IRC log for #koha, 2010-07-04

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06:51 Genji Hiya
06:52 Genji Koha 3.2 master ... new install... I can't start the web portion of the install:
06:52 Genji "MarkIssueReturned" is not exported
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06:52 Genji by C4::Circulation
06:52 Genji but it is.
06:53 Genji any ideas?
07:00 Genji nevermind.. .took out the gw in accounts, for
07:02 Genji and now the problem is, its in maintence mode.. how do i install? instead of going into the web installer.. its showing me a maintianence page.
08:32 chris if you are seeing the maintenance page its the opac, not the staff side
08:33 Genji misconfigured namevirtualhost then?
08:36 chris most likely
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08:50 cait morning koha
08:51 chris hi cait
08:51 cait :)
09:08 chris cait:[…]phoenix-open-day/
09:10 cait your son likes football? :)
09:12 chris until he is old enough to play rugby :)
09:13 cait :)
09:15 cait and if he decides he likes football better? ;)
09:19 chris heh, he keeps tryin to pick it up, so i dont think there are any worries there
09:20 cait :)
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10:54 Genji keeps going to the opac virtualhost.
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18:14 cait oh no
18:14 cait hebrew records in opac are broken ... again
18:17 jcamins_a At least Koha is running.
18:17 jcamins_a :)
18:19 cait hmpf
18:19 cait sorry jcamins
18:20 cait just a bit frustrated, we need this feature for our library.
18:25 jcamins_a cait: No worries. Just trying to find the good news.
18:26 cait I think one of the last changes broke it, its supposed to look like this:[…]iblionumber=26729
18:26 cait but now everything is on the left side and the hebrew does not break correctly this way
18:29 jcamins_a cait: You're running on latest HEAD?
18:29 cait yes
18:30 cait my test installation, the library in production is on 3.1.61
18:30 cait fresh database and current head, loading more test records with hebrew now
18:32 cait jcamins_a: perhaps I was too fast, records from our catalog work fine, the problem record is from loc.
18:32 jcamins_a Which LC record?
18:34 cait this is the control number: 16010653
18:35 jcamins_a History of Greece?
18:37 cait no
18:37 cait I searched in wikipedia for the hebrew word israel and used this as search term in z39.50
18:38 cait I think the problem is the language code.
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18:39 jcamins_a Is there any 066 field?
18:40 jcamins_a Why does our catalog go down *every single day*? (that was a rhetorical question... I _really_ don't want to know)
18:40 cait jcamins?
18:40 cait go down?
18:40 jcamins_a Crash.
18:40 cait why do you think that?
18:40 wizzyrea_ crash how?
18:41 jcamins_a Oh, it's not a Koha issue.
18:41 cait you are confusing me :)
18:41 jcamins_a Sorry.
18:41 jcamins_a I was just trying to replicate what you did, and discovered that our catalog was down.
18:41 cait ah, not our catalog, your catalog
18:41 jcamins_a Our catalog is down because the network card doesn't work. It has nothing to do with Koha.
18:41 jcamins_a Right.
18:41 wizzyrea_ Ah
18:42 cait hi wizzyrea
18:42 jcamins_a I'm betting your problem is a combination of the 066 field, the 041 field, and the leader.
18:42 cait jcamins: I think I found the problem, its the way the script checks if its a rtl script
18:42 cait no, we check 880$6
18:43 jcamins_a Oh, that would do it too.
18:44 jcamins_a I forgot that you can include character set in 880$6.
18:44 cait i think not many people use those fields
18:44 cait our union catalogs use ico codes, loc use marc21 codes
18:44 cait and the xslt script uses substring...
18:45 cait i think it does not work for both codes this way
18:45 jcamins_a And it's going to get even worse, because LC is supposedly going to stop using 880$6, and just make everything repeatable.
18:45 cait ouch
18:46 cait where did you get that from? do you have a link or something?
18:46 cait they need to put a language code somewhere, but it will make things for display more complicate :(
18:47 jcamins_a That's what one of LC's Arabic catalogers said at the Middle East Librarian's Association meeting last year. I'm sure it won't happen before RDA, though.
18:47 cait no fun
18:49 cait and not good for koha
18:49 cait how do you map a repeatable 245 field to biblioitems?
18:49 jcamins_a Eww.
18:49 jcamins_a I hadn't even thought of that.
18:50 cait we did
18:50 jcamins_a I did think that eliminating the 880 was going to be a disaster, but I hadn't quite made the connection to biblioitems.
18:50 cait when we tried to figure out the best way for our hebrew records
18:52 chris wow they do some random stuf
18:52 chris f
18:53 chris lets make marc even less useful :)
18:53 jcamins_a It hasn't happened yet. It could be like many of the good MARBI proposals (and no doubt some bad ones): completely forgotten. :)
18:56 cait hi chris
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18:56 cait ok, I think the problem is here:
18:56 cait <xsl:when test="substring($code6,string-length($code6)-1,2) ='/r'">
19:00 cait jcamins: thx for your support :) always helps me to talk to someone :) and lets hope they don't kill 880
19:01 jcamins_a cait: You're welcome.
19:02 jcamins_a Argh. I still can't get the Koha installer to run under FreeBSD.
19:05 cait can offer to talk, but no nothing about FreeBSD :)
19:05 jcamins_a Unfortunately, it would seem that makes two of us. :)
19:08 cait and my xslt problem resists
19:09 jcamins_a This is MARC21slim2OPACDetails.xsl?
19:09 cait yes
19:12 cait ok, changing en files and looking at de-DE in opac does not work :)
19:16 jcamins_a Woohoo! The Makefile appears to be running!
19:16 jcamins_a So was that the problem?
19:18 jcamins_a And the Makefile failed.
19:21 jcamins_a But, it started. That's progress.
19:21 jcamins_a And changing the hostname fixed it.
19:24 cait :)
19:25 jcamins_a The general consensus is that you don't have to worry too much if there are errors in the make test stage, right?
19:25 cait I think so
19:36 jcamins_a Urk. Apache 1.3 doesn't like the RewriteCond.
19:41 larsw apache 1.3 has reached "end of life" a couple of years ago; most importantly, this means no security fixes, so upgrading to 2.2 is highly recommended
19:41 jcamins_a Yeah, but it's not my server.
19:42 jcamins_a Although perhaps the owner will install 2.2 if I beg enough.
19:50 jcamins_a larsw: Any idea if I need mod_dbd?
19:53 larsw I have no idea, I don't know what it is
19:54 jcamins_a Okay. I don't think I do. That was the only one I wasn't sure of, so I'll try it without.
19:55 chris Another crisp morning hope today is gonna be like yesterday
19:57 larsw hi, chris
19:57 chris Hiya larsw, enjoy the weekend?
19:57 larsw chris, yup
19:58 chris Can't beat wellington on a good day
20:01 chris Empty bus too, school holidays
20:16 jcamins_a wizzyrea, larsw: Any opinion on the preferred naming convention on the wiki? "FreeBSD" or "Koha on FreeBSD"?
20:17 larsw jcamins_a, I defer to wizzyrea
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20:23 jcamins_a Progress!
20:23 jcamins_a I have gotten the web server to start.
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20:25 richard hi
20:25 chris hi richard
20:25 richard hey chris
20:26 hdl hi chris
20:27 chris hi hdl
20:29 cait xslt--
20:30 jcamins_a freebsd_user_handling--
20:35 jcamins_a freebsd_user_handling++ # That was unfair of me
20:35 jcamins_a apache_configuration--
20:35 cait I just dont understand why it works for one string and not for the other
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20:40 jcamins_a Yay! I was able to access the web installer.
20:41 jcamins_a Unfortunately, I appear to have forgotten my database password.
20:48 jcamins_a Password remembered, and the web installer has come up.
20:51 jcamins_a ::sigh:: ExtUtils::MakeMaker has been installed about thirty times now.
21:00 * jcamins_a Hands out chocolate to everyone on #koha to celebrate the successful installation of Koha on FreeBSD.
21:00 chris :)
21:00 * jcamins_a wonders if Scotch wouldn't be more appropriate.
21:01 jcamins_a That was really rather painful.
21:01 cait chocolate :)
21:02 cait jcamins++
21:02 chris cait:[…]in-attrition/6031
21:02 chris see don't be scared of travelling, you will do better than this :)
21:03 jcamins_a That's fantastic.
21:03 cait chris: sure? :)
21:03 chris :)
21:04 larsw I've done worse...
21:04 jcamins_a I can't believe what I just did. I don't have a clean FreeBSD installation to test my installation procedure on to make sure that it works.
21:05 larsw there was that one time when I thought I was in the UK and was actually in the US
21:05 chris heh
21:05 jcamins_a I guess I'll put a disclaimer on the wiki saying "I think this works, but be prepared to troubleshoot installation problems."
21:05 chris cait: see and larsw made it here if he can, you can :-)
21:05 larsw cait, you should totally come to Australia
21:06 cait australia?
21:06 larsw :)
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21:06 cait dont confuse me :)
21:11 jcamins_a In case anyone ever stumbles across this log when trying to learn about installing Koha with Apache 1.3, it turns out that Koha needs Apache 2.
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21:20 jcamins_a Why would anyone want dontmerge to prevent automatically merging changes in authority records?
21:24 jcamins_a Is it possible to require patrons to log in to the OPAC?
21:24 cait no, you can always search
21:24 cait or not, not without changing something in the code
21:24 jcamins_a Okay.
21:24 jcamins_a I think someone did that... I hope they filed a bug report and provided their patch.
21:26 chris i know its a public branch, waiting to go into 3.4
21:26 jcamins_a Excellent.
21:27 jcamins_a Um.
21:27 jcamins_a This is a really dumb question.
21:27 jcamins_a How do I create patrons?
21:27 jcamins_a I know I've done it before.
21:28 jcamins_a Oh, there's the problem.
21:28 jcamins_a I had jquery blocked.
21:29 jcamins_a Never mind. :)
21:31 cait ok, will not solve this today, good night all
21:31 jcamins_a Good night.
21:31 chris night cait
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21:35 jcamins_a Ooh, looks like someone has been polishing the Z39.50 search interface.
21:38 jcamins_a How do you make the Zebra server start when the computer boots?
21:44 larsw jcamins_a, depends on the operating system; on systems using sysv init, see the init.d scripts (/etc/init.d on Debian, might be elsewhere on RPM systems)
21:44 jcamins_a Okay, that was my question. Thanks. :)
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21:57 jcamins_a Your 10-minute update on the installation of Koha on FreeBSD: I'm having Zebra problems, but otherwise progress is being made.
21:58 Aladino hola
21:59 jcamins_a Hello.
21:59 Aladino some body speak spanish
22:00 jcamins_a I do not, sorry.
22:00 Aladino thank you
22:01 Aladino do you know some chat spanish?
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22:08 jcamins_a Limiting by branch only works if you have items.
22:08 jcamins_a In hindsight, completely obvious.
22:09 jcamins_a But, Koha works just fine under FreeBSD. :D
22:36 magnus hrmpf - does anyone have any experience with using the "Offline Circulation File (.koc) Uploader" for returning items? I keep getting "Unable to determine patron from item barcode"...
22:37 chris not me
22:39 magnus chris: i thought you knew everything... ;-)
22:40 chris heh, nope ever tried the offline circ thing
22:42 magnus i have a customer that needs to return 1000s of items this week, and they find it slow going (100+ items pr record). I thought the offline thingy might help them avoid (or postpone) the slowness, but now i can't get koha to process the files...
22:46 chris they are all out?
22:53 magnus the items?
22:54 chris yep
22:55 chris it might be saying it cant find the patron, because the item isnt out
22:55 magnus ah, but they are out
22:55 magnus i have tested returning the barcodes by hand, and that works just fine
22:56 chris yeah, by hand it doesnt care if they are out or not, so was just guessing
22:58 magnus i have turned 10 by hand now, 8 were returned ok and two were "not out". the offline tool gives the same response for all of them
22:58 chris right, im out of ideas then
22:59 magnus thanks for trying! :-)
23:14 chris ah ha!
23:20 magnus que?
23:21 chris in C4/
23:21 chris there are lines referencing 'opac'
23:21 chris finally figured out why the intranet was trying to show images from the opac
23:22 magnus nice!
23:22 chris it will be a happy day when that module is burnt and rewritten
23:22 jcamins_a It certainly will be!
23:23 magnus enough midnight sun for me - g'night #koha!
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23:28 jcamins_a Yay! Koha is now running without problem on my FreeBSD virtual machine. Time to go do something that doesn't involve LCDs for the rest of the day.
23:28 jcamins_a Good night, #koha
23:28 chris cya

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