IRC log for #koha, 2010-10-26

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00:17 nengard so sad :( hehe
00:18 wizzyrea_ shameful!
00:18 braedon is BK all wellington has to offer? :P
00:19 wizzyrea_ I had a lovely kebab
00:19 wizzyrea_ :P
00:19 braedon what was all that fuss about win7?
00:19 * braedon is reading the feed
00:20 nengard summary on my blog of that talk braedon
00:20 braedon o, it was part of a pres?
00:20 nengard yes
00:20 braedon i assumed it was a technical glitch
00:20 braedon found it
00:20 braedon thanks
00:20 * chris_n makes the first push toward 3.2.1
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00:21 chris_n nengard: that is sad indeed ;)
00:21 wizzyrea_ chris_n++
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00:21 * chris_n refused to eat McD's when he visited Spain
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00:21 nengard i think sekjal is listening to paul_p and not seeing his picture :)
00:22 wizzyrea_ we broke down once in the airport, and had dunkin and a mcmuffin (but that was spud and the hubs... I AM STILL PURE)
00:22 sekjal I was in here late working on tickets for our clients, and had to grab something quick!
00:22 nengard we ate at the library - it was DELICOUS!!
00:22 nengard the real library - not the bar library
00:23 wizzyrea_ right, they have a good cafe there
00:23 nengard sekjal++ for working :)
00:23 sekjal I was also curious about the experience of BK out of America
00:23 wizzyrea_ lol
00:23 bengard what's the verdict?
00:23 sekjal it's a little better.  not much, but I don't feel as contaminated
00:23 chris_n is it as bad as in America?
00:23 chris_n snap
00:23 bengard so less toxic waste in NZ BK?
00:23 sekjal I think so.
00:23 bengard well, they do seem to be more environmentally conscious here
00:24 braedon still mainly cardboard and napkins though
00:24 sekjal won't be doing it again
00:24 braedon dagnamit
00:24 sekjal trying not to eat the same place too many times; want to get a broad range of experience while I'm here
00:25 slef is the wifi dead?
00:25 * braedon keeps for getting not to make obscure references to cartoons here...
00:25 bengard so you won't be going to get kebabs with Nate every night?
00:25 wizzyrea_ no, but you can't have alternate dns in or it won't find the caenet website
00:25 wizzyrea_ cafenet*
00:25 * wizzyrea_ thought it was dead too
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00:26 slef nah, I have no wifi ap connection
00:26 sekjal bengard: going to try not to, though those kebabs are pretty good!
00:26 bengard heh
00:27 slef I'll move nearer the back and see if I get a better ap link
00:27 slef I think I bit my tongue at lunch :-(
00:28 wizzyrea noes!
00:28 nengard :(
00:28 braedon could be it - wi-fi connections are all about how you hold your tongue
00:28 slef aha I have wifi... brb
00:29 slef back!
00:30 slef multinetwork_devices++ anyway
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00:57 slef paul_p++
00:58 slef paul_p: I think you do not know how great that accent is :)
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00:58 paul_p slef, kidding or not ? (/me think yes)
00:58 slef not
00:59 nengard he's not kidding
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01:00 slef paul_p: you ever heard of Antoine de Caunes?
01:00 wizzyrea_ ^^ hehe
01:00 paul_p slef, of course yes !
01:00 slef paul_p: he is cult hero on uk tv
01:01 slef I think you imagine it is like an anglo accent en francais
01:01 slef which is bad, I know :)
01:01 slef it's infinitely better than that.
01:02 chilts paul_p: do you have a Twitter account?
01:03 paul_p chilts, paul_poulain
01:03 chilts sweet, thanks :)
01:03 paul_p slef, yep, even in France, he plays with his english accent, doing some performances in "frenglish" that are really lol !
01:03 slef oops not paul_p?
01:04 slef who did I link???
01:04 slef :)
01:04 chilts slef: dunno, but I copied and got it wrong too :)
01:04 nengard slef i think that was my fault - i linked to paul_p first and then saw that I did the wrong thing and everyone followed suit
01:04 chilts heh
01:04 slef yeah I was copying
01:04 chilts welcome to the internet and copying info without checking sources :D
01:04 paul_p slef, on twitter, no, it's paul_poulain
01:05 slef is that a bugmeme?
01:05 chilts memebad
01:05 chilts :)
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01:05 slef chilts: yeah, I was double-checking that sofia is in bulgaria about 10mins before I spoke
01:06 slef as I remembered that I'd looked that up on wikipedia instead of a real source
01:06 slef which is dangerous
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01:11 paul_p nengard,  In 2002 Koha 2.1 was released along with the introduction  =>  In 2002 Koha 1.2 was released along with the introduction  (1.2 not 2.1)
01:11 nengard oopsie - typo - will fix
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01:12 nengard fixed
01:13 nengard why do i smell something cinnamony? who has yummy sugar behind me?
01:14 wizzyrea_ I smell it too, I think it's her pastry
01:14 cait I think it's the woman in front of me
01:14 wizzyrea_ --------->
01:14 * cait smells the cinnamon too
01:15 nengard cait - oh there she is!! :)
01:17 slef #weSupportHLT
01:17 slef ?
01:18 cait ?
01:18 slef see
01:18 paul_p nengard, (thanks)
01:18 wizzyrea_ hehe, "simulates a modern library"
01:18 wizzyrea_ uh...
01:18 cait paul_p: she is right
01:19 cait you did very well
01:19 wizzyrea_ kind of *is* a modern library
01:19 wizzyrea_ >.>
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01:19 paul_p cinnamon has not reached my line yet ;-)
01:20 wizzyrea_ the cinnamon bun is nearly devoured
01:20 wizzyrea_ so ti may not waft to you
01:21 Nate I smell kebabs
01:21 Nate Kebabs.... Mmmmmmm
01:21 wizzyrea_ lol
01:21 wizzyrea_ (that's your breath, dude)
01:21 wizzyrea_ >.>
01:21 * magnus thought we just had lunch
01:22 Nate O.O
01:22 wizzyrea_ ^.^ kidding, kidding
01:23 Nate :D
01:26 bengard kebab: it's like a popsicle, only made of meat
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01:32 magnus oh no, she says "KOHA"...
01:34 sekjal magnus: only on a couple of the slides, though
01:35 wizzyrea_ I got an email from one of my librarians with the dreaded all caps this morning
01:35 wizzyrea_ well, yesterday afternoon for them really. :P
01:37 sekjal does anyone remember if we've discussed setting up a Kete instance for the Koha community?  I feel like it may have come up before, but my initial searches just return info on integration
01:37 wizzyrea_ I don't think we have
01:38 sekjal I think it'd be pretty cool
01:38 wizzyrea_ agreed... what would we keep in it?
01:39 cait wizzyrea: what I see a lot is KoHa *shivers*
01:39 sekjal well, all the wiki content could fit there
01:39 sekjal video tutorials
01:39 wizzyrea_ !!
01:39 sekjal conference recordings
01:39 slef yeah well some  dev co spent years flaming kea, so kete didn't really get considered ever
01:39 sekjal images from conferences, regional get togethers, what-have-you
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01:41 sekjal could add icon sets, logos, other image files to connect to your system preferences
01:41 wizzyrea_ so you're thinking of replacing the wiki?
01:41 wizzyrea_ I like the idea of keeping the multimedia content there
01:41 sekjal also sound files to use in the HTML5 parts of circ
01:42 magnus i think the wiki is better for text - easier to create links
01:42 wizzyrea_ the obvious question that you'll get, I think, is "why can't you put that stuff on the wiki?"
01:42 magnus but kete would be great for files/documents etc
01:42 wizzyrea_ ^^
01:42 cait perhaps replace kohadocs?
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01:42 sekjal would be easy to pull in content from a Kete into Koha directly, as we saw yesterday
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01:43 sekjal have dynamic connections for the help files, perhaps
01:43 wizzyrea_ well frankly, we should be doing that *already*
01:43 wizzyrea_ nengard, have you done much work in those internal help files?
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01:44 wizzyrea_ that was kind of a random disconnect
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01:46 sekjal another benefit: if we find that we need to stretch Kete to make it meet our needs, we're contributing to a sister system
01:46 wizzyrea do note I'm not opposed to kete-koha
01:46 sekjal I do realize it would duplicate a lot of what's in the wiki
01:46 sekjal but don't we get a lot of folks lamenting dealing with wiki syntax?
01:47 wizzyrea yes, indeed we do
01:47 sekjal my understanding is that Kete has a lower barrier for entry
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01:50 wizzyrea that's probably true, wiki syntax sucks and does take time to learn
01:52 chilts can anyone let me know what that script is (I think) which sets up your machine to serve from your Git checkout?
01:53 wizzyrea anybody have some tylenol? Ms. Wagner is in dire need :/
01:53 chilts some kind of install thing
01:53 wizzyrea sets dev vs. standard install
01:53 wizzyrea is that what you're thinking of?
01:56 chilts yeah, sounds like it
01:56 chilts so perl Makefile.PL, make, then make install ... and it'll ask me what type of install I want?
01:56 chilts (sudo make install) :D
01:56 wizzyrea yea, should ask you what kind you want
01:56 chilts excellent, thanks wizzyrea
01:56 wizzyrea
01:56 wizzyrea that is :)
01:56 sekjal Makefile.PL
01:56 sekjal actually
01:56 wizzyrea >.<
01:56 chilts yup, saw that :)
01:56 wizzyrea what he said, lol
01:57 * wizzyrea just undertook the cleanup of the lenny install docs, and should have gotten that right. Vacation has addled her brain
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02:06 slef wizzyrea_: and addled your net link?
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02:31 bengard mmm . . . kebabs
02:31 chilts do we talk about kebabs?
02:31 darling dang, now I'm hungry
02:31 chilts :)
02:31 slef cait: do you say kebaps?
02:31 cait no, not really
02:31 bengard also, nengard's pretty awesome, huh?
02:31 * cait is not a big fan of kebabs
02:32 wizzyrea she's amazing ^.^
02:32 wizzyrea you might be biased though
02:32 bengard me? no way!
02:33 cait biased or not, he is right
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02:34 paul_p nengard++
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02:34 paul_p the world is full of awesome ppl, but with nengard we've found a grade-A one !!!
02:38 magnus hear, hear
02:38 slef moo!
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02:40 wizzyrea I just checked it, it's on every page of the manual
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02:44 nengard awws shucks :) you're all so nice :)
02:44 slef couldn't resist the will anyone pay call
02:44 slef I should really
02:45 * slef naughty
02:50 nengard hehe :)
02:50 nengard i didn't mind
02:50 nengard i've had much worse heckling at talks before :)
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02:52 slef I warned russel about that
02:54 nengard okay my nose is smelling a sandwich now -- the cinnamon roll was better ;)
02:55 cait hm, cinnamon rolls
02:56 wizzyrea spud's favorite
02:58 nengard did he get one this morning?
02:59 darling i think they're not highly available here
02:59 darling some nz sweets blind spots exist
03:00 nengard darling they are at breakfast - not the kind i'm used to at home - but they are cinnamon rolls
03:00 darling cool!
03:00 darling dang, now I'm hungry
03:01 wizzyrea no, I'm thinking that maybe what wellington *really* needs are proper cinnamon rolls
03:01 wizzyrea and since there aren't many
03:01 wizzyrea you can do it relatively badly and still do ok :P
03:01 braedon you guys are obsessed
03:01 wizzyrea (it takes hard work to mess up cinnamon rolls properly)
03:01 darling braedon, only on the important things
03:02 * wizzyrea makes totally passable cinnamon rolls
03:02 darling well pass some over here then
03:02 wizzyrea lol
03:02 * cait wants one too
03:02 * braedon will take 5
03:02 * nengard doesn't bake, but i can do the pillsbury rolls
03:02 nengard totally craving sugar now - oh - i had a 'american style' brownie at lunch
03:02 wizzyrea someone get me a kitchen, stat >.>
03:02 nengard it was yummy
03:03 darling brownies here can be very miss -- tend to be too dry to bite
03:03 cait I have a microwave in my room
03:03 cait but no oven :(
03:03 darling you can do a lot w/ a microwave
03:03 bengard ovens in hotel rooms typically end in catastrophic fire, I'd guess
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03:04 darling bengard, deep fryers too
03:04 wizzyrea our old room had a convection oven/micro
03:04 wizzyrea I miss that place :/
03:04 bengard also campfires
03:04 wizzyrea blowtorches
03:04 bengard flamethrowers
03:04 wizzyrea arc welders
03:04 braedon breeder reactors
03:04 wizzyrea nuclear submarines!
03:05 nengard oh boy - you guys got him started
03:05 bengard ICBMs!
03:05 wizzyrea Saturn rockets!
03:05 bengard Star Destroyers!
03:05 wizzyrea Scramjets!
03:05 bengard wait, Star Destroyer beats Scramjet!
03:06 sekjal Starscream?
03:06 wizzyrea ... a solar sail 1000km wide? I don't think so
03:06 wizzyrea or wait... sorry, that's focused radiation
03:06 braedon super star destroyers?
03:06 bengard there you go
03:06 bengard Death Stars!
03:06 bengard that's no moon!
03:06 braedon moons?
03:07 wizzyrea /facepalm
03:07 wizzyrea ok ok you win
03:07 bengard ;)
03:07 slef huh?
03:07 cait lol
03:07 wizzyrea things that cause fires in hotel rooms
03:07 bengard that just means I'm a bigger geek
03:07 slef I look away and it goes all star wars on me.
03:07 wizzyrea that might be true
03:08 darling i hope you all were minding the presentation also
03:08 nengard you're distracting me - can't blog a talk if i'm paying attnetion to you all :)
03:08 wizzyrea is that the ruler slap, teacher
03:08 slef yeah, koha authoritative body to licence training, eh?
03:08 slef license even
03:08 darling the cert topic is interesting
03:08 slef I blame they tiny keyboard
03:09 slef the even
03:09 wizzyrea that's a pretty library
03:09 cait made a note to ask my library school about a koha workshop
03:09 * cait remembers it was all talk and we never really got to play with something
03:09 bengard hey, that's awesome
03:10 slef ooh another rfid user
03:10 wizzyrea cait: should be much easier for them to install now that it's packaged for debian
03:10 slef I think he told me that at coffee
03:10 cait yeah, or we can use one of our installations
03:10 slef I'm dizzy with all the rfid interest.
03:10 wizzyrea seriously, do no other koha libraries transit reserves with RFID?
03:11 wizzyrea or it really works ok for everyone else?
03:11 cait slef: lots of interest and use in rfid in Germany too
03:11 cait use of...
03:11 wizzyrea because to hear the complaints from my only RFID library you'd think the whole thing was esplodey with nuclear proportions
03:12 slef but is everyone else using proprietary or bespoke staff terminal devices
03:12 slef ?
03:12 wizzyrea actually, the RFID isn't the problem. It's the SIP that's the problem. So I should probably be more accurate
03:13 wizzyrea the RFID works fine
03:13 slef sip works
03:13 wizzyrea HA
03:13 slef except when it doesn't
03:13 cait like everything
03:13 slef then debugging is hell
03:13 wizzyrea ^^ that
03:13 wizzyrea add on the fact that I don't have direct server access and I might as well be blind in the dark.
03:13 slef sip seems expensive to debug :-/
03:14 wizzyrea blind in the dark anyway really. Hrmph.
03:14 cait it's difficult because you have to work with another company, can't test it all yourself
03:14 slef maybe I should offer to write a sip debugger for koha
03:14 * cait spend days on creating test cases for vendor
03:14 wizzyrea yes. But... I've just hatched an idea
03:14 slef but lots easier to do in hackfest
03:15 cait slef: I think my coworker has something
03:15 slef and I doubt catalyst has a selfcheck handy for hacking
03:15 cait he can simulate sip requests, probably written in python
03:15 slef yeah but debugging koha is not the problem
03:15 sekjal if the community could agree on a set of standards for 'certifying' any given training program, anyone could offer up an accreditation for a training against those standards
03:16 slef it's figuriong out what the self check sends and why
03:16 wizzyrea kansas has just struggled through that re: general library training
03:16 slef and why koha doesn't like that
03:16 cait sekjal: why do we need that?
03:16 sekjal not saying we need it
03:16 sekjal but we could do it
03:16 sekjal if we wanted to
03:16 cait but shouldn't we have a reason to do it?
03:16 wizzyrea I think it's a fine idea
03:17 cait or perhaps I don't get it
03:17 slef cait++
03:17 sekjal our presenter brought up the idea, so at least someone out there is thinking of it
03:17 slef I almost commented when ptfs suggested ksf employing ppl to manage the community... like why do we want to pay bosses to whip us?
03:18 slef we beat ourselves up to go faster enough anyway
03:18 slef just not always in ptfs's direction
03:19 cait sounds like adding a new barrier to me
03:19 sekjal I'm just saying that if the community can agree on some general things that make a good training program, we could publish that list
03:19 cait and who will certify people in other countries?
03:19 sekjal then, if anyone does a training, someone else (anyone) can compare the program against the list to see if it jives
03:19 sekjal and anyone else can verify that verification, and so on
03:19 sekjal web of trust
03:20 cait hm, tutorials for trainers sound like a good idea
03:20 cait check lists or something
03:20 slef train the trainers
03:20 sekjal yes
03:20 wizzyrea Yea, that's handy
03:20 braedon but who will train the trainer trainers?
03:20 sekjal nengard
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03:21 nengard was i just volunteered for something???
03:21 sekjal hehe
03:21 braedon nengard, trainer of trainers
03:22 cait nengard: want a cookie?
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03:22 braedon wizzrea and cait run away...
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03:25 cait iam here
03:25 * cait waves
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04:13 kmkale Good morning all
04:16 braedon 'mornin
04:18 kmkale brb
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04:57 kmkale Hi all
04:58 kmkale IN the enhanced content syspref it says "NOTE: if you have more than one source of cover images set up, Koha will use the first available. " but if I have Amazon AND Google cover images enabled, It displays both. How to prevent that?
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05:57 chris cool, got control of the freshmeat listing of koha
05:58 kmkale hi chris
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06:19 chris kmkale: it'll need a code change
06:19 chris they are pulled in by js
06:19 chris and they js doesnt really know what the other js is doing
06:19 Amit heya chris, kmkale
06:19 kmkale hi Amit
06:19 chris heya Amit
06:20 kmkale chris so the note displayed is a bug?
06:20 Amit chris: i have send some patches for analytical records have u seen?
06:20 kmkale I observed it behaves correctly by displaying only one image in staff client, but in OPAC it displays both if found
06:31 kmkale brb
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06:35 chris Amit: saw them, will apply them to a branch and get colin to do qa on them after kohacon10
06:35 Amit thanx chris
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07:09 mib_David what kinds of hardware server requirements do you guys use?  This would be for less than 25k records.
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08:07 mib_David I'm getting some strange results back when I do a catalog search.  I get several records of "0: No error: : ZOOM:" as the title and the final one says "10007: Timeout: : ZOOM".  What might be causing this issue?
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10:28 kmkale In a retrospective conversion of bib data to Koha where would I put Invoice Date, Invoice No, Order Date, Purchase Order Number?
10:34 slef 952 subtags?
10:35 slef bbl
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10:39 kmkale slef: I can accomodate Invoide Date in 952$d but what about the rest?
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11:43 chris_n g'morning #koha
11:43 * chris_n misses munin
11:43 chris_n gmcharlt: ping
11:44 chris_n nm
11:44 gmcharlt chris_n: you miss munin without the crown of op-hood?
11:44 chris_n !hudson botsnack cinnamon melt
11:44 hudsonbot chris_n: you're so kind to me! I just love cinnamon melt!
11:45 chris_n gmcharlt: hehe
11:46 chris_n anyone about running and then who could verify the resulting notices are incorrect
11:47 * chris_n listens to the sound of the echo of his voice slowly die away in the distance
11:48 kmkale incorrect how chris_n ? I am running fines & overdue
11:48 chris_n on the first day the item is overdue, the notice shows a fine of $0.00 which is incorrect, yet the patron's account shows $0.25 which is correct
11:51 kmkale I can verify tomorrow. That library is closed for the day by now.
11:51 chris_n kmkale: thanks
11:51 chris_n me thinks there is a bug
11:53 kmkale chris_n: gmcharlt: sorry for repeating my question but  In a retrospective conversion of bib data to Koha where would I put Invoice Date, Invoice No, Order Date, Purchase Order Number?
11:53 * chris_n is afraid he is not much help there
11:54 gmcharlt kmkale: such data wouldn't be embedded in the bib record; you'd need to populate tables like aqorders directly
11:55 kmkale gmcharlt: ouch! was afraid of that answer
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11:56 kmkale One more on Enhanced contents syspref page it says "NOTE: if you have more than one source of cover images set up, Koha will use the first available."
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11:56 kmkale but in OPAC if cover images are available from both Amazon & Google it displays both. Bug?
11:57 gmcharlt yes
11:57 gmcharlt syspref description is currently incorrect
11:57 kmkale So display of multiple images it the correct behavior?
11:59 gmcharlt define correct :)  however, having it display just one image and query multiple sources, a la the syspref description, seems like more desirable behavior
12:00 kmkale somehow seems wrong. If an image is found it should stop.. chris earlier said it was one js unaware of the other & needs a code change.
12:02 gmcharlt right
12:02 gmcharlt doing some revamping of the book jacket code would be a good thing
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12:06 kmkale opps in the network
12:08 kmkale gmcharlt: any chance of patch bug 4440 getting into next version?
12:08 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4440 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED, Adding feature to print fines/fees receipts
12:09 chris_n I'd say so
12:09 kmkale thanks chris_n
12:09 gmcharlt agreed
12:10 kmkale thanks gmcharlt
12:10 chris_n I think there are several new features already working that will be pushed rather quickly
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12:31 chris_n hi schuster
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12:36 schuster Hey!...  pretty quiet when half the community is in the same room... ;(
12:44 * gmcharlt uses really big bullhorn to shout to New Zealand:  WAKE UP
12:48 kmkale :)
13:05 kmkale its good to put faces to peoples names by looking at flicker photos
13:13 schuster Yep it is fun...  I like to make comments on the picture out of context... he he he...
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13:31 kmkale bye all
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13:42 jcamins_a is now known as jcamins
13:42 jcamins Good morning, #koha
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14:14 brendan morning
14:14 jcamins gmcharlt: what are the changes that you're pushing into the git repository for? I mean, is HEAD still 3.2-branch or is it 3.4?
14:15 gmcharlt jcamins: bugfixes meant to be cherry-picked to 3.2.x
14:15 gmcharlt I am also pushing out new topic branches at times
14:16 jcamins I see.
14:18 jcamins Thanks.
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14:43 brendan alright - I need some help with some logic here
14:43 brendan let's say I pull a record in via Z3950 and it's already got some 952's info in there
14:43 brendan in acq that is
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14:44 brendan of course the extra items will not show in the opac of staff details view - but if I go to item-editor I can see all those extra items in there
14:44 brendan should a bit of logic be added somewhere?
14:45 gmcharlt it should either be stripping the 952s or creating real items
14:45 brendan a good example is here -->[…]iblionumber=57480
14:45 brendan look at the MARC view
14:45 gmcharlt a random Z39.50 server likely won't have 952s that mean anything to the library
14:46 gmcharlt but if a vendor is provding a MARC file of reords to order from, they potentially could be creating item records for the library
14:46 brendan right it doesn't mean anything to normal views - but going into the item-editor -it's got 10 extra items
14:47 brendan so some logic to the Add to Order for Z3950 - that it shouldn't pull in 952's ?
14:47 brendan I think that wouldn't be helpful
14:49 gmcharlt would or wouldn't?
14:49 brendan I'm not sure that's where my logic is failing me
14:50 brendan like you said - reorders or going to a vendor with Z3950 then it could be helpful to have the 952 already in there?
14:50 gmcharlt well, that's a matter for the profile that the library has set up with the materials vendor
14:50 brendan would acq even recognize a reorder (item info) in the 952
14:51 brendan so reorder don't do that in acq.  but in normal staged marc records
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17:42 drulm Hello
17:48 brendan morning
17:48 drulm Are you at the conference? If so how is it?
17:48 brendan nope I'm at home in Cali
17:48 brendan someone had to stay behind :)
17:49 drulm Drat, sorry to hear that! :) Well good job holding down the fort.
17:51 brendan I hear that everyone is having a great time though
17:54 chris i think im gonna have to change a lot of statuses today
17:54 brendan from what to what?
17:54 brendan you talking git?
17:54 brendan and good morning chris
17:55 chris[…]l?biblionumber=72
17:55 chris koha statuses .. to damaged :)
17:55 brendan ah - says the brown cow
17:55 chris i think a few people had big nights
17:55 brendan heh
17:55 gmcharlt lol
17:55 * chris went home and got some sleep, feeling a lot more human today
17:56 brendan create a new status - of "slighty hungover" or "this person is done"
17:56 chris heh
17:56 gmcharlt they may not appreciate that when filling out their expense forms ;)
17:56 brendan or "this person needs to shower"
17:56 chris heh
17:57 brendan for Nate - "silly little hobbit"
17:57 chris wow, kristina takes good photos
17:57 chris hehe
17:57 drulm Koha statuses, yeah
17:58 gmcharlt brendan: speaking of which, I will be very disappointed if you tell me that ByWater's office doesn't have a round door
17:58 brendan we're working on our hobbit hole
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17:58 drulm The auto change feature in 3.2 for status change is going to be well liked - although can be scripted now
17:58 brendan you need to speak elfish to make it past the security
17:58 chris
17:59 chris one of my favourite slides, what could happen if koha was proprietary
18:00 drulm chris: ouch
18:01 gmcharlt mellon!
18:01 chris brendan:
18:01 brendan heh go nate++
18:01 brendan almost galen
18:01 brendan how to say koha in elfish
18:01 gmcharlt brendan++
18:02 * brendan doesn't know - I have a rfid tag to get in
18:02 brendan this in is great -->[…]0/in/photostream/
18:02 brendan hdl++
18:03 chris   <--- nothing like building a rod for your own back :)
18:03 brendan I like the hands in the pocket approach - I usually talk with my hands too much
18:03 chris thats magnus next to him
18:03 brendan it's better than my native american name -- "eats with hands"
18:04 chris at that table there was france, norway, us, fiji, nz and south africa
18:05 brendan #look at the grinning fool
18:05 chris heh
18:05 chris she does take good photos
18:05 chris right time to feed the kids
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18:06 drulm OK, progress on a koha mapping project - & working on a Javascript shelf selector to allow Koha admins to put multiple different shelf markers on a map - and animate automatically without creating 50 animated Gifs
18:06 drulm Here is a video demo link:[…]bb2d-e5c2970c689c
18:07 drulm Started working on it, but got too caught up in the grant PC project (we landed 50 new PCs for patrons - big grant) took lots of time
18:07 drulm Questions? Comments? :)
18:07 brendan pretty cool drulm
18:08 brendan I'd have to play with it to get you any useful comments
18:09 drulm It is coming. NEU library in Turkey did this 3 years ago, but made a different custom animated gif for *each* location - So I want to make a rectangle selector to allow a library to quickly create location mapsby just showing where the shelves are and then animate the rectangles overlayed on the map
18:09 brendan yeah that sounds to be more useful - than the NEU method
18:10 drulm A collection of 50 locations could be done in an afternoon for a library with only a few maps - using the javascript library, there could even be selectable animations since they are so easy to do- librarians like choices!
18:12 drulm Here is NEU grand:[…]ha/ (click a barcode) - the current stuff I coded can do that now, but only if I want to manually create about 80 animated gifs or flash -
18:12 drulm OK, back to werk
18:19 brendan @wunder 93117
18:19 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 20.2�C (11:31 AM PDT on October 26, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Steady). Wind Advisory in effect until 9 PM PDT this evening...
18:19 jcamins @wunder 11105
18:20 munin jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 22.5�C (2:30 PM EDT on October 26, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Falling).
18:20 brendan ah a late start to kohacon today
18:20 brendan 10:30 NZ time
18:27 * chris_n learns how to use lynx and irssi :-)
18:27 jcamins chris_n++ # for learning super-useful tools
18:30 chris brendan: I'm going in now anyway to work on branching stuff with biblibre to get it ready for qa
18:31 brendan sweet
18:31 brendan catch you in a bit than
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18:36 chris Farasat has awesome commitment
18:36 chris He's finally made it to wellington, started travelling on Friday!!
18:37 brendan oh man
18:37 jcamins Wow!
18:37 chris Stupid australian transit visas again
18:37 jcamins Did Olugbenga make it?
18:37 chris Nope :( but he skyped in
18:37 chris Was a great presentation
18:38 chris Kohacon in nigeria within the next 10 years he says :)
18:38 jcamins Yeah, I heard.
18:39 jcamins I wasn't sure if he was Skyping from Nigeria or Singapore (was it Singapore he was trying to transit through?).
18:39 chris The airline wouldn't refund him, so to go through singapore would have been another 5k us
18:40 jcamins Well, so much for my optimistic next question - "did they at least give him a refund?"
18:41 chris we are going to try and get him the transit visa, keep pushing there
18:41 chris And then he can use the ticket and we run a mini conf
18:41 jcamins Oh, that makes sense.
18:43 chris Be a shame to waste the money
18:44 jcamins It certainly would be.
18:46 jcamins chris: I'm not sure this is clear from my commit messages, but -- in case anyone wants to poke at the easy cataloging interface -- the fix for bug 5311 is needed for the interface to correctly populate the language selector.
18:46 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5311 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Language dropdown in advanced search broken?
18:46 chris jcamins: your simple cataloguing interface met with lots of approval
18:46 chris The idea of it anywya
18:46 chris In my preso
18:47 chris Ahh cool thanks
18:47 jcamins I'm glad people like the idea.
18:47 jcamins It is certainly necessary for me.
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18:47 hdl jcamins: is there a demo somwhere ?
18:47 jcamins hdl: not one that works, because I haven't made it authenticate properly.
18:48 jcamins There's a mock-up here:[…]
18:48 hdl jcamins: Do you have that on a repo ?
18:48 jcamins Of course!
18:48 jcamins[…]simple_cataloging
18:49 jcamins hdl: if you (or someone else from BibLibre) would check that my fix for Bug 5311 doesn't break anything for French UNIMARC Koha libraries, I'd be very grateful.
18:50 hdl is it based on pianohacker's work ?
18:50 hdl I will try and test that tomorrow
18:50 jcamins Thank you!
18:50 jcamins No, I actually started from scratch, so that I wouldn't be mindlessly copying things that weren't relevant just because I didn't understand them.
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18:51 jcamins It's also written using Template::Toolkit because I figured if I was going to learn a templating system, I should learn the new one, not the old one. ;)
18:52 chris Nice!
18:52 chris Ok my stop bbiab
18:53 chris_n TT++
18:53 chris_n jcamins++ #for using it
18:53 jcamins I also redid the authority control bit, since the code we already had was tightly coupled to the addbiblio user interface.
18:53 jcamins tightly_coupled_logic_and_ui--
18:54 chris_n MVC_framworks++
18:55 jcamins MVC_frameworks++ # because chris_n is absolutely right
18:56 jcamins I'm not sure what people will think of my AJAX-y authority control, but that was the easiest way I could come up with to make it work.
18:56 jcamins And that's what code review is for.
18:57 hdl thx jcamins
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19:12 jcamins Okay, time to head downtown for a meeting before I head back uptown for another meeting.
19:12 * jcamins adds "invent teleporter device" to his to-do list
19:12 jcamins Good night, #koha
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19:19 chris back
19:19 chris found farasat, had a chat got his presentation loaded, hes now off to have a look at te papa
19:21 brendan wb chris
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19:28 richard hi
19:29 chris hi richard
19:29 richard hiya chris
19:29 richard good day for the visitors
19:30 brendan hey richard
19:30 richard hi brendan
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20:25 slef I will get out of my room at some point. zzzz
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21:04 * brendan feels like a little kid - "has kohacon started but up again - yet?"
21:05 brendan tired of waiting ;)
21:06 sekjal late start today
21:06 sekjal we're all gathering, chatting and firing up the equipment
21:09 brendan heya sekajl
21:09 brendan whoops sekjal
21:10 hdl hi brendan
21:11 brendan heya hdl
21:11 brendan you all have some success with chris
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21:16 cait good morning #koha :)
21:16 sekjal morning, cait!
21:17 brendan morning cait
21:18 cait morning brendan
21:18 * brendan feels like he's the only one present who's not at #kohacon
21:18 wizzyrea_ hey peeps
21:18 * cait waves to liz
21:18 cait spud better?
21:19 wizzyrea_ yea I think he's feeling better
21:20 cait good :)
21:20 hdl brendan we miss you :)
21:20 brendan awwhh thanks :)
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21:24 brendan heya bankhead
21:25 brendan there's another one who I know is not in NZ bankhead++
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21:25 brendan heya nengard
21:25 nengard hiya
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21:25 chilts morning all :)
21:26 bengard morning
21:26 brendan heya bengard
21:26 bengard how are you?
21:27 brendan doing alright - tired of waiting for all you kohaians to wake up
21:27 bengard heh
21:27 bengard I could sleep more
21:27 nengard bengard's second coffee spilled all over :(
21:27 bengard I got a large sized long black from the coffee shop, then took a sip, then proceeded to drop the whole thing before getting any more
21:28 brendan actually all you kohirrim (likes the sound of that more)
21:29 bengard that conjures up images of a bunch of librarians on horses, listening to other librarians on horses speak
21:29 brendan bengard - worry that's suxy
21:29 bengard indeed
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21:44 slef everyone else on wifi cafenet ok?
21:44 * slef can't connect again :-(
21:44 cait had some problems to get in, but it's ok now
21:44 cait turned wifi off/on and it worked
21:45 slef I'll reboot my phone...
21:45 slef biab
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21:56 chris heh
21:56 slef heh, I can't type either
21:56 braedon|h slef: this wifi issue is becoming a habit - did you byte your tongue again?
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21:58 slef braedon: I'm using the least upgradable foss os in the room I think.
21:58 braedon which one?
21:59 slef symbian
21:59 slef aha! I have wifi!
21:59 cait grats :)
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22:01 slef ta-da!
22:01 slef but still... multinetwork++
22:01 braedon ahh, symbian, the almost dead mobile os
22:02 slef yeah, I still can't believe how badly the foundation is screwing it up
22:02 slef what was their peak market share? >60%
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22:10 slef call me stupid, but I didn't realise the presenter mic was wireless
22:11 slef I'm not used to using a mic for a lecture, as you can probably tell
22:17 chilts that was a pretty cool talk ... amazing how much use Koha has in other countries and also amazing not having known much about it before (speaking personally)
22:17 chilts use=people using it rather than use=features :D
22:17 wizzyrea_ Koha seems to meet many people's needs
22:18 wizzyrea_ and it's nice to feel like you can actually help libraries around the world while also helping yourself
22:18 wizzyrea_ a lot of times libraries get caught in the "local trap"
22:18 wizzyrea_ especially when using proprietary software... they don't think bigger than themselves
22:18 wizzyrea_ but koha lets them do that
22:19 wizzyrea_ or encourages it anyway
22:21 chris yup
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22:22 chilts wizzyrea_: too true :)
22:23 chilts amazing what people can do given the starting point :)
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22:24 slef so lunch for 1h10 now?
22:24 cait who is going for lunch?
22:26 chris me me me
22:26 cait yay
22:26 cait :)
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22:28 yhager not sure why, but apache stopped running koha perl files for some reason. I upgraded from 3.2rc to 3.2, and it worked, but after apache restart, it didn't
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22:43 slef arghhhh
22:44 slef anyone find exxample trademark mutual recognition agreements online anywhere?
22:44 slef don't really want to call lawyers but guess I should
22:55 slef think this one will do
22:56 slef will rewrite it after lunch
22:56 slef put right names in and so on
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23:45 slef hihi
23:46 chris slef: ill tell don off for forgetting you
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23:52 slef chris: par for the course...
23:53 slef why does the coveritlive say we're in standby mode?
23:53 chris cos i havent logged into it today, will fix
23:54 slef ok nm
23:54 slef didn't know if that = broken
23:54 slef coveritlive_jargon--
23:54 chris yeah
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23:55 slef yo magnus !
23:55 magnus yo slef!
23:56 slef not crit, but did he just say she ended up as a library?
23:56 chris heh
23:56 slef or is my hearing buggy?
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