IRC log for #koha, 2010-12-10

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00:13 rhcl_away ibot speaks Chinese?
00:13 ibot no idea, rhcl_away
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01:12 ray Good morning!
01:12 ray How can I show the item number of books in the OPAC?
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03:02 * druthb slips back in
03:40 jransom druthb : isn't it like the middle of the night over there?
03:40 druthb 22:45.  Not *that* late.
03:48 jransom oh - not its hardly late at all :)
04:00 brendan evening
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04:05 jransom hiya
04:05 brendan heya jransom
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05:02 brendan @wunder 93117
05:02 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.4�C (8:59 PM PST on December 09, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Steady).
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05:11 cait morning #koha
05:20 brendan morning cait
05:20 cait hi brendan :)
05:33 brendan how's things cait?
05:34 cait still trying to wake up
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05:34 cait and you are still here? :)
05:34 brendan yeah gonna be here for a bit :)
05:53 cait still dark outside :(
06:39 cait brendan: as you are still around... looking at bug 4160
06:39 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4160 normal, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, Currency Conversion dosn't handle rates other than 100
06:39 cait you think the posted solution is ok to write into a patch?
06:39 brendan I am around - not currently though
06:39 brendan I mean I'm off wrapping my mind on something else for the moment
06:40 cait ok :)
06:41 cait just looking for a second opinion
06:41 cait I will write it up - it will be easy to change the data type if someone suggests something else
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06:44 cait is broken for me with an xml error :(
06:44 brendan trying to clone from there?
06:44 brendan or just view?
06:44 brendan if viewing - it worked for me
06:48 cait no just view
06:48 cait cloning went ok
06:52 brendan ah ok - sorry worked fine from here :)
06:55 cait strange
06:55 cait unhappy firefoy maybe
06:57 cait firefox
07:04 cait ok patch done, waiting for complaints ;)
07:04 chris back
07:04 chris i might try and catch up patches over the weekned, otherwise they will have to wait until monday
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07:08 brendan heya chris
07:08 brendan wb
07:17 cait hi chris :)
07:17 cait everything went ok?
07:18 chris yup
07:19 cait cool :)
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07:26 cait ok, time to get ready for work - bye all!
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08:12 kf hi #koha
08:16 magnus kia ora, #koha
08:16 chris hi kf and magnus
08:17 kf hi chris... you are still here :)
08:17 kf god morgen magnus :)
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08:18 magnus hi chris & kf
08:18 magnus isn't chris always here? ;-)
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08:22 kf hm, kind of
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08:32 * magnus will be attending a training course on SPARQL through skype for the rest of the day
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08:32 kf oh
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09:21 kf hi ivanc
09:21 ivanc guten morgen kf
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09:21 ivanc hi #koha
09:40 brendan_l night #koha :)
09:41 kf good ngiht brendan
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10:25 kmkale I upgraded one library from 3.00.05 to 3.02.01 and the empty yellow box on circulation is back :(
10:27 kmkale there is no error reported in logs at all..
10:44 kf the empty yellow box for accounts with an overdue book?
10:46 kmkale yup
10:46 kmkale I have discovered this installation is using en-GB for staff interface. Inspite of en being selected in sysprefs.
10:47 kf ah, have you recreated your templates after updating?
10:47 kmkale and there are tns of diferences between en & en-GB in circulation.tmpl
10:47 kmkale recreated templates? how?
10:47 kf standard or dev install?
10:48 kmkale standard
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10:48 kf hm, never done it there, but what I do in my dev installations is: cd misc/translator, perl translate install en-GB
10:49 kmkale ughh. Never had to do that. Mystery is why is it using en-GB
10:49 kf yeah
10:49 kf that is mysterious
10:49 kf do you need it?
10:50 kmkale when syspref says en. I changed syspref to and fro some value. No effect
10:50 kf hm, could perhaps be your browser settings - it's trying to guess the right language from there
10:50 kmkale en-GB? nope
10:50 kf you could delete de en-GB folders
10:50 kmkale trying
10:50 kf a bit drastic perhaps... but they are not up to date anyway
10:50 kf delete the...
10:52 kmkale hah moved en-GB dir to old-en-GB and it did the trick. Now I am getting "Patron has had overdue items and is blocked for 10 day(s)."
10:53 kf yeah, your templates were not up-to-date
10:53 kf perhaps you will see problems with other languages too
10:53 kf how did oyu do your update?
10:53 kf have you downloaded the tarball with all language files included?
10:53 kmkale yikes kf. its eerie the way we keep returning to translations past few days :(
10:53 kf quite normal for me :)
10:54 kmkale yup tarball download. then followed the upgrade process with old install log etc
10:54 kf I have accepted translation as a never ending story
10:54 kf yeah, but which tarball?
10:54 kf the bigger or the small one?
10:54 kmkale koha-3.02.01.tar.gz
10:55 kf did it include the directories for en-GB?
10:55 kmkale 32mb
10:55 kf unpacked?
10:56 kf if it didn't include the templates for the other languages you will need to update them
10:56 kmkale no the unpacked tarball does not have en-GB
10:56 kmkale no wonder
10:56 kmkale how do I update templates?
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10:57 kmkale more importantly why is it using en-GB in the first place. How do I hunt that
10:57 kf I suspect your language settings in the browser
10:58 kf it's trying to detect the language - I am sometimes forced to look at really ugly German OPACs - because people modified templates for only one language or forget to put the css files in all language folders
10:58 kf and you can try running the translation script
10:59 kf from misc/translator run perl translate install <language-code>
10:59 kf ok, lunch time :)
10:59 kf will be back later
10:59 kmkale bye and thanks again
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11:34 kf back
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11:45 kmkale I could not figure out why it was taking en-GB. My browser is set to en_IN and the mysql syspref was set to en.
11:58 kf hm, no idea then
12:09 pastebot "kmkale" at pasted "IN 3.02.01 missing AllowIssuingForPatronsWithOverdues in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/module​s/admin/preferences/circulation.pref" (19 lines) at
12:11 kmkale I have the AllowIssuingForPatronsWithOverdues syspref in mysql table; I have the corresponding USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE and USERBLOCKEDREMAINING blocks in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en​/modules/circ/circulation.tmpl but no AllowIssuingForPatronsWithOverdues section in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modul​es/admin/preferences/circulation.pref as you can see from the above paste
12:11 kf kmkale: you can add to the general syspref chaos bug: bug 5474
12:11 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5474 major, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, Missing sys prefs in translated sysprefs.sql
12:12 kmkale as bug 4036 was fixed resolved and pushed it should be there. :(
12:12 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4036 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Two conditions missing from circ template messages: USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE  and USERBLOCKEDREMAINING
12:12 kmkale but its NOT translated. This in en :(
12:12 kf hm yes it probably should
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12:12 kf there was anotherproblem like yours added to the bug today
12:12 kf I think the sql files and .pref files are not in sync
12:13 kmkale and I have downloaded stable tar.gz from site yesterday and checked the mdy ;)
12:13 kmkale s/mdy/md5/
12:13 kf I believe you ;)
12:14 kf and it should have been added I think:[…]hment.cgi?id=1795
12:17 kmkale And I dont have AllowIssuingForPatronsWithOverdues in C4/
12:18 kmkale now I am going mad
12:19 kf plz don't
12:21 kf git search for bug number:[…]&st=commit&s=4036
12:22 kf kmkale: it seems it's not in git?
12:23 kf don't see it here, plz check:[…]e14012933a67793e7
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12:25 kmkale kf: It seems patch pushed was different from patches attached to the bug report?
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12:30 kf kmkale: yep, I think you are right
12:30 kf not sure I found all - perhaps some were pushed without the bug number in subject
12:30 kf I think this is a bug - can you file a short bug report?
12:31 kmkale sorry phone call
12:32 kmkale I made changes as per patch attached to bug 4036 and now the system is working as expected.
12:32 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4036 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Two conditions missing from circ template messages: USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE  and USERBLOCKEDREMAINING
12:32 kf or better - reopen the existing bug with your findings?
12:32 kmkale 4036?
12:33 kf not sure
12:33 ibot not sure are you using git?
12:33 kf hehe
12:33 kf ibot: git?
12:33 ibot well, git is found at
12:33 kmkale no. for this install I am using stable tarball
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12:34 kmkale its an upgrade from 3.00.05 to 3.02.01
12:35 kmkale i will send a mail on koha-devel with what I found
12:37 kf kmkale: the problem is that I don't see the it in the .pref file on git either
12:37 kf it's nto there
12:37 kf so it can't exist in your pref file
12:38 kmkale but one thing is sure there is no  AllowIssuingForPatronsWithOverdues in C4/ in the untarred source tree of koha-3.02.01.tar.gz
12:38 kmkale i just checked
12:39 kf was it ther in 3.0.x?
12:40 kmkale checking
12:40 kmkale no
12:41 kmkale but since the tmpl functionality existed in 3.2 there was a problem of blank yellow box.
12:41 kmkale adding the syspref and bits resolved the issue
12:41 kf yeah
12:41 kf you could send a patch? :)
12:44 kmkale nope
12:45 kmkale I will send a email on koha-devel
12:45 kmkale I wish gmcharlt will take a look at this since he seems to have pushed the patches here[…]&st=commit&s=4036
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13:36 kmkale bbl
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14:11 kf hi owen
14:12 owen Hi
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15:18 owen It's like being the doorman in a busy building. Just people coming and going.
15:18 trea indeed
15:19 kf :)
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15:37 kf time to go - see you all later :)
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15:51 hdl hi owen
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16:34 jwagner It's snowing outside!  That wasn't in the forecast for today....
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17:22 jcamins For any of the NZers around- what's a Slice? Joann's recipe sounds delicious, but I have no idea what it's supposed to come out looking like.
17:26 chris[…]72_a48558dd29.jpg
17:28 owen Hm, why didn't I pack that in my lunch?
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18:00 owen I just pushed a branch for my jquery-ui work so far if anyone is interested:
18:00 owen ip-bug-5481-jquery-ui-2010-12-09 is the branch
18:02 jcamins Mmmm. That looks good.
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19:00 * Brooke waves to Magnus.
19:00 * magnus waves back to Brooke and the rest of #koha
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19:13 brendan morning
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19:15 magnus hiya brendan
19:15 brendan hey magnus
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19:17 * Brooke waves at wizzy
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19:17 magnus is wizzyrea_ playing hide and seek with us or something?
19:18 Brooke Dunno, count to a hundred and see if she returns. ;)
19:19 magnus ok
19:20 magnus ...and 100
19:26 * Brooke admires Magnus' advanced counting mechanics.
19:27 Brooke Now go ask your father.
19:28 magnus perl -e 'print 1..100'
19:31 Brooke :D
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19:35 magnus hiya druthb
19:35 druthb hi, magnus! :)
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20:22 sylvar magnus: I used a trick like perl -e 'print 1..100' when I was about 10 years old. I had been bad and was given the punishment of writing something 100 times.  I asked if I could type it because I was trying to teach myself how to type.
20:23 sylvar The teacher never heard of letter-quality daisywheel printers.  10 FOR X = 1 TO 100    20 LPRINT "I will not cheat on my assignments"   30 NEXT X
20:31 Brooke heh heh
20:32 magnus hee hee
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20:33 ebegin hi brooke!
20:33 ebegin got to go!
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20:36 chris I give up, its like talking to a brickwall
20:39 nengard :(
20:40 chris Every year the same thing
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20:43 cait hi #koha
20:45 Brooke hi Cait :D
20:45 cait hi Broooke
20:47 magnus hiya cait
20:47 cait hi magnus
20:47 cait do you know a-team? where one of them doesn't want to fly?
20:48 cait and nengard doesn't want to go on a boat...
20:48 nengard no boats
20:48 cait oh no, she is here
20:48 nengard boats + nicole = big horrible mess
20:48 * cait hides
20:48 owen Sorry nengard , we'll miss you during our cruise!
20:48 Brooke ooooooooh
20:48 Brooke that can TOTALLY be next KohaCon
20:48 nengard KohaCon without Nicole ... whoever will do the speaking?? :)
20:49 magnus good question ;-)
20:49 Brooke *sigh*
20:49 Brooke there will always be a blocker for each of my ideas.
20:49 magnus nengard: you could use skype to talk to us from solid ground somewhere ;-)
20:49 nengard as much as i like you all - nothing will get me on a boat for more than a short ride (and only then if there are no roads)
20:50 magnus because of the boat as such or because of waves?
20:52 nengard because it's a floating death trap ... and cause of the rocking ... and cause it's a floating death trap :)
20:53 chris pshaw, its about 1million times safer than a car
20:53 nengard car isn't on water
20:53 nengard :)
20:53 cait nengard: and a flying death trap is better? ;)
20:53 magnus ooh, good one, cait ;-)
20:54 Brooke yeah
20:54 Brooke I'd much rather take me chances swimming than falling.
20:54 chris yeah or burning
20:54 magnus +1
20:54 chris or smashing
20:54 chris or being thrown throw a window
20:54 chris thru even
20:54 nengard not convincing me
20:54 nengard no boats
20:54 Brooke no, no, no. I only wanted to set meself on fire while Bush was Resident.
20:55 magnus resident president? ;-)
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20:57 * cait whispers to magnus: we could kidnap her... don't let her look through windows or on deck... tell her it's underground
20:58 nengard why are we stuck on this being a cruise exactly?
20:58 * magnus whispers to cait: hey, good plan!
20:58 cait magnus?
20:58 ibot rumour has it magnus is an awesome fellow
20:58 cait yeah, because of that
20:58 nengard hehe
20:59 * owen fears good internet connectivity would be a problem on a cruise
20:59 nengard good point
20:59 nengard guess we'll need to hold it ON LAND
21:00 Brooke pff, that's infinitely solveable with Satellite.
21:00 magnus well, does all kinds of geek cruises  i would thnk they have figured that one out ;-)
21:00 * Brooke highfives Magnus
21:00 magnus yay!
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21:03 cait hehe
21:03 magnus kohacruise?
21:03 ibot i heard kohacruise was a good idea
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21:03 nengard magnus didn't even click the link - no boats
21:04 jc_ircdem Hello all, demoing IRC through Mibbit for an intern.
21:04 magnus hiya jc_ircdem
21:04 * owen remembers when insightcruises was geekcruises and they did cruises devoted to Perl and stuff like that
21:04 Brooke Hi there folks on the other side of the interweb tubes.
21:06 magnus owen: i thought that's what they do still? at least they have some mac cruises planned?
21:06 owen magnus: Yeah, but mostly it's much less geeky now, at least less computer-geeky
21:07 owen Now it's science and astronomy and history and, uh... quilting?
21:07 * Brooke suspects Owen is a proprietary geek because he isn't open to starwatchers and history buffs.
21:07 Brooke Get off the lawn!!!!
21:07 * owen is just sorry he missed his chance to ever go on the "Perl Whirl" cruise
21:07 Brooke ask for it again :D
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21:08 Brooke And the Wisconsin Women Library Workers will quilt a fine story.
21:09 owen I have an SQL question:[…]_filled_by_branch
21:09 owen The " concat(date_format(LAST_DAY(now() - interval 1 month),'%Y-%m-%')) "
21:10 owen That would result in "2010-11" ?
21:10 magnus hm, yeah '%Y-%m-%' doesn't look too promising...
21:15 owen why the concat() ?
21:15 magnus beats me, seems it's only concat'ing the one value
21:16 cait sometimes it makes your fields shorter - nicer display
21:16 cait in mysql gui something... not sure about koha ;)
21:17 owen Okay, thanks guys. Time to start the weekend.
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21:18 magnus good idea!
21:20 cait starting the weekend means leaving #koha?
21:21 cait I hope not
21:21 magnus hehe
21:22 jcamins Good night, #koha
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21:22 Brooke night
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21:38 cait chris_n: around?
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22:33 magnus g'night #koha - see you tomorrow!
22:33 trea night magnus
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23:03 cait good night all
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