IRC log for #koha, 2010-11-19

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00:25 chris thd is catching up on mail obviously
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01:00 jcamins_a chris: so it would seem.
01:06 chris jcamins_a: does work for you?
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01:09 jcamins Yeah, looks like 3.2.x and master both built successfully, but all builds of 3.0.x are failing.
01:10 chris cool
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04:06 brendan_l !hudson status
04:06 hudsonbot status of all projects:
04:06 hudsonbot Koha_3.0.x: last build: 2 (19 days ago): FAILURE: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]job/Koha_3.0.x/2/
04:06 hudsonbot Koha_3.2.x: last build: 45 (6 hr 50 min ago): SUCCESS: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/45/
04:06 hudsonbot Koha_Master: last build: 172 (7 hr 6 min ago): SUCCESS: http://hudson.koha-community.o[…]/Koha_Master/172/
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04:26 * Brooke waves at Amit
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04:26 Amit heya Brooke
04:26 Amit heya chris, brendan
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04:40 Brooke cait's on. It's shift change time ;)
04:40 * Brooke hands Cait the keys.
04:41 Brooke make sure you watch that Chris guy. He's a troublemaker.
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04:42 cait that's what happens if you wake up too early...
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05:11 * cait is rattling with the kes
05:11 cait keys
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06:12 * cait hands the keys over to wizzyrea
06:12 cait have to go
06:12 cait breakfast ;)
06:24 brendan_l heya amit
06:25 Amit heya brendab_l
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06:30 kmkale hi all
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08:27 brendan_l night
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08:48 ivanc hi #koha
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09:14 chris kmkale: a venue and speakers are the only important things
09:14 chris everything else is optional
09:15 * chris just edited the wiki page
09:15 chris i do feel we are making it way more complicated than it needs to be
09:15 chris[…]onference_Bidding
09:16 chris i stand by my comment there :)
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10:44 kmkale chris: I wrote there because VPM would be very interesting in hosting Kohacon in India.
10:44 kmkale and we have wonderful facilities here
10:48 kmkale however I fully agree with you. Its the people that make the conference not facilities :)
10:55 kmkale s/interesting/interested/
11:17 sophie_m hdl : tu pourras regarder MT4483 en rentrant ? Merci
11:17 sophie_m oups, not the right window, sorry
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12:23 druthb g'morning, #koha
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12:23 ZarkoKuva Hi everyone
12:23 * druthb waves at jwagner
12:24 * jwagner gives a feeble flap of the hand in return
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12:24 * gmcharlt hands jwagner some caffeine
12:24 * druthb is way too cheerful and chirpy for her own good this morning.
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12:31 * jwagner agrees that druthb is way too cheerful, but I am not a morning person....
12:31 * jwagner also thanks gmcharlt for the caffeine, and goes to the kitche to retrieve it.
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12:35 kmkale what is the proper marc tag for keywords defined in a single field like "Science of Psychology, Principles of Learning, Human Learning, Motivation, Perception, Personality, Psychological Testing"
12:35 kmkale 653$a?
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12:41 druthb kmkale:  if it's not under authority control, then that's probably where I'd put it.
12:42 slef @marc 653 a
12:42 munin slef: Uncontrolled term  (Repeatable)
12:42 slef yes, I've used that, splitting on commas IIRC
12:43 druthb you might chop it into multiple 653 entries, depending on what indicators you'd need.  But a comma-separated list would work, for search purposes.
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13:08 hilongo anybody can help me with some problem updating my Koha from 3.0.6 to 3.2.7
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13:41 jwagner You know, there's just something ...WRONG... about orange-flavored Tootsie Rolls.
13:41 tcohen hilongo: que problema estas teniendo?
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13:48 hilongo just 'something'...  :)
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13:49 * druthb must concur with jwagner on this...lime-flavored Tootsie Rolls taste fine, but.....
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14:39 jcamins Good morning, #koha
14:40 druthb hi, jcamins!  :D
14:40 * jcamins has a bibliomystery to start the day with
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14:42 seneca good morning everyone (if you're from where I am...)
14:43 seneca Does anyone here know anything about the label creation process in 3.2?
14:43 jcamins He is currently cataloging a newish book that should already have been cataloged, but doesn't seem to have a record. That on its own is not particularly strange, but there is a record for one of the articles in the book. Very strange.
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14:49 hilongo Hola tcohen  :)
14:53 seneca Has anyone tried creating labels with 3.2 yet?
14:53 hilongo not me ... but we would try that next week
14:53 seneca hrmmm
14:53 jcamins seneca: we don't use labels, sorry.
14:54 seneca I'm getting a weird space issue and I don't know where to look to start investigating
14:54 seneca the label and layout worked great in 3.1, but in 3.2 it prints with too much space between the text and barcode...
14:57 wizzyrea I've seen weird space issues, we had good luck re-creating our templates
14:57 jcamins Cool! I had to do was *think* "wizzyrea might know something about this," and here she is. :)
14:57 wizzyrea :)
15:00 * druthb waves to wizzyrea.
15:00 wizzyrea and good morning everybody :)
15:06 jcamins Good morning wizzyrea!
15:06 sekjal good morning all, and happy Friday (for all those for whom such is applicable)!
15:07 * wizzyrea cheers for Friday
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15:13 bigbrovar hi guys I am finding it impossible to get refined search by libraries to work when I try to refine a search by library I get this error   “kw,wrdl: book branch:Sid Ahmed Baba Library” even though books mapped to that library shows up in search. I had this issue in 3.0.6 and 3.2
15:21 slef bigbrovar: that looks like a search term, not an error.
15:22 slef hilongo: 3.2.7 is not out yet. We're on 3.2.0
15:24 bigbrovar slef: you are right, but books attach to the library show up in the search. and when I click refine search by LIbrary "A" No results match your search for “kw,wrdl: book branch:Sid Ahmed Baba Library”  even though books held and owned by the particular library shows up in the initial search
15:28 sekjal anyone have success with the Branch Transfer Limits in Koha admin?
15:28 sekjal I'm trying to uncheck a bunch of values, but as soon as I come back to the page, they're checked again
15:31 hdl sekjal: work has been done on that in 3.4/Biblibre-admin
15:32 sekjal hdl: great, I'll take a look
15:36 jcamins bigbrovar: I ran into this error.
15:36 jcamins Try putting AND between the two terms.
15:37 jcamins Oh, wait, never mind. You're encountering a different problem.
15:40 bigbrovar exactly I was about to clearify that
15:41 bigbrovar It just that I am unable to refine search by libraries.
15:41 bigbrovar it always returns no result when I try
15:43 jcamins Ah.
15:43 jcamins Bug 4852?
15:43 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4852 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, Facets doesn't work with direct CCL queries
15:49 bigbrovar jcamins: here is a screenshot example of what I am saying. I search for a term[…]_bfc3a176a7_m.jpg  it shows me the libraries where with books related to that term. when I click for it to refine the search by one of the libraries. I get this[…]ovar2/5189937016/
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15:54 jcamins That's very odd.
15:55 jcamins Try this search: ccl=kw,wrdl:book AND branch:SABL
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16:01 jcamins Hm.
16:02 jcamins Does anyone know the status of bug 4852? Was it committed?
16:02 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4852 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED, Facets doesn't work with direct CCL queries
16:02 jcamins The patch for bug 4852, that is.
16:04 jcamins That's weird.
16:05 jcamins Oh, never mind. I see.
16:07 jcamins Why is ccl/cql/pqf supposed to be "DIAGNOSTIC ONLY!!"?
16:16 bigbrovar jcamins: tried that same result.
16:16 bigbrovar I have got to head out now thanks for the help would have to look into it later
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16:33 jcamins Looks like slef is running his script again. :)
16:36 slef jcamins: yes, just finished 2010-October.
16:36 slef I think patches is the wrong place for discussion.
16:37 slef But if people will discuss things there, let's link the bug to it.
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17:01 cait hi #koha
17:02 jcamins Hi cait
17:02 cait hi jcamins
17:02 cait weekend! :)
17:02 jcamins Lucky you!
17:03 jcamins Actually, this weekend I don't have any jobs out of the house. So of course this is the weekend that my wife is in DC on a research trip. :(
17:10 cait oh
17:10 cait hm... you could bake more cookies?
17:11 jwagner And ship them to all of us???
17:12 cait perfect weekend program
17:12 cait ;)
17:13 jcamins jwagner: sorry, Shari already left for DC yesterday. :P
17:17 jwagner :-(
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17:19 cait the battery of this laptop is a joke :(
17:19 cait less than 30 minutes from 100%
17:21 chris_n hdl, gmcharlt: can we mark bug 4141 fixed and close it?
17:21 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4141 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, reconcile 3.0.x and HEAD database updates for 3.2.0
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17:26 hdl well... Would be better if We had a clean upgrade path between 3.0.x and 3.2
17:27 hdl maybe gmcharlt can comment on that.
17:29 gmcharlt chris_n: it should stay open, I'm sure there may be some discrepency left to resolve
17:30 chris_n k, a status update might still be in order
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17:41 schuster Anyone know if authority records are searched in a keyword or only biblio?
17:42 schuster I'm sure someone knows actually - I just don't.
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17:44 sekjal schuster: only biblios are searched in a keyword search
17:45 sekjal separate zebra databases
17:47 schuster I'm really glad we have an "authority file" that was one of my key reasons for selecting Koha...  Now if we can work to easily update/add to it...  Back end stuff though isn't as flashy as rating systems for the public.
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17:54 schuster So if I edit an authority record does it actually update the associated bib records?
17:54 chris_n hdl, gmcharlt: any objections to my backing 4141 down to critical as it is not really blocking any release
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18:00 wizzyrea schuster: are you trying to say that we only do flashy things for the public?
18:00 wizzyrea because I don't think that's true at all.
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18:02 wizzyrea in fact, imo we've been neglecting some of the flashier things to make the staff side better lately.
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18:26 chsanch Hi
18:28 chsanch we have a problem with our koha, we have koha installed on Debian Lenny, when we try to save a marc record from a z395.50 server we get this error: Wide character in null operation at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/Charset/ line 96.
18:28 chsanch this record is in Catalán
18:29 chsanch Consell Català de l'Esport
18:29 chris chsanch: do you have the z3950 server set to marc8 or utf8?
18:29 chsanch chris: marc8
18:29 chris whatever it is, try changing it to the other, then try that record again
18:30 chris sometimes that works
18:31 chsanch let me see
18:33 chsanch hmm, it seems to work, but, we have not encoded characters: Valeri M�aximo
18:34 chris right, so i think there is a mismatch
18:35 chris the server is sending utf8, the record is marc8 (or vice versa)
18:35 seneca Hey all - anyone in here familiar with 3.2's label creation process?
18:35 chris seneca: chris_n is probably the guru on that
18:36 chsanch chris: Ok, any recommendation?
18:36 * chris_n hears his name in the same sentence as guru and quickly hides :-)
18:37 chris chsanch: if my theory is right, you might want to ask the library you are getting the records from what there z3950 server is set up to send
18:38 chsanch chris: Ok, thanks, we'll try that
18:38 chris_n heya chris
18:39 chris_n sorry to hear about the coal mine accident there
18:39 chris yeah, still 27 missing :(
18:39 chris[…]s-could-take-days
18:40 gmcharlt chris_n: none
18:40 schuster wizzyrea - sorry I should have mentioned that my opinion was based on my current administration view.
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19:57 Brooke don't all talk at once.
20:04 * druthb waves and points, and babbles incoherently.  It appears she has used up her quota of words for the week.
20:04 * jwagner is too busy napping after a very large and tasty holiday lunch
20:07 * jcamins gurgles wordlessly. It seems he is conserving the remainder of his quota of words for the week until dinner tonight, when he will be preparing for the budget meeting in two weeks.
20:07 Brooke eeeewww budget meeting
20:08 Brooke my condolences.
20:08 Brooke mah budget meeting used to be at 7 am ish in Hinsdale.
20:08 Brooke it took the selectmen 3 years to figger out I didn't live in town
20:08 Brooke and that it was slightly more merciful to have me speak at 10.
20:09 jcamins Not only is it a budget meeting, it's a budget meeting for a non-profit association.
20:09 Brooke yee haw.
20:09 * druthb waves.
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20:09 jcamins And I'm the unpopular one who gets to say "no, we can't just reduce our expenditures on membership to balance the budget."
20:10 jcamins And "yes, it will cost money to have our data migrated, unless someone else in this room is going to volunteer? No? Well, there you are then."
20:11 schuster It's open source it's free right!
20:12 schuster :)
20:12 jcamins schuster: oh god, you think someone will propose an open source alternative? Just shoot me now.
20:12 jcamins We're looking at membership databases.
20:13 jcamins I strongly support open source, but some technical expertise is required if you want to maintain your own.
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20:14 Brooke oh joy, the issuing table is even more complex than the last time I checked XD
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20:15 * Brooke waves at wizzyrea
20:18 schuster sorry jcamins I thought you were talking about a library system migration!
20:19 jcamins schuster: nope, membership database.
20:19 jcamins schuster: you had me scared there.
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20:28 * Brooke salutes Nengard with respect.
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20:31 nengard Hiya from my phone
20:32 Brooke I fit in your phone?!
20:33 * chris_n suddenly feels awful cramped
20:34 wizzyrea ow, that was my rib!
20:35 gmcharlt and this is exactly why open source ILS projects have not been quick to embrace the mobile OPAC -- too cramped to contain the community
20:36 Brooke heheh
20:36 Brooke that Conference barcode read app was hawt.
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20:50 wizzyrea aha, a philosophy I can get behind:[…]on-the-good-stuff
20:52 jcamins wizzyrea: a good philosophy.
20:53 jcamins Some philosophies, are simple.
20:54 Brooke te nosce.
20:54 jcamins Some philosophies, are clear.
20:54 Brooke pfft, we talkin' about the same philosophy, boy? ;
20:55 jcamins Some take a lifetime.
20:55 jcamins ... and Brooke is not a musical theatre fan. :)
20:55 Brooke don't know that one.
20:55 Brooke there are some productions where I could if pressed sing the playbook.
20:55 jcamins You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown. :)
20:56 Brooke pfft
20:56 Brooke doesn't count.
20:56 Brooke *duck*
20:56 * jcamins only knows the show because several of his friends were in a community theatre version.
20:57 Brooke <--- prop mistress and back stage ratbag for many productions
20:58 nengard Sorry got distracted .. you're all silly btw :)
20:58 * Brooke takes it as a compliment.
20:58 jcamins ... and that's my new philosophy!
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21:12 * chris_n heads out to steal honey from the bees
21:12 wizzyrea oooo
21:13 wizzyrea yum
21:13 Brooke mmmm mead.
21:20 Brooke right well, all documentation and no fun makes me even duller than I already am
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21:46 jcamins Have a good weekend, #koha
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22:11 cait hi #koha
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22:45 mib_f67cq hello
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22:49 wizzyrea friday, bad day to try to get tech support
22:53 cait hi liz :)
22:55 wizzyrea hi cait :D
22:55 cait weeekend!
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23:25 brendan @wunder 93117
23:25 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 13.9�C (3:23 PM PST on November 19, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect from midnight tonight to 9 am PST Saturday...
23:25 brendan wow cold out
23:29 cait t
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