IRC log for #koha, 2009-12-14

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00:10 chris nz is a small place
00:10 chris[…]owner-with-camera
00:16 brendan heh - that's great
00:16 brendan good peeps++
00:24 chris hey .. how long have we had search history in the opac?
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01:36 brendan chris search history came down during the laatest updates from .61 -> .100
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02:34 chris ahh good, i thought id missed it:)
02:48 brendan @wunder 93117
02:48 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.3�C (6:44 PM PST on December 13, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Rising).
02:48 brendan @wunder 99705
02:48 munin brendan: The current temperature in Speedway, North Pole, Alaska is -32.2�C (5:46 PM AKST on December 13, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: -999%. Dew Point: -71.0�C. Windchill: -32.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Steady).
02:48 brendan wow look at that humidity = -999
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03:40 Amit hi brendan, chris, chris_n2
03:40 brendan heya amit
03:41 brendan @wunder 99705
03:41 munin brendan: The current temperature in Speedway, North Pole, Alaska is -32.2�C (6:36 PM AKST on December 13, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: -999%. Dew Point: -71.0�C. Windchill: -32.0�C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Falling).
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06:42 Genji Wow, its cool, im part of Koha history. Im the 33rd committer.
06:45 Genji And the 22nd top of the irc chat nicks.
06:46 Genji And.. most of my lines are questions.....
06:49 Genji ... interesting reading.
06:49 Amit heya Genji
06:49 Genji Hiya Amit. How goes?
07:04 Ropuch Morning #koha
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07:15 imp heyho
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07:33 CGI396 Hello there huys
07:34 CGI396 Hello there guys
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07:54 |Lupin| hi there
07:55 eiro hello |Lupin|
07:55 eiro hello all
07:55 |Lupin| hello eiro :)
07:58 Amit hello lupin, eiro
08:03 CGI396 Hi mLupin
08:04 CGI396 Hi Everybody
08:05 CGI396 Are u there guys
08:07 CGI396 Where can I get the best  the best Koha pay 4 support
08:07 |Lupin| hello Amit, CGI396
08:08 Genji CGI396: Avoid Liblime.
08:08 pie CGI396:[…]t/pay-for-support <- might help
08:09 Genji unfortunately, that page makes Liblime look good.
08:09 pie there's plenty of choice, so hopefully there is something to suit
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08:11 kf good morning #koha
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08:14 CGI396 Why should I avoid Liblime? (advice)
08:16 CGI396 Genji why should I avoid Liblime
08:19 CGI396 Kf,how can you assist
08:20 CGI396 Pie, I have already sent correspondence to the listed Pay 4 support companies
08:21 pie cool
08:24 CGI396 Does anybody know about a company called Sabinet in the Koha suppot community
08:25 chris they are listed on the pay for support page
08:29 CGI396 Chris: I know but I meant if u know more about the company's delivery profile
08:29 chris no
08:31 kf h chris
08:31 chris hi kf
08:33 Ropuch Hi chris, kf
08:33 kf guten morgen Ropuch
08:33 chris they are probably the closest to you geographically though
08:33 CGI396 Kf are u representing Biblibe?
08:34 kf CGI396: no, Im working for a German institution called BSZ
08:34 CGI396 Chris yes & I ve already communicated to them
08:35 * Ropuch is freezing
08:35 Ropuch Our central heating system was disabled all night
08:35 chris :(
08:36 CGI396 Guys anybosy knows why Liblime should be avoided?
08:37 chris google liblime fork
08:37 kf CGI396: you dont have to avoid them, but you should know that their product liblime enterprise koha is not the same as koha from the community - its your decision
08:38 Ropuch CGI396: it was Genji's own point of view, but you must need to know, that Koha version provided by LL is no longer open source
08:39 CGI396 kf,Chris,Ropuch:  Oh I see..
08:42 Genji Its no longer koha as we know it.
08:43 Genji And you probably can't ask for help here, if you go LL. Its changed dramatically from community koha.
08:43 CGI396 Does anybody know about this company called Openlx
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08:43 chris Amit does
08:47 CGI396 Hi Amit: what should we take home about Openlx support for Koha?
08:48 |Lupin| guten morgen kf
08:48 Amit heya chris
08:50 Amit hi CGI396: means
08:51 CGI396 Amit: would u recommend their support
08:52 Amit hi CGI396 don't know
08:52 Amit i leave this company last year in october
08:52 Amit right now i m working with Nucsoft Osslabs
08:53 CGI396 Amit : I see ..So u have quite extensive experience with Koha eh?
08:54 Amit hmm
08:54 Amit i have already done koha for delhi public library
08:56 kf guten Morgen Lupin :)
08:56 Amit heya kf
08:57 CGI396 Amit :so you  have worked with Sudhir Gandotra?
08:57 kf hi Amit
09:03 CGI396 AMit:what is URLto Delphi Public Library
09:03 Amit
09:07 CGI396 Amit: Im already there.
09:07 CGI396 Amit : Thanks....
09:10 Genji how difficult is it to diff my work's koha against 3.0, then bring the changes back into 3.2?
09:10 chris if you have been using git, very very easy
09:10 chris if you haven't quite a lot harder
09:11 chris but still doable
09:11 Genji nope, they haven't been using git. But the files are still in the git like tree (Bin, opac, intranet etc)
09:12 eiro[…]9022/lib/,[…]ry/Modern/,[…]MooseX/
09:12 Genji their base was debian's kohaclone.
09:12 chris yeah its not the location that helps, its the versioning, if it was in git you could create a patch easy, or cherry-pick, or rebase your changes... without it being inf version control
09:12 * Genji nods.
09:12 chris you will have to do manual diffs, and make the changes
09:12 * Genji nods.
09:12 eiro some ideas for the future of koha ( just pick ideas from Acme::Very::Modern )
09:12 chris :)
09:13 CGI396 Amit: Your currently company supports Koha, but its not listed in list of Koha companies..what shud i know here?
09:14 chris yes it is listed[…]t/pay-for-support
09:14 chris just after sabinet
09:15 CGI396 Amit:Oh sorry just found out. Yeah sorry man..
09:19 Genji CGI396:im curious, why arn't you using mibbit or a IRC client?
09:21 CGI396 Genji: No im using web-based client;why?
09:22 Genji CGI396: why are you using a web-based client? Mibbit is actually a better web client than CGI::IRC.
09:26 CGI396 Genji: Advice Noted...
09:26 chris @wunder wellington, nz
09:26 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (10:00 PM NZDT on December 14, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising).
09:27 Genji[…]&forcePrompt=true
09:28 Genji CGI396: use the link above, for a better irc client.
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09:29 Genji_mibbit Testing testing...
09:30 Ropuch ;>
09:30 Genji_mibbit Try it, CGI396, the water's fine.
09:30 CGI396 Genji: Sure I can see
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09:38 CGI396 .Genji what's IRC name & Channel
09:47 Genji CGI396: channel #koha
09:47 Genji but just copying that link will take you straight back here.
09:49 CGI396 Genji:Already done exactly that..still connecting..
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09:53 |Lupin| till soon, everybody
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10:19 si woot
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11:59 zico hi
11:59 zico in my koha 3.0.4... the "status" of any book/dvd is not showing...
12:00 zico means... status showed "available" or "not available" before... by default... but it is not showing this now
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12:11 zico hi
12:12 zico i cannot see the "status" of my opac
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12:12 zico when i searches for any book or others... it shows the item... but... not showing any "status" like... available or not!
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13:45 Nate Good morning, afternoon, and evening #koha!
13:48 nicomo good, what?, morning Nate
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13:54 CGI526 ciao a tutti
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13:58 nengard owen  -did you ever get the modify/delete queryset of items to work? if not did you report a bug? or is it the fact that we don't know how to use it?
13:59 owen nengard: I'm not sure I did file a bug. I was in the middle of trying to figure out what was going on and got distracted by other issues
14:00 nengard owen - i'm with you on that!!
14:00 nengard :)
14:03 Ropuch Hello nengard, owen
14:03 nengard hosdy
14:12 nengard oops - just now saw my typo :) that was supposed to be howdy! :)
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14:17 owen Don't pay any attention to jdavidb, he's had an overdose of Christmas spirit
14:17 jdavidb :P  Bah! Humbug!
14:20 jdavidb There are only a few Christmas songs I'm not rather tired of, owen.  I've managed to be enough of a hermit this year to *not* be completely sick of 'em.
14:20 owen I'm usually tired of Christmas songs by Halloween.
14:21 jdavidb I hear ya.  I was shocked last year to see Christmas decorations going up at Wal-Mart two days after Halloween.  Music and all.  Very annoying.
14:22 * owen sings, "All I want for Christmas is some approved patches"
14:22 jdavidb hehehe
14:23 * jdavidb belts out "I Want a Hippopotamus for Christmas."
14:29 nicomo nengard: I did manage to do a batch mod of items
14:29 nengard nicomo - okay - so my question is what did you edit? Did you edit every field? I only tried to change the library field on multiple items and nothing happened
14:30 nicomo I modified the note field of the items
14:30 nicomo adding some lame text
14:30 nicomo on a batch of about 1000 items
14:31 nengard okay - i'll see if I can do that
14:53 * owen thinks that's the same test he tried
14:53 nengard owen - i'm working with nicomo to pin point the prob
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15:37 nicomo nengard: it seems matts's code for batch mod of items uses: item2marc to get the data, updates marc, then mod item from marc
15:37 nicomo so it all goes through the API
15:37 nicomo and shouldn't be marc-flavour dependent
15:38 nengard okay - however owen and i are seeing some crazy errors
15:38 nengard when we added a non public note and it appeared in the item type field - for both of us
15:38 nengard and neither of us can change the library ...
15:38 nengard and when i added a public note it did not appear at all
15:39 nengard so - something is off
15:39 nicomo off it seems
15:40 nengard :)
15:40 nengard heh
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15:45 nengard nicomo should i report a bug to matt? with lots of image attachments so he can see what i see?
15:45 nicomo I'm on it with him
15:45 nicomo looking at the code
15:45 nengard oh okey dokey
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15:45 nicomo but I can't figure what's wrong
15:45 nicomo it all looks pretty standard stuff
15:45 nengard :(
15:52 nicomo nengard: any way we could test your install?
15:53 nengard no :( it's a virtual machine locally - bug i can say that it's just what i pulled from git
15:53 nengard maybe owen's is on the web?
15:53 nengard he has the same issues i have
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15:54 owen I'm testing on a VM too
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16:02 owen nengard, nicomo: For good measure I tried batch modifying a completely new record (rather than an imported one) and got the same results
16:02 nicomo ok
16:03 nengard owen - can you email nicomo some screenshots of your results? because you may be trying different things
16:04 owen One thing I'm not clear on: What should I see after submitting a batch change? I see a page that lists the items I chose to change and a link at the bottom that says "Go back."
16:04 owen Is that what I should see after a successful batch change?
16:04 nicomo yes
16:04 nicomo but with the change in it
16:04 owen Yes, that's right
16:05 nicomo nengard: and owen on step 1
16:05 nicomo when you have the list of items
16:05 nicomo are the right information in the right column?
16:06 nicomo homebranch under homebranch header, etc
16:06 nicomo ?
16:06 nicomo it seems so from nengard's screenshot
16:06 nengard yes - i think so
16:06 owen Yes
16:07 owen Batch-modding the item type results in the itemtype appearing in the "public note" field.
16:07 owen ...but it's the "non-public note" that got put in the itemtype field
16:08 owen Permanent location got put in Shelving location
16:10 owen collection code is unchanged
16:10 owen not for loan is unchanged
16:11 owen date acquired got put in source of acquisition
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16:13 owen It's weird, it's like each field is getting put into the field *after* the field it should be in
16:13 owen Maybe a loop count is off by one somewhere?
16:19 owen Suggestions management has lost the ability to specify a reason on the fly?
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16:23 nicomo owen: not that i know of
16:24 owen I'm going to the dropdown labeled "Choose a reason for all marked entries"
16:24 owen And I'm choosing "Others..."
16:24 owen I expected to get a text field for entering a custom reason, but nothing appeared
16:27 wizzyrea Hmm, am I just dumb or is there something wrong here (this was in the intranet with xslt turned on (current head): Software error:
16:27 wizzyrea Could not create file parser context for file "/home/liz/kohaclone/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/​prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2intranetDetail.xsl": No such file or directory at /home/liz/kohaclone/C4/ line 155
16:28 wizzyrea the file is existent?
16:28 wizzyrea (that is to say, it's there
16:29 wizzyrea )
16:29 wizzyrea OH wait... no it's not!
16:29 wizzyrea the unimarc one is there, but not MARC32
16:29 wizzyrea 21*
16:30 owen I think I remember someone else mentioning that
16:31 wizzyrea i'm looking for a related bug but I don't think I"m finding one
16:33 owen Looks like brendan asked the devel list about it, but got no responses
16:34 owen [Koha-devel] MARC21slim2intranetDetail.xsl on 2009-12-06
16:34 wizzyrea ok so I'm not nuts
16:34 wizzyrea I think I'll file a bug
16:35 wizzyrea Unless there's something wrong with the git
16:35 owen I don't think devs any better responses from the devel list than regular folks :)
16:35 wizzyrea that was a biblibre project?
16:35 wizzyrea the xslt-ization of the staff interface?
16:36 owen I can't remember who said they were working on that...
16:37 owen BibLibre contributed UNIMARC versions
16:37 owen Someone else was working on MARC21 I think
16:37 moodaepo @wunder 56001
16:37 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is -14.4�C (10:35 AM CST on December 14, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -18.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Falling).
16:37 owen It could be that the framework is there for XSLT on the staff side and it's just automatically looking for the MARC21 version just like it does on the OPAC side
16:38 owen (and by framework I mean the scripts necessary for display of the XSLT version)
16:38 wizzyrea right right
16:39 wizzyrea well, the file it's looking for isn't there :(
16:40 wizzyrea[…]e13ce80b2;hb=HEAD
16:40 wizzyrea doesn't look like it's here either
16:40 owen No wizzyrea I think it really honestly doesn't exist :)
16:40 wizzyrea hurrah
16:41 wizzyrea I will file a bug for it, and turn it off lol
16:41 owen Bug 2165
16:41 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2165 normal, P3, ---,, ASSIGNED, Add XSL Support for Staff Client -- was: ISBN being truncated
16:41 nicomo nengard:
16:41 nicomo and owen
16:41 owen gmcharlt on 2009-06-15 "Enabling XSLT bib display in the staff client has now been sponsored."
16:41 nicomo I think I've pinpointed the issue
16:41 nengard woo hoo
16:41 nicomo it's related to the framework
16:41 nengard ahhhh
16:41 nicomo no the marc flavour
16:42 owen Staff client XSLT went down the LEK hole?
16:42 nicomo nengard: items are called up in the page each according to it's own framework
16:42 nicomo but all saved with the default framework
16:43 nicomo so if framework ABC has the barcode in $k
16:43 nicomo and framework "" has it in $l
16:43 nicomo -> boom
16:43 nengard ahhh
16:45 nicomo I didn't see it in my install because all the frameworks I used are coherent as far as items are concerned
16:45 nicomo can you confirm this nengard ?
16:46 nengard are there item frameworks?
16:46 nengard tell me where to look to confirm this
16:46 nicomo admin > marc frameworks
16:46 nicomo item field
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16:46 nicomo for the different frameworks
16:47 wizzyrea so wait, ok, that bug says it was *going* to be done, is this a half job then?
16:47 wizzyrea b/c it looks like the unimarc flavor is there
16:48 nicomo nengard: if you have different settings for items in the various frameworks
16:48 wizzyrea actually, I'm going to be quiet, I don't know anything about this.
16:48 nicomo that would be an issue
16:48 nicomo hi wizzyrea
16:48 owen wizzyrea: BibLibre picked up the UNIMARC half, and someone else was expected to pick up the other half
16:48 nengard nicomo - i'm using just the defaults that koha installs - so which fields am i looking for in particular?
16:48 owen brendan: Did you get any off-list response to your question about the staff client XSL file?
16:48 nicomo I think in marc21 that's 852
16:48 nicomo not sure
16:49 owen nicomo: Are you saying that if the record I'm batch-modifying uses the default framework I should get correct batch edits?
16:49 nicomo yes
16:49 nicomo I think
16:49 nicomo I'd like confirmation
16:49 wizzyrea owen: thx, sorry I'm so dense.
16:49 brendan owen - nothing off-list - I talked with kf on-IRC and he stated it was on his list to get - same here
16:50 kf wizzyrea: brendan or me wanted to work on intranet xslt for marc21 (found no time yet, dont know about brendan)
16:50 brendan haven't found the time yet - here too
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16:51 kf brendan: im a girl ;)
16:51 owen nicomo: I confirmed that the record I was trying to edit was using the default framework, but still no success
16:52 nicomo :'(
16:52 brendan whoops - totally sorry :)
16:52 kf just started reading back, long meetings today
16:52 * kf also known as cait in IRC (when im on my computers at home)
16:52 nicomo owen: I have to say I'm really disappointed in you answer ;-)
16:52 brendan ahhh...  need to "/whois" more often
16:52 owen nicomo: I'll try again with another brand new record just to make sure
16:53 nicomo ok
16:53 nicomo have to leave for a moment bbl
16:54 wizzyrea oh and here I was thinking they were two separate people
16:54 * wizzyrea is now educated
16:54 wizzyrea well they are both helpful and nice lol
16:54 wizzyrea ^.^
16:54 owen :D
16:55 owen I wonder if chris's stats take that into account? :)
16:55 kf thx :)
16:57 kf hm no entry for cait in chris's stats
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17:05 wizzyrea ooh, the ladies are going to  need to be more vocal to catch up to the menfolk. :P
17:06 owen Sorry nicomo, still no luck even after batch-editing a newly-created record which used the default framework. :(
17:08 nengard nicomo owen - sorry - got distracted with the part of the manual i was writing - if you still need my help testing something, let me know
17:17 kf time to go home - bbl. bye #koha :)
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17:22 wizzyrea so, another question, the syspref for XSLTdetailDisplay seems to indicate that the setting is for OPAC only
17:22 wizzyrea but I just tested it, turning it on makes the intranet detail display go nuts
17:22 wizzyrea (nonexistant file prob. noted earlier)
17:22 nengard I thought XSLT was only opac
17:22 wizzyrea apparently not?
17:22 nengard hmm
17:23 wizzyrea i mean, I could have something set up funky but it's pretty much out of the bo
17:23 wizzyrea box*
17:24 wizzyrea soooo, if that is true, we need to either 1. change the name/location of the syspref or 2. split out the functionality of the two prefs: one for opac and one for intranet
17:25 wizzyrea (and fix the fact that it's broken, of course)
17:26 owen #2.
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17:36 wizzyrea bug 3920 bug 3921
17:36 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3920 major, P5, ---,, NEW, XSLTdetailDisplay syspref controls both OPAC and Intranet XSLT detail display
17:36 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3921 major, P5, ---,, NEW, XSLTdetailDisplay throws error in staff client
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17:58 owen Hi arturo8a
17:58 arturo8a hi owen
17:59 arturo8a hi to all =)
18:00 arturo8a owen, i need some help with koha
18:00 arturo8a =(
18:00 owen Ask away, if someone knows the answer they will answer
18:00 arturo8a ok :)
18:00 arturo8a (first, sorry for my bad english)
18:01 arturo8a well, my Librarian ask me this:
18:01 arturo8a she needs to all fields of authorities can be search from opac
18:03 arturo8a i dont know how to do this =/. So... i need to modify the way that koha is indexing authorities and biblios, and modify re-indexing script
18:05 arturo8a im using zebra... i need to create some "record.abs" like biblios marc_def but for authorities. I dont know where record.abs is called to indexing
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18:06 cait hi #koha
18:06 arturo8a hi cait
18:11 owen arturo8a: My silence means I don't know the answer :)
18:12 arturo8a hahaha
18:12 arturo8a thanks, anyway
18:12 arturo8a where you from, owen?
18:12 owen Nelsonville Public Library. Ohio, U.S.A.
18:13 jdavidb Hi, cait!  :)
18:14 arturo8a I'm from UNI Central Library. Lima, Perù
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18:16 arturo8a wich version of koha are you using?
18:20 owen We're on an incrementally updated version of 3.0
18:22 nengard woo hoo - groceries delivered now i can eat lunch :) be back soon
18:22 cait hi jdavidb and owen :)
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18:37 jdavidb Good evening, paul_p!
18:38 paul_p hi jdavidb (at hotel in lille)
18:38 paul_p very cold...
18:39 jdavidb It's much warmer here today--was very chilly over the weekend.
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18:41 jdavidb Howdy, collum. :)
18:45 collum Hi jdavidb
18:48 cait @wunder Konstanz
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18:50 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is 10.1�C (1:43 PM EST on December 14, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Falling).
18:54 wizzyrea question: I'm looking at the cataloguing search page (, more -> cataloguing) and the focus appears to be set for the search box in the code, but it's not working
18:55 wizzyrea can anyone else verify?
18:57 chris morning
18:57 wizzyrea mornin chris
18:58 imp wizzyrea: true, you can't start typing into the searchbox right after the reload
18:59 brendan morning chris
19:00 chris have i shown you guys the work pie has been doing?
19:00 chris
19:00 wizzyrea <input type="text" name="q"  size="40" class="focus" />
19:00 wizzyrea This should set the focus though, right?
19:00 nengard chris - that doesn't look like a pie
19:00 nengard ...
19:01 wizzyrea ooh very nice
19:01 brendan chris - this is what I got --
19:01 brendan never mind chris - cleared up
19:01 wizzyrea mine was pretty >.>
19:01 nengard hey chris - didn't you say that HLT was using task scheduler?
19:01 chris nope, they are live on 3 yet
19:01 paul_p g'morning chris.
19:01 chris arent even
19:02 chris hi paul_p , thanks for the nice comment
19:02 paul_p Hello wizzyrea, brendan & nengar
19:02 brendan heya paul_p
19:02 paul_p chris: was sincere ...
19:02 chris nengard: the trick with the scheduler is the user that the webserver runs as, needs to have permissions to use at
19:03 nengard how do i know who has permissions to run it?
19:03 nengard just look at the directory listing?
19:03 chris look at /etc/at.allow
19:03 chris if that exists then the users in that
19:04 chris if /etc/at.deny exists .. but is blank ... every user can use at
19:04 chris but if neither exist, only superusers can
19:04 chris paul_p: yep, it was good advice
19:04 nengard chris I have at.deny - but not at.allow
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19:04 chris is at.deny blank?
19:04 nengard nope
19:05 nengard full
19:05 chris so it has entries in it? is there one for www-data?
19:06 nengard yup
19:07 chris that will be blocking it
19:07 nengard so remove that line?
19:07 chris this is on your virtual machine eh? not one out on the net somewhere?
19:07 nengard right
19:07 chris yeah remove that line
19:07 nengard all local
19:08 chris (don't do that on a production machine, on a production machine you want your koha sites to run as their own user and use that to run at, but for testing this is fine)
19:09 nengard WOO HOO
19:09 nengard I got further than I have ever gotten before
19:09 nengard I will include your tips from this chat in the manual - including an important note to not delete www-data
19:10 nengard now all i'm missing is email functionality of my vm :) in short - i won't get this report because it can't email it to me
19:11 chris yep
19:11 chris now your cpan one
19:11 cait a tutorial how to set up sendmail for testing would be nice (have no email on my laptop too)
19:12 owen nengard: Install postfix?
19:12 chris sudo cpan -fi PDF::API2::Simple
19:12 nengard chris same errors
19:12 nengard owen - huh? :)
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19:14 owen[…]de/C/postfix.html
19:14 cait chris: uh, I missed that one too
19:14 owen nengard: But I didn't do any detailed configuration and it worked to send something through Koha
19:16 chris ok
19:16 chris nengard: sudo bash
19:17 chris cd /home/nengard/.cpan/build
19:17 chris ls
19:17 chris find the pdf-api dir
19:17 chris cd into that
19:17 chris (will have some random looking characters in the dir name as well)
19:17 nengard -bash: cd: PDF-API2-Simple-1.1.4-U40ggL: Permission denied
19:17 chris did you do the sudo bash bit first?
19:18 nengard uh huh - didn't work
19:18 nengard nengard@debian:~/kohaclone$ nengard: sudo bash
19:18 nengard -bash: nengard:: command not found
19:18 chris eek no bash ... horrible
19:18 chris ok
19:18 chris sudo su
19:18 cait chris: it worked for me - i will try to follow to, had problems with this package too
19:18 chris cool
19:18 chris so once you get into the dir
19:19 chris perl Makefile.PL
19:19 chris make
19:19 chris make test
19:19 chris then paste me the output of the test
19:19 cait makefile failed
19:19 chris what was the error it said?
19:20 nengard debian:/home/nengard/.cpan/buil​d/PDF-API2-Simple-1.1.4-U40ggL# perl Makefile.PLCan't locate inc/Module/ in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at Makefile.PL line 1.
19:20 nengard BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at Makefile.PL line 1.
19:20 cait same here :)
19:20 chris oh easy peasy
19:21 chris cpan Module::Install
19:22 cait installing
19:22 nengard me too
19:24 nengard wow - longest install ever
19:24 cait yes...
19:25 cait hm it stopped moving...
19:29 cait ah :)
19:29 nengard chris - results
19:29 nengard debian:/home/nengard/.cpan/buil​d/PDF-API2-Simple-1.1.4-U40ggL# make
19:29 nengard cp lib/PDF/API2/ blib/lib/PDF/API2/
19:29 nengard Manifying blib/man3/PDF::API2::Simple.3pm
19:29 nengard debian:/home/nengard/.cpan/buil​d/PDF-API2-Simple-1.1.4-U40ggL# make test
19:29 nengard PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /usr/bin/perl "-MExtUtils::Command::MM" "-e" "test_harness(0, 'inc', 'blib/lib', 'blib/arch')" t/01.t t/02_open.t t/pod.t
19:29 nengard t/01.t ....... ok
19:29 cait finished
19:29 nengard t/02_open.t .. ok
19:29 nengard t/pod.t ...... skipped: Test::Pod 1.00 required for testing POD
19:29 nengard All tests successful.
19:29 nengard Files=3, Tests=10,  1 wallclock secs ( 0.02 usr  0.04 sys +  0.61 cusr  0.47 csys =  1.14 CPU)
19:29 nengard Result: PASS
19:30 cait me too
19:30 cait here too
19:33 chris cool make install
19:34 nengard Installing /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0/PDF/API2/
19:34 nengard Installing /usr/local/man/man3/PDF::API2::Simple.3pm
19:34 nengard Appending installation info to /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0/perllocal.pod
19:34 cait Appending installation info to /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0/perllocal.pod
19:34 cait ok, same here, missed first 2 lines
19:34 nengard :)(
19:34 nengard or :)
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19:35 richard hi
19:35 chris hi richard
19:35 richard hey chris
19:35 nengard chris - it's installed!!!!! WOO HOOO
19:36 nengard unfortunatly that wasn't the problem with the basket printing
19:36 nengard it still can't print ... oh well - but at least i have it installed now
19:36 chris yeah thats spine lables
19:36 chris labels too
19:37 cait nengard: do you have sysprefs for pdf set?
19:37 nengard cait - what sys prefs?
19:37 nengard :)
19:37 nengard guess not
19:38 cait kf: hdl told me they must be set when I could not print pdf from biblibre's test installation
19:38 nengard ah - how do i create/get templates to include?
19:38 nengard adn what pdfformat sholuld i have?
19:38 cait I have to sysprefs for pdf
19:39 paul_p nengard: look at the apache logs
19:39 cait OrderPdfFormat set to pdfformat::layout3pages
19:39 cait and OrderPdfTemplate (empty)
19:39 paul_p if there is an error, you'll get html, that acrobat can't open
19:39 cait orderpdfformat has no description
19:39 cait oh nengard - have you tried to open the generated pdf-file with editor?
19:39 nengard paul_p - okay - but there needs to be a better way to make it clear to the librarian using the system that printing will fail
19:40 cait I had an error message in it
19:40 nengard like on other pages where it says - you need to set this sys pref
19:40 nengard or this notice for this work
19:40 paul_p nengard: the syspref should be correct by default (pdfformat::layout3pages iirc)
19:41 paul_p ( or pdfformat::layout2pages )
19:42 chris paul_p:  running the tests against each branch
19:44 nengard paul_p - my default is this:  pdfformat::example
19:44 nengard and I didn't put it that way
19:44 paul_p nengard: then it's a bug ! should be layout2pages or layout3pages
19:44 nengard k - i'll update my bug report
19:44 cait nengard: did you update? I have a new installation
19:44 nengard cait i did an update
19:45 cait in my new installation its:  pdfformat::layout3pages
19:45 hdl_laptop chris : WOWOWOWOW !!!!! Cool.
19:46 hdl_laptop chris : 3.0.x fails tests.
19:46 chris hdl_laptop: yep, but i sent a patch to fix master
19:46 chris i will send one for the 3.0.x today
19:46 hdl_laptop I should remove labels tests which fails quite unfairly
19:46 chris *nod*
19:47 chris hdl_laptop: what it does, is if it fails, it uses git-bisect to try and find when it last worked
19:47 chris eg
19:47 chris[…]rigin/translation
19:47 chris now i know that commit 1f7c701 broke the tests in the translation branch
19:47 hdl_laptop ok.
19:48 chris so once we get the tests all going nicely, then this can run all the time and we can spot commits that break them more easily
19:48 hdl_laptop So it seems that 3.0.x tests have been broken for a big while.
19:49 chris yes, for quite a while
19:49 chris does it use C4/ ?
19:49 chris that was breaking master
19:50 chris hdl_laptop: the other thing i played with in the weekend was gitdm to generate these stats
19:50 chris
19:50 chris
19:50 chris etc
19:51 hdl_laptop chris yes : for
19:51 hdl_laptop uses C4/
19:51 chris right
19:52 hdl_laptop Is it consolidated figures ?
19:52 paul_p chris: you cheater: with translations commits, you'll always & easily be the 1st commiter ever :D
19:52 chris heh
19:53 collum looks like I've been slacking.  Expect some patches soon.
19:53 chris paul_p: yep, i dont have many translation ones in 3.2.0 yet tho :)
19:54 chris the employer ones are interesting
19:55 cait paul_p: just saw nicoles bug update... will work on xslt once i get zebra working in my new installation
19:55 owen Ah, translations. I was wondering how chris had managed to be so busy!
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19:58 chris yep for 3.0.x its mostly translations
20:00 paul_p chris: something is wrong with = I have no lines removed, but I removed many scripts for new_acq.
20:00 chris its not who removed them, its who's lines they were i think
20:00 paul_p even in this cas, someone else should have them credited
20:01 chris and i think the signoff gets in the way
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20:42 cait do I need koha-zebraqueue-daemon when using as crontab?
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20:56 chris yeah another patch from wizzyrea
21:00 wizzyrea another teeny librarian annoyance resolved, I hope
21:13 wizzyrea owen++ for insisting on unique id's for everything
21:14 owen Even better would be if I followed through and made it so
21:15 wizzyrea dude, anything is better than nothing ^.^
21:15 wizzyrea I'm wondering if I should go ahead and fix this thing that is an annoyance for our librarians
21:15 wizzyrea I did it locally with jquery but it might be one of those things that a permanent fix would make more sense
21:16 wizzyrea (I fixed the focus of the cataloging search box so that the cursor goes into it on page load)
21:16 chris do it
21:16 wizzyrea well ok then, I will
21:16 chris :)
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21:28 wizzyrea omg, fastest bug turnaround ever!
21:28 wizzyrea fredericd++
21:28 chris heh
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21:29 cait wow
21:29 cait and *sigh*
21:31 cait fredericd++
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21:31 owen I feel a similar tinge of regret when someone else fixes something I wanted to fix
21:31 * owen enjoys fixing stuff!
21:32 owen But I would hate to discourage someone from contributing!
21:32 cait owen: wow, you understand me :)
21:36 * cait working on her first crontab
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22:23 lakab anyone care to answer a question?
22:24 lakab it has to do with integrating information into the koha db from an LDAP source
22:24 imp if it's not another metaquestion, maybe ;)
22:24 lakab metaquestion?  What did I miss? ;)
22:25 chris its always easier to ask the question than ask about asking the question :)
22:25 lakab ah... right
22:25 chris if ppl know the answer they will answer :)
22:25 cait and chris has answers to everything ;)
22:25 lakab so: I have my Koha speaking to my LDAP server
22:25 chris not LDAP
22:25 lakab (got it - thanks!)
22:25 lakab haha
22:25 chris someone else is gonna have to answer that one :)
22:26 lakab anyway, I have integration set to "1" in the config, and it is working well
22:26 lakab EXCEPT - it isn't bringing over the "firstname" attribute
22:27 lakab I know I have it mapped right - if I do an "ldapsearch" from the CLI for the property in the LDAP records, I find the right info
22:27 lakab <firstname    is="givenname"  ></firstname>
22:27 lakab is there something I'm missing?
22:28 lakab all the other bits of info being integrated were the default-ly required ones
22:28 lakab I added firstname to the <config> section, thinking it would just grab it naturally, but this is not the case
22:28 lakab I've googled around, but either I'm not asking the question correctly, or no one has had this problem before ;)
22:29 chris im not sure anyone who uses LDAP is on at the mo, but this is all being logged ;)  you might want to email the koha list with the question, hopefully joe who wrote a bunch of the LDAP stuff will see it and answer
22:29 lakab cool - the general support list or the devel list?
22:30 chris probably just the general, if its starts getting techy, can shift it over
22:30 lakab heh, got it - thanks!
22:43 lakab mailing list inquery is away - thanks for the help
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22:43 chris no problem hopefully someone has an answer for you
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23:44 Nate until tomorow #koha!
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23:50 moodaepo @wunder 56001
23:50 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is -15.1�C (5:48 PM CST on December 14, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -19.0�C. Windchill: -20.0�C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1022.6 hPa (Falling). Wind Chill Advisory in effect from midnight tonight to 11 am CST Tuesday...
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