IRC log for #koha, 2010-04-01

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05:36 Nouman Good morning all
05:37 Nouman I have asked Question about Examination project which will store marks, Generate Mark sheets,Transcripts, Degrees of University
05:37 Nouman assign grades,percentage and GPA
05:37 Nouman Any body have any idea about this project
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06:10 Nouman is nay one know about the examination project
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07:06 kf good morning koha
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09:01 kf gmcharlt: around?
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09:09 kf @later tell gmcharlt I have the marc data ready - just tell me where to send it. 11.000 records / about 5 mb
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09:17 kf chris: around?
09:18 kf chris: ah, works now :)
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09:29 CGI647 hi guys, pls where can i get Authority records to upload on my koha,
09:32 CGI647 pls an anyone help me on this
09:33 kf CGI647: I dont know if there is a free source for authority data. Perhaps someone else knows.
09:40 CGI647 if that is the case. is there a way i can activate the Personal name field for input direct from keyboard, rather than searching from the Aurhority record?
09:45 kf yes, look at sys prefs for authorities. I think nicole answered this question on the mailinglists too.
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11:31 kmkale Hi all
11:31 kmkale Has anyone setup a server with multiple independent koha installations on it? complete with zebra?
11:32 * jwagner thinks jdavidb is starting the morning on the wrong note....
11:32 jdavidb kmkale:  Sure; it's not hard.
11:33 kmkale i am pretty ok with rest of the setup except zebra
11:33 kmkale independent db and httpd-conf etc
11:33 jdavidb kmkale:  did you do dev installs?
11:33 kmkale but what about zebra? can one zebra daemon support multiple db's?
11:34 jdavidb if you do dev installs, you just run each zebra in its' own user space.  Works fine.
11:34 kmkale i havent started yet. want to try today so gathering info
11:34 jdavidb Each one thinks it's the only one on the system, and there's nothing to contradict that, since they're not running privileged.
11:35 kmkale "each zebra in its own user space." how to set that up? some hints please?
11:36 jdavidb For each install, create a separate user account, home dir, database, etc...  install Koha using the "dev" install method in each.  Run zebra (using koha-dev/bin/ start) as each user.   Celebrate success.
11:36 kmkale wow!! cant be that simple surely? Will try and report SIR!!
11:36 jdavidb I've got nearly a dozen of 'em on one server.  One instance of mysql, one apache instance, and a whole herd of zebras.
11:37 jdavidb It really is that easy.
11:37 kmkale thats what I want precisely..
11:37 kmkale Thanks..
11:37 jdavidb use NameVirtualHost tricks so you don't even need multiple IP addresses; you can also eliminate using port 8080 that way--everything on 80.
11:38 jdavidb Glad I could help.  :D
11:38 kmkale yes, thought of that
11:38 kmkale How do I start all zebras automatically?
11:38 jdavidb I do it the brute-force each account's crontab, I put this line:
11:39 jdavidb */5 * * * *  $HOME/koha-dev/bin/ start >/dev/null 2>&1
11:39 kmkale a central script from rc.local or init.d? which sudo's to each user and runs the zebra?
11:39 kmkale aahhh!!
11:39 jdavidb So every five minutes, it tries to start zebra.  If it's already running, nothing happens.  If not, it starts.
11:39 jdavidb So on reboot, you'll be back up and happy in five minutes or less.
11:39 kmkale :)
11:40 kmkale whare do you put zebras db dir and sockets?
11:40 * jdavidb likes simple solutions, truly.
11:40 jdavidb If you do a dev install, all of that will end up under the users $HOME/koha-dev/var/lib, automagically.
11:40 kmkale great!!
11:41 jdavidb That's the beauty of the dev install; if you have all the packages installed, you don't have to be a superuser for *most* of the setup work, other than restarting apache and setting up a DB.
11:42 jdavidb The other beauty, if you use git clone to fetch your code, is that updating it is *super* easy--git pull, then run installer/data/mysql/
11:42 kmkale thats for each user though..
11:43 jdavidb Right.  Typical use-case is two installs:  production, and test.  Do it on test, let the users check it out, then a few nights later, do it on live.  Takes effect immediately when you do it on any given install.
11:43 jdavidb (also, obviously, each is independent, so you can do test without hurting production.)
11:44 kmkale and applying patches is super easy as gmcharlt showed me the other day ;)
11:44 jdavidb It gets a little tiring once you have a couple dozen of them, natch.  :)  But not many folks have that problem.
11:45 kmkale I may but its for a cause. PLanning to give libraries under which dont have any IT infra a live server from which to use koha
11:46 jdavidb Awesome!  keep 'em simple, not a lot of customization outside of what you can do with sysprefs and CSS; that'll make you life much, much easier.  Stock Koha installs are easy-peasy to update that way.
11:46 kmkale hope I can finangle one more server from the supporters of the project, else the present one is quite strong
11:47 kmkale yes. mostly public libraries requirements are pretty simple
11:48 kmkale we are trying to get a group together here which will try to integrate koha member accounting and other library general accounting with a FOSS project called
11:48 kmkale that is one of the requirements of all public libraries, to have integrated accounting
11:48 kmkale hope that works out
11:49 jdavidb That'd be clever; that's always been a big missing spot for a lot of libraries...their general accounting just treats the patron accounting as a summary line-item, and that's not detailed enough to be useful, sometimes.
11:49 kmkale had a meeting with gnukhata dev ppl, they are also very interested
11:49 kmkale gnukhata is pythin xml-rpc
11:49 kmkale so they say its pretty easy to integrate with most front ends
11:49 jdavidb I should think so, yeah.
11:49 kmkale *python
11:51 kmkale also public libraries have a lot of reporting to various Govt bodies and trusts etc
11:51 kmkale so accounting is important to them
11:52 jdavidb Sure.  In the US, they've kinda skipped over the accounting part of that by summarizing ("We collected $x in fines last year"..)  but the capability of more detail accounting would be nice.  ($x in overdus, $y in new-member fees, $z in lost-book charges...)
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11:53 kmkale oh. if only it was like that here in India. These ppl spend equal time in accounting as on catalouge stuff
11:53 jdavidb heh.  We've had libraries here who realize they spend almost as much collecting fines as they get from the fines, and have stopped charging overdue fines altogether.
11:53 kmkale haha
11:54 jdavidb There's also a need for better accounting, if you set up deposit accounts, like some universities do for ILL fees.  Got to account for that money somewhere.
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11:57 chris_n morning
11:57 jdavidb sounds like you have an admirable set of projects going on, kmkale.   Good luck!  :)
11:57 jdavidb mornin', chris_n
11:57 kmkale humm yes and in public libraries there are minthly fees too
11:57 kmkale *monthly
11:57 kmkale Thanks jdavidb
11:59 jdavidb There's an NGO here in the US that takes donated books and money, and sets up small-town libraries in sub-Saharan Africa and Central America; I've thought a couple of times about talking to them about IT needs generally, as I think that's a *fantastic* bit of philanthropy.
12:00 kmkale aye, true
12:01 jdavidb So very many of the world's issues are solve-able, with just a little bit of education, and libraries--even little bitty ones--can be a huge part of that.
12:02 kmkale this project I am working on is funded by an educational institute, purely to get libraries here to come out from card base age to computers
12:03 kmkale we even scavenge for old pc's to give to some libraries which dont have any
12:03 kmkale and try to get them strated on koha
12:03 kmkale thats why this idea of lots of koha's on a central server
12:04 kmkale so libraries can just use a pc and dsl connection
12:04 jdavidb is getting internet access for those small libraries difficult?
12:04 kmkale nope
12:04 kmkale telecom here is fantastic
12:04 kmkale even small villages have broadband
12:04 jdavidb excellent!
12:05 kmkale its got revolutionized in last few years after privatization
12:05 kmkale but funnily its the govt company BSNL which does the greatest job of providing broadband in smallest of villages
12:18 jwagner Can someone confirm a possible bug?  Current head, OPAC advanced search, the Language search section shows up under the "fewer" options.  If you click "more" options, the Language section shows up again -- it's repeated.  It looks like it should be removed from the "fewer" options.
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12:19 ebegin good morning!
12:19 jwagner Bonjour
12:20 ebegin :)
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12:38 chris_n heya owen
12:38 kmkale koha is the most helpful & tolerant mailing list
12:38 kmkale I have been on
12:38 owen Good morning fellow North American chris_n
12:51 ebegin Hi owen!
12:56 chris_n hmm... "Effectively, Solaris is no longer free for more than 90 days. ...With this latest move, Oracle has well and truly hammered the final nail into the coffin for Solaris. What next MySQL?"
12:56 chris_n
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13:03 jwagner @wunder 20817
13:03 munin` jwagner: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 13.1�C (9:03 AM EDT on April 01, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020.2 hPa (Rising).
13:21 owen This looks nice (assuming you're working with a fixed locale):[…]ked-input-plugin/
13:23 jwagner owen, could be useful for the patron edit screen & the OPAC patron account update.
13:24 owen You never can tell in what format someone is going to enter a phone number
13:30 ebegin especially that phone number in France looks like
13:31 ebegin biblibre phone number on their website: 04 91 81 35 08
13:33 jwagner And for business phones, don't forget to allow for extension numbers.
13:35 collum And some US locations have to use 10 digits, some 7, some can use either.
13:42 jwagner The possibilities are endless :-)
13:45 collum Yep.  In our database we have these characters separating numbers ()-:.# and space.
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13:47 owen I could see stripping all spacing and punctuation from phone numbers and managing it all on output
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13:47 owen Except someone is going to want to put in "555-2392 dont call during lunch"
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13:56 * jdavidb enters his phone number as either 867-5309 or BR-549 on testing systems...
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14:29 wizzyrea owen: I have a jquery... um... query for you
14:29 owen Shoot
14:30 wizzyrea i'm trying to remove the No Holds Allowed text (it's redundant and inaccurate in our install sometimes)
14:30 wizzyrea but there are no tags around it to select, except for td
14:30 jdavidb @quote add <wizzyrea>owen: I have a jquery... um... query for you
14:30 munin` jdavidb: The operation succeeded.  Quote #70 added.
14:30 jdavidb lol
14:31 jdavidb @quote random
14:31 munin` jdavidb: Quote #25: "<wizzyrea> ha, in #koha we don't pick each other's brains... we git pull them." (added by gmcharlt at 03:40 PM, August 14, 2009)
14:31 wizzyrea hey, that was a good one
14:31 jdavidb yes, it was.
14:32 * owen ponders
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14:36 owen Sorry wizzyrea I got nothin'
14:37 wizzyrea okies
14:37 owen Normally I'd say use ":contains", but this isn't wrapped in a tag
14:37 wizzyrea[…]alarm-clock.shtml
14:37 owen The example we have in effect:
14:37 wizzyrea dk if any of you are lost fans
14:37 owen $("a:contains('Holds to pull')").parent().remove();
14:38 wizzyrea right, I've done lots of those
14:38 wizzyrea I suppose you could prepend a tag, then append a tag, then remove what's between the tags
14:38 wizzyrea but that seems overly manipulative
14:39 wizzyrea but you still can't get down to just the text
14:39 wizzyrea or at least I'm not smrt enough to
14:39 wizzyrea bah, guess it will have to stay
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14:40 wizzyrea thanks for applying a few brain cycles to it though, owen
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15:26 Vlad Hi there
15:27 Vlad I lunched koha on VM
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15:31 owen Vlad: do you have a question?
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15:33 Vlad after that I add a new record in catalog, add new item on shelf, but in search this item not found.
15:33 Vlad I try to make ./rebuild_zebra -b -a -z
15:33 Vlad and obtained this error:
15:33 Vlad Use of uninitialized value $db_driver in concatenation (.) or string at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/ line 666.
15:33 Vlad Can't connect to data source 'dbname=__DB_NAME__;host=__​DB_HOST__;port=__DB_PORT__' because I can't work out what driver to use (it doesn't seem to contain a 'dbi:driver:' prefix and the DBI_DRIVER env var is not set) at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/ line 666
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15:35 Vlad I read this archive[…]g/koha/2010-02-24, but not understand how this error was fix
15:36 Vlad Anybody who fix this error?
15:46 chris_n Vlad: something went wrong during the 'make install' or perhaps it has not been run
15:46 chris_n the __VAR__ variables should be replaced during the install process
15:47 ccurry Good morning, all; question about
15:47 ccurry Is it a problem to run this script while users are logged in and working, as long as I don't use the "--sessions" option?
15:47 ccurry  --zebraqueue 10
15:47 ccurry and does 10 mean that it will retain 10 days of old zebraqueue data?
15:50 ccurry I have a huge zebraqueue table that is refusing to load into my test server.  I tried running this script in the past (on my test server) and I got no output and it seemed to hang, so I canceled the process.  I guess now is the time to sort this out.  Any problem with just truncating the zebraqueue table and reindexing to catch any edits that didn't get indexed?
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15:50 mib_2mut7u Hi all
15:50 ccurry or is there a verbose option?
15:50 jdavidb ccurry:  I'm the author of that script.  yes, the zebraqueue option keeps (x) days worth.  (the most-recent).
15:50 jdavidb There isn't a verbose option.
15:51 Vlad cris_n: on Virtual Machine image was preinstalled, and I just lunched it. What you can sugest for this situation?
15:51 ccurry jdavidb: any problem running it while users are logged in and working?
15:51 jdavidb you might select for done=0 in zebraqueue to see if there are things that didn't get indexed; if it doesn't return any records, then you shouldn't even need to reindex, and truncating will be just fine.
15:51 jdavidb nope, as long as you omit --sessions, as you noted.
15:52 ccurry so, does your script just select for that done=0 and truncate everything else?
15:53 ccurry *select for done=0
15:53 jdavidb no, it selects on the "time" field--the timestamp of when it was added.
15:53 ccurry ah...makes sense
15:53 mib_2mut7u Our overdue notices are not going out because many of our borrowers have an empty "email" field.  What is the difference between and borrowers.emailpro?
15:54 jdavidb it does DELETE from zebraqueue WHERE blahblah..  TRUNCATE is absolute; it just tosses the contents of the table in the garbage.
15:54 ccurry It was probably dragging because the table is so large.  I think I'll truncate to start set up a cron (like I should have done in the beginning)
15:54 ccurry Thanks for your help!
15:54 jdavidb you betcha. :)
15:55 owen mib_2mut7u: the difference is that is used to send emails, borrowers.emailpro is used only for display (as far as I know)
15:56 mib_2mut7u owen: display where?
15:56 owen Display in the staff client. For informational purposes only.
15:57 mib_2mut7u owen: some of our records have different (but seemingly valid) values for email and emailpro do you have any idea how that could happen?
15:57 owen My first guess is that someone entered them when adding the patron?
15:58 mib_2mut7u so the koha "add a patron" screen would update the field?
15:59 owen filling in the "Email (home)" field updates filling in "Email (work)" updates borrowers.emailpro
16:00 mib_2mut7u ah ha!  Thank you very much!
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16:02 Vlad Some suggestions for my problem?
16:07 Vlad mdea...
16:15 mib_2mut7u I've got another question about the borrower table.
16:16 mib_2mut7u I've found a patron in the borrower table who I can't find by searching by patron name or barcode. Is there some field that hides patrons from circulation?
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16:21 mib_2mut7u I notice the unfindable patron has borrower.privacy=1, borrower.debarred=0, borrower.lost=0, borrower.dateexpiry="2010-07-32"
16:30 mib_2mut7u Nevermind.  The unfindable patron was findable when I looked in the right branch.
16:42 wizzyrea oh snap!
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17:29 chris_n does anyone know of any FOSS alternatives to Go-To Meeting that provide the same features?
17:31 brendan you look at dimdim ?
17:31 chris_n Vlad: Unfortunately I am not familiar with the VM images; my suggestion would be to 'make && make install' again, but that might not work on the VM images
17:32 brendan I think dimdim may have a "community-version"
17:33 chris_n brendan: I'll have a look, tnx
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18:21 Vlad thanx chris_n
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18:31 jdavidb Hi, cait...welcome back, owen. :)
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18:32 DarrellUlm Hello
18:34 cait hi jdavidb
18:34 DarrellUlm Zebra 3.2 re-index issue from yesterday was due to large (production) marc data, and it worked fine with 5,000 record test data everytime, so looking for records (or code?) that cause problems during rebuild_index
18:34 cait :)
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18:37 wizzyrea I haven't heard anybody complain about large reindexes
18:37 wizzyrea so I'd guess you may have a borked marc record somewhere.
18:39 DarrellUlm Yes, probably
18:40 DarrellUlm I suspected we had a few bad ones here so we should not do a full re-index until I can do a verify on all the marc
18:40 DarrellUlm Hey, didn't Liblime just release a marc tool?
18:41 wizzyrea link?
18:41 DarrellUlm
18:41 DarrellUlm ;)
18:41 wizzyrea har de har
18:42 owen[…]etadata-converter
18:42 DarrellUlm Yeah, there is a link on the site in the annoucements sect.
18:42 jdavidb owen++ # beat me to it.
18:42 wizzyrea Ah, a brand new, PTFS branded something on the LL site. Nice!
18:42 DarrellUlm Because he rules
18:43 wizzyrea ^^ what he said
18:43 jdavidb He *does*, DarrellUlm.
18:43 DarrellUlm Have the PTFS people been active in the community since the buyout?
18:43 wizzyrea jdavidb is here >.>
18:43 owen PTFS people were active before the buyout!
18:43 jdavidb jwagner is sorta here, too (in a meeting)
18:44 wizzyrea haveta say, life in LL land has gotten a lot more pleasant of late
18:44 owen It will be interesting to see if any LibLime people start becoming active in the community
18:44 jdavidb I'm trying to coax cfouts back out into the world, but he's busier than a one-legged man in a butt-kicking contest just now.
18:44 wizzyrea ^^ what he said
18:45 jdavidb His lovely bride is due any day; from the picks, it looks like she's going to give birth to the Green Bay Packers or something.
18:45 owen If cfouts was the one-legged man in the butt-kicking contest he would win hands down
18:45 wizzyrea !!
18:45 wizzyrea ok, just as a note
18:46 * owen braces himself
18:46 jdavidb She's itty-bitty, wizzyrea, and is "carrying" it all out front.
18:46 wizzyrea you probably don't want said lovely wife to see you describe her like that
18:46 wizzyrea >.>
18:46 wizzyrea in fact, the only words re: looks that should be uttered around pregnant women are "you look beautiful"
18:46 wizzyrea just for your reference ;)
18:47 wizzyrea no
18:47 wizzyrea "are you having twins?"
18:47 jdavidb She *does* look beautiful, from the pics I've seen.  And cfouts is clearly thoroughly ga-ga over her.
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18:47 wizzyrea as well he should be ;)
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18:47 wizzyrea or "what you got in there, the green bay packers?"
18:48 jwagner Am out of my day-long set of meetings just in time to head home for yet another one.  But we are still active!
18:48 * wizzyrea smiles wryly
18:48 wizzyrea ok, here goes nothing
18:48 jwagner That MARC edit tool is one that we developed and have been using in house for a while.  Rashid is a data wizard.
18:48 wizzyrea ptfs++
18:48 * jwagner smiles not-wryly!
18:48 jdavidb My evil minion's mother got quite-a-bit more pregnant over the summer, when we were in sophomoric friend nearly perished when he said, "Gosh, I thought you'd just gained a buncha weight."
18:49 * jdavidb grins happily at wizzyrea.
18:49 * jdavidb does a happy dance.
18:49 * jwagner is too tired to do a happy dance, but does one mentally
18:50 DarrellUlm Glad to hear it, I will check it out
18:50 jwagner Who would have thunk that these mergers involved so many MEETINGS!
18:50 DarrellUlm Looking forward to good collaborations with PTFS + Community
18:50 wizzyrea me too
18:51 jwagner Just remember, nothing is going to happen _quickly_ -- it's really going to take a lot of time to merge things together & do something with them.
18:51 DarrellUlm I like that word you used "marge" ;)
18:51 wizzyrea jdavidb it tells me you are offline are you makred as DND or invisible?
18:51 DarrellUlm I mean "Merge" (not the Simpsons)
18:52 jdavidb how 'bout now?
18:52 DarrellUlm "Merging" could be good.
18:52 wizzyrea I like merging.
18:52 jwagner gotta run to make the next meeting -- see you all later
18:52 wizzyrea like traffic. Or code. or getting married.
18:52 wizzyrea later jane
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18:52 wizzyrea weird, it must be me
18:52 wizzyrea br
18:52 wizzyrea b
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18:52 jdavidb @karma ptfs
18:52 munin` jdavidb: Karma for "ptfs" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
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18:53 DarrellUlm Yes
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19:16 DarrellUlm Be well, all it is 75 degrees!
19:16 DarrellUlm (in NE Ohio) and Sunny, usually or weather is like England
19:16 DarrellUlm Bye!
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19:19 chris_n @wunder 28334
19:19 munin` chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 30.9�C (3:16 PM EDT on April 01, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 8%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006.0 hPa (Falling).
19:19 chris_n ahh... heatwave
19:19 chris_n its way to nice to be inside
19:19 * chris_n heads off to fix that problem ;)
19:21 owen @wunder 45701
19:21 munin` owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 26.1�C (3:16 PM EDT on April 01, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Steady).
19:37 wizzyrea @wunder 66047
19:37 munin` wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 26.6�C (2:37 PM CDT on April 01, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.64 in 1003.6 hPa (Falling).
19:37 wizzyrea you know I don't even know what the khoury's is
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19:37 wizzyrea oh
19:37 wizzyrea
19:37 wizzyrea just some folks who do weather in lawrence
19:39 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:39 munin` cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.9�C (9:30 PM CEST on April 01, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019.5 hPa (Steady).
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20:00 chris ok,  i just cant resist, .... things could happen very quickly if there was a public repo, because then a crapload more ppl could do merging
20:00 * chris is always gonna be an agitator im afraid
20:01 wizzyrea stir stir stir
20:02 owen chris: Re: 3.2 ?
20:02 wizzyrea lek, probably
20:02 chris the latter
20:02 owen Oh, okay
20:03 chris or everything
20:03 chris its true for everything
20:03 wizzyrea your mom?
20:03 wizzyrea i merged your mom, now that just sounds just wrong.
20:03 chris my mums recipes
20:04 owen chris don't you remember? LEK is full of "sensitive customer data"
20:06 chris someone should write a book with all the excuses in it
20:06 chris and call it
20:06 chris "Why i failed at business"
20:07 wizzyrea zing
20:09 chris oh cool lee is doing the roadtrip :)
20:18 nengard i looked my the dates i was planning on and think i'll have to pass on the road trip - but i'll see you all in wellington when you get there :)
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20:18 wizzyrea man I want to do the road trip, dk if I will be able too though.
20:18 wizzyrea might be hard with a 2 yr old
20:18 chris where are you guys staying wellington?
20:18 wizzyrea not sure yet
20:19 chris you know you can bring the car seat and not count it as luggage eh?
20:19 wizzyrea excellent to know
20:19 chris (Well depends on the airline so check with them first)
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21:20 chris_n it might be nice to have a section on the website with sample cost analysis for various size/configuration installations
21:20 wizzyrea ^^ yes
21:20 wizzyrea recommendations based on size of collection would be SO helpful
21:21 chris yeah, its hard to get people to give up that information tho
21:21 chris and it varies wildly
21:21 wizzyrea also true
21:24 chris but some diy ones would be good
21:25 wizzyrea I wonder if my boss would be willing to work up something
21:25 wizzyrea < hosted, of course
21:25 chris maybe jesse's library might, and chris_n
21:25 chris im sure jo from hlt would
21:25 chris and lee
21:26 * chris_n did it on < 300USD equipment budget :)
21:26 chris_n and *lots* of person-hours
21:27 wizzyrea I wonder how we quantify the necessity of "genius"
21:27 wizzyrea >.>
21:27 wizzyrea I tease. ;)
21:30 chris_n lol
21:31 gmcharlt it's not the cost of the box, it's the cost of the belt and suspenders in many cases
21:31 chris_n the server was donated by a local business
21:31 chris_n full disclosure: /me owns a large part of it
21:31 wizzyrea and the person to wear the belt and suspenders
21:32 chris_n so really, the scanner and the hours were the lion's share
21:32 chris yeah labour is gonna be the lions share
21:32 chris_n somewhere along the way, I lost track ;)
21:38 chris[…]Tourism-Australia
21:39 chris nz 1 - aus 0 :-)
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