IRC log for #koha, 2010-10-17

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01:27 chris jransom++
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01:34 wasabi !phb
01:34 phb [To Catbert] Sometimes the only point of a meeting is to remind me how much I hate them all.  (id: 17)
01:35 chris heh
01:35 wasabi my dilbert quote generator bot...
01:35 chris nice
01:35 wasabi
01:36 wasabi well, currently its just got phb quotes loaded...
01:36 wasabi !phb 6
01:36 phb Alice, I care about you... but only enough to improve your morale, not enough to be illegal in any possible way. So, tell me about your health, in the least specific way possible.  (id: 6)
01:38 chris wasabi++
01:38 chris brilliant email
01:39 chris ed hadnt even read the report properly :)
01:41 cait1 which list is wasabi's mail?
01:41 cait1 can't access my email account right now
01:42 chris the main koha list
01:42 chris[…]tober/025698.html
01:42 cait1 thd
01:42 cait1 thx
01:45 wasabi c&p's pledge reminds us that being a good Koha citizen/vendor is easy, after all
01:46 chris if you need to do another email
01:46 chris equinox have a good one too
01:47 chris[…]-equinox-promise/
01:49 wasabi oooh,[…]-you-want-to-see/
01:49 wasabi thats a new one for me..
01:54 jcamins_a is now known as jcamins
01:55 jcamins Hello.
01:55 jcamins Can I give wasabi karma for an awesome e-mail, even though he mentions me?
01:56 wasabi you may... ;)
01:56 jcamins wasabi++ # awesome e-mail
01:56 wasabi !phb
01:56 phb The three pillars of our pyramid are communication, integrity and teamwork.  (id: 8)
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02:02 cait1 good night all :)
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02:07 chris poor wizzyrea
02:07 chris landed today, in this pants weather
02:07 chris @wunder wellington nz
02:07 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (3:00 PM NZDT on October 17, 2010). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.30 in 992 hPa (Falling).
02:08 chris man, now i want to install archlinux just to try yhager's package
02:08 chris yhager++
02:08 jcamins Yeah, poor... wait... wizzyrea is in New Zealand.
02:08 * jcamins is having trouble feeling *really* sorry for her
02:10 chris hehe
02:10 chris its pretty foul today
02:10 chris hopefully tomorrow will be nicer
02:12 * chris got utterly soakes spending 5 hours at the kids school fair
02:12 chris but we did raise a bunch of money so thats good
02:16 yhager chris: :) I love arch, but I know it is not very popular
02:17 jcamins yhager: actually, everyone other than me on my other IRC channel uses Arch. I just told them to go install Koha.
02:19 chris jcamins:!/wizzyrea/status/27597458373
02:21 jcamins chris: I'm pretty blase about scary landings after flying from Kabul to Moscow via Baku. :P
02:22 jcamins Though I'll grant that it would be a lot worse with a little one.
02:23 jcamins (interestingly, although I'm blase about the landings, I can't stand being in the air)
02:23 chris we have some good landings
02:24 chris[…]0&feature=related
02:27 jcamins Wow... that looks exactly like my landing in Baku felt.
02:29 chris short runway
02:29 chris that gets crosswinds
02:29 chris fun and games :)
02:30 * jcamins reconsiders NZ briefly, but decides he still wants to go
02:30 jcamins And on that note, it's time to get some sleep so I can write a simplified cataloging interface tomorrow.
02:30 jcamins Good night, #koha.
02:31 jcamins is now known as jcamins_a
02:31 chris gnite
02:31 jcamins_a Actually, before I leave... chris, I don't suppose you have any screenshots of the pre-MARC Koha interface?
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02:39 chris hmmm yes i think i do
02:39 chris lemme look
02:40 chris[…].php?g2_itemId=25
02:41 jcamins_a Cool, thanks.
02:42 chris[…]hp?g2_itemId=5923
02:42 chris thats 1.x something
02:42 chris moving items between groups
02:42 chris we had biblio->group->item
02:42 chris ide
02:42 chris a
02:42 chris which kinda asploded with MARC :)
02:43 jcamins_a Yeah, I can see how it might.
02:44 jcamins_a By the way, DSC00194 may be the cutest picture ever.
02:44 * jcamins_a heads off to actually go to sleep this time
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03:20 alpocr someone speaks Spanish?
03:21 alpocr I have a problem to install Koha...
03:21 alpocr system says "production mode - trapped fatal error" in my browser
03:21 alpocr What I can do ?
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05:02 chris reed: 2degrees is a good idea
05:02 chris and i wonder why ed c is so inistent on picking a fight
05:03 chris and why cant i spell
05:03 * chris wanders off again
05:14 reed chris, hey
05:15 reed cool, I'll drop them a note unless we know anybody who knows them
05:15 reed how many attendees? how many non-nz?
05:16 reed and re mail fights - yeah, something to do I reckon
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05:19 Oak \o
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08:51 chris hmm it appears iphone software breaks threads pretty well
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11:16 cait hi #koha
11:50 slef hi
12:05 cait hi slef :)
14:15 jcamins_a is now known as jcamins
14:15 jcamins Good morning, #koha
14:16 cait hi jcamins :)
14:20 Oak Good night #koha
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15:09 * jcamins needs to get started working on a simplified cataloging interface
15:27 cait @wunder Konstanz
15:27 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 7.1�C (5:38 PM CEST on October 17, 2010). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Steady).
15:32 jcamins cait: you used Ubuntu 10.10?
15:32 cait yes
15:33 cait reminds me
15:33 cait I have to set up the connection to my public repo
15:34 jcamins I guess I should probably upgrade.
15:34 jcamins I wonder what version of Ubuntu I have.
15:34 cait so far it worked ok
15:35 cait I installed it from git, didn't use the packages
15:35 jcamins Yeah, I'll be installing from git, too.
15:36 jcamins 9.10.
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15:39 * jcamins sighs
15:39 jcamins This is going to take forever.
15:40 cait cookie?
15:40 cait *shares some chocolate chip cookies with jcamins to shorten the wait*
15:40 jcamins :)
15:42 jcamins It says you shouldn't run an upgrade under SSH.
15:44 jcamins It doesn't say anything about not upgrading under screen.
15:51 jcamins I think I'll bake some bread while I'm waiting.
15:52 jcamins is now known as jcamins_b
15:57 cait hm bread
16:29 jcamins_b is now known as jcamins
16:29 jcamins First rise underway.
16:32 jcamins Hm.
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16:33 chris ohh attacking galen on the public lists
16:33 chris ptfs--
16:34 jcamins Well, there's why they feel we need a foundation.
16:34 chris the release took a while cos liblime went spastic half way through it, way to take responsibility amy
16:35 chris i see 1/ as a valid reason, the rest a foundation is not needed for
16:36 chris and in fact the rest are all unenforcable, and show a misunderstanding of how free software works
16:36 jcamins Oh, I wasn't addressing the validity of the reasons, just saying, "there they are."
16:37 chris ah well, that was my last email on the thread, im over it now
16:37 chris exactly 1 week to kohacon :)
16:37 jcamins Lucky.
16:38 jcamins Did you see the video of the Brooklyn Space Program launch?
16:38 jcamins Nothing to do with Koha, but incredibly cool.
16:39 jcamins And dizzying.
16:39 chris :)
16:39 indradg chris, pm?
16:39 chris anytime indradg :)
16:39 jcamins chris: You should do this with your kids![…]id_send_ipho.html
16:39 cait hi chris
16:39 chris cept not with an iphone :)
16:39 jcamins Well, no.
16:39 indradg hi cait
16:40 jcamins Open source all the way.
16:40 cait hi indradg :)
16:40 * cait checking the mailing list now
16:40 * indradg is happy that the big, fat holiday season is almost over
16:41 chris jcamins: it is a great idea though :)
16:41 chris hiya cait .... 2 days to go?
16:41 jcamins I want to do that with my kid, and I don't even want kids.
16:41 cait yeah
16:42 cait doing laundry now and gathering things on my table
16:42 chris was real rainy yesterday and last night
16:42 chris you can ask wizzyrea :)
16:43 cait I envy her
16:43 cait have you met for lunch?
16:43 * jcamins does too
16:43 chris the weather is supposed to be nicer by the end of the week
16:43 chris cait: today hopefully
16:43 * indradg really missing attending KohaCon this year... :(
16:43 chris she only arrived yesterday afternoon, and i was at a school fair
16:44 chris but ill sneak out from work for lunch
16:44 chris well, wont sneak out, dont need to, but will go out for lunch hehe
16:44 indradg lol
16:45 cait :)
16:45 cait can't I skip the travel part and just wake up at nz tomorrow?
16:46 cait hmpf. we really need beamers
16:47 chris hehe
16:48 jcamins chris: can HLT not steward property?
16:49 chris yup
16:49 chris they were voted to do just that
16:49 jcamins Okay, that was a terribly worded question on my part.
16:49 chris being a registered charitable trust, its incredibly hard for them to break their charter, so they are a good steward
16:50 jcamins Am I correct in believing that HLT can legally steward community property?
16:50 jcamins Okay, that's what I thought.
16:50 chris yus you are correct
16:50 jcamins Excellent.
16:55 chris the strange thing to me
16:55 chris is an idea that a foundation can magically provide 'governance'
16:55 cait every time I hear we need governance I feel a bit sick
16:56 chris yeah me too
16:56 chris i hear 'I want to be in charge'
16:56 chris whenever i hear that
16:56 cait I hear barriers
16:56 cait rules
16:57 indradg jcamins, being from India, and sharing similar jurisprudence structures... i can concur that reg charitable trust would have to be "reborn" to override their MoA and bylaws
16:58 cait making
16:59 chris cait: yup, rules that are unenforcable, but by existing provide barriers
16:59 cait yep
16:59 cait thx, was fighting for words :)
17:00 chris :)
17:00 chris if you look at ohloh
17:00 cait I like the every person 1 vote
17:00 chris me too
17:00 indradg +1
17:00 chris no special favours
17:00 chris i agree with slef on that totall
17:00 chris y
17:02 chris
17:02 chris that second factoid
17:02 chris that tells me we are already very inclusive and all i can see by adding a bunch of rules is we would lose that
17:03 chris  direct link
17:04 slef cait++ beamers
17:05 slef and please don't cite ohloh on the list, else I might reopen the liblime-relabelling-commit-authors period ;-)
17:05 chris heh
17:05 cait ok, it's perhas a good idea not to ask? ;)
17:05 chris they actually did that?
17:06 slef Yeah, just before liblime went silent. I did look for an example a few days ago, but I gave up. Much better that I get on reconciling with 3.0.x
17:07 chris ah well
17:07 slef I think it was if a patch was in the BTS and not emailed but I could be wrong.
17:07 chris[…]ster/authors.html
17:07 slef So probably incompetence rather than malice, but still...
17:09 slef I suspect you can find a mailing list post with me whinging about it if you look hard enough (might have been koha-manage when that was still live), but it was from a time when I was whinging far too much (I blame forker's pain) so it might be very hard.
17:09 gmcharlt chris: would appreciate testing of the patch I just pushed for 3164
17:09 slef bbl
17:10 * chris looks
17:10 slef (I'm packing. Not going well.)
17:10 cait gmcharlt++
17:10 chris slef: layers!
17:10 chris and a rainproof jacket :)
17:10 * cait is listening to the washing machine
17:10 chris ohh cool
17:10 cait does that count as packing too?
17:11 chris i cant recall who was talking about that here
17:11 cait me
17:11 chris but thats easy to test
17:11 cait probably, if you are talking about the bug :)
17:11 * chris goes to look now
17:11 cait it's one of the top of my list, breaking an existing feature
17:12 chris ahh the old trailing slash
17:12 chris good spotting
17:13 munin New commit(s) kohagit: bug 3164: fix OPAC holds in SingleBranchMode <[…]fc29efa9ce27f7336>
17:18 chris switching to singlebranchmode now
17:20 hudsonbot Starting build 72 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:20 chris oh i cant place a hold cos i owe $46
17:21 gmcharlt good to know that the patch didn't break patron blocks ;)
17:21 cait :)
17:22 chris right, cant place hold get the error, rebasing now
17:22 cait chris++
17:22 chris and now it works
17:23 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4472 Fix handling for UNIMARC intranet XSL <[…]f83d7ae4c5004ed43>
17:23 chris i now have a hold on http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]pl?biblionumber=1
17:23 chris gmcharlt: works just fine
17:23 chris ill mark the bug resolved fixed eh?
17:23 gmcharlt cool
17:27 slef chris: your spring is like our spring, eh?
17:27 slef chris: I forget - do I need full arctic gear?
17:28 hudsonbot Project Koha build (72): SUCCESS in 8 min 8 sec:
17:28 hudsonbot Galen Charlton: bug 3164: fix OPAC holds in SingleBranchMode
17:28 jcamins Second rise underway.
17:28 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3164 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, OPAC-placed holds broken in SingleBranchMode
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17:29 gmcharlt slef: is there a bug number associated with your enh_bulkmarcimport pull request?
17:29 chris slef: wind/water proof jacket is the main thing
17:30 chris its very changable, cos of the geography, it can start out gorgeous end up windy and rainy
17:30 chris so i always tell people to bring things they can layer, take some off, put it back on :)
17:30 cait but I think too warm for arctic gear?
17:30 chris oh yeah
17:30 chris even in winter :)
17:30 chris @wunder wellington,nz
17:30 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0�C (6:00 AM NZDT on October 18, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.39 in 995 hPa (Steady).
17:30 slef gmcharlt: no.
17:31 slef gmcharlt: I intend to label them bug_N if there is.
17:31 gmcharlt slef: ok, thanks
17:31 chris  <-- has a long range forecast
17:31 slef gmcharlt: or whatever else I'm told :)
17:31 chris bug_xxx works fine
17:31 chris and if you wanted to just create a bug where one doesnt exist, that is more than fine too
17:32 slef chris: can I create bugs by email?
17:32 chris in theory yes
17:33 chris slef: but i forget the email address
17:33 gmcharlt chris: note the new for-3.4/enh_bulkmarcimport branch; stuff named like that are things that I'm recommending for early merging into 3.4
17:33 chris ill dig it up at when im at work
17:33 chris awesome
17:33 chris ill ask qa to check em first
17:33 slef chris: ok. I'm going to bring my co-op windproof.
17:34 slef but not the thick fleece.
17:34 chris slef: what size are you?
17:34 slef small but tall
17:34 chris in terms of cycling gear
17:34 slef I usually wear my everyday clothes.
17:34 slef so I dunno really.
17:35 chris catalyst has a cycle team .. complete with a jacket that has moodle, mahara, lots of other stuff and koha logo's on it :)
17:35 slef hehehe
17:35 slef tempting
17:35 hudsonbot Starting build 73 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:35 slef bbl, more coffee reqd
17:35 chris one of our directors, paul is a mad keen cyclist
17:36 chris!/paulwaite
17:43 hudsonbot Project Koha build (73): SUCCESS in 7 min 51 sec:
17:43 hudsonbot Fr??d??ric Demians: Bug 4472 Fix &nbsp; handling for UNIMARC intranet XSL
17:43 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4472 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW, img tags in xslt broken after automatic translation
17:43 chris heh, hudsonbot cant handle utf8 apparently
17:50 chris right time to start the day
17:50 chris bbiab
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18:03 gmcharlt hi wizzyrea_
18:03 gmcharlt in NZ by now?
18:03 brendan morning all
18:03 wizzyrea_ good morning! I am :)
18:04 * jcamins is very jealous
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18:12 jcamins Should I upgrade to Ubuntu 10.10 on the computer I'm about to install Koha on for development purposes, or is 10.04 good enough?
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18:18 chris heya wizzyrea_
18:18 chris looks like slightly nicer day today
18:18 chris 10.04 is good enough
18:19 jcamins Woohoo!
18:19 brendan wizzyrea_ that's awesome you're in NZ
18:19 brendan @wunder 93117
18:19 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.3�C (11:27 AM PDT on October 17, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Steady).
18:20 jcamins @wunder 11105
18:20 munin jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 21.0�C (2:31 PM EDT on October 17, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1007.3 hPa (Falling).
18:20 brendan heya jcamins
18:20 chris jcamins++ #good email
18:21 jcamins Hi brendan.
18:21 wizzyrea_ :) supposed to clear off in the afternoon
18:21 wizzyrea_ or at least not rain
18:22 chris yeah, dont count on it :)
18:22 chris i reckon its more an indoors than outdoors day :( whatcha got planned?
18:24 wizzyrea_ te papa and area, I think
18:24 chris good idea
18:25 chris i can thoroughly recommend the musuem of city and sea too
18:25 wizzyrea_ we went to the library yesterday ( we got in before our room was ready, we asked the girl at the desk where to go, she said "the library's just around the corner, not glam..." and we were like "perfect!"
18:25 chris if its dry enough to walk along the waterfront to it from te papa
18:25 wizzyrea_ yea, we did drowned rat yesterday
18:25 wizzyrea_ :)
18:26 * wizzyrea_ saw lots of umbrella victims
18:26 chris hehe yeah
18:27 chris they dont work in wellington
18:27 wizzyrea_ I remembered someone
18:27 * wizzyrea_ 's tweet about that
18:27 cait hi wizzyrea :)
18:28 cait I am envious that you are already there :)
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18:34 jcamins Time to set up Koha on my desktop.
18:36 jcamins Hm. ubuntu.packages hasn't been updated.
18:42 jcamins Is there a reason not to just use apt-get-debian-lenny on Ubuntu?
18:43 * jcamins decides to find out
18:44 jcamins Yes. It doesn't work.
18:48 jcamins cait: how did you install Koha under Ubuntu?
18:49 jcamins Did you follow INSTALL.ubuntu?
18:49 cait oh
18:49 cait I followed my own notes mostly
18:49 cait a mixture from the debian and ubuntu installation notes
18:50 jcamins Ah.
18:50 chris Well that was fast
18:50 chris Kahu: I can eat by myself, don't miss your bus daddy
18:50 cait cute :)
18:50 chris And atarau is still asleep
18:51 chris Easy morning
18:52 brendan heh - hoping I have some of those coming ;)
18:53 chris Well its taken nearly 4 years :)
18:54 jcamins Cool, if you remove libzebra-2.0, works.
18:54 hdl D-2
18:55 chris hdl: woot!
18:55 wizzyrea_ jcamins: that's actually really good news
18:55 wizzyrea_ did you put in the apt sources for zebra?
18:56 wizzyrea_ they might be slightly different for ubuntu
18:56 jcamins Nope. Don't have to do that for Ubuntu.
18:56 wizzyrea_ ah then that's why
18:56 chris Or squeeze
18:56 chris In fact its messy if you do
19:02 jcamins HTTP::OAI... is that part of some other package?
19:02 chris Nope
19:02 chris At least I don't think so
19:03 jcamins Okay.
19:03 chris libhttp-oai-perl maybe?
19:03 jcamins By the way, Ubuntu has packages for a bunch of Perl modules.
19:03 jcamins (that Debian doesn't)
19:03 chris Squeeze does
19:04 chris Cos lars and robin packaged them
19:04 chris That's how unbuntu got em
19:04 jcamins Ah.
19:04 jcamins Cool!
19:05 chris And wellington prooves what I was saying
19:05 chris Its now blue skies and sun
19:06 chris Crazy place
19:12 brendan "don't like the weather - wait a minute"  (that's what it was like where I grew up)
19:14 chris :)
19:17 indradg @wunder kolkata
19:17 munin indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 27.0�C (12:50 AM IST on October 18, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 25.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
19:17 chris Ok my stop
19:17 chris Bbiab
19:17 indradg jcamins, nice mail :)
19:18 slef weather here is: "if you can see crook peak, it's about to rain. If you can't see crook peak, it's already raining."
19:21 slef[…]rg.uk_-_43849.jpg
19:24 jcamins Okay, why isn't this workin?
19:24 slef is a better view of it.
19:24 slef jcamins: because it's broken.
19:25 jcamins slef: no, because Koha defaulted to link-local only for koha-httpd.conf.
19:25 slef jcamins: you mean only
19:26 jcamins Right.
19:26 jcamins All fixed.
19:26 slef jcamins: your hostname setup is broken then.
19:26 jcamins Oh. I guess it's not all fixed, then.
19:27 jcamins Any idea how I go about fixing that?
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19:29 richard hi
19:29 slef jcamins: Not sure on ubuntu. I think the underlying problem is something to do with the order of names in your /etc/hosts
19:30 slef jcamins: I'd need to remember what the method I lifted from perlfaq actually did in the installer to figure out your IP address.  What does hostname --fqdn say for you?
19:30 jcamins jcamins-desktop
19:30 slef jcamins: I mean, this is theoretical neatness. If you edit the httpd.conf, it'll work fine until you reinstall.
19:31 slef jcamins: ok, that's not a Fully Qualified Domain Name, so I think something's not right, you see?
19:31 jcamins Oh, I set this up before I had my domain.
19:31 jcamins I'll make it
19:32 slef jcamins: I think it needs to be the first entry for in /etc/hosts but I could be wrong.
19:33 jcamins okay. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
19:33 jcamins I'm sure I can figure it out.
19:33 slef np - this is subtle misconfiguration, but it's the only way the installer can autodetect the primary IP
19:34 slef If you want to install on some other webserver IP, do export WEBSERVER_IP= or whatever before running Makefile.PL
19:34 jcamins Oh, I think I see what the problem is.
19:34 jcamins When I installed VirtualBox, I configured a separate loopback interface.
19:38 jcamins All fixed.
19:43 jcamins Yay! I now have a working Koha installation.
19:44 chris back
19:45 jcamins Oh, stupid. No wonder things don't look quite right.
19:45 * jcamins forgot to change branches
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19:48 jcamins Cool, it's possible to check out my rebased branch directly off of my other server.
19:49 jcamins ... is that considered a bad idea?
19:50 slef indradg: thanks for the email message. I smiled when reading it.
19:50 slef bbl
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20:08 chris documentation_patches++
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20:08 chris up late magnus
20:09 magnus chris: yup
20:09 magnus well, it|s just 10.20 pm
20:09 jcamins chris: any idea if "libtemplate-perl" is Template::Toolkit?
20:10 chris
20:10 gmcharlt jcamins: aptitude show libtemplate-perl
20:10 hdl chris hi
20:10 gmcharlt says yes
20:10 chris yup
20:10 chris i cheat and munge urls
20:10 jcamins Cool, thanks.
20:11 chris heya hdl
20:11 hdl documentation list, why not,
20:11 chris yeah, makes sense eh
20:11 hdl But should patches be different from koha-patches ?
20:11 hdl A simple different tag could be enough.
20:11 indradg is now known as indradg|Z
20:11 chris i think they will get a bit lost on koha-patches
20:12 gmcharlt hdl: up to preference of the doc manager, but I'd prefer that they go to a separate list rather than to one person
20:12 chris and people who want to do docs, might not want to subscribe to that
20:12 chris koha-patches is quite high traffic, which is great :)
20:12 * indradg|Z goes off to sleep...all the best to everyone now in NZ or getting there :)
20:12 chris night indradg|Z
20:12 hdl see you indradg|Z
20:13 hdl I didn't mean it to be directly sent to nicole.
20:13 hdl But maybe to koha-patches.
20:13 hdl But yes, it is high traffic.
20:14 chris and ppl who send doc patches might be happier just subscriber to a list just about docs (including patches)
20:14 hdl ok.
20:14 wizzyrea_ I bet nicole is ecstatic that people are contributing patches to the manual
20:14 chris hey, go sightseeing!
20:14 gmcharlt since both discussion of docs and doc patches are currently low traffic
20:15 wizzyrea_ we are, we came home for breakfast (went to the market, then came home to eat, because we forgot spud's blue blankie and he was a mess without it)
20:15 gmcharlt having a koha-docs list whose remit includes patches would be my recommendation
20:15 hdl @later tell nengard please, tell me which name you want for your koha-documentation list.
20:15 munin hdl: The operation succeeded.
20:15 gmcharlt if tens or hundreds of doc patches start getting sent monthly, then a separate list could be spun off
20:15 * jcamins feels very daunted by Template::Toolkit
20:15 jcamins hdl: nengard just replied.
20:15 chris wizzyrea_: ahh good :) so you were about 1 block away from my work when you were at the market
20:15 hdl @later tell nengard and we'll setthat up
20:15 munin hdl: The operation succeeded.
20:16 darling jcamins, Template::Toolkit is really a bit of fun once you get it set up
20:16 gmcharlt jcamins: fear not - Template::Toolkit is actually a lot easier to use in practice than the initial documnetation might imply
20:16 chris jcamins: its actually not that bad at all, ill tell ya what, ill teach cait at teh dev conference
20:16 wizzyrea_ !!!
20:16 chris and she can teach you
20:16 jcamins Fair enough.
20:16 hdl koha-docs then
20:16 cait yay :)
20:16 cait ok, what will you teach me?
20:16 chris how template toolkit isnt scary
20:16 wizzyrea_ hey, teach me too, because I've always wanted to know
20:17 cait ok :)
20:17 jcamins I guess that means I should start on the other aspect of my simple cataloging interface...
20:17 * cait takes a note
20:17 chris oh and wizzyrea_ :)
20:17 cait to remind you ;)
20:17 chris jcamins: we have a student working on a script to convert html::template to template::toolkit
20:17 chris so dont let the change stop you working on that
20:17 jcamins chris: I know, but I have no idea how to use either, so I might as well start on the new one, right?
20:18 chris its true :)
20:18 magnus chris: i'll take a piece of that too, if i may ;-)
20:19 chris its a deal!
20:19 chris i might make darling teach you !
20:19 darling[…]tutorial/Web.html
20:20 * magnus has fiddled a bit with TT before, but nothing big
20:20 darling we use it for
20:20 cait |Lupin| wrote me he really likes Template Toolkit and that it's much better than what we use now :)
20:21 darling we cache the heck out of it tho
20:21 chris which we will be able to do some of, at least lots of component caching
20:22 darling wizzyrea_, you really should get outside, try spotting penguins in the harbour (I never seen one there but everyone else has)
20:24 jcamins Is it my imagination, or is creating a new page on the Wiki completely non-intuitive?
20:24 * wizzyrea_ headed out now, see y'all later :)
20:24 wizzyrea_ I had the same prob jcamins
20:24 chris cya in 2.5 hours
20:24 jcamins Enjoy the penguins!
20:25 magnus new page: create a link to it or search for it?
20:26 jcamins Yeah, but if I hadn't been told that, I don't think I would've been able to figure it out.
20:26 magnus how do you think it should work then? ;-)
20:26 jcamins I think there should be a "New page" button.
20:28 magnus i guess the idea is that you should create pages by creating links to them, that way there are no orphans... but then again my brain has adapted to mediawiki big time
20:29 jcamins Then there should be a note on *every page* to tell you to create a link if you want to add a page.
20:30 magnus :-)
20:33 jcamins Does anyone object to ASCIIart UI mockups?
20:34 jcamins (in RFCs)
20:35 magnus g'night #koha - see some of you soon!
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20:35 cait good night magnus :)
20:35 cait ah, too slow again
20:39 darling jcamins, I like ascii art for mockups but it does have some drawbacks
20:40 darling my fav mockup drawing tool right now is
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21:15 robin Linux Outlaws 168 has a good bit of a talk on the Software Freedom Conservancy, if anyone is interested.
21:27 darling commie
21:30 robin darling: ☭
21:30 darling yeah ^ that
21:32 jcamins Cool! I didn't know the hammer-and-sickle was part of the Unicode specification.
21:32 darling is there a unicode char for kiwi holding a hammer+sickle and eating a pie?
21:34 robin darling: no. There's this, which isn't anything like that though: ☃
21:34 darling http://www.toothpastefordinner[…]er-and-sickle.gif
21:34 jcamins What is it?
21:34 robin jcamins: it's a snowman
21:35 jcamins Ah.
21:35 darling they're extinct on the north island -- early immigrants used them as snow cones
21:40 jcamins @marc 246
21:40 munin jcamins: A form of the title appearing on different parts of an item or a portion of the title proper, or an alternative form of the title when the form differs significantly from the title contained in field 245. (Repeatable) [a,b,f,g,h,i,n,p,5,6,8]
21:41 jcamins @marc 561
21:41 munin jcamins: A copy-specific field that contains information concerning the ownership and custodial history of the described materials from the time of their creation to the time of their accessioning, including the time at which individual items or group of items were first brought together in their current arrangement or collation. (Repeatable) [a,3,5,6,8]
21:54 * cait hands munin a cookie
21:58 jcamins[…]aloging_interface
21:59 jcamins Did this make it into Harley:[…]_improvements_RFC
22:00 chris harley?
22:01 chris hmm
22:01 chris[…]arley_Integration
22:01 chris dont see it
22:01 chris the rule of thumb for those is
22:01 chris if they were on the wiki .. its 99% they wont be in harley, PTFS did most of harley ebfore they bought liblime
22:02 chris if that is anywhere
22:02 chris its in LEK
22:02 chris any LL rfc that isnt in 3.2 will most likely not be anywhere except LEK
22:02 * chris hopes he has clarified not confused
22:03 jcamins No, it made sense.
22:03 jcamins I guess I won't be salvaging a massively unproductive weekend by rebasing that onto Master.
22:03 chris LEK has never, and if you read the statements around, probably never will have a release
22:03 chris nope
22:04 * jcamins sighs
22:04 jcamins Weekends.
22:04 chris if you wanted to play with rebasing things, after kohacon i can give you a pile :-)
22:05 jcamins Not really, I was just thinking of something useful I could do that would get me closer to a simple cataloging interface after spending an entire day not accomplishing anything.
22:06 chris ahhh
22:06 chris i tell you what i do
22:06 chris and you might have done this already
22:06 chris draw things
22:06 chris on a whiteboard, and take photos
22:06 chris then mockup in simple html the interface
22:07 chris it helps spot things ive missed
22:07 chris and provides a base others can help with too
22:08 chris and it makes me feel productive :-)
22:08 jcamins Perhaps I'll try that.
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22:21 cait chris++ :)
22:21 chris ?
22:21 cait can you teach me (or tell someone to teach me) the workflow with my new public git repo the main repo and my dev isnstall :)
22:21 cait for good advice to jcamins :)
22:21 chris ahh i can certainly show you that
22:22 cait cool :)
22:22 chris im gonna to ask tim, who is the level7 git guru to help
22:22 cait :)
22:23 cait looking at the sentence above... I think it must be getting late
22:24 chris
22:24 chris
22:26 cait looks like he had fun :)
22:27 chris yup
22:27 jcamins I heard he learned how to talk American, too.
22:27 chris hee
22:27 chris[…]12/american-talk/
22:27 chris apparently its very similair to thai :)
22:28 jcamins :)
22:28 jcamins I had no idea.
22:29 cait airport_websites--
22:29 chris heh
22:29 chris which one are you looking up?
22:30 cait zürich and london atm
22:30 chris ahh
22:30 chris heathrow?
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22:30 cait yes
22:30 chris i found it pretty easy to get around, big though
22:31 cait I had problems with heathrow the last time - because I didn't know there was a shuttle something to the other terminal
22:31 chris have never been to zurich airport, been to zurich .. but on the train
22:31 chris ahh yeah, that could be tricky
22:31 jcamins Ah, Heathrow.
22:31 cait I have not much time to find my way between flights this time
22:31 chris cait: the main thing is, dont be scared/nervous to ask people
22:32 cait yep
22:32 chris the worst they can do is not know :)
22:32 chris but usually they are helpful
22:32 cait I promised myself to ask ask ask... ;)
22:33 chris also, lots of airline staff speak lots of languages
22:33 cait but feeling prepared helps to not be so nervous
22:33 chris they usually wear pins on their clothes, with the flags
22:33 cait I learned yesterday slef and his wife can speak German
22:33 chris slef can speak lots
22:33 chris hes a pretty smart guy
22:34 cait :)
22:34 cait they are arriving on 21st too
22:34 chris and now, i must go meet wizzyrea for lunch
22:34 chris ohh excellent
22:34 cait :)
22:34 cait have fun!
22:53 jcamins Why am I getting a 500 error with this new script I created?
22:54 jcamins It has something to do with this weird DocumentRoot.
22:55 jcamins Ah.
22:55 jcamins No it doesn't.
22:58 jcamins Okay, it was because you're supposed to print the Content-type.
23:06 jcamins I should respond to Abdullah-Al-Modabber's query.
23:07 jcamins Seing as how I just did that.
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23:29 jcamins Huh.
23:29 jcamins Has anyone ever *tested* the language dropdown in the advanced search?
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23:44 cait jcamins: no; but I think there is a quite new bug report about it
23:45 cait I think I used jquery to hide it...
23:45 jcamins Well, I didn't see one so I created a new bug.
23:46 jcamins What a mess! No wonder it doesn't seem to work.
23:46 jcamins Lots of the languages don't have any values specified at all!
23:48 cait hm?
23:48 jcamins Wait, what are you doing awake?
23:48 cait you start to sound like chris...
23:48 cait but the "mein gott" is missing :)
23:49 cait I arrived in sydney with my flight reasearch
23:49 jcamins Anyway, you can't limit by Finnish at all, because it just adds "ln,rtdl:" to the query.
23:49 cait oh
23:49 cait but Finnish is in the list? that's odd
23:50 jcamins Yup.
23:51 jcamins And Armenian uses the wrong code (well, there are two codes for Armenian).
23:53 cait *shudders*
23:54 jcamins And French and English both only work because languages like Afrikaans are pretty uncommon in Koha libraries.
23:54 cait hmpf
23:55 cait I forgot to file my enh request about a missing option to limit to serials
23:55 jcamins Wait a minute.
23:55 cait we can limit to all sorts of things, but not to serials
23:55 jcamins What's this?
23:56 jcamins Ah-ha.
23:57 cait hm?
23:57 cait you make me curious!
23:57 jcamins subtag_registry.sql.
23:57 jcamins I have now decided I don't want to know what it is.
23:57 jcamins My new plan is to back away slowly with a soothing expression on my face.
23:57 gmcharlt jcamins: it's an attempt at a language code registry
23:58 gmcharlt C4::Languages is a mess in general; completely replacing it would be a niceness
23:58 * cait nominates jcamins ;)
23:58 gmcharlt the volunteer has been drafted^Wfound
23:58 gmcharlt ;)
23:58 cait I looked at it while working on the German installer, it's really confusing
23:58 * jcamins thinks probably someone who is fluent in languages other than English should be the one doing it.
23:58 jcamins Ooh, I know someone who speaks other languages!
23:59 * jcamins nominates cait
23:59 * cait hides
23:59 cait too slow...
23:59 jcamins But that explains why the dropdown is broken.

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