Time Nick Message 00:15 * pianohacker has a minor expires/caching question for chris or anyone else who's around 00:43 chris fire away 01:49 Jo hi all 02:26 pianohacker chris: haha, I missed your cue :) If you're still around, I was curious why firefox wouldn't be sending if-last-modified on requests for static content (especially in regards to koha) 02:28 chris curl -I url .. what headers is the page setting? 02:29 chris eg curl -I http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/opac-tmpl/prog/en/css/opac.css 02:30 chris by default i dont think koha sets expires or cache headers 02:32 chris contrast that to 02:32 chris curl -I http://public.demo.kohalibrary.com/opac-tmpl/prog/en/css/opac.css 02:32 chris mine is setting an expires header, which will make firefox know to worry about the last modified 02:32 pastebot "pianohacker" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "Comparison of headers" (44 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/86 02:33 pianohacker Okay, mine's definitely missing cache-control and expires 02:33 chris yeah 02:33 chris there was a patch 02:33 chris im not sure it got accepted 02:33 chris ill find it 02:34 masonj i remember seeing it hit the patch-list 02:35 pianohacker Hmm. Oddly enough, neither firebug nor wireshark show if-modified-since on the second request (not reload) to opac.koha.workbuffer.org 02:36 chris weird 02:36 pianohacker I think I must have turned caching off somehow 02:37 pianohacker Do you happen to know how to trigger if-modified-since -> 304 style behavior? My understanding is that while not as efficient as expires, it allows in-place changes (like for a staff intranet) without requiring the version-at-the-end trick 02:40 chris ok try hitting that css on my site now 02:42 pianohacker It was broken on my end, as it turns out :) 02:42 chris yeah i could see it handing out 304's 02:43 pianohacker There we go. Now I know what settings to change on my server, thanks for your patience 02:45 chris no worries 02:45 chris heres what i have 02:46 pastebot "chris" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "expires" (6 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/87 02:48 pianohacker Changing those values based on opac/staff, production/testing/devel/etc of course. Thanks 02:50 chris *nod* 02:52 pianohacker Dare I ask how your latest patch solved bug 3861? 02:52 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3861 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris@bigballofwax.co.nz, ASSIGNED, Can't Place Holds in OPAC 02:52 chris the problem was C4::Items and C4::Biblio both use C4::Reserves 02:53 chris the ordering was causing it to get redefined in bad ways .. the real fix is to rewrite chunks of code to kill those circular dependencies 02:53 chris but for now, changing the order makes them behave better 02:54 pianohacker If I understand it, we'll probably have to split some modules into pieces so it's an inheritance hierarchy rather than spiderweb, right? 02:54 chris exactly 02:56 chris and removing interdependence 02:56 chris just like normalising a db really 02:56 chris fixing many to manys :) 02:56 pianohacker yup 03:18 Jo chris: 03:19 Jo if there are bugs in bugzilla which I need to have fixed for us, and they are not assigned to you, what do i do? 03:20 chris make a wr in wrms, allocate it to me, and put the bug number in it 03:24 Amit heya brendan, chris, 03:24 Amit good morning #koha 03:25 chris hi Amit 03:30 brendan hi Amit 03:30 Jo thanks chris 03:30 Amit heya Jo 03:30 Jo hiya :) 03:31 Jo Chris: do i reassign it in bugzilla ? 03:31 chris ill do that when i go to work on it 03:31 Jo cool - thanks 03:31 chris someone might beat me :) 03:31 chris (we live in hope) 03:33 * pianohacker thinks he's figured out cas, looks vaguely like openid for intranets, could be a very nice alternative to ldap for some people 03:33 Jo its taking me quite some time to my head around the bugs 03:33 Jo trying not to re-identify known bugs 03:33 SelfishMan /ignore WormFood 03:33 SelfishMan dammit 03:33 pie pianohacker: do you have a link with info about cas? 03:34 pie I can't find anything on it 03:34 Jo and wanting to lock them in my head so when I'm testing and find something odd I can recognise it as already reported or find it in bugzilla 03:34 pianohacker pie: http://www.ja-sig.org/wiki/display/CASUM 03:34 pie sweet, thanks :) 03:34 * pie is always interested in identity and authentication :) 03:35 pie heh, I'm usually chilts on this channel ... wonder how long I've been pie for :) 03:39 brendan pie is an interesting nick though 03:41 pie :) 04:10 pianohacker Good night 04:56 Genji hiya all! 05:41 greenmang0 @wunder mumbai 05:41 munin greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 29.0�C (10:40 AM IST on December 10, 2009). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 05:41 CGI985 when I want to run 'sudo -u koha zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml' 05:41 CGI985 but it shows 'sudo: no passwd entry for koha!' 05:42 CGI985 what should I do?? 05:42 greenmang0 CGI985: you might want to set password for a system user koha 05:46 CGI985 greenmang0: how can I set password and what is user koha? 05:47 CGI985 greenmang0: I have kept kohadatabaseuser as 'kohaadmin' and password '12'. now wht should I do?? 05:48 greenmang0 that is a mysql user 05:48 greenmang0 and your problem is regarding a system user koha 05:49 CGI985 so how can I set it? Im still not getting user koha... 05:49 greenmang0 use "su -" to get a root user access of your system and then execute "passwd koha" to set password for a system user - koha 05:54 CGI985 greenmang0: how can I write this command plz write it in proper format as I can run it 05:54 greenmang0 su - 05:54 greenmang0 notice hypen - this is to get root access 05:54 greenmang0 passwd koha 05:55 CGI985 i have done it Im now in root 05:55 greenmang0 this is to set password for koha system user 05:55 CGI985 but command passwd koha show me 'passwd: unknown user koha' 05:59 CGI985 greenmang0: it is not working at myside 05:59 greenmang0 what is not working? 05:59 CGI985 it show 'passwd: unknown user koha' 05:59 greenmang0 CGI985: that means koha user doesn't exist on your system 05:59 greenmang0 try this command 06:00 greenmang0 useradd -m -s /bin/bash koha 06:03 CGI985 greenmang0: which commad. my IRC chat is going offlince frequently. I dnt why? 06:03 greenmang0 useradd -m -s /bin/bash koha 06:03 greenmang0 as a root user 06:04 Steven anybody still using v2.2.9? 06:05 Steven i m wondering how to define holiday date in v2.9? 06:09 Steven anybody can help? 06:11 CGI985 greenmang: why is my irc going offline after some seconds 06:11 Steven i m wondering how to define holiday date in v2.9? 06:12 CGI985 greenmang: these command working now i run 'sudo -u koha zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml' 06:12 CGI985 it show one permission denied http://pastebin.org/62977 06:13 CGI985 now should i continue or fix this fatal?? 06:15 CGI985 04greenmang> is it error ?? 06:16 Steven anybody can help me? i m using v2.2.9 koha....i wanna define holiday date into the system, any idea? 06:17 CGI985 04greenmang> wht should I do now? 06:17 CGI985 wht shld I do? 06:18 CGI985 02wht should i do? 06:19 CGI985 02green mang> http://pastebin.org/62977 06:20 greenmang0 CGI985: execute "su - koha" 06:32 CGI985 04greenmang: >it still now working 06:33 CGI985 greenmang: it show sudoer r not registered 06:33 CGI985 then I run this command su - 06:33 CGI985 echo -ne "koha ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL\n" >> /etc/sudoers 06:33 CGI985 su - koha 06:34 CGI985 now it show 'sudo: zebrasrc: command not found' 06:35 greenmang0 i think the command is "zebrasrv" 06:35 greenmang0 you made a typo 06:38 CGI985 greenmang0: it show still same as http://pastebin.org/62977 06:40 CGI985 greenmang: it show me that sudoer r not registered and wil be reported then I run 'echo -ne "koha ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL\n" >> /etc/sudoers' 06:41 CGI985 now koha user is not asking passwd and same error show as http://pastebin.org/62977 06:48 CGI985 04greenmang: 06:48 CGI985 wht is the fatal?? 06:52 Ropuch Morning #koha 06:53 imp moin Ropuch 06:57 Amit @wounder Bangalore, india 06:57 munin Amit: Error: "wounder" is not a valid command. 06:57 Amit @wunder Bangalore india 06:57 munin Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 24.0�C (11:30 AM IST on December 10, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. 06:58 imp @wunder hannover germany 06:58 munin imp: The current temperature in Hannover, Germany is 6.0�C (7:50 AM CET on December 10, 2009). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling). 06:59 imp meeh :( 07:00 Amit heya imp 07:00 CGI985 sudo -u koha zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml>>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 25 <<<sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 25 07:01 CGI985 wht it is not running ?? 07:01 Amit i think 07:01 Amit CG1985: sudo zebrasrv -f 07:01 Amit heya nicomo 07:01 greenmang0 CGI985: paste complete error 07:01 nicomo hello Amit, morning all 07:01 greenmang0 CGI985: paste /etc/sudoers on pastebin 07:02 CGI985 sudoers is not opening? how can I open it? 07:03 CGI985 I have also run this command 'echo -ne "koha ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL\n" >> /etc/sudoers' 07:04 greenmang0 CGI985: su - 07:04 greenmang0 get root access and open sudoers 07:06 CGI985 http://pastebin.org/62998 07:09 CGI985 greenmang0 have u got it 07:12 CGI985 why is my CGI:IRC is going disconnected after some minuters 07:12 CGI985 minutes 07:13 CGI985 greenmang: http://pastebin.org/62998 07:15 CGI985 im 07:17 greenmang0 CGI985: http://pastebin.org/62999 07:17 greenmang0 check what changes i have done... do it accordingly 07:17 greenmang0 edit file /etc/sudoers manually 07:17 greenmang0 don't use that "echo" command 07:18 CGI985 how can I add 07:18 CGI985 edit 07:18 CGI985 ?? 07:18 greenmang0 nano /etc/sudoers as a root user 07:20 CGI985 ok 07:28 CGI985 04greenmang> 07:28 CGI985 it show still same fatal permision denied 07:28 CGI985 http://pastebin.org/63001 07:32 Ropuch hm 07:36 CGI985 greenmang0: do u know what is the prob 07:38 greenmang0 CGI985: nope... what are you try to do? 07:38 greenmang0 what that command does? 07:40 CGI985 http://pastebin.org/63001 07:41 CGI985 greenmang0: why is my CGI:IRC is going disconnected after some minutes 07:45 greenmang0 CGI985: no clue 07:46 Genji maybe that guy's router has a inactive nat timer. 07:52 CGI985 j 07:52 CGI985 04greenmang> 07:53 Genji CGI093: how are you connecting to the net? 07:54 CGI985 Genji: by proxy 07:55 CGI985 then on 'http://koha.org/support/free-support' 07:55 CGI985 and enter web based one 07:55 Genji CGI985: then, i figure that your proxy is seeing that the connection representing your IRC session, is idle, and disconnects you. 07:56 Genji Your solution, use a actual client. 07:56 CGI985 mean? 07:56 Genji The usual irc Pings from mirc will keep your connection active. 07:56 CGI985 Im not getting 07:59 CGI985 Genji: Im not getting 08:01 Genji CGI985: i suggest, download mirc 08:01 Genji What OS are you using? Windows? Mac? 08:01 Genji Linux? 08:02 CGI985 linux debian 08:02 Genji Ah. 08:02 CGI985 debian-lenny 08:02 Genji Then, prehaps, bitchX. 08:02 Genji Think thats it... 08:02 Genji Or, mirc under Wine. 08:03 Genji http://www.ircreviews.org/clients/platforms-unix-x.html 08:04 CGI985 Genji: wht r u saying, Im not getting??? 08:04 CGI985 Genji 08:04 Genji The reason for your timeout is, your http proxy thinks that you are done with your http connection, because no information exchange occurs, when no one is talking. 08:05 Genji And, it disconnects it. 08:05 Genji Avoid this, by using a real irc client. 08:05 CGI985 how can i using real irc 08:06 Genji go to the link I just gave you, go through the clients, and choose one. 08:07 paul_p hello world 08:08 Genji don't you mean: print "Hello world"; ? 08:09 paul_p lol 08:26 kf good morning #koha 08:26 Ropuch guten Morgen kf [; 08:28 Ropuch CGI558: have solved yopur zebra problems? 08:28 paul_p good morning germany ! 08:28 CGI558 no 08:28 Ropuch Bonjour France ;> 08:28 CGI558 ropouch: no still not 08:28 CGI558 http://pastebin.org/63001 08:29 Ropuch CGI558: 09:05 < CGI985> how can i using real irc 08:29 Ropuch ugh 08:29 Ropuch CGI558: http://koha.pastebin.com/d519190c3 08:29 Ropuch Paste it to a file, chmod it and sudo run it 08:30 Ropuch quick & dirty method to get your zebra running 08:35 CGI985 Ropuch: how can I paste it? 08:36 Ropuch Just open your text editor, paste the content and save it (call it whatever you want, zebra.sh for example) 08:37 Ropuch Then chmod +x zebra.sh 08:37 Ropuch and ./zebra.sh 08:39 CGI985 Ropuch: Im hanged in... 08:39 CGI985 not getting even an iota 08:41 CGI985 installation of koha take me too much time.. as month have been passed 08:41 CGI985 but Im still in trouble 08:43 CGI985 Ropuch: plz solve my zebra problem 08:43 greenmang0 CGI985: because you are not a full time debian user i suppose... when you get time read this http://dsl.org/cookbook/cookbook_toc.html 08:44 greenmang0 CGI985: this will help you get your hands on everyday used linux commands and make you aware of how to use them 08:44 greenmang0 :) 08:45 CGI985 greenmang0: thank you green mag0 08:45 CGI985 do u help me now abt zebra 08:45 CGI985 it is http://pastebin.org/63001 08:49 kf check if the last file zebra.pid exists and has the right permissions (I think user must be koha) 08:49 kf owner 08:50 Ropuch And check if you have /var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios directory 08:51 Ropuch CGI985: I have this working every time I try it 08:53 Ropuch CGI985: sudo chown -R koha:koha /var/lock/koha/zebradb/ 08:53 Ropuch Then: /usr/share/koha/bin/./koha-zebra-ctl.sh start 09:23 paul_p chris++ for digging into long time standing bz entries... 10:08 greenmang0 is PDF indexing possible with Zebra Indexing ? 10:09 Genji Would probably have to go through a PDF to text process first. 10:09 Genji That is, your wanting full text indexing? 10:10 Amit heya Genji 10:12 Genji hiya Amit. 10:12 Genji Im curious, Amit, greenmang0, what do you guys do / who do you support? 10:12 Amit Genji: please be clear 10:13 * Genji hrms.. "I am a part time developer of Koha for a Saudi Arabian journal article archive." 10:27 CGI348 when I want to run the command 'sudo -u ${koha} misc/bin/zebraqueue_daemon.pl' 10:28 CGI348 it show sudo: no passwd entry for misc/bin/zebraqueue_daemon.pl! 10:28 CGI348 wht command I use to avoid this 10:32 Ropuch sudo -u koha 10:33 greenmang0 Genji: i am a sysadmin.. who knows how to install koha / kete... but doesn't know how to make koha search full text... ;) 10:36 CGI348 ropuch: it is not working 10:36 Ropuch Ok, stell me where are you now 10:37 Ropuch I mean: in your system - type pwd and press enter 10:37 CGI348 Im at koha@lumhs-b70715be2:~$ 10:38 Ropuch pwd 10:38 Ropuch I'm intersted in your working directory 10:38 CGI348 12 10:38 CGI348 mean..? 10:38 Ropuch ? 10:38 CGI348 password 12 10:38 Ropuch Type pwd in your console and press enter 10:38 Ropuch ropuch@bagno:~/Projekty/koha/3.2(kohawbz)$ pwd 10:38 Ropuch /home/ropuch/Projekty/koha/3.2 10:39 Ropuch It will show in whata directory you're in 10:40 CGI348 Im at home/lumhs 10:41 CGI348 sorry 10:41 CGI348 home/nouman 10:41 Ropuch No problem 10:41 Ropuch ;> 10:41 Ropuch Ok, where do you have your koha installed? In default /usr/share/koha? 10:41 CGI348 yeah offcourse 10:42 Ropuch ok 10:42 Ropuch cd /usr/share/koha/bin 10:43 CGI348 ok now Im in bin 10:43 Ropuch export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib 10:43 Ropuch export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml 10:44 CGI348 done it 10:44 Ropuch sudo mkdir -p /var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/ 10:44 Ropuch sudo mkdir -p /var/lock/koha/zebradb/authorities/ 10:46 CGI348 I have done it 10:50 Ropuch sudo migration_tools/./rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -v 10:53 CGI348 this command is not working 10:53 Ropuch Any errors? 10:53 CGI348 http://pastebin.org/63017 10:55 Ropuch Ok, another way then 10:55 Ropuch sudo bash 10:55 Ropuch export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib 10:56 Ropuch export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml 10:56 Ropuch migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -v 10:56 Ropuch /usr/share/koha/bin/./koha-zebra-ctl.sh start 10:56 Ropuch chown -R koha:koha /var/lock/koha/zebradb/ 10:57 Ropuch (I know, we shouldn't be using root account, but this shoould get your zebra working) 11:03 CGI348 here it show some tables does not exist 11:04 CGI348 ropuch: http://pastebin.org/63020 11:07 Ropuch Hm, strange 11:09 Ropuch CGI348: you went through web installer? 11:10 CGI348 ropuch 11:10 CGI348 no 11:10 Ropuch zebraqueue and auth_headers should be creted during install 11:10 CGI348 . Im still in step5 11:10 CGI348 zebraserver and zebraqueue Daemon 11:11 CGI348 next step is web installer. so should I go without fix it? 11:11 Ropuch Yes 11:11 Ropuch :) 11:12 Ropuch Running web installer will create needed tables in your koha database 11:12 kf chris: around? 11:12 Ropuch CGI348: if you broke something, you can always drop & crete koha database then run webinstaller once more to get a clean koha install 11:13 Ropuch So don't hesistate to test things 11:13 CGI348 ok. 11:13 CGI348 Im creating databse then run web installer 11:14 CGI348 hope u will b around there to help me 11:14 Ropuch I will 13:11 jwagner Lively bunch this morning.... 13:16 Nate Good morning #koha 13:16 paul_p 'morning Nate & jwagner 13:17 Nate morning paul_p 13:17 nengard morning 13:17 paul_p Nate: nope, morning done for frenchies ;-) 13:17 paul_p hi nengard ! 13:18 Nate right I forgot about that! 13:18 Nate Good morning, afternoon, and night to all 13:19 paul_p right. it's better to say "hello" in fact, you're sure to make no mistake :D 13:19 hdl_laptop hi 13:20 jwagner OK, "hello" to everyone! 13:22 Ropuch ;> 13:22 jdavidb Howdy! :D 13:22 kf hello everyone 13:26 nengard so - i learned something new in docbook last night 13:26 nengard i learned how to credit others with content they're written - so that means - start sending me your documentation :) hehe 13:34 CGI238 hi 13:34 CGI238 Does anyone know how i can get too irc.freenode.net/#python 13:34 Ropuch CGI238: sure, what irc client aru you using? 13:35 nengard paul_p or hdl_laptop - on the opac purchase suggestion form - first thank you for adding ISBN!!! second - what is document type supposed to be? 13:35 CGI238 Idk I think most of my clients are blocked by external proxy 13:35 CGI238 >.< 13:35 CGI238 I hate places of education 13:35 hdl_laptop itemtype or ccode 13:36 CGI238 So 13:36 CGI238 anyone got anyidea 13:36 CGI238 of how i can use CGI:IRC to get to irc.freenode.net. 13:37 CGI238 .>>>>>>>...,<<<<<<<<<<< 13:37 CGI238 fucking useless 13:37 * jdavidb blinks. 13:38 nengard hdl_laptop - my list isn't populated with anything - and I do have item types and ccodes set - so is this a bug? 13:39 * nengard confused about who or what is useless... 13:39 hdl_laptop I guess so. 13:39 nengard okey dokey 13:39 Ropuch I think he was targeting chanel ;> 13:39 Ropuch I was just to tell him to use webchat.freenode.net, but well 13:50 nengard i'm reading through my old bugs and closing some!! woo hoo!! - but also testing the new acq module to see where it answered some of my requests :) 14:21 |Lupin| hello ! 14:23 |Lupin| I'd need help with a Perl question, please 14:23 |Lupin| my $batch = MARC::Batch->new( 'USMARC', STDIN ); 14:24 |Lupin| doesn't work: perl complains that STDIN is a bareword which is not allowed here. 14:24 |Lupin| Can anyone pls give me the right syntax ? not sure where o look to find it 14:37 |Lupin| nobody ? 14:38 Ropuch My perl skill is little bit oabove hello world ;> 14:41 eiro hello world 14:49 jwagner |Lupin| that's beyond my skills too, but looking at some of the sample usage in the various files, you might try using it as <STDIN> with the brackets. 14:58 eiro cya all 15:11 |Lupin| jwagner: no that's for reading lines, but thanks 15:11 |Lupin| jwagner: the right answer was \*STDIN 15:11 |Lupin| jwagner: I writing a script to remove item fields from records 15:11 |Lupin| i's weird 15:11 |Lupin| yaz-marcdump can read the input record 15:12 |Lupin| but when I call it on a file produced by my script 15:12 |Lupin| nothing is displayed 15:21 * brendan off in search of coffee 15:24 jwagner Brendan's going to South America or someplace??? 15:33 brendan no coffee in the house - had to settle for black tea 15:38 |Lupin| black tea is healthier than coffee anyway :) 15:44 * jdavidb waves to rhcl 15:46 brendan |Lupin| *sigh* 15:51 jwagner Sometimes I think healthiness is vastly overrated/.... 16:06 |Lupin| till soon everybody ! 16:10 nengard brendan i think my hubby would divorce me if ever there was no coffee in the house ... 16:10 nengard yikes 16:11 brendan yeah - I'm the only coffee drinker here, so if I want it, I gotta get it 16:11 brendan :) 16:16 nahuel me too :p 16:16 nahuel (hi) 16:19 nengard brendan - oh yeah - I don't drink coffee either - but still shopping is my job :) hehe 16:19 nengard I'll brb 16:19 brendan hey nahuel 16:19 brendan coffee => excellent 16:20 nahuel Coffee's good ! 16:22 jwagner For some reason I'm reminded of a line from Ogden Nash (I think): Candy is dandy but liquor is quicker. It's going to be a long day, I think.... 16:23 sekjal nahuel: testing out web-irc. not too shabby! thanks for the pointer 16:23 nahuel :) 16:26 sekjal oh, yes, and to chip in on earlier conversation thread, coffee is essential 16:27 hilongo I like mine without sugar :) 17:21 cait hi #koha 17:24 brendan @wunder 93117 17:24 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 10.2�C (9:21 AM PST on December 10, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Rising). 17:25 cait @wunder Konstanz 17:25 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 6.0�C (6:00 PM CET on December 10, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.32 in 1027 hPa (Rising). 17:25 jdavidb @wunder 20852 17:25 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is 5.3�C (12:23 PM EST on December 10, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 29.50 in 998.9 hPa (Rising). 17:25 jdavidb Finally! 17:25 cait hi jdavidb 17:25 jdavidb Hi, cait. :D 18:27 brendan howdy jdaivdb ! 18:27 brendan agreed finally 18:28 * jdavidb makes goofy faces at brendan 18:36 schuster wizzyrea - you here? 18:36 brendan hey schuster 18:36 schuster Hey! 18:37 brendan I do have to agree with pianohacker - wish zebra wouldn't fail - so quietly 18:37 wizzyrea sup schuster 18:37 schuster sitting in on a webinar - still trying to figure out what part of it is dealing with open source! 18:37 wizzyrea worst... webinar... ever 18:37 schuster I see you wizzyrea!!! 18:38 wizzyrea ;) 18:38 schuster Watching that last vendor was painful. 18:38 schuster this vendor I'm trying to figure out what his point is. 18:41 jwagner OK, I'll bite -- which vendors are these??? 18:41 wizzyrea equinox and sirsi 18:42 cait only 2? 18:42 wizzyrea afaik 18:43 brendan true same no one from koha community was invited 18:43 wizzyrea probably liblime was, but they declined 18:43 wizzyrea because, you know, they ARE koha 18:44 wizzyrea too busy not supporting their clients. 18:44 wizzyrea yea, I went there. 18:44 jwagner If this is open source, what's Sirsi doing there? 18:44 brendan I don't know who to give the negative karma to here ? 18:45 schuster API extendability 18:46 jwagner that's a stretch.... 18:48 * jdavidb stares at wizzyrea with his mouth hanging open. 18:49 jdavidb I bet Josh is reaching for the aloe vera right now, but doesn't know why... 18:49 jdavidb wizzyrea++ 18:52 chris quick hi before catching my bus 18:53 jdavidb hi, chris. :) 18:53 wizzyrea jdavidb: lol 18:54 cait hi chris 18:54 jwagner hi quick chris 18:56 cait chris++ for pootle update 18:56 chris thanks 18:56 chris it seems pretty nice 18:57 cait and i can search :) 18:57 Genji hiya all! 19:00 wizzyrea powah to the koha libraries! schuster++ 19:00 veryinky :| 19:00 schuster karma wizzyrea ++ 19:01 brendan wizzyrea++ 19:01 wizzyrea apparently a simple opac is funny to libraries? 19:02 chris ok work time 19:04 wizzyrea i'm gonna need a shower after this webinar 19:04 * veryinky wonders why koha wants (en-NZ) instead of just (en) 19:05 cait differences between en-gb, en-nz and en-us, catalog versus catalogue etc. 19:05 wizzyrea i've got the proprietary stink on me :P 19:05 cait lol 19:06 veryinky Yeah. 19:06 veryinky I just noticed that it has Francais (fr-CA) with English (en) under it. Then a | with English (en-NZ) to the right of it. 19:07 cait hm 19:07 veryinky But it's odd, english (en) is barely visible. I wonder if it's just like that in mozilla. 19:07 veryinky (running koha 3.0.4) 19:12 veryinky Ok. It's in windows and linux, mozilla and internet explorer. 19:12 wizzyrea weird 19:16 nengard wizzyrea that's a good way to put it - proprietary stink 19:17 schuster holds his breath as it is bad. 19:19 nengard schuster i left after equinox - i was only there to hear about the open source and so when that was done I cut out of there 19:20 wizzyrea the chat has been good though 19:20 wizzyrea I think 19:20 veryinky http://i47.tinypic.com/a9uxyg.png The bottom left corner. Resizing the text or changing the size of the window does not help. 19:22 schuster nengard - I see on your website - CJRLC, Live Online, December 15, 2009 - is this open for anyone or? 19:23 nengard schuster - it's for CJRLC members - but if they have openings they usually let others in 19:23 wizzyrea veryinky- hm, you need all of those languages? 19:25 veryinky Just french-ca and english. I'm trying, and failing, to remove English (en-NZ). 19:26 veryinky Altering koha/admin/systempreferences.pl, setting it so that it only has (en) and (fr-ca) checked for language and opaclanguages does not seem to remove that en-nz. 19:27 veryinky (clicking on the save, logging out, closing mozilla, logging back in, even as a different user, the en-nz is still there. 19:28 veryinky Though I can add/remove languages on the left of that | so I'm guessing I'm using the wrong preferences menu. 19:31 richard hi 19:32 veryinky :| 19:39 cait verinky: perhaps its a bug, do you have template files for en-NZ? you could try deleting them 19:41 veryinky Well. It's just an irritant at this point, since I'm the only one who's going to be seeing this. The regular staff client only shows fr-ca and en, it's the admin 8080 client that's acting odd. 19:43 veryinky This happened when I upgraded from 3.0.2 to 3.0.4, so I'm installing koha on an other computer to see where I went wrong. 19:44 * veryinky will try deleting the template files if all else fails. 19:45 chris back 19:50 chris wizzyrea: todays song of the day http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV88zD55_zc 19:51 wizzyrea nice! 19:57 wizzyrea ok, I have a sort of strange jquery question 19:57 wizzyrea I want to add to the "results not found" page an option to select a library from a drop-down form 19:58 wizzyrea I have the form done, but I'm not sure how to make it show using jquery 19:58 cait hm 19:59 cait I added some warnings to borrowers, where is your problem? 19:59 cait want to send me what you want to show on the page? 19:59 wizzyrea yea, sec 20:05 cait i think a customizable area for no results page would be a nice feature 20:05 cait libraries could add hints for searching or links to other catalogs there 20:06 wizzyrea yes, that's what I'm doing 20:06 wizzyrea :) 20:06 wizzyrea with jquery 20:06 wizzyrea ok sec, gonna stick this on screencast 1s 20:06 cait but a syspref would be nice too :) 20:06 wizzyrea very 20:08 wizzyrea ok, the image at the top of the page here 20:08 wizzyrea http://2dot8test.mykansaslibrary.org/?page_id=10 20:09 chris hi bgkriegel 20:09 bgkriegel hi chris 20:11 pastebot "wizzyrea" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "the form I'm trying to append to the no results page" (36 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/88 20:11 wizzyrea erm, ignore those single quotes :{ 20:14 chris im gonna do some work optimising pootle with memcached etc 20:14 chris any weirdness, its probably me 20:21 Genji Whats pootle? 20:22 cait Genji: the software used for translating koha 20:23 bgkriegel Genji: look our koha pootle on http://translate.koha.org/, it is used to translate koha 20:29 veryinky Ah 20:30 veryinky Looks like I selected En-NZ when I installed the update of koha. 21:10 chris ok it should be a little big faster now 21:16 chris s/big/bit/ 21:31 cait ok, good night #koha 21:31 chris night cait 22:49 chris *sigh* 22:54 imp hm? 22:55 chris andrea's message to the mailing list 22:55 chris help me with a report for koha please, oh and by the way we want to shift to LEK 22:56 pie then, 'no thanks' 22:56 chris thats what i said, i hope politely 22:56 pie :) 22:57 chris If you are moving to LEK, we can't really help you too much. Since LEK 22:57 chris is not Koha, we don't know what database changes and code changes have 22:57 chris been made in LEK. 22:57 chris We could write something like this for Koha, so that all libraries 22:57 chris would get the benefit of it. But I wouldn't be comfortable doing one 22:57 chris tailored to work in LEK, so it can be locked away. 22:59 pie unless you pay me $1 billion (and even then I might not) 23:00 pie of course, with that much cash, you could run a library system for all the libraries in the world for free :) 23:00 pie that'd be awesome :D 23:00 chris :) 23:02 Genji chris: what mailing list is this? 23:03 chris the main koha one 23:03 chris the one i told you to get on :-) 23:03 pie heh 23:03 Genji hmm... ill check ita gain.. must of ignored it.... 23:05 Genji ah found it in koha-dev. 23:07 chris ah yep, ccd there, actually i think the main one got caught, too many recipients 23:08 Genji ... can't believe someone has contact with koha community, but is thinking of going to LEK... 23:08 Genji liblime-- 23:08 Genji @karma liblime 23:08 munin Genji: Karma for "liblime" has been increased 0 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of -5. 23:08 Genji katipo++ 23:08 Genji catalyst++ 23:09 Genji openkoha++ 23:09 Genji chris++ 23:09 chris lunchtime++ 23:09 * chris goes to lunch 23:10 Genji @karma lunchtime 23:10 munin Genji: Karma for "lunchtime" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. 23:10 Genji Meh, why not. 23:10 pie lunctime++ 23:10 Genji lunchtime++ 23:10 * pie goes too