IRC log for #koha, 2010-03-26

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00:14 jmill2010 hi
00:14 jmill2010 hi all
00:15 jmill2010 can patron categories be created for statistical purposes also?
00:15 jmill2010 besides circ policy purposes
00:16 chris how do you mean?
00:17 jmill2010 for example i've create a Student category... Can I instead create one for Graduate Students and another for Undergrad Students, just for stat purposes (as they would have the same permissions)?
00:17 chris yep, you can do anythin you like :)
00:17 chris you just need to set them up with the same policies
00:18 jmill2010 right
00:18 jmill2010 awesome
00:20 jmill2010 for stats i need to set up the stats wizard, am i right
00:20 chris ppl have written lots of good reports you can cut and paste into to the create report from sql bit
00:21 chris
00:21 jmill2010 thanks very much :)
00:23 jmill2010 problem is i don't even know what sql is
00:23 jmill2010 :P
00:23 jmill2010 reading though...
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03:36 Amit_G hi all
03:36 Amit_G heya brendan, chris
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03:45 CGI341 hay guise
03:45 CGI341 i r new heyar
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07:47 kmkale hi all I am seeing a lot of following errors in koha-error_log koha version no Zebra perl 5.010000 on ubuntu 9.10
07:48 kmkale [Fri Mar 26 13:02:47 2010] [error] [client] [Fri Mar 26 13:02:47 2010] Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 2801., referer: http://localhost:8080/cgi-bin/[…]rrower=2AG09CV043
07:48 kmkale circulation module is very slow as compared to other work in staff client
07:48 kmkale any ideas?
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08:54 jransom Hiya Paul
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08:56 magnus g'day #koha!
09:00 Amit_G heya kmkale, jransom, magnus
09:00 magnus hiya Amit_G
09:00 magnus @wunder bodo, norway
09:00 munin` magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0�C (9:50 AM CET on March 26, 2010). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: -6.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
09:00 kmkale hi amit
09:00 jransom hi everyone
09:01 Amit_G @wunder New Delhi, India
09:01 munin` Amit_G: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 37.0�C (2:00 PM IST on March 26, 2010). Conditions: Unknown. Humidity: 16%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Falling).
09:01 Amit_G @wunder Dehradun, India
09:01 munin` Amit_G: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 32.0�C (11:30 AM IST on March 26, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 17%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.70 in 1006 hPa.
09:01 Amit_G @wunder Bangalore, India
09:01 munin` Amit_G: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 29.0�C (11:30 AM IST on March 26, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 18.0�C.
09:02 magnus wow, that's hot
09:03 jransom Amit: are you coming down to Koha Con
09:03 magnus i must confess i'd rather have 0 °C than 37...
09:03 jransom Chris: are you about by any chance?
09:05 jransom busy trying to price out the KohaCon road trip from Auckland to Wellington. Wondering if its only Americans who drive on the wrong side of the road
09:07 jransom and thinking maybe we just hire 4 seater cars and self drive ... NZ would be like a country drive compared to Paris I am sure :)
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10:16 chris_n @wunder 28334
10:16 munin` chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 15.0�C (6:13 AM EDT on March 26, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.26 in 990.7 hPa (Falling).
10:28 kmkale_ [Fri Mar 26 15:50:29 2010] [error] [client] [Fri Mar 26 15:50:29 2010] Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 2801., referer: http://localhost:8080/cgi-bin/[…]rc/
10:28 kmkale_ guyz any help with this?
10:29 kmkale_ hi all I am seeing a lot of these errors in koha-error_log koha version no Zebra perl 5.010000 on ubuntu 9.10
10:29 kmkale_ circulation module is very slow as compared to other work in staff client
10:34 chris_n kmkale_: that error means that there is probably a variable which is undefined in the regexp matching pattern used at that line
10:34 chris_n it may or may not be the reason for the slowness
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10:35 chris_n heya Jo
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10:38 chris_n kmkale: it would appear a record or records is/are missing either a biblionumber or title
10:39 chris_n 2801: unless ($result{'__RAW__'}->{$_} =~ /$biblionumber,$title\-(\d);/) {
10:39 kmkale will it be the particular biblio I am trying to circulate?
10:39 chris_n it looks like part of a delete operation
10:40 kmkale its under that indexed block
10:40 chris_n or after modifying a bib
10:41 chris_n so I'd guess it is a corrupt bib or bibs
10:41 chris_n but that is just a guess; there may be others around later who could say more certainly
10:42 chris_n although noZebra is rapidly becoming depricated
10:42 chris_n Zebra is the preferred way to run even if you are small
10:42 * chris_n heads off to find breakfast
10:50 kmkale thanks
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11:42 kmkale @weather Mumbai
11:42 munin` kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 30.0�C (4:40 PM IST on March 26, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
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11:54 chris_n g'morning #koha
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12:10 chris @later tell jransom no, its more than just americans its more europeans too
12:10 munin` chris: The operation succeeded.
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12:21 nicomophone Testing AndChat on android for nengard
12:21 magnus nicomophone: seems to be working! ;-)
12:22 nicomophone Indeed
12:22 nicomophone :)
12:23 nicomophone Not Very restau though
12:23 nicomophone Arf
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12:24 nicomophone My phone thinks it's clever : changes "fast" into "restau"
12:25 nicomophone Dumb machine
12:25 nicomophone With that...
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12:36 hilongo Hello #Koha :)
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12:37 chris_n @later tell owen: I got the ajax version of DataTable working in my app; I'm going to do some testing and then plan to workup a test branch to test it in Koha
12:37 munin` chris_n: The operation succeeded.
12:37 AndChat| Woo hoo
12:37 chris_n hi nengard
12:38 AndChat| Nengard on mobile itch
12:38 chris_n andriod?
12:38 AndChat| Or irc
12:38 AndChat| Y
12:38 chris_n cool
12:38 jwagner nengard, aren't you supposed to be resting and recovering in your nice peaceful hospital bed?  Quit working!!!
12:39 AndChat| Says I'm andchat.. not nengard
12:39 chris_n she's playing
12:39 chris_n not working :)
12:39 chris_n do the /nick thing
12:39 jwagner Harrumph!
12:39 AndChat| Jwagner there is no peace in hospitals
12:39 chris_n jwagner: play helps recovery
12:39 jwagner I know -- I've spent too much time there myself lately, with more to come.  However....
12:40 AndChat| I'm hyped up on steroids
12:40 AndChat| No rest here
12:40 chris_n lol
12:40 * jwagner ducks and runs for cover!
12:40 AndChat| And nick didn't work
12:40 chris_n double harrumph!
12:40 * jwagner really has to run for a meeting -- hope you feel better soon.
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12:40 AndChat| But u know its me
12:41 chris_n yup, your standard nick was in your hostname when you came on channel
12:42 chris_n plus whois shows your real name :)
12:42 chris_n so I'm assuming it is the real you
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12:45 AndChat| Now I'm gonna get my laptop cause its easier
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12:45 hilongo Ah! ... the technology ....  :)
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12:47 hilongo paul_p: Hello Paul ... I have a little question about diacritics... :)
12:47 paul_p hilongo, i'm at a meeting with a customer, sorry but can't answer
12:48 hilongo paul_p: Ok.... sorry to interrupt!  :)
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13:24 * chris_n waits for FF to recovery from its weekly crash :-Z
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13:56 owen Hi schuster how's it going?
13:57 schuster Pretty good, just really busy and my boss is concerned about lots of stuff so micromanaging.
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14:27 wizzyrea good morning
14:30 bgkriegel morning liz, almost noon here
14:30 wizzyrea er, good day?
14:30 wizzyrea ;)
14:30 bgkriegel :)
14:30 wizzyrea well it's 9:30 here, so mid-morning technically
14:30 owen Where are you bgkriegel?
14:31 bgkriegel Argentina
14:31 bgkriegel Cordoba
14:31 bgkriegel 11:30
14:32 * owen forgets how far east South America goes!
14:41 magnus g'day folks - geography is fun!
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15:01 * gmcharlt waves at #koha from Portland
15:01 * chris_n waves back
15:02 * jwagner waves at everyone in general
15:02 * jwagner also everyone in Portland
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15:05 owen What's in Portland gmcharlt, besides you?
15:05 gmcharlt owen: the public library association meeting
15:05 gmcharlt and bacon donuts
15:06 jwagner bacon donuts????
15:08 * chris_n asks gmcharlt to pass another bacon donut and some coffee his way
15:08 gmcharlt jwagner:[…]-bacon-donut-ils/
15:16 jwagner Now I'm HUNGRY!!!!!!!!
15:17 wizzyrea good old atz
15:17 wizzyrea did you get to have one of these monstrosities gmcharlt?
15:18 gmcharlt wizzyrea: I had to visit a cardiologist after just looking at the picure, so no ;)
15:20 wizzyrea haha
15:20 chris_n lol :)
15:21 wizzyrea "bacon donuts are a sometimes food"
15:21 wizzyrea i.e. never
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15:35 rhcl BTW, this is a good, Linux-based food item for your staff days.
15:35 rhcl[…]-bacon-donut-ils/
15:36 rhcl ignore previous, wrong channel
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15:42 owen Spreading the bacon donut gospel eh rhcl? Good man.
15:43 jwagner Now all we need is some mixture of eggs and coffee....
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15:43 owen jwagner: Boy, you lost me there!
15:45 jwagner Just trying to reduce the Great American Breakfast to the smallest number of components.  Donut+Bacon, Eggs+Coffee, etc.
15:45 jwagner (Not that I personally eat any of that for breakfast.)
15:46 owen You're making it too complicated. Everything goes on the donut. The coffee stays separate.
15:46 jwagner Hmmmm....  The idea has a certain attraction.....
15:46 * chris_n is careful to keep eggs and coffee separate while introducing them into his digestive tract
15:46 chris_n so we have a bacon-egg-cheese donut?
15:46 owen Why not add hash browns?
15:48 chris_n now I'm hungry... again :)
15:49 jwagner I normally hate fastfood breakfasts, but I've developed a shameful craving for McDonalds -- bacon, egg, & cheese McGriddle (pancake) sandwich.
15:50 owen From what I hear that's halfway to a donut sandwich itself
15:50 jwagner It's getting there
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15:55 jwagner And with all that, I think I'll go get some lunch...
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16:20 wizzyrea I like the new jquery site... comments on the documentation pages are really helpful
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16:50 chris_n heya brendan
16:50 brendan hey chris_n
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16:53 wizzyrea Si still on holiday?
16:53 wizzyrea (gentle prod about koha-community dns)
16:58 owen Not to mention channel ops?
17:02 wizzyrea well we'd have to kick everyone out to re-establish ops
17:02 wizzyrea or bounce the server
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17:16 chris_n we need a channel server on the same box to maintain ops
17:16 * jwagner 's eyes are blurring -- I just read that as channel surfing to maintain cops....
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17:53 chris_n wb nengard
17:54 wizzyrea nengard, still in the hospital?
17:54 nengard yes
17:54 nengard doc just left - i'm stuck here another night
17:54 wizzyrea oh nm just saw your tweet
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17:54 wizzyrea do they know what's wrong?
17:57 nengard yeah - asthma
17:57 nengard that they've known all this time
17:57 nengard it's just an acute asthma attack that my lungs aren't jumping back from
17:58 wizzyrea :( do they know what triggered it?
18:01 chris_n so if I have a circ rule which allows two renewals for a given patron category, why would the renew column on the circ page show no renewals allowed?
18:02 * chris_n thinks we ought to report which rule is being applied to result in a failed renewal
18:02 wizzyrea erm, wrong itype?
18:02 nengard wizzyrea a sinus infection - a bad one
18:02 wizzyrea oh that suuuuucks
18:03 chris_n wizzyrea: well, this is the default rule and there is no rule for that itype
18:03 chris_n so shouldn't the default apply?
18:03 wizzyrea something is tickling..
18:03 * chris_n wonders if the rules code works correctly :(
18:03 wizzyrea there was a thing about the default rules
18:03 wizzyrea it's tickling my mind
18:04 wizzyrea like they weren't always applied
18:04 chris_n I'll create a rule for that itype and see if that fixes it
18:04 wizzyrea try adding a rule for your itype and see ... yea
18:04 * chris_n now has the privilege of being both a dev and user :P
18:04 wizzyrea oh dear lol
18:04 wizzyrea gl ;)
18:04 * owen notices from the log that munin` didn't pass on a message chris_n left for him
18:04 * owen wonders how he got on munin` 's bad side
18:05 chris_n poor owen
18:05 * chris_n admonishes munin` to be more kind like his nemesis munin
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18:18 chris_n interesting... even with a specific rule, C4::Circulation->CanBookBeRenewed() fails to find a matching rule
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18:51 chris_n wizzyrea: is there a bug open for the failure of the default rule to apply?
18:54 chris_n hmm... it appears to be a busted SQL statement
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19:16 rhcl wizzyrea: would it be appropriate to have a link to the chat archives on
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19:27 wizzyrea oh sure
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19:28 wizzyrea chris: I thought there was one
19:28 wizzyrea lemme look
19:29 wizzyrea er, chris_n
19:29 wizzyrea gerg, = slow
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20:37 chris_n wizzyrea: if you find it, let me know, 'cause I fixed it :)
20:41 * chris_n finds it interesting that people now expect phone support from the community
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20:44 wizzyrea !! is that something on the mailing list?
20:44 wizzyrea interestingly, there is a staffed wordpress pay-per-incident help line
20:44 wizzyrea that you can call
20:45 wizzyrea so I suppose the precedent for community help over the phone is there
20:45 * wizzyrea just gave up her million dollar idea.
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20:46 wizzyrea chris_n I was thinking of this bug, which isn't quite the same
20:46 wizzyrea[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3785
20:46 munin` Bug 3785: critical, PATCH-Sent, ---,, ASSIGNED, New Install, no maxreserves setting, OPAC holds fail
20:47 wizzyrea but it might be this one
20:47 wizzyrea[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4123
20:47 munin` Bug 4123: critical, P5, ---,, NEW, Error in checking whether a checkout can be renewed
20:48 chris_n we could have a pay-per-incident phone support section of the site which randomly chooses a vendor
20:48 chris heh
20:48 wizzyrea ...
20:48 * chris_n tries to put the lid back on the can of worms now
20:48 wizzyrea that's actually quite brilliant
20:48 wizzyrea ez to do with google voice
20:48 wizzyrea or you all take a week
20:48 chris_n yup
20:48 wizzyrea not sure how it would work with overseas vendors
20:49 * chris_n thinks there are sufficient voip solutions to take care of that
20:49 chris timezones would kinda suck
20:49 chris_n a few asterisk servers in the proper locations
20:49 chris youd have to build in some knowledge about that
20:49 chris_n the "random" script could also handle timezone call routing
20:50 wizzyrea chris_n was that the bug?
20:50 * chris_n looks
20:50 wizzyrea the 2nd, not the first
20:51 chris_n yup
20:51 wizzyrea i win the internet. :D
20:51 chris_n colin's comment may be correct, but kyle's patch should be applied in the meantime
20:52 wizzyrea I like the usage of the term baroque in that
20:52 wizzyrea it's both baroque (old) and baroquen (broken)
20:52 * chris_n thinks many things are lacking in the circ rules, but hdl_laptop assures me there is a major fix/improvement in the offing
20:52 chris_n probably some of both :)
20:53 chris_n man, its past quitting time
20:53 chris_n and its Friday as well
20:53 * wizzyrea dreams of quitting time
20:53 chris_n @dict quit
20:53 munin` chris_n: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: gcide: Quit \Quit\, v. i. To go away; to depart; to stop doing a thing; to cease. [1913 Webster]; gcide: Quit \Quit\ (kw[i^]t), n. (Zool.) Any one of numerous species of small passerine birds native of tropical America. See {Banana quit}, under {Banana}, and {Guitguit}. [1913 Webster]; gcide: Guitguit \Guit"guit`\, n. [So called from its note.] (Zool.) One (14 more messages)
20:54 wizzyrea lol, the guitquit
20:54 chris_n @more
20:54 munin` chris_n: of several species of small tropical American birds of the family {C[oe]rebid[ae]}, allied to the creepers; -- called also {quit}. See {Quit}. [1913 Webster] gulae; gcide: Quit \Quit\ (kw[i^]t), a. [OE. quite, OF. quite, F. quitte. See {Quit}, v., {Quiet}.] Released from obligation, charge, penalty, etc.; free; clear; absolved; acquitted. --Chaucer. [1913 Webster] The owner of the ox shall be quit. (13 more messages)
20:54 chris_n @more
20:54 munin` chris_n: --Ex. xxi. 28. [1913 Webster] Note: This word is sometimes used in the form quits, colloquially; as, to be quits with one, that is, to have made mutual satisfaction of demands with him; to be even with him; hence, as an exclamation: Quits! we are even, or on equal terms. "To cry quits with the commons in their complaints." --Fuller. [1913 Webster]; wn: quit v 1: put an end to a state or an activity; (12 more messages)
20:54 chris_n @more
20:54 munin` chris_n: "Quit teasing your little brother" [syn: {discontinue}, {stop}, {cease}, {give up}, {lay off}] [ant: {continue}] 2: give up or retire from a position; "The Secretary fo the Navy will leave office next month"; "The chairman resigned over the financial scandal" [syn: {leave office}, {step down}, {resign}] [ant: {take office}] 3: go away or leave [syn: {depart}, {take leave}] [ant: {stay}] 4: turn away (11 more messages)
20:54 * chris_n stops spamming the channel and goes home
20:55 chris_n bbl
20:57 chris heh
20:58 chris oh interesting email from amy schuler
20:59 wizzyrea oh yea I saw that
20:59 wizzyrea snizzle!
20:59 wizzyrea the public shaming aspect of that is especially choice
21:00 chris yup
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