IRC log for #koha, 2010-06-07

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01:39 chris_n g'night
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03:39 Amit heya chris
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06:43 kf good morning :)
06:44 Elwell morning peeps
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07:01 Amit heya kf
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08:26 albertos gMonring all
08:26 albertos i have a question
08:26 albertos if someoone knows to hel
08:26 albertos i'm trying to print some labels in koha
08:26 albertos and everything is fine
08:26 albertos but!
08:26 albertos when we are trying to print some greek letters
08:26 albertos koha fails
08:26 albertos and no pdf is created
08:26 albertos the error is....
08:27 albertos Wide character in compress at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/PDF/ line 819
08:27 albertos any help?
08:28 albertos is this a limitation or something more to be configured?
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08:34 albertos anyone?
08:35 Amit heya albertos
08:36 albertos hey amit
08:36 Amit albertos: what problem r u facing
08:36 albertos when i'm trying to print some labels
08:36 albertos with greek chars on them
08:37 albertos the pdf creating fails
08:37 albertos with error: Wide character in compress at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/PDF/ line 819
08:37 albertos when i remove greek chars
08:37 albertos everything is fine
08:37 albertos but we need to print labels with greek char
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08:43 kmkale Good afternoon
08:45 albertos amit?... any suggestions?
08:48 Amit i think label will not print with Greek char
08:48 Amit it's need to convert first utf-8
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08:51 Amit heya kmkale
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08:54 albertos amit... sorry connection droppe
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08:54 Amit k
08:54 albertos what did u said?
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08:58 Amit heya chris_n
08:59 albertos morning chris
08:59 albertos can i ask u something?
09:02 kmkale hi Amit
09:02 Amit kmkale have u generate barcode in other languages
09:04 kmkale Amit: total failure so far with Marathi and Hindi using unicode
09:05 Amit yup
09:05 kmkale I am working on a css based barcode generation module for this as the problem is more with PDF perl module rather than Koha
09:05 albertos hi kmkale
09:05 Amit u mean to say outside koha
09:06 albertos same problem here (but with greek chars)
09:06 kmkale Hi albertos
09:06 kmkale Amit: No in Koha a new module
09:06 albertos is it prossible that perl mod fails becauses there are no proper fonts in the system?
09:06 Amit kmkale: good
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09:07 kmkale albertos: there has been some discusion on this in the mailing list. Please have a read through
09:08 albertos can u share me a link?
09:08 albertos trying to find something
09:08 Amit albertos it is not failed it's generate pdf only
09:08 Amit with no barcode
09:33 kmkale albertos: have a read here[…]l/3413/focus=3421
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10:00 Elwell right. Nearly done with the frickin pod warnings
10:01 Elwell Items,Matcher,Record and to do
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10:12 kmkale @weather Mumbai
10:12 munin kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai / Santacruz, India is 32.0�C (2:30 PM IST on June 07, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 28.0�C. Pressure: 29.72 in 1006 hPa.
10:15 Amit @weather New Delhi
10:15 munin Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 30.0�C (3:30 PM IST on June 07, 2010). Conditions: Widespread Dust. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady).
10:15 Amit @weather Bangalore
10:15 munin Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 27.0�C (2:30 PM IST on June 07, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 20.0�C.
10:15 Amit @weather Dehradun
10:15 munin Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 28.0�C (2:30 PM IST on June 07, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.58 in 1002 hPa.
10:15 kf Elwell++
10:15 kf @wunder Konstanz
10:15 munin kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 20.0�C (12:00 PM CEST on June 07, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
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10:48 chris_n g'morning #koha
10:50 chris_n kmkale, Amit, albertos: I just had a thought on the pdf problem
10:50 Amit hi chris_n
10:50 chris_n kmkale, Amit, albertos: you have to have the proper corrisponding font installe on your system
10:50 Amit chris_n:  on server side
10:51 chris_n and then a few coding changes would be needed to tell the module the location of the fonts
10:51 chris_n Amit: yes
10:51 Amit ok
10:51 * chris_n is not sure that that will fix 100% of the problem
10:52 chris_n but atm the module attempts to generate postscript with the basic standard western fonts
10:52 chris_n which definitely do not contain the chars of non-latin char based languages
10:52 Amit chris_n: i will try this..
10:55 chris_n Amit: I remember now why I did not add this
10:56 chris_n PDF::Reuse does not support this
10:56 Amit ok
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10:56 chris_n and we really need to move to PDF::API2 which offers more low-level pdf functions
10:56 chris_n which would allow us to embed the font in the document
10:57 chris_n which then would allow anyone to view it properly
10:57 jdavidb howdy, #koha.
10:57 chris_n g'morning jdavidb
10:57 jdavidb :)
10:57 chris_n ok, off to breakfast
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11:11 kf hi jdabidb :)
11:11 jdavidb Hi, kf! :D
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11:21 kmkale hi jdavidb kf chris_n
11:22 Amit heya nengard, jdavidb
11:22 nengard hello
11:24 kf hi nengard, kmkale and chris_n :)
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11:56 gmcharlt good morning
11:56 jwagner morning
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12:26 kmkale bye all
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12:41 chris_n back
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12:49 hilongo Hello #koha :)
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12:53 schuster Howdy from Texas with a Minnesota Accent!
12:53 jdavidb Hi, schuster! :)
12:53 * gmcharlt tries to imagine that, boggles
12:53 gmcharlt hi schuster
12:54 schuster First off I need to publicly THANK Larsw (I think that is the nick)!!!  I was able to use the Squeeze install over the weekend to get an instance of Koha up and running...
12:54 schuster WAY COOL.  For those not so techie it was great!
12:55 gmcharlt larsw++
12:55 jdavidb larsw++
12:57 chris_n larsw++
12:59 schuster larsw karma+
12:59 schuster how to do Karma?
12:59 schuster karma larsw
12:59 brendan @karma
12:59 munin brendan: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (148), "chris" (140), and "owen" (112).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-57), "failed" (-40), and "-" (-25).  You (brendan) are ranked 21 out of 861.
12:59 schuster karma
13:00 schuster @karma larsw
13:00 munin schuster: Karma for "larsw" has been increased 29 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 29.
13:00 schuster Thanks  Making a note for future use...
13:00 brendan if you want a response from munin - normally you need to put " @ " in front
13:02 jdavidb @karma
13:02 munin jdavidb: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (148), "chris" (140), and "owen" (112).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-57), "failed" (-40), and "-" (-25).  You (jdavidb) are ranked 14 out of 861.
13:02 * jdavidb wonders how on earth he ended up at a higher ranking than brendan.
13:03 * jwagner thinks jdavidb has probably been bribing munin :-)
13:03 * jdavidb figures jwagner has been bribing harder.
13:03 jdavidb hee hee...
13:03 jdavidb @karma kados
13:03 munin jdavidb: Karma for "kados" has been increased 16 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 14.
13:04 kf @karma kf
13:04 munin kf: Karma for "kf" has been increased 14 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 14.
13:04 * jwagner whistles innocently
13:08 owen Looking at collum's patch for subscription-detail.tmpl, I'm curious why the "Numbering calculation" section was hidden? Is that information not valid?
13:10 owen Hmm... Git blames Ryan Higgins, 2008-01-10
13:13 owen anyway, collum++ for the reformat. Looks good
13:19 reva chris_n: Hello, I chatted with you last week from the Bureau of Standards in Antigua and Barbuda. We are wishing to install Koha 3.0.6 for our library catalog. We run a Work Group Peer LAN over Ethernet. Our workstations are Windows XP (Service Pack 3). We will dedicate one workstation as our server. Have questions, if you can help. Thanks.
13:19 collum Thanks owen
13:19 reva owen, was that you who commented on my comment on the Koha community site?
13:20 owen Yes. Comments on the web site are not a good way to get help because not enough people follow it carefully
13:20 owen And because that's not what it's for :)
13:22 chris_n heya reva; I'm in and out today, but go ahead and ask; someone will answer if I don't :)
13:22 reva owen, sorry for scoffing the protocols. chris_n: Wanting to install Debian as virtual machine over on the workstation acting as server and installing and configuring koha 3.0.6 to work with that. Is that a good way to go?
13:23 chris_n reva: if you must run in a Win32 environment, yes, that is the only way to go atm
13:24 * chris_n is slowly inching toward a native win32 koha install, but has very little time to devote to it
13:24 owen reva: If it's going to be your Koha server, can you simply install Debian as a replacement for Windows?
13:25 reva chris_n: ok will keep that in mind about your in out schedule. Which version of Debian lends itself for virtualizing? Server Workstation: Processor speed: 2.19 GHz RAM: .98 GB (close to 1) Storage: 140 GB OS: Windows XP Service Pack 3
13:26 chris_n checkout this page:[…]irtual-appliance/
13:27 chris_n I've never used a virtualmachine with koha, but Kyle's site is the authoritative site for that
13:27 * chris_n thinks that your windows box is a little lean on ram
13:28 reva No; the windows os is mandatory as this is government office and they supply all the base software for the computers.
13:28 reva owen that last response was for your question.
13:29 reva chris_n: I did. I have even written to him in a couple of email addresses provided at his sites. But his appliance was built for version 3.0.2; so I was instead considering the virtual Debian install and Koha on that "server".
13:29 reva chris_n: was the comment about the lean on ram for me?
13:30 chris_n reva: yes
13:31 chris_n reva: you can always install a virtualmachine and then do an install of Koha on that
13:31 chris_n in that case use either debian or ubuntu
13:31 reva owen: which version of Debian would fit our "server" capacity and Koha 3.0.6 install? chris_n: I think we can expand on the RAM easily enough.
13:31 chris_n and follow the install directions in the INSTALL.debian or INSTALL.ubuntu files included in the tar bal
13:31 chris_n reva: I'd go with the latest stable version of debian
13:32 reva owen: thanks for that.
13:32 reva chris_n: ok; how much should we increase the RAM by?
13:32 chris_n I'd run a full 4GB if your hardware will support it
13:35 reva Ok; chris_n. next question: are there instructions for starting from scratch like we are trying to do? As I had been looking for ready-made solutions, I have not ferretted out the manuals for doing it from scratch.
13:36 reva owen: would it involve a lot of script knowledge to do this? I kind of know UNIX command line interrface from my days at the University (that really dates me), but forget script, etc.
13:38 chris_n reva: follow the install directions in the INSTALL.debian or INSTALL.ubuntu files included in the tar ball
13:42 reva chris_n: you mean when I download from Debian from their site, or the Kyle Hall provided appliance. In the latter case, does it allow for me to ignore the 3.0.2 included in the tarball and download and install 3.0.6? Or the tarball just installs everything w/o no customization?
13:42 reva chris_n: Or, is the virtual Debian I download a tarball file?
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13:43 chris_n reva: the INSTALL files will be in the 3.0.6 tar ball you download from
13:44 reva Oh, that solves the riddle. Thanks chris_n.
13:44 chris_n so get your virtualmachine setup and then download the tar ball, extract, and read the appropriate INSTALL file
13:45 chris_n ahh... you'll need to download the iso image of debian from the debian site
13:45 reva chris_n:Great. so the instructions for all the steps are also in the community site, correct?
13:45 chris_n when you install the virtualmachine software you can point it to that iso to have it install debian
13:45 chris_n then do the koha tar ball
13:46 chris_n reva: there are many tutorials for installing koha; some of them are referenced on the community site
13:47 reva christ_n: Ok, I will burn that on to a dvd RW disk, correct? Which virtual machine software do you recommend? VMWare or Virtual Box? Ok, got that about the instruction manual. (New to virtual anything here, so the very basic questions. Pardon me.)
13:50 chris_n I have used Virtual Box some, but cannot comment on which is best due to limited experience
13:50 chris_n here is a tutorial for ubuntu, which is very nearly the same as debian:[…]k3-on-u810-1.html
13:50 chris_n also, you don't need to burn the iso, the virtual machine will mount it in file form
13:51 reva chris_n: thanks. and thanks for the tutorial link also. Ok so it can reside on the hard drive on our "server"?
13:52 reva chirs_n: our standards officer who doubles as our resident IT person also has some experience in Virtual Box. So that should work.
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13:53 chris_n reva: yes on the hard drive question
13:54 reva chris_n: another very very basic question: what does go into production mean, when you are installing a Library Management system? Does it mean that you are installing and building a real database in it for real use?
13:55 chris_n yes
13:55 reva chris_n: got that on production. It seemed like an expression frm manufactory, that's all.
13:58 reva chris_n and owen: ok, will be starting on this by tomorrow. Will get back here as I encounter mystery. (or is it for sorcery help as Ubuntu site has it?):)
13:59 reva chris_n and owen: thanks for your patience and kind help.
13:59 chris_n reva: np, glad to help
14:13 Elwell right, stabbing-over-IP for the next person who writes bad POD :-)
14:19 chris_n Elwell++
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14:23 wizzyrea_robbed hey there
14:23 wizzyrea_robbed I have a strange favor to ask
14:24 wizzyrea_robbed does anybody have scrollback and tell me what time "wizzyrea" went offline
14:24 jdavidb I'll check the logs, wizzyrea
14:24 wizzyrea_robbed thanks :)
14:24 owen wizzyrea_robbed: Not literally robbed I hope?!
14:24 chris_n robbed??!!
14:24 wizzyrea_robbed yea, literally
14:24 wizzyrea_robbed but
14:24 gmcharlt :(
14:24 chris_n home or library
14:25 wizzyrea_robbed my comp was on IRC
14:25 wizzyrea_robbed at NEKLS
14:25 wizzyrea_robbed so we know when they unplugged my computer
14:25 wizzyrea_robbed :)
14:25 * wizzyrea_robbed has been through this before.
14:26 wizzyrea_robbed oh do the logs show disconnects?
14:26 wizzyrea_robbed I could just go look
14:26 chris_n yes
14:27 jdavidb yep.  03:40 UTC on 6 June.   (It's currently 14:29 UTC, if that helps you with time calculations)
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14:27 jdavidb That'd be..uhm...23:40 CT on the 5th.
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14:27 jdavidb er..22:40.
14:29 schuster Talk about digital investigation!  Too bad it wasn't video chat you could have gotten the culprit!
14:29 jdavidb Did they take a bunch of stuff, wizzyrea, or was it a snatch-and-grab-what-was-handy?
14:33 wizzyrea_robbed oh yea
14:33 wizzyrea_robbed they took lots of stuff
14:33 wizzyrea_robbed practically everybody's laptop, my new iMac
14:34 wizzyrea_robbed the old iMac on the tech's desk
14:34 wizzyrea_robbed our loanable Wii
14:34 wizzyrea_robbed projectors
14:34 * jdavidb is glad that NEKLS is not self-hosted, then...
14:34 wizzyrea_robbed nah, they didnt' steal any of the servers
14:34 wizzyrea_robbed too heavy
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14:35 wizzyrea_robbed only stuff that would be easy to pawn
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14:36 jdavidb ugh.
14:39 wizzyrea_robbed heh yea
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15:33 kf bye all
15:34 chris_n by kf
15:34 chris_n bye even
15:34 kf :)
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15:43 wizzyrea_robbed gah changing all of your passwords sucks.
15:45 rhcl wizzy: is there anything we can do to help?
15:45 rhcl Can you borrow enough computers from your branches to get by for a while?
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15:47 wizzyrea_robbed well, we are only staff
15:47 wizzyrea_robbed I appreciate the offer, but I think we're going to be ok
15:48 wizzyrea_robbed we have a lab full of computers
15:48 rhcl ah
15:49 wizzyrea_robbed sucky, PC computers, but they work
15:50 wizzyrea_robbed most of our stuff is in the cloud now anyway
15:53 jwagner_meeting wizzyrea_robbed, what a rotten way to start the week :-(
15:55 wizzyrea_robbed ya, it really is
15:56 wizzyrea_robbed though thanks to IRC we can pinpoint and prove when the robbery happened
15:56 wizzyrea_robbed :)
15:56 wizzyrea_robbed so that's a silver lining
15:56 wizzyrea_robbed there may be new mac hardware this week, that's a silver lining
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16:29 * wizzyrea_robbed mutters
16:29 wizzyrea_robbed I had such grand plans for this day
16:29 * jdavidb mumbles.
16:34 * chris_n suggests a laptop lock
16:35 chris_n something like:
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16:52 wizzyrea_robbed yea, I can appreciate a good laptop lock
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16:57 wizzyrea_robbed ok back later
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17:01 owen Speaking of laptops, I'm considering investing in an inexpensive PC laptop to install Linux on for Koha dev. Anyone know if I should be looking at anything in particular?
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17:12 brendan so munin has OPS now - I wonder if that means munin will start kicking people with roulette
17:12 brendan @roulette
17:12 munin brendan: *click*
17:13 owen He does, jdavidb can tell you
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17:41 rhcl owen: I have Ubuntu remix running quite happily on a Compaq Mini 110 and a Dell Mini 10v netbook. The wireless connection even works better than on XP. (Dual-boot).
17:41 jwagner gmcharlt, online?
17:41 gmcharlt jwagner: no, on a chair :)
17:42 gmcharlt what's up?
17:42 jwagner Bug 3344 says you put preliminary patches for it and 4224 on your git repo -- did these ever get finished & pushed to head?
17:42 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3344 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED, Hold priority list needs additional status for items assigned but not waiting
17:44 gmcharlt jwagner: AFAIK, the prelimiary stuff is OK to push, so I'll do so
17:44 gmcharlt NEKLS has been looking at those
17:44 jwagner OK, thanks.
17:44 wizzyrea_mib I can confirm that the changes there were good
17:51 jdavidb @roulette
17:51 jdavidb was kicked by munin: BANG!
17:51 * munin reloads and spins the chambers.
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17:51 jdavidb woo hoo!
17:53 jdavidb owen:  in re: laptops, I specifically *don't* suggest an Asus eeePC 900 as a dev platform.  I got Koha breathing on it once, mostly to see if I could.  There was a fair bit of pain and suffering involved, and it was slow as Christmas.
17:57 jwagner gmcharlt, how about Bug 3536? It says patches were sent in December, creating a syspref homeorholdingbranch, but in current head, that syspref says it will be removed soon.
17:57 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3536 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED, Checked In item requiring transfer does not consistently trigger transfer prompt
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17:58 * jdavidb waves to brendan
17:58 brendan hi
18:00 brendan chris_n++
18:00 brendan ;)
18:00 jdavidb chris_n++
18:00 * chris_n trolls for karma ;-)
18:00 brendan @karma chris_n
18:00 munin brendan: Karma for "chris_n" has been increased 60 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 60.
18:00 brendan ah that's a nice number
18:00 chris_n @karma fbcit
18:00 munin chris_n: Karma for "fbcit" has been increased 27 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 27.
18:01 chris_n ^^ used to be me as well
18:01 gmcharlt jwagner: homeorholdbrach will have to stay in for 3.2
18:02 jwagner Couldn't tell from the bug report -- was the patch in 3536 pushed to head?
18:04 tomascohen hi everyone, we're trying to figure out a strange behaviour en circulation
18:05 tomascohen has anyone been involved in IsMemberBlocked
18:05 tomascohen ??
18:06 sekjal gmcharlt: is there particular difficulty replacing references to HomeOrHoldingBranch with ones to CircControl?
18:07 gmcharlt sekjal: yes - ensuring that sufficient testing gets done to avoid unexpected chagnes to effective circ poicy during upgrade
18:09 sekjal gmcharlt: ah, okay.
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18:21 joetho owen- I like ubuntu remix too, but it is customized for mini laptops (mine is an asus 1000he). And you may want a faster processor for what you are considering- mine is 1.66 I think.
18:22 joetho I am also using jolicloud, which seems a bit slower.
18:23 brendan chris_n_bot sounds like puss_n_boots
18:23 joetho rock_n_roll
18:23 * chris_n is working on a bot to maintain some channel ops
18:40 chris morning
18:43 gmcharlt hi chris
18:43 chris_n heya chris
18:43 chris heya gmcharlt, all finished in pittsburgh?
18:44 gmcharlt yep
18:45 chris cool
18:45 chris man, stnk about nekls
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18:53 joetho heh heh heh Liz just told me the robbers to their snowleopard install disk but left the win7
18:53 joetho *took* their snowleopard etc
18:53 chris they know what sells :) everyone just copies windows anyway
18:54 joetho I called her and got her out of a staff meeting
18:54 chris nice work :)
18:54 joetho where they were discussing their plans for distributing movie license info.
18:54 joetho so it must not be that big of a crisis
18:54 chris :)
18:54 joetho plus they think they have a line on the perps
18:55 chris backups and insurance i assume
18:55 joetho backups yes, but a $5k deductible
18:55 chris stink thats like 1/100 of a mac
18:56 joetho $5,000 USD
18:56 chris ahh, in that case 1/1000
18:57 chris :)
18:58 joetho I think I have been awake longer than you.
18:58 chris hehe
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19:31 schuster by all - wizzyrea_mib hope you day/week gets better.
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19:43 chris bus time
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19:45 cait hi all
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20:03 wizzyrea_laptop is now known as wizzyrea
20:03 * wizzyrea mutters
20:03 owen No progress wizzyrea ?
20:04 wizzyrea heh, no
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20:10 wizzyrea gah blast. it's kind of like losing an arm. Or a toe.
20:11 wizzyrea i'm gonna limpy gimpy for a while.
20:11 owen Heh... I've been here:[…]ly-explained.html
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20:13 wizzyrea he
20:13 * owen has contributed enough crappy code to the world for today
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20:15 * cait thinks owen's code is great
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20:46 chris back
20:46 wizzyrea_lapt-1 heya
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20:47 larsw good morningses
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20:51 cait good morning nz :)
20:52 chris hiya cait
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22:00 cait @karma jsp
22:00 munin cait: Karma for "jsp" has been increased 0 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -3.
22:00 chris heh
22:06 cait jsp--
22:06 cait good night all
22:06 chris night cait
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22:32 chris hi mason
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23:25 wasabi heya, waves from kapiti...
23:26 wasabi end-of-year stats-reporting day
23:26 chris ahh fun :)

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