IRC log for #koha, 2010-11-18

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00:03 MarlboroL Hello...I am having a problem with my Koha software right now, is there anybody who is knowledgeable?
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00:06 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5204 Followup <[…]58ab20cf7a735575e> / bug 5204: Unimarc XSLT, from French to English. <[…]fc154f05137eea2d3>
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00:15 hudsonbot Starting build 168 for job Koha_Master (previous build: SUCCESS)
00:26 chris owen++ #for giving me the opening ;)
00:36 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #168: SUCCESS in 21 min:[…]/Koha_Master/168/
00:36 hudsonbot * Zeno0 Tajoli: bug 5204: Unimarc XSLT, from French to English.
00:36 hudsonbot * Frédéric Demians: Bug 5204 Followup
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01:40 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4440 Follow-up for English typography and alignment <[…]cbcc6690e5cda7af0> / Bug 4440 Layout tweaking follow-up patch <[…]853c67c3412b9044f> / Bug 4440: Revised combined patch to print fee receipts and invoices <
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02:09 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #169: UNSTABLE in 24 min:[…]/Koha_Master/169/
02:09 hudsonbot * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 5412 double quotes break coins and thus search results in some scenarios
02:09 hudsonbot * Koustubha Kale: Bug 4440: Revised combined patch to print fee receipts and invoices
02:09 hudsonbot * Koustubha Kale: Bug 4440 Layout tweaking follow-up patch
02:09 hudsonbot * Frédéric Demians: Bug 4440 Follow-up for English typography and alignment
02:12 chris !hudson build koha_master now
02:12 hudsonbot chris: job koha_master build scheduled now
02:12 hudsonbot Starting build 170 for job Koha_Master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #168 1 hr 56 min ago)
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02:26 munin New commit(s) kohagit32: Bug 5412 double quotes break coins and thus search results in some scenarios <[…]cd0c46d015d4ec26b> / Bug 5204 Followup <[…]0defc5df105c132fa> / bug 5204: Unimarc XSLT, from French to English. <[…]t;a=commitdiff;h=
02:30 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4440: Fixing template syntax errors <[…]dc87fd449d43513d9>
02:30 hudsonbot Starting build 44 for job Koha_3.2.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
02:31 chris !hudson build koha_master now
02:31 hudsonbot chris: job koha_master build scheduled now
02:35 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #170: STILL UNSTABLE in 23 min:[…]/Koha_Master/170/
02:36 hudsonbot Starting build 171 for job Koha_Master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #168 2 hr 21 min ago)
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02:48 bigbrovar Hi guys, Install koha 3.2 on Ubuntu Lucid. I am compiling from source following the lucid install readme, after everything I ran make and all was well, however make test brought up some errors
02:49 bigbrovar I really can't get where I did wrong
02:51 wizzyrea_ you ran perl Makefile.PL before make?
02:51 chris you are missing a module Business::ISBN
02:51 * wizzyrea_ hasn't seen that particular bit of crazy before
02:51 chris Can't locate Business/
02:52 bigbrovar yeah I did run Makefile.PL before make
02:52 wizzyrea_ it's not weird that it's got  KOHA_CONF=blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml
02:52 chris apt-get install libbusiness-isbn-perl
02:52 wizzyrea_ ?
02:52 chris nope thats fine wizzyrea_
02:52 * wizzyrea_ may not have been watching closely all those times
02:52 chris it lives there until after the make install
02:52 chris make puts it there
02:52 wizzyrea_ aha
02:52 wizzyrea_ ty, now I know :)
02:53 bigbrovar chris: thanks installing that now.
02:54 bigbrovar libbusiness-isbn-perl is installed. do I need to run make again or just make test or do I start the compilation from the start with perl Makefile.PL
02:55 chris just make test
02:55 bigbrovar seriously guys .. your awesome bar is 110% :)
02:56 bigbrovar make test passed =)
02:56 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #44: SUCCESS in 25 min:[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/44/
02:56 hudsonbot * Zeno0 Tajoli: bug 5204: Unimarc XSLT, from French to English.
02:56 hudsonbot * Frédéric Demians: Bug 5204 Followup
02:56 hudsonbot * Tomás Cohen Arazi: Bug 5412 double quotes break coins and thus search results in some scenarios
02:56 bigbrovar thanks chris   wizzyrea_
03:01 hudsonbot Yippie, build fixed!
03:01 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #171: FIXED in 24 min:[…]/Koha_Master/171/
03:01 hudsonbot Chris Cormack: Bug 4440: Fixing template syntax errors
03:01 chris yay!
03:01 chris interestingly my local test didnt catch the error, yay for hudson
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03:18 brendan_l wow holy update of bugzilla batman
03:18 Brooke :)
03:23 chris heh
03:23 * Brooke salutes Chris with respect
03:24 chris other chris did the bugzilla update
03:25 Brooke anyone ever see to bugs 2326 and 2886?
03:27 chris the whole sysprefs editor has changed
03:27 chris its not anymore, so they might not apply
03:27 Brooke okie dokie, I'll get back in my newbie guide hole when I get the urge.
03:29 cait morning #koha
03:29 Brooke tag
03:30 chris morgen
03:30 Brooke touche
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03:30 Brooke <--- dummer junge
03:31 cait brooke: you are a aboy?
03:31 Brooke if it will let me do German Academic Fencing, then yes. Yes I am.
03:31 cait ?
03:32 cait German academic fencing?
03:32 Brooke
03:32 cait ah, that thing
03:32 cait you really think it's a good idea?
03:33 Brooke builds character ;)
03:34 cait hmpf
03:34 cait I think it's very stupid
03:35 Brooke my biggest issues still remain 1) I have a burning desire to shield bash
03:35 Brooke and 2) the foil weighs not nearly enough.
03:35 * cait is confused
03:36 * Brooke is used to reinactment blocked swordplay.
03:36 Brooke even kendo boken weigh substantially more than french foils.
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03:44 robin swords aren't generally particularly heavy
03:45 robin (although, foils are particularly light)
03:45 Brooke 500g max
03:45 Brooke might as well toss a meatball at the other guy ;)
03:45 robin heh
03:46 * robin plays with bokken at the moment, until I get to the point where I won't maim self/others
03:46 * Brooke wishes she had known that a couple weeks back.
03:47 robin yeah, could have been fun :)
03:51 chris[…]late_toolkit_test
03:52 robin I don't want to see "HTML Template Amateur"
03:56 cait hi robin and chris
03:56 robin hi cait!
03:58 cait laptop will me push over hand luggage limit :(
03:58 Brooke argh
03:58 robin they've never been very picky about hand luggage weight for me
03:58 Brooke I'm generally lucky, too, but I don't carry electronics
03:59 cait yeah, I will find out
04:00 robin I seem to be developing a set of small laptops for taking places.
04:00 robin I just upgraded my tiny one to one a bit bigger the other day
04:00 wizzyrea_ hehe
04:00 * wizzyrea_ takes that totally out of context, giggles
04:01 bigbrovar Hi guys, I am finally configuring koha via the web installer. I told it to import some optional settings to the database but it seems there were some issues when it tried to import sample_notice_messafe_transport.sql  it gave the follow error
04:01 Brooke any thoughts about the mac air stuff?
04:01 chris its a mac
04:01 robin wizzyrea_: Get your mind out of the gutter. You're blocking my view.
04:01 chris case closed
04:01 wizzyrea_ OH SNAP
04:01 robin Brooke: morally opposed to Apple
04:01 chris what he said
04:01 wizzyrea_ brooke: meh.
04:02 chris bigbrovar: i think you can ignore that one
04:02 robin bigbrovar: I don't think that should cause any problems, outside of the sample transports
04:02 wizzyrea_ i like my mac, and I don't particularly see a use for it. Much like I don't see a use for the ipad.
04:02 wizzyrea_ it = the air
04:03 wizzyrea_ but this is probably the last mac I'll personally own.
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04:04 * Brooke waves at wajasu
04:04 bigbrovar robin: chris: thanks
04:08 chris_n comments, etc. welcome: http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ember/034763.html
04:08 chris chris_n: just a few utf8 gremlins
04:08 chris Frédéric Demians
04:08 chris Tomás Cohen Arazi
04:08 Brooke wow
04:08 chris_n yeah, I have see about that
04:08 chris cool
04:08 Brooke way to go on the quick release :D
04:08 Brooke chris_n ++
04:09 wizzyrea_ chris_n++
04:09 wizzyrea_ chris_n delivers!
04:09 chris well, he will on november 22
04:09 Brooke I think that statement might prove true of all Koha related Chrises
04:09 chris :)
04:09 chris_n :)
04:10 Brooke awww Orgnisztion was clearly a compromise word ;)
04:11 chris its alright ive translated it back it into english
04:11 chris
04:11 chris :)
04:12 Brooke
04:12 chris yeah needs updating
04:13 chris tis hard, cos your library words dont make sense :-
04:13 chris )
04:13 Brooke not as much as
04:13 chris i think daniel was gonna do that after kohacon09
04:14 wizzyrea_ the people looked at my pics of the wellington library and said "oh, that's why koha is the way it is"
04:14 wizzyrea_ the people *here
04:14 wizzyrea_ I tried to tell em.
04:14 wizzyrea_ but nooooooo they wouldn't believe me
04:15 Brooke they needs see foxton and levin
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04:15 Brooke those are the real soil for the bodhi tree.
04:15 chris that wellington dont even use Koha?
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04:15 wizzyrea_ no, about issues vs check out
04:15 chris oh
04:15 wizzyrea_ reserves vs holds
04:16 wizzyrea_ fees vs fines
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04:16 chris everyone in the world says that
04:16 chris cept you :)
04:16 chris hehe
04:16 wizzyrea_ pbbt
04:16 * wizzyrea_ doesn't have a religious feeling about the terminology
04:16 chris yeah i dont care
04:16 chris i just translate it
04:16 * wizzyrea_ does have a religious feeling about the fact that it should be consistent
04:16 chris you can whine, or you can fix it
04:17 chris thats my theory anyway
04:17 * chris_n hits the hay
04:17 Brooke AACR2R says Cataloguing.
04:17 chris_n g'night
04:17 Brooke night
04:17 wizzyrea_ gnite chris_n
04:17 chris night chris_n
04:17 wizzyrea_ (good lord, that's a lot of patches)
04:17 wizzyrea_ (I am so impressed)
04:18 chris_n thank chris
04:18 chris
04:18 chris thank gmcharlt
04:18 * chris_n goes for real now :)
04:18 chris and the others who have been doing QA
04:18 wizzyrea_ well I think the new signoff rules are helping
04:18 wizzyrea_ to get things done
04:19 cait yep
04:21 chris merging branches takes me longer than just putting patches on master
04:21 chris but it does make things a lot easier to track
04:22 chris[…]ha.git;a=shortlog
04:22 chris and you can click on any of the branch names to get more info
04:22 wizzyrea_ oh that *IS* ncie
04:22 wizzyrea_ zounds look at owen go!
04:22 wizzyrea_ owen++
04:23 chris ok gotta go catch my bus bbiab
04:23 Brooke cheers
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04:41 chris Back, from the bus
04:42 Brooke adrenaline mostly gone, lactic acid mostly here. Right, stretch and bed.
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04:49 kmkale hi all
04:50 chris Hi kmkale
04:50 chris Merged 4440
04:51 kmkale hi chris
04:51 kmkale yes saw the mail. Thanks.
04:52 chris Cool
04:58 kmkale chris I created a new itemBarcodeInputFilter (which is useful for libraries stuck with barcodes printed from a ILS product in India called Libsuite8) and a patch for it. Its really ugly perl code but it works. Should I submit it?
04:59 chris Yes, perhaps with a note saying help cleaning the perl would be appreciated
05:00 kmkale Yes thats what I was thinking :)
05:00 kmkale will test a bit more and then submit it.
05:00 chris Cool
05:01 kmkale this patch stuff is addictive ;)
05:01 chris :)
05:02 chris Tell all your friends :)
05:02 kmkale hehe
05:10 cait chris: will you or fredericd update the translation files before 22nd? there are some new strings to translate
05:16 kmkale hi cait
05:16 cait hi kmkale
05:41 cait ok, time to go... bye all
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06:18 bigbrovar hi guys its me again. I am done importing our marc records to koha. and ran index. however when I search from opac I get this error  "Could not find opac-search.xml in /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/ at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 579 "
06:19 bigbrovar searching via the staff client works well though
06:26 bigbrovar ok I restarted and all seems to be working fine now
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06:47 fredericd cd
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07:50 brendan_l evening
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07:52 kmkale fredericd: I want to thank you for your help in the 4440 bug.
07:52 kmkale fredericd++
07:55 bigbrovar hi guys I keep getting this Could not find opac-search.xml in /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/ at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 579 when I search for anything in opac. although search works fine in staff client
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08:05 ivanc good morning #koha
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08:49 kmkale @weather
08:49 munin kmkale: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
08:49 kmkale @weather Mumbai
08:49 munin kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 33.0�C (1:40 PM IST on November 18, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling).
08:49 kmkale @roulette
08:49 munin kmkale: *click*
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09:08 bigbrovar @weather Abuja
09:08 munin bigbrovar: The current temperature in Abuja, Nigeria is 22.0�C (4:00 AM WAT on November 18, 2010). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa.
09:09 bigbrovar @roulette
09:09 munin bigbrovar: *click*
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13:18 kmkale hi owen druthb jwagner hdl chris_n
13:18 druthb hi, kmkale! :)
13:18 owen Hi everyone
13:21 jwagner Hello to all
13:21 hdl hi kmkale
13:35 kmkale can anyone tell me how to strip leading zeros from $2 in the following regex? $barcode =~ s/^(\D+)(\d+)$/$branch-$1-$2/i;
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13:46 chris_n kmkale: s/^(\D+)[0]*(\d+)$/$branch-$1-$2/i
13:48 kmkale :) that worked
13:49 kmkale thanks chris_n
13:49 kmkale chris_n++
13:51 kmkale wow that brings 22 lines of my earlier ugly code down to 4
13:58 jwagner regex++
14:05 bigbrovar @weather abuja
14:05 munin bigbrovar: The current temperature in Abuja, Nigeria is 31.0�C (1:00 PM WAT on November 18, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa.
14:17 druthb @weather 20817
14:17 munin druthb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 10.1�C (9:18 AM EST on November 18, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Steady).
14:24 * jwagner is humming an old Gordon Lightfoot song, except I'm on my second cup of _tea_ and I still can't face the day....I'll be reaching for the bottle before this day is done!
14:25 * druthb suspects it's not "Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald".
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14:33 bigbrovar Hi guys I am unable to place any item on hold. I just setup my koha instance and created a test user. But I can not get the user to place any item on hold. when I try I get this error "Sorry, none of these items can be placed on hold." I did some tailing of the koha logs and and opac error logs showed this
14:35 owen bigbrovar: Did you set up a default circulation rule which allows holds?
14:36 owen /cgi-bin/koha/admin/
14:37 bigbrovar owen: do I have to add that as a cron job or just run the script? what are the parameters.
14:37 owen Admin -> Circulation and fines rules
14:37 owen Sorry to not be clear
14:37 bigbrovar thanks I would check that up
14:39 owen Also check out the FAQ on
14:39 owen[…]q/circulation/#25
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14:43 bigbrovar thanks very much I would check them out. :)
14:43 kmkale bye all
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14:53 * owen wishes again that Bugzilla had some kind of "patch pushed" flag
14:54 sekjal owen: like an automatic notification?
14:54 owen No, a status in Bugzilla so I could do a search on it
14:54 sekjal ah.  that'd be easy enough to add
14:54 owen For instance, "show me bugs I reported which have been marked as "patch-pushed"
14:55 sekjal that would be nice
14:55 owen Then I've got a list of bugs I need to test and mark fixed.
14:59 wizzyrea you can't get an advanced search for that?
14:59 * wizzyrea tries
15:00 wizzyrea what's your user?
15:00 owen
15:01 wizzyrea[…]&emailtype1=exact
15:01 wizzyrea could limit that more by status
15:01 owen But that's patch-sent, not patch pushed
15:02 wizzyrea ahhh reading fail. But, i have another idea
15:02 wizzyrea[…]&emailtype1=exact
15:03 wizzyrea that only works if the person leaving the "patch pushed" comment doesn't have a hyphen in it
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15:04 owen I don't know...a search that works only if the data isn't messy? ;)
15:04 owen Thanks wizzyrea :)
15:04 wizzyrea yep :)
15:05 wizzyrea you could conceivably change that search in several ways that might make it more accurate
15:05 owen I wonder if you can set Bugzilla-wide saved searches based on a person's user?
15:06 wizzyrea you can definitely save searches
15:06 owen It's be cool to be able to provide some fine-tuned searches like that for everyone. Then the RM could say, "everyone please check your patch-pushed report"
15:06 wizzyrea that would be cool
15:06 wizzyrea is how I set that last one up
15:07 owen Sure, I've got lots of saved reports: 3.x bugs not mine, 3.x all patch-sent, assined to me, assigned to me and patched, etc.
15:07 wizzyrea I don't think you can save them for others though, that *would* be a neat feature
15:09 wizzyrea ooh
15:10 wizzyrea i'm sure the smart people already knew about that
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15:12 chris_n possibly a git-hook which emailed a comment to the bug number ref'd in the commit subject line
15:12 chris_n might be possible
15:14 owen Anyone know the status of Bug 2001? It says patch pushed, but since I was filing the bug on someone else's behalf I don't know how to test
15:14 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2001 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, unAPI doesn't work without public-facing zebra server running on port 9998
15:15 hdl well I knew git-bz
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15:17 chris_n technically a bug should be marked RESOLVED->FIXED once the patch has been pushed and tested
15:18 chris_n then the original reporter should mark VERIFIED once they have done so
15:18 chris_n then CLOSED once the release is made
15:18 owen So who's doing the testing when it is marked as fixed?
15:18 chris_n at least according to Bugzilla's help
15:19 owen The person pushing the patch?
15:19 chris_n probably the one pushing
15:19 chris_n in some cases that may not be possible, but the reporter should QA the solution in any case imho
15:20 * owen would be happy to see that process put in practice, since currently it seems redundant
15:20 chris_n but if we agreed for the pusher to mark bugs resolved->fixed when pushing
15:20 chris_n that would give us a more accurate way to chart progress
15:21 gmcharlt chris_n: that's automating it a tick too far
15:21 gmcharlt I agree that updating the bug automatically when something is pushed would be great
15:21 chris_n which?
15:22 * chris_n was not suggesting automating marking resolved->fixed
15:22 chris_n only doing it :-)
15:22 gmcharlt ah, I see
15:22 gmcharlt but even then, we'd have to be careful about not overdoing it in the case of partial fixes
15:22 chris_n if we were consistent in the doing we probably would not need the auto update
15:23 chris_n right
15:23 chris_n a partial fix really does not qualify as resolved in any case
15:25 owen gmcharlt: Could I foist Bug 2001 on you to verify?
15:25 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2001 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, unAPI doesn't work without public-facing zebra server running on port 9998
15:27 gmcharlt owen: sure - I can confirm that unapi no longer requires a public-facing zebra server
15:30 owen Thanks
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16:01 owen Hi nengard, you back home again?
16:02 nengard owen - for now
16:02 nengard trying to scamble to catch up before the next time away :(
16:02 owen It's always "for now" with you isn't it? :)
16:05 nengard yes!!!
16:05 nengard I want to stop myself from saying yes to every talk i'm offered but right now i just can't
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16:44 cait hi #koha
16:46 jwagner Hi cait
16:48 wizzyrea mornin cait
16:48 wizzyrea er
16:48 wizzyrea evening
16:48 cait hehe
16:48 druthb hi, cait. :)
16:49 * cait waves
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17:14 bigbrovar hi guys .. guys I am having some issues getting refined search by "libraries" and "currently available items" to work.  whenever I click on them to refine a search I get this “kw,wrdl: java branch:Computer Center Science Library”  even though the item is available for the particular library and listed in koha as such.
17:16 bigbrovar when I was migerating the catalog from spreadsheet to marc used the 952$b tag for the holding library but I did not define a tag for owning library. could this be the cause of the broken refined search for libraries?
17:18 cait bigbrovar: you should define a and b - use the same code in both if the item is at his home branch
17:19 cait but I am not sure this is the cause of your problem
17:19 cait ok, I am gone - bye all
17:19 bigbrovar cait: I just crossed check and a and b are set to same library
17:20 bigbrovar cait: bye :)
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17:23 bigbrovar I had a very productive day today with koha. although I am new at it I have learned quite a lot and would not have gone far without the help of you guys. just wanna say thanks.
17:23 bigbrovar now time to close for the day
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17:24 wizzyrea so what do you do in the case of a person with several hundred checkouts
17:25 wizzyrea and it times out
17:25 owen Wow, several hundred?
17:25 wizzyrea how does one even function
17:25 wizzyrea yea
17:25 wizzyrea not sure yet why exactly they have so many
17:25 owen We don't allow it, so I've never seen it
17:26 sekjal wizzyrea: the disable tablesort syspref in 3.2.1 would help, I think, if it could be cherry-picked
17:28 owen Unless wizzyrea is talking about an server timeout (as opposed to a Firefox crash)
17:30 jwagner owen, bug number? I'm pretty sure that's already on our list of fixes, but want to doublecheck
17:31 owen jwagner: Bug number for what?
17:33 jwagner the tablesorter syspref
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17:35 owen Bug 5396, a patch for which was just pushed to master
17:35 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5396 enhancement, P5, ---, ian.walls, RESOLVED FIXED, UseTablesortForCirc syspref to toggle table sorter on circ/
17:37 sekjal alright, lunch time.
17:37 sekjal is now known as sekjal_a
17:38 jwagner Yes, it's on our list. Thanks.
17:39 jwagner (And yes, we have sites that allow that many checkouts.  And holds.  Nightmare city....)
17:39 owen jwagner: So what do you do when circulation times out because of it?
17:40 jwagner The site that had the biggest problem was a standalone self-hosted, so we did some hacks to the circ page itself to turn off the tables.  Not a long-term solution but it worked for them.
17:40 jwagner The whole problem is on our list of things to work on, though.  Your solution will probably help considerably.
17:40 owen Turn off the tables? So you just don't show the checkouts?
17:41 jwagner Right, on the checkout tab. They were concerned about speed at the checkout desk.  If they really want to see the list, they go to the details tab and wait for it to load, sigh.
17:42 jwagner (For some reason, they weren't amenable to our suggestion of just limiting the number of checkouts and holds to a reasonable level....)
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18:26 chris @wunder wellington nz
18:26 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on November 19, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
18:27 owen Good morning chris
18:28 wizzyrea ooh, nice day
18:28 chris Heya owen
18:28 wizzyrea cloudy, but warmish
18:28 chris Yeah no wind
18:28 chris Plus its friday
18:29 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence ks
18:29 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 5.6�C (12:30 PM CST on November 18, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.38 in 1028.7 hPa (Steady).
18:29 wizzyrea brrr
18:30 druthb @wunder 20817
18:31 munin druthb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 12.3�C (1:31 PM EST on November 18, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1019.9 hPa (Rising).
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18:33 chris Hey sekjal, settled back in?
18:33 sekjal mostly, yes, though still playing some catch up
18:34 chris That'll last for 11 years
18:34 chris That's my experience anyway :)
18:35 sekjal yeah, I reckon so.  I've been making progress, but without that TARDIS, I'm never quite going to have enough time to do all the stuff I want to
18:36 chris Yup
18:36 wizzyrea hehe
18:36 wizzyrea I can see ian as the 13th Doctor.
18:37 * wizzyrea has his sonic screwdriver all ready
18:37 chris So, I really think we should run like you suggested
18:37 wizzyrea ^^
18:37 wizzyrea it's a good idea
18:37 sekjal neat!
18:37 chris There is a ton of cc licensed music
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18:38 chris We just need a machine with disk, and some software to set up playlists
18:38 chris Streaming is easy with icecast
18:40 * sekjal 's first experience with internet radio was for an online game he used to play: Kingdom of Loathing
18:40 chris Cool
18:41 sekjal got introduced to lots of good stuff that way
18:42 chris Yep, I'm not sure on the legalities of streaming ripped music, so might be better to stick to licenses that allow it
18:42 chris But that's cool, supporting artists who release their music so ppl can hear ir
18:43 chris I'm down with that
18:43 sekjal definitely.  the legal issues would be compounded with the international nature of our community.
18:43 nengard framework question - if you're importing records into Koha and the default framework doesn't have a field what happens to that field if there was data in the imported record? I think I've seen it populate that field anyway, but I want to confirm
18:44 gmcharlt nengard: correct, the field gets loaded
18:44 chris I think it does, you just can't see it
18:44 chris Cept in the db
18:44 nengard thanks gmcharlt - chris if you can't see it and then you edit the bib later does it empty that field?
18:44 chris Don't think so
18:45 gmcharlt and the various displays that don't follow the frameworks :)
18:45 chris Oh you can see it in xslt
18:45 nengard after my perl class (and when i have time) i want to make cataloging less dependent on those silly things
18:45 chris What frameworks?
18:45 nengard yes
18:45 nengard they shouldn't be necessary
18:45 nengard you should be able to add and change fields on the fly
18:45 nengard while cataloging
18:46 nengard frameworks should be an option
18:46 nengard to make your life easier
18:46 nengard instead they make things harder on catalogers (or harder on this cataloger()
18:46 sekjal I agree we need a new editor, more like OCLC Connexion, that can exist in parallel with the current one
18:46 sekjal but I think frameworks have a lot going for them
18:46 chris I've only used them to turn off craploads of fields to make ppl lives easier
18:47 chris So I like them
18:47 chris Yeah what he said
18:47 nengard :)
18:47 sekjal especially if we generalize them a bit for handling arbitrary metadata formats (beyond MARC)
18:47 sekjal no trivial feat, that
18:48 sekjal but they serve as a semantic layer for the metadata, which is a handy structure
18:48 chris Right my stop
18:49 chris Back soon
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18:51 * druthb waves to liz
18:56 chris back
18:56 * wizzyrea_ waves
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19:09 chris[…]late_toolkit_test
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19:17 Brooke :)
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19:18 rachdik hi
19:18 Brooke howdy
19:18 rachdik i need help translation koha to french
19:19 rachdik hi Brook
19:19 Brooke hmph
19:19 Brooke generally either paul or hdl is about
19:19 rachdik ??
19:19 * druthb waves to Brooke.
19:19 Brooke frederic should be able to help, too
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19:31 larsw I'll mention it here too: in about half an hour there will be a Debian packaging tutorial on IRC on the network (hosted by oftc), on the #debian-women channel. I will be teaching. Everybody's welcome to join.
19:32 chris ohh cool
19:40 gmcharlt larsw: OK to mention this on #evergreen?
19:41 larsw gmcharlt, sure
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20:02 * Brooke waves at wizzyrea
20:05 * druthb waves, and heads out to catch a bus.
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20:06 rhcl must be nice to have decent bus service
20:07 Brooke I <3 WMATA
20:07 Brooke most of the time, anyway
20:08 owen anyone have any suggestions about switching between copies of the Koha database when testing branches?
20:08 * Brooke desperately searches about the channel for the will to compleat more "real" work.
20:08 chris owen: i have different config files that point to different dbs
20:08 chris and switch apache to use them
20:09 owen can you tell me more?
20:09 Brooke paste?
20:09 wizzyrea_ I have one config file that has a commented out line for the db def, and one active one
20:09 wizzyrea_ when I want to switch them I just switch the commented line
20:10 chris koha-3.2-conf.xml koha-master-conf.xml etc
20:10 wizzyrea_ ok bye aain
20:10 chris and in the apache conf where it says KOHA_CONF=whatever i just change that
20:10 wizzyrea_ again*
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20:33 * Brooke waves at magnus
20:33 * Brooke coaxes one of Magnus' puffin dogs over when he's not looking...
20:34 * magnus waves back at Brooke
20:35 * magnus never takes his eyes off the dogs... ;-)
20:35 magnus except right now i'm in Oslo...
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20:56 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'kc/new/bug_5004' into kcmaster <[…]1a9ee034f8d8daaae> / Another bug 5004 fix, this time for road types <[…]44e1816a6c9978f45> / Fix for Bug 5004, Don't block deletion of cities when instances exist in borrowers... <http://git.koha-communit
21:00 hudsonbot Starting build 172 for job Koha_Master (previous build: FIXED)
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21:14 munin New commit(s) kohagit32: Another bug 5004 fix, this time for road types <[…]621a8ef1069975a7d> / Fix for Bug 5004, Don't block deletion of cities when instances exist in borrowers... <[…]69a0ec6f029a79282>
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21:24 hudsonbot Project Koha_Master build #172: SUCCESS in 24 min:[…]/Koha_Master/172/
21:24 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5004, Don't block deletion of cities when instances exist in borrowers table
21:24 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Another bug 5004 fix, this time for road types
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21:34 seneca Greetings folks - I've got a question about label creation in 3.2
21:35 seneca We recently upgraded to 3.2 and our labels were working great before that.
21:35 seneca Now, the label template seems to be oddly off - namely, it appears there's too much space being placed between the biblio info and the barcode
21:36 seneca such that the first line of the biblio info is being printer above the label and the number under the barcode is being printed below the label
21:37 seneca Doesn't matter what size font we use, in case that might be a thought - it was for us as well. :)
21:37 seneca It's like there's some weird extra lines after the last field in the biblio text/
21:37 seneca Anyone seen such a thing before?
21:39 hudsonbot Project Koha_3.2.x build #45: SUCCESS in 23 min:[…]ob/Koha_3.2.x/45/
21:39 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Fix for Bug 5004, Don't block deletion of cities when instances exist in borrowers table
21:39 hudsonbot * Owen Leonard: Another bug 5004 fix, this time for road types
21:40 seneca Is there anyone here?
21:40 darling yes
21:40 seneca heh :) just checking
21:40 darling but I don't know anything about labels
21:40 darling wish I could help
21:41 seneca That's cool. It's the strangest thing. Thanks.
21:41 seneca I'll wait around for someone else...
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22:10 hilongo Hello ther ...
22:10 hilongo anybody can help me with some problem updating my Koha
22:19 hilongo sigh ...
22:19 hilongo ok ... we'll have to fix it tomorrow  :)
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23:17 brendan @wunder 93117
23:17 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.8�C (3:18 PM PST on November 18, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Steady).
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23:23 cait hi #koha
23:23 chris hiya cait
23:24 chris you in berlin?
23:25 cait yep
23:25 cait presentation tomorrow
23:26 chris good luck :)
23:26 cait thx :)
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