IRC log for #koha, 2009-12-10

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00:15 * pianohacker has a minor expires/caching question for chris or anyone else who's around
00:43 chris fire away
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01:49 Jo hi all
02:26 pianohacker chris: haha, I missed your cue :) If you're still around, I was curious why firefox wouldn't be sending if-last-modified on requests for static content (especially in regards to koha)
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02:28 chris curl -I url .. what headers is the page setting?
02:29 chris eg  curl -I http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]g/en/css/opac.css
02:30 chris by default i dont think koha sets expires or cache headers
02:32 chris contrast that to
02:32 chris curl -I http://public.demo.kohalibrary[…]g/en/css/opac.css
02:32 chris mine is setting an expires header, which will make firefox know to worry about the last modified
02:32 pastebot "pianohacker" at pasted "Comparison of headers" (44 lines) at
02:33 pianohacker Okay, mine's definitely missing cache-control and expires
02:33 chris yeah
02:33 chris there was a patch
02:33 chris im not sure it got accepted
02:33 chris ill find it
02:34 masonj i remember seeing it hit the patch-list
02:35 pianohacker Hmm. Oddly enough, neither firebug nor wireshark show if-modified-since on the second request (not reload) to
02:36 chris weird
02:36 pianohacker I think I must have turned caching off somehow
02:37 pianohacker Do you happen to know how to trigger if-modified-since -> 304 style behavior? My understanding is that while not as efficient as expires, it allows in-place changes (like for a staff intranet) without requiring the version-at-the-end trick
02:40 chris ok try hitting that css on my site now
02:42 pianohacker It was broken on my end, as it turns out :)
02:42 chris yeah i could see it handing out 304's
02:43 pianohacker There we go. Now I know what settings to change on my server, thanks for your patience
02:45 chris no worries
02:45 chris heres what i have
02:46 pastebot "chris" at pasted "expires" (6 lines) at
02:48 pianohacker Changing those values based on opac/staff, production/testing/devel/etc of course. Thanks
02:50 chris *nod*
02:52 pianohacker Dare I ask how your latest patch solved bug 3861?
02:52 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3861 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---,, ASSIGNED, Can't Place Holds in OPAC
02:52 chris the problem was C4::Items and C4::Biblio both use C4::Reserves
02:53 chris the ordering was causing it to get redefined in bad ways .. the real fix is to rewrite chunks of code to kill those circular dependencies
02:53 chris but for now, changing the order makes them behave better
02:54 pianohacker If I understand it, we'll probably have to split some modules into pieces so it's an inheritance hierarchy rather than spiderweb, right?
02:54 chris exactly
02:56 chris and removing interdependence
02:56 chris just like normalising a db really
02:56 chris fixing many to manys :)
02:56 pianohacker yup
03:18 Jo chris:
03:19 Jo if there are bugs in bugzilla which I need to have fixed for us, and they are not assigned to you, what do i do?
03:20 chris make a wr in wrms, allocate it to me, and put the bug number in it
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03:24 Amit heya brendan, chris,
03:24 Amit good morning #koha
03:25 chris hi Amit
03:30 brendan hi Amit
03:30 Jo thanks chris
03:30 Amit heya Jo
03:30 Jo hiya :)
03:31 Jo Chris: do i reassign it in bugzilla ?
03:31 chris ill do that when i go to work on it
03:31 Jo cool - thanks
03:31 chris someone might beat me :)
03:31 chris (we live in hope)
03:33 * pianohacker thinks he's figured out cas, looks vaguely like openid for intranets, could be a very nice alternative to ldap for some people
03:33 Jo its taking me quite some time to my head around the bugs
03:33 Jo trying not to re-identify known bugs
03:33 SelfishMan /ignore WormFood
03:33 SelfishMan dammit
03:33 pie pianohacker: do you have a link with info about cas?
03:34 pie I can't find anything on it
03:34 Jo and wanting to lock them in my head so when I'm testing and find something odd I can recognise it as already reported or find it in bugzilla
03:34 pianohacker pie:
03:34 pie sweet, thanks :)
03:34 * pie is always interested in identity and authentication :)
03:35 pie heh, I'm usually chilts on this channel ... wonder how long I've been pie for :)
03:39 brendan pie is an interesting nick though
03:41 pie :)
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04:10 pianohacker Good night
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04:56 Genji hiya all!
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05:41 greenmang0 @wunder mumbai
05:41 munin greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 29.0�C (10:40 AM IST on December 10, 2009). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
05:41 CGI985 when I want to run 'sudo -u koha zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml'
05:41 CGI985 but it shows 'sudo: no passwd entry for koha!'
05:42 CGI985 what should I do??
05:42 greenmang0 CGI985: you might want to set password for a system user koha
05:46 CGI985 greenmang0: how can I set password and what is user koha?
05:47 CGI985 greenmang0: I have kept kohadatabaseuser as 'kohaadmin' and password '12'. now wht should I do??
05:48 greenmang0 that is a mysql user
05:48 greenmang0 and your problem is regarding a system user koha
05:49 CGI985 so how can I set it? Im still not getting user koha...
05:49 greenmang0 use "su -" to get a root user access of your system and then execute "passwd koha" to set password for a system user - koha
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05:54 CGI985 greenmang0: how can I write this command plz write it in proper format as I can run it
05:54 greenmang0 su -
05:54 greenmang0 notice hypen - this is to get root access
05:54 greenmang0 passwd koha
05:55 CGI985 i have done it Im now in root
05:55 greenmang0 this is to set password for koha system user
05:55 CGI985 but command passwd koha show me 'passwd: unknown user koha'
05:59 CGI985 greenmang0: it is not working at myside
05:59 greenmang0 what is not working?
05:59 CGI985 it show 'passwd: unknown user koha'
05:59 greenmang0 CGI985: that means koha user doesn't exist on your system
05:59 greenmang0 try this command
06:00 greenmang0 useradd -m -s /bin/bash koha
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06:03 CGI985 greenmang0: which commad. my IRC chat is going offlince frequently. I dnt why?
06:03 greenmang0 useradd -m -s /bin/bash koha
06:03 greenmang0 as a root user
06:04 Steven anybody still using v2.2.9?
06:05 Steven i m wondering how to define holiday date in v2.9?
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06:09 Steven anybody can help?
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06:11 CGI985 greenmang: why is my irc going offline after some seconds
06:11 Steven i m wondering how to define holiday date in v2.9?
06:12 CGI985 greenmang: these command working now i run 'sudo -u koha zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml'
06:12 CGI985 it show one permission denied
06:13 CGI985 now should i continue or fix this fatal??
06:15 CGI985 greenmang> is it error ??
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06:16 Steven anybody can help me? i m using v2.2.9 koha....i wanna define holiday date into the system, any idea?
06:17 CGI985 greenmang> wht should I do now?
06:17 CGI985 wht shld I do?
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06:18 CGI985 wht should i do?
06:19 CGI985 green mang>
06:20 greenmang0 CGI985: execute "su - koha"
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06:32 CGI985 greenmang: >it still now working
06:33 CGI985 greenmang: it show sudoer r not registered
06:33 CGI985 then I run this command su -
06:33 CGI985 echo -ne "koha ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL\n" >> /etc/sudoers
06:33 CGI985 su - koha
06:34 CGI985 now it show 'sudo: zebrasrc: command not found'
06:35 greenmang0 i think the command is "zebrasrv"
06:35 greenmang0 you made a typo
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06:38 CGI985 greenmang0: it show still same as
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06:40 CGI985 greenmang: it show me that sudoer r not registered and wil be reported then I run 'echo -ne "koha ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL\n" >> /etc/sudoers'
06:41 CGI985 now koha user is not asking passwd and same error show as
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06:48 CGI985 greenmang:
06:48 CGI985 wht is the fatal??
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06:52 Ropuch Morning #koha
06:53 imp moin Ropuch
06:57 Amit @wounder Bangalore, india
06:57 munin Amit: Error: "wounder" is not a valid command.
06:57 Amit @wunder Bangalore india
06:57 munin Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 24.0�C (11:30 AM IST on December 10, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 13.0�C.
06:58 imp @wunder hannover germany
06:58 munin imp: The current temperature in Hannover, Germany is 6.0�C (7:50 AM CET on December 10, 2009). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling).
06:59 imp meeh :(
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07:00 Amit heya imp
07:00 CGI985 sudo -u koha zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml>>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 25 <<<sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 25
07:01 CGI985 wht it is not running ??
07:01 Amit i think
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07:01 Amit CG1985: sudo zebrasrv -f
07:01 Amit heya nicomo
07:01 greenmang0 CGI985: paste complete error
07:01 nicomo hello Amit, morning all
07:01 greenmang0 CGI985: paste /etc/sudoers on pastebin
07:02 CGI985 sudoers is not opening? how can I open it?
07:03 CGI985 I have also run this command 'echo -ne "koha ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL\n" >> /etc/sudoers'
07:04 greenmang0 CGI985: su -
07:04 greenmang0 get root access and open sudoers
07:06 CGI985
07:09 CGI985 greenmang0 have u got it
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07:12 CGI985 why is my CGI:IRC is going disconnected after some minuters
07:12 CGI985 minutes
07:13 CGI985 greenmang:
07:15 CGI985 im
07:17 greenmang0 CGI985:
07:17 greenmang0 check what changes i have done... do it accordingly
07:17 greenmang0 edit file /etc/sudoers manually
07:17 greenmang0 don't use that "echo" command
07:18 CGI985 how can I add
07:18 CGI985 edit
07:18 CGI985 ??
07:18 greenmang0 nano /etc/sudoers   as a root user
07:20 CGI985 ok
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07:28 CGI985 greenmang>
07:28 CGI985 it show still same fatal permision denied
07:28 CGI985
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07:32 Ropuch hm
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07:36 CGI985 greenmang0: do u know what is the prob
07:38 greenmang0 CGI985: nope... what are you try to do?
07:38 greenmang0 what that command does?
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07:41 CGI985 greenmang0: why is my CGI:IRC is going disconnected after some minutes
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07:45 greenmang0 CGI985: no clue
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07:46 Genji maybe that guy's router has a inactive nat timer.
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07:52 CGI985 j
07:52 CGI985 greenmang>
07:53 Genji CGI093: how are you connecting to the net?
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07:54 CGI985 Genji: by proxy
07:55 CGI985 then on ''
07:55 CGI985 and enter web based one
07:55 Genji CGI985: then, i figure that your proxy is seeing that the connection representing your IRC session, is idle, and disconnects you.
07:56 Genji Your solution, use a actual client.
07:56 CGI985 mean?
07:56 Genji The usual irc Pings from mirc will keep your connection active.
07:56 CGI985 Im not getting
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07:59 CGI985 Genji: Im not getting
08:01 Genji CGI985: i suggest, download mirc
08:01 Genji What OS are you using? Windows? Mac?
08:01 Genji Linux?
08:02 CGI985 linux debian
08:02 Genji Ah.
08:02 CGI985 debian-lenny
08:02 Genji Then, prehaps, bitchX.
08:02 Genji Think thats it...
08:02 Genji Or, mirc under Wine.
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08:03 Genji[…]forms-unix-x.html
08:04 CGI985 Genji: wht r u saying, Im not getting???
08:04 CGI985 Genji
08:04 Genji The reason for your timeout is, your http proxy thinks that you are done with your http connection, because no information exchange occurs, when no one is talking.
08:05 Genji And, it disconnects it.
08:05 Genji Avoid this, by using a real irc client.
08:05 CGI985 how can i using real irc
08:06 Genji go to the link I just gave you, go through the clients, and choose one.
08:07 paul_p hello world
08:08 Genji don't you mean: print "Hello world"; ?
08:09 paul_p lol
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08:26 kf good morning #koha
08:26 Ropuch guten Morgen kf [;
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08:28 Ropuch CGI558: have solved yopur zebra problems?
08:28 paul_p good morning germany !
08:28 CGI558 no
08:28 Ropuch Bonjour France ;>
08:28 CGI558 ropouch: no still not
08:28 CGI558
08:29 Ropuch CGI558: 09:05 < CGI985> how can i using real irc
08:29 Ropuch ugh
08:29 Ropuch CGI558:
08:29 Ropuch Paste it to a file, chmod it and sudo run it
08:30 Ropuch quick & dirty method to get your zebra running
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08:35 CGI985 Ropuch: how can I paste it?
08:36 Ropuch Just open your text editor, paste the content and save it (call it whatever you want, for example)
08:37 Ropuch Then chmod +x
08:37 Ropuch and ./
08:39 CGI985 Ropuch: Im hanged in...
08:39 CGI985 not getting even an iota
08:41 CGI985 installation of koha take me too much time.. as month have been passed
08:41 CGI985 but Im still in trouble
08:43 CGI985 Ropuch: plz solve my zebra problem
08:43 greenmang0 CGI985: because you are not a full time debian user i suppose... when you get time read this
08:44 greenmang0 CGI985: this will help you get your hands on everyday used linux commands and make you aware of how to use them
08:44 greenmang0 :)
08:45 CGI985 greenmang0: thank you green mag0
08:45 CGI985 do u help me now abt zebra
08:45 CGI985 it is
08:49 kf check if the last file exists and has the right permissions (I think user must be koha)
08:49 kf owner
08:50 Ropuch And check if you have /var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios directory
08:51 Ropuch CGI985: I have this working every time I try it
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08:53 Ropuch CGI985: sudo chown -R koha:koha /var/lock/koha/zebradb/
08:53 Ropuch Then: /usr/share/koha/bin/./ start
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09:23 paul_p chris++ for digging into long time standing bz entries...
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10:08 greenmang0 is PDF indexing possible with Zebra Indexing ?
10:09 Genji Would probably have to go through a PDF to text process first.
10:09 Genji That is, your wanting full text indexing?
10:10 Amit heya Genji
10:12 Genji hiya Amit.
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10:12 Genji Im curious, Amit, greenmang0, what do you guys do / who do you support?
10:12 Amit Genji: please be clear
10:13 * Genji hrms.. "I am a part time developer of Koha for a Saudi Arabian journal article archive."
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10:27 CGI348 when I want to run the command 'sudo -u ${koha} misc/bin/'
10:28 CGI348 it show sudo: no passwd entry for misc/bin/!
10:28 CGI348 wht command I use to avoid this
10:32 Ropuch sudo -u koha
10:33 greenmang0 Genji: i am a sysadmin.. who knows how to install koha / kete... but doesn't know how to make koha search full text... ;)
10:36 CGI348 ropuch:  it is not working
10:36 Ropuch Ok, stell me where are you now
10:37 Ropuch I mean: in your system - type pwd and press enter
10:37 CGI348 Im at koha@lumhs-b70715be2:~$
10:38 Ropuch pwd
10:38 Ropuch I'm intersted in your working directory
10:38 CGI348 12
10:38 CGI348 mean..?
10:38 Ropuch ?
10:38 CGI348 password 12
10:38 Ropuch Type pwd in your console and press enter
10:38 Ropuch ropuch@bagno:~/Projekty/koha/3.2(kohawbz)$ pwd
10:38 Ropuch /home/ropuch/Projekty/koha/3.2
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10:39 Ropuch It will show in whata directory you're in
10:40 CGI348 Im at home/lumhs
10:41 CGI348 sorry
10:41 CGI348 home/nouman
10:41 Ropuch No problem
10:41 Ropuch ;>
10:41 Ropuch Ok, where do you have your koha installed? In default /usr/share/koha?
10:41 CGI348 yeah offcourse
10:42 Ropuch ok
10:42 Ropuch cd /usr/share/koha/bin
10:43 CGI348 ok now Im in bin
10:43 Ropuch export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib
10:43 Ropuch export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
10:44 CGI348 done it
10:44 Ropuch sudo mkdir -p /var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/
10:44 Ropuch sudo mkdir -p /var/lock/koha/zebradb/authorities/
10:46 CGI348 I have done it
10:50 Ropuch sudo migration_tools/./ -a -b -v
10:53 CGI348 this command is not working
10:53 Ropuch Any errors?
10:53 CGI348
10:55 Ropuch Ok, another way then
10:55 Ropuch sudo bash
10:55 Ropuch export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib
10:56 Ropuch export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
10:56 Ropuch migration_tools/ -a -b -v
10:56 Ropuch /usr/share/koha/bin/./ start
10:56 Ropuch chown -R koha:koha /var/lock/koha/zebradb/
10:57 Ropuch (I know, we shouldn't be using root account, but this shoould get your zebra working)
11:03 CGI348 here it show some tables does not exist
11:04 CGI348 ropuch:
11:07 Ropuch Hm, strange
11:09 Ropuch CGI348: you went through web installer?
11:10 CGI348 ropuch
11:10 CGI348 no
11:10 Ropuch zebraqueue and auth_headers should be creted during install
11:10 CGI348 . Im still in step5
11:10 CGI348 zebraserver and zebraqueue Daemon
11:11 CGI348 next step is web installer. so should I go without fix it?
11:11 Ropuch Yes
11:11 Ropuch :)
11:12 Ropuch Running web installer will create needed tables in your koha database
11:12 kf chris: around?
11:12 Ropuch CGI348: if you broke something, you can always drop & crete koha database then run webinstaller once more to get a clean koha install
11:13 Ropuch So don't hesistate to test things
11:13 CGI348 ok.
11:13 CGI348 Im creating databse then run web installer
11:14 CGI348 hope u will b around there to help me
11:14 Ropuch I will
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13:11 jwagner Lively bunch this morning....
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13:16 Nate Good morning #koha
13:16 paul_p 'morning Nate & jwagner
13:17 Nate morning paul_p
13:17 nengard morning
13:17 paul_p Nate: nope, morning done for frenchies ;-)
13:17 paul_p hi nengard !
13:18 Nate right I forgot about that!
13:18 Nate Good morning, afternoon, and night to all
13:19 paul_p right. it's better to say "hello" in fact, you're sure to make no mistake :D
13:19 hdl_laptop hi
13:20 jwagner OK, "hello" to everyone!
13:22 Ropuch ;>
13:22 jdavidb Howdy! :D
13:22 kf hello everyone
13:26 nengard so - i learned something new in docbook last night
13:26 nengard i learned how to credit others with content they're written - so that means - start sending me your documentation :) hehe
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13:34 CGI238 hi
13:34 CGI238 Does anyone know how i can get too
13:34 Ropuch CGI238: sure, what irc client aru you using?
13:35 nengard paul_p or hdl_laptop - on the opac purchase suggestion form - first thank you for adding ISBN!!!  second - what is document type supposed to be?
13:35 CGI238 Idk I think most of my clients are blocked by external proxy
13:35 CGI238 >.<
13:35 CGI238 I hate places of education
13:35 hdl_laptop itemtype or ccode
13:36 CGI238 So
13:36 CGI238 anyone got anyidea
13:36 CGI238 of how i can use CGI:IRC to get to
13:37 CGI238 .>>>>>>>...,<<<<<<<<<<<
13:37 CGI238 fucking useless
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13:37 * jdavidb blinks.
13:38 nengard hdl_laptop - my list isn't populated with anything - and I do have item types and ccodes set - so is this a bug?
13:39 * nengard confused about who or what is useless...
13:39 hdl_laptop I guess so.
13:39 nengard okey dokey
13:39 Ropuch I think he was targeting chanel ;>
13:39 Ropuch I was just to tell him to use, but well
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13:50 nengard i'm reading through my old bugs and closing some!! woo hoo!! - but also testing the new acq module to see where it answered some of my requests :)
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14:21 |Lupin| hello !
14:23 |Lupin| I'd need  help with a Perl question, please
14:23 |Lupin| my $batch = MARC::Batch->new( 'USMARC', STDIN );
14:24 |Lupin| doesn't work: perl complains that STDIN is a bareword which is not allowed here.
14:24 |Lupin| Can anyone pls give me the right syntax ? not sure where o look to find it
14:37 |Lupin| nobody ?
14:38 Ropuch My perl skill is little bit oabove hello world ;>
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14:41 eiro hello world
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14:49 jwagner |Lupin| that's beyond my skills too, but looking at some of the sample usage in the various files, you might try using it as <STDIN> with the brackets.
14:58 eiro cya all
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15:11 |Lupin| jwagner: no that's for reading lines, but thanks
15:11 |Lupin| jwagner: the right answer was \*STDIN
15:11 |Lupin| jwagner: I writing a script to remove item fields from records
15:11 |Lupin| i's weird
15:11 |Lupin| yaz-marcdump can read the input record
15:12 |Lupin| but when I call it on a file produced by my script
15:12 |Lupin| nothing is displayed
15:21 * brendan off in search of coffee
15:24 jwagner Brendan's going to South America or someplace???
15:33 brendan no coffee in the house - had to settle for black tea
15:38 |Lupin| black tea is healthier than coffee anyway :)
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15:44 * jdavidb waves to rhcl
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15:46 brendan |Lupin| *sigh*
15:51 jwagner Sometimes I think healthiness is vastly overrated/....
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16:06 |Lupin| till soon everybody !
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16:10 nengard brendan i think my hubby would divorce me if ever there was no coffee in the house ...
16:10 nengard yikes
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16:11 brendan yeah - I'm the only coffee drinker here, so if I want it, I gotta get it
16:11 brendan :)
16:16 nahuel me too :p
16:16 nahuel (hi)
16:19 nengard brendan - oh yeah - I don't drink coffee either - but still shopping is my job :) hehe
16:19 nengard I'll brb
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16:19 brendan hey nahuel
16:19 brendan coffee => excellent
16:20 nahuel Coffee's good !
16:22 jwagner For some reason I'm reminded of a line from Ogden Nash (I think):  Candy is dandy but liquor is quicker.  It's going to be a long day, I think....
16:23 sekjal nahuel: testing out web-irc.  not too shabby!  thanks for the pointer
16:23 nahuel :)
16:26 sekjal oh, yes, and to chip in on earlier conversation thread, coffee is essential
16:27 hilongo I like mine without sugar  :)
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17:21 cait hi #koha
17:24 brendan @wunder 93117
17:24 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 10.2�C (9:21 AM PST on December 10, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Rising).
17:25 cait @wunder Konstanz
17:25 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 6.0�C (6:00 PM CET on December 10, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.32 in 1027 hPa (Rising).
17:25 jdavidb @wunder 20852
17:25 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is 5.3�C (12:23 PM EST on December 10, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.50 in 998.9 hPa (Rising).
17:25 jdavidb Finally!
17:25 cait hi jdavidb
17:25 jdavidb Hi, cait.  :D
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18:27 brendan howdy jdaivdb !
18:27 brendan agreed finally
18:28 * jdavidb makes goofy faces at brendan
18:36 schuster wizzyrea - you here?
18:36 brendan hey schuster
18:36 schuster Hey!
18:37 brendan I do have to agree with pianohacker - wish zebra wouldn't fail - so quietly
18:37 wizzyrea sup schuster
18:37 schuster sitting in on a webinar - still trying to figure out what part of it is dealing with open source!
18:37 wizzyrea worst... webinar... ever
18:37 schuster I see you wizzyrea!!!
18:38 wizzyrea ;)
18:38 schuster Watching that last vendor was painful.
18:38 schuster this vendor I'm trying to figure out what his point is.
18:41 jwagner OK, I'll bite -- which vendors are these???
18:41 wizzyrea equinox and sirsi
18:42 cait only 2?
18:42 wizzyrea afaik
18:43 brendan true same no one from koha community was invited
18:43 wizzyrea probably liblime was, but they declined
18:43 wizzyrea because, you know, they ARE koha
18:44 wizzyrea too busy not supporting their clients.
18:44 wizzyrea yea, I went there.
18:44 jwagner If this is open source, what's Sirsi doing there?
18:44 brendan I don't know who to give the negative karma to here ?
18:45 schuster API extendability
18:46 jwagner that's a stretch....
18:48 * jdavidb stares at wizzyrea with his mouth hanging open.
18:49 jdavidb I bet Josh is reaching for the aloe vera right now, but doesn't know why...
18:49 jdavidb wizzyrea++
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18:52 chris quick hi before catching my bus
18:53 jdavidb hi, chris. :)
18:53 wizzyrea jdavidb: lol
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18:54 cait hi chris
18:54 jwagner hi quick chris
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18:56 cait chris++ for pootle update
18:56 chris thanks
18:56 chris it seems pretty nice
18:57 cait and i can search :)
18:57 Genji hiya all!
19:00 wizzyrea powah to the koha libraries! schuster++
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19:00 veryinky :|
19:00 schuster karma wizzyrea ++
19:01 brendan wizzyrea++
19:01 wizzyrea apparently a simple opac is funny to libraries?
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19:02 chris ok work time
19:04 wizzyrea i'm gonna need a shower after this webinar
19:04 * veryinky wonders why koha wants (en-NZ) instead of just (en)
19:05 cait differences between en-gb, en-nz and en-us, catalog versus catalogue etc.
19:05 wizzyrea i've got the proprietary stink on me :P
19:05 cait lol
19:06 veryinky Yeah.
19:06 veryinky I just noticed that it has Francais (fr-CA) with English (en) under it. Then a | with English (en-NZ) to the right of it.
19:07 cait hm
19:07 veryinky But it's odd, english (en) is barely visible. I wonder if it's just like that in mozilla.
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19:07 veryinky (running koha 3.0.4)
19:12 veryinky Ok. It's in windows and linux, mozilla and internet explorer.
19:12 wizzyrea weird
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19:16 nengard wizzyrea that's a good way to put it - proprietary stink
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19:17 schuster holds his breath as it is bad.
19:19 nengard schuster i left after equinox - i was only there to hear about the open source and so when that was done I cut out of  there
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19:20 wizzyrea the chat has been good though
19:20 wizzyrea I think
19:20 veryinky The bottom left corner. Resizing the text or changing the size of the window does not help.
19:22 schuster nengard - I see on your website - CJRLC, Live Online, December 15, 2009  - is this open for anyone or?
19:23 nengard schuster - it's for CJRLC members - but if they have openings they usually let others in
19:23 wizzyrea veryinky- hm, you need all of those languages?
19:25 veryinky Just french-ca and english. I'm trying, and failing, to remove English (en-NZ).
19:26 veryinky Altering koha/admin/, setting it so that it only has (en) and (fr-ca) checked for language and opaclanguages does not seem to remove that en-nz.
19:27 veryinky (clicking on the save, logging out, closing mozilla, logging back in, even as a different user, the en-nz is still there.
19:28 veryinky Though I can add/remove languages on the left of that | so I'm guessing I'm using the wrong preferences menu.
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19:31 richard hi
19:32 veryinky :|
19:39 cait verinky: perhaps its a bug, do you have template files for en-NZ? you could try deleting them
19:41 veryinky Well. It's just an irritant at this point, since I'm the only one who's going to be seeing this. The regular staff client only shows fr-ca and en, it's the admin 8080 client that's acting odd.
19:43 veryinky This happened when I upgraded from 3.0.2 to 3.0.4, so I'm installing koha on an other computer to see where I went wrong.
19:44 * veryinky will try deleting the template files if all else fails.
19:45 chris back
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19:50 chris wizzyrea: todays song of the day
19:51 wizzyrea nice!
19:57 wizzyrea ok, I have a sort of strange jquery question
19:57 wizzyrea I want to add to the "results not found" page an option to select a library from a drop-down form
19:58 wizzyrea I have the form done, but I'm not sure how to make it show using jquery
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19:58 cait hm
19:59 cait I added some warnings to borrowers, where is your problem?
19:59 cait want to send me what you want to show on the page?
19:59 wizzyrea yea, sec
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20:05 cait i think a customizable area for no results page would be a nice feature
20:05 cait libraries could add hints for searching or links to other catalogs there
20:06 wizzyrea yes, that's what I'm doing
20:06 wizzyrea :)
20:06 wizzyrea with jquery
20:06 wizzyrea ok sec, gonna stick this on screencast 1s
20:06 cait but a syspref would be nice too :)
20:06 wizzyrea very
20:08 wizzyrea ok, the image at the top of the page here
20:08 wizzyrea
20:09 chris hi bgkriegel
20:09 bgkriegel hi chris
20:11 pastebot "wizzyrea" at pasted "the form I'm trying to append to the no results page" (36 lines) at
20:11 wizzyrea erm, ignore those single quotes :{
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20:14 chris im gonna do some work optimising pootle with memcached etc
20:14 chris any weirdness, its probably me
20:21 Genji Whats pootle?
20:22 cait Genji: the software used for translating koha
20:23 bgkriegel Genji: look our koha pootle on, it is used to translate koha
20:29 veryinky Ah
20:30 veryinky Looks like I selected En-NZ when I installed the update of koha.
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21:10 chris ok it should be a little big faster now
21:16 chris s/big/bit/
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21:31 cait ok, good night #koha
21:31 chris night cait
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22:49 chris *sigh*
22:54 imp hm?
22:55 chris andrea's message to the mailing list
22:55 chris help me with a report for koha please, oh and by the way we want to shift to LEK
22:56 pie then, 'no thanks'
22:56 chris thats what i said, i hope politely
22:56 pie :)
22:57 chris If you are moving to LEK, we can't really help you too much. Since LEK
22:57 chris is not Koha, we don't know what database changes and code changes have
22:57 chris been made in LEK.
22:57 chris We could write something like this for Koha, so that all libraries
22:57 chris would get the benefit of it. But I wouldn't be comfortable doing one
22:57 chris tailored to work in LEK, so it can be locked away.
22:59 pie unless you pay me $1 billion (and even then I might not)
23:00 pie of course, with that much cash, you could run a library system for all the libraries in the world for free :)
23:00 pie that'd be awesome :D
23:00 chris :)
23:02 Genji chris: what mailing list is this?
23:03 chris the main koha one
23:03 chris the one i told you to get on :-)
23:03 pie heh
23:03 Genji hmm... ill check ita gain.. must of ignored it....
23:05 Genji ah found it in koha-dev.
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23:07 chris ah yep, ccd there, actually i think the main one got caught, too many recipients
23:08 Genji ... can't believe someone has contact with koha community, but is thinking of going to LEK...
23:08 Genji liblime--
23:08 Genji @karma liblime
23:08 munin Genji: Karma for "liblime" has been increased 0 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of -5.
23:08 Genji katipo++
23:08 Genji catalyst++
23:09 Genji openkoha++
23:09 Genji chris++
23:09 chris lunchtime++
23:09 * chris goes to lunch
23:10 Genji @karma lunchtime
23:10 munin Genji: Karma for "lunchtime" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
23:10 Genji Meh, why not.
23:10 pie lunctime++
23:10 Genji lunchtime++
23:10 * pie goes too

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