IRC log for #koha, 2010-08-02

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00:17 robin Information about zebra on debian squeeze:[…]rt.cgi?bug=591307
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04:05 Amit heya chris
04:06 chris hi Amit
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05:00 cait morning #koha
05:05 chris hi cait
05:05 cait hi chris
05:07 cait @wunder Konstanz
05:07 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 18.0�C (7:00 AM CEST on August 02, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
05:07 cait hm, back to rain
05:07 chris @wunder wellington nz
05:07 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0�C (5:00 PM NZST on August 02, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
05:07 chris right, home time
05:07 chris back later
05:07 chris if you can help susan out on the mailing list cait, that would be awesome :-)
05:08 cait I think I can not
05:09 cait not more than you already said
05:09 cait and I m thinking we will really want to switch to a dev install
05:12 robin I'm finding local packages to be quite handy for that kind of thing.
05:13 robin Merge in all the branches you want for the particular package variation, build, deploy.
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05:16 cait robin: chris told me a bit about it and promised to show me at kohacon
05:17 cait not sure he wll manage to show me all the things he wanted to :)
05:17 robin heh yeah, that could be an issue. The guts of the packaging stuff I do is here:[…]g_Debian_Packages
05:18 robin still has a bit of streamlining to do, I'm trying to build a staging system so our QA folks can test things quickly and easily.
05:19 cait cool
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06:30 cait time to go to work, bbl
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07:07 kf morning again #koha
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07:36 chris back
07:37 chris yeah, building the packages isnt too hard, but i didnt want to spring that on susan as well, ideally you have a dev install where you do your development then deploy to production with packages
07:37 chris running a dev install on production is a little dangerous
07:37 chris if you do a git rebase and get conflicts your koha is busted while you fix them
07:38 chris but its a lot better still than having a svn repository
07:53 kf chris: sorry, was afk and now in a meeting
07:54 kf chris: I think we have to think about it a bit more, it depends what it doable for us.
07:58 chris yep, i just always think its better to do it right first, than spend hours/weeks/months cleaning up from when its gone wrong
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08:02 chris hi magnus
08:03 magnus hi chris & #koha
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08:03 magnus chris: thanks for checking out my kohanor-branch! thought it might save us some time later on...
08:04 chris yup, looks all good, it merged cleanly
08:04 wasabi evening all..
08:04 chris hi mason
08:04 wasabi ... just back from the coast
08:05 chris hows things up there?
08:05 wasabi ive resumed work on the dreaded mutli-holds feature again..
08:05 hdl hi chris
08:06 wasabi after a sweet few weeks of productive bib cleaning/re-shuffling
08:06 hdl hi magnus and all
08:06 magnus bonjour hdl
08:06 hdl wasabi: we did some work on that too
08:06 wasabi heya folks
08:07 wasabi w00t, great news hdl
08:07 chris cool
08:08 hdl was committed on our master.
08:08 hdl and pushed
08:08 wasabi to ?
08:08 wasabi ahh, to
08:09 chris might want to pull that off into a branch based off kc/master wasabi
08:09 chris and then merge in your stuffs
08:10 wasabi hdl: ahh, i understand now
08:10 wasabi thank you, i'll take a look tonight!
08:12 wasabi wow! biblibre has a SOLR branch :)
08:12 hdl wasabi: not yet.
08:13 hdl We diverged quite a bit.
08:14 hdl we would have to rebase and re test all the stuff.
08:19 Amit heya wasabi
08:23 wasabi heya amit :)
08:25 wasabi ive been very keen to see SOLR's asian/CJK character-searching in action
08:43 chris[…]program/day1.html
08:43 chris[…]gram/bio.html#lee   kristina has been putting the bios up
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08:50 kf chris: I like the new format
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09:05 kf thinking about migration - can u use the offline circulation format for migration of checkouts? and is the format documented somewhere?
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09:10 chris you'd need to ask kyle
09:11 kf chris: yep, I thought there was documentation on the old wiki, but can not find it
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09:18 magnus kf: yes you can use it for migrating checkouts, i have done it... ;-)
09:18 kf magnus: do you have some documentation?
09:19 kf or an example file?
09:19 kf I read some people used it for migration and I think it would solve a lot of my problems to do it this way
09:20 chris if you find some, please put it on the wiki :)
09:20 magnus here is the script i used:[…]er/tidem/ much of it is about parsing the data (which was in html!!!)
09:22 magnus and i had to convert from biblionumber to item-barcode and patron id to patron barcode
09:23 kf hm an example file perhaps?
09:24 magnus um, what kind of file? input? output?
09:24 kf what you loaded into koha
09:24 kf although chris seems to think I am a developer - Im not good in reading code
09:25 magnus :-)
09:25 kf (and not a developer, but no time to argue about that now)
09:25 magnus an easy way to look at the format is to install one of the offline tools and do some sample "transactions"
09:26 kf if you get it to work
09:26 kf but perhaps the way to go
09:26 magnus can you read this? "$borrowdate\tissue\t$patro​n_barcode\t$book_barcode\n"
09:26 chris if you send a patch, you're a developer
09:27 kf chris: ok, so perhaps we need to argue about the definition ;)
09:27 chris :)
09:27 kf ok, tab separated lines
09:27 magnus it's just date + tab + the word "issue" + tab + patron barcode + tab + book barcode
09:27 magnus yes
09:27 kf ok
09:28 kf do you know if you can tell the due_date?
09:29 kf is borrowdate the due_date or the day the item was checked out?
09:30 magnus the day the item was checked out - due date depends on item type etc
09:30 kf ah ok
09:30 magnus kf: beware of Bug 4973!
09:30 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4973 normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, fails to process returns because of \r
09:30 kf so I need to get that from the database
09:31 magnus no, you just enter the patron and item barcodes, koha does the rest
09:31 magnus just as with a regular issue
09:31 kf yep, but I want the due_dates to be the same as in the horizon database, so have to make sure the rules are the same and send the checkout_date :)
09:32 kf magnus++
09:32 magnus yeah that sounds about right
09:32 magnus thanks
09:32 magnus ;-)
09:32 kf perhaps i can buy you a beer or something in nz :)
09:32 magnus isn't there a dump of the old wiki somwhere?
09:33 kf yep
09:33 magnus the first line of the .koc-file is special
09:33 kf
09:34 kf[…]ation_file_format is not there
09:34 kf or I was not able to open it
09:34 chris kf: buy him one of these
09:36 * kf never drinks beer, so he must choose one himself
09:36 magnus me? never drinks beer either...
09:37 kf hm
09:37 kf ok, so it's something else :)
09:37 kf ice cream?
09:37 magnus :-)
09:38 magnus hm, i think i deleted the koc files after i was finnished with them... trying some alternatives
09:39 chris wine?
09:39 chris vodka?
09:39 * chris has heard about scandanavians :-)
09:40 kf magnus: I will try to generate a line as you suggested
09:41 * magnus is rather difficult in that respect... port wine, islay single malt, cider...
09:41 kf if it does not work, I know where to find you ;)
09:41 chris ahh, i know some ppl who will be happen to drink whisky with you :) and we make some ok cider here too
09:42 magnus chris: ok cider sounds interesting... ;-)
09:43 kf alcohol always make me talk too much
09:43 kf if you let me drink something you have to live with it :)
09:43 magnus kf: the first line should look something like "Version=1.0Generator=kocQt4GeneratorVersion=1.0" the first "version" is important, the import tool will not process anything else than 1.0. the other two can be anything, i think
09:44 kf great, thx
09:44 magnus oops, that should be "Version=1.0 + tab + Generator=kocQt4 + tab + GeneratorVersion=1.0"
09:45 magnus kf: here we go:[…]_file_format.html
09:45 kf magnus: I was missing the .html :)
09:46 magnus i'll put that in the new wiki
09:46 magnus yep
09:46 kf magnus++
09:49 magnus thanks again! ;-)
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09:54 magnus[…]ation_file_format
09:55 chris sweet
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09:59 * kf adds bookmark
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10:04 * magnus goes in search of lunch
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10:04 * kf is eating at computer
10:17 kf @marc 035
10:17 munin kf: A control number of a system other than the one whose control number is contained in field 001 (Control Number), field 010 (Library of Congress Control Number) or field 016 (National Bibliographic Agency Control Number). (Repeatable) [a,z,6,8]
11:13 * magnus read that as "kf is eating a computer"...
11:13 kf mmh yummy
11:13 kf ;)
11:14 kf but it was salad from green beans
11:18 magnus sounds slightly more tasty :-)
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11:19 kf :)
11:19 * magnus just signed up for the "Levin Mayoral Reception and Marae Visit"[…]am/levintrip.html
11:20 kf oh
11:20 kf I did not now you had to sign up for it in advance
11:20 kf hope there is enough money on my paypal account :)
11:21 magnus there was an e-mail on the lists just now, with the link
11:23 hdl hi nengard
11:24 nengard hiya hdl
11:30 * kf just signed up for "Levin Mayoral Reception and Marae Visit"
11:31 magnus woohoo!
11:32 kf :)
11:32 kf yay!
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11:34 magnus yay indeed!
11:45 jcamins_a is now known as jcamins
11:46 jcamins Good morning, #koha
11:47 jwagner Morning jcamins
11:47 jcamins kf: You're welcome.
11:49 jcamins jwagner: I made a cookie for you, too. Hopefully you like curry coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies.
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11:52 smustafa Hello,,,
11:52 smustafa I don't know if anyone can see what I am typing
11:52 smustafa I am using the Web IRC
11:52 jcamins smustafa: it's working, go ahead.
11:53 smustafa alright :).  I was invited by Chris so I may get help in setting up a Koha development environment :)
11:53 smustafa I got to the point of creating a clone, + a branch
11:53 smustafa but no idea on how to access this branch from a different physical machine and commit/update
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11:54 jcamins smustafa: the way I dealt with that is by creating a github account.
11:54 smustafa I can't create a github account because my company does not want its modifications to be public
11:54 jwagner jcamins and kf, I have a whole pile of cookies on my desk this morning.  Some are for you (virtually anyway) :-)
11:55 jcamins smustafa: In that case, I'm out of ideas.
11:55 jcamins jwagner: Thanks!
11:55 kf cookies!
11:55 kf thx jwagner :)
11:55 owen jwagner: Starting the morning with a pile of cookies sounds like a recipe for a mid-morning nap
11:56 smustafa its alright...
11:56 smustafa I did this first on my dev-server
11:56 smustafa sudo git clone  git:// koha-clone
11:56 kf smustafa: I think it's possible, you wrote your git branch is on a server
11:56 smustafa then sudo git branch --track MSDR-Branch origin/master
11:56 kf smustafa: the problem is - I have never done that :( perhaps try later when chris is here, he knows a lot about git
11:56 kf or gmcharlt
11:56 smustafa ok I shall wait :)
11:57 kf ah, chris answered your mail
11:58 smustafa Yes, he informed me to get on Chat :)
11:58 smustafa and here I am :) hehe
11:58 jwagner Speaking of gmcharlt, anybody seen him lately? Got a question for him.
11:58 jwagner owen, that's why I brought the cookies into the office -- so other people would eat them, not me :-)
11:59 kf smustafa: yep, but check your mail, there is a new one for git branches
11:59 kf smustafa: he answered on koha-devel
12:01 jwagner @seen gmcharlt
12:01 munin jwagner: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 1 week, 4 days, 16 hours, 20 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> wizzyrea: 0470034548
12:02 kf wow
12:02 kf vacation?
12:02 jwagner Is he actually taking a vacation???
12:02 jwagner What an interesting concept.  I should try it sometime....
12:02 kf :)
12:02 kf me too
12:02 owen Vacation, with a release to manage?
12:03 jwagner Maybe someone else can answer what I was going to ask him.  I sent a patch out Friday morning, but it occurred to me later that I never saw it come across the patches list.  Did anyone else see it?
12:03 jwagner Before I send some others, want to make sure they're getting through.
12:03 smustafa actually I understood his e-mail
12:03 smustafa The problem is, it refers to my local laptop
12:03 owen jwagner: I don't see anything from you
12:03 smustafa But how will this work when we have a team of people trying to work on this same MSDR-Branch
12:04 smustafa Thats what I dont know how to do..
12:04 chris smustafa: exactly the same way, they just clone from the server too
12:04 jwagner Verifying the address -- ?
12:04 chris to their machines
12:04 chris jwagner: yes
12:04 smustafa Dear Chris, I am unsure of how to clone this [branch]
12:04 chris its in the email
12:04 smustafa I only know how to clone the main repository...that smy problem :(
12:05 chris when you clone, you get the repository
12:05 chris then you checkout the branch you want
12:05 chris git clone ssh://username@servername.or.ip/path/to/kohaclone kohaclone
12:05 jcamins kf: I heard back from my acquaintance in the MARC standards office at LC. He passed my query on to someone else in the office.
12:05 chris git checkout -b MSDR-Branch --track origin/MSDR-Branc
12:05 chris h
12:05 smustafa oh ok...I see...
12:06 smustafa ok I shall try that then.  .  So to summarize, I must clone the [origional cloned repository]
12:06 smustafa then I checkout the MSDR-Branch
12:06 smustafa right?
12:06 chris yes
12:06 smustafa oh ok, thanks alot chris.  Helpful as always :)
12:07 chris is there a reason why your changes can't be public?
12:07 smustafa actually I work for a semi-government company
12:07 kf jwagner: you are subscribed? (I forget about that always)
12:07 smustafa so they are pretty weird about it, eventhough nothing is sensitive..
12:07 smustafa but I dont know..
12:07 chris it might be nice to explain to them how gpl works :-)
12:07 smustafa hehe :) I shall
12:08 smustafa again, than you very much for your patience
12:08 chris np, good luck
12:08 smustafa :)
12:08 nengard chris do you know of a deadline to register for the Levin trip?
12:08 nengard I ask cause I'll put it in the newsletter if the deadline is after the publication date
12:08 nengard kf - I too have bought my tickets :)
12:09 chris up until the day before the trip afaik
12:09 kf jcamins: thx! hope you will get an answer :)
12:09 nengard cool - i'll put it in the newsletter then
12:09 kf nengard: makes at least 3 attendees now :)
12:09 nengard 4 if you're not counting my hubby
12:10 kf ah, right :)
12:10 chris its not everyday you get a full mayoral reception
12:10 nengard I know!!!
12:10 nengard that is so awesome :)
12:10 nengard I'm so excited - and it's august already!!! that's 2 months left!!
12:11 nengard and for me it's going to be a crazy 2 months while i try to cram in all of the training before I leave for NZ
12:11 kf do I have to pack formal clothes then?
12:11 chris 83 days
12:11 nengard that's a good question kf
12:11 chris naw
12:11 nengard I didn't think about that ....
12:11 chris just tidy
12:11 nengard oh good!
12:11 kf puh
12:11 * kf owns no formal clothes :)
12:12 * nengard owns no formal clothes that fit
12:12 nengard :)
12:12 nengard brb
12:12 smustafa exit
12:12 * magnus is happy to leave the suit at home...
12:12 jcamins Wonderful... every time the air conditioning switches, my wireless goes out.
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12:13 kf :)
12:13 * kf don't want to wait 83 more days to meet you all
12:13 chris well you'll meet magnus about 3 days before then, and slef and paul and hdl
12:14 * magnus thinks those 83 days will just fly by
12:14 kf chris: you are right :)
12:15 chris kf: kristina who wrote the email, moved to nz from luxembourg about 3 months ago
12:15 * nengard has already met chris (when he helped me move into my house) and hdl and paul and magnus
12:15 nengard and a lot of the US people too of course :)
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12:15 magnus so chris does housemoving too?
12:15 smustafa Chris, sorry but you mentioned that I should use the 3.0x
12:15 smustafa rather than the master head.
12:16 smustafa Will I face issues in the future if I use the MASTER, rather than 3.0.6?
12:16 smustafa Because I want to always be up to date with Koha, not just the 3.0.x versions..
12:16 chris kf: and munich before that, so you can speak german with her
12:17 nengard magnus it's a great story, chris is just an all around nice guy :)
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12:17 chris smustafa: you may want to have both a 3.0.x and a master branch
12:17 kf kf: hope I can speak English to her and all others (and being understood)
12:17 magnus hehe, that's what i thought
12:18 chris kf: im sure you can, but just in case you get stuck and cant think of a word :-)
12:18 * jcamins thinks he will be lonely in #koha in October :'(
12:18 chris[…]es-of-wellington/
12:19 chris jcamins: i'm sure we will still be on #koha from time to time, i was at the last 2 kohacon :)
12:19 smustafa thanks Chris, :)
12:19 smustafa bye everyone
12:19 kf chris: I already tell my coworkers "no worries" just for practice ;)
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12:19 chris heh
12:19 owen jcamins: You can I can hang around here and feel sorry for ourselves
12:20 jwagner Just tried resending that patch -- someone let me know if you see it?
12:21 jwagner owen and jcamins, I'll probably be here too :-(
12:22 chris nope not yet
12:22 chris hdl: you around?
12:23 hdl chris yes.
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12:23 chris can you check if jwagners patch is stuck somewhere?
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12:24 hdl no patch stuck here.
12:24 jwagner chris, I'm thinking there's a problem with outgoing mail on that server -- just tried sending the patch to my own address & it hasn't come through.
12:24 chris sounds likely
12:24 jwagner I'll have druthb check the server later.
12:24 hdl use smtp-server.... option
12:24 jwagner Thanks for looking
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12:25 chris thanks hdl
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12:25 hdl jwagner: git send-email --smtp-server --to 0001
12:26 jwagner where 0001 is the name of the patch?
12:26 hdl yep
12:26 hdl to be changed to the external smtp you want to use.
12:26 jwagner Unable to initialize SMTP properly.  Is there something wrong with your config?
12:26 jwagner That's what _I'm_ asking :-)
12:27 chris heh, is a real site
12:27 hdl oops.
12:27 chris they seriously should rebrand :)
12:27 hdl hehe
12:27 chris
12:27 jwagner This is my standard head devel server & I've sent lots of patches before, dunno what's gone wrong now.  But I'll let the expert fix it :-) (Cookies will make a timely bribe....)
12:28 jwagner Oh, well, off to do a test dataload for a new site :-(
12:32 kf jwagner: save some cookies
12:32 kf perhaps you will need them ;)
12:35 jcamins It's hard to believe sometimes that anyone ever learns to catalog.
12:35 jcamins The combination of MARC and AACR2 may be the most byzantine system ever invented.
12:36 chris RDA will fix it all
12:36 magnus jcamins: hehe i bet if you examine a number of marc records in the wild you will find any number of inconsistensies, local practices etc etc
12:36 magnus chris: if you can afford the subscription, that is
12:37 jcamins magnus: That is very true. One just need look at the ANS's catalog to see proof of that. ;)
12:37 chris magnus: you ruined my sarcasm with reality ;-)
12:38 magnus sorry
12:38 chris hehe
12:38 magnus ;-)
12:38 chris RDA is pretty much the ultimate in design by committee
12:38 jcamins Why chris, do I detect a note of scorn towards our tilting-at-windmills white-knight-saviour, RDA?
12:38 chris and it once again shows, you SHOULD NEVER DO THAT
12:39 * magnus thinks RDA will never ever take off - but has some hope for semantic/linked data...
12:39 chris yeah, linked data is gettng lots of traction outside libraryland
12:41 jcamins I guess my interns probably should know about 245$h.
12:43 jcamins It seems to me that ILSes should automatically associate punctuation with the subfield following.
12:43 kf jcamins: I'm with you on that...
12:44 kf jcamins: I know not many systems using marc21 in cataloging, but I think I remember none that could do that
12:44 owen Re: encoding scratch pad, how do we know what content from the old wiki can be copied directly? Or do we have to re-write everything?
12:44 kf jcamins: the isbd punctuaion is not looking good everywhere, for example in notices
12:44 chris that one would need a rewrite
12:44 chris joshua wrote it originally
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12:44 owen Oh I see the problematic author right there at the top, yes.
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12:45 kf ok, going to talk migration to my programming coworker bbl
12:45 owen Another mess left behind by our former benefactor.
12:45 chris im not sure its even applicable anymore
12:46 jcamins Wow! That's a lot of new MARC fields.
12:47 chris yeah, more fields, .... thats what we need
12:47 * chris goes to bed
12:50 jcamins DNB++ # for proposing an addition to Leader/18 to specify ISBD formatting without punctuation at the end of fields
12:51 jcamins Er, that would be the Deutche National Bibliothek, not Dictionary of National Biography.
12:51 jcamins Deutsche
13:06 nengard owen chris - ooops - i just added it to the wiki - so someone can either delete it or edit it to make it unique
13:07 nengard trying to get things done quickly this AM before I leave for a series of dr appts - they all wanted to see me today - which is fine cause after this week i'm crazy busy again
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13:53 jwagner Can someone give me some history?  It looks like in older Koha (roughly in the OPAX XSLT results list the shelving location displayed.  Somewhere along the line, that was removed and now it just shows branchcode followed by call number.  Is that correct?
13:53 jwagner If so, was there a reason for removing shelving location?
13:54 owen jwagner: See if you can track down the change in git.
13:54 jwagner That's where I was headed next -- was just hoping someone remembered :-(
13:54 owen[…]96ab43387;hb=HEAD
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14:14 jwagner Never mind -- the shelving location shows when XSLT is not enabled for results list.  Didn't notice that....
14:15 jwagner Would people find it useful to include shelving location in the XSLT results list?  I had been thinking about a mod to have a syspref control whether it showed or not, because sites with a lot of branches might want to reduce the clutter. Same for call number.
14:17 owen If someone found it useful to see it in the non-XSLT results I would think it would be useful in the XSLT results
14:18 owen There's already an OPACItemsResultsDisplay system preference
14:20 jwagner Yes, and that's set to itemdetails which is supposed to be branch+location+callnumber -- but the XSLT doesn't seem to be set to show location
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14:49 Drakmor Hey, exactly how unstable is koha 3.2?
14:50 chris_n` quite actually
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14:52 Drakmor ok... I've been having troubles with barcodes.... and was wondering if updating was worth it.
14:54 owen chris_n: You would classify 3.2 as unstable?
14:58 Drakmor I don't know if it is or not.... I only recently found out about the koha-commmunity site.... haven't really had the time to look through it.
14:59 chris_n owen: opps
14:59 * chris_n suddenly realizes it is Monday
14:59 chris_n Drakmor: quite stable is what I intended to say
15:00 chris_n I have it in production use as do others
15:00 Drakmor I see, big difference there.
15:00 * chris_n goes back to digging out of his 'inbox'
15:00 Drakmor I'm currently using 3.0...
15:00 Drakmor it sort of works, but of course there's problems.
15:00 chris_n Drakmor: 3.2 has a massive labels re-write in it
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15:02 Drakmor Everything else works for us, other than labels.
15:03 Drakmor First, Koha can't search the books by aquisition date, and also the printing is screwed up... I suppose we could use premade ones...
15:08 Drakmor any idea about that?
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15:18 Drakmor or just updating koha in general?
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15:30 jcamins jwagner: We use shelving location, and need it to display in the results screen.
15:31 jcamins I have a bug somewhere.
15:31 jcamins I thik.
15:31 jcamins *think
15:31 jcamins *bug report
15:32 jcamins Or not.
15:32 jwagner jcamins, thanks.  I can see that it would be very useful for some sites.  But I can also see that with 30-40 branches, the screen clutter gets overwhelming.  That's why I'm thinking syspref(s) to control both shelving location & callnum display in the XSLT results list.
15:32 jcamins Yeah, sysprefs would be great.
15:32 jwagner OK, another thing to put on my list....
15:32 jcamins The lack of sysprefs would be why our local modifications remain local modifications.
15:34 jwagner Yes, I'm all for making things site controllable rather than hardcoding changes.
15:34 kf jwagner++ :)
15:34 jwagner Even if the sysprefs do proliferate like paperclips or wire coat hangers in dark corners :-)
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15:34 kf jcamins: are u using koha without isbd punctuation?
15:35 kf jcamins: there are a lot of chnages caused by DNB
15:35 jcamins kf: No, but I desperately want to.
15:35 kf jcamins: you will have display problems in some places
15:35 kf short titles don't  look very good without isbd punctuation
15:35 jcamins Oh, I'm not leaving out isbd punctuation until Koha supports automatically associating isbd punctuation with the following subfields.
15:35 kf we have them.. sometimes they make me happy, sometimes not. we added them to the format for koha, German exchange format was planned without isbd punctuation
15:36 jcamins I'm just writing our cataloging documenation.
15:36 kf oh, and no isbd format withoug punctuation
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15:36 kf in catalog and opac you can add them now with xslt in many places... I m not sure you really need them. perhaps add some titles and test
15:37 Drakmor Hey, how do I update koha 3.0 to 3.2?
15:37 kf jcamins: but I would really like if koha would support cataloging without isbd punctuation
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15:39 jcamins kf: That's brilliant! I have a stylesheet that already adds some isbd punctuation. When I get a chance, I'll just make it add all, then somehow persuade it to play with the Koha stylesheets.
15:40 kf jcamins: but this will not work for isbd format
15:40 kf xslt detail, but not results in staff
15:40 kf not for notices (altough that is no great loss)
15:41 kf isbd punctuation is one of the things that drive me crazy
15:41 jwagner jcamins and kf, see Bug 5079
15:41 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5079 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Make display of shelving location and call number in XSLT results controlled by sysprefs
15:42 owen jwagner: Why not have it be controlled by the existing system preference?
15:43 jwagner Which one?
15:43 jwagner the itemstatus one?
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15:43 owen OPACItemsResultsDisplay
15:44 jwagner It could be done to a degree -- make XSLT pay attention to that syspref first of all, then use it to control display.  The main thing is that it would lump both shelving location and call number into the same on/off switch.  I think some sites might want to show one but not the other.
15:44 jcamins Any suggestions what kind of cookie I should bake tonight? This is definitely a day that requires baking cookies.
15:45 jwagner jcamins, how about byte-sized cookies?
15:45 * jwagner hides under the desk, now.
15:45 owen If so then I think the scope of the bug should be "separate control of shelving location and call numbers and have it apply to both standard and XSLT display"
15:45 jwagner owen, comment in the bug report & let's get some discussion -- I need input on what most sites would like.
15:46 jwagner I know what _I'd_ like, but that's not always the best solution for everyone :-)
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15:52 jcamins jwagner: it is a testament to how lousy my day is going that I appreciated your pun. ;)
15:52 jcamins jwagner++ # mostly for bug 5079, but also for bad puns
15:52 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5079 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Make display of shelving location and call number in XSLT results controlled by sysprefs
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15:53 kf jcamins: chocolate peanut butter cookies?
15:54 jcamins Mmm. Those sound good. Thanks. :D
15:54 jwagner kf, with caramel and praline swirls?  Let's get the sugar level UP!
15:56 kf jwagner: caramel is a really good idea :)
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15:57 * jwagner is now hungry. Goes to raid the box of cookies that I brought in for others....
15:59 owen Hey everyone, please attach patches to the bug report. I really hate seeing "patch-sent" but reports with no attachments.
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16:14 owen fredericd's patch for Bug 4305 seems to work great.
16:14 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4305 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED, Amazon book covers do not work with ISBN13
16:14 owen It'd be great to be able to close that bug
16:19 jcamins I need a report of how many barcodes have been entered in our system.
16:19 jcamins I tried this: SELECT count(barcode) FROM items WHERE barcode IS NOT NULL
16:19 jcamins It gives me the error message '1' when I try to save it.
16:20 jcamins Wait, no, just kidding.
16:20 jcamins Apparently Koha doesn't like spaces at the beginning of queries.
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16:24 owen nengard: I'd be interested in hearing your comments on the current state of Bug 2749
16:24 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2749 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, NEW, No dislay of GMD (245h) if XSLT is off
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16:24 nengard owen - will try to look before i leave again
16:24 owen No rush
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16:45 owen nengard: If you classify both 245b and 245h as "subtitle" in Keywords to MARC mapping they both show up
16:46 nengard seems like a work around - not a fix.  I'd tell people they can do that to get around the problem, but we still should have a fix
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17:45 kf time to go home, now that the rain has stopped - bye all
17:45 jcamins Bye kf
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18:52 jwagner Somebody recently was talking about setting up lexile searching/display -- anyone remember who that was?  I don't see any current bugzilla entries on the topic.
18:54 cait jwagner: I think the patch was sent
18:54 cait and I thought it was integrated hm
18:54 jwagner Hmmm.  I searched bugzilla for resolved & closed too, still didn't find anything.  Maybe a patch was sent without a bugzilla entry?
18:54 cait search google lexile and koha
18:55 cait I have problems with my browser not showing the url, don't want to restart it right now
18:56 cait[…]org/msg04132.html
18:56 jwagner I found some recent listserv traffic.  Looks like it's indexed, I just need to check the display stuff.
18:56 cait[…]org/msg04132.html
18:57 cait sorry, copy and paste while cuttng vegetables...
18:57 cait [Koha-patches]  [PATCH] Patch of Lexile Search box on Opac advancesearch page
19:05 jwagner cait++ # Thanks! I _knew_ I remembered something.
19:06 jwagner I'm not seeing that feature in my latest head version, though -- wonder if the patch ever got pushed?
19:06 cait it seems the first one was, there is a comment from gmcharlt
19:08 gmcharlt jwagner: fda681b2d037e0d64d8ed71272b17e67b2b3db8e
19:09 * gmcharlt pauses to contemplate that he can emit random hexadecimal numbers in #koha and be perfectly understood
19:09 * jwagner bows in admiration :-)
19:09 jcamins Would you like me to pretend I don't know what that means, to bring our normal quotient up a bit?
19:10 jwagner gmcharlt, that commit is adding the indexes, but I don't see the patch cait referred to, that adds a search box to the advanced search screen
19:10 jwagner Patch from Amit on Jan 20, 2010
19:11 cait jcamins: do we want to be normal?
19:11 jcamins cait: No, probably not.
19:11 jwagner cait, we ARE normal.  It's the rest of the world that's slightly off....
19:15 cait :)
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19:53 brendan @wunder 93117
19:53 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.9�C (12:55 PM PDT on August 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling).
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20:00 nengard check it out - the Koha newsletter is cataloged by LOC :[…]er/oclc/550595069
20:02 chris_n oooh nice
20:03 jcamins Perhaps we should add a holdings...
20:05 jcamins A shame it wouldn't show up in WorldCat.
20:09 * magnus wonders where "Fairless Hills, PA" is...
20:09 chris_n @wunder Fairless Hills, PA
20:09 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Mercer County, Ewing, New Jersey is 28.2�C (4:15 PM EDT on August 02, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1021.9 hPa (Steady).
20:10 chris_n munin?
20:10 chris_n PA in NJ?
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20:17 nengard magnus and chris_n it's 45 min north of Philly
20:17 nengard and 5 min south of Trenton NJ
20:17 nengard which is why it's showing NJ weather I guess
20:18 magnus nengard: it's where you live?
20:18 nengard yes
20:18 nengard i'm the one who submitted the application for an ISSN
20:18 nengard and I had to put a location on it :)
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20:21 magnus :-)
20:32 chris_n nengard++
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20:34 chris morning
20:34 nengard morning chris
20:35 chris_n heya chris
20:36 magnus morning chris
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20:49 cait morning chris
20:50 chris hiya cait
20:52 cait a new day for you, time for bed here :)
20:52 cait bye all
20:54 chris cya
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