IRC log for #koha, 2010-07-26

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00:20 ENTS Hey everyone, I just downloaded the koha appliance and ran the update. I am getting the producion mode trapped fatal error after loggin in to the web portal and starting the setup. Is this normal?
00:20 chris have never used the appliance, so i dont know im afraid
00:21 * chris installs from source of from debian packages
00:21 chris look at the apache error logs, see what the error is
00:21 ENTS I have a debian box ready to go for this project but I'm not terribly good with linux so I thought the VA would be easier
00:21 Steven chris....need ur help
00:22 chris im at work, so only if its fast Steven :)
00:22 ENTS (late sunday work, sucky)
00:22 chris nope 12.25pm monday work actually
00:23 * chris has a meeting in 35 mins and needs to grab some food before then
00:23 robin ooh lunch. Good plan.
00:23 Steven wanna get some info about the AWS DevKey where we need to key in system pref in order to enable Amazon cover image
00:24 chris what version of koha Steven
00:24 Steven 2.2.9
00:24 chris thats very very old
00:24 chris and won't work with amazon
00:24 chris they changed their api
00:24 Steven i got 2 version...1 is 2.2.9.....another is 3.0.6
00:25 chris 3.0.6 might, i cant recall if the changes were made there
00:25 ENTS chris, would you recommend doing a .deb install  over the pre rolled VA?
00:25 chris ENTS: i would
00:25 chris takes one layer of complication out
00:26 chris ie instead of having the VA and linux to worry about
00:26 chris you just have linux :)
00:26 ENTS I dont want to take your time, obviously you're busy this afternoon, could I bug you at another time to look at it?
00:26 chris
00:26 Steven chris: i m confusing with the AWS key the numerical ID or and apha key ID i should use?
00:26 chris have a look at that, that might help
00:26 ENTS the linux still lives on an ESX box, but I get what you're saying
00:26 ENTS ok
00:26 ENTS I'll start there
00:27 chris Steven: in 2.2.9 it doesnt matter, it wont work either way
00:27 Steven how about 3.0.6?
00:27 chris you need the AWSAccessKeyID and AWSPrivateKey
00:28 ENTS thanks for the help chris, I need to take off but I'll let you know how it goes in a couple days
00:28 chris both of which are alphanumeric strings
00:28 chris ENTS: good luck
00:28 Steven okok...and the amazon associate tag as well?
00:29 chris yeah thats what ever you associate tag is, thats not strictly needed i dont think, but doesnt hurt to have it
00:30 Steven icic.....i have just register with AWS...but i m not package with any it ok?
00:31 chris should be ok
00:31 Steven bcoz i have try to key in both ID into system pref....and enable amazon in enhanced doesnt pull the image cover from amazon
00:32 Steven but google cover images working without any issues
00:32 chris do you have amazoncoverimages turned on and opacamazoncoverimages?
00:32 Steven yaya...both on.....while on the amazon...i disable google cover
00:33 Steven but it seems not working to me
00:33 Steven weird
00:41 Steven should i need to subscribe to any product in AWS to gain access of amazon cover images?
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02:18 robin If anyone's interested, new versions of the Koha packages are being uploaded to with all the latest master-branch goodness.
02:18 wasabi w00t, well done robin++ !
02:20 robin and, upload complete :)
02:23 wasabi seriously, the deb packaging stuff you are doing is such a big win for the koha-project
02:24 * wasabi pumps fist-in-the-air like that steve.balmer video...
02:24 robin Yeah, it'll hopefully get rid of the hardest parts of getting a koha env set up, and keeping it up to date.
02:24 robin heh
02:25 wasabi developers, developers, developers!!!
02:25 wasabi w000000, give it up for ME!!!!
02:26 chilts only if you're sweating profusely and look like a big hairy monster
02:27 wasabi lol, pretty close.... ;)
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03:32 Amit heya chris, brendan
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07:00 kf good morning #koha
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07:23 chris morning
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07:24 kf morning chris
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07:50 magnus hiya kf, chris, hdl et al
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07:52 kf hi magnus
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09:54 kf hmpf.
09:55 chris heh
09:55 kf hi chris
09:56 kf wondering ... are list price and ordering price the same?
09:56 slef hi all.  Anyone got skype and a moment to answer a call from me in a few minutes?
09:56 kf slef: sorry, no skype at work
09:56 kf working on acq documentation and speaking about the vendor form
09:57 slef I'm seeing if the sip-to-skype gateway is still up, but I don't know many skype users (understandable given the free software circles I move in)
09:58 chris kf: yeah i think so
09:58 chris slef: yeah no skype here either sorry
09:59 kf hmpf. ok, so why do we have to different terms for the same thing in one form?
09:59 slef asking reminded me that I forgot to switch my sip phone on this morning :)
09:59 kf to = 2 or two...
09:59 chris which form?
09:59 kf new vendor
09:59 chris ill go look
09:59 slef kf: someone didn't check ODLIS before writing one, possibly?
09:59 slef munin, odlis?
09:59 munin slef: Error: "odlis?" is not a valid command.
10:00 slef munin, what is odlis?
10:00 munin slef: Error: "what" is not a valid command.
10:00 slef munin, @roulette
10:00 munin slef: Error: "@roulette" is not a valid command.
10:00 slef munin, roulette
10:00 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
10:00 * munin reloads and spins the chambers.
10:02 chris kf: yeah they are the same thing and someone just changed one, probably when it was being translated into americanese
10:02 kf ok, hmpf. :)
10:02 kf I can write a patch - but not sure which is the right one
10:02 kf Im also wondering about the tax registered thing -not sure what it is for
10:03 chris list price
10:03 chris you need that in nz
10:03 chris not sure about other countries
10:03 chris brb
10:03 kf slef: you agree? I found list price in odlis too, ordering price not
10:04 slef oh wait
10:04 slef are you sure ordering price is list price?
10:04 slef I think of ordering price = list price - discount
10:04 kf no, that was my first question
10:04 kf but I dont know about the difference (makes translation difficult too)
10:04 slef I missed that :-)  I must pay attention.  kf: which file?
10:05 kf new vendor
10:05 kf supplier.tmpl
10:05 slef ok, I can look in my next break... will that be soon enough?
10:05 slef (26 mins away)
10:06 kf no problem
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10:06 kf just let me know, so I can write a patch (or add teh difference to my documentation)
10:06 kf I will go and have lunch - will be back in about 30 minutes
10:12 chris i think in the context of the vendor form its the same
10:13 chris thats how the code uses it anyway
10:13 chris it will use the currency chosen to convert the price, then if there is tax then subtract that, then remove the discount
10:15 chris to end up with the estimated cost, so the currency of list price and tax of ordering price are both used for the same thing
10:26 slef I bow to chris's reading of the actual code.  Thanks chris.
10:28 chris np
10:42 kf ok
10:42 kf back :)
10:42 kf so I will change ordering price to list price
10:45 chris interesting
10:46 kf hm?
10:48 chris just trying to find out when it was changed
10:49 kf I think the ordering prices were added later
10:49 kf and they only appear if gist is set in sys prefs
10:49 kf filing bug for list price/ordering price now
10:50 kf but have another question: my gist is set to 0.07 = 7% but vendor form shows 0 by default?
10:50 kf bug?
10:53 chris no, it allows you to set different values per vendor, if they arent set it uses the systempreference
10:53 kf yes, but why is ist 0 by default?
10:54 kf I think there should be no default?
10:54 kf or the default should be the gist setting
10:54 chris cos if its 0 it uses the default
10:54 kf hm
10:54 chris and why is it called gist???
10:54 kf not sure
10:54 kf in German its MWSt - Mehrwertsteuer
10:54 chris in nz its GST
10:55 chris i think someone in france mistyped :)
10:55 kf perhaps - but gist is really old
10:55 chris it used to be gst
10:55 kf dont know, I know it as gist since 3.0
10:55 chris yeah thats not really old :)
10:56 kf no, but as long as Im around here .)
10:56 chris it was gst up until 3.0
10:56 kf ok, my previous patch touched the same file, supplier.tmpl
10:57 kf combine the changes into one patch or use a new branch with the file from master?
10:57 chris stored as gstrate in the db still, maybe ill fix gist for 3.4
10:57 chris the latter
10:58 chris that way one not being accepted wont block both
10:58 kf ok
10:59 kf hm another question
11:00 kf List Prices or List prices?
11:00 kf the form uses both forms... Invoice Prices are and Invoice prices:
11:00 chris in a sentence the latter, for a heading on a form, doesn't really matter
11:01 kf but it should be consistent?
11:01 kf[…]hment.cgi?id=2420
11:02 kf sorry, getting lost in small problems today... easier to solve than those other things on my todo list
11:04 chris lower case p
11:04 chris i would use
11:05 kf ok
11:05 kf Perhaps we need a rule for that
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11:10 chris hi nengard
11:11 nengard howdy
11:11 nengard magnus asked me to create an event for kohacon on facebook - this has been done
11:11 nengard[…]d=131876760187249
11:12 chris if i was on facebook id look
11:12 chris :)
11:12 nengard i know
11:13 nengard but others in the chanel might be on facebook - so i'm just saying :) hehe
11:13 chris walled_gardens--
11:13 nengard makes me money++
11:14 chris no_respect_for_privacy--
11:14 chris i could go all night
11:14 chris ;)
11:18 magnus thanks, nengard - and i know everyone is not on facebook, but i guess there is no one channel that reaches everyone... ;-)
11:18 kf hi nengard
11:18 nengard chris i don't disagree with you, but i have no choice - libraries want to learn about it and i want to get paid to teach about it :)
11:18 kf nengard: List price or List Price?
11:18 nengard depends on how other things on the page are formatted
11:19 nengard if everything on the page is first letter caps then List Price
11:19 nengard if not, then match the style of the page
11:19 chris nengard: you should include this in your teaching, being responsible[…]acebook-timeline/
11:20 nengard i do have a lot of links to articles on privacy already - but 'll add this one if i can find room
11:21 chris thats probably the clearest indication there is of the move away from privacy, its pretty much all you need to read
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11:27 kf nengard: ok, thx :)
11:52 slef yo... I'm on facebook and yes, it's evil.
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12:01 kf I hope my facebook account is now deleted - not sure they really deleted all my data
12:01 owen They didn't kf
12:02 kf yeah... happy I had not much information in my profile
12:17 kf and hi owen :)
12:19 owen Hi kf and everyone
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12:26 chris
12:26 nengard can i just say that i love seeing all of your answering questions on the mailing list with links to the manual!! :) it used to only be me doing that
12:27 chris
12:30 * chris goes to sleep now
12:31 chris_n` nengard: see my comments on bug 3756
12:31 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3756 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, new sys prefs - no way to add a new local use preference
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12:31 nengard reading now
12:33 nengard commented
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12:56 kf nengard: thinking about terminology - I have changed ordering price to list price in the vendor form, because slef and chris agreed it's the same and the form used list price in most places. Now I see that you enter a 'vendor price' in a new order - what to you think?
12:56 nengard i'd say those are the same too - vendor/list/ordering price
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12:56 nengard or at least in terms of Koha they are
12:57 kf hm
12:57 nengard technically list price is different from ordering/vendor price
12:57 nengard i'm just using Koha language
12:57 kf so file a bug and suggest to change it to list price? or do  you like vendor price better?
12:57 kf ah
12:57 nengard i'd say vendor price
12:57 kf not a native speaker, but fighting with German acq documentation
12:57 nengard across the board.  the list price is the price it's supposed to be listed at - but vendors don't often charge that
12:58 nengard but i think koha is putting that value in the same place
12:58 kf ok, in Germany they do - we have fixed prices for books
13:00 kf hm
13:01 kf I just think different terms meaning the same are confusing
13:01 kf confusing translators like me and perhaps native speakers too :)
13:04 nengard i agree
13:04 nengard acq in general is confusing cause of all of the different ways people talk about these things
13:05 nengard i think vendor price might be the safest option
13:05 nengard that says to me the price the vendor is charging
13:05 nengard or the price the vendor has listed on their site or in their catalog
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13:08 kf ok
13:08 kf I will try to write a bug and suggest the change
13:08 kf writing on another bug report right now :)
13:09 jcamins Hello, #koha
13:09 nengard hello jcamins
13:10 nengard time for me to log off - teaching a webinar on open source software for libraries this AM - see you all this afternoon
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13:10 kf hi jcamins
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13:15 slef I thought chris said it was the price before discounts => list price IMO
13:16 slef but I've not read the code for myself recently (yet)
13:17 kf slef: different page now
13:17 kf but it's still the price before discounts, just named differently again
13:18 slef I'm looking at ODLIS
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13:20 slef It says in "list price"'s definition "Synonymous with published price and retail price" but I suspect this might be a subtle difference between "list price" and "retail price"
13:20 slef Creating a bug is probably a good idea, then email lists to ask about it?
13:23 kf *sighs* more work.. I knew it :)
13:23 kf working on 2 other acq bug reports, will try to write something up, but need comments from native speakers :)
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13:55 kf slef: bug 5062
13:55 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5062 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Acq terminology: list price, ordering price, vendor price, RRP
13:56 kf I even found two more terms, RRP and RRT - latter is perhaps a typo?
13:59 slef where is RRT?
13:59 slef (looking at bug)
14:00 slef 'RRT GST Inc.' - yes, looks like it.
14:00 slef Also, Europe uses VAT instead of GST (if I understand General Sales Tax right)
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14:04 kf slef: MWSt in German
14:05 kf slef: RRT is in the pdf
14:06 kf when you print your order to pdf using one of the two available layouts pdfformat::layout3pages
14:06 kf slef: have you booked your flight yet?
14:08 kf to kohacon - will book mine this week and it looks like I will fly from stuttgart to london first
14:09 wizzyrea i have got to get mine booked this week too.
14:10 kf wizzyrea: looking forward to meet you in person :)
14:10 * sekjal is working on booking his right now
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14:10 wizzyrea I am too :)
14:10 wizzyrea plus the spud and the hubs are coming, that should be fun.
14:11 sekjal nice!  I'm trying to coordinate with my wife's schedule.  She's got a bunch of conferences, presentations and important meetings right around then, so it's a little tricky
14:12 wizzyrea traveling with an almost 3 year old is tricky too.
14:12 sekjal I don't envy you that
14:13 kf travelling all alone
14:13 wizzyrea ^^ I think that would freak me out more. :/
14:13 kf yep
14:38 slef kf: yes. priv msg?
14:43 kf slef: sorry, was afk
14:45 slef kf: np
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15:01 wizzyrea hmm, is it documented anywhere that the value of $OPACBaseURL should not include the http://?
15:02 wizzyrea (if you put it in there, it breaks the "link to opac" links in XSLT intranet results)
15:03 wizzyrea aha
15:03 wizzyrea indeed, in the description it shows http://<blank>
15:03 wizzyrea so it's assuming you're not adding it
15:03 wizzyrea no wonder it's broken on my install.
15:07 kf hm headache, leaving for today - bye all
15:07 wizzyrea must be the day for those
15:07 * wizzyrea has one too
15:07 kf the weather is changing
15:08 wizzyrea it better not be going from "hot" to "hotter"
15:08 kf just from heavy rain to sun today
15:08 * owen thinks it would be a shame if wizzyrea evaporated
15:08 kf @wunder Konstanz
15:08 munin kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 18.0�C (5:00 PM CEST on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling).
15:08 wizzyrea @wunder Lawrence, Kansas
15:08 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 28.7�C (10:12 AM CDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Falling).
15:09 owen @wunder 45701
15:09 munin owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 23.9�C (11:05 AM EDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Steady).
15:09 wizzyrea wow, same barometric pressure
15:09 wizzyrea what are the odds
15:10 owen We're barometric pressure buddies!
15:11 wizzyrea I'm trying to come up with a witty joke, but failing miserably
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15:11 wizzyrea something along the lines of "we work well that way" or something about getting the bends.
15:11 * wizzyrea might have had only about 30 minutes of sleep last night
15:12 owen Ouch.
15:12 Sham Quick question for ye learned gents - > Any idea how to add tags and subtags on the Staff OPAC? I can edit the MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl for User OPAC but this doesn't add anything in Staff?
15:13 wizzyrea try editing MARC21slim2intranetDetail.xsl
15:13 wizzyrea oh, but yea, you'd have to have 3.2 for that
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15:13 wizzyrea or alphabeta or whatever it is now
15:13 wizzyrea beta, it's in beta.
15:13 Sham Only back on 3.06, any other file for that?
15:14 wizzyrea mmm I don't believe staff xsl was added until after that
15:14 Sham So I'm in trouble then!?
15:14 wizzyrea you can try editing prog/en/modules/catalogue/detail.tmpl
15:14 wizzyrea in intranet-tmpl, of course
15:15 wizzyrea < tired, sorry :(
15:16 kf wizzyrea: not sure it's only in beta
15:16 kf Sham: check our system preference for xslt
15:16 kf our = your
15:16 kf ok, I am still here ... :)
15:16 wizzyrea I thought that was added only in feb?
15:16 wizzyrea or was it backported?
15:17 wizzyrea rather, finally fixed in feb.
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15:21 kf wizzyrea: I am not sure, but I think there were changes for xslt in 3.0.x
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15:23 wizzyrea
15:23 wizzyrea I just did a search in 3.2b for xslt, these are the results I got
15:23 wizzyrea if you have XSLTDetailsDisplay, that's the one you want to make sure is on
15:24 wizzyrea if you don't have it, look at the file I referenced earlier. :)
15:24 wizzyrea let us know if any of that helps you, Sham
15:24 Sham will do....just checking now!
15:25 owen I see the preference in my 3.0.x installation, and the xsl files, but I don't think the feature is complete.
15:25 owen I don't see any reference to the xsl preference in detail.tmpl in 3.0.x
15:25 wizzyrea I thought it was buggy until feb of this year
15:25 wizzyrea but idk really
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15:51 chris_n heya cfouts
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16:06 cfouts good day, chris_n
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16:23 chris_n @wunder 2833
16:24 chris_n @wunder 28334
16:24 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Arcadia, Hope Valley, Rhode Island is 26.2�C (12:27 PM EDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Falling).
16:24 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 34.1�C (12:26 PM EDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 11%. Dew Point: -0.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005.0 hPa (Rising).
16:25 jwagner Hey, chris_n -- remember I was asking you about label creator date searching last week or so?
16:25 chris_n yes
16:25 * chris_n is trying to get his brain cooled back down from a week in the extreme heat ;-)
16:25 jwagner It definitely has problems with 0000-00-00 date entries -- picks them up in a "date greater than" search.  I still don't know if I'm missing a patch, or the problem is with the indexing, or what.
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16:26 chris_n shouldn't zero entry dates be buggy data?
16:27 jwagner It is buggy data, but I wouldn't think it would be picked up in the search
16:27 jwagner When we did a SQL update & changed all the 0000-00-00 dates to something valid, they dropped out of the search.
16:28 chris_n well, in any case, the fix is most likely just another conditional on the sql to omit them
16:28 jwagner The label creator SQL?
16:28 chris_n no
16:28 chris_n that uses C4::Search....
16:28 chris_n iirc
16:29 * chris_n looks
16:29 jwagner Sorry, I'm stuck at home w/limited accessibility -- can't look at much of anything myself.  Big storm yesterday knocked everything out.
16:32 chris_n yup, it uses C4::Search::SimpleSearch
16:32 chris_n after normalizing the dates sent in by the form, it cooks up some ccl and passes that to SimpleSearch
16:34 chris_n its the less-than-equal-to that causes the problem I think
16:34 jwagner So how to fix?  Maybe a "and not equal 0000-00-00" in?
16:34 chris_n this actually could be corrected in the construction of the ccl I think
16:34 * chris_n is no ccl guru
16:35 jwagner Me neither.  I tried a general search using the form of the ccl from the label designer & got the same results.
16:36 chris_n it probably needs what you suggest
16:37 jwagner OK.  When I can get back into my dev systems I might have a go at it.  Wanted to be sure this wasn't one you'd already fixed, though.
16:38 chris_n no, I was working on a problem involving ansi-sql date formatting
16:55 chris_n jwagner: I can't seem to duplicate the zero date problem here
16:55 chris_n are you searching only on the "Added on or before date" field in the item search form?
16:56 nengard hello all regarding bug 3756 is there any reason not to submit a patch to remove these preferences from the db?
16:56 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3756 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED, new sys prefs - no way to add a new local use preference
16:56 chris_n yes
16:56 jwagner I'll try to do some more testing --  was using "added on or after date search
16:56 chris_n nengard: not all of those prefs are depricated
16:56 nengard chris_n - i mean the ones that Fr?d?ric didn't already move
16:56 nengard with his most recent patch
16:56 chris_n jwagner: I have only one item with an dateaccessioned of 0000-00-00
16:57 chris_n jwagner: and it does not show when I search on that field
16:57 jwagner I was wondering if I might have missed a patch somewhere.
16:57 chris_n nengard: I would not without verifying that they are, indeed, deprecated
16:57 nengard k
16:57 nengard then we're at a stalemate :)
16:58 chris_n jwagner: you could checkout a new branch from the current head and gitdiff it and the branch in question iirc
16:58 chris_n rather just gitdiff against the master
16:58 chris_n assuming the master is current
16:58 jwagner OK, will try that when I can get back to my dev servers.  Thanks.
16:59 jwagner I was trying to set up a test on my current head server, but hadn't gotten very far
16:59 chris_n nengard: perhaps an email to the dev list enumerating the remaining sysprefs and asking those who might know to verify their obsolescence
17:00 * chris_n would hate to remove something that someone was still depending on :P
17:00 nengard I agree
17:00 nengard and will draft that email right now
17:01 chris_n jwagner: I just realized that search is probably performed against the zebra db
17:01 chris_n fwiw
17:02 jwagner Yeah, I was wondering about the indexing myself.  If I remember, it's searching acqdate
17:02 chris_n correct
17:02 chris_n I'm going to reindex and try the search again just to be sure
17:06 nengard chris_n email sending
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17:28 chris_n jwagner: I still can't reproduce the problem, sorry
17:28 jwagner OK, I'll let you know if I can get it to happen again.  Thanks for checking.
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17:29 chris_n no problem; let me know how it goes if you don't mind
17:30 jwagner Will do.
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18:19 chris morning
18:20 jwagner morning, chris
18:21 larsw hi, chris
18:21 chris hi jwagner
18:22 chris heya larsw, hows the big apple?
18:22 jwagner How go things?
18:22 larsw chris, I'll know tomorrow :)
18:22 chris ahh :)
18:23 chris jwagner: stupidly busy answering rfps, but otherwise fine
18:23 jwagner Sounds like more fun than I'm having -- stuck at home after major storm.  Power outages, downed trees, lots of fun.
18:24 jcamins larsw: Are you in NYC?
18:24 larsw jcamins, I will be tomorrow
18:24 larsw jwagner, ouch
18:24 chris jwagner: yuck .. that doesnt sound fun at all
18:24 owen jwagner: Sounds like deja vu, too
18:24 jwagner At least I finally got power back this morning (storm was yesterday), but I can't go anywhere until the garage door repairman comes....
18:25 jcamins larsw: Well, at least it's only supposed to be in the low-to-mid 90s this week.
18:26 jcamins Around 33C.
18:31 chris only??? :)
18:32 jwagner chris, it's been in the upper 90s and over 100 degrees F here for many days in a row.  Not fun.
18:37 jwagner This is a year of weather extremes -- from three major blizzards in the winter (in an area that normally doesn't get any) to early and continued abnormal heat in the summer :-(
18:41 chris yeah theres a quote in munin about that :)
18:41 owen And then there was the time the whole city flooded, froze solid, and wolves came to eat us.
18:41 chris worst movie ever!
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18:42 owen Wow, I didn't know I could get booted for mentioning the worst movie ever!
18:42 jwagner Yep, it feels like the wolves are at the door :-(
18:44 chris[…]y-after-tomorrow/
18:44 chris gave me an excuse to read old blog posts tho :)
18:45 owen chris: We would solve the unemployment problem in the US if we hired someone to tell everyone who needed to hear it "OI no, thats a ridiculous idea, go get some
18:45 owen sleep and try again tomorrow"
18:47 chris heh
18:51 owen I would need one just for me, to tell me not to eat so many cookies in one sitting.
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18:53 chris heh
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19:02 chris_n @wunder 28334
19:02 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 35.7�C (3:02 PM EDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 8%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005.0 hPa (Steady).
19:02 * chris_n hits a 40 C heat index
19:03 jwagner @wunder 20740
19:03 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 30.5�C (3:07 PM EDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Rising).
19:04 jwagner chris_n, you must be getting the weather we had yesterday :-)
19:04 owen No weather re-gifting please.
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19:08 cait hi all
19:08 jwagner I suggest we all re-gift our weather to chris -- it's winter down there, right? He'd be grateful for some warmth :-)
19:08 chris_n jwagner: its been the same for a week or more here
19:08 chris_n last week heat index was 116 F
19:08 chris_n go figure
19:08 chris_n sweat city
19:08 jwagner chris_n, yes, same here -- I think we're at 11 or 12 days over 90 with heat indexes much higher.  Sigh.
19:10 jcamins It's actually pretty cool today.
19:11 jcamins Thankfully.
19:11 jcamins The subway is unbearably hot when it's cold out.
19:22 chris @wunder wellington,nz
19:22 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (7:00 AM NZST on July 27, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
19:22 chris not too bad today
19:23 cait morning chris
19:23 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:23 munin cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.9�C (9:26 PM CEST on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Rising).
19:23 moodaepo @weather 56001
19:23 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 27.4�C (2:26 PM CDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.06 in 984.0 hPa (Rising).
19:23 * moodaepo throws his hat into the ring...sweaty hat
19:24 jcamins @weather 11105
19:24 munin jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 30.5�C (3:25 PM EDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling).
19:25 chris jcamins:
19:31 * chris will bbiab
19:32 wizzyrea @wunder 66047
19:32 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 31.4�C (2:35 PM CDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Falling).
19:39 chris Back
19:41 brendan @wunder 93117
19:41 brendan @wunder 93117
19:41 munin brendan: The current temperature in Eastern Goleta Valley, Santa Barbara, California is 17.6�C (12:44 PM PDT on July 26, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Rising).
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19:45 chris wb nengard
19:45 nengard thanks
19:45 nengard that took forever!!!!!!!!
19:46 cait your presentation?
19:54 chris Her answer to your question? :)
20:01 cait :)
20:05 nengard cait sorry
20:05 nengard i was getting an xray
20:05 nengard that's what took forever
20:05 nengard my presentation was done at 11:30am
20:05 cait ah, hope you are ok
20:05 nengard just a bit of pain and we're being cautious
20:06 nengard my momma has her hips both replaced when she was 40 and that's way way too young - i have some hip pain and we want to make sure it's not happening to me too
20:09 owen Oh no, I forgot to go home!
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20:40 chris  <--- good tips
20:40 Mathieu Hi everyone, i'm looking for help on the patron card creator, the images seem to be resized to 72Dpi, exporting the patron image makes it pixelated. I am importing them using Patron Image in the patron editor
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20:47 richard hi
20:48 Mathieu hi
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20:51 Mathieu Richard,  Can you help me with something? I'm running koha 3.2 and Patron images are being resized to 72dpi, printing the actual card makes the image pixelated, but the source image is 300dpi.
20:51 Mathieu I'm guessing the server resizes them, can I manually upload images into it?
20:51 richard hi Mathieu. sorry i'm not sure what you can do about that
20:51 richard i haven't looked at doing patron images
20:52 Mathieu alright, thank, i'll try to find a workaround
20:53 cait Mathieu: I think chris_n is the person to ask about it - he wrote the patron card creator
20:53 chris Mathieu: yeah you should be able to over write the images, once they have been uploaded
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20:54 chris i forget where it puts them
20:54 chris ill just look
20:56 Mathieu They are in SQL
20:57 chris it stores the actual image in the db???
20:57 chris eeewwww
20:57 Mathieu looks like it
20:57 chris i dont like that
20:58 pianohack Likely because anytime a web application has to write to the filesystem, god gives a kitten an extremely stern look
20:58 pianohack Seriously though, doing it smoothly and securely is difficult
20:58 chris yeah blobs in the db are just really messy, and you cant cache them
20:59 chris pianohack: yup we have to do it lots and lots for stuff
21:00 Mathieu i'm wondering what's easier, uploading a custom blob or making the script look in a folder instead of the db?
21:00 chris the latter
21:00 chris if you just key them with the borrowernumber
21:00 chris eg 12348593.jpg
21:01 chris then crafting a url to that is pretty easy
21:01 Mathieu Alright i'll go have a look at the source see if I can do anything
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21:02 chris Mathieu: it will mostly be a template change
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21:04 Mathieu chris: Where should I start looking ?
21:05 chris
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22:12 Mathieu needed to add $image->Set(magick => 'jpg', density => 300, quality => 100); into, density defaults out to 72dpi unless set
22:13 Mathieu*
22:14 Mathieu never mind dosen't change anything
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22:50 robin In case anyone is interested, my process for creating the Debian packages is documented here:[…]g_Debian_Packages
22:54 chris cool :)
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