IRC log for #koha, 2010-12-02

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00:13 wasabi wow, those race-suits are blingy
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01:19 wasabi robin:  about?
01:19 robin wasabi: yup
01:20 wasabi any chance you could flick me your .screen.conf file?
01:20 wasabi i wanted to upgrade to your 'status-bar' thingy :)
01:20 robin wasabi: sure thing, I'll just paste it here, it's short
01:20 robin $ cat /home/robin/.screenrc
01:20 robin hardstatus on
01:20 robin hardstatus alwayslastline
01:20 robin hardstatus string "%{.bW}%-w%{.rW}%n %t%{-}%+w %=%{..G} %H %{..Y} %d/%m%C%a"
01:21 wasabi bamm!, thanx :)
01:21 robin sweet as
01:24 wasabi i wanted that for my screen , for about 5 years! :/
01:24 wasabi lol
01:25 robin hehe
01:25 robin it's quite useful
01:30 wasabi yes, i no longer have to rely on a to do my screen session switching
01:31 wasabi s/session/window/
01:32 robin definitely a benefit :)
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02:18 wasabi bugger, the screen bottom-menu has borken my term's scrollback
02:19 wasabi might has to do some more experimenting...
02:19 wasabi … switch my term perhaps
02:20 robin wasabi: use screen's scrollback
02:21 wasabi yes, i do already… ish
02:21 wasabi but using my screens scrollback, i cant 'cut' properly
02:22 wasabi on multi-screen text
02:22 robin yeah, that's a bit annoying.
02:22 robin not something I have to do a lot, fortunately.
02:22 robin Also, screen has some copy/paste ability itself
02:23 wasabi yep, ive avioded that method so far
02:23 wasabi not everything i do is in a screen session
02:24 wasabi anyhoo, i now have more options, thnx to you
02:24 robin no worries
02:24 wasabi i hope to experiment with a better setup over xmas
02:25 wasabi term/screen setup is a black art, for sure!
02:25 robin let me know what you end up with
02:25 robin it really is
02:25 robin oh
02:25 robin also have a look into tmux, it's like screen
02:25 robin I've never used it, but I know people who quite like it.
02:25 wasabi ive used some gonzo home-grown setups in the past
02:25 wasabi screen and putty even, lol
02:27 wasabi tmux?
02:28 wasabi ibot: tmux?
02:28 ibot wish i knew, wasabi
02:28 wasabi tmux is like screen
02:28 wasabi tmux?
02:28 ibot rumour has it tmux is like screen
02:29 wasabi aaah, thanks ibot
02:29 wasabi and robin, for the tmux tip ;)
02:29 robin no problem :)
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03:28 chris_n ibot: ibot?
03:28 ibot it has been said that i am still small - he needs to learn more :)
03:30 Brooke heh
03:32 robin ibot: status
03:32 ibot Since Wed Dec  1 02:57:45 2010, there have been 41 modifications and 30 questions.  I have been awake for 1 day, 34 minutes, 41 seconds this session, and currently reference 376 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
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03:38 robin ibot: migration is hard
03:38 ibot OK, robin.
03:39 Brooke ibot: botsnack beer
03:39 ibot :)
03:41 robin ibot: be hudsonbot is <reply>I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS
03:41 ibot OK, robin.
03:42 robin ibot: be hudsonbot
03:42 ibot I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS
03:43 Brooke hehehe
03:43 Brooke ibot: be robin is <reply> I'm a swell guy.
03:43 ibot OK, Brooke.
03:43 Brooke ibot: be robin
03:43 ibot I'm a swell guy.
03:43 robin I would never use the word 'swell'
03:44 Brooke ibot: be robin is <reply> I'm a lumberjack.
03:44 ibot ...but be robin is <reply> I'm a swell guy....
03:44 Brooke hehhe
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03:47 * Brooke waves to hdl
03:49 robin ibot: hdl is in France. France is in a galaxy far, far away.
03:49 ibot ...but hdl is looking in Hudson to try and use that for testing search....
03:49 robin ibot: hdl is also in France. France is in a galaxy far, far away.
03:49 ibot okay, robin.
03:49 robin ibot: hdl
03:49 ibot somebody said hdl was looking in Hudson to try and use that for testing search. or in France. France is in a galaxy far, far away.
03:50 robin oh bother
03:50 hdl hi robin
03:50 robin hullo :)
03:50 robin ibot: literal hdl
03:50 ibot robin: hdl =is= looking in Hudson to try and use that for testing search. or in France. France is in a galaxy far, far away.
03:50 Oak \o
03:50 hdl ibot forget hdl
03:50 ibot hdl: I forgot hdl
03:51 robin ibot: hdl is in France. France is in a galaxy far, far away.
03:51 ibot OK, robin.
03:51 * hdl is looking in hudson to try and use that for testing Search.
03:51 * hdl gathers use cases for search
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03:52 Brooke ibot: be druthb
03:52 ibot Brooke: sorry...
03:52 Brooke yes!!!
03:52 kmkale good morning
03:52 robin hi
03:52 ibot hey, robin
03:52 Brooke ibot: be druthb is <reply> Harrumph!
03:52 ibot OK, Brooke.
03:52 hdl hi all
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03:55 * Brooke waves at wizzy
03:56 wizzyrea_ oh hai
03:56 Brooke right. Found a glove. Fought solely sabre. Heard a non Librarian correctly use the word "metadata" in a non Library setting. I can die happy, or alternatively go to sleep.
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03:57 kmkale now what was that?
03:57 chris_n that was Brooke :-)
03:59 kmkale ;)
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05:20 cait hi #koha
05:31 kmkale hi cait
05:31 cait morning kmkale
05:52 kmkale bbl
05:53 cait @wunder Konstanz
05:53 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -2.4�C (6:50 AM CET on December 02, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: -4.0�C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007.3 hPa (Rising).
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06:40 fredericd kmkale: ?
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06:42 cait good morning fredericd
06:42 praba Hi good morning
06:42 cait hi praba
06:43 fredericd good morning cait
06:43 fredericd @wunder Paris
06:43 munin fredericd: Error: No such location could be found.
06:43 praba Hello cait.. Can we speed up borrower bulk import ?
06:43 praba i need to import nearly 5 lacs borrowers..
06:43 cait you have a lot of borrowers to load?
06:43 fredericd @wunder Paris, France
06:43 munin fredericd: The current temperature in Paris, France is -2.0�C (7:30 AM CET on December 02, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: -7.0�C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
06:44 kmkale hi fredericd
06:44 praba its taking too much of time .. is there any other alternative ?
06:44 fredericd kmkale: Would you be available to test a patch and sign-off?
06:44 cait you could split up your borrower file
06:44 kmkale yes if I can understand it ;)
06:44 fredericd It's very basic
06:44 kmkale sure
06:44 fredericd The patch is here:
06:44 fredericd http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ember/013107.html
06:45 kmkale wilco
06:45 fredericd and bug description here:[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5446
06:45 cait praba: you could also create sql statements to fill the table - but this has it's on risks and the borrower upload tool is much safer. I would try to split your file into smaller files if loading from the browser takes too long.
06:45 munin Bug 5446: normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW, Item creation in Acquisition module doesn't control mandatory fields
06:45 praba ya.. Thats wat i'm doing it.. But still it takes lat of time to import
06:46 cait I have only imported up to 1000 borrowers - that was reasonably fast on our server
06:46 cait fredericd: good to see this getting fixed!
06:47 cait fredericd: pootle question: you wrote we have to register again on the new site - what about the rights/permissions?
06:48 praba i have spited files with 8K to 10K borrowers in size.. but the whole process ll take almost 6 days it seems to complete 5 lacs..  right now i'm having members around 3 lacs in mysql db so its too slow to import
06:49 cait @ater tell owen I updated and rebased 5422_state on my repository - could you perhaps test again?
06:49 munin cait: Error: "ater" is not a valid command.
06:49 fredericd cait: Right/permissions will have to be reaffected
06:49 cait @later tell owen I updated and rebased 5422_state on my repository - could you perhaps test again?
06:49 munin cait: The operation succeeded.
06:49 praba cait:: you could also create sql statements to fill the table??  how to do this cait ??
06:50 cait fredericd: ok - drop you a short mail after we registered?
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06:50 cait praba: how many borrowers are you trying to load?
06:50 cait are you matching them with existing borrowers? (this makes things slower in my experience)
06:51 fredericd cait: yes. I count on that to make the acquaintance of translators
06:51 cait fredericd: ok :)
06:52 praba Totals borrowers is around 5 laacs.. already i have loaded 3 lacs to mysql db in GUI mode.. still i have 2 lacs data in different csv files .. each contains 8K to 25K in terms of number
06:52 cait praba: what is a lacs?
06:52 praba cait:Total borrowers is around 5 lacs.. already i have loaded 3 lacs to mysql db in GUI mode.. still i have 2 lacs data in different csv files .. each contains 8K to 25K in terms of number
06:53 fredericd borrowers loading in generally slow. Since it's just a matter of populating one table (more if attributes), I don't understand why
06:53 fredericd A bug could be filled for that
06:54 praba cait: half million borrowers
06:54 cait praba: wow
06:54 cait that's a lot to load from the browser
06:54 praba yea.. moreover mydb already having 3 million books
06:54 cait perhaps you should try loading them via mysql - but be careful with your codes and numbers.
06:55 praba cait :: is there any terminal way to import borrowers?
06:55 cait praba: afaik ther eis no script you can use from the command line
06:56 praba or how can i change .csv files to sql to put in DB directly..
06:56 cait you would have to look at the table structure carefully
06:57 cait and use a script or search/replace things to make it to sql - but perhaps someone else can help you much better with this question
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06:58 praba yea. Looking for help..
06:58 fredericd praba: Do you speak Perl?
06:58 cait if you can try again a bit later - people here change during the day - lots of timezones involved
06:59 fredericd praba: Have you disabled BorrowersLog syspref?
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07:04 praba fredericd: No i didn't do that.. i ll do that now
07:05 praba fredericd: thanks fredericd.
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07:13 praba cait: i'm matching cardnumber with existing borrowers.. how to stop matching with existing borrowers?
07:14 cait I noticed it was slower when I chose overwrite instead of ingore at the bottom of the page - not sure it will help much.
07:15 praba cait : I have chosen ignore if it exist
07:22 kmkale fredericd: I created a new branch of origin/master and trying acq before applying the patch. I cant see any fields with a * while adding item to order :(
07:22 cait kmkale: do you have an ACQ framework created?
07:23 kmkale no
07:23 kmkale 1 min on call
07:23 cait ah, first you can check if you have marked a subifled in your default framework as mandatory - only those should show up as mandatory in acq
07:23 cait and you can create a new framework called ACQ and mark things mandatory for testing
07:24 cait subfields of 952 / 995 depending on your MARC flavor
07:24 cait ok, have to get ready for work - will be back later!
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07:34 fredericd kmkale: You can see * BUT you can also save the order with * item fiels empties
07:34 fredericd The patch add some JavaScript which prevent saving the order with mandatory item fields empty
07:34 kmkale fredericd: creating a acq framework now. WIll mark a few 952 fields such as price etc as mandatory and test
07:35 kmkale then apply the patch and retest
07:35 kmkale is that ok?
07:35 fredericd kmkale: ok. That's it. You will see that you can save the order. That's the problem
07:35 fredericd After applying the patch, you will get an error message
07:38 kmkale ok. I have marked 952 $ e, g & v as mandatory for the acq framework
07:42 kmkale fredericd: I have created a new MARC framework with code ACQ. Still when I try to add to basket in acquisition it says No ACQ framework. What am I doing wrong?
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07:54 kmkale fredericd: ?
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07:55 fredericd kmkale: It's not a problem. The bug is independant of the use framework
07:55 fredericd Default framework is ok in this case
07:57 hdl hi all
07:57 hdl hi fredericd
07:58 kmkale fredericd: but I dont see any * marks, so how will I know if its supposed to stop if these are not filled in?
07:58 fredericd hdl: hello
07:58 fredericd kmkale: Modify an item field of your default framework
07:58 kmkale how do I get rid of the "No ACQ framework.." box?
07:59 fredericd Ignore it. It's not related to the bug handled by the patch
07:59 hdl kmkale: create a framework named ACQ
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07:59 kmkale I went to Home › Administration › MARC Frameworks  and created a new framework with code ACQ
08:00 hdl kmkale: it will use that one for Acquisitions :D
08:00 kmkale then I made a few fields in 952 as mandatory for the ACQ framework
08:00 kmkale still I get "No ACQ framework in Acquisitions :(
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08:04 fredericd kmkale: I have also that... It may be another bug. I take a look. But the patch doesn't deal with that
08:05 fredericd You can try with default framework
08:05 kmkale ok. will try making a few 952 fields in the default framework as mandatory
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08:06 kmkale btw if i try a new catalaouging with the newly created ACQ framework I get a *Can't use string ("") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /home/kk/kohaclone/cataloguing/ line 683.* error
08:07 fredericd kmkale: Sorry I'm wrong. It works with a new created ACQ framework. No bug there. I forgot to populated my new ACQ framrwork with subfields
08:08 fredericd Is your ACQ populated with subfields. Have you created them by copying default framework subfields?
08:08 kmkale yes I created by copying from default framework
08:09 kmkale deleting and retrying to create acq framework
08:09 kmkale as I cant see a way of making default frameworks 952 fields mandatory
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08:09 kmkale ok may be I can
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08:12 fredericd great. Just modify barcode subfield
08:13 kmkale humph. I tried to create a new ACQ framework this time by copying the Fast Add Framework. No go. Still I get "Can't use string ("") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /home/kk/kohaclone/cataloguing/ line 683" when I try catalouging with it.
08:14 kmkale anyway modifying default
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08:25 kf good morning #koha
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08:32 kmkale i think i have ran into bug 4955 here :(
08:32 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4955 critical, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, adding to basket with no item throws error
08:34 kf kmkale: let me check
08:35 kf kmkale: have you selected an item type for your item?
08:35 kf if you do it should save without error - if you forget you will get an evil looking perl or xml error
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08:40 kmkale kf: yes
08:40 kmkale exactly
08:40 kmkale and *lots* of messages in the error log
08:40 kf yeah
08:41 kf it's not good :( you could update the bug with your findings - perhaps it will push it back into people's minds too and someone will fix it.
08:45 kmkale kf: wico
08:45 kmkale s/wico/wilco
08:45 kf wilco?
08:45 kmkale fredericd: I applied the patch and it allowed me to save by just selecting the item type
08:45 kmkale kf: will comply ;)
08:46 kf ah :)
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08:47 kmkale fredericd: whereas in my default framework I have 952$v, g & p as mandatory
08:52 kmkale can anyone help me with why I get "Can't use string ("") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /home/kk/kohaclone/cataloguing/ line 683" when I create a new ACQ framework by from any framework such as default or fast add and  try catalouging with it?
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08:59 kmkale fredericd: perhaps the patch should also check for itemtype as suggested here..[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4955 ??
08:59 munin Bug 4955: critical, P5, ---, henridamien, NEW, adding to basket with no item throws error
09:00 kf kmkale: sorry, never seen that and have a meeting now :(
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09:15 fredericd kmkale: The JavaScript code is in the template. Do you conduct your test using 'en' templates?
09:16 kmkale fredericd: yes
09:17 kmkale fredericd: i checked it. the patch is applied and cleanly
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09:29 marcelr morning all, joining #koha I am looking for someone to signoff three small patches
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09:34 praba hiii ... any solution for borrower quick import?
09:35 praba i have large number of borrowers that has to be imported in to koha
09:48 magnus praba:[…]-manual/?ch=x5928
10:03 praba magnus : the given doc says the standard import.. but in my case. i have half a million patron that has to be imported into koha.. now it is taking too much time to import in GUI mode. any other alternate to this ??
10:04 magnus praba: one alternative is to divide the huge file into smaller ones
10:04 praba <magnus>: FYI i have already turned off borowers log.. and using "ignore if patron exists"
10:05 praba ya.. I have splitted the files and each contains 10K to 25K
10:06 magnus and they are still too big?
10:07 praba file is not big but it is taking too much time to import thats the problem
10:08 praba already 2 lakhs patron is there in DB..
10:08 magnus hm, so you can upload, but the processing is taking too much time?
10:08 praba ya exactly..
10:08 praba i want to reduce the time
10:08 magnus hm, i don't think there is a command line script for importing patrons...
10:09 praba There is no command line solutions.. thought to try csv to sql import but high risk involves in it so keep thinking
10:10 magnus you could create a script that turns your file into SQL-commands and then run tht against the database
10:10 magnus importing csv into the db is as you say another option
10:11 praba yea.. let me give a try on that.. is there any other ideas that i can try ???
10:12 magnus i'm afraid i'm out of ideas...
10:12 magnus btw: that sounds like an impressive amount of borrowers! ;-)
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10:22 praba ya.. and books we have around 3 million
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10:29 kmkale @weather Mumbai
10:29 munin kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 30.0�C (3:40 PM IST on December 02, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
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10:33 magnus @wunder bodo, norway
10:33 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0�C (11:20 AM CET on December 02, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
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10:42 jonefuroy hello folks!
10:42 magnus hiya braedon|l and jonefuroy
10:43 jonefuroy hi magnus
10:43 kf_mtg is now known as kf
10:43 jonefuroy new computer, new network and new try, but still having problems...
10:44 jonefuroy iwe been trying to understand what im doing and not just c&p ewerything... ;)
10:44 magnus too many new things at once? ;-)
10:44 magnus good plan! ;-)
10:44 kf hi magnus and jonefury
10:44 kf junefuroy, sorry
10:45 * jonefuroy = the Fury Koha Newbie NR1
10:45 jonefuroy :)
10:46 jonefuroy is now known as kohaFury1
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10:47 jonefuroy when i run : sudo make test it seems like iwe done something really wrong...
10:48 magnus what does it say?
10:48 jonefuroy Failed 2/19 test programs. 2/38 subtests failed
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10:48 jonefuroy make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 255
10:48 jonefuroy and a lot more... :(
10:49 kf jonefuroy: which version?
10:49 ibot which version are you upgraing from ?
10:49 kf ibot?
10:49 ibot yes, kf?
10:50 jonefuroy koha-3.00.00
10:50 kf that's old
10:51 jonefuroy i try to do ewerything the howto says...just as it says it
10:51 kf is this for production or testing?
10:51 kf which howto are you using?
10:51 kf the installation manuals are updated in the newer releases too
10:52 jonefuroy testing ... and maybe learning how to install so i can use it in production later...
10:52 jonefuroy i used this: http://everydaytechy.blogspot.[…]n-ubuntu-910.html
10:52 jonefuroy but is it because its old i get the errors?
10:53 kf I think the tests failing should not happen in a newer version - although it's probably not as bad as you think
10:57 magnus i would stick with the INSTALL.*-files:[…]p=koha.git;a=tree
11:11 kf jonefuroy: and 3.2.1 has a lot more nice features :)
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11:13 kf jonefuroy: you can download it and look at the install files like magnus suggested - ubuntu is pretty easy to install. I think the howot is perhaps not ideal - I never needed java like it suggests
11:16 jonefuroy sorry guys!
11:16 jonefuroy i had to take a phonecall
11:17 jonefuroy ill try again with the newest version!
11:18 magnus yeah, shouldn't be any reason to install java!
11:20 jonefuroy and gstreamer aswell was maybe a bit odd?
11:24 magnus never heard of it...
11:37 kf me neither
11:38 jonefuroy hmrf ...
11:41 jcamins_a I haven't learned how to scroll back on my new computer yet, but I can definitely say that gstreamer is *not* needed by Koha.
11:41 jcamins_a Gstreamer is used for audio on Linux.
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11:54 jonefuroy i know... strange to put that in howto...
11:55 jcamins_a Very. I'd suggest following the instructions.
11:56 jcamins_a I mean, the instructions that come with Koha.
11:56 kf and ask here if you get stuck :)
11:56 jcamins_a Right.
11:56 kf and hi jared
11:56 jonefuroy ok! Im stuck again... Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost
11:56 kf :)
11:57 kf are you at the web installer step?
11:57 jonefuroy i'm sooo close to giving up :')
11:57 jcamins_a Did you set a password for MySQL/
11:57 kf jonefuroy: it's really not that hard and people will try and help you - don't give up!
11:57 jonefuroy if i did... how can i reset it... i dont think i did... im not shure
11:57 magnus you can do it, jonefuroy!
11:57 jcamins_a This keyboard is going to take some getting used to...
11:58 magnus what did you do to get the error?
11:58 kf it's lunch time here - and I have a meeting later :(
11:58 jonefuroy kf but i feel so stupid
11:58 jonefuroy see ya kf ! thanks
11:58 jcamins_a I'm trying to find the howto you used, so I can hopefully offer you non-speculative advice.
11:58 kf hope you can solve your problems and it was hard for me too the first time (knowing nothing about linux)
11:58 kf but now I can install koha in under an hour :)
11:59 kf http://everydaytechy.blogspot.[…]n-ubuntu-910.html
11:59 jonefuroy I started from scratch... newest koha following[…]5a2602bad;hb=HEAD
11:59 kf ah
11:59 kf ok, going to lunch - see you all later!
11:59 kf is now known as kf_a
11:59 magnus jonefuroy: not stupid, but learning, which is good! ;-)
12:00 magnus jonefuroy: what did you do to get the error?
12:00 jcamins_a jonefuroy: try running: `mysql -uroot`
12:00 jcamins_a (without the -p)
12:00 jonefuroy Update root MySQL password (if dselect didn't do it for you already)
12:01 jonefuroy ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
12:02 jcamins_a Okay.
12:02 jcamins_a And you don't recall setting the password earlier?
12:02 jonefuroy nope
12:03 jonefuroy should i remove mysql and do a fresh install?
12:03 jcamins_a Hm.
12:04 jcamins_a The instructions from the how-to are kind of odd, so I'm not sure where this could have gone wrong.
12:04 jonefuroy mysqladmin -u root -p create koha
12:04 jcamins_a And you tried just hitting enter when it asks you for the password?
12:05 jonefuroy no but check this mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
12:05 jcamins_a Ah-ha!
12:05 jcamins_a There we go.
12:06 jcamins_a MySQL doesn't automatically start on Ubuntu.
12:06 jonefuroy jeeez!
12:06 jcamins_a It will if you restart the computer, but you can avoid that by running: sudo /etc/rc.d/mysql start
12:06 jcamins_a I think that's right.
12:07 jcamins_a No, like this:
12:07 jcamins_a sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start
12:07 * jcamins_a is getting his operating systems confused...
12:09 jonefuroy hmmm new errors, but i think it maybe helped
12:10 jcamins_a What are the errors this time?
12:11 jonefuroy Rather than invoking init scripts through /etc/init.d, use the service(8) utility, e.g. service mysql start  Since the script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to an Upstart job, you may also use the start(8) utility, e.g. start mysql
12:11 jonefuroy i did : $ service mysql start
12:11 jonefuroy start: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.3005" (uid=1000 pid=12217 comm="start) interface="com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.Job" member="Start" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="com.ubuntu.Upstart" (uid=0 pid=1 comm="/sbin/init"))
12:11 jcamins_a o.O
12:11 jcamins_a Try connecting now.
12:13 jonefuroy mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'
12:13 jcamins_a Hm.
12:13 jcamins_a I don't know what to suggest.
12:13 jcamins_a I also need to cook some breakfast.
12:14 jonefuroy im dying here! cant any of you just make a cd that does ewerything by it self! (including importing my catalouge) ;)
12:14 magnus uninstalling and reinstalling might be worth a try as a last resort
12:14 jonefuroy thank you jcamins_a , magnus and eweryone else!
12:15 magnus jonefuroy: there IS a cd
12:15 magnus
12:15 jcamins_a jonefuroy: if you were setting up the computer from scratch, I'd suggest just trying the install.DEBIAN instructions.
12:15 magnus it won't import records, but should give you a running koha
12:15 jonefuroy i know... but I wanted to do it myself...!
12:16 magnus without the satisfaction of having done it the hard way, that is...
12:16 jonefuroy im just being a baby! ill install dabian and begin from scratch!
12:17 magnus nah, you are being a very determined librarian! :-)
12:17 jcamins_a jonefuroy: if you really want Ubuntu, probably INSTALL.ubuntu works.
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12:17 jonefuroy but now i have to go! Thank you guys! I'l be back like crack!
12:18 jonefuroy iwe tried install ubuntu 2 times now..
12:18 jonefuroy but ill dual boot debian and ubuntu... haven't tried debian before so why not!
12:18 kmkale hehe just got the Dell SX2210T touchscreen working with Ubuntu 10.10 Awesome!! :)
12:18 kmkale no multitouch but still nice
12:19 jcamins_a Good luck, jonefuroy.
12:19 jonefuroy see ya guys! bye!
12:19 jcamins_a You can do this! :D
12:20 jonefuroy i would hate to proove you wrong!
12:20 kmkale hi jcamins_a
12:20 jcamins_a Hi, kmkale.
12:20 jcamins_a I'm not really here.
12:20 jcamins_a Despite the fact that I've been talking for forty-five minutes or something like that. ;)
12:20 kmkale :)
12:21 kmkale first ibot now ghosttalker nice going #koha
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12:31 kmkale can anyone recommend me a nice book reader software for Ubuntu? One which has good page flip animation etc?
12:32 kmkale Want o put it on a Kiosk with this Touchscreen in the library
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12:45 kf_a sorry, I don't use reader software
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12:52 kf_a marcelr: thx for sign-off!
12:52 kf_a marcelr++
12:57 marcelr kf_a: got an error on your email address??
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12:58 kf_a hm?
12:59 marcelr perhaps something with sendmail config on test server
12:59 kf_a ah, the address looks right in the mail on koha-patches
12:59 kf_a sorry, have to go - next meeting
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12:59 * druthb arrives, with cookies.
13:00 * jwagner eats cookies
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13:04 kmkale so far I got ybook reader, lucidor, fbreader and calibre
13:05 kmkale hi druthb jwagner
13:09 jwagner Hi kmkale
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13:42 * druthb waves and offers a cookie to owen.
13:42 owen Thanks druthb, but I'm on a diet: I only eat real cookies.
13:43 owen So far it's a pretty awesome diet.
13:43 jwagner owen, these ARE real cookies!  but I'm eating them all up :-)
13:43 * druthb gets out her slingshot, loads a cookie, and aims west.
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13:44 * druthb waves to Nate.
13:45 Nate mornin!
13:58 magnus_a is now known as magnus
13:59 magnus hiya Nate
14:00 Nate morning magnus!
14:01 * magnus is experiencing wind of "Near gale, 16 m/s" - but there's probably a bit more in the gusts
14:01 kf_a morning us :)
14:03 druthb Hi, kf_a !
14:03 kf_a is now known as kf
14:16 * druthb hands magnus an anchor, just in case.  Wouldn't want him to blow away!
14:16 * magnus thanks druthb for the anchor, might come in handy
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14:30 kmkale bye all
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14:37 jcamins Good morning, #koha
14:38 magnus hiya jcamins
14:39 druthb hi, jcamins!
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14:51 magnus hi there sekjal
14:52 sekjal hi, magnus
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14:57 * druthb waves to trea, and offers a cookie.
14:58 trea \o/
14:58 * trea loves cookies
14:59 druthb Chocolate chip.  They're from my grocery, but they're pretty decent.
15:08 * jwagner plots to sneak down the hall & grab yet another one....
15:08 druthb :)  come on down.  leave problems behind.
15:13 wizzyrea jcamins: we made your fudge last night
15:13 wizzyrea it was guuuud
15:13 jcamins :D
15:13 * wizzyrea may require a candy thermometer, however.
15:13 jcamins Isn't it easy, too?
15:14 wizzyrea yea, it's totally easy
15:14 * jcamins got a candy thermometer for the holidays last year.
15:14 wizzyrea FOODNERDS
15:14 wizzyrea :)
15:14 * jcamins desperately wants a baking stone
15:14 jcamins Sadly, he'll have to wait until he moves.
15:16 * wizzyrea mutters with irritation at git. This worked last week you little wank.
15:23 hdl @later tell nengard list koha-docs finally created...
15:23 munin hdl: The operation succeeded.
15:24 hdl @later tell nengard sorry for delay
15:24 munin hdl: The operation succeeded.
15:24 sekjal wizzyrea: I'll see your git irritation, and raise you "issues with proprietary graphics drivers on Ubuntu"
15:25 owen No fair, Linux drivers trump just about everything
15:25 * jcamins just switched to a Mac, and was amazed at the complete lack of problems he encountered setting it up last night
15:26 jcamins It was almost eery.
15:28 wizzyrea heh
15:28 wizzyrea welcome to the dark side
15:28 wizzyrea (we have cookies)
15:28 owen Shiny, shiny cookies.
15:28 * wizzyrea still loves her mac, openness and ideological arguments aside.
15:29 druthb hmmmm.
15:29 * jcamins installed Linux under VirtualBox, too. It took a half hour.
15:29 sekjal for the convenience factor, I probably should have gone with Mac.  Open source is better, but it can take longer to beat into submission
15:29 * magnus hates his mac
15:30 * magnus thinks hate is too strong a word, but...
15:30 jcamins Of course, the speed had less to do with the Mac-ness and more to do with the fact that the new computer is an order of magnitude more powerful than his old one.
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15:38 * druthb waves to cfouts.
15:39 hdl hi cfouts
15:39 hdl hi druthb
15:39 wizzyrea …oh I feel dumb
15:39 druthb hi, hdl.
15:39 wizzyrea stupid spam filter
15:43 cfouts good morning/afternoon hdl
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15:51 magnus dinnertime!
15:51 magnus is now known as magnus_a
15:55 kf hi cfouts
15:56 cfouts greetings, kf
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16:17 nengard hi all - i'm in training say hi to the class
16:17 wizzyrea hi from Kansas :)
16:18 nengard i have a branch transfers limit question - it's a long one
16:18 nengard the way i read this tool it limits letting branches checkin items from other branches - but it also mentions transfers and so i'm confused.  we want to prevent books from being transferred and we want to prevent people from checking in books at branches other than the one that owns the book
16:19 nengard this too seems to say it will do that but we're not seeing that happen - so i want to confirm that i understand properly and if i do then i might need to report a bug
16:21 druthb howdy, class, from Washington, DC!
16:21 wizzyrea hmmm
16:22 nengard not the answer i wanted :)
16:23 * druthb doesn't have an answer, but offers cookies instead!
16:24 nengard heh
16:25 nengard what kind
16:26 nengard (asked by a librarian in the room)
16:26 nengard looks like i might have to come back when more people are around ... is it a holiday and I didn't know it?
16:27 druthb chocolate chip! :)
16:27 wizzyrea I always thought that branch transfers prevented a sending library from sending too many items
16:27 wizzyrea maybe that's a misconception
16:27 druthb No, it's not a holiday, nengard; it's just been pretty quiet this morning.
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16:28 nengard wizzyrea it's just a check box - allow or don't allow
16:28 nengard no numbers can be entered
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16:28 nengard but the description on the page only mentions checkins - not transfers
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16:29 nengard it's all very confusing and i'm pretty sure it doesn't work in any case
16:29 wizzyrea oh I see… looking
16:29 nengard brb
16:30 wizzyrea well it's by itemtype, I'm assuming you were testing with an itemtype that you set rules for?
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16:32 kf hdl: I talked to sekjal about hourly loans, it's his rfc (I think) and afaik it's not sponsored yet
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16:32 sekjal oh, yes, I just responded to that email
16:32 sekjal yes, the RFC was written by me
16:33 sekjal and we're working on getting some sponsorship right now, actually
16:33 kf see it now :)
16:33 kf and you are here
16:33 * kf is getting tired obviously
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16:35 nengard wizzyrea - by rules you mean circ rules?
16:36 nengard or transfer rules
16:36 nengard we turned it off for all item types
16:36 nengard they want no transfers or checkins
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16:38 wizzyrea and you set that for every library?
16:39 nengard yes
16:39 nengard oh wait - just two of them and then tested between the two
16:40 wizzyrea then yea it sounds like it's not working for whatever reason
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16:40 wizzyrea (but I haven't tested… I've got one of my librarians on the phone >.<)
16:41 nengard k
16:45 kf bye all - bbl :)
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17:17 jcamins Time to eat lunch so I can get uptown by 2.
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17:47 cait hi #koha
17:48 trea hello cait
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17:52 cait hi trea :)
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18:08 chris morning
18:09 owen Hi chris
18:09 chris still drinking cat pee owen?
18:10 owen that's what everyone thought when they smelled that drink
18:10 chris hehe
18:10 trea wait, what?
18:10 chris thats a particularly bad smell
18:10 owen It's never good when people walk by your office saying 'What smells like a cat box?'
18:10 chris hehe
18:10 chris[…]iginal/acai-berry
18:11 owen trea: Someone gave me some of that stuff
18:11 trea oh dear
18:11 trea i actually have some orange flavored emergen-c in my cupboard at home
18:12 trea apparently the acai berry smells like a cat box?
18:12 owen Yup. Who knew?
18:12 trea guess that's the price you pay for antioxidants
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18:16 chris heh
18:17 * druthb remembers now why she never quite managed to get into South Park...
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18:18 chris if you werent into it by the 9th season .. you were never going to be :)
18:19 chris the world of warcraft episode though ... that was something approaching art
18:19 trea it was pretty awesome that blizzard agreed to give them a server and the help to get that one done
18:20 chris yep
18:20 * druthb is old enough, of course, to remember both the first season of South Park, and the first season of it's...ermm...predecessor in youthful humor, Beavis & Butt-Head.
18:20 chris smart
18:20 chris i liked the lord of the rings one too
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18:39 chris @wunder wellington nz
18:39 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on December 03, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising).
18:39 chris Gonna be hot
18:42 cait @wunder Konstanz
18:42 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -7.1�C (7:40 PM CET on December 02, 2010). Conditions: Patches of Fog. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: -7.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Steady).
18:42 cait brrrr
18:42 chris druthb: 2nd test starts today
18:43 chris Brr is right
18:46 cfouts cait: I was reading the snow is causing a bit of chaos in parts of Germany right now. Are you in the midst of that?
18:47 cait cfouts: it's still ok down here I think
18:47 cait worse in the north - I am on the south border
18:47 cait travelling by train on the weekend - hope I will not have any trouble
18:48 cfouts trains ought to be able to plow through, I would hope
18:48 cait I don't know what the problem is - but they get late
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19:01 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence ks
19:01 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 10.7�C (1:01 PM CST on December 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020.5 hPa (Steady).
19:02 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:02 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -7.3�C (8:00 PM CET on December 02, 2010). Conditions: Patches of Fog. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: -7.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Steady).
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19:02 owen @wunder 45701
19:02 munin owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 1.1�C (2:00 PM EST on December 02, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Steady).
19:02 cait getting colder hmpf
19:02 owen Better to be in KS today than here
19:02 druthb @wunder 20817
19:02 munin druthb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 4.0�C (2:03 PM EST on December 02, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1020.9 hPa (Steady).
19:04 cait ah, the heading says it's because the routing switches(?) freeze
19:04 cait that's because the trains get late
19:04 cait that's the reason...
19:08 cait @wunder bode, norway
19:08 munin cait: The current temperature in Farm Acreage, Bode, Iowa is -2.0�C (1:07 PM CST on December 02, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019.5 hPa (Steady).
19:08 cait @wunder bodo, norway
19:08 munin cait: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0�C (7:50 PM CET on December 02, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
19:09 owen Looks like quite a place:[…]=0CBcQ8gEwAA&z=14
19:09 druthb Looks like the town I grew up in...eeeeety bitty.
19:14 cait brr -17!!!
19:14 * cait is watching the weather report for tonight
19:14 moodaepo @wunder 56001
19:14 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is -5.7�C (1:15 PM CST on December 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: -10.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020.5 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Watch in effect from Friday afternoon through Saturday morning...
19:21 sekjal holds question
19:22 sekjal for holds that have been waiting longer than the ReserveMaxPickUpDelay system preference number of days, what should be done with them?
19:23 sekjal the Holds Awaiting Pickup screen's 'Over' tab just lists them, and provides a Cancel button, but there doesn't seem to be a way to bulk or automatically cancel them, if there are a lot
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19:26 richard hi
19:26 ibot what's up, richard
19:27 cait sekjal: you have to take them from the shelf - not sure it's something you want to do automagically
19:27 druthb ibot:  botsnack cookie
19:27 ibot :)
19:28 cait perhaps a field that takes the barcode and cancel the hold would be nice
19:28 cait ok, changing laptops, will be back in a few minutes
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19:37 * druthb heads for the bus stop.
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19:40 cait back
19:40 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:40 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -7.6�C (8:40 PM CET on December 02, 2010). Conditions: Patches of Fog. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Rising).
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20:09 hdl hi all
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20:11 wizzyrea hi hdl :)
20:13 hdl hi wizzyrea howdy ?
20:14 wizzyrea I'm doing well, and you? Almost Friday!
20:15 hdl yes... working (9PM here.)
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20:53 darling happy friday morning, kohaland
20:53 wizzyrea :) happy friday darling (that still sounds funny to me)
20:53 darling hehe
20:53 darling yeah
20:53 darling it'll do that
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21:36 robin <-- for anyone still missing Wellington...
21:40 darling ooo, 2 for 1 mojo coffee
21:41 darling i miss the wellington where you could walk down the street w/out getting run over by buses as often
21:42 robin yeah. I still haven't been hit, but I know it's going to happen soon.
21:43 richard interestng that they don't show busses on the image
21:43 darling oooo, I feel some gimp fixes coming on...
21:44 wizzyrea at least it's only busses
21:45 wizzyrea seriously, here, you'd just as soon be hit by one car, then another and another if you tried to walk anywhere
21:45 wizzyrea we don't design for people, we design for cars.
21:45 darling wizzyrea, they're very big buses
21:45 robin and very fast
21:45 wizzyrea I know!
21:45 wizzyrea better than 10 cars though!
21:45 wizzyrea at least you have a chance to dodge between them
21:46 darling true
21:46 wizzyrea but, I do feel your pain, I really liked being able to walk around so easily and not fear for my life from cars all the time
21:47 darling it's sure different, and nice, is why it's been so annoying when they removed one of the pedestrian malls
21:47 darling is still better than a lot of places for sure
21:47 wizzyrea I keep hoping that they'll turn our downtown into a pedestrian mall
21:47 wizzyrea pretty unlikely though
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22:16 mib_mike Hi guy
22:16 mib_mike I was having problems reindexing my catalog.
22:17 mib_mike To make it work, I deleted some records with bad marc
22:17 mib_mike When I say "deleted" I mean via mysql, not koah.
22:18 mib_mike It looks like some one deleted the corresponding item records using koha, as they are in the deleteditems database.
22:19 mib_mike One of the original biblio records has been recreated, and I'd like to add the deleted items to it.
22:19 mib_mike What would be a good way to do that?
22:22 mib_mike One at a time! Please!
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22:24 gmcharlt mib_mike: roughly speaking, insert into items select newbiblionumber, newbiblioitemnumber, other, other, columns from deleteditems where itemnumber = foo;
22:24 gmcharlt then run the script
22:24 gmcharlt, rather
22:29 mib_mike Thanks, gmcharlt.  What does do?
22:29 gmcharlt ensures that the item data is embedded in the bib record so that it can be indexed
22:30 mib_mike Thanks again, that will solve my problem.
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