IRC log for #koha, 2009-10-14

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01:14 ricardo chris: Are you here?
01:28 ricardo @later tell chris Hi Chris!  :)  I sent you an e-mail with the updated (and likely final) Portuguese translations of OPAC and STAFF. Please, read it. Thanks!
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01:28 ricardo @later tell hdl_laptop Hi Henri!  :)  I CCed you the e-mail that I sent Chris with the updated (and likely final) Portuguese translations of OPAC and STAFF. Please, read it. Thanks!
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02:12 ricardo Hi again... Hi Galen!
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02:15 ricardo Way past my bed time. I have to go to bed now. Take care! :)
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03:10 thd brendon is that you or your ghost?
03:10 thd brendan is that you or your ghost?
03:12 brendan that is me
03:12 brendan hi thd
03:12 thd hello brendan
03:12 thd have I come across harshly about the ballot on the mailing list?
03:13 brendan not harshly -- just long winded
03:14 thd brendan: Do some people think that long winded and harsh are the same?
03:14 brendan it's tough -- so much emotion in the issue
03:14 thd or similar
03:14 thd ?
03:14 brendan I don't know if harsh = long winded
03:14 brendan not in my mind
03:15 brendan I've been overwhelmed by all you've written
03:16 brendan and honestly haven't even opened the last two emails that you sent earlier today
03:16 brendan I will get to them -- just needed a moment before I read more
03:16 thd brendan: the last one about the ballot was the only good one
03:16 brendan brb
03:18 brendan back
03:18 brendan ok will have to read that one
03:19 brendan I've agreed with the ballot issues --
03:19 thd brendan: agreed about what aspect?
03:20 brendan that would should not pigeon-hole ourselves into forming a foundation now --
03:20 brendan stewardship should be first (or some sensible holder for domain and name of koha)
03:22 thd brendan: chris had noticed that only new people to Koha had voted for "independent foundation now"
03:23 thd which raised speculation that they did not know how much work that would involve
03:24 thd brendan: yet I was last asking for fairness to not take away that option after first offering it.
03:26 thd brendan: did I appear to be disrespectful of nengard and her charge by being long winded or in what I wrote?
03:29 brendan reading back through them now
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03:31 Amit hi chris, brendan, richard
03:31 Amit good morning #koha
03:31 thd good morning Amit
03:31 brendan Amit good evening
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03:35 brendan thd - do you feel that you were disrespectful of nengard?
03:35 Amit hi thd
03:36 thd brendan: no I do not but feelings are not important if someone else has felt affected differently
03:36 thd brendan: no I do not but my feelings are not important if someone else has felt affected differently
03:37 thd brendan: I also think that I apologised once in case I may have seemed harsh
03:37 brendan I would let it settle for a day
03:38 brendan time for everyone to read through your messages
03:38 thd brendan: I am quite certain they mostly go unread beyond the first few lines
03:38 thd brendan: responses were often to only the first few lines
03:39 thd ... which often missed the key point
03:39 brendan *nods*
03:41 thd brendan: I actually had the same sentiment as most people of wanting less discussion
03:42 thd brendan: I was willing to work like crazy to give the less discussion options the best chance
03:42 thd ... and a fair chance
03:43 thd most suggestions I read on IRC were about rigging the ballot to ensure that the less discussion options were chosen
03:44 brendan As far as nengard being disrespected - I don't know if she was or not -- I do know that she wants what's best and wants the ballot to be out that will best help koha
03:45 thd Yes, I think her first choice was to rig the ballot for the best an actually that is a very defensible position
03:45 brendan ah thd -- I gotta run for a little bit -- my wife just got home...  cya in a bit
03:45 thd Ok
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03:56 thd rach: are you there?
03:57 thd rach: you have not voted on wiki-relicensing
03:59 thd rach: maybe you also have multiple votes on wiki-relicensing
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06:04 kf morning #koha
06:05 nicomo hi kf and #koha
06:06 kf good morning nicomo
06:07 Ropuch Morning
06:07 Ropuch Hi kf, hello nicomo
06:11 kf good morning Ropuch
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06:28 hdl_laptop hi
06:30 Ropuch Morning hdl_laptop
06:30 hdl_laptop hi Ropuch
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06:42 kf is there an easy way to change messaging_preferences after import? I looked at the sql tables, but it seems rather complicated
06:43 kf morning hdl_laptop
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07:11 Amit heya kf, nicomo
07:11 nicomo hi Amit
07:12 kf hi Amit
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09:39 Amit hi galen, ricardo
09:39 ricardo Good morning Amit !
09:39 gmcharlt hi Amit (and goodbye for moment, about to board airplane)
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09:42 * chris finally makes it back to wellington
09:42 chris now to push up some translations
09:43 hdl_laptop oh... It is late.
09:43 hdl_laptop hi chris.
09:44 hdl_laptop I thought you would finally not make it
09:44 ricardo Good morning chris & Henri!  :)
09:45 Amit hi hdl
09:45 chris yeah i will probably need to do some tomorrow morning im afraid hdl :()
09:46 ricardo "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." -     Douglas Adams, English humorist & science fiction novelist (1952 - 2001)
09:46 ricardo ;-)
09:48 chris :)
09:48 chris i didnt expect the hotel to have such useless internet :( and when i was at the conference everyone wanted to talk
09:48 chris which was good, lots of interest in koha, but bad, that i got nothing done
09:48 chris hdl_laptop: the french po file works fine
09:49 hdl_laptop chris will send a message to announce delay
09:50 chris make sure you say it was my fault
09:50 chris :)
09:51 hdl_laptop No.
09:51 hdl_laptop Some bugs are still quite disturbing the process :
09:51 hdl_laptop shelf browsing and moresearches + the one on reserves
09:51 Amit hi chris
09:53 ricardo hdl_laptop: For my part, I'll finish testing one of the bugs I submitted / followed up and closing it
09:53 Amit hdl_laptop: Duplicate insertion in syspref.sql in maintenance branch koha
09:53 hdl_laptop ok ricardo.
09:53 ricardo hdl_laptop: :)
09:53 chris ahh ok
09:54 hdl_laptop Amit : line pls ?
09:54 ricardo chris: If you get any problem with the PO file I sent you "yesterday", feel free to bug me
09:54 ricardo s/PO file/PO files
09:54 hdl_laptop ricardo: patch applied for NoZebra.
09:55 Amit hdl: line no  32
09:55 ricardo hdl_laptop: Very cool. Thank you very much!  :)
09:55 Amit i have already send a patch[…]tober/004718.html
09:58 Amit hdl_laptop: line number 32
09:59 chris will do ricardo :)
09:59 chris just about to test now
10:00 hdl_laptop ok thanks.
10:02 ricardo chris: Thanks  :)
10:03 chris works fine
10:03 ricardo chris: Cool, thanks
10:03 chris ok, pushed up
10:04 chris and now i think i will get some sleep, french, italian, and portuguese updated
10:04 chris tomorrow i have to set up albanian (wont make it for 3.0.4 obviously)
10:04 ricardo chris: Many thanks. Sleep well!  :)
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11:17 Bar Hello > I am having a nightmare with LDAP authentication. My site keeps updating the branchcode everytime a user logs in even though <update> is set to 0
11:17 Bar Can anyone help?
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11:26 hdl_laptop Bar: have you tried the latest Auth_with_ldap file ? Or is it an old version ?
11:26 hdl_laptop if ($borrowernumber) {
11:26 hdl_laptop if ($config{update}) { # A1, B1
11:26 hdl_laptop my $c2 = &update_local($local_userid,$pass​word,$borrowernumber,\%borrower) || '';
11:26 hdl_laptop ($cardnumber eq $c2) or warn "update_local returned cardnumber '$c2' instead of '$cardnumber'";
11:26 hdl_laptop } else { # C1, D1
11:26 hdl_laptop # maybe update just the password?
11:26 hdl_laptop }
11:26 hdl_laptop } elsif ($config{replicate}) { # A2, C2
11:26 hdl_laptop $borrowernumber = AddMember(%borrower) or die "AddMember failed";
11:26 hdl_laptop } else {
11:26 hdl_laptop return 0;   # B2, D2
11:26 hdl_laptop latest one has that kind of things.
11:26 Amit hi jdavidb
11:27 jdavidb Hi, Amit! :)
11:27 Amit hdl_laptop:  I m right
11:27 hdl_laptop hi jdavidb
11:27 jdavidb Howdy, hdl.  :)  How are things?
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11:38 Bar Not sure....I will take a look....apart from the code you posted, is there any way to check the version of the Auth_with_ldap file ?
11:42 hdl_laptop jdavidb: good how are you ?
11:42 hdl_laptop Bar: git log C4/
11:42 jdavidb Doing well.  :)  It's a lovely, cool fall morning here.
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11:45 hdl_laptop Bar: on a 3.0.x install you should have : d705a0394f27f8d6727c27a24408a65f5686c31a
11:49 Bar fatal: Not a git repository
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11:53 jdavidb Good morning, nengard! :)
11:53 nengard morning!
11:53 hdl_laptop Bar you are installing in standard mode ?
11:53 hdl_laptop hi nengard
11:55 Bar hdl_laptop> To be honest, I am not sure what that means! We have the system in place for about 6 months, Live and working well. It's only recently that we noticed this problem
11:56 Bar I am not sure if it has always been there, I would say it has
11:57 hdl_laptop Bar: /me always thinks he's talking to geeks on irc ;)
11:58 hdl_laptop latest version of should fix your problem
11:58 Bar sorry!! I am trying me best to get to that status though!
11:58 Bar Cool, can I just grab that, on it's own from somewhere?
11:59 hdl_laptop[…]554a2148;hb=3.0.x
11:59 hdl_laptop here
11:59 Bar Nice! I will let you know how it goes.
11:59 Amit hi nengard
12:00 chris_n howdy nengard
12:00 nengard hi all
12:01 jwagner Good morning all.
12:04 kf jwagner: good morning!
12:04 kf nengard: good morning! (should start reading from top)
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12:05 chris_n @coffee
12:05 munin chris_n: downloading the Perl source
12:06 * chris_n thinks we might write a plugin for munin to make coffee in the morning (local time of course)
12:06 jdavidb Ooo...that's a good idea, chris_n.
12:07 jdavidb Think we could coax in a cappuccino and hot chocolate add-on, too?
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12:07 chris_n or tea according to one's taste
12:07 chris_n jdavidb: excellent idea
12:07 kf nengard, jwagner: do you have some time to discuss holds management with me? Im not sure how to handle things at our library
12:07 jwagner Definitely add tea to the specs
12:08 nengard sure
12:08 jwagner kf, I can try, not sure I'm the best person.
12:08 nengard kf, i'm up for trying too - and if you have suggestions on how i can write the manual on it better - i'm up for that too
12:09 kf ok
12:09 kf first I will try to explain the situation
12:09 kf the library has closed stacks, so I have areas where the user cant go
12:10 kf the items should be not on loan but holdable
12:10 kf I have areas with free access too
12:10 kf and I have areas in closed stacks with item not for loan, but only for use in reading room
12:11 kf and on top of that: the library works with rfid and a self checkout system that is not as intelligent as a librarian at the desk would be
12:11 kf and thank you in advance for your time!
12:12 jwagner kf, not sure what the question is. Do you allow on-shelf holds?
12:13 kf we went with allow-on-shelf-holds on
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12:16 jwagner So the materials in your closed stacks can be placed on hold.  You should then be able to pull those items and check them out, correct?
12:18 kf yes this part works fine
12:18 kf but I dont understand how holds in free areas will work
12:18 kf or are supposed to work
12:19 jwagner They should work the same way -- someone places an on-shelf hold, it shows up on the holds to pull list, your staff get it from the shelves and trigger the hold.
12:19 kf after a hold is placed - can another patron check the items out?
12:20 kf after a title level hold is placed, can another item be checked out?
12:20 kf what happens when the patron pulls the book and its not pulled?
12:20 jwagner There is a syspref AllowHoldPolicyOverride that determines whether your staff are allowed to ignore the waiting hold on the item and check it out to another person.
12:20 kf self check machine :(
12:20 kf but normally it should not be possible for another patron to take the item?
12:20 kf after a hold is placed?
12:21 kf I think it should not be possible to check out a book where another patron placed a hold on
12:22 jwagner There's a difference between "hold is placed" and "hold is triggered" -- if a hold is triggered (by checking the item in), it shouldn't allow anyone else to check it out except the person with the hold.
12:22 kf and what influence has the build_holds_queue? for testing we have it runing every hour, but I think other libraries only twice a day?
12:23 kf ok, but this needs check in
12:23 kf so the patron has no guarantee that the book he placed a hold on will still be there, when he comes to get it
12:23 kf the library wanted to pull the items in the evening
12:23 kf 1/day
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12:24 kf I feel like I miss something important
12:24 kf :(
12:26 jwagner It's getting a little out of my level of understanding, too.  nengard?  What's a "standard" timing for the reports?
12:26 kf the question is, does the cron job has an effect on the hold?
12:26 nengard oops - sorry - got caught up fighting with web design - reading back now
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12:27 kf on the status or something? or is it just building the list
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12:28 nengard kf, okay i'm caught up and I think becuase of the self checkout machine you're going to have an issue
12:28 kf jwagner: how are holds working in your libraries? are there libraries using allowonshelfholds on?
12:29 nengard also - many libraries that i talk to do not allow on shelf holds
12:29 kf nengard: I had a feeling it might be a problem :(
12:29 nengard because i means too much work to keep up with it
12:29 kf yes, we fear that too
12:29 nengard as a patron I love when libraries allow me to place on shelf holds
12:29 kf but the only option I see for closed stacks is to loan all items to a staff user
12:29 nengard this sounds like something that we might need someone to develop an improvmeent for
12:29 kf as an alternative to onshelfholds on
12:30 kf problem: I need a work around now, because the library is in production
12:30 nengard hmmm
12:30 kf and we have not the resources for development or sponsoring right now
12:30 kf I think it wold help if allowonshelfholds would be more granular
12:31 kf per library or better location / collection / item type
12:31 nengard i hate to say it - but this is a function that I know has already been written - but not for Koha 3.0 or 3.2 - it's in LEK
12:31 owen Hi all
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12:31 nengard hiya owen
12:31 nengard do you have any tips for kf?
12:32 jwagner Some of our libraries allow on-shelf holds, and some don't.  We've been working with a lot of development on holds and circ rules, but this isn't one of them.  It sounds like it could be fixed by either checking the collection to a staff user as Nicole suggests or adding a setting to the location about whether on-shelf holds allowed for this location.
12:32 kf hi owen
12:32 nengard what kf needs is call slip functionality - to allow for call slips on closed stacks but not holds on onshelf items
12:32 nengard these are 2 diff things
12:33 nengard it's what we did in the seminary library i worked in
12:33 * chris_n greets owen
12:33 paul_p 'morning nengard, chris_n & owen
12:33 chris_n g'morning paul_p
12:34 jwagner Mumble many years ago, I did some research as a student in Library of Congress -- to request items from the stacks I had to fill out request slips & give them to staff.  That's what you're meaning by call slip functionality?
12:34 kf nengard: call slip functionality - will note that :) only know it as closed stacks request
12:34 nengard same thing :)
12:34 kf question is: how to do it with koha
12:35 nengard yes jwagner - except in an automated form
12:35 owen I had an early library job as the flunkie who pulls books from the stacks with those call slips
12:35 nengard kf - unfortunately I have no work around for you - no way I can think to do it with your system the way it is now :(
12:35 kf ok, what you say is: allowonshelfholds will allow users to check out books at the self check, even if there is a hold on them from another user
12:36 kf do you think it would work when we check out everything to a staff user?
12:36 kf and set allowonshelfholds to off?
12:36 jwagner If there is a _triggered_ hold, your self-check system should not allow that to be checked out.  Maybe an update to the SIP would fix that problem.
12:37 kf but the hold only get triggered when the item is checked in first, as I understand it
12:37 jwagner Correct, so staff may have to run the holds to pull report more frequently and checkin/trigger the holds.
12:37 kf we did some tests with ReservesNeedReturns - but I still dont get what this is supposed to do
12:38 kf at first glance I thought it would trigger the hodls without checking them in
12:38 nengard i'm not sure how checking items out to a staff member would make a difference
12:38 nengard how would you do that?
12:39 kf not sure, perhaps using the offline circ and a barcode list to check them out in batch
12:39 kf once they are checked out, we could set allowonshelfholds back to off and closed stack items could be placed on hold
12:40 kf would need another report - check for items with item type x with placed holds
12:40 nengard i guess what i meant was how would checking items out to the staff help with the closed stacks/call slip situation
12:40 kf I think this could work... but not sure about it
12:41 kf check them out to a "closed stacks staff member" to make them holdable
12:42 kf nengard: do you know how this works in LEK? perhaps we can steal some ideas from it
12:42 nengard i just know it's a function in it - not how it works
12:42 nengard sorry
12:43 nengard http://academic-staff.demo.koh[…]
12:43 nengard u/p liblime/liblime
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12:45 kf nengard: but thx, I did not know that its also called a call slip
12:45 kf so didnt even know what to ask and look for :)
12:45 nengard i'm sure it's called diff things in diff libraries ;)
12:46 owen Hmmm... LibLime could really use someone to go over their templates and clean them up for them.
12:46 jwagner I think long term the best fix might be setting on-shelf hold ability by location.  But a full "call slip" module would probably have a lot of uses too.
12:46 kf found it - its on circulation page above holds queue
12:46 kf by location would be graet, because no need for different libraries
12:46 jdavidb owen, isn't that something you used to do a lot of?  template cleanup and stuff?
12:47 kf (found it refers to LEK...)
12:47 owen jdavidb: Yeah, for some reason the LEK templates just aren't up to the standard set by the open source version of Koha. Strange.
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12:48 jdavidb Since they don't have your brilliance liberally seeded in there, owen, this comes as no particular surprise to me...
12:49 owen It's not brilliance, it's just many hands making light work
12:49 * kf nods
12:50 kf owen: I think you really do great work
12:50 jdavidb yah, but once the filename ends in .tmpl, yours is especially skilled, sir.    Thanks for all you do.
12:53 owen Hey, it beats sitting at home sorting Legos into different boxes according to color.
12:55 * nengard giggling at owen
12:57 kf jwagner, nengard: thx a lot for your insight. I will try with an enhancement request and perhaps we will have to go with checking out closed stacks to an virtual user
12:58 hdl_laptop kf: for 3.0.x, there are things that are comming regarding reserves allowed.
12:58 hdl_laptop by branch itemtype and categorycode
12:58 hdl_laptop sorry
12:58 kf I know you can limit them for itemtype/borrower category
12:59 hdl_laptop master
12:59 kf yes, but only the maximum number of requests per user
12:59 kf my problem is item status and requestability
12:59 hdl_laptop oh
12:59 hdl_laptop will read logs more carefully then
13:00 kf which is something that LEK seems possible of - but dont found out where its configured there... hm.
13:00 kf hdl_laptop: no - im glad you mentioned this - its just that I peeked at your test installation after the last IRC meeting
13:00 kf hdl_laptop: great new features for circ matrix!
13:01 kf a possibility to differentiate between items in closed stacks and items on shelf - closed stacks holdable - on shelf not holdable
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13:09 jdavidb nahuel:  ping?
13:09 nahuel pong
13:09 jdavidb your bug 3710 is something I'm working on lately; I've got a first-version of it about ready to release, and some enhancements in mind.
13:09 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3710 enhancement, P5, ---,, NEW, New script for recent acquisitions
13:10 jdavidb Do you already have a solution in mind, or want to hang tight for mine?  I'll be happy to take the ticket up.
13:10 nahuel I've done it, based on an hdl script
13:11 jdavidb :)  OK.  I may think up some enhancements, based on what our customers are clamoring for.
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13:13 nahuel hehe
13:13 nahuel perhaps it needs some improvments
13:13 nahuel It do too much sql queries as I like.
13:14 jdavidb Mine is based on bib add date, and allows dropping items of given types.  Right now, it's a toggle to show up on the front OPAC page, but I'm also working on a link on the banner, or the shelf-browser thing on the front page.
13:14 jdavidb Only does one SQL query.
13:15 hdl_laptop jdavidb: some of our customers prefers to rely on items timestamp.
13:15 hdl_laptop But you might want to see that
13:15 jdavidb I thought about a toggle to do that, too, but hadn't quite gotten there, as none of our requestors was specifically looking for that.
13:16 hdl_laptop nahuel will commit his work on
13:16 jdavidb All controlled in sysprefs, of course.  :)
13:16 hdl_laptop in a specific branch
13:16 hdl_laptop bug3710
13:16 hdl_laptop so you'll be able to take and test
13:17 jdavidb Thanks!  Going to send it out to head soon?  I'd love to collaborate with y'all on it, so that one really nice answer gets sent out.
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13:55 jwagner owen, online?
13:55 owen Yes
13:56 jwagner Any ideas on this one?  We're getting occasional search errors in the OPAC, referring to opac-tmpl/prog/en/lib/jquery/pl​ugins/jquery.highlight-3.js:38 and complaining that 'data' is null or not an object.
13:57 * nengard having a greater appreciation for owen as I fight with css
13:58 owen jquery.highlight-3.js is the jquery plugin for highlighting search terms
13:58 owen Since your errors are occasional, my guess is that something about the contents of the search results page is causing problems
13:59 owen Is there anything about the pages with errors that stands out as a possible commonality?
14:00 jwagner Not that I can see, but I'm not sure what I'd be looking for.  I tried turning off the OpacHighlightedWords syspref but the error still showed up.  What should I look for?
14:01 owen jwagner: Even with no search term highlighting you got the error?
14:01 kf OpacHighlightedWords does nothing, there is a bug for it
14:01 jwagner owen, correct.
14:02 owen jwagner: Given what kf says, I take it you get search term highlighting either way?
14:02 kf bug 3589
14:02 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3589 normal, P5, ---,, NEW, OpacHighlightedWords sys pref does nothing
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14:03 kf i know that there is a mistake in term highlighting connected to our 880 display - I hope I can send a patch for that soon, but it should not lead to an error, its just highlighting to much atm
14:05 jwagner owen, looking at the OPAC page source with firebug I see several complaints about start and end tags -- they seem to be related to the enhanced content (Syndetics in this case).  Any relevance?
14:05 owen jwagner: It's possible I suppose.
14:06 owen The term highlighting plugin has to parse the data on the page in order to's possible that it's choking on bad markup I guess
14:06 owen Does the problem go away if you turn off Syndetics content?
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14:08 jwagner Just tried that -- no, problem is still there.
14:08 jwagner So while there could be some cleanup on the enhanced content HTML, that doesn't seem to be the problem.
14:10 ricardo Uh-oh...
14:10 ricardo [10498.525663] Out of memory: kill process 3671 (apache2) score 413646 or a child
14:10 ricardo [10498.525726] Killed process 4730 (
14:10 ricardo [10892.806203] Out of memory: kill process 3671 (apache2) score 407414 or a child
14:10 ricardo [10892.806264] Killed process 4735 (
14:11 ricardo Debugging time  :(
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14:15 owen jwagner: Any other thoughts about what might be different for the pages which are showing the error?
14:16 jwagner Just tried an experiment -- in opac-results.tmpl I commented out the call to <script type="text/javascript" src="<!-- TMPL_VAR name="themelang" -->/lib/jquery/plugins/jquer​y.highlight-3.js"></script>
14:16 jwagner With that removed, the error goes away.  But I don't know the implications of removing that.
14:17 owen If you remove that you get no search term highlighting
14:18 jwagner But according to kf, the highlighting isn't working now anyway.  Any other implications?
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14:22 jwagner I looked on another system (updated Koha), and the jquery.highlight-3.js script is datestamped 2009-09-23.  Maybe something changed in that version?
14:23 Bar hdl_laptop: are you around? I updated the file to the new one and now no user can login!! The following error is appearing in the error_log:
14:24 Bar LDAP Auth rejected : invalid password for user 'usertest'. LDAP error #16: LDAP_NO_SUCH_ATTRIBUTE, referer:
14:24 Bar changing back to the old pm file restores connectivity but the update problem remains
14:24 owen jwagner: It's not that search term highlighting isn't working, it's that the preference to turn it on and off isn't working
14:24 owen It works fine for me without errors
14:25 jwagner Hmmmm.....
14:28 owen jwagner: Would you like me to do a test? Do 'view-source' on the search results page and send me the HTML.
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14:31 jwagner owen, it's on the way.
14:47 jwagner Looking at a system which is a somewhat earlier version of Koha, at there is a check for  OpacHighlightedWords in C4/  That check is missing by Koha version
14:49 owen I think that's correct...because the term highlighting used to happen in the script, and now it's handled by the jquery plugin.
14:49 jwagner Darn.  Another good theory shot down....
14:50 owen It sounds like the check for OpacHighlightedWords just never got moved to the template
14:51 owen jwagner: I'm trying the HTML you sent me, and the first thing I'm wondering is if you get the same error without the site-specific customizations (opacheader, opacuserjs, etc)
14:54 jwagner In the general vicinity of lines 284-301?  Yes.  There are some problems with what they want to use in those blocks.  However, I don't think they're related to the jquery error -- we get the same error on a different system.
14:55 owen Okay, I just wanted to make sure you've tried eliminating those variables
14:57 owen jwagner: Other search results pages from that same install don't show the error?
14:57 chris_n gmcharlt: tnx for pushing that
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14:59 jwagner owen, not sure what you mean.  It's intermittent for most systems.  I can always provoke the error by doing a particular set of steps in a development branch we're working with, so that's how I've been testing.
15:00 owen One key to finding the problem might be to find out what makes it intermittent: what is different on the pages with the error compared to the pages which don't have the error.
15:00 owen If two search results screen from the same system do and do not have the error, then you've got a good place to start looking
15:06 jwagner AHA!  I did a diff between the page I sent you and the same search that doesn't get the error.  The page giving the error has a space in front of the search term, like var query_desc = " seasons";
15:06 jwagner If I manually do a search for space seasons, it provokes the error.
15:07 owen Yup, I get the same on my install (except Firefox won't even process the script and show me an error--it just crashes)
15:07 jwagner There are a bunch of other differences that I'll have to look at, but that seems to be the most likely culprit.
15:10 jwagner So somewhere there needs to be a check for leading (and trailing?) spaces on a search term.  Where's the best place for that?
15:11 owen Nope, it's all jquery--all client-side. So the template.
15:11 owen q_array = query_desc.split(" ");
15:12 owen Actually, just above that
15:13 owen Line 164 of opac-results.tmpl
15:13 owen var query_desc = "<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="query_desc" ESCAPE="JS"-->";
15:13 owen So maybe trimming it in would work
15:14 owen I guess it could go either way, but doing so in the script would probably be more efficient
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15:35 owen Anyone here done a dev install on Ubuntu?
15:36 jdavidb Once, Owen.
15:36 jwagner owen, I think I've found the right place in, and added a trim for leading & trailing spaces.  Seems to fix the problem.  I'll send a patch.  Thanks for troubleshooting!
15:37 owen jdavidb: I'm wondering if I should be looking more at the Ubuntu install guide ([…]ide_ubuntu_hardy) or INSTALL.debian
15:37 kf owen: yes
15:37 owen jwagner: You bet. I'm glad we tracked it down. It was just a fluke that no one had noticed that problem before.
15:38 jdavidb I was doing an install on Easy Peasy, which is Hardy-on-a-diet.  I used the hardy installl guide.
15:38 owen kf: yes to which?
15:38 jdavidb I don't recall any big trouble with it.
15:38 kf kf: dev install on ubuntu - sorry
15:39 kf kf = owen (will never learn...)
15:39 brendan @wunder 93117
15:39 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 17.6�C (8:36 AM PDT on October 14, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Rising). Flash Flood Watch in effect for the recent burn areas until 11 am PDT this morning...
15:41 kf owen: I think I used more than one manual, but it was not so difficult
15:42 owen For all my experience with Koha, I'm a newbie at installing.
15:42 owen The Ubuntu guide refers specifically to installing from the tarball, but those instructions should work just the same if I've cloned a git repo?
15:43 jdavidb Installation isn't hard, owen.  Once you've done it a couple of times, you can knock 'em out in minutes.
15:43 jdavidb I used the debian method when I got to that part...pretty much the same, by that time.
15:44 owen One thing I noticed in the Debian guide: Test your SAX Parser and correct where necessary
15:44 wizzyrea every time I've installed on ubuntu, I've used install.debian
15:44 jdavidb I usually have to do that, on new hardware.  Installing all the packages mungs up the SAX parser.
15:44 wizzyrea yes, I have the same experience, jdavidb
15:44 owen When I "$ misc/ " I get "Looks bad, check INSTALL.*"
15:46 jwagner owen, bug 3711 FYI.
15:46 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3711 major, PATCH-Sent, ---,, ASSIGNED, Intermittent search error in OPAC
15:58 owen Hmm... Can't seem to install DBD::mysql
15:58 owen "Warning (usually harmless): 'YAML' not installed, will not store persistent state"
15:58 owen "Can't exec "mysql_config": No such file or directory at Makefile.PL line 82."
15:59 jdavidb Under older versions, I recall having to do force install DBD:mysql, I think.
16:00 owen "'/usr/bin/perl Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=site' returned status 512, won't make
16:00 owen Running make test"
16:04 owen Any suggestions?
16:05 Colin owen: the mysql_config error looks like it cant find the mysql libraries
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16:06 ricardo_laptop Hi all
16:06 ricardo_laptop Very weird git problem: I'm NOT getting a commit of a file that's been commited
16:07 ricardo_laptop specifically
16:07 ricardo_laptop[…]56fd18eb;hb=3.0.x
16:07 ricardo_laptop (I'm missing the commit from Galen Charlton, dated 2009-0-26 for that 3.0.x branch)
16:07 ricardo_laptop The commit does appear for me in the MASTER branch
16:08 ricardo_laptop Any ideas / comments  / further input that I must provide to help troubleshoot this?  :-S
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16:22 owen Okay, so "Cannot find the file 'mysql_config'! Your execution PATH doesn't seem not contain the path to mysql_config"
16:22 owen How can I correct it?
16:23 owen What and where is "mysql_config"?
16:25 ricardo_laptop owen: Could it be the "my.cnf" file ?
16:25 kf owen: hm, did not get this error during my install - just installed mysql and created database as explained in the manual
16:26 kf owen: changed sudo vi /etc/mysql/my.cnf for utf8
16:26 ricardo_laptop (Back to my problem... The same commit from Galen Charlton is missing from the Koha git mirror :
16:26 ricardo_laptop[…]=refs/heads/3.0.x
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16:27 ricardo_laptop Never mind this last sentence... Was seeing the wrong file
16:29 kf ok, time to leave work - bye #koha :)
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16:30 Colin owen how did you install mysql and were the -devel files installed?
16:33 ricardo_laptop @later tell hdl_laptop Hi Henri. Could you please cherry-pick this commit from Galen Charlton (dated 2009-05-26) for the "unimarc_field_128a.tmpl" file to the 3.0.x branch -[…]dff390af7bc8ca84c  ?
16:33 munin ricardo_laptop: The operation succeeded.
16:33 hdl_laptop ricardo_laptop: will do right now
16:33 ricardo_laptop hdl_laptop: Hi! Thanks a lot  :)  I think I have another one similar... Will check it right now
16:35 ricardo_laptop (Locating "acqui-search-result.tmpl" file...)
16:36 hdl_laptop 94abcf6d9879df156cfe31e5630bb389130cdd87 ?
16:38 hdl_laptop going out for "shopping" now.
16:38 hdl_laptop will read the logs
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16:40 hdl_laptop ricardo_laptop: pushed for unimarc_field_128a.tmpl
16:41 ricardo_laptop hdl_laptop: Actually, in the case of "aqui-search-tmpl", it's not a case of a missing "cherry pick". A small patch for "acqui-search-tmpl" would be necessary...
16:41 ricardo_laptop hdl_laptop: I think there's a missing "</div>" for the "aqui-search-result.tmpl" file ... Would have to study it further
16:41 ricardo_laptop hdl_laptop: OK. Thanks for pushing unimarc_field_128a.tmpl  :)
16:42 ricardo_laptop ( I found these problems by finding "too confused to show details" in the output of  "./ pt-PT" )
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16:49 ColinC Owen: mysql_config is a binary that can be used to see how the mysql libraries were compiled and the options to pass the compiler and linker when building a binary
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17:02 ricardo_laptop Gotta go. See ya!
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18:05 cait good evening #koha
18:06 ricardo Good evening cait!
18:07 cait hi ricardo
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18:16 * chris_n greets cait
18:16 jdavidb Good evening, cait.  :)
18:19 cait hi chris_n and jdavidb
18:21 brendan @seen chris
18:21 munin brendan: chris was last seen in #koha 8 hours, 17 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <chris> tomorrow i have to set up albanian (wont make it for 3.0.4 obviously)
18:22 chris morning
18:22 * chris is back in wellington and getting ready for work
18:22 owen Hi chris
18:23 brendan hi chris
18:23 chris_n 'morning chris
18:23 jdavidb Hi, chris!
18:23 brendan @seen chris
18:23 munin brendan: chris was last seen in #koha 40 seconds ago: * chris is back in wellington and getting ready for work
18:23 chris_n @wunder 28334
18:23 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 12.0�C (1:59 PM EDT on October 14, 2009). Conditions: Drizzle. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
18:23 brendan yeah!
18:25 cait hi chris
18:25 cait @wunder Konstanz
18:25 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 4.0�C (8:00 PM CEST on October 14, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.35 in 1028 hPa (Rising).
18:25 jdavidb @wunder 20852
18:25 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Flower Valley, Rockville, Maryland is 9.8�C (2:22 PM EDT on October 14, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Rising).
18:25 brendan @wunder 93117
18:25 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.0�C (11:21 AM PDT on October 14, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017.5 hPa (Rising). Flash Flood Watch in effect for the recent burn areas until 11 am PDT this morning...
18:25 cait its getting cold here :(
18:26 jdavidb It's been very chilly here today.  I finally had to get my coat out yesterday, first time this fall.
18:26 chris @wunder wellington, nz
18:26 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0�C (7:00 AM NZDT on October 15, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
18:27 * chris_n shakes his fist at Level 3
18:27 joetho @wunder topeka, ks
18:27 munin joetho: The current temperature in Near Washburn University, Topeka, Kansas is 7.8�C (1:16 PM CDT on October 14, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Falling).
18:28 cait jdavidb: first cold day here too, will need gloves now for ride to work by bike
18:28 joetho wow no sun anywhere on the planet
18:28 joetho @wunder st tropez
18:28 munin joetho: Error: No such location could be found.
18:28 joetho figures
18:29 jdavidb @wunder Nassau, bahamas
18:29 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Nassau Airport, Bahamas is 32.0�C (2:00 PM EDT on October 14, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa.
18:29 joetho see? cloudy/
18:29 jdavidb @wunder cabo san lucas, MX
18:29 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in San Jose del Cabo, Mexico is 27.0�C (11:42 AM MDT on October 14, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 25.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
18:29 jdavidb Dang!
18:29 joetho give it up
18:29 joetho @wunder anchorage, ak
18:29 munin joetho: The current temperature in The Spurlocks at Airport Heights, Anchorage, Alaska is 7.8�C (10:29 AM AKDT on October 14, 2009). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.52 in 999.5 hPa (Steady).
18:30 * chris_n wonders why data centers can advertise multiple links to the backbone as a selling point and then suffer a complete outage with one router overload :-\
18:30 joetho @wunder honolulu, ha
18:30 munin joetho: The current temperature in Wilhelmina Rise, Honolulu, Hawaii is 24.2�C (8:29 AM HST on October 14, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Rising).
18:31 joetho I worked with a small library network that had fiber connecting each lib, in several different towns, with a 10bT ethernet hub at the end of each fiber run
18:32 joetho they wondered why so slow
18:32 joetho I wondered who designed it
18:33 chris_n heh
18:33 chris_n this outage is on Level 3's network... they are "supposed" to be highly reliable
18:34 chris_n our streaming provider moved to them a month ago which was supposed to "improve" their uptime (which really is near 99.9%)
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18:34 chris_n but it's not when your up that really matters, its when you're down
18:42 ricardo Going home now ppl. Take care!
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18:55 chris ok, time to catch a bus
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19:34 chris_n wow, it must be quitting time ;-)
19:35 cait im still here ;)
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19:38 richard hi
19:39 chris_n hello richard
19:41 * owen is ready for quitting time, but not quite there yet
19:41 chris back
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19:43 chris_n does anyone have an opinion on Catalyst?
19:43 chris_n the pm that is
19:47 cait pm?
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19:48 owen Okay guys, I'm back to worrying about this "Can't exec "mysql_config": No such file or directory at Makefile.PL line 82." when trying to install DBD::mysql
19:48 owen I'm in the dark
19:49 chris_n cait: cpan module
19:49 cait chris_n: thx!
19:50 * chris_n looks at owen 's issue
19:51 chris_n owen: what ver of koha?
19:51 chris_n line 82 is POD in the current version of Makefile.PL
19:51 owen I'm trying to do a dev install from git on Ubuntu
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19:52 owen I'm following the instructions in INSTALL.ubuntu to install DBD::mysql
19:52 chris_n ahh... the Makefile.PL for DBD::mysql
19:52 cait owen: not sure how I installed it, isnt it available via apt-get?
19:53 chris_n cait is right; owen try sudo apt-get install libdbd-mysql-perl
19:54 cait owen: I think this should work
19:55 owen Hm, okay, that worked fine. What do I know, I'm just reading the instructions! :)
19:55 * chris_n will have to talk with the person who mocked up that INSTALL.ubuntu file ;-)
19:56 chris_n owen: on debian and ubuntu it is generally preferable to use the package maintainer's version rather than the cpan version if possible
19:57 chris_n gotta run, bbl
19:57 hdl_laptop cait: can you announce ballot for Koha on german speaking list ?
19:58 hdl_laptop @later tell ricardo can you announce Koha ballot for organisation on portuguese lists ?
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19:59 cait ah sorry, did not check my work mail yet
19:59 cait hdl: what do I need to do, just forward or translate?
19:59 hdl_laptop @later tell ricardo there are two lists, koha-br and koha-pt
19:59 munin hdl_laptop: The operation succeeded.
19:59 hdl_laptop cait: translate and forward,
20:00 hdl_laptop if the list is read.
20:01 hdl_laptop and it seems it is (from archive ;) )
20:01 cait I m not sure how many subscribers the list has, but the people I know are reading Koha and koha-devel too i think
20:01 cait anyway: will do it tomorrow if this is ok
20:01 hdl_laptop no problem ppl have until 25th October
20:01 cait ok :)
20:02 hdl_laptop many thx cait
20:02 cait thank me once its done :)
20:08 hdl_laptop owen you need to install mysql-devel in order to have mysql_config
20:08 owen hdl_laptop: Yes, apt-get install libdbd-mysql-perl worked.
20:09 hdl_laptop coming too late, sorry
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20:16 pianohacker hello
20:16 chris heya pianohacker
20:17 pianohacker hi chris
20:17 pianohacker how's it going?
20:17 cait hi pianohacker
20:17 pianohacker hi cait_sans_laptop
20:18 cait in fact its the other laptop today :)
20:18 pianohacker ha, okay. what are you up to?
20:19 cait watching torchwood right now :)
20:20 chris
20:21 chris irma presenting on koha
20:21 nicomo hey, is Irma from Belgium?
20:21 chris originally yes
20:22 pianohacker nicomo: how did you guess
20:22 pianohacker ??
20:22 chris she translated my speech when i spoke at kohacon in paris
20:22 nicomo pianohacker: well it's more or less written on the page
20:23 nicomo Irma has been a champion of libraries since her late teens when she set up and managed for 3 years, a community library in her district in Belgium.
20:23 chris :)
20:23 pianohacker right, of course. evidently, I sustained a brain injury at the same time
20:24 nicomo eh eh
20:24 chris hehe
20:24 nicomo and she's got a nice little accent in english too
20:24 chris heh
20:26 nicomo well, with that, I'm off to bed
20:27 pianohacker good night
20:27 brendan night nicomo
20:27 nicomo bye all, have a nice day
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20:27 brendan hey pianohacker
20:27 brendan @wunder 93117
20:27 pianohacker hi brendan
20:27 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 19.9�C (1:22 PM PDT on October 14, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Steady).
20:27 pianohacker looks like you could have swum to work today :)
20:28 pianohacker @wunder 81212
20:28 munin pianohacker: The current temperature in Franklin Ave - Downtown, Canon City, Colorado is 24.1�C (2:25 PM MDT on October 14, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 26%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Falling).
20:30 brendan yeah my back yard has a lot of water in it
20:30 brendan or on it
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20:47 cait good night #koha :)
20:47 brendan night
20:47 pianohacker good night, cait
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20:58 hdl_laptop night
20:59 pianohacker good night, hdl
20:59 pianohacker @wunder wellington, nz
20:59 munin pianohacker: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0�C (9:00 AM NZDT on October 15, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
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21:15 Agalloch I installed the lastest stable version of koha on ubuntu server and have been playing around a bit. For some reason, none of my authority searches seem to be working but everything else is. I rebuilt the indexes a couple times...
21:15 pianohacker Agalloch: are you making sure to run rebuild_(no) with the -a flag?
21:15 Agalloch yes
21:16 pianohacker okay. are you using zebra, or no zebra?
21:16 Agalloch zebra
21:17 pianohacker ok then, it should be working. does anything pop up in your error logs when you search?
21:18 Agalloch I found this page when googling around[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3072 and tried changing Heading-Main to Heading and rebuilt the indexes again and still no luck.
21:18 munin Bug 3072: major, P5, ---,, NEW, 'Heading-Main' authority-index breaks authority searching in STABLE
21:18 Agalloch Should I change it back to Heading-Main?
21:19 pianohacker Maybe. It's possible that something else is broken, though
21:20 Agalloch 14:18:55-14/10 zebrasrv(3) [request] Search authorities OK 0 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @or @attr "1=Heading" @attr 7=1 0 @attr 2=103 @attr "1=_ALLRECORDS" ''
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21:20 Agalloch wait that wasnt an error was it
21:21 pianohacker doesn't look like it, but zebra can be a bit crypticc
21:21 pianohacker are these imported records, or ones added from within koha?
21:21 Agalloch imported
21:22 Agalloch i guess i only get an error when i do a specific search. i was getting error 109. either way i get no results though
21:23 pianohacker hmm. could you try running rebuild_zebra from scratch with the -v flag and pasting the results to ?
21:23 Agalloch can i do it while zebra is running?
21:26 pianohacker yes.
21:29 Agalloch where will it output to? the screen or some log file?
21:29 pianohacker the screen
21:32 Agalloch ok it's chugging along
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22:36 pianohacker that's interesting, it lists no indexed authority records
22:36 chris Records exported: 0
22:37 chris its like you have no authorities
22:37 pianohacker Agalloch: you did import them through, right?
22:38 Agalloch I imported records. Are the authorities imported separately?
22:38 pianohacker ahh, yes they are.
22:38 Agalloch I guess that would be my problem
22:39 pianohacker hmm, I assume you want it to create authority records automatically. I don't know if it can or should do that.
22:39 pianohacker I know it can do that for new records entered manually, but not sure about imported records
22:39 Agalloch I dont think our old system will export them
22:40 pianohacker Agalloch: what's the system?
22:40 Agalloch Pretty much the worst one I've ever seen. Spectrum Winnebago
22:41 pianohacker I've heard stories about winnebago.
22:41 pianohacker you might try asking for help exporting authorities from winnebago on the list
22:41 Agalloch on the koha list?
22:41 pianohacker yes
22:42 chris yeah there are few libraries who have come from winnebago
22:42 Agalloch Do you have a link to the list handy?
22:43 chris
22:43 pianohacker Agalloch: also, take a look at[…]jects/koha-tools/

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