IRC log for #koha, 2010-04-12

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03:25 Amit_G heya all
03:25 Amit_G hi chris
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07:25 kf good morning all
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07:34 chris evening
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10:29 chris_n g'morning #koha
10:31 chris you're up early chris_n
10:33 chris_n yeah, just thought I'd check the weather and news before breakfast
10:53 Amit_G heya chri_n
11:07 kf @wunder Konstanz
11:07 munin kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 7.0�C (1:00 PM CEST on April 12, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
11:08 kf hm i have an item with status "not for loan" in opac and "available" in staff, notforloan is 0 and other items with this item type show as available
11:09 kf someone an idea?
11:10 Amit_G @wunder Bangalore
11:10 munin Amit_G: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 35.0�C (2:30 PM IST on April 12, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: 16.0�C.
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11:51 kf found it 942 was set to an item type that is not for loan... but we have itemlevel-itypes on - it should not matter?
11:54 Amit_G @wunder Bangalore
11:54 munin Amit_G: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 35.0�C (2:30 PM IST on April 12, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: 16.0�C.
11:54 Amit_G @wunder New Delhi
11:54 munin Amit_G: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 41.0�C (5:00 PM IST on April 12, 2010). Conditions: Unknown. Humidity: 11%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
11:54 jwagner kf, I've run into problems before with the 942c not being set properly.  Somewhere in the code things are still referencing it instead of the item-level itype.
11:54 Amit_G @wunder Dehradun
11:54 munin Amit_G: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 37.0�C (2:30 PM IST on April 12, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 13%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa.
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12:07 kf jwagner: harrumph.
12:08 jwagner kf, I'll see your harrumph and raise you a growl :-)
12:08 kf jwagner: growl is more than harrumph?
12:09 jwagner If it's a Monday, yes.
12:09 kf jwagner: next thing is, I think it does not use the classification setting from sys prefs...
12:10 kf its ddc in 942, although z it set in sys prefs...
12:11 kf mondays are evil.
12:12 jwagner I can agree with that....
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12:14 owen Good Monday to you #koha
12:15 jwagner owen we were just agreeing that Mondays were evil :-)
12:15 kf hi owen
12:15 kf monday--
12:15 kf @karma monday
12:15 munin kf: Karma for "monday" has been increased 0 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -2.
12:15 jwagner @karma Monday
12:15 munin jwagner: Karma for "Monday" has been increased 0 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -2.
12:15 owen well, then it can't hurt to hope for a good one :)
12:15 jwagner monday--
12:15 kf @karma Monday
12:15 munin kf: Karma for "Monday" has been increased 0 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -3.
12:16 jwagner Looks line munin is not case sensitive -- I'd wondered about that.
12:16 owen monday--
12:16 owen Monday++
12:17 kf @karma JwaGneR
12:17 munin kf: Karma for "JwaGneR" has been increased 22 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 22.
12:17 jwagner kf in your 942 problem -- I missed the beginning.  Are you seeing issues in the OPAC?
12:17 kf issue = item?
12:17 kf the item looks fine, just the status is wrong
12:17 jwagner Sorry, no -- issue = problem.
12:17 kf ah
12:17 kf I solved it now by setting 942 to NORMAL which is for loan
12:18 jwagner I'm working what may be a parallel problem.  There are cases where a title has both a physical copy and an electronic version.  The hitlist doesn't always display both (sometimes neither).  I just got one of them to display by setting the 942c.
12:18 jwagner Are you using XSLT for results list in OPAC?
12:18 kf I will do some tests in our 3.2 installation later (its broken right now...)
12:19 kf the result list in opac?
12:19 jwagner Yes.  Mine display OK without XSLT.
12:19 kf I have a bug in xslt to fix there - it does not show items when there are links in 856
12:19 jwagner Oh, good, it's not just me :-)
12:20 kf library is unhappy about that, we have a lot of catalog enrichment links from union catalog
12:20 kf tocs, covers, abstracts
12:20 kf I have a long todo list for xslt, but its a time problem
12:20 jwagner But it's not always the case -- some titles with both hardcopy and 856 do show both in the results list.  I have a test server example that I was going to post today to see if anyone had any ideas.
12:20 kf hm
12:21 jwagner See[…]
12:21 kf have you looked at the xslt yet? if there is a condition involved? my colleague told me that there are subfields indicating if its a full text or enrichment
12:21 jwagner It's definitely somewhere in the XSLT -- works fine without it on.
12:21 kf hm i like the color :)
12:21 jwagner I think it's to do with how XSLT defines available.
12:22 kf have you examples for no 856 and items missing?
12:22 jwagner # 1, 4, 8, 9, 12, and 13 have both hardcopy and 856
12:22 jwagner #14 did also -- that's the one I just edited the 942c and now it's suddenly showing both.
12:22 kf is this current head?
12:23 jwagner No, this is a bit older.  I replicated the problem in current head, though.
12:23 kf our installation is 3.0.61 and there its only showing 856 and no items, but you have nothing shown
12:23 kf interesting
12:23 jwagner Funny thing with this list -- I also edited #1's 942c, but it didn't make both the hardcopy & 856 show.  Why did it work for #14 but not #1?
12:24 jwagner I just did some work customizing things for this site, and to get around the problem, in the XSLT results page I moved the hardcopy item display to before the 856 display (and put on a separate line because it looked cleaner).  When I do that, both show up just fine.
12:25 jwagner This particular codeset is pretty old, actually --  Same problem happened at .061, and as I said, I replicated it at currnt head.
12:27 jwagner To see the "fixed" version, look at their production server[…]
12:27 kf[…]schland&offset=26
12:29 kf have you changed the availability display too? so that it shows the location?
12:30 jwagner On the live server?  Yes, that was one of the customizations they wanted.  Shelving location, change the call number display & count wording, a few other things.
12:31 jwagner But until I switched the order of the XSLT "availability" listings, it had the same problem -- either 856 would show but not physical item, or neither would show.
12:32 jwagner kf, have you opened a bugzilla entry on this one yet?
12:32 kf in our 856 shows and no items
12:33 jwagner I was trying to gather some more information before creating a bug report, but if you have one, I can add to it.
12:33 kf no *hides*
12:33 * jwagner sees kf hiding under that desk. Come out, you!
12:33 * jwagner says, either that or let me join you :-)
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12:34 kf *tries to change her color to the color of the carpet*
12:34 kf ;)
12:34 jwagner It won't work, I tell you!
12:35 * jwagner coughs. To return to the subject at hand....
12:36 jwagner It doesn't seem to matter what the item type is (reference or circulating), and I haven't picked up a pattern yet for why some things show & others don't.
12:36 jwagner I have seen some titles in the same catalog show both, just don't have an example right now.
12:38 kf I only have one case so far
12:38 kf when there is 865 no availability is shown
12:38 jwagner AHA -- found an example.
12:39 jwagner[…]+higher+education -- #8 and 9 show both,
12:39 jwagner Also # 19.  Those are all reference, but I know I've seen this with for-loan items as well.
12:39 kf strange
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12:45 kf jwagner: I have no idea. :(
12:45 kf jwagner: and I found my next bug today: scan index cant show ß in result lists
12:46 jwagner Hmmmm.  Maybe I'm misremembering. For #19 on that list, I did some testing.  It originally had no 942c and two items, both with a ebook item type (non-circ).
12:47 jwagner I changed things in steps, running zebra after each change.  (setting 942c to ebook, setting one item to regular book, removing 1st item which was ebook, setting 942c to regular book).  The change that made the hardcopy disappear was changing the one remaining item to a regular book.
12:47 jwagner That would seem to indicate the problem is with circulating item types.
12:48 jwagner When I set the item's itype back to ebook, it reappears on the hitlist.
12:49 kf makes sense
12:50 kf I think most of our items are circulating, so I perhaps never saw a case like that
12:51 jwagner Do you want me to go ahead with creating the bugzilla report?
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12:53 kf please! I will try and add to it if I find out more
12:54 kf must work on my presentation today
12:55 jwagner Just replicated the same sequence in a current head system-- changing item type to ref made it show up.
13:02 kf 942--
13:03 jwagner OK, Bug 4385
13:03 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4385 enhancement, P5, ---,, NEW, With XSLT on, results list doesn't show both hardcopy and URL availability
13:04 jwagner I've looked at the XSLT stylesheet code a bunch of times, but I can't see the problem.  Maybe someone else can.
13:05 jwagner XSLT--
13:06 owen Poor XSLT, it's just misunderstood :(
13:07 jwagner Gee, Officer Krupke....
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13:11 jwagner So, owen...  Dare one ask WHY you're playing host to ducklings???
13:11 owen You know...for kids!
13:11 CGI602 Hello everyone
13:11 owen Hi CGI602
13:11 CGI602 anybody who has experience importing patrons record from active directory?
13:11 CGI602 Hi Owen
13:11 jwagner owen, I thought maybe you were just planning ahead for dinner :-)
13:15 * owen would never do such a thing to Flippers and El Machismo
13:18 kf owen++
13:20 jwagner Are these just temporary houseguests, or permanent additions to the family?
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13:21 owen Two-week houseguests. Then they go live on a farm with other ducks.
13:21 CGI602 I am new
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13:21 owen Sorry CGI602, we've heard your question, but I don't think anyone here at the moment has an answer
13:22 wajasu downloaded koha alpha. i cd into misc/translator, and run ./ and it wants C4/  which seem to be two directories higher. i added a symlink to it to get it to run.
13:22 kf wajasu have you set the environment variables?
13:28 wajasu no.  before the build?   I just untarred the and followed the instruction at[…]ha-3-2-available/
13:31 kf I just thought that perhaps you will not need the symlink because one of the environment variables points to C4 directory
13:31 kf I think you can install Koha first and add languages after that
13:33 wajasu ok.
13:35 chris_n wajasu: I think the correct order is: 1. run Makefile.PL 2. Do the language thing 3. run the webinstaller... but I'm not 100%
13:35 chris_n after running Makefile/make install, there will be a blurb about exporting the pathing vars
13:37 wajasu i'm writing an PKGBUILD for koha for my distro archlinux.  i just wanted to know if i had to run that beforehand.
13:38 wajasu the only problem i have is HTTP::OAI seems to have a conflict in a perl module  (XML::SAX::Base) that collides with the previously installed SAX Parser.
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13:54 jdavidb Geez....when the President of the US throws a party, it hoses up things for *everyone*.  Can't he do this out at Camp David, instead of Right.Down.Town!?
13:55 * owen thinks someone is sore he didn't get an invite :P
13:56 jwagner Camp David isn't big enough for 47 heads of state and all their entourages.
13:56 * chris_n thinks there's a good chance jdavidb could get in based on previous similar performances
13:56 jdavidb Watching 47 world leaders posture and not decide *anything*?  No, thankee.
14:01 * jwagner gloats in jdavidb's direction
14:02 jwagner You picked a bad day to work from home -- Jeetika brought in two pounds of fresh strawberries and is sharing them :-)
14:02 jwagner Yummmmmm
14:02 * jdavidb ended up walking from Dupont Circle to get to the doc, rather than mess with the city center.  'bout a mile, each way.
14:02 jdavidb Aw, dern!
14:02 jwagner No, there WON'T be any left by tomorrow!
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14:20 owen Hi joetho
14:37 wizzyrea mornin everybody
14:42 jwagner morning, wizzyrea
14:46 kf morning wizzyrea
14:46 wizzyrea ^.^ how is everybody today
14:51 * jwagner starts singing Leadbelly's "On a Monday"
14:52 wizzyrea ooh
14:52 wizzyrea that good huh
14:53 jwagner Mondays should be banned...
14:54 paul_p jwagner, the problem, if you ban mondays, is that you'll want to ban tuesday a few weeks later ?
14:54 jwagner paul_p, how did you guess?????
14:54 jwagner I've long been in favor of a 2-day workweek and a 5-day weekend, but somehow I've never found an employer willing to go for it....
14:56 jwagner is now known as jwagner_meeting
14:58 * jdavidb waves to wizzyrea
14:59 wizzyrea hey jdavidb :)
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15:22 * collum wishes his meetings lasted only 20 minutes. :)
15:24 jwagner Shortest one yet of this transition period :-)
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15:46 brendan morning all
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15:46 chris_n heya brendan
15:46 * chris_n heads off in search of lunch
15:46 brendan enjoy
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15:48 indradg morning brendan
15:48 * brendan waves
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15:49 CGI561 hello
15:50 CGI561 how do i do stock verification in koha
15:51 wizzyrea like, inventory?
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15:54 wizzyrea does anyone know if you can print a receipt for fines?
15:54 jwagner Not to my knowledge.  That's been on the wish list for a while.
15:54 wizzyrea hrm
15:54 wizzyrea okies
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15:55 CGI167 how to do stock verification in koha
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15:59 brendan CGI167 - try looking at inventory found under Koha > Tools
16:00 brendan of course that's based off jwagner's assumption too - btw - hi jwagner
16:00 CGI167 actually i have scanned barcode numbers of the books in text file format...
16:00 CGI167 how to find missing barcode numbers
16:01 jwagner hi brendan -- what was I assuming?
16:01 brendan ah - that's a little bit more difficult - try reading in the manual found under documentation
16:01 brendan maybe that should help a little
16:01 brendan jwagner: stock = inventory
16:01 brendan that's what you were assuming (I guess)
16:02 CGI167 yes stock=inventory
16:02 brendan whoops was wizzyrea
16:02 jwagner Actually, it was wizzyrea doing the assuming.
16:02 brendan sorry jwagner I meant wizzyrea
16:02 brendan :)
16:02 jwagner That's OK, I'll take being confused with her any day :-)
16:03 wizzyrea yea, I never got an answer as to whether stock really did = inventory
16:04 wizzyrea :)
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16:07 kf hm today is my bug finding day :(
16:07 jwagner Well, _somebody_ has to find them....
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16:08 kf jwagner: have you tried html notices with different currency symbols?
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16:08 kf i'm speaking of this new and nice feature for including the fine amount in notices :)
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16:09 jwagner No, haven't done anything with it.  Is this print notices or something else?
16:10 kf for overdues I think, it worked fine but my euro got to €
16:10 kf[…]1b6ce155ed9be5fb5
16:11 jwagner No, that's not one of ours so I haven't looked at it.
16:11 kf yes, I got confused :)
16:11 kf I m testing html notices too
16:16 kf chris_n: around?
16:18 jwagner is now known as jwagner_meeting
16:18 jwagner_meeting (lunch first, then meeting....)
16:19 kf ok, will ask him later :)
16:19 kf bye #koha
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16:37 wizzyrea anybody know what happened to this
16:37 wizzyrea[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1232
16:37 munin Bug 1232: enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---,, NEW, Add Invoice/Credit/Fines Payed For Day on Issues (Print Page) (Print Slip)
16:46 rafael I have sent a question about searching but nobody replied.
16:46 rafael Does anyone got an error when using authorities and a search like
16:46 rafael ../cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/
16:46 rafael does not suceed?
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17:40 len hello everybody
17:41 len I have a question related to the subjects search
17:43 wizzyrea shoot
17:43 len I have a marc record with multiple 650 fields
17:43 len in the I was expecting to have links for each subject
17:44 len in the form:
17:44 len but instead
17:44 len for the first one I have q=su:term1
17:44 len for the second q=su:term1 and su=term2
17:44 len and so on
17:44 len I have recently installed koha 3.0.4
17:45 len I have tried to look into the code
17:45 len and everything happens inside
17:45 len GetMarcSubjects
17:45 len push @link_loop, {'limit' => 'su', link => $linkvalue, operator => $operator };
17:45 len I don't know if there is an error with my marc framework
17:46 len or the way I am using the fields
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17:52 len maybe instead of using multiple a fields for the field 650 I should use multiple 650 fields
17:52 jcamins Len: are you sure you're looking at the links for different 6xx fields? That sounds like what you'd get if you had one 6xx field with multiple subfields.
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17:56 len jcamins: you are right
17:56 len this was the cause, I was having multiple a subfields for the 650 field, I should have multiple 650 fields. Thank you.
17:57 jcamins You're welcome.
18:05 rafael Could any one reply to my question about ../cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/ error
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18:22 wizzyrea rafael: I have not heard of anyone having that issue
18:23 len jcamins: I was this problem ideed but now I have another problem. It seems that all searches with several words work but the ones with one word don't work
18:24 len for instance q=su:Politics economics work but neither q=su:Politics or q=su:Economics
18:24 len both politics and economics are in the nozebra table, as I am using nozebra
18:26 len he he, if I do q=su: Politics, with a space it works
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18:41 rafael I work too with NoZebra. Everything work fine except an: but if I add a space it works as you say. Must we change template ?
18:48 len rafael, I don't know
18:48 len I think the problem is in
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19:03 chris_n len: nozebra is basically not supported and has many problems
19:04 chris_n the current recommendation is to convert to zebra
19:04 chris_n even for small collections
19:05 * chris_n feeds his zebra more fresh hay
19:07 * chris agrees with chris_n
19:08 chris_n up early :)
19:08 len I think I've found the problem
19:09 len in, the search is done for su:term instead of term
19:09 * chris_n remembers thinking the same thing once ;)
19:09 chris_n that I'd found the problem, that is
19:12 chris_n len: C4:Search is scheduled for a major re-write in 3.4
19:12 len I understand
19:13 len I will try to migrate to zebra
19:13 len I far as I understand, I should install zebra and run the rebuil_zebra migration script
19:13 len *rebuild
19:13 chris_n that's basically it
19:14 len thank you for your help
19:14 chris_n len: search the list archives; a number have converted recently
19:14 rafael I respect Chris' recomendation to convert to zebra but I can assure you that no_zebra is OK with a good response time
19:15 chris_n and be sure to run the rebuild_zebra script as your kohauser
19:16 chris_n len: also give a holler here if you get stuck in the process
19:17 len thank you chris_n
19:21 chris rafael: no_zebra has some serious shortcomings
19:21 chris and there are no plans to fix them, in 3.4 no_zebra will dissapear
19:22 chris but if it's working ok for you now, and you can live with the bugs, then that is fine :)
19:24 chris oh and if you are concerned about ACTA
19:24 chris there is declaration here you might want to sign
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19:30 len trying to do -b -w gets me a 22:22:45-12/04 zebraidx(32296) [warn] No such record type: grs.marcxml.record
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19:50 wizzyrea si: are you home yet :)
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20:09 rafael Chris ACTA petition is signed
20:10 rafael Another problem regarding indexes are authorities. Some instalations show records linked but other does not. Is there any preference forgot ?
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20:43 richard hi
20:46 wizzyrea hey richard
20:47 richard hi wizzyrea
20:47 brendan hiya richard
20:47 richard hi brendan
20:49 chris back
20:49 brendan wow really cheap tickets to NZ from Los Angelos
20:49 brendan but you have to travel before Sept 21
20:49 brendan :(
20:49 brendan about $800 USD
20:49 chris just have an extra month :)
20:50 chris or does the return have to go back?
20:50 brendan Great for me - but not for Sonja
20:50 chris im sure i could find you a desk and phone and internet to work from :)
20:50 brendan I think you can return whenever
20:50 brendan alright chris sounds like a deal - no just to talk Sonja into it
20:51 chris whats sonja do for a crust?
20:51 chris im sure you have told me and i have forgotten
20:51 wizzyrea omg, wow that's a good deal
20:54 brendan Sonja is a ph.d student in mathematics
20:54 brendan so the key is going to be to watch Quantas - that's where I saw it
20:55 chris ooh cool
20:55 chris i did my major in maths, she is way ahead of me
20:56 brendan YAY math
20:57 chris math and philosophy were my fave subjects
20:59 * richard followed a more agricultural bent and majored in soil science
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21:30 miguelxercode hi
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22:06 * chris_n wonders what sort of "tech support" would suggest that less than 0.007% would cause the total failure of a brand new ups?
22:06 chris_n s/would/overload would/
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22:58 brendan wb chris
22:58 chris thanks
23:34 brendan @wunder 93117
23:34 munin brendan: The current temperature in ASOS_HFM SANTA BARBARA, CA, Santa Barbara, California is 13.9�C (4:20 PM PDT on April 12, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Steady).
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23:53 chris_n yoyo internet today chris?
23:53 chris_n @wunder 28334
23:53 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 20.7�C (7:45 PM EDT on April 12, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 12%. Dew Point: -10.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Falling).
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