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chris |
hey what the |
| 01:46 |
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chris |
i didnt know the national library of the philipines ran Koha |
| 01:47 |
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chris |
you learn something new every day |
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CGI805 |
Hey everyone, I've got a question regarding cataloging and the MARC format, can someone spare a moment? |
| 01:55 |
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chris |
i might not be able to help, but i can try |
| 01:55 |
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chris |
you are probably better off asking a cataloguer than a developer :) |
| 01:56 |
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CGI805 |
Well, its more of a conceptual question than a library procedure question :P |
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CGI805 |
So |
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chris |
well MARC as a concept is retarded :) |
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chris |
good enough :P |
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CGI805 |
At my library, we took over all of the previous owners' books and properties - which I thought would be OK - until they decided to tear out their ILS system |
| 01:57 |
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CGI805 |
They were also nice enough to sharpie over all of the book's barcodes |
| 01:58 |
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chris |
wtf? |
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chris |
did they salt the land too? |
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CGI805 |
Haha - we were not too happy with them |
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CGI805 |
Anyways, so I am now stuck with over 4,000 properties that are not in any sort of DB whatsoever |
| 01:58 |
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chris |
right |
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chris |
they sharpied out the isbn numbers too? |
| 02:00 |
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CGI805 |
No |
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mason |
fools!!! |
| 02:00 |
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CGI805 |
But |
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CGI805 |
I assume the manufacturer's barcode is ISBN? |
| 02:00 |
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CGI805 |
If so, I am hesitant to use that because I have been told that there could be collisions between ISBN and other numbering systems |
| 02:00 |
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chris |
the isbn is a unique code publishers assign to a title |
| 02:01 |
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chris |
you certainly dont use it in place of a barcode |
| 02:01 |
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CGI805 |
I get that, but I assume that the barcode that the book leaves the printer with encodes the ISBN? |
| 02:01 |
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chris |
but the isbn will allow you to get the catalogue record for that book from somewhere like Library of Congress |
| 02:02 |
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chris |
then all you need to do is add to it your library information (shelf number, branch, barcode etc) |
| 02:02 |
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chris |
rather than recataloguing 4000 things |
| 02:02 |
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CGI805 |
Ok - that sounds like we are getting somewhere. My question is - in Koha - what is the fastest,easiest,simplest way to add each book into the catalogue on the fly? |
| 02:02 |
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CGI805 |
Or am I going about this the wrong way |
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chris |
you go into cataloguing |
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chris |
choose z3950 search |
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chris |
punch in the isbn |
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CGI805 |
I guess what I am asking is, how can I get these properties in the system so that they are visible in OPAC and the librarians can check them out |
| 02:03 |
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chris |
import the record that is right |
| 02:03 |
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chris |
then add your item information |
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chris |
and its in |
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CGI805 |
Oh wow, thats great |
| 02:04 |
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CGI805 |
Can I make Koha auto-assign barcodes to each incoming record so I can do a batch barcode export? |
| 02:04 |
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chris |
yes, you can turn on autobarcode |
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chris |
in systempreferences |
| 02:04 |
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chris |
it will just increment a number |
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CGI805 |
Ok |
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chris |
nothing fancier than that |
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CGI805 |
That's great, thank you very much for your help Chris! |
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chris |
no worries, good luck |
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CGI805 |
Have a good night |
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eythian |
Surprised they didn't set fire to the place on the way out from the sounds of that. |
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chris |
heh |
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CGI073 |
hola? |
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Amit_G |
heya lall |
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Amit_G |
heya chris |
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chris |
hi Amit_G |
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cait |
goog morning #koha |
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Amit_G |
heya cait |
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cait |
hi Amit_g |
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cait |
ok, time for work |
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kf |
good morning #koha |
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magnus |
g'day #koha |
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kf |
good morning magnus |
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Amit_G |
heya kf |
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magnus |
Guten Morgen kf & Amit_G |
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Amit_G |
heya magnus |
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kf |
hi Amit_G |
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juan |
Hi community¡¡ |
| 09:02 |
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juan |
we are testing koha with load applications |
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genji |
ooo... cool. |
| 09:03 |
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juan |
do you used or know any application to do it? we used loadrunner, but we have to test koha with another tools |
| 09:04 |
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juan |
to compare results |
| 09:05 |
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genji |
question is... what is your goal with load testing? |
| 09:06 |
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genji |
do you already have a library you want to move to koha? |
| 09:06 |
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genji |
Or are you helping with the developing, finding places where speed is lagging? |
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genji |
profiling, i think its called... |
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kf |
hi, can someone confirm that bibtex export in head is not working? |
| 10:42 |
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kf |
gmcharlt: thx for pushing my patch :) - can you take a look at the patches for bug 4208? |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4208 blocker, P1, ---, chris bigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, Many submit buttons are not translatable in 3.2 |
| 10:54 |
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kf |
gmcharlt++ |
| 10:57 |
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chris |
i confirm kf, i get a zero byte file when i do a bibtex expor |
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chris |
t |
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kf |
ah hi chris, reported as bug 4400 |
| 10:57 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4400 normal, P5, ---, oleonardmyacpl.org, NEW, BIBTEX export from OPAC results in empty file |
| 10:58 |
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kf |
gmcharlt pushed owens patch, hope he will push the other too |
| 11:00 |
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kf |
my colleague will not be happy that they are English again in our installation |
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gmcharlt |
kf: which other patches, specifically? |
| 11:02 |
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kf |
hi gmcharlt |
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kf |
http://lists.koha.org/pipermai[…]March/005872.html |
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kf |
I added the link to the bug, the patch is from hdl and I tested it with chris |
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gmcharlt |
not the most informative of patch descriptions |
| 11:07 |
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kf |
I tried my best to keep the bug updated, but should have opened another but for the opac-detail problem |
| 11:08 |
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gmcharlt |
not your fault |
| 11:12 |
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kf |
I will test it later when i'm at home (cant update our installation here) |
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kf |
gmcharlt: sorting through my bugs and mails today - I found another patch that is not in HEAD yet: http://lists.koha.org/pipermai[…]March/005893.html |
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kf |
gmcharlt++ |
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jdavidb |
Howdy, #koha. |
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chris_n |
g'day #koha |
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kf |
hi jdavidb and chrisn |
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jdavidb |
:D Hi, kf. |
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kf |
chris_n |
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jdavidb |
ls |
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* jdavidb |
grumps, and switches back to the other window |
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chris_n |
lol :) |
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jdavidb |
More caffeine, like a motion to adjourn, is almost always in order. |
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kf |
ok, will start my weekend now :) bye! |
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hilongo |
hello everyone! :) |
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hilongo |
does anyone know of a bug that prevents that the system show the name of the patron who has a book on loan with independant branches 'on'?? |
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hilongo |
that is.... when the patron belongs to another branch :) |
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ebegin |
good morning |
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chris_n |
have I missed something? |
| 13:48 |
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chris_n |
"Koha includes many customer-commissioned development features, including several highly-anticipated academic library requirements, such as course reserves, expanded acquisition tools, and enhanced searching for music collections." |
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schuster |
Depends on where you are seeing that from... :) |
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tries on several pairs of glasses and still cannot seem to see it that way ;-) |
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chris_n |
heya brendan |
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brendan |
heya chris_n |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
chris_n where did you read that? |
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thinks she can guess. |
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chris_n |
wizzyrea_laptop: http://www.liblime.com/news/li[…]migration-to-koha |
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schuster |
those are "in development" not necessarily deliverable. |
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schuster |
Question about 3.2... I see from what I can tell in Bugzilla - there are 16 Blockers, and several of those have patches pushed. |
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schuster |
Do we need the bug wrangler to get involved? |
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schuster |
I'm trying to figure out what I can do to help move 3.2 into a BETA stage release. |
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gmcharlt |
schuster: it's up to people to take up blockers and work on them |
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chris_n |
bywater_git_hosting++ |
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chris_n |
schuster: the point is that Koha does not have these features :) |
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cait |
hi #koha |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
hey cait |
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cait |
hi wizzyrea |
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schuster |
question on the intranet-tmpl - for reserve/request.pl - when placing a hold it defaults to first available with the checkmark - what would I need to change so the librarian would HAVE to put the checkmark there? |
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schuster |
or the box would be blank? |
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* owen |
is jquerying... |
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owen |
schuster: Your goal is to make the user choose a specific copy? |
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schuster |
Yes |
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cait |
owen: testing your patch, still a lot of error messages when updating po files, but po file looks better |
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owen |
I'm happy to look at other errors you find |
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cait |
owen: thx :) |
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cait |
owen: translation really looks better! but still a lot of missing strings. not sure how to get those errormessages together. open a new bug for those template problems? |
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owen |
Yeah, it might be good to open an "omnibus" translation error bug report |
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cait |
uh |
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cait |
just tried to export in ris or bibtex to confirm my earlier bug report, got a perl error message :( |
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cait |
now all export formats are broken, this is not getting better |
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cait |
Can't locate Text/CSV/Encoded.pm is this a missing perl package? |
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chris_n |
cait: yes |
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chris_n |
Text::CSV::Encoded |
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works on setting up a new dual quad-core xeon box |
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cait |
chris_n: thx :) it works now |
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* cait |
is fighting translation bugs with minimal success |
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CGI481 |
Hi everyone, I'm having problems with Z39.50 searches on my Koha installation, can anyone help? |
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cait |
we will try :) |
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CGI481 |
Thank you, OK so |
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CGI481 |
I have the default servers setup as shown here http://koha.org/documentation/[…]rs/z39.50-servers |
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CGI481 |
But I have tried searching for Stephen King's book 'Coffey on the Mile' |
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CGI481 |
I have tried via ISBN and title, and gotten no results |
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cait |
are you behind a firewall? |
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CGI481 |
I am not |
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CGI481 |
Neither on the router, nor the computer accessing Koha |
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cait |
ok |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
what about the server |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
is it behind a firewall? |
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cait |
ah wizzyrea thx |
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CGI481 |
Ok, let me disable iptables real quick on the server |
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CGI481 |
Ok, all firewalls are off and I am not getting any results |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
hm |
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owen |
I've heard recommendations to try the yaz-client from the command line in this situation but I don't know the details |
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CGI481 |
Hmm |
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CGI481 |
It doesn't look like I have yaz installed on the server |
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cait |
this could be the problem |
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CGI481 |
:) |
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CGI481 |
I also just noticed in the docs that the z3950 daemon must be started, and I can't find that on the server either |
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CGI481 |
SO I will go try and it work both of those out, thank you both for your help! |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
http://old.nabble.com/z39.50-s[…]32.html#a26755632 |
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slef |
hi all. I'm having a bad day and I'm tempted to reply to the all your koha.org belong to us email. |
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cait |
you want us to stop or to encourage? ;) |
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slef |
as you feel ;-) |
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CGI481 |
I actually have to run and get a friend at the airport, but thank you! |
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CGI481 |
Have a nice day |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
sure stop by anytime |
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slef |
oh and do companies using "koha" in their commercial domain name still get dropped from the Paid Support list or not? |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
idk, ll was the main objector to that and now they are one and the same so... |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
well, one among several |
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owen |
Perhaps something to bring up at the next community meeting? |
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chris_n |
slef: it is in clear violation of community policy |
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slef |
perhaps... I can't remember if we mentioned this one before |
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cait |
is the community policy on koha-community.org? |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
omg, no it isn't |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
can anyone point me to something I can copy? |
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slef |
no, which is why I was asking |
| 17:17 |
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chris_n |
but it is on koha.org... right? |
| 17:17 |
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* wizzyrea_laptop |
goes to look |
| 17:17 |
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cait |
I did not know about it for a long time and we had some servers using koha. |
| 17:17 |
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chris_n |
if not, it is in the list archives |
| 17:18 |
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chris_n |
aamof, the community has been down this road before with ptfs |
| 17:18 |
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cait |
just want to say that people need to know about them :) |
| 17:19 |
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slef |
chris_n: how did you know it was ptfs again? |
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chris_n |
www.kohails.com |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
we are psychic |
| 17:19 |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
and that |
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brendan |
kohadigitallibrary.org |
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slef |
chris_n: not the domain I was thinking of, though. www.koha-ptfs.eu |
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owen |
http://www.kohails.org/ |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
oh great |
| 17:20 |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
but LL took kohalibrary.com |
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chris_n |
http://www.kohadigitallibrary.com/index.html |
| 17:20 |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
oh wow, this is a full court press isn't it |
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chris_n |
looks like a full-fledged rebellion imho |
| 17:21 |
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owen |
It certainly appears that PTFS has decided that with LibLime under their control they don't need to please anyone anymore |
| 17:21 |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
I think you mean with koha.org under their control |
| 17:21 |
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slef |
Well, do they? What can we do except junk years of publicity by renaming? |
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* wizzyrea_laptop |
sighs |
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slef |
As you know, I'm up for a fight and I think the rest of the co-op are too, but we're small fry and have no salesmen or marketers. |
| 17:22 |
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owen |
I noticed in their latest press release they're not even using "LibLime Enterprise Koha," just "Koha" |
| 17:23 |
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slef |
(as you may have noticed... a marketer would probably have banned me from emailing certain things long ago ;-) ) |
| 17:23 |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
yea |
| 17:23 |
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chris_n |
I emailed them about that one |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
to owen, not slef |
| 17:23 |
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slef |
wizzyrea_laptop: I guessed that, but best make it clear in logs ;-) |
| 17:24 |
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slef |
perhaps we should make a "koha rebellion edition"? ;-) |
| 17:24 |
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chris_n |
it sure has all the trimmings of a hostile takeover |
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chris_n |
slef: lol |
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owen |
So much for optimism. |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
and yokely has stated that koha needs governance |
| 17:24 |
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slef |
Koha 3.2: Insurrection |
| 17:24 |
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chris_n |
hehe |
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owen |
:D |
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nengard |
owen is it fully-managed koha |
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slef |
wizzyrea_laptop: Where and did it include the letters BOGU? |
| 17:24 |
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nengard |
cause i'm thinking that's the same |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
it was in that podcast he did with nengard a while back... lemme look |
| 17:25 |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
maybe she has a link at her fingertips |
| 17:25 |
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slef |
oh yeah, I read something about that recently |
| 17:25 |
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slef |
I have a link nearby |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
insurrection... lol |
| 17:26 |
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* chris_n |
reads slef's shameless self-promotion ;-) |
| 17:27 |
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slef |
http://librarianinblack.net/li[…]0/04/vendors.html |
| 17:27 |
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slef |
chris_n: I said I was in an odd mood. |
| 17:27 |
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slef |
actually no, I said I was in a bad mood |
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slef |
I think having a vendor-free open day is wrong, but I think it probably helps us in that case (we have no spare workers in London at the moment, so it would be a tired slef trekking in from Somerset) |
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slef |
You know how much I love splitting the world into users and vendors |
| 17:29 |
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slef |
as in, not at all |
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slef |
There's a bit of HHGTTG about that, isn't there? |
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nengard |
yokley stated that he wants a company to be in charge of governance not the community |
| 17:30 |
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nengard |
that's what we went back and forth about |
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chris_n |
so what's the diff? |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
looks like he's determined to get his way |
| 17:30 |
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nengard |
in that podcast |
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nengard |
getting the url in case you all missed it |
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slef |
nengard: I don't think having a company in charge is a problem. I suspect he wants *his* company in charge, which would be awful. |
| 17:31 |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
it's like WP and automattic |
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nengard |
i think it should be a non profit in charge |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
^^ |
| 17:32 |
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nengard |
someone who has nothing to gain |
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slef |
Haven't we already put HLT in charge? |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
but they have a foundation too |
| 17:32 |
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nengard |
looking out for the best interests |
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chris_n |
as I've always said, his customers will vote with their money |
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nengard |
as i said in the podcast |
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nengard |
my wifi sucks here - but you can find it here: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t[…]ezAbHzwlQ7DQih8mw |
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nengard |
ick |
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nengard |
http://librarygang.talis.com/ |
| 17:32 |
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nengard |
and look for the most recent open source talk |
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slef |
chris_n: so our challenge is getting a fair hearing for the cooperators |
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slef |
"By a curious coincidence, None at all is exactly how much suspicion the ape-descendant Arthur Dent had that one of his closest friends was not descended from an ape, but was in fact from a small planet in the vicinity of Betelgeuse and not from Guildford as he usually claimed." |
| 17:34 |
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slef |
bbc.co.uk/radio4 dissecting #leadersdebate |
| 17:37 |
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slef |
yes, my link was wrong - sorry about that |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
I wish there were a punctuation mark that was half way between a period and an exclamation point |
| 17:39 |
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chris_n |
heh |
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jwagner |
Folks, with regard to the various PTFS-bashing :-( going on, let me say a couple of things. And remember I'm not authorized to speak to definitive decisions or anything. We just took on over a hundred new customers with a large number of outstanding helpdesk tickets that have to be dealt with first. We also have a whole bunch of new development needs to analyze and work on. |
| 17:39 |
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jwagner |
The web site is on our list, but it can't be near the top. We finally allocated some time for someone to at least open up the press release portion, which appears to be what started this. |
| 17:40 |
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jwagner |
I think there's some tone-deafness and some willingness to assume the worst on both sides. Please don't jump to conclusions so rapidly. |
| 17:40 |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
actually, I think the www.kohails.com change is what really started it |
| 17:40 |
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chris_n |
jwagner: with all due respect, there is a bit more going on here than meets the eye |
| 17:40 |
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owen |
jwagner: We understand you're caught in the middle of this, but here's our concern: Someone at PTFS had to take action to remove the redirect that pointed http://www.kohails.org/ to http://koha.org |
| 17:40 |
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chris_n |
changes *are* happening |
| 17:40 |
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chris_n |
just in the wrong direction |
| 17:41 |
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chris_n |
what owen said |
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jwagner |
I'll pass that on. |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
(we're not mad at you jane) |
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chris_n |
ditto |
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* jwagner |
hides under the table |
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* wizzyrea_laptop |
hugs jwagner |
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* chris_n |
hands jwagner a box of chocolate covered donuts |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
(share with jdavidb, lol) |
| 17:42 |
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chris_n |
wb brendan... again ;-) |
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brendan |
wireless is bad here :) |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
afk, executing nap time for kiddo |
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* nengard |
hugs jwagner too |
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cait |
ok, can I interrupt with a newbie question? I have a dev install and want do update the translator files in my koha-dev folder... just copy them from kohaclone or is there a better way? |
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* cait |
hands jwagner some coffee for the donuts |
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slef |
Depends what update you want to do, but git pull? |
| 17:45 |
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cait |
I did git pull, I want to test a patch for translator scripts |
| 17:45 |
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cait |
but I normally use the scripts in koha-dev folder, which is not in git |
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slef |
I think the problem remains that no-one from PTFS who *is* authorised has talked to the community much. I'd still appreciate formal withdrawal of the last year's legal threat, although I know I'm in a minority. |
| 17:46 |
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chris_n |
legal threat? |
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slef |
cait: erm :-S |
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slef |
chris_n: oh whoops did I just make that public for the first time? |
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chris_n |
cait: copying maybe the most straightforward method |
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slef |
There is a reason why I hated the koha-manage list. I struggle to remember what is secret. |
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chris_n |
heh |
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slef |
My memory is terrible, so I'm not suited for mixed development. If a project is private, I'm OK. I've a project is open, I'm OK. If it's mixed, I mess up. |
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chris_n |
nothing like breaking news |
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cait |
slef: erm? |
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cait |
chris_n: thx |
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slef |
OK, now that I've said it: on 30 Jan 2009, John Yokley emailed me to say part of the "Regrets Failure" press release was "not true" and that he was "prepared" to turn it into a "legal issue". That's why I've generally not interacted directly with PTFS, Inc workers. |
| 17:54 |
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nengard |
wizzyrea i have updated the manual again |
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slef |
I've no "willingness to assume the worst". It's just recognition of what was already done. |
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nengard |
i forget if it was yesterday or today that you were pulling the update to the website |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
kk will go grab it |
| 17:55 |
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wizzyrea_laptop |
today |
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* jdavidb |
returns to his desk, reads the backlog, and wants a donut. |
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cait |
ok, another question: can I write the output or tmpl.process3.pl in a txt file? |
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chris_n |
man does ubuntu lucid boot fast |
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* chris_n |
hands jdavidb one |
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slef |
cait: output as in the error/warning/other messages? |
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slef |
cait: if so, put ">outputfile.txt 2>&1" on the end of the line |
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cait |
slef: thx, will try that. |
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slef |
cait: I assume bash or similar shell. |
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cait |
slef: I wanted to catch the output of translator scripts I start from command line |
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slef |
cait: you can probably also " >outputfile.txt 2>errorfile.txt " if you want to keep the output and the errors apart |
| 18:20 |
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cait |
ah, I think this is why I just gut "seems successful" when I tried >error.txt |
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slef |
2>&1 simply means "add errors to regular output" |
| 18:21 |
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slef |
yes, each command-line program has a standard input, a standard output and a standard error channel |
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slef |
unless someone tells it otherwise ;-) |
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slef |
I could get into non-linear pipelines now, but then I'd have to kill me. |
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cait |
thx :) I added it to my linux wiki page - so I dont forget it |
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slef |
one gotcha: 2>&1 must come *after* you redirect output |
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cait |
noted |
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joetho |
liblime customers are are now trained to assume the worst. |
| 18:24 |
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slef |
I should sell Linux courses. Oh wait, we used to and no-one came ;-) |
| 18:25 |
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slef |
there are some downsides to only having workers, no salesmen |
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cait |
slef: I could need one |
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cait |
owen: http://pastebin.com/KbG1fCRm errors from tanslator for opac |
| 18:29 |
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slef |
cait: well, if you do and are looking to buy, let us know ;-) |
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owen |
cait: The same Syndetics and Librarything errors again. |
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nengard |
joetho that is so the wrong way things should be |
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nengard |
:( |
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nengard |
okay all - heading to airport to go home!! |
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jwagner |
joetho, we're working on retraining :-) That's why helpdesk tickets are at the top of the priority list. |
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cait |
slef: with the flight it might get a bit expensive :) |
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slef |
I can answer line 68, &systype probably should be &systype |
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slef |
cait: ITYM train |
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cait |
owen: yeah, not sure what makes it so unhappy - but: opac-detail translation looks a lot better now. only xslt translation is still missing |
| 18:32 |
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cait |
and I got my submit buttons all translated :) |
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owen |
I've got to hear more about jwagner's problem with my patch before I can address these problems |
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jwagner |
owen, I can't tell if the problem was with your patch or with trying to use a Syndetics ID from another site. |
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cait |
just wanted to let you know, will update bug now |
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slef |
Is it because HTML::Template's pseudo-SGML causes confusion with the template's real SGML? |
| 18:33 |
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slef |
I think that whoever decided to use SGML comments for HTML::Template instructions needs their bumps read. |
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cait |
i will open a new bug for xslt translation, so we can close it when syndetics is tested |
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owen |
slef: As I understand it it's a problem with gettext |
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owen |
...and we had to switch from <TMPL> to <!-- TMPL --> in order to accomodate gettext |
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slef |
owen: odd. It looks like a problem with the template tags. |
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owen |
slef: it's a problem with embedding TMPL_IF inside an HTML tag |
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slef |
sure it's not a problem if a TMPL_IF branch containing half an HTML tag? |
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slef |
s/if/with/ |
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owen |
Yes, you put it more correctly. |
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slef |
test it like this: |
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slef |
opac-readingrecord.tmpl: line 58 |
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slef |
can we move the <img src=" before the <!-- TMPL_IF ... --> |
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slef |
and delete it from both branches? |
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* slef |
looks that up on a source tree |
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owen |
Well, I know we can't do this: <option value="something" <!-- TMPL_IF name="selected" --> selected="selected"<!-- /TMPL_IF-->> |
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slef |
indeed... because gettext is reading it only as SGML |
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slef |
actually, opac-readingrecord.tmpl: line 58 is going to be very awkward to refactor into valid SGML in my copy :-( |
| 18:40 |
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owen |
slef: see the patch I submitted for Bug 4208 yesterday for opac-detail.tmpl |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4208 blocker, P1, ---, chrisbigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, Many submit buttons are not translatable in 3.2 |
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slef |
looking |
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owen |
We *might* be able to eliminate a couple of those IFs, assuming it doesn't break the Syndetcs URL... which it might. |
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slef |
looks better... bugs like this are painful, so all credit for fixing it |
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owen |
So slef, your preference would have been that we use a different delimiter for HTML::Template markup? |
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slef |
is "try to avoid TMPL_IFs inside tags" in our style guide? |
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slef |
owen: I wonder if Processing Instructions (like <?htp ... ?>) would break fewer tools. |
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* slef |
hunts the style guide |
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slef |
owen: but I think this is an argument i lost a few years ago |
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* slef |
adds it to the style guide |
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* owen |
doesn't remember the argument, just remembers that the <TAG> formatting worked better with his HTML-editor |
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cait |
bug 4403 |
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munin |
Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4403 blocker, P5, ---, chrisbigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, XSLT files not translated |
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owen |
Being able to find a matching ending tag was very useful |
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slef |
owen: argument was with HTML::Template upstream IIRC |
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owen |
I see |
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* owen |
supposes template toolkit will change things? |
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slef |
I don't remember :-/ |
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cait |
owen thy again for your help yesterday! owen++ |
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cait |
and slef++ |
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slef |
aww thanks |
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slef |
owen: you should use wily as editor ;-) right-click TMPL_IF to skip to the /TMPL_IF |
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slef |
actually, that's not perfect |
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slef |
it skips to next appearance of the text by default ;-) |
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slef |
dinner :) |
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owen |
weekend :) |
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* cait |
closing bugs :) |
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brendan |
@wunder 93117 |
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munin |
brendan: The current temperature in ASOS_HFM SANTA BARBARA, CA, Santa Barbara, California is 16.1�C (1:35 PM PDT on April 23, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Steady). |
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brendan |
@wunder grand rapids, mi |
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munin |
brendan: The current temperature in WXGR.NET, Grand Rapids, Michigan is 19.4�C (5:03 PM EDT on April 23, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Falling). |
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cait |
good night #koha |
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brendan |
night |
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