gray if the Harley fix has been superseded by someone else's work?
18:55 wizzyrea_ I think grey
18:56 wizzyrea_ unless it's a combine for a more complete feature, like the batch item edit
18:56 wizzyrea_ though I'm terrified of that batch edit
18:56 wizzyrea_ the harley batch edit
18:56 wizzyrea_ very easy to accidentally select a bunc of stuff
18:57 wizzyrea_ that you don't really want to batch edit
19:02 Brooke I've always thought there should be about 3 levels of confirmation messages that read summat like
19:02 Brooke "Snakes, why'd it have to be snakes?"
19:02 Brooke "Swear on your mothers' grave this is necessary."
19:02 Brooke and
19:03 Brooke "Fine, fine, I'll do it, but remember you told me to."
19:03 druthb "We're logging that *you* did this, you know..."
19:03 Brooke *nod*
19:03 owen First round of wiki edits done
19:03 * owen goes to get his ears lowered
19:03 owen is now known as owen-away
19:04 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #257: SUCCESS in 21 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/257/
19:04 hudsonbot Robin Sheat: Bug 5550 - correct filename referenced in docs
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19:11 * owen returns, unshorn
19:11 Brooke unshorn>?!
19:11 * owen found that his barber had already begun his New Year's revelries
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19:11 Brooke tee hee
19:11 Brooke let your freak flag fly.
19:12 Brooke try as I might, I can't picture you with long hair. Ever.
19:12 owen Photos exist.
19:13 Brooke there's yer trouble. ;)
19:23 chris right kids awake bbl
19:24 owen What is the purpose of Bug 3478?
19:24 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3478 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner, ASSIGNED, Display patron middle initials
19:29 Brooke seems to me like it'd sort one Johnson from another.
19:29 Brooke or rather allow the Librarian to look at it
19:29 Brooke look at the Patron
19:29 Brooke and do the sorting ;)
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19:53 owen I'm not sure how that's different from including the middle initial in the firstname field, sort-wise
19:55 Brooke mmm the test that's in the attachments could have been more logically delineated.
19:55 Brooke I prolly would have used Johnsons, but that's just me ;)
19:56 Brooke at very least they should have had a Pan A Cake
19:56 Brooke just to show us how it sorted.
19:56 * Brooke trusts there *is* a difference or Chris would have tossed it.
19:56 owen It hasn't been approved
19:57 owen You're right, the screenshots don't tell how the change improves things
19:57 Brooke I think mebbe you should ask that in bugzilla.
19:57 owen ...which makes me think they were done to satisfy someone who wanted it because that's the way they thought it should be
19:57 * owen ends up asking this about many Harley enhancements
20:01 Brooke I'm still picking at the frayed ends of that concept.
20:01 Brooke we've to start somewhere for enhancements
20:02 Brooke and I like that the community recognises cool enhancements and rolls them into the mainstream of things,
20:02 Brooke like all of your wonderful OPAC stuff.
20:03 Brooke but I often wonder where the line is
20:03 Brooke like if a given Library wants summat
20:03 Brooke and um
20:03 Brooke it's just not cool
20:03 Brooke I don't think we should be resentful that they just frittered some money away
20:03 Brooke but I wonder how to avoid that apart from participation.
20:04 owen I think the Solr discussion is probably the first big example of this conflict
20:04 Brooke mmm
20:04 Brooke not sure
20:04 ibot not sure are you using git?
20:05 Brooke I think there must have been things under previous RMs that were similar.
20:06 Brooke and I also think that the sticking point on that is more complex. recursive compatibility comes to mind
20:06 Brooke more frequent release of things in process also comes to mind
20:06 Brooke I don't think the tripping point is that solr is uncool and not useful to more than one library
20:07 Brooke but that ONLY solr is a bit dodgy.
20:07 Brooke but I'm just a bullshitter, so what do I know.
20:09 Brooke end of the day, isn't part of the appeal of OS and certainly Koha that you get *whatever* you want?
20:09 Brooke the crappy part of that whatever being that it might be quite silly?
20:10 owen It is incumbent on the support provider to make it clear to the client that their enhancements may not make it into the official version
20:10 Brooke yes
20:11 * Brooke feels that that statement ought be chiseled in Carrera someplace.
20:12 Brooke it would also help if we Librarians related that to other Librarians
20:12 Brooke along with "If you don't _want_ to share, stay proprietary."
20:13 jcamins_a Along with "your changes won't get in if they're implemented badly, and then it'll be a double headache."
20:14 * jcamins_a goes back to wiping all the dust off his various spice racks so they can be packed away.
20:14 * Brooke steals his a
20:14 owen Along with "if you want to change Koha just because your old ILS did it differently maybe you should just stick with what you've got"
20:15 Brooke yeah, that one is worrisome to me
20:15 * Brooke loses sleep over Koha becoming less innovative.
20:39 Brooke time for the boob tube, methinks.
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20:57 * owen boggles. A Harley commit that includes changes to updatedatabase? Inconceivable!
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21:26 * jcamins_a had no idea that wrapping jars took so long.
21:26 druthb it does, if you have a lot of them.
21:26 jcamins_a 34.
21:27 jcamins_a Which seems like it shouldn't be that many.
21:27 jcamins_a It is.
21:33 druthb 34 jars....if I had that many, they'd all be full of home-canned pickles, I think.
21:35 jcamins_a How many pickles do you have?
21:36 druthb I think I have about three jars left from my last batch.
21:39 druthb I've got a pretty good stack of empties...time to make something yummy in them, imma thinkin'.
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21:46 * druthb waves to Nate
21:47 Nate Greetings!
21:55 chris Sup nate
21:56 Nate hey Chris
21:56 Nate happy new year!
21:56 chris Thanks
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