IRC log for #koha, 2010-06-11

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00:34 ray is there any configuration that i should do to let koha send email messages/notifications?
00:34 pianohackr|work Hi, ray
00:34 pianohackr|work (ray)
00:34 pianohackr|work (ray)
00:35 ray elow
00:35 pianohackr|work Can you send mails from the server koha is on?
00:36 ray i can't get it? I have a newly installed koha in my server.. what i want is to enable the sending of notifications to the email addresses of patrons when they checked in or checked out books
00:37 pianohackr|work ok
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00:37 ray do you have any idea?
00:37 pianohackr|work ray: that was a feature one company announced they were working on; not sure if it ever got submitted
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00:39 ray ahm... so you are saying that the feature of sending notifications is not included in the installer from the koha community?
00:39 pianohackr|work ray: What version of Koha are you running? (More menu at the top, then About Koha)
00:39 pianohackr|work ray: not sure, I'm investigating
00:39 ray the latest version from the community.. 3.00.06
00:40 pianohackr|work Ah, ok
00:41 ray I thought it is possible.. I already searched around and saw about nullmailer and cron jobs but i can't figure it out
00:41 pianohackr|work I _think_ it might be in the bleeding edge version, koha 3.2
00:42 pianohackr|work ray: the first part would be to make it so your koha server can send any emails at all
00:42 ray ahm.. is there any difference between the bleeding edge version and the stable version?
00:42 pianohackr|work For instance, if your email address is, try the command
00:42 pianohackr|work mail
00:42 pianohackr|work ray: yes, lots
00:42 pianohackr|work many new features
00:43 pianohackr|work Not quite as well tested, but many major libraries use it
00:43 ray hmm.. so how can i setup my mail... ok i'll try
00:43 pianohackr|work Are you on debian?
00:44 ray ubuntu
00:45 ray i'm using ubuntu desktop stripped down
00:45 pianohackr|work OK
00:46 pianohackr|work There are other chat channels, that will be able to help you with this better
00:46 pianohackr|work I'm finding a link
00:46 ray ok tnx
00:47 ray what mail server should i use?
00:47 pianohackr|work ray: Go to , enter in your username, then put #ubuntu in the Channels box
00:47 pianohackr|work ray: Between exim4, nullmailer and postfix? I would much prefer postfix
00:48 ray ahm.. have you used postfix before?
00:48 pianohackr|work Yes
00:48 pianohackr|work I use it for our library
00:48 pianohackr|work Because of... stuff, with our ISP, I have to use Dyn's Mailhop outbound service
00:48 pianohackr|work You might not have to, though
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00:50 ray ahm ok.. i'll try
01:15 ray pianohackr|work: have you enabled the email message sending feature of koha upon configuring postfix?
01:15 pianohackr|work ray: I have not tried using the particular feature you're asking about
01:16 pianohackr|work I use cronjobs to send emails for overdue and lost items, but not on checkout and checkin
01:16 ray ok
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01:17 jdavidb @roulette
01:17 jdavidb was kicked by munin: BANG!
01:17 * munin reloads and spins the chambers.
01:25 wasabi ray: ive only really used exim4...
01:26 wasabi its pretty painless to setup, so i keep using it
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02:30 Mongolia Hi all, I have ansi MARC file from Softlink Alice software. I uploaded ansi MARC file to KOHA. It worked. Now I have a problem, how we can convert our ANSI MARC file into UNICODE MARC file. Please, any suggesstion? Thank you.
02:32 Mongolia English book's MARC file succesfully uploaded to KOHA. Now we are looking information on conversion ANSI MARC file to UNICODE MARC file?
02:33 Mongolia If you have any advise or suggestion, please, send me to
02:35 chris Mongolia: you are probably better off asking on the mailing list, it has a much wider audience
02:35 chris
02:35 Mongolia thank you, Chris.
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11:41 si but for now, it should be all good - let me know if it isn't
11:41 si I'm off to walk the dogs :-)
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11:42 gmcharlt @quote random
11:42 munin gmcharlt: Quote #63: "<jwagner> But no one expects the Spammish Inquisition!" (added by jdavidb at 08:50 AM, March 01, 2010)
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11:49 jdavidb howdy, #koha!
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11:51 * jwagner is bathing in the warm fuzzy environment
11:51 Elwell si - reason for locally hosting rather than say pointing dns to freenode or equivalent?
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11:54 * jdavidb waves to kf.
11:54 kf yay, irc is back :)
11:54 * kf waves to jdavidb
11:55 jwagner Hi everyone!
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12:33 si elwell: no sensible reason
12:33 si Katipo has run its own ircd for many years
12:33 si like, about 15
12:34 si and for us it's been good to have it local to cut down no lag
12:34 si as NZ is 150ms from the rest of the Internet
12:34 si but that's not a particularly compelling argument for koha to use irc.katipo
12:35 si as most of the users are at the other end of the ircd
12:37 si I'd be neither offended nor suprised if the koha community decided to move their chat to  one of the big networks
12:37 si OTOH, I'm quite happy to continue to host it on ours
12:40 si Personally, I quite like having it here - I'd never catch up with Chris or Jo if #koha wasn't here
12:41 si I'd probably have to buy him lunch instead...
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13:00 kf @wunder konstanz
13:00 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 25.6�C (3:04 PM CEST on June 11, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Steady).
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13:12 kmkale good evening
13:12 kmkale was there a problem with the irc server earlier today?
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13:15 kf kmkale: yes, chris wrote something about it on twitter
13:15 kmkale aahh hi kf
13:15 kmkale hi jdavidb
13:15 kmkale hi chris
13:16 jdavidb hi, kmkale!  :D
13:16 kmkale so ready for the blast off WC?
13:16 kmkale I am home and in front of TV ;)
13:17 kf still at work
13:17 kf start time is 4 pm here
13:18 kmkale for us the 1st matches are perfect 7.30pm. second are a bit late 11.50opm
13:21 kmkale a quick poll of WC favourites in #koha?
13:23 kf will not say Germany
13:24 kmkale :) for me its portugal as there is no chance India will make it in my lifetime
13:25 kf I hear a lot of people say argentina
13:25 kmkale messi..
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13:28 * jdavidb is soooo not-a-sports-fan.
13:29 kmkale jdavidb: thats because you dont like brain switched off kinda actvities
13:29 jdavidb My first hint that the World Cup was coming up was that the DC City Council passed a temporary ordinance to allow bars to be open and serve booze at odd hours, to suit the folks who wanted to watch in sports bars...
13:30 jdavidb too true, kmkale.  I don't sit and passively watch things much.
13:30 kmkale gr8 councellors you got there. here the bar owners just need to take care of the police which they anyway regualrly
13:31 collum ditto on sports. I was in Kentucky for two months before I figured out that the UK stickers on people's cars meant University of Kentucky and not United Kingdom.
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13:35 jdavidb I can kind-of follow an interesting storyline that crops up occasionally in sports (like the whole Is-Caster-Semenya-a-man-or-a-woman? story recently), but the sport itself is rarely the storyline for me.  I'm ashamed to admit that I followed WCW professional wrestling for a while.  Not for the matches, which were kinda same-ol after a while, but the odd storylines.
13:40 kmkale i love to watch most sports except stuff like golf
13:40 collum I do follow the Reds and go to a game every other week.  Cincinnati also has a roller derby team, which sounds like fun, but I have not yet attended a match.
13:41 jdavidb I want to go see the DC Rollergirls roller derby some time; it looks like a lot of fun.
13:41 kmkale :))
13:42 kf jdavidb: yes, storylines are the interesting part. and sometimes it's fun to watch with friends in a public place - because of the people there
13:42 jdavidb I discovered that baseball is a lot of fun, if the CEO rents out the skybox and provides all the crab, hot dogs, hamburgers, and ice cream you care to eat...  Company parties are a win.
13:43 kmkale aww I am talking about TV here. thats when you can truly switch off your brain..
13:43 jdavidb I went to my first NBA game about three years ago, kf, and people-watching was the best part.  Watching the fans act goofy was kinda entertaining.
13:48 kf yes :)
13:48 kf i never was at a live game
13:49 kf but they set up beamers and screens here and call it 'public viewing'
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13:53 joetho good morning/afternoon/evening/night
13:53 joetho I can't find the report wiki on the new web site
13:53 joetho the one where users contributed unique reports
13:54 joetho listing the function and sql query used
13:58 kf search for report
13:58 kf thats what I did yesterday
13:58 joetho[…]L_Reports_Library
13:58 joetho searching didn't work for me
13:59 joetho but I found it listed in "Tips n Tricks"
13:59 kf 2nd result in the result list for a search with report
13:59 kf I really liked our old dokuwiki :(
14:01 kmkale kickoff :
14:02 joetho I am not used to the new one yet
14:02 joetho but I WILL BE SOON
14:03 kf positive thinking?
14:04 kf oh
14:07 kf very strange things happen when I pay my fines
14:08 kf I paid a 4.50 fine, but only 1.50 got paid - it consists of three 1.50 fines, paid again - 1.50 paid
14:08 kf so 1.50 is left
14:11 kf ok, I dont want to think about this before monday - will go home and watch the game
14:11 kf bye all
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14:21 jdavidb hi, wizzyrea_ ! :D
14:21 wizzyrea_ hey :)
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14:21 jdavidb @quote random
14:21 munin jdavidb: Quote #61: "*wizzyrea doesn't like hoity toity technical talk...<wizzyrea> wait, that's a lie" (added by jdavidb at 12:19 PM, February 24, 2010)
14:21 wizzyrea how is everyone this morning
14:22 wizzyrea haha
14:22 wizzyrea oh dear
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14:29 jdavidb doing okay, wizzyrea.  how are you?
14:30 wizzyrea just found out a dear friend is having a baby, so *brilliant*
14:30 wizzyrea :)
14:30 jdavidb :)
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15:17 jcamins I'm working on reformatting the SQL Reports page so that everything matches the template... is it okay if I leave one-line SQL statements on just one line?
15:18 jcamins My regular expression abilities do not extend to pretty-printing SQL.
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15:31 jcamins I decided to just save it. I feel it's an improvement even without pretty-printing. If others disagree, they can always revert my changes.
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15:58 jdavidb @roulette
15:58 munin jdavidb: *click*
15:58 jdavidb @roulette
15:58 munin jdavidb: *click*
15:58 jdavidb @roulette
15:58 munin jdavidb: *click*
15:58 jdavidb heh.
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16:06 pianohack Hi wizzy, rhcl
16:06 pianohack Now that I'm up during normal people hours, for some strange reason, I have a Koha question
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16:07 pianohack wizzyre-1: Yay internet?
16:07 rhcl Hey pianohacker
16:07 * jdavidb peers quizzically at this being who kinda looks like pianohacker..
16:07 * pianohack smacks the irc server
16:08 pianohack soooomeone changed the name length limit...
16:08 pianohack _ba
16:08 pianohack tomascohe
16:08 pianohack Anyway
16:09 pianohack I'm thinking of submitting our library's change of the default time period from 2daysago-yesterday to 10yearsago-today
16:09 pianohack Works better for us, but I can leave it a local patch if there's a good reason
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16:27 jwagner pianohack, if you're talking about the holds to pull list, I did the change that went from 10 years to 2 days -- Bug 2368 .  This might be a candidate for a locally-configurable setting like a syspref?
16:27 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2368 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Holds to Pull Report filters back 10 years - can it be less
16:28 jwagner is now known as jwagner_l
16:28 jwagner_l That's jwagner_lunch -- back in a bit :-)
16:57 jwagner_l is now known as jwagner
16:58 pianohack jwagner_l: I might just leave it as a local patch
16:58 pianohack We have too many sysprefs already (I wrote up most of them!)
16:59 pianohack Didn't quite understand why you wouldn't want to show old or new holds on the holds to pull list
16:59 pianohack But this could be one of those things where I'm really happier not knowing
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17:00 jwagner The complaints I got from several sites were that they run this report every day or several times a day -- they only want to see the current stuff.
17:00 jwagner The option is still there to select a longer time range, it's just not the default any more.
17:01 mib_k9uxb I can't seem to install "PDF::API2::Simple" or "Graphics::Magick".  Anyone else having this problem?
17:03 ColinC PDF::API2::Simple requires Module::Install otherwise the build fails at the first command
17:04 mib_k9uxb trying it now.  thx =)
17:07 ColinC Graphics::Magick should be installed if you install the graphics magick development libraries (i.e. it is not on CPAN)
17:10 mib_k9uxb I did a cpan install of Module::Install and then I tried a cpan install of PDF::API2::Simple and it says '/usr/in/perl Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=sit' returned status 512, won't make Running make test  Make had some problems, won't test  Running make install  Make had some problems, won't install
17:11 mib_k9uxb sorry that's /usr/bin/perl  and INSTALLDIRS=site'
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17:33 mib_k9uxb thank you for your time
17:37 ColinC mib_k9uxb: the error sounds like what you get if Module::Install is not there. can you build it in a fresh directory
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18:45 collum @wunder 41017
18:45 munin collum: The current temperature in Taylor Mill, Taylor Mill, Kentucky is 31.3�C (2:47 PM EDT on June 11, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 25.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Falling).
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19:53 chris hmm france v uruguay is turning out to be quite tense
19:59 cait hi chris
19:59 chris hiya cait
20:01 cait watching wc?
20:02 chris yup
20:02 cait bad live stream here :(
20:03 chris ahh
20:04 chris now the server is running ratbox, we can put[…]x-services-common on
20:04 chris and have an oper bot
20:05 cait ah, its better now
20:15 cait what is an oper bot? oper in german means opra, but I dont think its suppposed to sing?
20:15 cait ;)
20:16 chris one that gives ops to people
20:17 Topic for #koha is now welcome to the new shiny ircd server
20:17 chris so that there is always someone who can do things like that
20:17 cait ah
20:17 cait who gets ops?
20:17 chris probably all the regulars
20:17 chris like that
20:18 cait ooooh
20:18 chris its mainly so when we get ppl spamming, or being offensive we can get rid of them
20:18 chris so the more that have ops the better
20:18 cait my first ops
20:18 cait :)
20:18 bgkriegel hi, france 0 - uruguay 0, tomorrow is us (argentina) v nigeria
20:20 chris 1-1 sa vs mexico earlier too
20:20 chris will you get a draw too? :)
20:21 bgkriegel I expect we win
20:21 chris greece vs korea is the next match
20:21 chris yes i think you will too
20:21 chris i suspect we will lose
20:21 chris to slovakia
20:21 chris but i think we will score a goal
20:22 bgkriegel mmm, not a gret team (slovakia)
20:22 cait oh
20:22 cait you cant lose
20:22 wizzyre-1 bbl
20:22 cait nz is my joker in our company's wc game
20:22 chris ranked 78 in the world .. we are lucky to even be there :-)
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20:23 cait :)
20:23 cait but you were successful in qualification
20:26 gmcharlt chris_n_b: help
20:27 cait hi gmcharlt
20:28 gmcharlt hi cait
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20:42 pianohac1 chris: is there any way to increase the username length limit?
20:43 chris im sure there is
20:43 pianohac1 You terse kiwis might not have noticed this, but it's maxing out at 9 chars :)
20:43 chris 8 chars is more than enough for any username
20:43 chris :)
20:43 cait :)
20:44 pianohac1 Bah
20:44 pianohac1 Peer pressure
20:44 pianohac1 I might as well give into it
20:44 cait :)
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20:45 cait so easy?
20:45 chris heh
20:45 jessew Well
20:45 jessew Also a DDOS in protest
20:45 jessew but this is a start
20:45 chris we have to make a few config changes
20:45 jessew Yeah, there's always some tiny little thing like that
20:45 chris si just got this up and running because the isp cut off the other server 3 weeks earlier
20:46 chris than it was supposed to
20:46 jessew Oy
20:46 jessew si++
20:46 cait si++
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20:55 chris wb wizzyrea_
20:55 cait hi wizzyrea
20:57 wizzyrea_ thks, probably going away again though. :)
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