IRC log for #koha, 2010-02-26

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00:08 Jo hi all
00:09 braedon|work ahoy Jo
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00:19 chris hi Jo
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00:33 Jo Chris :)
00:33 Jo hello stranger
00:33 Jo me the stranger that is
00:34 Jo Trustees acceopted the koha rules with 1 change - that people with criminal convictions are not eleigible to be officeholders on the Koha subcommittee
00:34 russ :-)
00:34 chris sounds fair enough to me
00:34 Jo waves at Russ too :)
00:35 * braedon|work feels rejected
00:35 Jo I don't imagine that will cause any ruckus in the Koha community.
00:35 Jo waves and blows kisses at the entire Koha community :)
00:36 Jo the other thing is that the Councillors who were at our meeting suggested that the mayor should be asked / invited to host a mayoral reception for KohaCon attendees
00:36 Jo welcome them to Horowhenua etc
00:36 Jo just writing that letter and wondered about which date we should suggest.
00:37 chris i think you need to talk to Mark at ASHS about that
00:37 Jo I did poiont out it could feasibly be anything between 100 - 300 people but they wreren't fazed by that :)
00:37 russ right
00:37 chris wasnt part of the plan to do that as part of the road trip?
00:37 russ but transporting that number to levin could be an issue
00:37 chris yeah
00:37 Jo buses I guess
00:38 Jo I'll get a quote aye
00:38 chris can't hurt
00:38 chris the other thing is the time factor
00:38 Jo yep
00:38 Jo coz it is 1.5 hours drive each way
00:38 chris it will eat up a good chunk of a day
00:38 chris yeah
00:38 chris it would be neat tho
00:38 Jo late afternoon / evening
00:39 Jo starting to get lighter october / november
00:39 chris yup
00:39 Jo but would have to be leaving wgtn by 4pm to get away ahead of the traffic
00:39 chris yeah, the other option would be the day after, ie thursday
00:39 Jo would be neat but maybe too hard ....
00:39 chris and start the hackfest on friday
00:39 Jo yep
00:40 Jo but we would lose a productive day
00:40 chris yeah but it might be nice to have that break, 3 days of thinking .. have a break and get back into
00:40 Jo leaving wgtn at 4pm would mean we still get a good solid chunk of productivity
00:40 Jo true.
00:40 Jo there might be marketing grant which could pay for the bus
00:41 chris yeah, wouldnt want to do that on any of the conference days, but maybe the first day of the hackfest could finish early
00:41 Jo you know : selling our region to international tourists who will go and tell everyone at home how pretty naturte coast is
00:41 chris :)
00:41 chris i figure get some quotes cant hurt
00:41 Jo train etc would be nightmare
00:41 chris yup
00:41 Jo ok. Ill get some quotes and bring them to next community meeting
00:42 chris im sure we could get a reporter or 2 along
00:42 Jo and will strat the inquiry process with the mayor and suggest it would be thursday early eveningveing
00:42 Jo might try and tie it into tea on way back to wgtn
00:42 chris yeah thats a good idea
00:42 Jo do we have any estimates at all on numbers we could be xpecting?
00:43 russ less than 120 as that is all the room can hold
00:43 Jo for planning, quoting purposes? - and I know they are all best guesses
00:43 Jo cool :)
00:43 chris well yes and no
00:43 chris because ppl are bringing partners
00:44 chris which might want to come to the reception, but not the conference
00:44 chris but yeah it wouldnt be much more than that
00:44 Jo of course. ok - will say may be 50-150 :)
00:44 chris so far (excluding, russ, jo and mark osborne) all the registrations have been from overseas
00:45 Jo i am planning to bring 2 down with me (have booked 2 room apartment)
00:45 chris but we havent really started a registration drive yet, will send out another email after the next meeting
00:45 Jo sure.
00:45 chris and maybe get you to forward it to the librarian type lists
00:46 Jo so we suggest 28th Oct to the mayor
00:46 chris as a tentative date
00:47 russ heh i didnt realise the first day of conf is labour day
00:48 russ that is a bit of a pain - all the cafe's will have their stupid holiday surcharge
00:48 chris well theres quite a few now that don't
00:48 chris ill make a list of them
00:48 chris :)
00:49 chris ive started asking, then leaving if they do
00:50 Jo thats a powerful message
00:51 chris maybe ill start
00:51 chris
00:51 chris and list ones that have surcharges
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01:09 russ chris: sister site to our credit card one :-) ?
01:09 chris good idea :)
01:09 chris probably be lots of crossover
01:14 Jo reflecting that Rosalie being fully prepared as a koha 3.2 trainer can only be a good thing for NZ koha prospects
01:14 Jo though I think she was planning to retire :)
01:14 chris yup
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03:34 Amit_G hi all
03:34 Amit_G good morning chris
03:39 richard hi amit
03:39 * richard reads back and realises that looking at the kohacon registration page isn't the same as filling it in
03:42 Amit_G hi richard
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03:56 Amit_G Any one tested koha-alpha on Centos5
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06:57 Ropuch Morning #koha
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08:02 * magnus wonders if should really be called Koha *Developer* Wiki
08:06 chris not really the sql library, the meetings agenda/minutes ... the kohausers table etc
08:07 chris theres is lots of non developer stuff on there, including install guides
08:07 chris just Koha Wiki would do
08:07 chris but again, we cant change that
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08:17 chris hi IrmaCalyx
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08:20 kf good morning
08:24 Amit_G heya kf,, Ropuch
08:27 magnus chris: ah yes, the old access to assets issue... :-(
08:38 IrmaCalyx hi all
08:43 IrmaCalyx sorry ... last interruption that my daughters are out to enjoy their Friday evening meet-up with friends
08:43 IrmaCalyx May I be lazy and ask 1 question?
08:44 IrmaCalyx Without looking it up...
08:44 magnus you can try... ;-)
08:44 IrmaCalyx Sure it has been asked before
08:44 IrmaCalyx What is the max of rows for a bulk patron import?
08:45 IrmaCalyx The requested resource
08:45 IrmaCalyx does not allow request data with POST requests, or the amount of data provided in the request exceeds the capacity limit.
08:46 IrmaCalyx Perhaps an answer magnus? ^.^
08:47 IrmaCalyx I can send you some sunshine and heat in exchange...
08:48 magnus that would be nice... but i never heard of a limit...
08:48 IrmaCalyx so the file size can be unlimited?
08:49 IrmaCalyx The error message said: Request Entity Too Large
08:49 magnus there may be limits set by your server
08:50 IrmaCalyx I see ...
08:50 magnus i would try dividing the file into smaller files if it's huge
08:51 IrmaCalyx It's less than 1.500 paton records
08:52 magnus that doesn't sound huge...
08:53 IrmaCalyx Something else might be happening. Client just emailed. Ok, sounds like I will have to ask my team
08:54 paul_p hi irma & magnus (& anyone else around)
08:55 magnus hi paul_p
08:55 IrmaCalyx Thanks magnus...
08:55 IrmaCalyx hi Paul Ca va?
08:55 paul_p IrmaCalyx: yep, thanks. it's friday, the week end should be sunny, we feel spring coming.
08:56 IrmaCalyx It's been a long winter! Enjoy
09:00 IrmaCalyx Our days have started to be noticably shorter since a week or so ... but happy it's giving you the early taste of spring  ... mostly!
09:01 IrmaCalyx :-) I am off for some dinner ... Good evening all.
09:02 IrmaCalyx Have a good day
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11:26 gmcharlt greetings #koha
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12:11 kf hi gmcharlt
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12:22 nengard morning all
12:23 nengard I have a 'trailing whitespace' question ... I'm getting these errors for patches of mine that haven't been pushed yet ... is this an issue on tmpl files? or just pl files?
12:23 paul_p2 good morning nengard & gmcharlt
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12:44 gmcharlt nengard: trailing whitespace doesn't really matter as far as Koha source files are concerned
12:45 nengard gmcharlt - okay  -well I submitted follow ups to remove those errors anyway :)
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13:01 jwagner @wunder 20740
13:01 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 0.1�C (8:01 AM EST on February 26, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: -6.0�C. Pressure: 29.37 in 994.5 hPa (Falling). High Wind Warning in effect until 6 PM EST this evening...
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13:04 fallor hi #koha :)
13:11 nengard okay - i've added more acquisitions documentation - i think we could use an acq tutorial day hosted by biblibre :)
13:11 nengard jwagner - i'd rather have high wind over my forcast
13:11 nengard @wunder 19030
13:11 munin nengard: The current temperature in JAT Observatory, Fairless Hills, Pennsylvania is -3.3�C (8:00 AM EST on February 26, 2010). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -7.0�C. Pressure: 29.09 in 985.0 hPa (Rising). Winter Storm Warning in effect until noon EST today...
13:13 jwagner nengard, not sure about that.  The wind is REALLY strong (gusts 50-60 mph) which makes it VERY cold out there....
13:13 jwagner One can cope with snow, but you can't shovel wind....
13:13 nengard we have the wind too :)
13:13 nengard it's 'blizzard conditions'
13:14 jwagner The best of both worlds!  They say we may get a little snow today off the back side of the storm.
13:14 fallor i think i found a bug in OPAC
13:15 fallor Related subjects doesn't work right when using XSLTDetailsDisplay
13:16 fallor clicking on chained subject terms only does the search with the first term in the chain
13:17 fallor for example:[…]biblionumber=1720
13:17 fallor all the links do the search with "su:maailmanmusiikki"
13:18 fallor instead of "su:maailmanmusiikki and su:[whatever]"
13:18 fallor which is what you'd expect
13:18 fallor is this a known thingy?
13:18 gmcharlt @quote add <fallor> is this a known thingy?
13:18 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.  Quote #62 added.
13:18 gmcharlt sorry, couldn't resist
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13:19 gmcharlt fallor: does sound like a bug - file a report at
13:19 fallor ok, will do :)
13:19 jdavidb @quote random
13:19 munin jdavidb: Quote #10: "< pianohacker> You helped start an open source project; clearly your sense of what to avoid to make your life easier has been impaired for a while :)" (added by chris at 03:59 PM, June 23, 2009)
13:20 jdavidb lol
13:20 jwagner I'm looking on an OPAC at roughly .061 level and the related subject query link looks like q=an:3663
13:20 jwagner Looks like major changes to that area?
13:21 gmcharlt jwagner: q=an: I think is used only if a heading is linked to an authority via a subfield $9
13:21 gmcharlt otherwise, the search on subject terms is used isntead
13:22 jwagner gmcharlt, I think that's the case.  Just checked a current head system and it still uses the an: -- we have authority records in the system.
13:22 jwagner Never mind....
13:40 jwagner @quote random
13:40 munin jwagner: Quote #40: "<tomascohen> hi everyone, just wanted to say I'm happy i managed to bypass the firewall to be with you *** tomascohen quit (Remote host closed the connection)" (added by ricardo at 11:05 AM, October 08, 2009)
13:41 tomascohen that was great
13:41 jdavidb @quote random
13:41 munin jdavidb: Quote #14: "joetho: I only looked for missing ccodes- not dysfunctional orphans." (added by wizzyrea at 04:31 PM, July 09, 2009)
13:47 kf @quote random
13:47 munin kf: Quote #19: "<chris> i just want to yell things like don't kick the ball, pass it and Feed the backs" (added by jdavidb at 08:11 AM, July 27, 2009)
13:50 owen fallor still here?
13:50 * owen is wondering what version of Koha fallor is running
13:54 magnus owen: he mentioned[…]biblionumber=1720 which says <meta name="generator" content="Koha 3.0000107" />
13:54 magnus (or she, for all i know)
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14:09 * owen really needs to set up an install of 3.0.x for testing
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14:17 nengard gmcharlt and paul_p2 what's the status on bug 3881 ?
14:17 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3881 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---,, NEW, No Page for Opac Privacy
14:17 gmcharlt not pushed yet, will be working on patches this weekend
14:20 nengard okey dokey!!
14:24 jwagner I see snowflakes out my window!
14:26 nengard LOL
14:27 owen That doesn't help pin down your location very accurately jwagner
14:27 nengard she's just seeing them now - that helps a bit - the rest of us on the east have had it non stop since yesterday
14:27 jwagner @wunder 20740
14:27 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 0.8�C (9:27 AM EST on February 26, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: -6.0�C. Pressure: 29.38 in 994.8 hPa (Falling). High Wind Warning in effect until 6 PM EST this evening...
14:27 jwagner does that help, owen?
14:28 owen Now we know where to bring the shovels if you stop broadcasting
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14:29 jwagner Nah, the time for shovels was a couple of weeks ago.  We're only supposed to get an inch or two max out of this one.
14:34 fallor owen: yep, i'm still here
14:35 fallor owen: yep, still here (or rather again)
14:35 fallor i'm repeating myself
14:35 owen Hi fallor, I was asking about your Koha version.
14:36 fallor it's 3.00.something, let me check that for you
14:36 fallor is the exact version
14:37 fallor the demo system on seems to do the same, i'm not sure which version that is
14:37 owen LibLime doesn't use real Koha, so don't check their demos
14:38 fallor oh, they don't?
14:38 owen LibLime has forked Koha. They don't release their developments to the community anymore.
14:38 fallor err... how is that possible?
14:38 owen But they won't give us access to, so we can't change the links there
14:38 fallor i thought it's all gpl
14:39 owen Check for current news
14:39 fallor ah, ok
14:39 owen Just because it's GPL doesn't mean they can't fork
14:39 fallor still they can't change the license can they?
14:40 owen No, but as long as they're hosting Koha for their customers, and as long as their customers never ask to see the actual code...
14:40 fallor so much for the ethics side on that...
14:41 fallor so liblime is becoming sort of a google of oss-librarysystems
14:42 fallor they take everything they can but give practically nothing back
14:42 owen I think that characterization is unfair to Google ;)
14:42 paul_p2 yep, I agree with owen
14:42 fallor whoa! :D
14:43 fallor so how long has this been going on?
14:43 paul_p2 something like 6 months ?
14:43 paul_p2 publicly => sept, 11th, when they announced publicly LLEK
14:43 paul_p2 (LL Entreprise Koha)
14:45 fallor that's a shame :(
14:48 owen paul_p2: Perhaps you or hdl_laptop could test Bug 4276 in 3.0.x? I suspect it's fixed in a more recent version than fallor has
14:48 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4276 normal, P5, ---,, NEW, "Related subjects" search is OPAC doesn't work with chained subject terms
14:54 magnus is "Computer networks  --Law and legislation  --United States." here:[…]pl?biblionumber=2 an appropriate example?
14:55 owen That's the right kind of thing, but fallor's looking at the XSL view
14:57 owen Hm... Actually it looks like this is still a problem
14:57 magnus owen: changed it to XSLT now, doesn't look too good (on HEAD)
14:59 paul_p2 mmm... I suspect it's a marc21 related bug, because in UNIMARC it works well
15:03 fallor whoops, barcode generator started acting up
15:03 fallor (whatonearth...?)
15:06 fallor it went from 1524, 15257, 15283, 152847
15:06 fallor doesn't seem too linear for me :D
15:06 fallor what's this about?
15:08 owen paul_p2: What are UNIMARC's subject tags? Is it a range of numbers like MARC21's 6** ?
15:08 paul_p2 owen: yep, it's 6xx
15:10 paul_p2 it's in C4/
15:11 paul_p2 strange, it's almost the same code (unimarc skip $2$3$4$5 where marc21 skip only $2)
15:14 fallor where does that excess 7 come from??
15:15 owen paul_p2: The XSL views don't use GetMarcSubjects do they?
15:17 gmcharlt owen: they do not
15:17 paul_p2 oups... sorry, you're right
15:17 paul_p2 should be a bug in xslt view
15:18 fallor strange things...
15:20 owen gmcharlt: Okay if I assign this one to you?
15:24 gmcharlt owen: sure
15:26 fallor gmcharlt: will that be a hard thing to fix?
15:26 gmcharlt no
15:26 fallor can you estimate how long will it take?
15:27 wizzyrea_ patience is a virtue
15:28 gmcharlt fallor: we'll see - I also have to get a release of 3.2 out, after all
15:30 * jwagner hands gmcharlt a time machine to get more hours in the day
15:31 fallor i'll see if there is something i can do about it myself
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15:31 fallor i'm not an expert in this kind of things in any way, but i'll let you know if i succeed in doing something about it
15:32 fallor now to home, big evening today
15:32 owen Is anyone doing anything interesting with unapi and Koha?
15:32 fallor finland-usa hockey @22 :)
15:33 fallor exiting... :)
15:33 owen Or examples of unapi being used with other systems?
15:33 * jwagner is cheering on USA!
15:34 jwagner despite the women's team loss yesterday....
15:36 fallor well as a finn you know what i'll be cheering ;)
15:37 jwagner I've had a problem with watching the hockey -- I'm an NHL hockey fan, so I have favorite players scattered across multiple national teams.  Sometimes hard to know which side to cheer for!
15:38 gmcharlt fallor: cool - go for it - if you can do a patch, that would be great
15:45 kf bye #koha and have a nice weekend all
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16:01 schuster I have a question while looking at the KohaCon 2010 information.
16:02 schuster Oct 25th is a monday - 3 day conference - ends Wednesday.  So Thursday/Friday - then a free weekend? hackfest continues Monday/Tuesday?
16:02 schuster 4 day hackfest.
16:03 schuster Just trying to see if I could swing it.  Problem would be the majority of the expense coming out of my pocket...
16:05 schuster Is anyone looking for a room mate ???
16:05 * owen vouches for schuster
16:06 schuster owen - meaning same question or? vouches - I would be allowed to come? ;)
16:07 owen I'm just letting everyone know that I think you'd make a good room mate :)
16:09 schuster LOL...  Thanks...  Trying to figure out time conversions...
16:19 jwagner hdl_laptop or paul_p, online?
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16:35 nengard training bugs all reported ... sorry to those dealing with reports/acq and serials :(
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17:00 gmcharlt is anybody else able to get to
17:01 nengard doesn't look like it on my end
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17:01 owen seems to be going down daily now
17:04 nengard loaded for me finally
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17:13 brendan morning #koha
17:13 brendan @wunder 93117
17:13 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.3�C (9:11 AM PST on February 26, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Rising). Flash Flood Watch in effect for the recent burn areas from this evening through Saturday evening...
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18:08 brendan hmmm...  quiet at the moment
18:09 gmcharlt BOOM!
18:09 brendan YEAH!
18:09 gmcharlt that help?
18:09 brendan thanks gmcharlt++
18:09 jwagner and I was enjoying the peace and quiet :-)
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19:05 brendan @karma
19:05 munin brendan: Highest karma: "chris" (110), "gmcharlt" (109), and "owen" (89).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-43), "failed" (-26), and "-" (-21).  You (brendan) are ranked 18 out of 723.
19:06 brendan ooooH  close one
19:06 brendan owen++
19:06 chris @wunder wellington, nz
19:06 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on February 27, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
19:06 brendan @wunder 93117
19:06 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 17.3�C (11:01 AM PST on February 26, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Rising). Flash Flood Watch in effect for the recent burn areas from this evening through Saturday evening...
19:06 chris gonna be a nice date
19:06 brendan morning chris
19:06 chris day even
19:06 chris hiya brendan
19:06 cait hi chris and brendan
19:06 chris hi cait
19:07 brendan so finally home and slept in my bed...  did wonders for my neck and back :)
19:07 brendan hi cait
19:07 brendan amazing how little things like that have such a big effect
19:07 brendan @karma brendan
19:07 munin brendan: Karma for "brendan" has been increased 16 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 16.
19:07 brendan :)
19:08 cait @karma cait
19:08 munin cait: Karma for "cait" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2.
19:08 brendan cait++
19:08 cait oh thx :)
19:08 chris yeah hotel beds can really mess you up
19:09 chris that and the fact you usually sleep way less than you need at conferences :)
19:09 brendan I think it was the plane flights -- the people I was sitting next too - should have had two seats to themselves instead of one
19:09 brendan I was crammed in the corner and I body felt like a big C
19:10 brendan s/I/my
19:10 chris hehe
19:10 chris i hear that
19:11 chris make sure to ask for an exit row on the flight to NZ
19:11 jdavidb cait++  # agreeing with brendan.
19:11 cait wow thx jdavidb
19:12 cait but not sure I m worth that much karma
19:13 gmcharlt cait++ # we disagree
19:13 jdavidb Sure you are.  Patches are not the only thing that make a good community, and karma isn't tied to patch-count (don't tell gmcharlt I said that.)  you're nice to have around here.
19:13 chris gonna try upgrading pootle from 2.0.0 to 2.0.2
19:13 chris which might make it stop crashing, or it might break everything
19:13 chris we'll soon find out
19:14 gmcharlt jdavidb: I can always decrement one whenever I push one of your patches, if you would prefer ;)
19:14 jdavidb gmcharlt:  oh, I don't mind getting incremented on patches.  But is nice to get incremented on other stuff too.
19:14 gmcharlt agreed
19:14 * cait blushes
19:14 brendan jdavidb++
19:15 brendan funny how my linux# doesn't understand that command
19:15 jdavidb 'sides, if you decrement on patch-count, I'd be ahead of jwagner, maybe...  now then....hmmm.
19:15 * brendan should make sure he's on the right screen
19:16 jdavidb thanx, brendan!
19:17 * jdavidb has done a weary-ingly-large amount of work this week, most of it invisibly.
19:20 cait chris: good luck!
19:24 chris ok, upgrade done, now im refreshing stats then ill start pootle again
19:30 * jwagner tells jdavidb Harrumph. Leave my karma alone!
19:30 jdavidb @karma jdavidb
19:30 munin jdavidb: Karma for "jdavidb" has been increased 17 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 17.
19:30 jdavidb @karma jwagner
19:30 munin jdavidb: Karma for "jwagner" has been increased 19 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 19.
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19:41 chris waiting waiting, halfway thru the intranet po files now
19:42 brendan @quote random
19:42 munin brendan: Quote #14: "joetho: I only looked for missing ccodes- not dysfunctional orphans." (added by wizzyrea at 04:31 PM, July 09, 2009)
19:43 * cait is waiting with chris
19:43 cait @quote random
19:43 munin cait: Quote #52: "<wizzyrea> Ahh, it's like putting on your slippers" (added by gmcharlt at 03:50 PM, January 28, 2010)
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19:44 brendan hi nelsonf
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19:58 chris @wunder wellington, nz
19:58 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (8:00 AM NZDT on February 27, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
19:59 gmcharlt @wunder 32605
20:00 munin gmcharlt: The current temperature in FoxFire Woods, Gainesville, Florida is 14.4�C (2:59 PM EST on February 26, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Falling).
20:00 chris ill pass you in about 20 mins i think gmcharlt
20:00 chris its bright blue sky .. sunscreen day today
20:00 chris ok is back
20:00 chris cait: can you give it a try
20:01 chris seems to be working as it should
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20:03 * gmcharlt looked at the completion bar for Basque, blinked, then realized that it was just for the Gnome terminology set
20:03 nengard chris - works here - a bit slow  but it works
20:03 chris hehe yeah
20:04 chris nengard: cool thanks
20:04 pabloab Hi all!
20:04 chris hiya pabloab
20:05 pabloab Just a simple question! Someone know who have rights to delete articles on koha's wiki?
20:05 chris anyone does
20:06 chris anyone with a login
20:06 pabloab I was trying to cleanup things (is a mess!)
20:06 gmcharlt pabloab: edit the page, set it to empty
20:06 chris then delete links to it
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20:06 chris and its gone
20:07 chris bbiab
20:08 pabloab oops! just clean all the content? I'm familiar with wikipedia, where only "vip users" (librarians) can delete
20:08 cait chris: sorry was afk, pootle works fine for me
20:08 cait chris++
20:09 gmcharlt pabloab: yep
20:09 pabloab Excelent! Thanks!
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20:12 pabloab Another: There is a reason why no one on english community dares to move all those articles to en:wiki namespace ?
20:13 gmcharlt there's been at least one major namespace move recently that wasn't completed
20:13 jdavidb hi, pianohackr|work!  :)
20:13 chris pabloab: just time
20:13 gmcharlt I've no objection in principle, but some of the URLs such as the git tutorial are now well known URLs
20:14 chris i have one more thing to try, currently pootle is using sqlite for its stats, now tha file is 1.8gig
20:14 chris im gonna try to make it use mysql instead
20:14 chris but not today
20:14 chris today im going to the dragon boat festival
20:15 pabloab I was trying to fix someones, but I wasn't brave enough to move from here to there, perhaps breaking something
20:15 chris back later
20:16 pianohackr|work hola, jdavidb
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20:21 jwagner 3-0 US over Finland, early in first period :-)
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20:40 cait will go to bed - good night #koha!
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20:40 wizzyrea_ gnite cait
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21:23 jwagner In the old_issues table, is the timestamp the date/time the item was returned?
21:25 brendan timestamp is a mysql thing meaning the last time that row was touched
21:26 jwagner What would touch it in the old_issues table?  Anything besides the act of checking it in? (i.e., moving from issues to old_issues)
21:28 brendan not sure about that -
21:28 brendan most likely that should be your answer
21:29 jwagner I have a puzzler where an overdue notice went out after the item was allegedly returned.  The copy of the email notice has a date/time that doesn't match the message queue, and the item record shows a return date of one thing while the timestamp is a day later.  I'm wondering if someone is monkeying with bookdrop or something.
21:31 jwagner The grace period in circ rules only applies to fines, right? Not to overdues?
21:31 brendan it could also be a difference between the time on the server (where mysql gets it timestamp) versus the time that the browser is using (but don't quote me on that one)
21:31 wizzyrea_ jwagner: any time we've seen anything like that it's always been human intervention
21:31 jwagner Hmmm.  Time zone could be a possibility too -- server is on east coast, site/user is on west coast.
21:31 wizzyrea_ like, the bookdrop was processed late
21:32 jwagner I think time zone accounts for the email difference, but the timestamp is too far off for that.  I'll have the site librarian interrogate her staff :-)
21:52 brendan could also be the server is on UTC time and not east cost time
21:52 brendan but I wouldn't think that was totally true (just a guess)
21:52 jwagner No, server is definitely East Coast time -- everything else is OK.
21:53 brendan :)
21:54 jwagner I think it's a helpful desk staff person....
21:55 jwagner But I'll worry about it on Monday.  Have a good weekend, everyone.
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22:11 CGI722 can someone help a koha newbie out?
22:12 brendan go ahead and ask
22:12 CGI722 sweet! thanks....we just installed koha 3.00.004 on a CentOS 5.3 box
22:13 CGI722 imported about 20k MARC records
22:13 CGI722 during the import, the records came over but no items
22:13 CGI722 so we added a couple of items manually just to test the system out
22:13 CGI722 when we add 1 item to a record, public queries work
22:14 CGI722 but if we add another item to the same record, we get a 404 page
22:14 CGI722 this would be another item with a different barcode, but same title
22:15 CGI722 when do see the title in the search results, but clicking the title is when we get the 404
22:15 CGI722 if i remove the second item i added, the 404 goes away
22:15 CGI722 and we get a valid result
22:15 brendan hmmm.. I haven't seen that before
22:15 brendan maybe someone else here will help out
22:16 CGI722 do you think i am adding items incorrectly?
22:18 wizzyrea_ oh this sounds very vaguely familiar...
22:19 wizzyrea_ like, something I've seen in my many failures at installing koha...
22:19 CGI722 haha ok, well that makes me feel a little better
22:19 brendan wow wizzyrea_ way to be nice!
22:19 wizzyrea_ you have itemtypes defined and all that?
22:20 wizzyrea_ man, i've failed at installing koha in so many creative ways
22:20 wizzyrea_ ;)
22:20 CGI722 yeah, was using the default item types
22:20 CGI722 so for that particular case, item type is book for both entries
22:21 wizzyrea_ and it works with one item, but adding another gives a 404...
22:21 wizzyrea_ OH
22:21 wizzyrea_ um um
22:21 CGI722 yes
22:21 wizzyrea_ XSLT stylesheets for opac, on or off?
22:21 CGI722 no idea, let me check
22:21 CGI722 hmm where is that? haha
22:22 wizzyrea_ system administration -> preferences search for XSLT
22:22 CGI722 Set to Off for XSLTDetailsDisplay and XSLTResultsDisplay
22:23 wizzyrea_ brendan: try turning  them on
22:23 wizzyrea_ er
22:23 wizzyrea_ wrong person lol
22:23 wizzyrea_ 722, try turning them on
22:23 CGI722 lol it's cool, let me try thanks
22:23 schuster by all.
22:23 wizzyrea_ bye schuster
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22:24 CGI722 same problem
22:24 CGI722 still get a 404
22:24 CGI722 with all these options i could change these for a week!
22:25 brendan hi wizzyrea_
22:26 CGI722 does this sound like a bug or maybe I just didn't setup the site correctly?
22:26 wizzyrea_ well usually it works
22:26 CGI722 i guess i could blow away all the data, and enter 1 book and see what happens
22:27 wizzyrea_ does your koha log say anything?
22:30 CGI722 well....
22:30 CGI722 i'm not really sure if it's helpful...i don't see any debugging output, just ADD, MODIFY, DELETE entries
22:31 wizzyrea_ the log on the server?
22:31 wizzyrea_ or the log within the web interface?
22:31 CGI722 i'm checking the Koha Log Viewer
22:32 CGI722 I just installed this yesterday, so I'm pretty inexperienced with using it and troubleshooting
22:33 wizzyrea_ yea, I'd look at the koha log on the server; I can't remember what the default standard install location for it is, brendan probably knows though
22:33 wizzyrea_ <- can only keep so much in her mind at once
22:34 wizzyrea_ you could try a locate koha-error_log
22:35 CGI722 in var logs
22:35 wizzyrea_ then tail -f /path/to/koha-error_log
22:35 CGI722 i see it, they are quite large
22:36 wizzyrea_ is this public on the internet? Could we look at it?
22:36 CGI722 its internal right now
22:36 brendan it's something like koha/var/log
22:37 wizzyrea_ yea, standard install I think is /var/log/koha/koha-error_log or somesuch
22:37 wizzyrea_ but I didn't know for sure
22:37 * wizzyrea_ doesn't do it that way, usually
22:38 CGI722 looks like i got a perl backtrace
22:38 wizzyrea_ you can paste it here
22:38 wizzyrea_
22:39 wizzyrea_ just be sure to set your channel :)
22:39 pastebot "CGI722" at pasted "backtrace from a query that gets a 404" (174 lines) at
22:40 CGI722 sweet
22:40 CGI722 not sure what i'm looking at though
22:41 brendan wizzyrea_ could just be an indexing issue
22:41 wizzyrea_ doesn't usually 404 on that though, at least I've never seen that
22:41 CGI722 i did try a reindex
22:41 wizzyrea_ and that wouldn't explain why they can find one item, but the 2nd doesn't show up
22:41 brendan ok sorry distracted and off on another window :)
22:41 wizzyrea_ or, it stops showing on the 2nd
22:41 wizzyrea_ sok :)
22:41 CGI722 i tried a reindex with -b -z -a -v
22:42 CGI722 i tried this too, took longer, -b -a -v
22:43 CGI722 would an incompatibility with a perl module cause this?  I had to install quite a few of these to get the install to work
22:43 CGI722 i just used cpan to install them, let it handle the dependencies
22:45 wizzyrea_ hrm
22:46 CGI722 think trying the 3.2.0 alpha would be worth a shot? or is that just a waste of time/
22:47 wizzyrea_ centOS... hmmm...
22:47 wizzyrea_ are you married to centOS?
22:48 CGI722 nope
22:48 wizzyrea_ it really works the very best on debian
22:48 CGI722 ok
22:48 CGI722 i can redo the install on a debian vm
22:48 CGI722 i should be able to keep the data intact yes?
22:48 CGI722 as long as i install the same releaseA?
22:48 wizzyrea_ in theory, yea
22:48 wizzyrea_ (most likely :))
22:49 CGI722 haha gotcha
22:49 * wizzyrea_ hates to commit to statements like that
22:49 wizzyrea_ ;)
22:49 CGI722 i'm going to cut and paste that and hold you to it
22:49 wizzyrea_ Nooooo!
22:49 CGI722 jk
22:49 CGI722 i will give that a shot
22:49 CGI722 thanks for the help!
22:50 wizzyrea_ the weekend is rough time to get folks, but come sunday/monday people will be around again
22:50 wizzyrea_ sure thing
22:50 CGI722 ok, appreciate it
22:50 wizzyrea_ let us know how it turns out :)
22:50 CGI722 will do
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