IRC log for #koha, 2010-02-08

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02:23 chris_n wow, koha 1.2.3... that's ancient history :-)
02:27 chris_n @wunder 28334
02:27 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is -2.0�C (9:21 PM EST on February 07, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: -4.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
02:30 braedon|work chris_n: how ancient exactly? (approximately)
02:31 chris_n close to 10 years I'd imagine
02:31 chris not quite
02:31 chris december 2002
02:31 chris[…]docs/history.txt;
02:33 richard chris, how's your throat?
02:33 chris getting better, as long as i keep taking the painkillers its ok
02:35 chris_n chris: rekon that fellow will be able to upgrade?
02:36 chris eventually yes
02:36 chris but i doubt he can go 1.2.3 to 2.2.9
02:37 chris probably 1.2.3 to 2.0.0 to 2.2.9 to 3.0.0 to whatever
02:41 chris id certainly try upgrading one major version at a time
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03:09 chris_n nice catch braedon|work; patch submitted
03:11 chris_n g'night #koha
04:01 Schuster chris_n thanks for the graphics::magick stuff.  That still needs to be fixed someplace in the install.
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04:54 braedon|home wait, i (or my work alter ego) caught something?
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06:43 Ropuch Morning #koha
06:45 braedon|home evening Ropuch
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07:04 chris hi all
07:05 Ropuch Hi chris
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08:28 Amit hi all
08:29 Ropuch Hi Amit
08:29 Amit heya Ropuch
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08:35 kf morning #koha
08:36 Ropuch Morning kf
08:45 kf hi Ropuch
08:52 Amit heya kf
08:55 kf hm, I have a yellow empty error box in 3.2 circ :(
08:56 kf dont know why, dont know what to write in my bug report *sigh*
09:00 magnus kf: do you know what you were doing when you got it?
09:02 kf checking out a book
09:02 kf testing notices in our production system and head
09:03 kf configuration should be the same, just checked again
09:03 kf works fine in 3.1.61
09:03 kf does not work in 3.2 - perhaps its because the user has overdues, but I schould get the yes/no at least
09:03 kf i suspect bug 4036
09:03 kf lazy munin :)
09:04 kf @wunder Konstanz
09:04 munin kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is -1.4�C (9:59 AM CET on February 08, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Steady).
09:04 kf @bug 4036
09:04 munin kf: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
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09:05 magnus hm, looks like has some problems
09:05 kf good morning paul_p
09:05 kf works fine for me
09:06 kf im not sure a patch was sent for this bug
09:08 magnus bug 4036
09:12 kf munin still sleeping?
09:12 munin kf: Error: "still" is not a valid command.
09:15 chris AAAAAC
09:18 kf ?
09:18 kf good morning chris
09:18 kf sleeping on your keyboard? :)
09:19 chris my cat walking on it
09:19 chris and now im going to sleep
09:19 kf sleep well :)
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09:52 Ropuch chris: how was your day in work? It was the first one after surgery afair?
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10:14 CGI231 Hello to all..
10:15 CGI231 I am having a problem in my Koha system..
10:15 CGI231 can any one help me.
10:15 CGI231 ??
10:15 nahuel don't ask to ask :)
10:15 nahuel ask, if someone have the answer, you'll have an answer
10:16 CGI231 I have included 15 target Z39.50 Servers
10:16 CGI231 all were working well a few days back.
10:16 CGI231 but now getting error. Error 500.
10:17 nahuel did you looked in your logfiles?
10:17 CGI231 means error log?
10:17 nahuel yep
10:17 CGI231 If i am selecting less libraries say 8.the system is fine.
10:18 CGI231 as number increase it shows error.
10:18 CGI231 OK let me check error log.
10:20 CGI231 but I think the problem is because of slow searching speed.
10:20 nahuel Ah
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10:20 nahuel you should increase your timeout in apache configuration
10:21 CGI231 how to do that?
10:21 CGI231 on my PC or on Koha Server??
10:25 nahuel on koha server
10:25 CGI231 OK.
10:26 CGI231 But I dont know how to do that..
10:26 nahuel ask the person who installed koha
10:27 CGI231 OK. Thanks.
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11:32 chris_n` @later tell Schuster: yeah, it needs to make it into the INSTALL.* files
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12:28 gmcharlt_ good morning
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12:28 gmcharlt does anybody know of good children's catalog skins for Koha?
12:29 Ropuch Hi gmcharlt
12:30 gmcharlt hi Ropuch
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13:16 bigbrovar am currently running koha-3.0.5 is there a way i can upgrade to koha3.0.5 without doing a reinstall from scratch
13:17 gmcharlt bigbrovar: upgrade from what to what? :)
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13:18 bigbrovar oh sorry from koha-3.0.2
13:18 bigbrovar gmcharlt: from koha-3.0.2
13:19 gmcharlt bigbrovar: sure - the upgrade instructions in the INSTALL should work fine
13:19 gmcharlt i.e.,  perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /path/to/koha-install-log; make; make test; sudo make upgrade
13:19 gmcharlt back up everything before you do it, of course
13:19 owen Hello #koha
13:20 Ropuch Hi owen
13:20 bigbrovar gmcharlt: thanks
13:20 gmcharlt good morning owen
13:20 gmcharlt owen: do you know of any good kiddie-OPAC skins out in the wild?
13:21 owen I sure don't
13:21 owen YacPac never went anywhere did it?
13:21 gmcharlt I not be the one to ask
13:22 gmcharlt I haven't seen any more YakPacs showing up in the wild, but I haven't been looking for them either
13:23 * owen isn't sure making an OPAC look childlike is going to help kids use it
13:25 * gmcharlt doesn't think so either, but that doesn't stop library's from asking for one
13:26 gmcharlt some things that may be of actual use would be large fonts, easy creation of precoordinated searches (e.g., click here to get books on Dinosaurs), and scoping to juvenile materials
13:26 gmcharlt but thinks like a cutsey interface leave me cold
13:26 owen It'd be a great subject for a controlled study
13:27 gmcharlt agreed
13:27 collum Just did a google search on kid's opac
13:27 collum There are some studies.
13:28 collum All the opac's that I have seen have been based on CARL's model, from many year's ago.
13:28 collum[…]ue&startover=true
13:29 collum I asked our Virtual Librarian if we gather usage stats on it.  We don't.
13:29 gmcharlt precoordinated search links: check
13:30 gmcharlt scoping: doesn't look like it (not that I'm a fan of sticking kids into a ghetto, either)
13:31 gmcharlt awards: yes
13:31 gmcharlt recent awards: no (who knew that ALA stopped awarding the Newbery in 2002 ;) )
13:33 collum That's probably our fault. :)
13:34 collum Very labor intensive interface.
13:36 nengard gmcharlt, i didn't know ... do you know why?
13:36 chris_n g'morning #koha
13:36 gmcharlt meep - I was joking
13:36 gmcharlt ALA is still giving the Newbery
13:36 nengard oh :( don't play with me on monday morning :) hehe
13:37 * gmcharlt stomps on the bad meme
13:37 * gmcharlt gives nengard some caffeine
13:37 nengard the news just said we can expect another foot of snow on top of the foot+ we have on the ground right now!!!
13:38 nengard gmcharlt - i need theraflu - not caffine :( but I have a PT appt in 30 min and have to drive so i have to wait
13:38 * collum thinks that since no one has ever pointed out the Newbery Awards to us, it is an indication of usage.
13:38 gmcharlt yeah, if somebody had noticed, you would have gotten a lot of angry Neil Gaiman fans protesting at the library or something
13:43 nengard anyone want to smile this monday morning?  yesterday my girl was so goofy - she went outside and decided the snow looked like a comfortable place to relax:
13:44 owen Looks like it took a lot of effort to get that far. No wonder she needed a rest!
13:45 nengard hehe - yeah - both of them had to hop to get through the snow - it was at their backs
13:48 nengard okay - time to run out - i'll be back later - oh and sorry for filling all your mailboxes this weekend :) I was on a bug closing/commenting roll :) hehe
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13:59 * collum just added the 2002 Newbury title.  It took 10 minutes and I have to reboot the server to see it.  Done for the day.
13:59 owen nengard++ for filling my mailbox this weekend. Good work!
14:02 hdl_laptop yeah...
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14:06 amadan Hello Folks, I'm installing koha 3.05 on debian lenny, ikeep getting "fix-perl-path.PL blib" after running make.
14:06 gmcharlt @later tell nengard note sysprefs for bug 3738 need to be added to new interface, in case jwager doesn't get to it first
14:06 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
14:06 amadan can anyone help
14:07 jwagner gmcharlt, nengard is more likely to get to it before I do....
14:10 amadan Hello Folks, I'm installing koha 3.05 on debian lenny, ikeep getting "fix-perl-path.PL blib" after running make. Can anyone please help, I'm stuck?
14:24 amadan Hello Folks, I'm installing koha 3.05 on debian lenny, i keep getting "fix-perl-path.PL blib" after running make. Can anyone please help
14:28 owen amadan: Is that the whole error?
14:35 amadan yep
14:35 imp should i fill a bug report for this: (had the problems while installing)
14:39 amadan Could anyone please inform me where the koha install logfile is located
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14:41 amadan basically make stops at /usr/bin/perl "-Iblib/arch" "-Iblib/lib" fix-perl-path.PL blib
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14:46 schuster For what it is worth - the kids pac discussion - for Kinder - 2nd grade where they can't spell it sure helps them to have the picture driven interface.
14:47 schuster School perspective...
14:48 schuster I think it would be really easy to build an interface and I've been pondering it, but the problem is we need it to "automatically" limit to the location as well.  Showing a kindergartener ALL the Dinosaur books as ALL the locations is overwhelming.
14:49 schuster I've been poking Owen on a few tips tricks, but we havn't come up with an elegant solution yet.  He has helped me some using the Multi-pac setup which allowed for local default browsing based on the URL.
14:49 schuster I'm waiting for 3.2 before I do much with that owen FYI.
14:49 imp schuster: is it possible load images inside the translations?
14:50 schuster Just build a template - yes Owen and I have done something along those lines.  let me see if I still have a live page.
14:51 imp (so you could just use the normal translations to get the pictograms will be displayed this way)
14:52 amadan I tried running the fix-perl-path.PL file but it says "no such file or directory at line 64. Could any one help please
14:53 imp amadan: =head2 BASIC USAGE
14:53 imp perl fix-perl-path.PL /absolute/path/to/foo
14:53 imp (where the path is the path to your perl executeable i guess)
14:59 amadan Thanks imp, I tried but still getting " /usr/bin/perl "-Iblib/arch" "-Iblib/lib" fix-perl-path.PL blib" during make at which it stops. Can anyone help?
15:01 amadan This problem stops below the line "Manifying blib/man3/serials::member-search.3pm"
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15:39 * chris_n wonders why he cannot write perfect code the first time every time ;-)
15:39 owen chris_n: Voodoo curse?
15:40 * wizzyrea is torn between telling you no one is perfect and (teasingly) mocking you for not being perfect
15:40 wizzyrea mmm, no one is perfect. Some of the best inventions came from accidents.
15:40 wizzyrea ;)
15:40 * jwagner is kinder and suggests that the perfect code talent was hogged up by the first on the scene. Not mentioning names, chris....
15:42 gmcharlt owen++ # I ought to make your life easier by killfiling patches that don't declare XHTML in their templates ;)
15:42 * owen hasta keep busy somehow
15:43 wizzyrea oh speaking of xhtml: there is something funny about the rss feeds in the catalog. I think I talked to chris about it a long time ago but they don't validate?
15:43 wizzyrea and xml
15:43 wizzyrea too
15:43 wizzyrea >.<
15:43 * wizzyrea is also not perfect
15:43 wizzyrea but you all knew that
15:43 chris_n lol :-)
15:44 wizzyrea @later tell Ropuch ooh, send it to me!
15:44 munin wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
15:44 wizzyrea duly filed under "laters that could mean lots of things"
16:07 Ropuch wizzyrea: I'm here
16:07 Ropuch ;>
16:07 wizzyrea Hooray!
16:09 Ropuch wizzyrea:
16:09 Ropuch Consider it working beta
16:09 wizzyrea bless you good sir
16:09 wizzyrea i'm beyond excited :)
16:10 Ropuch I talked to chris, maybe he will rewrite this in proper way
16:10 Ropuch Main flaw for now is that all html is displayed into wp content part, along with <xhtml> and meta tags
16:11 Ropuch But  - as I said - it's working ;>
16:29 owen Is there a way to search for a particular string in the git history of a single file?
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16:31 wizzyrea Ropuch: working on it now <fingers crossed>
16:31 wizzyrea happiness
16:31 Ropuch wizzyrea: If something is not clear, I;m here
16:32 wizzyrea I have confidence that it will work ^.^
16:32 Ropuch I haven't tested it with friendly urls
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16:33 Ropuch ...and $_REQUEST should be sanitize, and I;m stop complaining ;>
16:34 gmcharlt owen: search how?  would git blame file + grep do what you need?
16:34 owen gmcharlt: I'm trying to find out when something disappeared from a particular file
16:34 hdl_laptop owen: git log -Syourstring
16:34 hdl_laptop pickckaxe
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16:37 gmcharlt owen: if you're referring to the file I think you are, commit 8802bbf5fe6 seems to be the culprit
16:40 wizzyrea ropuch: docbook-utils is available from where?
16:41 wizzyrea nm, google lol
16:43 owen Hmmm... Anyway: Bug 4137
16:43 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4137 normal, P5, ---,, NEW, OPACViewOthersSuggestions preference doesn't work
16:44 Ropuch wizzyrea: apt-get install docbook-utils for me, but I don't know what system you're using
16:45 wizzyrea debian :)
16:51 wizzyrea Ropuch: this might be a dumb question... I need to init the git repo for kohadocs before doing the update?
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16:55 gmcharlt owen: the fact that OPACViewOthersSuggestions only appears in the template is not necessarily an issue (although it is, since it ought to also be enforced by to prevent a back door into seeing other people's suggestions)
16:55 Ropuch wizzyrea: yes
16:55 wizzyrea kk
16:55 gmcharlt but the suggestions interface seems buggy in general
16:56 gmcharlt I also confirm that in any event, that syspref doesn't seem to work for me either
16:57 owen gmcharlt: I'm assuming that the titles in suggestions_loop are already filtered on the logged-in user's borrowernumber
16:57 kf bye #koha
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17:04 Ropuch Hello nengard
17:04 nengard hiya
17:07 wizzyrea[…]ation/3-2-manual/
17:08 wizzyrea you're right, not sure it works with pretty URLS
17:08 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: about?
17:08 wizzyrea BUT
17:08 wizzyrea closer ever still
17:08 wizzyrea and it looks quite lovely
17:08 hdl_laptop hi
17:08 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: i am
17:09 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: can you comment on 943aa38564c73 ?  this patch can't stay in as is; a real fix is needed rather than simply commenting it out
17:09 gmcharlt the feature in question was sponsored by schuster 's school, btw
17:10 Ropuch wizzyrea: I'm looking into it
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17:10 Ropuch Just give me some time ;>
17:10 wizzyrea :D
17:10 wizzyrea for this, you can have all the time you need
17:12 hdl_laptop So it would be VERY unpleasant for them to find that feature broken.
17:12 hdl_laptop I agree.
17:12 wizzyrea Ropuch: I found the problem I think
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17:13 wizzyrea rawr, it works
17:13 wizzyrea nengard
17:13 nengard wizzyrea
17:13 wizzyrea very very good work ropuch
17:13 wizzyrea[…]ation/3-2-manual/
17:13 Ropuch Just a working concept
17:13 nengard awesome!!!
17:13 wizzyrea the CSS will need some tweaking I think
17:14 wizzyrea and i'm going to work on the templats
17:14 Ropuch And I insist that someone should rewrite it ;>
17:14 nengard also the links don't work
17:14 wizzyrea they should now
17:14 wizzyrea at least, they do for me
17:14 nengard nope ...
17:14 nengard they all go to the homepage
17:14 nengard not the manual pages
17:14 wizzyrea mmm you need to shift+refresh
17:14 wizzyrea b/c it works for me
17:14 nengard did - will do again
17:14 wizzyrea if your URL doesn't say page_id=135 then you don't have the most current
17:14 wizzyrea log in
17:15 nengard nope - when i mouse over they read the right thing
17:15 wizzyrea it's cached
17:15 nengard but clicking won't work
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17:15 nengard my links say:[…]d=3&ch=c46#AEN518
17:15 wizzyrea odd, it works for me
17:16 wizzyrea logged in, logged out
17:16 wizzyrea it works
17:16 hdl_laptop Problem is that as it is now, use of extended patron information is a major performance killer. we should try and query first on  extendedattributes
17:16 hdl_laptop and then query borrowers on borrowernumbers
17:17 nengard okay very weird - i'm logged in and now i can't get to the page - now all i see is the homepage no matter what url i'm at - i'm restarting
17:17 wizzyrea ?!
17:17 wizzyrea lol, can anybody duplicate that?
17:18 wizzyrea heh, yea, 135, not 3
17:19 nengard okay i restarted FF and the page loads - but the links stil only take me to the homepage
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17:19 owen I get the same thing
17:19 wizzyrea ok, turned off caching, does it work now?
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17:19 wizzyrea i think it cached the wrong thing
17:20 * jwagner shrieks, sighs
17:20 jwagner The weather forecaster just muttered something about another 6-12 inches of snow tomorrow night here....
17:20 owen Now[…]ation/3-2-manual/ takes me to the home page
17:20 imp jwagner: how much snow do you already have?
17:21 wizzyrea yes, go to the home page
17:21 wizzyrea click documentation
17:21 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: y'know, I wonder if an index on borrower_attributes.attribute and, more importantly, authorised_values.authorised_value would be sufficient
17:21 wizzyrea click 3.2 manual (I have some cleanup to do here)
17:21 wizzyrea does that work?
17:21 wizzyrea do the links from there work
17:21 gmcharlt in fact, I suspect that adding the latter index would suffice
17:21 wizzyrea I had to turn off pretty urls
17:21 jwagner imp, I got between 18-24 inches depending on where I measure.  Other parts of the area got 30 inches or more.
17:22 imp nice
17:22 wizzyrea so the reason you are getting the home page is you are trying to use the pretty permalinks
17:22 hdl_laptop mmm would require also some indexes on attributetypes.
17:22 wizzyrea not the page_id nonsense
17:22 nengard wizzyrea - i don't see a link on the docuemntation page :( geeze
17:22 nengard is it just me?
17:22 wizzyrea it's just you
17:22 nengard oh found it
17:22 nengard due
17:22 nengard duh
17:22 Ropuch works
17:23 nengard works!!!!
17:23 nengard woo hoo
17:23 Ropuch ;)
17:23 hdl_laptop fact is that attribute could/should also be a text and not a varchar.
17:23 * wizzyrea breathes finally. Stupid technology.
17:23 wizzyrea :)
17:23 nengard Important and Tip need styles - they need to stand out
17:23 nengard and are the images there?
17:23 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: well, it isn't yet (a text)
17:23 Ropuch nengard: it's just a protoype of autogaick git pul & publish
17:23 nengard got it
17:23 Ropuch automagick
17:24 wizzyrea which is amazing
17:24 nengard we need to do a pull of it as PDF as well - when we figure this out
17:24 nengard and I agree wizzyrea
17:24 Ropuch wizzyrea: we could include some custom style in update_docs
17:24 wizzyrea yep yep
17:24 Ropuch PDF is not a problem
17:25 Ropuch just 1-2 lines
17:25 Ropuch docbook2pdf ;>
17:25 Ropuch It's in docbook-utils too
17:25 wizzyrea oh woot
17:26 Ropuch Along with rtf, man, tex... ;>
17:26 Ropuch Ok, I'll get some tea and look into friendly urls
17:28 wizzyrea
17:29 nengard wizzyrea and Ropuch, we need links to all of the manuals - not just English - BibLibre is working on a French translation and there are folders there for other languages as well
17:29 nengard but this works!!!
17:29 nengard we just need to make it searchable and printable
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17:30 Ropuch wizzyrea: images path must be broken
17:30 Ropuch And the code doesn't look like it was parse through tidy
17:31 wizzyrea i'm guessing I might need to install tidy
17:31 wizzyrea actually
17:31 wizzyrea apt-get install.... ?
17:31 wizzyrea which package
17:32 wizzyrea nengard: it looks like it wouldn't be too bad to use this to generate all of the different languages, not just EN
17:32 Ropuch wizzyrea: tidy ;>
17:32 wizzyrea HA
17:32 * wizzyrea feels dumb
17:32 nengard wizzyrea awesome
17:32 Ropuch YOUR_SITE_PATH/?variable_name=variable_value
17:32 Ropuch Maybe that will work
17:32 nengard not dumb!! never dumb!! it's still monday - that's my excuse today :)
17:32 wizzyrea hehe
17:33 wizzyrea ok, one more time for the boys and girls in the back
17:33 Ropuch instead of ?page_id=X&ch=foo ?ch=foo will work with friendly urls
17:33 wizzyrea is this important? openjade:/home/koha-community/publ​ic_html/wp-content/uploads/kohadoc​s/en/koha3-2manual.xml:17511:36:E: non SGML character number 152
17:34 wizzyrea zillions of these errors on update
17:34 Ropuch Yup
17:35 wizzyrea yup it's important or yup it generates lots of errors?
17:35 wizzyrea hehe
17:35 wizzyrea ropuch this is so exciting
17:36 Ropuch even more to me, as don't know php or wordpress ;>
17:37 wizzyrea $docu = preg_replace($pattern, '"?ch=\1\2"', $docu); is what you were thinking?
17:38 Ropuch yes
17:38 schuster wizzyrea you speaking clingon again?
17:38 wizzyrea wp is kind of one of my tech pets. I like to pet it and feed it and call it george
17:38 Ropuch Heheh
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17:38 wizzyrea schuster: maybe
17:38 wizzyrea :)
17:39 Ropuch wizzyrea: what shuold i put into permalink setting to dupicate the one from koha-community?
17:39 Ropuch should
17:39 wizzyrea /%postname%/
17:40 wizzyrea in custom
17:40 Ropuch It says I shuold update my .htaccess
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17:41 Ropuch I'll ask some php/apache gurus, it should be easy to get it working with minor tweak to rewrite rules
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17:45 chris morning
17:46 Ropuch Evening [;
17:48 jwagner Afternoon :-)
17:48 jwagner How are you feeling, chris?
17:48 chris better every day
17:49 wizzyrea yea, all that means is that you need ot have a .htaccess file in the root of your wp install
17:49 wizzyrea and that it's writable (at elast temporarily) by the webserver
17:49 wizzyrea and your host would need to have AllowOverride on
17:49 wizzyrea chris's_immune_system++
17:49 wizzyrea modern_medicine++
17:50 chris heh
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17:51 chris students_with_iceblock_sticks--
17:51 wizzyrea yes that is not so cool
17:52 * jwagner is going to venture out & see if I can reach a grocery store, before the NEXT storm comes in. Back later....
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17:53 Ropuch wizzyrea:
17:53 Ropuch I feel our solution lurks there ;>
17:53 wizzyrea ^.^ will look
17:53 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: see bug 4139
17:53 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4139 blocker, P5, ---,, NEW, overdue notice generation performance issue
17:54 * wizzyrea knows enough to be dangerous (and occasionally smart-ish)
17:54 gmcharlt if you've got a large patron data and loan dataset that you're willing to let me play with, that woudl help
17:54 gmcharlt otherwise, I'll just mock stuff up
17:54 gmcharlt for the performance fix
17:55 owen Can anyone tell me what the "checked" status for suggestions means?
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18:00 owen "Checked" seems like a strange interim status between "Pending" and a real resolution ("Accepted" or "Rejected.")
18:00 owen If so, why is it necessary?
18:00 chris yeah thats a weird one
18:01 gmcharlt we know we want to order it, but not sure if it's available yet?
18:01 * gmcharlt is guessing
18:01 wizzyrea maybe "I checked, we do/don't have that"
18:01 sekjal I guess it's to separate "we haven't looked at your request yet" to "we've looked at it, but haven't decided"
18:02 wizzyrea or "I acknowledge that yes, indeed, there is a suggestion here"
18:02 wizzyrea what he said
18:02 wizzyrea to differentiate between brand new suggestions and ones that you hven't decided on yet?
18:02 wizzyrea it is weird
18:02 moodaepo @wunder 56001
18:02 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -11.9�C (11:55 AM CST on February 08, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -14.0�C. Windchill: -19.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Warning in effect until noon CST Tuesday...
18:02 gmcharlt doesn't seem that helpful to a patron, regardless
18:03 chris @wunder wellington nz
18:03 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0�C (6:00 AM NZDT on February 09, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
18:03 chris tshirt again today
18:03 gmcharlt likely a bit of acq workflow stuff that is useful to the acq department but which should be hidden from patron
18:05 * moodaepo thinks chris is a show off : )
18:05 chris heh
18:05 chris_n @wunder 28334
18:05 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 5.0�C (12:42 PM EST on February 08, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
18:05 owen Perhaps it reflects a workflow where one librarian checks a suggestion for accuracy before another librarian makes the real decision?
18:05 sekjal If we set up the status messages to be configurable, and have both staff client and OPAC options, we could let each library decide just how much info they want to give about the decisions process
18:05 * chris_n greets chris
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18:09 nengard chris - no fair :(  we're looking at another foot of snow tomorrow!!
18:09 sekjal and with enough generalization, this status model could be extended to bibs and items, so the whole workflow from acquistions to circulation is customizable
18:09 chris[…]s_33_000_charity/
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18:12 Ropuch wizzyrea: $docu = preg_replace($pattern, '"?ch=\1\2"', $docu); seems to be the right way, I can acces subpages from documentation main page
18:12 Ropuch But due to my lame regexp some urls are transforemd into <a href="x2758"
18:14 wizzyrea yea, i had noticed that
18:15 Ropuch*lame*...regexp
18:15 * Ropuch cries ;>
18:15 wizzyrea no lol
18:15 wizzyrea I had noticed the wierd url's :)
18:15 * wizzyrea comforts ropuch
18:15 wizzyrea don't cry
18:16 Ropuch Unfortunatelly that's beyond my skills
18:16 wizzyrea you got much further than I ever would have
18:16 Ropuch It's because I;m solving problem with analog approach ;>
18:18 wizzyrea your process seems very similar to mine ;)
18:18 Ropuch hehe
18:21 Ropuch I really like solving problems, but in the end I know what steps should be taken, but can't do it myself due to lack of programming skills
18:21 Ropuch And I sometimes quit after half-day fight with something like simple regexp ;>
18:23 wizzyrea :)
18:24 chris ok time to get kahu ready for kindegarten and me ready for work
18:30 rhcl anybody on chat from Montana?
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19:11 gmcharlt @later tell hdl_laptop work on 3.0.x->3.2.0 reconiliation - question: do you expect any more DBrevs after
19:11 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
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19:14 gmcharlt @later tell matts could you prepare and submit patches fro MT2631 (OPACviewISBD, etc.) for HEAD?
19:14 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
19:18 gmcharlt @later tell hdl_laptop regarding 3.0.x commit 3057a7afb98c - what is its motivation?  now that we have OPAC and staff XSLT display in HEAD that is sensitive to marcflavour, why force user to figure out paths  to XSLT files manually?
19:18 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
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19:22 brendan @wunder 93117
19:22 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.9�C (11:17 AM PST on February 08, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Steady).
19:23 braedon|work Ropuch: is that regex still giving you trouble?
19:25 schuster question - is the table sorter on the pl or the tmpl?
19:25 Ropuch braedon|work: ask wizzyrea, maybe she fixed it already
19:25 schuster @wunder 75035
19:25 munin schuster: The current temperature in Stonebrook, Frisco, Texas is 4.3�C (1:22 PM CST on February 08, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010.4 hPa (Steady).
19:25 wizzyrea ya, it's still troublesome, I just got back from lunch :)
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19:27 braedon|work kk. If it isn't sorted by my lunch (4 hours or so), if you would like i can take a squiz at it.
19:27 nengard gmcharlt are we pushing rotating collections to 3.4?
19:27 Ropuch braedon|work:
19:28 Ropuch File update_docs is just a concept, and regexp, well, let's say I know nothing about them
19:29 Ropuch Tidy putput isn't perfect, so sometimes lines are broken
19:29 gmcharlt nengard: yes
19:29 nengard thanks - will remove from manual
19:29 Ropuch We want to extract the content from between <body></body> and change some <a href="foo"
19:30 wizzyrea yea, the images bit doesn't seem to be working, even with the right paths
19:30 Ropuch wizzyrea: hm
19:30 wizzyrea does it work on yours ropuch?
19:30 Ropuch Yup
19:30 wizzyrea odd
19:31 Ropuch Can you give me the url to an image from documentation directory?
19:32 wizzyrea[…]oging/newitem.png
19:32 wizzyrea I put in wp-content/uploads/kohadocs/images in the script, but it doesn't like it
19:33 Ropuch try /wp-content
19:33 wizzyrea ooh
19:33 wizzyrea trying...
19:34 owen nengard: About Bug 4092...
19:34 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4092 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---,, ASSIGNED, suggestion date missing from manage suggestions
19:34 nengard ?
19:34 owen Check the structure of your suggestions table
19:34 owen I had to correct mine in order for that bug to be fixed
19:35 owen Look for suggesteddate and manageddate
19:36 nengard owen - if you had to fix your table manually, then we need a db update for that? right?
19:36 wizzyrea hmm that borks the output in such a way that[…]ation/3-2-manual/ doesn't even have anything
19:36 owen nengard: has a section which adds those columns
19:37 owen "ADD suggesteddate date default NULL,"
19:37 owen "ADD manageddate date default NULL,"
19:37 nengard hmmm - okay - off to check and see if i have those
19:37 owen I'm not sure why it didn't update my install.
19:37 Ropuch wizzyrea: escape slash like \/?
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19:38 wizzyrea Ah!
19:38 Ropuch Just guessing
19:38 nengard owen - okay - i have them - so they did update ...
19:38 nengard but i still don't see them in my display
19:38 nengard even after adding a new suggestion today
19:38 Ropuch Let's ask someone to rewrite update_docs in any language he/she feels proficient with
19:38 wizzyrea a shell script would actually do it nicely I think
19:39 wizzyrea I see what you're doing here
19:39 wizzyrea it wouldn't plug in directly from WP but it could be run in a cron
19:39 Ropuch I tried to write in bash, but after painfull hour i gave up
19:39 owen Strange, nengard, I thought that would have been the culprit.
19:39 owen I'm seeing those dates fine now
19:39 Ropuch In the end I wanted a working concept
19:40 Ropuch wizzyrea: I suggested cron in readme
19:40 wizzyrea :D it definitely works (I saw that)
19:41 wizzyrea $docu = str_replace('src="images', 'src="kohadocs/images', $matches[1]); is the line I"m futzing with that breaks the output
19:41 Ropuch I troed another wp plugin Include html, but it imorts every thml file s post
19:41 gmcharlt @later tell hdl_laptop why are there serveral DBrevs in 3.00.04.* that seem to duplicate earlier DBrevs in
19:41 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
19:41 Ropuch wizzyrea: i had it commented
19:41 nengard owen - i have all kinds of things going wrong lately that make no sense ... can anyone else confirm that Bug 4092 is resolved in HEAD?
19:41 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4092 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---,, ASSIGNED, suggestion date missing from manage suggestions
19:41 wizzyrea OHH
19:41 wizzyrea yes, indeed you did
19:42 wizzyrea silly wizzy.
19:42 chris back
19:42 wizzyrea derr. I was not paying attention, sorry
19:44 chris hmm i dunno what to say to alison
19:45 richard yeah, it's a hard one to phrase right
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19:48 jwagner nengard, online?
19:48 nengard here
19:48 owen chris_n around?
19:48 chris_n here
19:48 jwagner Thanks for doing that syspref on the selfcheck -- I haven't even seen the new editor yet, let alone figured out how to do something with it.
19:49 owen Hi chris_n, I have a question about labels. Would it make sense to you that a label batch might fail to be created if there were duplicate barcodes in the batch?
19:49 nengard jwagner - i learned how to do things with it by reading other people's patches :) so if you check out some of the recent patches that might help
19:49 jwagner nengard, not until I get an updated system in hand to play with :-)
19:49 nengard :)
19:49 owen chris_n: We observed this in
19:52 chris_n owen: there are supposed to be checks in the marc editor for barcode dups and items.barcode is a unique key which should prevent duplicate barcodes in any case
19:53 chris_n opps
19:53 chris_n you mean two labels for the same item?
19:53 chris_n it should not fail for that
19:53 chris_n if it does, it is a bug
19:53 owen chris_n: This is after a MARC import
19:54 chris_n I do not understand how you can have two items with the same barcode
19:54 chris_n the items table will not allow it
19:56 gmcharlt chris: hdl_laptop:[…]_3.2.0_db_updates
19:57 owen chris_n: Okay, I'm going on what my cataloger told me so I may not have the story straight. Thanks.
19:58 chris_n owen: I can imagine there might be a potential issue if the bulk import generates a batch of labels from some source other than the items table
19:59 chris_n in which case a bug should be opened for the import tool
19:59 owen chris_n: Good point
19:59 jwagner owen, I wonder if the batch is in the reservoir with barcodes in 952 fields, but not yet imported.  I don't think it would block dup barcodes in that case, would it?
19:59 jwagner If you've staged the import, but not yet loaded it into the catalog?
19:59 chris_n really label batches should be generated from the items table only
20:00 chris_n that will ensure relational integrity
20:00 * chris_n believes as many relationships as possible should be enforced by the db
20:00 * jwagner asks if chris_n is going into marriage counseling?
20:00 chris_n hehe
20:01 chris_n if it were really only that simple ;-)
20:01 owen "I tried to ask a girl out and MySQL told me PERMISSION DENIED"
20:01 chris heh
20:02 jwagner I wonder what a SQL query is for a stable relationship?
20:03 chris right, that email was the best i could do
20:03 wizzyrea SELECT patience, understanding FROM personality WHERE objective=long-term-love
20:04 chris_n and obey all constraints
20:04 wizzyrea truf
20:04 rhcl and where objective NE marriage
20:04 wizzyrea lol, a bit jaded there rhcl?
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20:05 rhcl Oh, just a bit...and this fully 15 years after...   :)
20:06 wizzyrea lol, this is making me crazy: the paths look correct, if I put the path in, the images show up, but they won't come from the pages
20:06 * wizzyrea runs away screaming
20:06 wizzyrea j/k
20:06 wizzyrea but I'm still a bit screamy
20:07 bigbrovar stupid me .. completely trashed my koha database.. I tot i did a backup well i didnt .. now I have to start it all from scatch ,, the good part is its not been deployed yet..
20:08 bigbrovar would have to reinstall the server and do a fresh install though which is not as bad as it sounds.  maybe I should use debian lenny instead of ubuntu this time around
20:08 wizzyrea debian++
20:09 wizzyrea aw, and nengard isn't around. I was going to tell her that I got the images
20:09 rhcl OK, on behalf of someone else a question that I don't even understand...
20:09 rhcl Something about NSIP needed by OCLC for First Search so people can search the world database
20:09 wizzyrea (I'm done screaming)
20:09 rhcl Koha can do?
20:10 * chris_n takes out his ear plugs
20:10 wizzyrea Koha can talk SIP so I don't know why not
20:10 jwagner rhcl, which direction?  Searching from Koha to Worldcat, or from Worldcat to Koha?
20:10 wizzyrea ha ha ha.
20:10 jwagner And if it's just searching, why not z39.50?
20:10 jwagner Are they wanting to update holdings in Worldcat, maybe?
20:11 rhcl From Worldcat to Koha (I think). Apparently if a patron is at home "The Database" needs NSIP for them to search WorldCat (FirstSearch)
20:12 jwagner Don't understand that one at all, but so far as I know, Koha is not yet NCIP compliant.  Just SIP/SIP2
20:13 schuster Sounds like an ILL question - I've been banging around in my head with that too...  The State of Texas has adopted a new ILL version - but for it to be fully functional meaning patron requests without library intervention you would have to be NCIP compliant.
20:14 schuster Otherwise NON oclc members have to batch upload their collections to OCLC to be retrievable, but the library still has to initiate the request from my understanding as OCLC won't be able to verify the user to a library.
20:14 schuster There was discussion about at one time, but it looks as though it died.
20:15 chris s/died/was killed through stupidity/
20:15 jwagner OK, makes sense if it's ILL -- that would need to send/receive actions.  Just searching should be fine with z39.50.
20:15 chris david fiander and others are willing to work on it again, as long as the person who killed it is no longer involved
20:15 chris so its just a matter of getting some heads together and getting it done
20:16 wizzyrea heads together, getting it done. I like these things.
20:16 rhcl OH, it's NCIP
20:16 wizzyrea I think it's fairly safe to say the mentioned person won't be involved
20:17 chris yeah, i think so too
20:18 chris plus EG need it too, so there is good chance for collaboration
20:18 rhcl ...none of which provides a complete access solution...The NCIP-based patron authentication feature...complements and supplement them
20:18 rhcl[…]ipweb/default.htm
20:19 rhcl Apparently our patrons can't since we didn't buy an NCIP license
20:20 rhcl Yea yea, schuster is saying some of the same words as my TS manager over the partition
20:30 wizzyrea ropuch:[…]?ch=x3116#AEN3119
20:30 jwagner That brings up another idea, for someone's development creativity.  It would be useful for Koha to be able to update a library's holdings in OCLC.  In Unicorn, when you Smartport (z39.50) a record from OCLC, you have to option to update OCLC to say that you own a copy.
20:30 jwagner Dunno how the link to OCLC works, but....
20:31 rhcl Yea, I know that my TS manager has to monthly manual uploads to OCLC
20:31 sekjal I have an idea for that
20:31 chris if it involves OCLC it will involve money
20:31 rhcl A 3-click semi-auto process would be great.
20:31 chris flowing in their direction
20:31 sekjal OCLC allows for holdings updates to be communicated via Z39.50
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20:32 sekjal it uses one of the extended service definitions for holdings updates
20:33 rhcl I think we have to pay a certain amount for each record we upload
20:33 jwagner sekjal, yes, I remember having to create 925/926 (I think) local fields for that update in Unicorn.
20:33 sekjal if ZOOM supported it, it would be a pretty straight-forward thing to write a script to automatically push all new/edited bibs on a nightly/weekly cron
20:34 jwagner Dunno that you'd want all of them.  Maybe just new bibs with items?
20:35 hdl_laptop jwagner: therefore, we should separate items and biblios
20:35 sekjal the selection of which materials coud be up to local configuration
20:36 sekjal I have some pseudo code kicking around somewhere, but I never had time to work on developing it
20:36 jwagner Right -- you don't want to upload electronic resources, for example.  No point.
20:36 jwagner Do other countries have an equivalent to OCLC that works the same way?  Central holding database?
20:36 jwagner Would a similar function be useful outside the US?
20:37 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: RT : <gmcharlt> work on 3.0.x->3.2.0 reconiliation - question: do you expect any more DBrevs after = I don't think there would be any other DBrev
20:38 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: RT <gmcharlt> regarding 3.0.x commit 3057a7afb98c : Motivation is to be able to choose a customised stylesheet for an installation and not HAVE to edit the "official" stylesheet
20:39 sekjal if we connected the script to the Z39.50 profiles already in the system, we could do this kind of sync with any Z39.50 server that supported the extended service definitions
20:39 sekjal and if we set Koha up to support them, we'd have yet another way to pass data back and forth between systems
20:43 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: RT <gmcharlt> regarding 3.0.x commit 3057a7afb98c : In fact, for a multiple instance Code base, sharing the same stylesheet can lead to problems when you need to customize the stylesheet.
20:45 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: why not use themes, then?
20:46 hdl_laptop would duplicate the whole templates only for one file.
20:46 hdl_laptop I donot think this adds much complexity. And much more flexible.
20:47 Ropuch wizzyrea: whoa!
20:47 wizzyrea :)
20:48 Ropuch wizzyrea: next/previous link are still broken though
20:48 Ropuch But we're almost there :)
20:48 wizzyrea yea, that's my next challenge
20:48 wizzyrea :)
20:48 Ropuch Hehe
20:48 wizzyrea it looks like they're just missing the .html on the end
20:48 Ropuch and ?ch=
20:49 wizzyrea Ah, yes, and that
20:49 Ropuch <link rel="?ch=NEXT" title="Basic Parameters" href="x2779" />
20:49 Ropuch It's still regexp doing
20:49 wizzyrea don't laugh: the picture thing was permissions >.<
20:50 wizzyrea and this:
20:51 Ropuch <para>to Share - to copy, distribute and transmit the work</para>
20:52 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: perhaps a little too much flexibility - not many  other sysprefs requires knowing the internal path to intranet-tmpl
20:52 Ropuch It's xml part
20:52 gmcharlt at the very least, it could assume ./koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/<theme>/<lang>/xslt
20:52 Ropuch We can do quick&dirty fix and relace it - either before docbook2html or afer
20:53 gmcharlt and I'd prefer that they new sysprefs, a la opaccolorstylesheet
20:54 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: we are planning to make those preferences virtualhost parameters.
20:54 hdl_laptop /a la opacstylesheet/
20:54 chris
20:54 chris im gonna add the alpha here too
20:55 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: would that be OK ?
20:55 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: I believe that would be a question for a 3.4 RFC
20:55 chris_n Ropuch: what is your current regexp?
20:57 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: so that enhancement would skip from 3.0.5 to 3.4
20:57 gmcharlt no, something has to get done for 3.2, as I'm not intending to create regressions if I can avoid it
20:57 gmcharlt but the vhost parameters *would* be a 3.4 RC matter
20:59 hdl_laptop OK.
20:59 hdl_laptop Will do RFC.
21:03 Ropuch chris_n: wizzyrea is one to ask - it's her baby now ;>
21:04 wizzyrea i haven't touched the regexp
21:04 wizzyrea lol
21:04 wizzyrea ropuch: i have rather adopted it
21:04 wizzyrea you can have visitation rights though ^.^
21:04 Ropuch wizzyrea: but you the one to report changes to ;>
21:04 Ropuch heheh
21:04 wizzyrea truth
21:04 chris_n wizzyrea: what's the regexp and what is an example of before and after?
21:04 Ropuch Ok, fine I'll take sundays ;>
21:06 wizzyrea one moment chris_n
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21:09 chris_n wizzyrea: bbiab... I'll check the buffer
21:09 wizzyrea righty o
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21:17 chris http://www.librarytechnology.o[…] <-- hehe
21:17 chris that reads to me like
21:17 chris "We announced it only for the publicity and we don't intend to ever actually do it"
21:17 brendan re: relais
21:18 gmcharlt chris: their intentions were better than that
21:19 chris ah yeah of course
21:20 brendan @wunder 93117
21:20 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 15.3�C (1:17 PM PST on February 08, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling).
21:21 chris cloudy here brendan, you might have me beat
21:21 chris @wunder wellington nz
21:21 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (10:00 AM NZDT on February 09, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Falling).
21:21 gmcharlt and brendan wins by a nose
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21:22 brendan I'll take that as a win - for about another hour - then I think the win will switch to chris
21:22 jwagner @wunder 20740
21:22 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 0.9�C (4:19 PM EST on February 08, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019.5 hPa (Falling). Winter Storm Warning in effect from noon Tuesday to 7 PM EST Wednesday...
21:22 jwagner Harrumph.
21:34 hdl_laptop well good night folks
21:35 chris night hdl_laptop
21:35 sekjal goodnight, hdl_laptop
21:36 brendan night hdl_laptop
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22:04 Jo hi all
22:04 Jo Koha COn meeting now?
22:04 chris dont think so
22:04 Jo mmmm
22:04 Jo ok ....
22:04 chris lemme check the calendar
22:05 Jo its in my diary as today at 11am
22:05 Jo how odd?
22:05 chris nope
22:05 chris its next monday
22:05 Jo I may have misse on e then :(
22:05 Jo ok ..
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22:05 chris tuesday even
22:05 chris Russel Garlick has called an IRC meeting for KohaCon 2010 planning at 10:00 NZDT on Tuesday, 16 Feburary 2010 (AKA 21:00 UTC+0 on Monday, 15 February):
22:05 chris tonight our time is the general koha meeting
22:05 Jo there you go
22:06 Jo thers the source of the confusion
22:06 Jo what time Chris?
22:06 chris midnight or something
22:06 chris for us
22:06 Jo golly
22:06 chris yep midnight for us
22:06 chris not sure ill make it
22:06 brendan ah feb 15th is a holiday here --> presidents day
22:06 Jo you'll no doubt awaken tomorrow morning with qwerty imprinted across your forwhead again :)
22:07 Jo right - back on desk i go then :)
22:07 chris cc'd you on a mail to the woman at the convention centre jo
22:12 wizzyrea I once knew an old school geek who told me he wanted to die whilst programming
22:13 wizzyrea I told him that it wouldn't be very graceful to have your last words be "af;djszzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"
22:13 wizzyrea true story.
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22:16 braedon|work hmm, anyone where worked on, or used, the new Patron Card Creator?
22:16 braedon|work it doesn't seem to want to print fields on all the cards for me - just the first one...
22:17 chris braedon|work: chris_n is who you want to talk to about that
22:17 braedon|work it seems that chris_n is always the person i should talk to :P
22:18 chris if its to do with cards, in any shape or form, hes the man
22:18 chris_n braedon|work: you need the latest HEAD version
22:18 braedon|work kk
22:18 chris_n and even a patch or two beyond that
22:18 braedon|work lol, ok
22:19 braedon|work i couldn't find anything in bugzilla about it
22:20 chris_n no, I've been locating them myself and not taking time to open bugs.... time is at a premium just now :-)
22:20 chris_n feel free to file bugs on anything you find
22:20 braedon|work haha, alrighty. good to know It isn't just me stuffing up the configuration
22:20 chris_n but I would recommend fetching and rebasing first
22:23 * chris_n thinks the cards are stacked against him atm :-)
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22:36 brendan @wunder wellington NZ
22:36 munin brendan: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0�C (11:00 AM NZDT on February 09, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
22:37 brendan @wunder 93117
22:37 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 15.4�C (2:32 PM PST on February 08, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Falling).
22:37 brendan chris++
22:52 moodaepo @wunder 56001
22:52 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -14.1�C (4:45 PM CST on February 08, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: -16.0�C. Windchill: -20.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Warning in effect until noon CST Tuesday...
22:55 brendan hey moodaepo
22:55 * brendan waves
22:56 * moodaepo waves back at brendan through the snow flurries
22:56 chris_n @wunder 28334
22:56 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 7.0�C (5:41 PM EST on February 08, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
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