IRC log for #koha, 2010-11-30

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00:04 jcamins_a is now known as jcamins
00:04 rhcl is now known as rhcl_away
00:06 Brooke I object, sir. Both Chris' sons are adorable, but Chris is afk.
00:07 Brooke @weather
00:07 munin Brooke: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
00:07 Brooke @weather 22314
00:07 munin Brooke: The current temperature in Rosemont - Braddock Heights, Alexandria, Virginia is 8.8�C (7:00 PM EST on November 29, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.48 in 1032.1 hPa (Steady). Flash Flood Watch in effect from late Tuesday night through Wednesday afternoon...
00:09 Brooke @weather Levin, NZ
00:09 munin Brooke: The current temperature in LEVIN, Levin, New Zealand is 19.2�C (1:09 PM NZDT on November 30, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1020.9 hPa (Steady).
00:11 chris back
00:12 jcamins chris: both your sons are adorable, but I only saw the quote from one of them. :)
00:12 chris hehe
00:12 chris the one that can talk gives better quotes
00:13 chris[…]s-expensive-toys/
00:13 chris the younger one is fun too
00:13 * Brooke is in the Ata fan club.
00:14 Brooke well as pleasant this company is
00:14 chris[…]rumsticks-thanks/
00:14 Brooke I need to get my cow arse to fencing.
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00:16 jcamins He looks so surprised that you're photographing him with a drumstick in his mouth.
00:16 chris heh
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00:49 wasabi chris:  i like your feet in the prev. pic :)
01:01 jransom Chris (or anyone) : does Koha allow self issues
01:02 chris yes
01:02 jransom so in theory we could hook up an rfid antenna thingee as well?
01:02 jransom instead of a barcode scanner
01:03 chris yes
01:03 jransom (I don't know what my next question is :)
01:03 * druthb googles for rfid antenna thingees.  :)
01:03 chris[…]-manual/?ch=x7851
01:04 jransom heres one:
01:04 jransom ok.
01:05 jransom so I thinkmy next question is about adding credit to your koha account / making payments using eftpos or creditcard or a cash and coin handler
01:05 jransom has that been done?
01:05 chris no
01:06 jransom at the patron end .... wonders how hardthat bit could be
01:06 chris not hard, just takes time
01:07 jransom wonders much money in comparision to a proprietary purhase plus yearly licence fees
01:08 jransom Chris: I think we should trail self issue
01:08 chris i cant imagine how it could possibly cost more
01:08 jransom suck it and see
01:09 chris specially if you already have a merchant account and everything you need, the coin feeder is a whole other thing of course
01:09 druthb software-wise, it shouldn't be insanely hard...little bit of finicky programming, but nothing earth-shaking.    Hardware might or might not be cheap.
01:09 chris theres a bunch of hardwre involved there, that always makes it expensive
01:11 jransom pondering ....
01:11 jransom seems a bit bloody stupid to go and something propreotary when its half done already .....
01:11 jransom (was going to try and stay from the bleeding edge of develeopment for awhile ....)
01:14 jransom Chris: I think we should give it crack aye :)
01:14 chris yup
01:14 jransom MJ has done a bit of work on RFID i think
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01:15 * druthb is having withdrawls from her latest addiction.  It's chris's fault!
01:15 chris well the rfid is all sep, what makes it hard is when the rfid system does retarded things that mean you need to decode the results
01:16 chris if it just gives you a barcode, just like a barcode scanner would, no extra work is needed
01:19 jransom (has a headache just thinking about it )
01:20 chris the important thing is beat your vendor into giving you something that doesnt involve putting an extra layer of software between the wand and the ils
01:21 jransom yep - wanting to avoid that at all costs
01:24 druthb chris, I keep looking at ESPN cricinfo, forgetting that the second Test doesn't start until Friday.  :/
01:24 chris hehe yeah
01:24 druthb Five days of watching that page--got to be a habit.
01:24 chris is it friday aus time?
01:24 druthb yah.
01:25 chris well only thurs for you then
01:25 druthb Thursday evening, then get up in the morning, just after "Stumps."
01:25 chris[…]eries/464517.html
01:25 jransom meeting a vendor on thursday
01:25 jransom to realy get to the nitty gritty
01:25 jransom trying to think of all the questions
01:25 chris you can watch nz vs india tomorrow
01:25 druthb oooo
01:25 chris its a one dayer
01:33 chris good thing with cricket is becasue its played all over the world, there is almost always a game on somewhere :)
01:34 druthb It's theoretically played in the US, but our team, like our football team, stinks, compared to other countries.  (And US Cricket only has one American on it....  :/ )
01:34 chris yup
01:35 robin chris: did you see that there was a story in today's Stuff about @TheAshes?
01:35 chris hehe sweet
01:35 chris ill tweet her that
01:36 robin[…]ores-free-flights <-- chris
01:37 chris noice
01:37 chris gotta love the internet
01:38 chris im gonna get me one of them there tshirts
01:39 darling love that
01:39 munin New commit(s) kohagit: bug 4451 followup - don't need /g for this replace <[…]6bee54a344d526fb7> / Fix for Bug 4451 Batch item tool can't process file with Windows line endings <[…]1fd4c03acb1859d20>
01:39 munin New commit(s) kohagit32: bug 4451 followup - don't need /g for this replace <[…]4d4b3b8bec4cf6e71> / Fix for Bug 4451 Batch item tool can't process file with Windows line endings <[…]0f461c97d5cfc966c>
01:45 hudsonbot Starting build 49 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:45 hudsonbot Starting build 179 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:46 chris man is chris_n just sitting there waiting for me to push and BAM he pushes too
01:46 chris seriously that was within minutes
01:50 * chris_n figures its easier to keep up than to catch up ;-)
01:50 chris :)
01:56 chris
01:58 chris darling++ #thanks for the solr email
01:58 darling chris, no worries
01:58 darling er, loads of worries
01:58 chris heh
01:58 darling solr scares the crap out of me
01:59 darling but it's very fast
01:59 chris yeah, i think having it as an option is good, but i dont like it as the only option
01:59 darling agree
01:59 darling and is a great excuse to make nice interfaces
01:59 chris :)
01:59 darling i am learning a lot about it this week on wrms
02:00 chris cool
02:00 darling enough to see there's way more to know
02:00 chris yeah, its a big pile of things, solr + lucene + some kinda webserver + java
02:01 darling and a bag of spare mem sticks
02:01 chris yup
02:01 darling but it's very fast
02:01 chris it is indeed
02:02 chris it does work well, until it asplodes
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02:13 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #179: SUCCESS in 28 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/179/
02:13 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 4451 Batch item tool can't process file with Windows line endings
02:13 hudsonbot * Galen Charlton: bug 4451 followup - don't need /g for this replace
02:14 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #49: SUCCESS in 28 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/49/
02:14 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 4451 Batch item tool can't process file with Windows line endings
02:14 hudsonbot * Galen Charlton: bug 4451 followup - don't need /g for this replace
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02:31 chris yay for hudson
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02:34 chris go back to bed cait1
02:35 * jcamins gives cait1 a mug of kava tea
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03:08 jcamins Good night, #koha
03:08 jcamins is now known as jcamins_a
03:08 Brooke night
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03:15 * Brooke goes to grab a nice ole slab of pie after a wee bit of sabre rattling in order to fuel some case hist.
03:15 * druthb heads out to bed.
03:17 Brooke night
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03:34 * Brooke waves at Oak
03:34 Oak Oak hugs Brooke
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04:13 Brooke okay, legalese has once again successfully made me sleepy :D
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04:40 robin I'm trying to write an internal value into 999$s using ModBiblio, but Koha is actively removing it. Any ideas why?
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04:50 kmkale good morning all
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05:04 cait1 good morning #koha
05:10 brendan morning
05:11 cait1 hi brendan :)
05:18 kmkale reading logs, what is the typical rfid tag cost?
05:19 kmkale cait1: you have caught the no sleep bug from chris and gmcharlt?
05:19 cait1 no, I forgot to turn of irc :)
05:19 kmkale :)
05:19 cait1 was git fetching the catalyst repo and had to leave the computer on - it took forever
05:19 cait1 kmkale: not sure about the cost
05:20 cait1 one of our libraries is using rfid though and another is implementing it at the moment
05:20 kmkale yup I left my laptop on yesterday to fetch android sdk n stuff
05:20 kmkale The institute sponsoring has 5 libraries and is very interested in RFID
05:21 kmkale with Koha of course
05:21 cait1 we are not using renewals, but checkout and checkin work great
05:22 cait1 we have a problem with checkin - because the hold is not triggered and people can take the book from the cart and check it out
05:22 cait1 have to retest that with 3.2
05:23 kmkale This one is a college so primary concern is cost :(
05:23 cait1 I am not sure how much they paid :(
05:23 cait1 we were not really involved in that part - just saying: write sip2 and koha in your contract
05:24 kmkale and that worked? man we need such suppliers in India.
05:24 kmkale most vendors here have only VB based interfaces to any kind of hardware.
05:25 cait1 we use a little extra software at the desk
05:27 kmkale like converting to koha understandable barcode and feeding to Koha?
05:27 cait1 keyboard buffer solution to write the rfid numbers into koha's interface
05:27 cait1 reading out the number from the tag and write it into the field
05:27 kmkale cool
05:27 kmkale you guyz developed the buffer or the vendor?
05:28 cait1 they use f-keys for that, one to write and unlock, one to read and lock
05:28 cait1 no, the vendor already had the software
05:28 cait1 it's a common solution if you don't have direct integration in the ils
05:29 kmkale great
05:29 cait1 I think the library is happy with it, but they don't have a lot of transactions
05:30 kmkale Any idea what kind / make of rfid tags do they use?
05:32 cait1 uh
05:32 cait1 we only talked about the data model
05:33 kmkale cool. i guess it doesn't matter as we will have to work with whats available here
05:44 cait1 chris: around?
05:46 cait1 git checkout master
05:46 cait1 gna
05:52 brendan kmkale last time I checked maybe two years ago I thought the RFID tags were about .50 cents USD
05:53 brendan I think we can get them cheaper but that's a big bulk purchase
05:53 brendan s/we/one
05:55 cait1 as you are both awake now... some feedback for bug 3777? :)
05:55 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3777 trivial, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Field Sizes Inconsistent
05:57 kmkale thatnks brendan I was on a call. Here for reprogrammable rfid tags the cost quoted is about Rs 30/-
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06:06 brendan cait1 how about extending the userid field?
06:07 cait1 is now known as cait
06:07 cait oh, it's missing in my list
06:07 cait do you have a request for that?
06:08 brendan I think it's like 30 characters now..  I don't think it would hurt to make it longer - that way users could use an email address?
06:08 brendan maybe 50 characters
06:08 cait could you file a bug for that?
06:09 cait I will include it in my changes then
06:21 brendan @wunder 93117
06:21 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 5.2�C (10:17 PM PST on November 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.38 in 1028.7 hPa (Rising). Frost advisory in effect from 2 am to 9 am PST Tuesday...
06:24 cait thx brendan
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07:28 bfleming @wunder 59047
07:28 munin bfleming: The current temperature in Livingston, Montana is -7.0�C (11:53 PM MST on November 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: -16.0�C. Windchill: -18.0�C. Pressure: 30.37 in 1028 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect until noon MST Wednesday...
07:28 bfleming finally warmed up a bit
07:28 cait @wunder Konstanz
07:28 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -6.3�C (8:25 AM CET on November 30, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: -6.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Steady).
07:28 cait args
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07:36 chris @wunder wellington nz
07:36 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (8:15 PM NZDT on November 30, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
07:37 chris if it drops 1 degree, its gonna rain
07:37 chris i hope it does
07:37 brendan @wunder 93117
07:37 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 4.2�C (11:32 PM PST on November 29, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029.0 hPa (Steady). Frost advisory in effect from 2 am to 9 am PST Tuesday...
07:37 brendan getting close to frost
07:39 chris yeah
07:40 kmkale hi chris
07:40 chris hi kmkale
07:43 cait brendan: 4.2C and you are complaining? ;)
07:43 brendan heh
07:43 brendan yup - no that I live in California - I get to :)  I used to live in the cold
07:44 brendan @wunder 06798
07:44 munin brendan: The current temperature in Washington Woodbury Road, Roxbury, Connecticut is 1.9�C (2:39 AM EST on November 30, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 0.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.59 in 1035.8 hPa (Falling).
07:44 brendan not too bad
07:45 cait @wunder reutlingen
07:45 munin cait: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is -6.4�C (8:45 AM CET on November 30, 2010). Conditions: Light Freezing Fog. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -12.0�C. Windchill: -6.0�C. Pressure: 28.56 in 967.0 hPa (Steady).
07:46 cait ok, time to go to work :)
07:47 cait bbl
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08:21 magnus ata marie, #koha!
08:21 chris hiya magnus
08:22 magnus hi chris
08:23 magnus chris on twitter: "you can get all your due dates out as ics" - what's "ics"?
08:23 chris
08:24 chris try the url
08:24 chris user:chris pass:chris
08:24 chris and it should give you a file you can open with your calendaring software
08:24 magnus ah, cool
08:25 magnus which url?
08:25 chris
08:26 chris should work in your system too
08:26 chris i think i wrote it in 2006, and it mostly still works :)
08:27 magnus :-) that is so cool, and i didn't know it existed...
08:28 magnus is there a link to it anywhere in the opac interface, or do you have to know the url?
08:28 chris there used to be
08:28 chris not sure when it got removed, we should test it all works well, fix it if it doesnt and put the link back
08:31 magnus hm, i get to download a calendar file - guess that means users have to remember to do it every so often... would it be possible to have an interface that e.g. iCal could "subscribe" to?
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08:31 jonefuroy hi all! n00b alert! ;)
08:31 magnus guess that would mean making obscure URLs or putting username/password in the url...
08:31 magnus hiya jonefuroy!
08:32 jonefuroy when trying togit clone git:// kohaclone  " fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly"
08:33 magnus try git://
08:33 jonefuroy aarghh! its just c&p and I cant get it to work!
08:33 magnus it got moved and the wrong URL is still given somewhere, i think
08:33 magnus where did you find the url?
08:33 chris magnus: yeah, that was my next plan an md5 hash
08:34 jonefuroy thank you!
08:34 magnus chris: that would be so cool!
08:34 jonefuroy *I'll be back* ;)
08:38 magnus chris: i can create a bug for the link to the existing ics-script, if you don't mind, lest we forget...
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08:41 kf hi #koha
08:41 chris magnus: yep, good idea
08:42 magnus guten morgen kf
08:43 kf hi chris and magnus
08:55 chris[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4451
08:55 munin Bug 4451: normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Batch item tool cannot process barcode file with Windows line endings
08:55 chris check it out
08:56 chris i added a new field patch status
08:56 chris it only shows up, when patch-sent is set
08:56 chris im going to set it to patch pushed from now on, when i push a patch
08:56 chris so its easy to do a report to find all those ones that need to be tested
08:57 magnus cool!
08:59 magnus and useful
09:06 kf chris++
09:07 magnus chris++ # yeah!
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09:34 kf chris: anything I can do about bug 5423?
09:34 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5423 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Deleted Patrons are no longer saved in table deletedborrowers
09:35 kf perhaps persuade magnus to test and sign-off? ;)
09:35 chris yep, or colin
09:35 chris or anyone :)
09:36 kf ibot?
09:36 ibot kf?
09:36 kf anyone?
09:37 kf magnus?
09:37 ibot rumour has it magnus is an awesome fellow
09:38 magnus hm, if i can put it off until this evening? got some things i have to get done now...
09:40 kmkale chris in the same vein what can I do about bug 5418?
09:40 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5418 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, New itemBarcodeInputFilter for libsuite8 style barcodes
09:46 chris again, needs a signoff
09:48 hdl kf and kmkale will try and do some tonight
09:48 hdl hi chris
09:50 kf hdl: that would be nice, thx
09:50 kf it's an evil bug
09:50 hdl kf this was already coped I think in BibLibre member circ branch.
09:50 hdl But yes it is an evil bug.
09:51 hdl (and well hidden)
09:51 kf yeah, but no patch was sent and the problem is in there since june
09:52 kf and no bug was filed - it doesn't help if it's only on your branch and nobody knows :(
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09:54 hdl kf: yes... But it doesnot help to have to double work opening bugs... rebasing all the work... Adding important new features. I try to do my best... But time is running fast.
09:55 kf same here - I meant no offense
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09:55 hdl i took no offense.
09:55 kf I think some problem in your branches are already fixed, because nobody knew htere was a patch for that - and we should work on that
09:55 hdl jsut stating things.
09:55 kf not to double up efforts
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09:58 kf this is a data loss bug - so it should have been a blocker in 3.2
09:58 hdl I should in fact take time to review all the bugs and stress out all the bugs fixed.
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09:58 hdl in our branches.
09:59 hdl Oh god why have you made only 24hours a day.
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10:09 kf I wonder about that myself a lot
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10:12 chris ok thats enough poking at hudson
10:12 chris time for sleep
10:13 chris !hudson status
10:13 hudsonbot status of all projects:
10:13 hudsonbot Koha_3.0.x: last build: 2 (1 mo 0 days ago): FAILURE: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]job/Koha_3.0.x/2/
10:13 hudsonbot Koha_3.2.x: last build: 49 (8 hr 28 min ago): SUCCESS: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/49/
10:13 hudsonbot Koha_Master: last build: 179 (8 hr 28 min ago): SUCCESS: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/179/
10:13 kf good night chris
10:14 kmkale yay dodgy net connectivity today
10:14 kmkale thanks hdl
10:14 hdl good night chris.
10:14 hdl kmkale: thank me when it will be done pls
10:15 kmkale will do that but thanks now for the intent ;)
10:25 brendan_l heya hdl :)
10:31 jcamins_a is now known as jcamins
10:31 jcamins Good morning, Europe.
10:37 magnus hiya jcamins
10:38 kf hi jcamins
10:38 kf early for you?
10:59 jcamins Yes.
10:59 jcamins Horribly so.
10:59 jcamins My mother-in-law has a 9am flight home.
11:00 hdl hi brendan_l
11:01 brendan_l :)
11:03 magnus jcamins: a mixed blessing? ;-)
11:03 jcamins magnus: yeah. But now that I'm up, I should really get some work done before I leave for class.
11:49 * jcamins heads off for a rather pointless class... but at least it's the *very last* one in library school.
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12:26 druthb Good morning, #koha.
12:27 hdl hi druthb
12:37 kmkale hi druthb
12:37 druthb :)
12:38 * druthb waves to hdl and kmkale
12:38 kf hi druthb
12:39 druthb :)
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13:15 * jonefuroy is back with silly n00b questiones!
13:16 jonefuroy i have just installed koha folowing the directions in "[…]LL.ubuntu;hb=HEAD"
13:17 jonefuroy but when i try to point my browser at http://localhost/ it just says its working and nothing more!!!
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13:19 jonefuroy "Point your browser to http://<servername>:8080/"
13:20 jonefuroy actually says not found!
13:21 bigbrovar did u install koha on the machine u are working on or on a remote machine
13:21 bigbrovar jonefuroy: .
13:21 jonefuroy i started on the one im working on
13:21 jonefuroy started=installed
13:22 bigbrovar ok in that case try
13:23 jonefuroy Network Access Message: The page cannot be displayed
13:23 bigbrovar that is if u installed koha on the machine u have physical access to and that machine has a gui and a web browser
13:23 jonefuroy it does...
13:23 jonefuroy hmmrf! :(
13:23 bigbrovar what is the ip address of the machine
13:23 jonefuroy im on that machine now
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13:24 bigbrovar what is the ip address of the machine
13:25 jonefuroy im trying to fin out...
13:25 bigbrovar u can go to terminal and run ifconfig
13:25 jonefuroy :
13:25 jonefuroy inet addr
13:26 bigbrovar ok try
13:26 jonefuroy im trying
13:28 jonefuroy nope... not working
13:28 bigbrovar are u sure koha is running?
13:29 bigbrovar service koha-zebra-daemon start
13:29 jonefuroy oh my!
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13:29 jonefuroy koha-zebra-daemon: unrecognized service
13:30 jonefuroy sems tha my zebra is not doing to good!
13:30 jonefuroy im sorry for wasting your time... im completely fresh at this!
13:30 bigbrovar jonefuroy: its ok .. I was once like that
13:31 kf jonefuroy: if you get it works it's probably your apache conf file
13:32 jonefuroy i should be able just to c&p this right ? # README.Debian.gz  # NameVirtualHost *:80  Listen 80 Listen 8080  <IfModule mod_ssl.c>     # If you add NameVirtualHost *:443 here, you will also have to change     # the VirtualHost statement in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default-ssl     # to <VirtualHost *:443>     # Server Name Indication for SSL named virtual h
13:32 jonefuroy sorry
13:32 kf is localhost working?
13:32 jonefuroy i should be able just to c&p this right:  sudo -u ${KOHA_USER} zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
13:32 jonefuroy yes it is kf
13:32 bigbrovar jonefuroy: try using
13:34 kf bigbrovar: it's not a zebra problem, it's the apache settings
13:34 kf jonefuroy: you have not run the webinstaller right?
13:35 bigbrovar kf: yeah I had same problem had to make some adjustment to koha apache settings
13:35 kf what I normally do for my dev installs is enter the ip address of my machine into the virtual host settings
13:35 jonefuroy okay...?
13:35 magnus_a is now known as magnus
13:35 kf I am not sure it's hte right way to do it for a production system
13:37 magnus jonefuroy: if you get "it works" the default site is probably "gettting in the way"
13:38 jonefuroy okay...
13:38 magnus jonefuroy: try this on the commandline: sudo a2dissite default
13:38 magnus and then: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 reload
13:38 kf thx magnus
13:40 jonefuroy no luck!
13:41 kf you can look at your /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha file
13:41 bigbrovar can u your /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha to
13:41 kf hehe
13:41 jonefuroy 2 sec
13:42 jonefuroy
13:43 jonefuroy 99:   ServerName koha1:8080
13:44 kf looks like you have the wrong ip in there
13:44 kf you told us earlier, but the file says
13:44 jonefuroy sorrysorry...
13:45 kf no need to be sorry - but perhaps that's the problem?
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13:45 jonefuroy its still not working
13:47 jonefuroy i disabled #NameVirtualHost  like the howto said... was that wrong?
13:48 bigbrovar jonefuroy: in my configuration my <VirtualHost section is like this <VirtualHost *:80>
13:50 jonefuroy do you have LISTEN 80 and LISTEN 8080 as well?
13:50 bigbrovar I have them commented out
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13:51 jonefuroy i the get this NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts
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13:53 bigbrovar did u comment out NameVirtualHost *:80  ?
13:53 jonefuroy i did so fist... but now its not commented out!
13:54 bigbrovar and also have it commented out in /etc/apache2/ports.conf
13:54 jonefuroy and i did reload apache!
13:55 jonefuroy
13:55 bigbrovar make sure u back up the original config before you make ur back up
13:56 bigbrovar comment out this  NameVirtualHost *:80
13:56 magnus_ jonefuroy: here's part of my setup: you would use koha1 instead of kohanor32
13:56 bigbrovar and comment it out in /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha
13:57 jonefuroy thanks ill try
13:58 bigbrovar make sure u restart apache when u do
14:10 bigbrovar 2 how can I get pazpar2 to work. I had it configured and installed when installing koha from source. But I cant seem to get it to work (I don't even know if it is running) but when I enable it in preferences amazon cover doesnt work in opac and search is sometimes broken
14:16 jonefuroy thanks alot bigbrova and kf it did not work soand now im going home... Will keep on trying!
14:17 jonefuroy bigbrovar
14:17 ibot bigbrovar is probably downloading the latest release now
14:18 magnus jonefuroy is one determined librarian
14:18 magnus jonefuroy
14:18 ibot i think jonefuroy is one determined librarian
14:18 magnus ;-)
14:21 jonefuroy haha!
14:24 jonefuroy and a lazy one... any reason to not see the students at the school!
14:27 magnus Laziness Impatience Hubris
14:28 bigbrovar jonefuroy: thats the spirit :)
14:30 drb_mtg is now known as druthb
14:49 bigbrovar is there any docs on how to setup pazpar2 and get it to work. how do I even know if its running
14:53 magnus bigbrovar: beats me, i've never seen any koha specific docs for it
14:53 magnus maybe check out the docs at
14:55 jwagner owen, online?
14:55 owen Yes
14:55 bigbrovar magnus:  where u able to get it to work?
14:55 jwagner Trying to check your fix for Bug 4359
14:55 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4359 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, noItemTypeImages not active in OPAC
14:56 jwagner I just updated to current head -- if I'm reading bugzilla right, the patch should be there, correct?
14:56 jwagner I'm not seeing any difference -- icons are still showing in OPAC.
14:58 magnus bigbrovar: never tried, sorry...
14:59 hdl bigbrovar: Chris or miguel or maybe Amit could be of some help in that purpose.
14:59 owen jwagner: Are you looking at the detail page?
15:00 * owen finds it's working for the detail page and the advanced search page
15:00 jwagner Yes
15:00 jwagner I'm seeing icons on both advanced search and detail page
15:01 jwagner noItemTypeImages is set to "don't show" -- this patch still uses that syspref, right?
15:01 jwagner I wasn't sure if the patch was in current head or in the 3.2.1 line, or both.
15:01 owen What does mysql say? select value from systempreferences where variable = 'noItemTypeImages';
15:02 jwagner The table value is 1 -- the interface says Don't Show
15:04 kmkale bye all
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15:05 jwagner owen, which codeline are you on?
15:05 owen HEAD
15:05 jwagner So am I.  Hmmm.  I just did a git pull this morning, so it should be current.
15:06 jwagner About says
15:07 owen Anyone else care to test for us?
15:07 jwagner I'm trying to be a good citizen & close the patch, but it's not cooperating :-(
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15:10 owen Hi wizzyrea_
15:10 wizzyrea_ hey owen
15:11 owen wizzyrea_: Do you have an installation of HEAD that you could test Bug 4359 on?
15:11 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4359 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, noItemTypeImages not active in OPAC
15:12 wizzyrea_ I do but (and it's a big one ha) i'm not inside that network atm.
15:17 owen As Pee-wee said, "Everyone I know has a big 'but'"
15:17 * druthb falls out of her chair.
15:20 druthb @quote add <owen> As Pee-wee said, "Everyone I know has a big 'but'"
15:20 munin druthb: The operation succeeded.  Quote #108 added.
15:22 jwagner Hmm.  I'm not seeing the fix for Bug 5051 in current head either.
15:22 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5051 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Renewal due date doesn't always show on patron Checkout tab
15:22 jwagner If Chris Cormack says he pushed the patch, it should be in current head, yes?
15:23 owen Yes
15:23 jwagner That's what I thought.  I don't yet have a dev server tracking 3.2.1 etc., but I am tracking head.
15:24 owen jwagner: I think something must be up with your install. That bug is fixed for me.
15:28 jwagner It's the same server I've been using for current head for a while, but this is the first time I've updated it since 3.2 went official.  druthb checked & it is tracking head.  I dunno.  If someone else has a chance to test those two on current head, I'd appreciate hearing the results.
15:28 rhcl_away is now known as rhcl
15:29 owen Compare the version of circulation.tmpl on your server to the one in git:[…]f80035131;hb=HEAD
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15:30 jwagner owen, what am I looking for there?
15:31 sekjal testing this on a 2hr old git pull of master:  I get a renewal due date box and calendar for patrons that haven't checked out today
15:31 owen Try this jwagner: Check to see if you have the file intranet-tmpl/prog/en/include​s/
15:33 jwagner No, I don't.
15:33 owen Then you're not up to date.
15:33 owen That file was introduced with the fix for Bug 5051
15:33 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5051 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Renewal due date doesn't always show on patron Checkout tab
15:33 jwagner git pull thinks I am.
15:33 * owen shrugs
15:34 owen What does git say when you say 'git log' ?
15:34 jwagner Ha.  druthb thinks she has spotted the problem.  Give us a second to change the config.
15:36 * druthb instructs jwagner to cross her fingers...this *should* work...
15:37 druthb owen:  do you have, as your top commit, d056b2f62a7f971126590236bee54a344d526fb7, for Bug 4451?
15:37 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4451 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, Batch item tool cannot process barcode file with Windows line endings
15:37 owen Yes
15:37 druthb Good.   Thanks.
15:38 druthb jwagner:  try now?
15:38 * owen wonders if jwagner wasn't using the magic words, "git please"
15:39 jwagner No, I was using the magic words, "Ruth, HELP!!!"
15:39 jwagner That seems to have done it, I'm seeing both fixes now.  (After some arguments with the config and the web installer...)
15:39 jwagner Thanks for checking!
15:39 * druthb wiggles her eyebrows.
15:40 jwagner druthb++
15:40 druthb woo hoo!  thanx!
15:40 wizzyrea_ druthb++
15:41 druthb :)  'twerent nuthin'.
15:42 druthb @karma druthb
15:42 munin druthb: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 41 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 41.
15:43 * owen is glad his fixes aren't all a figment of his imagination
15:43 druthb @karma jwagner
15:43 munin druthb: Karma for "jwagner" has been increased 50 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 50.
15:48 jwagner Oh, no! druthb is gaining on me!!!
15:50 kf druthb++
15:50 * kf goes and hides
15:50 * druthb happy-dances.
15:50 * jwagner thinks kf won't be getting any cookies from ME today!
15:51 kf I have still chocolate fudge :)
15:51 jwagner Harrumph!  That won't last forever, though!
15:52 kf I can work on being nice tomorrow... should last for the rest of the week...
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15:54 * druthb will share her cookies with kf anytime!
15:56 kf :)
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15:59 owen So who is Prosentient and why aren't they part of the Koha community?
15:59 owen http://listserve.prosentient.c[…]iewforum.php?f=21
16:00 wizzyrea_ whoa
16:00 wizzyrea_
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16:03 magnus "The Inter-Search LMS is based around the Koha open source core" - "We have extended the Koha core to provide a rich hosted solution to your Library Management needs."
16:04 owen Love those "based around open source" products :|
16:04 magnus nah...
16:04 trea ./sigh
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16:06 kf Inter-Search Koha tm?
16:08 magnus the title says Inter-Search(tm) Koha...
16:08 wizzyrea_ i bet the TM is on Inter-Search
16:08 wizzyrea_ not on Koha
16:08 jcamins_a is now known as jcamins
16:09 jcamins Good morning, #koha
16:09 kf bottom of the page
16:09 * jcamins looks at his e-mail and blanches
16:10 wizzyrea_ lol, does this link work: http://pericles.ipaustralia.go[…]o=10&p_rec_all=13
16:10 wizzyrea_ owch.
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16:11 druthb Hi, jcamins.  :)
16:11 jcamins Koha coffee?
16:11 wizzyrea_ also
16:11 wizzyrea_ http://pericles.ipaustralia.go[…]o=13&p_rec_all=13
16:11 owen I thought ATMOS was this:[…]c_Omission_System
16:12 trea me2
16:12 wizzyrea_ and me
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16:12 trea bloody sontarans
16:17 kf inter-search koha - 26-MAY-2010
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16:17 wizzyrea_ aha
16:18 wizzyrea_ so very recent
16:18 wizzyrea_ well
16:18 wizzyrea_ not very but pretty
16:18 kf not very nice without any appearance in the community at all
16:19 wizzyrea_ yea, definitely not
16:19 wizzyrea_ especially considering that the guy who registered the domain talks a lot about the community in his papers and such
16:19 wizzyrea_ s/talks about/makes a lot of judgementes
16:20 wizzyrea_ hrmph.
16:24 jcamins Carpooling?
16:25 * magnus wanders off to move some snow around
16:25 magnus is now known as magnus_a
16:28 chris jwagner: if your about page says then you arent on head, head is 3.03
16:28 jwagner chris, thanks -- problem in git config, now solved.
16:29 jwagner About now says
16:29 chris thats more like it
16:29 jwagner (and what are you doing up this early???)
16:29 chris kids
16:29 jwagner Ah.
16:30 chris they are back asleep now tho
16:30 kf hi chris
16:30 chris wizzyrea_: there was someone from prosentient at kohacon
16:30 * kf hands chris some chocolate fudge
16:30 jwagner chris, who?
16:30 wizzyrea_ OH was it edmund?
16:30 chris cant remember
16:30 chris some australian tho, i did talk to him at thelibrary
16:31 jcamins chris_n: Do I need to do something else with bug 5311? The status is CLOSED FIXED, but you posted another comment on the bug.
16:31 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5311 normal, P5, ---, koha, CLOSED FIXED, Language dropdown in advanced search broken?
16:31 chris was only there for conference proper, seemed nice enough
16:32 chris wasnt the owner
16:33 chris_n jcamins: nope; I just marked it closed as the present maintenance release includes the fix
16:33 jcamins chris_n: Oh, I thought I'd done that previously. Sorry.
16:33 chris_n jcamins: as a rule, the bug reporter should mark RESOLVE FIXED and VERIFIED
16:34 chris_n then when a release is made with the fix the bug is marked CLOSED
16:34 jcamins Ah.
16:34 jcamins I see.
16:35 kf oh
16:35 kf is this on the wiki yet
16:35 kf ?
16:37 chris_n kf: there is a link "Status" right on the bug report which leads to[…]ields.html#status
16:37 kf cool :)
16:37 chris_n which explains the generally accepted use of the various status markers
16:38 chris speaking of which
16:38 * chris_n thinks there may be a link to that on the wiki bug report section as well
16:38 chris that needs to have my new patch status thing added
16:38 * chris_n thinks it is there
16:38 chris_n opps
16:38 chris_n you mean on the help page
16:38 chris yeah
16:39 chris if you change the dropdown on priority to patch sent
16:39 chris you should get a new drop down appear under the sponsored one
16:39 * chris_n really wishes his shoes were made of chocolate so when he put his foot in his mouth it would be more enjoyable
16:39 chris which i am now going to use when i push patches
16:40 chris_n nice
16:40 chris so that we can do reports
16:40 chris on all the ones that are awaiting testing
16:40 larsw chris_n, Chaplin ate licorish shoes, so that must be a good idea
16:40 chris_n lol
16:41 larsw (in "The Gold Rush")
16:41 chris_n chris: so does "pushed" mean the patch has been qa'd and is now in HEAD?
16:41 chris_n if so, perhaps a "awaiting QA" option might be good?
16:42 chris yep i might add two more
16:42 chris awaiting_qa, and REJECTED!!
16:43 chris but nicer :)
16:43 jcamins With exclamation marks!! :D
16:43 chris patch not accepted maybe
16:43 wizzyrea_ You suck try again?
16:43 wizzyrea_ lol sorry
16:43 * wizzyrea_ goes away
16:43 druthb "Your_Patch_Is_Made_of_FAIL"
16:43 jcamins "Nice try, next time try thinking it through first"?
16:44 gmcharlt Koha in three words - "Tough Love!, Contributor"
16:46 chris heh
16:46 chris for our sins, we very rarely reject a patch outright
16:47 chris gonna be more of that for this release, but ill try to be nice
16:49 larsw "Please accept our heartfelt apologies to you, and to the greater Koha community, for coming up with an excuse for rejecting your patch. We have found it necessary to include it in the next version of Koha. We will do our utmost to not let this happen again."
16:50 * druthb stumbles in the parsing of that.
16:50 * jcamins too
16:51 larsw s/for coming/for not coming/
16:51 chris heh
16:51 gmcharlt much better
16:51 druthb oh.
16:51 * larsw goes away and hides in shame
16:51 jcamins Ah.
16:51 * wizzyrea_ pats larsw
16:51 druthb Aw!
16:51 wizzyrea_ it's ok
16:52 druthb That's not the worst typo I've seen around here lately.
16:52 larsw actually, I'm going back to hunting down the bug that makes unwanted roots not go away in my backup app :)
16:52 * druthb made a worse one that that t'other day.
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17:29 * chris will bbl, gotta make lunches for the kids
17:33 kf still need someone to signoff on bug 5423 - it's a evil data loss bug, but easy to test!
17:33 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5423 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED, Deleted Patrons are no longer saved in table deletedborrowers
17:33 * kf advertises her bug ;)
17:33 kf ok, time to leave - bbl!
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17:49 wizzyrea_ did magnus put that page of "places to get free marc records" on the wiki?
17:49 jcamins I think so.
17:49 wizzyrea_ I can't seem to find it >.<
17:50 wizzyrea_ oh oh I found it
17:50 wizzyrea_[…]_sample_MARC_data
17:51 jcamins Yay!
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18:14 druthb @karma jcamins
18:14 munin druthb: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 35 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 34.
18:14 druthb :-O
18:14 druthb @karma wizzyrea
18:14 munin druthb: Karma for "wizzyrea" has been increased 119 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 119.
18:14 wizzyrea_ *blush*
18:14 druthb ain't'a gonna catch wizzy, no way.
18:14 wizzyrea_ just try catching chris
18:14 wizzyrea_ @karma chris
18:14 munin wizzyrea_: Karma for "chris" has been increased 222 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 220.
18:15 wizzyrea_ who would decrease chris's karma
18:15 wizzyrea_ lol
18:15 druthb I'm wondering that about jcamins, too.
18:15 * jcamins probably lost karma for talking about scary cataloging problems.
18:16 druthb scary_cataloging_problems--
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18:19 brendan_l I think I'm a nice even 20
18:19 brendan_l @karma brendan
18:19 munin brendan_l: Karma for "brendan" has been increased 20 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 20.
18:19 brendan_l :)
18:21 sekjal brendan++
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18:23 druthb not any more, you're not.
18:23 druthb @karma sekjal
18:23 munin druthb: Karma for "sekjal" has been increased 42 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 41.
18:23 brendan_l sekjal++
18:24 druthb @karma druthb
18:24 brendan_l @karma sekjal
18:24 munin druthb: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 42 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 42.
18:24 munin brendan_l: Karma for "sekjal" has been increased 43 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 42.
18:24 druthb ooooo...
18:24 * druthb slugs it out with sekjal for her place in the rankings.
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18:28 cait hi #koha
18:28 cait :)
18:28 druthb hi, cait! :)
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18:29 cait hi ruth :)
18:29 wizzyrea_ ah good cait's back. I was missing her brain.
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18:29 wizzyrea_ and the rest of her of course
18:30 cait what brain?
18:30 druthb hi, schuster! :)
18:30 wizzyrea_ ba dum bum
18:30 wizzyrea_ you're like one of the cleverer people i kno :P
18:30 wizzyrea_ know even.
18:30 wizzyrea_ not even like, you *are* one of the cleverer people I know
18:31 * cait gets scared
18:31 wizzyrea_ hrmph.
18:31 wizzyrea_ modest too. ;)
18:31 * jcamins agrees with wizzyrea
18:31 jcamins wizzyrea++ # for being right
18:31 jcamins cait++ # for being very clever
18:31 wizzyrea_ ^^
18:31 wizzyrea_ cait++
18:31 wizzyrea_ @karma cait
18:31 munin wizzyrea_: Karma for "cait" has been increased 48 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 48.
18:32 wizzyrea_ @karma kf
18:32 munin wizzyrea_: Karma for "kf" has been increased 35 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 35.
18:32 wizzyrea_ aha!!
18:32 * cait looks around carefully and wonders what happened to her #koha friends
18:32 cait alien invasion?
18:32 wizzyrea_ lol
18:32 wizzyrea_ analytic records!
18:32 wizzyrea_ does that make you feel better?
18:32 wizzyrea_ or worse, depending
18:33 * wizzyrea_ shuts up
18:33 cait worse
18:33 cait have still not written my rfc :(
18:33 cait and not tested the branch
18:33 * druthb waves at gmcharlt, and asks if he still has the moxie to fix munin so cait's karma is all in one place or the other?
18:34 cait hm, would not be fair, some people add to both
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18:34 cait wizzyrea: want some chocolate fudge?
18:35 wizzyrea_ !! yea!
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18:35 wizzyrea_ ibot, cait?
18:35 ibot cait is, like, a developer! or a librarian
18:35 cait good, I have to get rid of it before I eat it all
18:35 * cait hands wizzyrea a big portion
18:35 * wizzyrea_ shares it with spud
18:35 druthb ibot, cait?
18:35 ibot cait is probably really sweet.
18:36 cait ibot: that's only the fudge ;)
18:36 ibot cait: sorry...
18:37 jcamins ibot: that?
18:37 ibot that is a risk you have to take... ;-)
18:37 wizzyrea_ ibot is
18:37 druthb ibot?
18:37 ibot yes, druthb?
18:37 druthb lol
18:37 cait ibot: ibot?
18:37 ibot i am still small - he needs to learn more :)
18:38 cait ibot botsnack chocolate fudge
18:38 ibot :)
18:38 schuster hey all just reading back..
18:39 druthb we gotta quit gossiping about schuster when he's not here, y'all.    ;-)
18:39 cait sekjal++ for fixing all languages :)
18:40 * sekjal pulls just slightly ahead of druthb
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18:42 wizzyrea_ ibot: schuster?
18:42 ibot schuster is a fan of hawaiian shirts
18:46 cait !hudson botsnack chocolate fudge
18:46 hudsonbot cait: thanks a lot! om nom nom. I could eat chocolate fudge all day long
18:46 cait[…]hos-driving-thing
18:47 schuster Hey how did ibot know that... only at conferences though... Makes me stand out and findable for the after conference meetings.
18:47 schuster gossip all you want then I can find out what I'm supposed to be doing...
18:47 wizzyrea_ hehe
18:48 chris oracle--
18:48 chris Dickwads
18:48 wizzyrea_ oh that is made of fail
18:49 schuster agrees with chris...
18:50 chris All that will happen, hudson changes its name and continues and more ppl hate oracle
18:51 jcamins chris: I think that would be a little difficult.
18:51 jcamins I mean, Oracle seems to have being hated down to a science.
18:51 chris For more ppl to hate them?
18:51 jcamins Right.
18:51 chris Yeah
18:52 chris If anything its going to make the project stronger
18:52 chris See mambo vs joomla
18:52 chris Its pretty clear who won that
18:53 chris And it wasn't the ones trying to enforce the 'name'
18:53 * jcamins had never heard of Mambo
18:53 chris Exactly!
18:57 chris This rain better stop
18:57 chris Xmas party at the zoo today
18:57 chris For work
18:58 chris @wunder wellington nz
18:58 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on December 01, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Rising).
18:59 druthb @wunder 20817
18:59 munin druthb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 15.0�C (1:59 PM EST on November 30, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019.5 hPa (Falling). Flash Flood Watch in effect from late tonight through Wednesday afternoon...
18:59 chris I think the rain will burn off
19:00 chris Got 8 hours to do so
19:01 druthb It's been drizzly and wet all day here, and is expected to be all night, too.  :/
19:02 chris 300 ppl inside won't be fun
19:02 chris So I hope it stops tonight
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19:04 chris bbiab
19:04 * owen remembers Mambo.
19:04 * owen even remembers PHPNuke.
19:06 * jwagner remembers DOS programming, and Windows version 1
19:09 * jwagner also remembers the original MAC and the original IBM-PC boxes
19:10 * jwagner is getting old :-(
19:11 * druthb learned BASIC programming on the Atari 2600, then the Vic-20.  Thought that was just *awesome*.
19:15 wizzyrea_ wow look at all that consensus behind "fork and rename"
19:16 * druthb heads out to catch a bus.
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19:20 owen wizzyrea_: Re: Hudson?
19:20 wizzyrea_ yea
19:21 owen Nobody want to be under the thumb of a controlling entity who doesn't really believe in the ideals of the community
19:21 wizzyrea_ ^^
19:22 owen Regarding the latest email to the Koha list, "Koha hidden subfields showing in opac..."
19:23 owen Those OPAC/!OPAC settings don't actually do anything do they?
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19:26 cait owen: they do, but only for the marc view
19:26 cait and perhaps labelled marc
19:29 chris back
19:29 cait wb chris
19:29 chris yeah, xslt ignores them, so does the plain view, and we should fix that
19:30 owen Does any view obey them?
19:31 owen Oh, I guess the MARC view does
19:31 owen I thought I'd tested it and it didn't.
19:31 jwagner So far as I know, those are only obeyed in edit mode.
19:31 * cait feels ignored ;)
19:31 chris hehe yeah cait is usually right, i just listen to her
19:31 chris marc view, and editor
19:32 owen cait: I was just being stubborn and not believing you :)
19:32 cait perhaps really an alien invasion...
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19:35 cait chris: any news about template toolkit? :)
19:36 cait only checking, trying to find out what I want to do now
19:36 chris nope, i just got in to my desk
19:36 chris ill get chris to look at the issues you found today though and then get you to retest when i think its fixed
19:37 chris i might send some patches through too
19:37 chris the ones that fix the variable names
19:37 chris they are harmless and needed before we can switch
19:37 chris_n funny how the hudson issue sounds like a strangely familiar tune
19:38 chris oh snap!
19:38 chris cait: im fairly sure its some setting we are doing for the utf8 i just have to figure out what
19:39 chris cait: and the variable names problem is we have things liek something-something
19:39 cait chris: ok :)
19:39 chris in our templates
19:39 chris that doesnt work in TT
19:39 cait ah, what's the right thing for tt? _?
19:40 chris yes
19:40 chris valid perl variable names
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19:40 cait ok
19:40 cait not too hard then
19:41 chris nope
19:41 chris and chrish has done them all pretty much already
19:41 cait I think I will go and work on the states / borrowers table bug 3777
19:41 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3777 trivial, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Field Sizes Inconsistent
19:41 chris yay!
19:42 cait got some comments about it
19:46 cait lol
19:47 cait everybody is so enthusiastic today :)
19:52 jcamins November 30 is a good day. :)
19:52 chris december 1 for me
19:52 rhcl today we had our 1st snow day of the year. Does that make Nov 30 good or bad, I wonder.
19:52 cait oh, christmas money
19:52 owen chris: Anything you wished you could have gotten done in November? We could pitch in.
19:53 wizzyrea_ we still have time!
19:53 chris heh
19:53 jcamins cait: Christmas money?
19:53 cait christmas bonus?
19:53 chris someone could go through bugzilla
19:53 jcamins Oh, no, I'm just having a good day. :)
19:53 chris find anything that says patch pushed, but isnt closed
19:53 chris and set the patch status
19:53 chris but its mind numbingly boring
19:53 cait jcamins: money you get end of november from your employer
19:53 chris so you might have to listen to this
19:53 chris[…]/Chillax/40200536
19:53 jcamins Yeah, holiday bonus.
19:54 * jcamins technically isn't an employee, so probably won't be getting any bonus
19:55 chris holy crap
19:55 * jcamins is still in a staggeringly good mood
19:55 jcamins :)
19:55 chris Nearly 600 people have said they are coming to the ZooDoo this evening.
19:55 cait ZooDoo?
19:55 wizzyrea_ now THAT is a christmas party
19:55 jcamins chris: well, it's at the zoo.
19:57 chris yup, we have the whole zoo to us
19:57 jwagner is now known as jwag_mtg
19:57 cait what wizzyrea said
19:58 jcamins chris: in light of that, 600 people doesn't seem that surprising.
19:58 jcamins Zoo!
19:58 wizzyrea_ it's a cool zoo, too
19:58 cait ZOO!
19:59 wizzyrea_ you can get within inches of the giraffes
19:59 wizzyrea_ so close they could eat your hair
19:59 jcamins wizzyrea_: and you managed to drag your son away? Well done!
19:59 wizzyrea_ it was tough
20:03 * cait really has to go back to wellington one day -
20:04 cait missed the giraffes
20:04 chris the red pandas are the coolest
20:05 cait aw cute
20:05 wizzyrea_ they had the pandas put away the day we were there :(
20:05 cait
20:05 wizzyrea_ or we missed them, or something, because I didn't see any
20:05 chris[…]ounter.aspx?id=20
20:06 chris you can feed them!
20:07 cait chris: you make it really hard!
20:07 chris hehe
20:07 cait about bug 3777
20:07 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3777 trivial, P5, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW, Field Sizes Inconsistent
20:08 cait any opinion what fields should have default null?
20:09 chris everything that doesnt have a key on it
20:09 chris the only thing that cant ever be null is the borrowernumber
20:09 cait ok, that's an easy rule
20:10 cait there are more fields specified as not null
20:10 cait surname
20:10 chris yeah i dont think thats valid
20:10 cait address
20:10 cait but I am  not sure it makes sense
20:10 chris we shouldnt enforce those constraints at db level
20:10 chris because you can choose the mandatory fields at application level
20:10 chris if a library wants to make address not mandatory, we should let them
20:11 cait ok
20:11 cait I will push my changes to a branch later so people can take a look
20:11 chris good idea
20:12 * cait is still so happy that she learned how to do that
20:14 cait chris: when does the ZooDoo start?
20:14 chris 5 i think
20:14 chris i cant remember
20:15 chris yes, the bus from work leaves at 4.30
20:15 cait :)
20:15 cait our xmas party will be at work this year, we will all bring food and have a quiz
20:15 cait no zoo
20:16 cait but still fun, helping with organisation this year :)
20:23 cait jcamins?
20:23 ibot jcamins is supposed to be an outstanding cook.
20:23 chris cait:[…]cut-fares-by-half
20:23 wizzyrea_ O.O
20:23 chris return to europe for $1000nzd
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20:26 cait yeah, but you have to bring your own food ;)
20:27 wizzyrea_ better than airplane food anyway
20:44 jcamins wizzyrea_: requires quite a lot of food, though.
20:45 chris .ws 12
20:45 chris hmm
20:45 magnus_a is now known as magnus
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20:50 cait hi magnus
20:50 magnus guten abend cait & #koha
20:57 cait @wunder Konstanz
20:57 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -2.9�C (9:55 PM CET on November 30, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1003.9 hPa (Falling).
20:57 magnus @wunder bodo, norway
20:57 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0�C (9:50 PM CET on November 30, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Rising).
20:57 magnus got about 20 cm snow today, but then it started raining...
20:58 rhcl we got about .02 cm of snow today
20:58 rhcl but the first snow of the year
21:00 cait we have some snow but the roads and most paths are free
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21:07 cait wb druthb
21:07 druthb thanks, cait.  :)
21:07 chris heya druthb
21:07 druthb hi, chris! :)
21:09 brendan_l hi all
21:09 chris hi brendan_l
21:09 * brendan_l loves to grin :)
21:10 brendan_l er... smile I guess
21:10 druthb hi, brendan_l.  :)
21:11 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5450 Avoid a name clash in ILSDI modules <[…]edfdb9e70963fdee6> / Fix for Bug 5402, "add to cart" shown on checkbox hover <[…]38eb70c54b0798f31>
21:11 owen did I miss a discussion of template toolkit variable names? What are the limitations?
21:12 chris they need to be valid perl variable names
21:12 chris[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5462
21:12 munin Bug 5462: enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Fix variable names so we dont break template::toolkit
21:12 chris im about to create and push new/awaiting_qa/bug_5462
21:12 chris which has all the fixes for variable names in it
21:13 chris so something-something becomes something_something
21:13 chris etc
21:13 chris something-something will cause template::toolkit to try and perform a subtraction :)
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21:13 * owen is surprised that "something-something" worked in HTML::Template
21:13 * magnus wishes all the wonderfully productive koha-people a good night or other time of the day of their own choice
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21:14 chris owen: yeah, we were lucky, not good
21:14 chris also we had . in some variable names
21:14 cait uh
21:14 chris yeah :)
21:16 hudsonbot Starting build 180 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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21:29 munin New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 5450 Avoid a name clash in ILSDI modules <[…]fc3c90471380bd0f3> / Fix for Bug 5402, "add to cart" shown on checkbox hover <[…]6340f6c02a8bc9378>
21:31 chris[…]iting_qa/bug_5462
21:31 hudsonbot Starting build 50 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:32 cait :)
21:32 cait getting sleepy - good night all :)
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21:40 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #180: SUCCESS in 23 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/180/
21:40 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5402, "add to cart" shown on checkbox hover
21:40 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 5450 Avoid a name clash in ILSDI modules
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21:54 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #50: SUCCESS in 22 min: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/50/
21:54 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5402, "add to cart" shown on checkbox hover
21:54 hudsonbot * Colin Campbell: Bug 5450 Avoid a name clash in ILSDI modules
21:54 chris_n @wunder 28334
21:54 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 21.0�C (4:40 PM EST on November 30, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
21:55 chris does it ever cool down there?
21:55 chris @wunder macon georgia
21:55 munin chris: The current temperature in Pierce Ave, Macon, Georgia is 24.6�C (4:30 PM EST on November 30, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Falling). Tornado Watch 759 in effect until 10 PM EST this evening...
21:55 schuster @wunder 75035
21:55 munin schuster: The current temperature in Preston Lakes, Frisco, Texas is 9.1�C (3:55 PM CST on November 30, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 25%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.29 in 1025.6 hPa (Steady).
21:56 chris melia from catalyst is in macon at the mo, home to see the family for xmas
21:56 chris hope she doesnt get tornadoed away
21:56 schuster Might take her to Kansas...:)
21:56 chris heh
21:56 chris well least she knows someone there, she met wizzyrea at kohacon
21:57 schuster Yep my thoughts too...  Nice people in Kansas - almost as nice as people in Minnesota and Texas(places I have lived...)
21:59 chris heh, the koha-consort rollcall is funny
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22:01 joetho on?
22:01 schuster the Koha consortium list...  I was curious who all was there...
22:01 chris yeah
22:02 schuster Yes it is kinda funny and people who aren't consortium folks even.
22:02 chris its a very very quiet list
22:02 schuster Marla from INCOLSA emailed me directly how to see who all is on the list - 67 people or so...
22:02 chris ahh no wonder its quiet
22:03 chris 1605 on the main koha list
22:03 chris dunno about the other ones
22:03 chris incolsa are all eg now arent they?
22:04 chris ahh i foudn the koha-consort list too
22:04 chris joetho: you are there ;)
22:07 robin koha-consort is a pretty amusing name, if you change the stresses.
22:08 * jcamins took a while to figure out what was being discussed.
22:11 chris heh
22:12 chris_n interesting: "...SOLR is very fast as long at it is given enough memory..." (from robin's link)
22:12 chris well yeah it is 'enterprise' :-)
22:12 chris which always mean, get ready to buy some new hardware to run it
22:12 robin yeah, I'm not surprised. Java is pretty fast once it's spun up.
22:12 chris :)
22:13 * chris_n would rather drink java than code in it ;-)
22:13 robin in other news, I think we should port Koha to Perl 6
22:13 robin I went to a talk on it the other day. Made of awesome.
22:14 chris yeah perl 6 is sweet
22:14 chris im gonna rewrite my kohabot in it
22:14 chris since it only talks to koha via the ils-di api, its an easy target
22:14 robin good plan
22:15 robin <-- rangi
22:15 robin <-- also, my talk about SaaS and Koha. Don't watch it.
22:16 chris jcamins: was it you asking who was conway?
22:16 chris that first talk is him :)
22:16 chris he is a bloody great speaker
22:17 robin At LCA '06, he did a whole-day seminar on public presenting.
22:17 robin Which I attended.
22:17 robin ANd have since forgotten most of
22:17 robin But I think I have the recordings on an MP3 player somewhere :)
22:17 chris :)
22:18 * chris_n wonders why the MS publisher installer spins up immediately after the scribus installer winds down....
22:19 chris_n maybe scribus now auto-de-installs MS publisher... hehe
22:19 schuster by all...
22:19 * cfouts loves Scribus
22:20 chris cya schuster
22:20 schuster left #koha
22:20 * chris_n wishes scribus would slurp up ms pub docs
22:20 chris_n that would be the icing on the cake
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