IRC log for #koha, 2010-07-15

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01:36 CALYX hi all
01:37 CALYX I wish to edit the text re calyx services here
01:39 CALYX who should I send the changes to?
01:39 CALYX thanks
01:39 chris liz
01:40 CALYX thanks Chris
01:40 chris
01:40 chris her email is there
01:41 CALYX ok. So not just for news items... "If you would like to have your news items listed on our site, please email Liz"
01:42 chris yeah same for support listing, if you want it changed
01:42 chris if you want to get listed, you email the main mailing list
01:43 chris is it bob or irma?
01:43 chris[…]iblioth%C3%A8ques
01:43 CALYX irma
01:43 chris there you go then
01:43 CALYX hi Chris
01:43 chris a nice article in french :)
01:43 chris (With one typo .. but great news)
01:44 CALYX Absolument!
01:45 CALYX must fly ... A bientot!
01:46 chris hei konei ra
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04:02 brendan evening
04:14 chris hi brendan
04:24 * brendan - ahhh  I like the chanserver
04:24 brendan don't worry munin - you're still great too
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04:56 munin greenmang: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 29.0�C (9:40 AM IST on July 15, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 26.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
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04:59 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 21.0�C (9:59 PM PDT on July 14, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Rising).
04:59 brendan hi greenmang
05:02 greenmang hi brendan
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11:17 druthb howdy, #koha
11:19 chris hi druthb
11:23 chris[…]archives/97-.html
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11:47 Nate hello everyone!
11:47 jwagner Morning
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12:07 owen That news about software patents in NZ was the first thing I read this morning.
12:08 owen Nice to read some good news
12:08 owen I see this in the log from [my] last night:[…]iblioth%C3%A8ques
12:08 owen Has anyone heard of this SYS-TECH before?
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12:26 owen @seen |Lupin|
12:26 munin owen: |Lupin| was last seen in #koha 3 weeks, 1 day, 15 hours, 25 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <|Lupin|> chris: ok, that's nice to read
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12:50 * druthb waves to schuster
12:52 owen schuster: I saw in the log you were asking cookie questions, and as a matter of fact I do have some advice
12:53 owen Putting frosting on a monster cookie is just too much. It's not worth it.
12:53 owen It's like making rice krispie treats with fruity pebbles. Overkill.
12:53 schuster Hey Ruth...  Looking forward to our discussion today on the phone...
12:53 * druthb didn't know she'd been scheduled for one.
12:53 schuster Oh but they would be soooo colorful!
12:54 druthb (Not that I mind talking to you or anything, schuster.  It's just that no one has attempted to get onto my calendar about you.)
12:54 schuster owen - the reason I bring this up is the ability with 3 different levels and 68 schools to limit some of the default results on the opening Mainuserblock.
12:55 schuster With a cookie that is set as they go to the pac it would allow me to display/search for things specifically at their location.  So if we wanted to highlight a particular research topic and what is available or
12:56 schuster Top-use books at that particular school.  Even to change the Koha logo to their school logo...  Making it "seem" more one site ish.
12:56 owen schuster: You could do the same content swap in opacmainuserblock that the header does--showing and hiding content based on the css
12:56 schuster Not to mention my boss wants something more flashy - 21st century...
12:57 schuster owen - But that would be level specific not campus specific, but still a thought...
12:57 schuster druthb - Amy indicated that you would have a test server up and ready for me so that was what I was refering to.  She indicated that I would use the same one, and I had no idea I already had one.
12:59 druthb yep; I'm indexing right now; your test server didn't look like it'd been messed with much in a while-- really, *really* old stuff in there.  May not have all the stylesheets up and breathing by this afternoon, but will be makin' progress on that.
12:59 schuster I'm trying to work within confines and my limitations technologically on what I can do know how webwise(which isn't much...)
13:04 schuster saw the patent post wonder how that works with trademarks?
13:07 owen I don't think it has any connection to trademarks
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13:25 owen When you send a cart from the OPAC it includes a link back to the OPAC for each record.
13:25 owen When you send a cart from the staff client, should it link back to the staff client or the OPAC?
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13:29 jcamins Good morning, #koha
13:30 sekjal morning, jcamins!
13:31 schuster hmm owen - I would think the opac otherwise you would be expecting everyone to have staff access but if you build a cart in staff chances are you are sending it to a NON staff member.(teachers in my case)
13:31 owen That was my thought as well--that the staff might be sending carts to patrons
13:37 owen Lazyweb request: Can someone please create a bookmarklet that will take me from an OPAC record to the corresponding  record in the staff client?
13:39 schuster Can't the staff member just change the url at the beginning to a staff url making it change?
13:43 chris_n` is now known as chris_n
13:43 chris_n for your morning diversion: "You talk the talk, but do you waddle the waddle?"
13:45 * druthb waddles
13:57 owen hdl here?
13:58 hdl here
13:58 tomascohe hi, what script do I need for a database upgrade?
13:58 tomascohe or
13:58 tomascohe ?
13:58 owen Hi hdl, I'm curious about the moveitem script (cataloguing/ It doesn't seem to be linked to from anywhere?
14:00 hdl koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/​en/includes/        { text: _("Attach Item"), url: "/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/m​<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="biblionumber" -->" },
14:01 owen Ah, my search didn't include .inc files. Thanks!
14:02 schuster - owen your links are no longer good on this page because has secured some places.
14:02 owen Thanks schuster I'll update it now
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14:05 owen Ooh, nice clean update to the Bern Dibner Library site. I wonder who did it?
14:06 owen
14:06 sekjal owen: oooh, that is nice
14:06 owen That was my example of all-out change-everything customization, and now it's out of date.
14:06 sekjal wonder if that's custom, or standard for LLEK?
14:07 owen Looks custom, I see a lot of embedded CSS from the OpacUserCSS pref
14:08 tomascohe just found that is for stable and updatedatabase.plis for HEAD
14:08 tomascohe[…]g/koha/2009-07-25
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14:10 owen Oh, new 3.0 manual on I hadn't seen that.
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14:27 jwagner owen, that manual was written by students at Wayne State and posted on -- looks like it was also picked up for
14:28 owen It's obvious why it was chosen as the default 3.0 manual for
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15:48 owen Weird... the "New patron" menu on the circ patron selection screen stopped working
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16:25 owen Grr...
16:27 chris_n owen?
16:27 chris_n feeling ok today?
16:28 owen Tracked down the cause of Bug 5013, the cause was another commit which didn't take into account
16:28 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5013 major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, "New patron" menu button broken on circulation patron select screen
16:30 owen A patch was filed to fix a bug whree the "New patron" menu button was broken on the *patrons* home page
16:30 owen And the fix broke the menu button on the circ screen
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16:55 brendan morning
16:55 brendan @wunder 93117
16:55 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 21.4�C (9:51 AM PDT on July 15, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 15.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Rising).
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17:06 rhcl_away Hey brendan
17:06 rhcl_away is now known as rhcl
17:08 brendan morning rhcl
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17:51 pianohac1 Why in god's name would a wireless driver default to blinking an led (two, on my work laptop) for all network traffic? Does anyone know this? </rant>
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18:04 pianohack CGI797: There are ways to migrate from 2.2 to 3.0, documented on the wiki
18:07 owen-away CGI797: Can you please turn off your caps lock?
18:07 owen-away is now known as owen
18:10 pianohack CGI797: But to answer your question, YES IT WILL
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18:17 pianohack hai owen
18:19 owen Hello. I am mean.
18:36 schuster Mean - I didn't think that was in your nature...
18:37 owen yeah, but then I went and told someone to turn off their caps lock. There's no going back.
18:38 jcamins Oh, and here I was trying to figure out the literary reference. Not having ready any John Irving (and not wanting to change that), it was problematic.
18:38 jcamins *read
18:39 sekjal I've gotten to the point where my ears hurt, and I cringe, when I read all caps
18:41 owen jcamins: I resisted reading that book for a long time, but when I did I liked it.
18:41 brendan capslock--
18:42 pianohack CAPSLOCK++
18:47 jcamins owen: I went to a reading he gave while I was in college. To say I was a little disturbed by his worldview would be a serious understatement.
18:47 jcamins So I won't be reading that book any time soon.
18:48 owen I guess I'm lucky I wasn't there
18:48 jcamins Yep.
18:49 pianohack[…]#Recurring_themes (mildly NSFW)
18:49 pianohack (also... just plain weird)
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19:21 pianohack I'd like to ask some advice on custom modifications, if anyone has any :)
19:21 pianohack Trying to either send in my library's custom mods or revert them to the community way before a support handover
19:23 pianohack I created a custom inventory tool, before biblibre sent in their mods. It takes a markedly different approach to inventory to theirs
19:23 pianohack Merging the two would be rather difficult. What do you recommend, #koha?
19:23 pianohack (also a custom print notices tool, but that's so library-specific it may not be worth the effort to send it in
19:26 jcamins pianohack: As a librarian using Koha with local customizations, I would prefer to use the same tool everyone else does, if it can meet my requirements.
19:26 pianohack Okay
19:26 jcamins Check with your librarians first, obviously. Maybe they see things differently.
19:26 pianohack Good to know
19:28 chris owen you about?
19:28 owen Yes
19:29 chris bugzilla isnt hosted at catalyst, its on a linode virtual machine in texas :)
19:29 schuster pianohack - curious about how your Inventory is different?  I'm looking to "enhance" the process some in the future. and I am curious about your custom print notices and what is on them.
19:30 schuster See everything is better in Texas...:O
19:30 pianohack schuster: I will send you a couple screenshots here in the near future :)
19:31 pianohack schuster: Except the terrain. Coming from a town surrounded on three sides by hills, I could not tell the two sides of that highway near KohaCon '09 apart for the life of me
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19:32 schuster Life is a bit flat here.
19:32 schuster and if they can poor concrete on it they will.
19:34 owen Post updated. Any other comments/corrections welcome, here or on the post itself
19:34 chris very good post :)
19:36 chris bus time
19:36 schuster post? where?
19:37 owen
19:40 schuster good job...  You might change this -  It’s going into 3.2 as it would be just into the next release wouldn't it?
19:41 owen I don't know, I don't mind that it's placed in the context of now.
19:47 chris Back from the bus
19:47 schuster Just a suggestion.  In 4 weeks we might be singing 3.4 right?
19:49 chris Well bugs will still be going for 3.2
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19:50 chris For 3.2.1 and 3.2.2 etc
19:51 chris And chris_n dealing with them
19:53 * chris_n hears his name and wakes up
19:53 chris Heh
19:55 chris_n @wunder 28334
19:55 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 34.1�C (3:54 PM EDT on July 15, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 9%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1003.9 hPa (Steady).
19:55 chris_n sweat city
19:56 chris Sounds like it
19:58 chris Blue skies here and crisp
19:59 chris @wunder wellington, nz
19:59 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 3.0�C (7:00 AM NZST on July 16, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
19:59 brendan burrr
19:59 brendan @wunder 93117
20:00 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 25.2�C (12:56 PM PDT on July 15, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Falling).
20:00 brendan wow hot here ;)
20:00 jcamins @wunder 11105
20:00 munin jcamins: The current temperature in Astoria, Astoria, New York is 30.9�C (4:00 PM EDT on July 15, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Falling).
20:00 jcamins I think that's the coolest it's been in two weeks.
20:01 chris We might get one day a year that hot
20:01 chris 25 is a hot day
20:02 jcamins That's my kind of weather.
20:02 jcamins Yet more reason to want to do my PhD in NZ.
20:04 chris Come to kohacon for a sneak peek
20:04 chris :)
20:05 jcamins I can't afford it.
20:05 jcamins :(
20:06 jcamins Unless they have a last-minute ridiculous airfare.
20:06 chris Check virginaustralia
20:06 chris They had cheap deals, its a new route for them
20:07 chris_n we had a near 41 C day a few weeks back
20:07 * sekjal checks now
20:07 chris_n actually higher than that... about 42 C
20:07 chris Ok bus stop bbiab
20:08 owen @wunder 45701
20:08 munin owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 30.6�C (4:05 PM EDT on July 15, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Steady).
20:17 owen Why don't we have sensible error handling for detail pages of missing biblios?
20:17 owen ""
20:20 chris instead of the 500 ?
20:21 chris do a 404 like the opac would make more sense to me
20:22 owen The DebugLevel preference affects both opac and staff client right?
20:23 owen I get an onscreen error message if I try with a non-existent biblionumber
20:23 owen Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at /home/oleonard/kohaclone/C4/ line 1217.
20:23 chris yeah
20:23 owen And that's with DebugLevel 0
20:23 chris in the opac
20:23 chris we check the record exists, if it doesnt 404
20:24 chris in the staff, we assume it exists and proceed according and asplode
20:24 chris from the opac
20:24 chris unless ($record){
20:24 chris # If we don't have a record, get the hell out, or we will internal server error
20:24 chris print $query->redirect("/cgi-bin/koha/errors/");
20:24 chris exit;
20:24 chris }
20:24 chris we need that in
20:25 chris in fact
20:25 chris in the staff side we could redirect to a different page
20:26 chris but if we dont have a MARC::Record there is no point continuing with the rest of the script
20:26 chris thd++ # good reply to david
20:28 owen Quittin' time for me. See y'all tomorrow.
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20:32 richard hi
20:38 sekjal chris: is Halloween big in Wellington?
20:38 chris nope, not in nz
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20:40 sekjal it's one of my wife's and my favourite holidays, and I'm curious how easy it'll be to find something during KohaCon
20:41 chris yeah you might find something at a bar or something, its pretty much a non event here
20:42 sekjal okay, that's about what I figured.
20:42 chris seems like there were a few events last year
20:42 sekjal working on my travel plans now
20:45 chris 23th of october
20:45 chris[…]?event_id=5014989
20:46 chris and
20:46 chris
20:49 * sekjal is really starting to get excited about this conference!
20:52 chris cool :)
20:54 chris you saw the programme eh?
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20:56 sekjal yes
20:56 sekjal and I'm looking forward to the Hackfest
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20:59 cait hi all
20:59 chris hi cait
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21:07 cait gmcharlt++ because he was so right about memcache :)
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21:57 pianohack Woo cfouts!
21:58 pianohack community_involvement++
21:58 chris i hope he doesnt get in trouble for it
22:04 pianohack good point
22:05 * pianohack might be abusing git rebase --interactive, on a related note
22:05 pianohack I love it so much
22:05 chris it is pretty neat
22:05 pianohack s/related/unrelated/
22:06 pianohack chris: by the way, do you have any advice on what I might do with our library's custom inventory tool that goes off in a different direction from biblibre's new one?
22:07 chris definitely keep it in git, if and send me a git pull request when you want, ill put it in a new/ branch and we can get people looking/testing ti for 3.4
22:07 pianohack chris: okay, cool, sounds good
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