IRC log for #koha, 2010-10-18

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00:00 jcamins Missing mappings in the language_rfc4646_to_iso639 table.
00:01 * jcamins goes to update his bug
00:14 jcamins Will we still be using CGI when we switch to Template::Toolkit?
00:14 jcamins (
00:15 jcamins Or is there a different web server interface thing we'll be using?
00:15 chris nope still using that
00:15 jcamins Okay.
00:15 jcamins How was lunch?
00:15 * chris gets back from lunch and ice cream with the rea's
00:15 chris very fun
00:18 jcamins Hm.
00:19 * jcamins thinks he needs a tutorial on using CGI with Template::Toolkit.
00:20 chris well, the plan is replace C4::Output
00:20 chris so it does the headers etc for you
00:20 chris for now
00:20 chris my $cgi = new CGI; or CGI->new();
00:20 chris whatever you like
00:21 chris print $cgi->header();
00:21 chris then output the template
00:21 cait hm ice cream
00:22 jcamins Okay, this is progress.
00:22 jcamins :)
00:24 robin ice cream is always progress
00:25 jcamins How do you read from a POST?
00:25 chris same was as a get
00:26 chris my $input = $cgi->param('some_variable');
00:26 jcamins Oh.
00:26 chris unless you are talking about a file upload?
00:26 * cait peeks at jcamins's screen cuiously
00:26 jcamins Nope, that's what I meant.
00:26 chris cool, yeah just like a get
00:27 darling photo 1 of pre-con festivities --
00:27 jcamins Mmm. Ice cream.
00:28 cait yeah
00:28 chris if you tag that kohacon10 the website will pick it up :)
00:28 chris in the photos there
00:28 cait chris: how many people registered for the conference?
00:29 chris 107
00:29 cait ah
00:29 cait is registration still open?
00:29 cait ah, no
00:29 chris just closed it
00:29 cait reading the page right now :)
00:30 chris if someone emails .. we can let them in tho ;)
00:30 chris
00:30 chris bit of activity today
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00:31 jcamins Yay!! I successfully inserted the title into the page!
00:32 chris yay!!
00:32 chris good start :)
00:32 cait :)
00:32 jcamins (it's the little things... and this is my first real accomplishment on this project)
00:32 cait jcamins: you learn now and can teach me later? :)
00:32 cait ;)
00:33 * jcamins thinks it would probably be wrong to have <input value="[% date %]"/>... or is that okay?
00:33 chris thats ok
00:33 jcamins Cool.
00:33 * wizzyrea_ is safe back at the hotel... very fun lunch with chris, robin and reed
00:33 robin It's just string subst, like with the other thingamie
00:34 chris but you probably want a type and name too :)
00:34 wizzyrea_ and killer ice cream
00:34 chris wizzyrea_: good to hear you made it back
00:35 jcamins The tutorial doesn't mention that there is more than one argument to [%
00:36 robin jcamins: there are no arguments to [% per se
00:36 robin you just put stuff in there, and it outputs the result, if any
00:37 jcamins So how do I specify a type?
00:37 jcamins Oh, wait, never mind.
00:37 jcamins I see what chris was saying.
00:37 * jcamins is apparently feeling way too literal today.
00:37 jcamins Yes, my input has a type and a name.
00:37 chris [% something | filter %]
00:38 chris [% variable | html %]
00:38 chris etc, is useful when outputting to a page
00:38 chris then it escapes the html for you (if you want to do that)
00:38 jcamins Ah. I see.
00:39 chris[…]nual/Filters.html
00:39 chris handy list of hte builtin filters you can use
00:39 chris now, what you can do is make a new filter
00:39 chris marc
00:40 chris [% marc_record | marc %]
00:40 chris that would be pretty sweet :)
00:40 jcamins Wow, that would be cool.
00:41 chris it sure would
00:41 chris and would be a cpanable module too i imagine
00:42 wizzyrea_ ooOOoo
00:42 chris how about [% marc_record | dublin_core %]
00:42 chris :)
00:42 jcamins How about jcamins figures out how to make his page do something other than populate the title box? ;)
00:42 chris :-)
00:46 jcamins Ooh! I made it pass all the parameters back to the template!
00:49 cait jcamins: now I want to start to program something too...
00:49 jcamins But how do you choose something from a dropdown menu?
00:50 chris set the chosen one?
00:51 jcamins Yes, but I'm not getting the values from the database yet, so how do I set the default when the page loads based on what was previously selected?
00:51 cait selected="selected"?
00:51 jcamins cait: you should! But not tonight, isn't it 0100?
00:51 chris yup
00:51 cait not sure what you want to do
00:52 cait 3:02
00:52 cait :)
00:52 cait I am on vacation, adjusting to nz time ;)
00:52 chris [% FOREACH variable IN array %]
00:53 chris [%IF somecondition %]
00:53 jcamins Oh, yeah, that makes sense.
00:53 chris selected="selected">
00:53 chris in code that actually works :)
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00:58 darling jcamins, sounds like what you want to do would better be handled at the jquery layer -- unless you're just having a play around
00:59 jcamins darling: I'm making a mock-up of my simple catalog interface.
00:59 jcamins However, I think I might use jQuery anyway.
00:59 jcamins After all, it's not like I actually know how to use jQuery, either...
00:59 chris hehe
00:59 darling
00:59 darling ^ is slightly out of date but helped me a lot
01:00 jcamins Thanks.
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01:03 cait hmpf
01:03 cait had to restart access point
01:05 chris i think thats a sign to sleep :-)
01:05 cait hm soon
01:06 jcamins darling++ # 'cause it only took a few minutes to implement in jQuery
01:07 chris :)
01:09 darling sweet - it's the ice cream, keeps my brain cool and useful
01:09 wizzyrea_ ^.^
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01:13 cait chris: perhas you are right
01:14 chris :)
01:16 * cait is looking at the hotel with street view
01:17 chris heh
01:17 jcamins Okay, what am I missing here?
01:17 * robin probably saw it from the street today :)
01:18 jcamins Oh. To set a parameter with cgi you do $cgi->param('language','eng').
01:18 cait robin: hmpf ;)
01:19 robin cait: whilst eating ice cream with darling, chris, and wizzyrea_ et al. :)
01:19 cait hm, don't think so, my hotel is in auckland ;)
01:19 wizzyrea_ cait: I can't wait for you to get here
01:19 cait me too :)
01:19 robin ah, then not so likely. But, you aren't commuting from there to the conference, I hope :)
01:19 robin it's a 12 hour train ride, after all :)
01:20 cait robin: doing the road trip before the conference
01:20 wizzyrea_ how did I miss the fact that there was a train from auckland to wellington?
01:20 cait so if I don't get lost during that, I will be there
01:21 darling wizzyrea_, it's not very direct, but is worth doing
01:21 robin wizzyrea_: because the plane takes about 1 hour, the train about 12 :)
01:21 robin it's more of a tourist trip than a serious method of travel
01:21 robin still good though.
01:22 robin especially if you're a tourist :)
01:22 darling i plan to be a tourist
01:22 chris wizzyrea_: if you want to visit cait when she gets to her hotel
01:22 chris 4 mins :)
01:23 chris actually 6 cos its uphill, 4 for her to visit you :)
01:23 darling pink and I have decided to visit 10 semi-random cities in NZ in the next year
01:23 cait where are you staying liz?
01:24 robin darling: I find just getting in a car along with a tent and sleeping bag is quite fun.
01:24 cait chris: do you know the bus station I have to get out? the maps are confusing me a bit right now
01:25 chris to your hotel?
01:25 chris ill find it
01:25 chris whats the name of it again?
01:25 cait best western
01:25 cait I thought you perhaps had already looked it up
01:25 chris president eh?
01:25 wizzyrea_ cait: right now I"m at the Quest Wellington
01:26 wizzyrea_ but will be at the conference hotel next week
01:26 darling robin, jan and I are too fragile for that
01:26 cait ah, west plaza?
01:26 darling (yeah, I know -- oops, wrong country..)
01:26 chris cait:   if ( $marcflavour eq "MARC21" ) {
01:26 chris lol
01:26 cait ?
01:26 chris thats not what i meant to paste
01:27 wizzyrea_ yea, westplaza
01:27 cait ok, so I am not that tired ;)
01:27 chris
01:27 chris stop 7053
01:27 gmcharlt chris: hotel assignment by MARC flavor?  that seems a little extreme
01:27 cait cool
01:27 chris gmcharlt: least it wasnt dewey, id get sued
01:27 cait not sure I have seen that option on our maps
01:28 chris its pretty cool
01:34 jcamins[…]
01:34 jcamins (no login required because it has nothing to do with Koha at the moment)
01:34 chris ill buy that for a dollar
01:35 chris (10 points if you know what movie that is from)
01:38 braedon robocop?
01:38 jcamins I didn't know before I Googled it.
01:38 * braedon cheated too
01:39 * cait wonders why her submit button has a german label
01:39 braedon is cait german?
01:40 * braedon is out of ideas otherwise
01:40 cait lol
01:40 jcamins Because I didn't put any label attribute in.
01:40 cait ah, a browser thing
01:40 robin cait: yeah, in English it's 'Submit', in Nederlands 'Query Verzenden'...I think it's what the browser does if no text is provided.
01:42 cait jcamins: I really like the idea, our libraries would love it for fast cataloging
01:42 jcamins Oh, chris is here!
01:42 cait we have the fast add framework, but it's still very confusing for them
01:42 chris yeah, lots of corporates and special libraries would love it too
01:42 jcamins chris: wouldn't this be a great place to use MARC-keyword mappings?
01:42 chris it certainly would
01:43 jcamins That's how I think I want to do it.
01:44 jcamins Have keywords for "Author," "Title," etc.
01:45 jcamins Because otherwise the MARC21 and UNIMARC will just have to duplicate code like in the COinS function.
01:45 chris yup
01:46 jcamins I think I prefer having a single box for Title, and parsing it on ISBD punctuation, because more often than not, I think, this would be used to only enter the subfield $a.
01:46 braedon jcamins: wait, weren't you just talking to chris just before?
01:47 jcamins braedon: yes, I was. That was an "oh, I should take advantage of this because tomorrow morning he'll be asleep if he has any sense at all" moment.
01:47 braedon lol, kk
01:48 cait sleep?
01:48 * cait looks a bit confused at jcamins
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01:52 wizzyrea_ chris: btw, I giggled inside a little when we were in the library: issues and fees, indeed. ;)
01:53 chris :)
01:53 chris yeah if you want to check out you go to a grocery store
01:53 wizzyrea_ ^^ verified as truth
01:53 wizzyrea_ or a hotel
01:53 chris yup ;)
01:55 cait ok, time to sleep :)
01:56 chris sleep well
01:56 cait more packing, laundry and planning later today :)
01:56 jcamins Good night.
01:56 chris 1 more day?
01:56 cait yeah, my trip will start tomorrow now
01:56 cait hm scary :)
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01:57 jcamins Hm, keywords don't support fixed fields.
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02:06 jcamins Figures that UNIMARC and MARC21 put the language code at different offsets in their respective fixed fields.
02:07 chris :)
02:08 jcamins I think probably I'll need to modify the authority chooser to allow the user to choose which type of authority.
02:08 jcamins Because adding radio buttons to the author and subject fields would be ugly and confusing.
02:08 chris hmm true
02:09 jcamins Which means I have to figure out where the heck that authority chooser is.
02:09 chris you're on your own there
02:10 jcamins What, you don't know off the top of your head where it's hidden?
02:11 chris nope
02:11 chris somewhere under cataloguing/
02:11 chris is my guess
02:12 jcamins Nope.
02:12 jcamins authorities/
02:12 jcamins Which is also kind of logical, if you think about it.
02:15 jcamins Shouldn't be too hard to change it to support choosing an auth type.
02:15 rich-away is now known as richard
02:15 gmcharlt jcamins: is this for your simplified interface?  why not have it tell the authority finder what the appropriate heading type to look for is?
02:17 jcamins gmcharlt: I don't like the idea of having a radio button for "corporate author," "personal author," or "meeting author."
02:17 gmcharlt ah, I see - perhaps have it search all three at once?
02:17 gmcharlt and whatever the user picks, select 100, 110, or 111 accordingly?
02:18 jcamins If I understand how the searches work correctly, it can only search one at a time, which means the user has to choose.
02:19 gmcharlt it's just a matter of having the search do the equvalent of auth_type=personal or auth_type=corporate or auth_type=meeting
02:19 jcamins Of course, that might not be an absolute requirement... certainly I like your idea a lot better.
02:19 gmcharlt instead of just auth_type = foo
02:20 jcamins I think I'll do that instead.
02:20 * jcamins changes his TODO list.
02:24 jcamins And, on that note, I think it's bed time.
02:24 jcamins Good night, #koha
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02:59 Amit heya chris
03:00 chris heya Amit
03:00 wizzyrea_ hey amit
03:00 Amit heya wizzyrea_
03:00 Amit chris: Next month India vs NZ series
03:01 chris have you seen how we are playing??
03:01 chris we will lose horribly
03:01 Amit yup
03:01 Amit against Bangladesh
03:01 Amit hmm
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05:45 CGI133 hello
05:45 CGI133 I am new here
05:45 CGI133 how are you guys
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05:55 indradg good morning #koha :)
06:15 chris hi indradg
06:16 indradg chris, heya! was there a small quake yesterday / today in NZ?
06:16 * indradg thinks he saw something in friend's tweet from Christchurch
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06:25 magnus g'day #koha - D-1 - yay!
06:33 chris indradg: there have been lots since the big one
06:33 indradg i see
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06:40 chris
06:43 magnus cool visualisation
06:45 magnus is christchurch generally the most active region, or is it just a coincidence that they are getting it now?
06:46 chris nope, it pretty much never gets earthquakes
06:46 chris wellington is far more active
06:46 chris but it had one big 7
06:46 chris and then tons and tons of aftershocks
06:47 magnus yeah, about 2000 according to the map
06:47 magnus but the ones in wellington are usually smaller?
06:51 chris well we had a big one in 1840
06:51 chris and are about due another one
06:51 chris we sit on 3 fault lines
06:53 magnus oops...
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07:16 chris magnus:[…]arthquakes/Videos
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07:42 magnus chris: cool and crazy!
07:43 magnus "New Zealand - naturally disastrous" - not the perfect slogan for tourism, perhaps? ;-)
07:55 chris hehe
07:56 * chris wonders how wizzyrea's dinner with jransom is going
07:57 larsw magnus, depends on the target audience -- I have friends who track active volcanoes and would visit each one if their spouses would let them
07:58 chris they went to
07:58 chris heya larsw
07:59 larsw hi, chris
07:59 chris hows the haggis today?
07:59 larsw is the kohacon now on?
07:59 chris next week
07:59 magnus larsw: yeah people have different priorities - i know some people come here to experience storms and "bad weather" ;-)
07:59 chris ndf is on now, thats why jo is in town and wizzyrea and her family are sightseeing before the conference
07:59 magnus ndf?
08:00 magnus national digital...?
08:00 chris[…]10Conference.aspx
08:00 larsw chris, ah, cool
08:00 larsw Helsinki is also cool. perhaps even cold.
08:01 magnus helsinki is always cool! ;-)
08:01 larsw it is sometimes uncomfortably hot, too
08:01 chris ohhh you are in helsinki, thats right
08:02 larsw until tomorrow only
08:02 magnus i like helsinki - it's a bit like oslo, only on a bigger scale
08:04 chris i must warn wizzyrea about this
08:04 chris[…]-item.php?id=4179
08:06 magnus that's the kind of thing it's good to know about in advance, yeah! ;-)
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08:18 chris did you get any sleep cait ? :)
08:19 cait not sure
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08:19 cait but I woke up before my alarm clock
08:23 cait hm free wifi on the airport flyer bus?
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08:26 chris in wellington yep
08:26 chris[…]airport-flyer.php
08:28 magnus hiya cait
08:28 cait I think I will take the bus... :)
08:28 cait hi magnus!
08:31 magnus to bad if the free wifi is only ni wellington...
08:34 magnus s/ni/in/
08:34 magnus (the knights who say "ni")
08:35 cait ah, right...
08:36 cait magnus: when do you leave?
08:36 magnus but i'll take the bus anyway, unless the weather is really foul
08:36 magnus i leave from home at about 0600 tomorrow morning, and you?
08:39 cait I will leave at 1400
08:39 cait 1 hour train ride to airport
08:45 magnus i have 12 minutes by car to the airport...
08:52 cait hmpf :)
08:52 cait no, first bus to the main station (15 minutes) and after that 1 hour by train
08:54 bigbrovar Bonjour everyone
08:55 cait hi bigbrovar
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09:02 magnus hi bigbrovar
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09:23 paul_p D-1
09:24 cait :)
09:25 cait when are you leaving paul_?
09:25 cait ah, you arrive at 22nd right?
09:25 slef I see the French government say there is no air fuel shortage.
09:25 slef hi all
09:25 paul_p cait, We (hdl & me) leave tomorrow. 5PM Marseille, Amsterdam, Kuala Lumpur
09:26 paul_p slef, yes, but fortunatly, I won't go through Paris (not Air France, but klm)
09:26 cait ah, not much later than me, flight leaves 1930
09:26 cait but you arrive later?
09:26 paul_p I just checked this morning, & Marseille <=> Amsterdam is OK
09:26 slef Who could get to redirect to for now?
09:27 paul_p cait, we stay 30hours in Kuala Lumpur
09:27 cait oh
09:27 slef Also, I just tried to send a message through the website contact form and I can't tell if it was sent or not.
09:27 paul_p much easier to deal with jet lag when having a good night in a good bed in a good hotel ;-)
09:27 slef paul_p: won't that give you just enough time to overcome jetlag and then you get more jetlag?
09:27 magnus paul_p: good thinking!
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09:28 paul_p slef: kuala-lumpur <=> NZ is just 2 hours more jet lag. I did that when I wen to New-Caledonia (30hours stop in tokyo), it's much better I think
09:28 paul_p and that let you almost 1 day for tourism ;-)
09:29 slef flying is always as bad as I think
09:30 slef I hope no-one is using Air France :)
09:30 cait they sent our suitcases to helsinki...
09:30 chris slef: yeah i got the message
09:31 * cait has some traumatic memories of travelling with air france
09:31 chris forwarded it to kristina
09:31 cait they should have arrived with us in st petersburg, not helsinki
09:31 slef chris: cool. Some feedback on the page would be nice.
09:31 chris yeah, probably wont bother now
09:31 slef cait: that's what they're famous for!
09:34 slef tip: never blink as you hit minimise on a window. It's really disorientating!
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10:46 cait chris: still around?
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11:03 magnus hiya nengard
11:04 nengard Hiya!!  2 days til I leave!!!!!
11:04 cait hi nengard :)
11:04 cait TOMORROW!!
11:04 nengard hi cait!
11:04 nengard :) WOO HOO
11:04 magnus hee hee - in 1 day i have already left!
11:04 * cait is so excited
11:04 nengard does anyone actually feel prepared?
11:04 nengard I'm sure not
11:04 cait poor magnus
11:04 magnus nope
11:04 cait no
11:05 cait lol
11:08 magnus poor me?
11:08 cait yep
11:08 magnus oh
11:08 cait because I am distracting you from work all the time and you are the first person my excited self will meet in nz :)
11:09 magnus hehe, i'm looking forward to that! ;-)
11:10 cait 1 eur = 1.84 nzd
11:12 cait wrong window
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11:30 cait hi jwagner
11:35 jwagner Hi cait -- not left yet?
11:38 slef nengard: No and now I've got a bloody meeting which I'm late for anyway!
11:38 slef bbl
11:39 cait jwagner: no, tomorrow
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11:40 cait my whole apartment is filled with freshly washed wet clothes, suitcases and piles of things I want to take with me
11:41 * jwagner teleports to Germany & hides in cait's suitcase....
11:41 cait yeah, you can hide in the suitcase, druthb chose the hand luggage ;)
11:43 jwagner Either would be more comfy than the office this morning --  there was a plumbing problem on the floor above us, so we have massive (loud) fans trying to dry everything out.  No equipment lost, but a lot of drywall is going to need to be replaced.
11:45 imp yay
11:45 imp did they drill holes into the drywalls to ventilate them?
11:47 jwagner I don't know -- happened over the weekend.  There's a lot of drywall missing from the lower parts of the walls, so I think they just removed it altogether.
11:47 imp sounds like fun ;)
11:47 jwagner And after about half an hour of listening to those fans, I'm already about to scream.  I may head back home and work from there for the duration....
11:49 imp .oO(there's a reason why i carry earplugs in my backpack)
11:50 jwagner I have good headphones, but I don't think they'll help.  One of the fans is about five steps from the door of my office :-(
11:58 cait ok, have to do some last minute errands - ttyl :)
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12:00 magnus jwagner: ouch!
12:01 jwagner magnus, yes, it's a big mess....
12:01 jwagner But there's a reason they put equipment up on racks :-)
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12:02 * jwagner warns everyone who thinks it's a good idea to put computers and other equipment on the floor -- it's not!
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12:05 nengard hey owen
12:05 owen Hi nengard
12:05 owen Hi #koha
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12:29 brendan morning
12:29 kmkale hi all
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13:04 brendan @wunder 93117
13:04 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.9�C (6:15 AM PDT on October 18, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Steady).
13:05 magnus @wunder bodo norway
13:05 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 9.0�C (2:50 PM CEST on October 18, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.15 in 987 hPa (Steady).
13:05 magnus @wunder wellington nz
13:05 munin magnus: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (2:00 AM NZDT on October 19, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
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13:10 jcamins Good morning, #koha
13:12 brendan morning jcamins
13:14 owen jcamins++ # for pointing out on list that corporate and independent entities are already collaborating on Koha quite well
13:17 jcamins owen: yeah, I just find the whole idea that we don't work together baffling.
13:19 owen I think it's more likely that PTFS doesn't want to give anything away unless their interests are protected in a way that makes sense to their corporate brains
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13:27 kmkale owen re bug 4440 some of the invalid markups are in the "reverse" link. Should I go ahead and correct these too?
13:27 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4440 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED, Adding feature to print fines/fees receipts
13:27 owen kmkale: I'd say yes
13:28 kmkale ok.
13:29 jcamins Good morning, sekjal
13:30 sekjal morning, jcamins!
13:31 jcamins Did I correctly understand from your Twitter post that UMass gives away staplers?
13:31 kmkale there are still two errors 1) Line 201, Column 37: there is no attribute "autocomplete" 2) Line 417, Column 7: document type does not allow element "tfoot" here both not in my patch..
13:31 sekjal jcamins: the Library did, as part of the university's Open House event.  mini-staplers, mini highlighters, bags and candy
13:32 sekjal (in addition to, you know, information)
13:32 * jcamins is very jealous... all he got from his alma mater was a lousy piece of paper
13:32 owen kmkale: You can always ignore the "autocomplete" error.
13:32 kmkale owen: ok. what about the tfoot one?
13:33 owen <tfoot> is supposed to come right after <thead> in your markup. I know that seems wrong, but that's what the standard says.
13:37 kmkale owen: its there before my patch. should I let it be or move the whole tfoot section right after <thead>?
13:38 kmkale humph there is no <thead> in boraccount.tmpl atleast
13:39 kmkale so I guess just let it be..
13:39 owen The validation errors can be treated as a separate bug, as long as you're not introducing new errors
13:40 kmkale ok.
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13:46 sekjal jcamins++ (I'm catching up on the listserv posts)
13:49 jcamins Wow, I think those messages were good for my karma.
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14:15 nengard So did you all see the comment by the library student who's professor told her that Koha isn't an ILS??
14:15 nengard I'm waiting to hear back on why the professor thinks that
14:16 owen Maybe it doesn't cost enough
14:16 jcamins Heh.
14:16 jcamins nengard: by the way,[…]
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14:17 nengard jcamins cool :) - take a look at the form on LibraryThing and Open Library also - to get ideas
14:17 jcamins Good idea.
14:18 indradg jcamins, its serious business, in India AICTE which affiliates all technical education in India actually doesn't count s/w which does not come with paper licenses, EULA and purchase receipts as s/w :(
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14:18 jcamins That was me figuring out how to use Template::Toolkit.
14:18 jcamins indradg: That's absurd!
14:18 drulm yo
14:19 * jcamins looks at LibraryThing and Open Library
14:20 jcamins Ooh, the LibraryThing interface is snazzy.
14:20 indradg jcamins, thats a sad fact of life that we are lobbying against
14:21 drulm on librarything's website? or something new in Koha?
14:21 jcamins On LT's website.
14:21 drulm thx
14:21 indradg jcamins, your "patch" would be highly welcome one aming a lot of people I know here
14:21 jcamins An imitation by yours truly will follow... eventually.
14:22 indradg among*
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14:22 indradg people that the MARC21 interface is keeping away :)
14:22 Oak \o
14:22 jcamins indradg: I need to have an initial version by the end of next weekend, so it will hopefully be available for testing next week.
14:22 jcamins Well, certainly it will be available for testing.
14:23 jcamins Hopefully it will *work*.
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14:33 jcamins I see LibraryThing has separate boxes for Main and Added entries.
14:41 nengard I think that Open Library does too
14:42 nengard not on the initial add form:
14:42 nengard but on the form after you click 'add'
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14:44 jcamins Ah.
14:44 * jcamins will check that... he thought that title, author, publisher, and date were the only options.
14:44 kmkale does sending a mail via git send-email to add the patch to the[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4440 page? Or do I have to add a comment and attachment there separately?
14:44 munin Bug 4440: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED, Adding feature to print fines/fees receipts
14:45 jcamins You need to attach it separately.
14:45 kmkale ok.
14:49 jcamins The JavaScript look-up is nifty, but I don't think that is within my immediate capability.
14:50 kmkale Done. owen may I request you to have a look whenever you have time?
14:50 owen Sure kmkale
14:50 kmkale thanks owen
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14:57 kmkale bye all
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15:59 cait hi magnus
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16:05 munin yhager: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
16:06 magnus try the zip code?
16:07 cait @wunder Konstanz
16:07 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 7.4�C (6:18 PM CEST on October 18, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1019.9 hPa (Steady).
16:07 cait @wunder Auckland
16:07 munin cait: The current temperature in Auckland, New Zealand is 9.0�C (5:00 AM NZDT on October 19, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
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16:26 paul_p bye everybody. Next time i'll write on this channel, it will be from New Zealand :D :D
16:26 slef wow - bye paul_p
16:26 jcamins Bye, paul_p.
16:26 owen Happy travels paul_p
16:26 jcamins Have a safe trip.
16:26 cait bye paul
16:26 slef safe journey!
16:26 cait save travel
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16:27 slef lazy paul_p, not working from airports? ;-)
16:27 cait :)
16:27 cait I should start packing...
16:27 slef start!?!?
16:27 slef I should finish work...
16:27 slef back from meeting... not a complete waste of time, but not a great time for me to be there
16:28 cait slef: I have piles of things lying around
16:28 cait but nothing has made it into the suitcase yet
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17:16 chris @wunder wellington,nz
17:16 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (6:00 AM NZDT on October 19, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
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17:16 jcamins Good morning, chris.
17:17 chris[…]-nz-colour-latest
17:17 chris high working its way towards us ...yay!
17:17 chris heya jcamins
17:18 cait hi chris and jcamisn
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17:23 joetho when connecting to my Koha server SIP2 service, the thirdparty application doesn't ask for a user- just a SIP2 password. This doesn't seem compatible with koha- or am I all wrong?
17:25 joetho to clarify, I am referring to the configuration of my thirdparty application. That configuration asks for server location, port #, dbname, and password. No user.
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17:27 chris that doesnt sound compatible with SIP2
17:27 chris you can connect without a username and password, but afaict the standard doesnt allow for connection with a password but no user
17:28 chris is it just using some hardcoded user when it actually connects?
17:28 joetho that's what I think too
17:29 joetho this application doesn't have a really great track record.
17:30 joetho and yes, hardcoded user is what it looks like it expects, and I need to know which hardcoded user that would be.
17:30 joetho thanks chris
17:31 slef joetho: you could run netcat or socat listening on the SIP2 port and try to imitate a SIP2 server :)
17:31 chris :)
17:31 joetho Liz is now Liznz!
17:31 chris yup, had lunch with her yesterday, and thatcher and spud
17:31 chris and she had dinner with jransom
17:32 jcamins May I just state, if a 80- or 90-something-year-old patron can walk into the library and figure out how to use the Koha OPAC when I tell him he needs to use that instead of the card catalog, I think that indicates that Koha is doing something right.
17:32 slef oh yeah - anyone want to go for dinner after conference days? Or sort that out when we're there?
17:32 slef biab
17:33 chris joetho:!/wizzyrea/status/27719420192
17:33 joetho hmmm. thanks slef (re sip2 pw), but I think the answer lies somehere in my application.
17:33 nengard slef no plans here - i figure i'll plan it all when i'm there
17:33 chris slef: im sure people would be keen
17:33 chris my idea was write stuff here
17:33 chris[…]n10_Social_Events
17:34 chris that seems to work pretty well for linuxconf
17:34 cait no plans, but I would like to
17:34 chris jcamins: thats awesome!
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17:35 cait travelling alone, so I am happy about company :)
17:35 brendan seeing everyone getting ready to go to NZ - is really hitting home - I want to go
17:38 owen Tell me about it
17:38 brendan owen++ #just because
17:40 joetho Leavin, on a jet plane.
17:40 * chris_n wishes there was underwriting for live streaming of kohacon
17:40 joetho Big ol jet airliner.
17:41 joetho Steam powered aeroplane.
17:41 joetho Silver wings.
17:41 joetho Sigh.
17:42 joetho well I am verrrrry pleased that Kansas has sent someone, and what a great representative we have sent.
17:42 joetho Plus, she got to take her nanny.
17:42 joetho whoops I mean her husband
17:45 cait joetho: you are confusing me
17:49 cait but that's easy today :)
17:49 cait are you talking about liz?
17:49 jcamins cait: joetho was joking that Mr. wizzyrea is in NZ to take care of Baby wizzyrea ;)
17:52 cait ok
18:01 tcohen hi, how can I efectively delete several biblios from a koha install?
18:02 jcamins tcohen: Record->Delete Record?
18:02 jcamins Or do you mean you have a lot to delete?
18:02 tcohen yes, but I have a lot
18:02 tcohen exactly
18:02 jcamins Ah.
18:03 tcohen for example every record whose itemtype is "SER"
18:03 slef chris_n: aren't we live streaming? (does the venue have wifi?)
18:03 jcamins tcohen: I think there's probably an obvious way, but I'm not sure what it is.
18:04 slef and if it has wifi, will I upset them streaming video out? :)
18:04 tcohen I can read the koha code for that, just asking jic someone has "the proper way of doing it"
18:04 tcohen just in mind
18:04 slef I've got something really odd going on - I can't POST web forms.
18:04 nengard slef it sounds like wifi might be iffy
18:05 tcohen is it ok to: (1) save a list of biblionumbers from biblioitems (2) delete them, (3) delete those biblionumbers from 'biblio' ?
18:06 slef nengard: oic. FWIW I have one phone setup to broadcast to and I know there's another phone I could ask to use.
18:06 cait I think the problem is histories and items
18:07 slef sorry,
18:07 cait tcohen: check for existing items too and in old issues etc. perhaps better move them to deleted_...?
18:07 cait and rebuild index
18:08 tcohen I have 2k registers I need to delete, they can be catched with a WHERE clause over biblioitems
18:08 chris_n slef: I think it is a cost-of-bandwidth issue iirc
18:09 * chris_n impatiently waits for 11.6 million lines of logs to process
18:11 tcohen cait: thank, i'll see haw can I do it
18:11 chris We should have wifi, but yeah saturating it won't make ppl happy
18:12 chris International transit is the kicker
18:12 chris If you could stream to an nz box, that repeated it
18:13 chris That might be workable
18:13 chris We do plan to professionally record it all
18:13 chris To dv
18:14 chris Which we'll burn to dvd for ppl to take back to offer for download in their countries
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18:15 * chris_n will look forward to digesting it afterwards
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18:16 * jcamins , too
18:19 * jcamins wonders, sometimes, whether normalizing his authorities isn't a fool's errand
18:20 jcamins Hm. Don't hit Shift-Enter when you're using the auth_finder.
18:21 cait did it explode?
18:22 slef chris: cool. I'll ask BR if he can collect a DVD off me at the airport, and/or should we host a torrent tracker?  We used to do that for some things. Not sure if we still have the service up.
18:23 jcamins cait: yeah.
18:23 jcamins It opened up a new window for the results, and then when I tried choosing an authority, a bunch more windows opened up, and nothing happened.
18:23 jcamins I guess it wasn't that exciting.
18:24 chris That might work slef
18:24 * cait offers jcamins a lebkuchen
18:24 chris Reed is trying to get some 2degrees sponsorship,/its pretty unlikely tho
18:25 slef probably someone ( hosts community torrent trackers these days
18:25 chris Luckily
18:25 chris We have someone from openlibrary ie
18:25 chris Presenting
18:25 chris So we can ask her :)
18:26 slef nah, I'll ask the lazyweb now ;-)
18:26 chris :)
18:26 chris Ok time to catch my bus
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18:31 leo hi to everybody!
18:32 cait hi leo
18:33 leo i'm having problems with the authorities search when adding a new item (I run the & the don't merge OFF)
18:33 leo i mean i have authorities but koha don't find them
18:36 jcamins leo: Koha doesn't find any of your authorities, or just not new authorities?
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18:37 leo doesn´t find any
18:37 leo in marc100
18:37 leo Personal name
18:38 jcamins Does it find when you try to authorize 650s?
18:38 * chris clocks in from the bus
18:39 leo jcamins where I can find it?
18:40 chris And are using zebra?
18:40 jcamins leo: in the cataloguing module. I meant, are you able to authorize Topical terms?
18:40 leo yes
18:41 leo ah ok just gime me a second
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18:53 leo the search in the topical items doesn´t work too
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18:55 chris And you indexed the authorities eh?
18:55 chris Oh and what version of koha?
18:57 leo 3.00.06
18:58 leo i m running only the -v-r-a-b
18:58 leo with a cron
18:58 leo sorry rebuild
18:59 chris My stop bbiab
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19:25 richard hi
19:27 chris hi richard
19:30 richard hey chris
19:38 cait jcamins++
19:39 chris have you packed yet cait ?
19:39 jcamins cait: gee, thanks, what did I do?
19:39 cait blog
19:39 cait ironing
19:39 cait hm. swap.
19:40 jcamins Oh, right. Someone on one of my cataloging mailing lists said "I really want to use Koha, but I don't know anything about Linux," so I thought it was time to finish up the blog post.
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19:49 jcamins I also need to write my posts on Git, maybe Vim, patches/diff, Perl, XSLT, HTML/CSS/JavaScript, SQL, Zebra/Z39.50/Bib-1/CQL/PQF, MARC, and maybe IRC.
19:49 chris heh
19:50 chris if you can explain MARC in one post
19:50 chris you're a hero!
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19:50 jcamins chris: oh, no, my goal is just to provide a convenient reading list.
19:51 chris ahhh :)
19:51 jwagner MARC: an intensely complex metadata standard designed to confuse everyone in the world except hardcore catalogers who can't see what the problem is.
19:51 * jwagner notes that some of my best friends are hardcore catalogers
19:52 jcamins MARC: an elegantly simple metadata standard ruined by unfair requirements that it describe real works and not hypothetical perfect works.
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20:06 * magnus all packed and ready to go
20:06 chris :)
20:07 brendan man - what brilliant librarians idea was it - to charge fines (personally I can't stand fines)
20:07 chris im betting it wasnt a librarian
20:07 chris but some accountant
20:07 brendan ok I should adjust my statement - charging fines is so bunk
20:08 chris you can basically trace all the worlds problems back to accountants
20:08 chris :-)
20:09 * magnus wishes everyone a good night or other time of the day of their choice - see some of y'all real soon now!
20:09 chris cya magnus :) safe travels
20:10 magnus thanks
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20:13 cait ah, now I missed magnus
20:14 chris you'll see him on the plane?
20:14 chris or not until nz?
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20:15 cait in the hotel in nz
20:15 chris ahh
20:15 cait he arrives some hours before me
20:15 cait at the hotel...
20:15 cait in?
20:15 chris at
20:16 cait thx
20:17 jcamins Interesting fact (unrelated to prepositions): when you search for "aat" in the authorities on the Staff Client, it returns records with "at."
20:18 jcamins "att" does not.
20:18 chris yeah i think its doing left truncation
20:19 jcamins Is it supposed to do that?
20:20 chris well we told it too ... but im not sure why ;)
20:21 * jcamins shrugs - well, it won't search $7 no matter what I do.
20:21 chris you've changed the zebra files and reindexed eh?
20:21 jcamins No, I thought it did by default, and I have confirmed it doesn't.
20:22 chris ah right
20:22 jcamins I shall have to consider whether I care that much.
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20:33 munin cait: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (9:00 AM NZDT on October 19, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
20:34 cait @wunder auckland nz
20:34 munin cait: The current temperature in Auckland, New Zealand is 14.0�C (9:00 AM NZDT on October 19, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
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20:34 moodaepo @wunder 56001
20:34 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 12.8�C (3:45 PM CDT on October 18, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.11 in 985.7 hPa (Falling).
20:35 * moodaepo might not be in Wellington but got close enough with the weather.
20:36 chris heh
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20:38 jcamins Time to set the type for my wedding announcements!
20:38 jcamins Good night, #koha
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20:38 cait good night jcamins
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20:45 brendan @wunder 93117
20:45 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.9�C (1:57 PM PDT on October 18, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Falling).
20:57 slef back
20:58 slef hrm, TV claims French short-haul flights disrupted tomorrow. Hope paul_p and hdl are OK.
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21:19 mib_kggqy hey guys, i'm getting the following error when trying to check an item out that i have on hold
21:19 mib_kggqy koha version is latest git
21:20 chris hmm, and you have a branch set?
21:20 mib_kggqy chris: yep, i only have one branch though
21:21 chris i wonder if that might be it, do you have single branch mode switched on?
21:23 mib_kggqy chris: i have it set to "allow patrons to select their branch.."
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21:24 chris hmm, so not that then
21:24 chris and it only happens if the item has a hold on it?
21:25 mib_kggqy chris: no it happens when i try to check out anything
21:27 chris hmm, well i have 4 libraries running it in production, and they would have killed me by now if that was happening to them .. so we now just have to figure out what is different :)
21:27 chris items have a home and current location set for them?
21:28 chris (it uses the branchcode of either the item or the one you have set in circulation, to decide on the issuing period)
21:28 chris im guessing that somewhere its not getting a branchcode
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21:30 mib_kggqy well
21:30 mib_kggqy current location and permanent location are set
21:31 chris im guessing maybe borrower then
21:31 mib_kggqy but if i view the item in admin , the home library field under item information is blank
21:31 chris ahhh that'd do
21:31 chris it
21:31 mib_kggqy is there a marc field for this?
21:31 chris thats permanent location
21:31 chris does that branch exist?
21:32 chris ie in the branch set up, is there one that matches the code that is in permanent location?
21:32 mib_kggqy yes, that was the problem
21:33 mib_kggqy i guess since there was only one value for the option field, it was showing by default my single library
21:33 chris ahh
21:33 chris cool
21:33 mib_kggqy i just clicked edit and save and then it was showing a value for the home library field
21:33 chris sweet
21:33 chris and now you can issue it?
21:33 mib_kggqy yep
21:34 chris yay!
21:34 chris glad it was something simple like that
21:34 mib_kggqy yeah, thanks for the help!
21:35 chris no worries
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21:56 slef argh! hackfest!
21:56 * slef checks details
21:57 chris ?
21:57 slef "More details will be availble as we get closer to the time"
21:57 slef erm, a bit running out of time
21:57 chris yeah like 2 mins before
21:57 slef like, are there computers there?
21:57 chris 3-day developer conference, 29 October - 31 October
21:57 chris some
21:58 chris but if you have a laptop, id bring it
21:58 slef The battery connector is dodgy. Will there be power there?
21:58 chris yes
21:59 chris its at catalyst
21:59 slef ok... I think battery capacity sucks anyway
21:59 robin slef: assuming you have an NZ power adaptor
21:59 slef robin: we have world power adaptors!
21:59 robin then you're sorted :)
21:59 chris we will be using the training room, which has laptops, but its always more productive on your own machine
21:59 slef AUS/NZ bent pin thingy
22:00 slef looks decidedly unsafe
22:00 slef you need some nice chunky rectangular pins
22:00 robin the pins aren't bent, just rotated :)
22:00 slef chris: you don't know how often I nuke that machine ;-)
22:01 slef ok, I'll probably decide this depending on how much cabin baggage space/weight I have left :)
22:01 robin slef: also make sure that it won't explode in a ball of flaming laptop if it gets exposed to real voltage :)
22:01 chris :)
22:01 slef robin: I thought you celebrated guy fawkes too?
22:02 robin ah, you're UK. I assumed you were in the US for some reason.
22:02 robin as you were then
22:03 slef oh are you 220v?
22:04 robin 230-240 or something like that
22:04 slef I think we're nominally 220, often 230-240
22:04 slef yay for EU fudging
22:05 robin The UPS nearby is reporting 233 at the moment
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22:16 slef NZ power supply is 10A?  wimpy
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22:26 robin slef: that's the standard, yeah.
22:26 robin It's more that's what things are rated for, unless they have a need for more.
22:27 slef robin: so I'm expecting less powerful hairdryers and slower kettles.
22:28 robin I'm not sure, but 2.4kW sounds like a lot for a hairdryer.
22:30 chris another biggish quake in christchurch
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22:32 robin On the "how down is geonet" earthquake scale, it must be fairly severe.
22:32 chris 6 is what im hearing
22:33 chris[…]ums/mqz-drum.html
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22:37 robin GNS hasn't said yet how strong it is (according to Stuff,) but the boxes on the map look like 6 or more.
22:37 chris yup
22:38 slef :-/
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22:39 cait :(
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22:40 chris ahh, gns are saying 5
22:40 chris thats a lot better than 6 :)
22:40 robin ah right
22:40 chris[…]uakes/latest.html
22:41 chris actually no, that might be one before it
22:41 chris[…]ums/mqz-drum.html
22:42 chris oh no, thats it it 11.32am .. cool
22:43 robin and the next article on stuff is "Demolition of one of Christchurch's most famous buildings, Manchester Courts, is underway."
22:43 robin I guess that's going easier than they expected
22:43 chris he
22:43 chris h
22:43 chris[…]hits-Christchurch  5.0 it is
22:43 slef unfortunately, the demolition machinery is also demolished, but you can't have everything

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