IRC log for #koha, 2010-03-08

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03:37 Amit_G heya chirs
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05:03 Nouman Good morning
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06:28 Nouman Hi all
06:29 Nouman when will latest windows version of koha will release
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07:03 Amit_G hi nicomo
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07:06 CGI723 Hi anyone knoweldgeable about Koha basics?
07:06 nicomo Hi Amit_G
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13:05 jdavidb mornin', #koha.
13:07 gmcharlt good morning and good night
13:07 jwagner and good afternoon
13:10 hdl_laptop hi
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13:17 jdavidb howdy, owen.
13:17 owen Happy Monday all
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13:32 schuster hey all...  rainy Monday but at least it is above 50 degrees!
13:38 jwagner we have sun, but your rain is due here about Wednesday :-(
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14:23 * jdavidb peers quizzically at "alohabot" and wonders what it is supposed to do.
14:24 jdavidb @quote random
14:24 munin jdavidb: Quote #35: "<sekjal> it seemed like a good idea at the time...." (added by jwagner at 02:58 PM, September 17, 2009)
14:24 jwagner There's your answer....
14:25 * jdavidb chuckles.
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14:26 sekjal well, it did...
14:26 chris_n g'morning
14:26 sekjal good morning, chris_n
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14:31 brendan morning sekjal
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14:52 magnus google tells me i should search for "alohabob" instead of "alohabot"...
14:57 chris_n it appears to belong to the folks in NZland
14:59 gmcharlt alohabot: help
15:00 gmcharlt just guessing...
15:00 gmcharlt @later tell masonj is alohabot yours?
15:00 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
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15:43 sekjal morning, nengard!
15:44 nengard hiya!!
15:46 wizzyrea how was that brutal commute, sekjal? ;)
15:46 sekjal I got pretty tired near the kitchen, and had to stop for coffee, but I made it.  ::whew::
15:47 wizzyrea was wondering if the traffic report included such gems as "there is a cat stalled in the sunbeam near the foyer, causing delays due to petting"
15:47 wizzyrea <insert your pet of choice>
15:48 sekjal wizzyrea: they ARE stalled out in sunbeams.  there are lots of windows here, and the weather is gorgeous
15:48 moodaepo wizzyrea: >[…]y,0,5339879.story
15:49 moodaepo No petting though
15:51 gmcharlt wizzyrea: sekjal: the life of a telecomutter has unexpected trials and travails ;)
15:51 gmcharlt er, especially when the 'mutter meets the kitties
15:52 * jwagner thinks the solution is not to have kitties, but is aware that some people don't agree with that :-)
15:53 * gmcharlt thinks that's a very silly suggestion
15:54 * moodaepo just realized the nature of sekjal's commute do'h
15:55 * collum thinks that if it wasn't for kitties the family structure would collapse.
15:55 nengard wizzyrea - that sounds like my commute!! dodging little dogs that are trying to get underfoot :)
15:55 wizzyrea hehe
15:55 sekjal after 2.5 hours each way, this is like a dream.  I look forward to the day when it all averages out to less than 30 minutes
15:57 gmcharlt moodaepo: drat - that means we don't get to regale you with tales of the man-eating Maine Coons bedevilling the streets where sekjal lives ;)
15:57 moodaepo gmcharlt++ # that line sounds like something from Twain : )
15:58 nengard am I the only one who missed the newest OCLC drama?
15:59 gmcharlt nengard: there's been both private and public sides to it
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15:59 nengard I'm just trying to catch up on it all
15:59 gmcharlt the public side has been blogged about for a week or so, although not heavily
15:59 nengard I'm not sure I understand yet
15:59 gmcharlt for the private side, somebody is apparently sending anonymous emails to a bunch of people complaining about the salaries of the OCLC trustees
16:00 sekjal I've missed a lot this last week; there's OCLC drama?
16:00 nengard sekjal[…]le/CA6720609.html
16:00 sekjal nengard: thanks!
16:00 nengard &[…]-easy-being-oclc/
16:00 nengard the 2 sides of the story
16:01 paul_p hello #world
16:01 gmcharlt sekjal: also see a couple posts on the front page of
16:02 sekjal thank, gmcharlt and nengard.  hello, paul_p
16:14 pastebot "nengard" at pasted "errors" (5 lines) at
16:14 nengard can anyone help with these errors?
16:14 nengard I fetched on Friday and rebased and now i see this when i try to get to my koha install
16:16 gmcharlt nengard: at first glance, it just appears that mysqld is not running
16:17 nengard k - and how would get that up and running again?
16:17 nengard cause I didn't turn it off :)
16:17 gmcharlt nengard: first, check by doing ps -ef | grep mysqld
16:17 nengard nengard   2011  1939  0 06:20 pts/0    00:00:00 grep mysqld
16:18 gmcharlt k, it's definitely gone
16:18 gmcharlt so do
16:18 gmcharlt sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start
16:18 nengard /etc/init.d/mysql: ERROR: The partition with /var/lib/mysql is too full! failed!
16:18 nengard uh oh!
16:18 wizzyrea lol
16:18 nengard :)
16:19 wizzyrea oops
16:19 gmcharlt nengard: df -k
16:19 * jdavidb hates it when that happens.
16:19 nengard gmcharlt - what are we looking for on that? I don't want to paste it all
16:20 gmcharlt how your filesystem is laid out - whether it's spread out across mutliple disks, or allocating everything to /
16:21 pastebot "nengard" at pasted "disk" (10 lines) at
16:21 nengard looks spread out to me
16:22 jdavidb very.
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16:25 nengard k - so what do I do? do I give it more space do i delete temp files? i'm using virtualbox - if that matters
16:25 gmcharlt nengard: it should help - you can allocate more disk to the VM
16:26 jdavidb you might also look for excess junk in /var.  /var/log, for one, can accumulate a lot of stuff after a while.  purging old logs might be useful.
16:26 gmcharlt yep
16:26 nengard jdavidb - are there any logs I would need to keep?
16:27 gmcharlt although 1.1 GB is rather little space for /var unless your laptop doesn't have any more free disk space
16:27 nengard it has plenty of space
16:28 jdavidb Normally, the system will zip 'em up after a couple of days, so you could delete the *.gz files you find there in a pinch.  But I'm with gmcharlt--give it more room.
16:28 gmcharlt nengard: try cd /var; du -k -s *
16:28 gmcharlt that will give you an indicate of which directories are taking up the most space
16:29 pastebot "nengard" at pasted "cd /var; sudo du -k -s *" (14 lines) at
16:29 nengard is there a way with virtualbox to re-allocate space?
16:29 nengard i'm looking now - but if someone knows :)
16:30 gmcharlt plenty of stuff under /var/log to delete
16:30 nengard heck yeah there is!!!
16:30 nengard just wanted to know if there was anything that has to stay in there - if not i'll empty it
16:30 gmcharlt I'd start with deleting anything that has a *.gz extension in /var/log/apache2
16:31 gmcharlt don't wipe, but any file that has name of the form foo.log.number.gz should be safe to delete
16:32 nengard can't get into the apache2 folder - permissions denied - but i do have *.gz files in the log folder I can remove
16:33 nengard bleh can't remove anything permission denied .... hmmmm
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16:33 nengard they are owned by adm - but i don't know who adm is
16:33 gmcharlt nengard: sudo rm name_of_file.gz
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16:35 nengard woo hoo
16:35 nengard nengard@debian:/var/log$  sudo /etc/init.d/mysql startStarting MySQL database server: mysqld ..
16:35 nengard now i'm going to add more space to it anyway
16:35 nengard thanks guys!!
16:36 gmcharlt ok, looks like resizing the disk may not be an option in virtualbox
16:37 gmcharlt so simplest thing to do would be to add another virtual disk to the VM
16:37 gmcharlt mount it as a new filesystem in Debian
16:39 gmcharlt then move the mysql datafiles there and create a symlink from /var/lib/mysql to the new filesystem
16:39 nengard gmcharlt - yeah - was just reading the same thing - can't change disk space
16:40 nengard as for what you're suggesting I do - I'm not sure I know how to do that on my own - I had Chris walk me through the entire setup of Koha on virtualbox - and now I have manual writing to do
16:40 nengard so I'll keep an eye on it for now
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17:25 brendan @weather 93117
17:25 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 13.5�C (9:22 AM PST on March 08, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Steady).
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17:38 schuster @weather 75035
17:38 munin schuster: The current temperature in Stonebrook, Frisco, Texas is 13.9�C (11:37 AM CST on March 08, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Falling).
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17:39 schuster Looks like we are about the same!  cloudy with a chance of rain...  getting hungry meatballs would be better...
17:39 brendan chance_of_meatballs++
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17:42 moodaepo @weather 56001
17:42 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 2.3�C (11:41 AM CST on March 08, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Steady).
17:43 sekjal @weather 01060
17:43 munin sekjal: The current temperature in Haydenville Center, Haydenville, Massachusetts is 10.6�C (12:41 PM EST on March 08, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 24%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Falling).
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17:48 theraphos hi
17:49 theraphos I am 93D0!!!!!!!
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18:03 CGI930 Hi!
18:06 CGI930 Just a simple question: I wish to export bibliographic and holding data via command line. I saw the 2.8 section on manual to do this via web
18:07 CGI930 Also on a FAQ I'd found "There are also command-line utilities for import/export if you prefer those.", but I couldn't find this script, only for import ( but not for export
18:14 CGI930 I couldn't find anything on /usr/share/koha/bin...
18:18 schuster Can someone else tell me or check this?  When I look at Inventory and I select a library they are not in alpha order - ...  I havn't updated in a few days so wanted to check before I do a bug.
18:22 nengard schuster - you are right
18:22 nengard they are not in order
18:30 schuster OK bug here I come.
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18:31 Ropuch Evening #koha
18:34 sekjal hello, Ropuch
18:34 schuster Also in looking at the "locations" for shelving I see Book Cart 4 times and Processing 4 times.
18:38 schuster Bywater - link to staff interface isn't working on ...?
18:39 schuster opac link doesn't work either???
18:40 schuster jwagner about?
18:41 schuster Must be out getting ready to splash in the puddles ...
18:41 schuster lunch mmmm...
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18:47 juan-xercode hi
18:48 juan-xercode we got an error in koha that is in 3.2 version
18:48 juan-xercode when we are cataloging, and push Save
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18:49 juan-xercode when the interface to save items appears, if we push inmediately "add item", this item will not be indexed
18:51 juan-xercode i put a new field in zebraqueue, "xml" to see when the function mark_done ( it saves the xml that is indexed
18:51 juan-xercode and no item appears in this xml
18:51 juan-xercode we put other field, a timestamp (on update) to see what happens first, if the zebraqueue or the update in biblioitems
18:52 juan-xercode and all its ok, but the item is not indexed in zebra
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19:08 chris_n juan-xercode: you need to run misc/migration_tools/ -a -b -z
19:08 chris_n as your kohauser
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19:20 juan-xercode yes, but this is a fix for now, but we can not do it in all of the libraries where it crashes
19:22 juan-xercode i dont know what it happens, we have a library where it crashes all the times, and in a Local Koha only sometimes, but it is hard to see it
19:24 juan-xercode i will continue to see it tomorrow,
19:24 juan-xercode bye and thank you
19:31 wizzyrea nengard: the business dir plugin doesn't like MU
19:31 nengard hmm
19:31 chris_n juan-xercode: you will have to setup a cron job to run it at regular intervals on production machines
19:34 wizzyrea i have a request in with the developers but who knows if they'll fix it
19:34 nengard wizzyrea - http://businessdirectory.squar[…]leased-v08-5beta/
19:34 nengard says it works on MU
19:34 wizzyrea yea, but it doesn't
19:34 nengard bleh
19:34 wizzyrea fatal error
19:34 nengard thought maybe you had a wrong version -- oh well
19:35 wizzyrea nope
19:35 wizzyrea I have two comments on that post saying "hey, it's busted in MU"
19:35 wizzyrea with details
19:35 wizzyrea but they're pending moderation
19:37 nengard hmm
19:38 wizzyrea wouldn't worry about it... we'll figure something out
19:39 wizzyrea i'im convinced that any way we do it someone won't like, might as well wait and get it as close to right as possible.
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19:41 nengard yup
19:42 nengard agreed
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19:53 richard hi
20:09 owen schuster still around?
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20:32 schuster Howdy - texas drawl
20:32 schuster Owen what's up?
20:33 owen Your bug about shelving locations... Did you check your authorized values?
20:33 owen I think you probably just have duplicates there. I did.
20:33 owen I suspect there was an updatedatabase somewhere along the line that incorrectly duplicated some
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20:42 schuster I'll check the shelving locations again, but I thought I had and there wasn't anything there.  Let me go back.
20:45 schuster Ah yes loc - not CCODE...  I always think Library of Congress and can't figure out why that is there!  But still a problem...
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20:48 wizzyrea ok, I have a hypothetical for you
20:48 wizzyrea lets say you have a bunch of libraries
20:48 wizzyrea placing holds from opac and staff client
20:48 wizzyrea items getting checked in and out
20:49 schuster With ya so far wizzyrea.
20:49 wizzyrea would bad response time from the server cause anomalies with the holds functions?
20:49 schuster That's usually what happens in libraries... ;)
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20:49 wizzyrea a la schusters problem with the checkins not happening under high load conditions
20:49 wizzyrea schuster's*
20:50 schuster Was the item actually checked in or is it still checked out so the hold wasn't triggered?
20:50 wizzyrea well it looks like it was checked in, and it shows the "hold alert"
20:50 wizzyrea and you can click the button
20:50 wizzyrea and something happens
20:50 wizzyrea but our holds queues are BIZARRE
20:51 wizzyrea not just the lists, the actual hold queues on specific bibs
20:51 wizzyrea and it's only started in the last few weeks
20:51 wizzyrea mind you, we have no new code
20:51 wizzyrea (that we know of)
20:51 * wizzyrea grumbles about that
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20:52 schuster We did see that if you click ignore on a first available copy it does strange things...
20:52 wizzyrea yes, i've noticed that too
20:52 wizzyrea but I can't blame everything on that
20:52 wizzyrea and this isn't 3.2
20:52 schuster Your copy goes to available - but the hold may never get queued again.
20:52 schuster Right LL 3.0.x
20:53 schuster I have not played with holds yet on 3.2...  Still in testing mode on several things.
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20:55 wizzyrea well the 3.2 holds are still a bit funky
20:55 wizzyrea I have high hopes though
20:56 wizzyrea not sure they could be worse than what we're dealing with now though
20:56 * wizzyrea looks for  a rope and a high precipice
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21:52 rhcl So is there no open source version of WorldCat?
21:52 brendan @weather 93117
21:52 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 18.7�C (1:49 PM PST on March 08, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016.5 hPa (Falling).
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22:08 schuster rhcl - no - Biblios is as close as it gets, but it is a little buggy
22:08 schuster
22:08 wizzyrea and don't try biblios with FF 3.6
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22:11 richard what are the implications of turnign IndependentBranches on after a Koha has gone into production?
22:12 rhcl Well, I done it anyway (checked the site w/ FF3.6), and nothing exploded, but I assume you ment logging in and doing something, which I didn't do.
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22:24 schuster richard - from my understanding it doesn't share patron data I am unsure how it deals with bibs and items.
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22:25 richard ah cool. thanks
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